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Halloween Week: 1969 Berkshire UFO Incidents · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome today two of the third annual Halloween Week with
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  Speaker 1: Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko, and I have
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  Speaker 1: returned from the land of the Spirits to join you
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  Speaker 1: once again as you're devoted MC an unlikely haunted object
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  Speaker 1: played host to the seemingly evil entities that was the
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  Speaker 1: topic at hand for the first episode this year, and
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  Speaker 1: there are many more terrifying tales to come. I do
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  Speaker 1: know that they have prepared a particularly interesting case today,
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  Speaker 1: one that deals in experiences from beyond the stars. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is not just terrifying, It's going to be otherworldly.
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  Speaker 1: But what really makes this story so special is the
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  Speaker 1: amount of eyewitnesses involved. It's not just a single person
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  Speaker 1: with a single claim, but it's multiple strangers and neighbors
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  Speaker 1: corroborating each other's claims and experiences. Now let us hear
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  Speaker 1: the story from your illustrious hosts, Ladies, gentlemen, vays and
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  Speaker 1: them's I present to you the hosts of Halloween Week
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  Speaker 1: and Wicked and Grim, Ben and Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Jacko very much. Ah, that was awesome. I
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  Speaker 2: am having a blast with Halloween Week. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about you. I mean, I'm working my ass off knocking
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but I'm having a blast at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it's a fun week. There's no
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  Speaker 3: way that it can.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard, but it's there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: It's not fun. Oh well, I was telling you, what
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  Speaker 2: was it yesterday that it's the second Halloween week. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: it was this morning. Actually, the second Halloween week kicked in.
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  Speaker 2: That's Halloween for me. Now, those seven days are Halloween,
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  Speaker 2: not just like the trick of treat Halloween Day.
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  Speaker 3: You have seven seven days of your favorite holiday. Now, yes,
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  Speaker 3: well it's it's a celebrationbration. You don't get like a
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  Speaker 3: day off.
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  Speaker 2: Work or any Yeah, it's not a stat holiday, but
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  Speaker 2: it's still a recognized celebration.
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  Speaker 3: I guess today I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it should be a stat in all honesty,
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  Speaker 2: it really should. Why not, I don't know, talk to
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  Speaker 2: the government. Why the fuck not. Halloween should be a
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  Speaker 2: stat We should get it paid off. In fact, everyone
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  Speaker 2: should get candy from the government. Oh yeah, fucking taxes.
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  Speaker 3: Holy now, you're talking right.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it should be for the entire week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I think.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it. Okay, we'll start a campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, email your local MP. Get this going. Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk just briefly on your your story yesterday
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  Speaker 2: the haunted bunk bed. Someone in our Patreon chat brought
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  Speaker 2: something up regarding that, Oh did they they did?
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  Speaker 3: What was it?
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  Speaker 2: So? You know how you said that it was like
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  Speaker 2: kind of like these potential burial grounds by the home.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe I was saying, like, well, what if the
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  Speaker 2: bed was like kind of like an antenna for those
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  Speaker 2: like spirits or entities? Right? Yeah, someone in Patreon mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: well what if because in my mind I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: the bed was metal. Clearly they're thinking it's wooden it
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  Speaker 2: is would okay? What if the bed was used making
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  Speaker 2: wood from the plot of land nearby?
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I missed. I must have missed that comment
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  Speaker 3: or that email or whatever, and there I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in the little like chat thing we
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  Speaker 2: got going on there.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, that the wood used to build the bed
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  Speaker 3: came from that land.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh what if that's the case? Wow? And then
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  Speaker 2: what if when because you said they burnt it or
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  Speaker 2: buried it or whatever, what if they then returned it
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  Speaker 2: back to a similar plot on that land and the
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  Speaker 2: spirits were then at rest. What if that's the fucking case.
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  Speaker 3: Huh yeah, because they did. They did go about destroying
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  Speaker 3: it right, and it can never happened to someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, their thoughts. So I've been thinking about that way
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  Speaker 2: too much today.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Well, yeah, you never mentioned that to me. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Because I wanted to mention it here on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want you to have preparation time.
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  Speaker 3: See, it's always interesting just getting other people's takes and
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  Speaker 3: stuff on the cases right and their thoughts. I like it,
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  Speaker 3: it is, yeah, and now I can't think. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: like whoa, my mind is blown.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild. If you guys want to go join the
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  Speaker 2: Patreon chat, you can sign up for Patreon. Our link
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  Speaker 2: is down below. But I'm going to get on with
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  Speaker 2: today's case. If you're ready for I'm ready. So. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you are well versed in much UFO
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  Speaker 2: incidences or cases or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: Not really, okay, I.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't really think so. Well, many UFO incidences involve generally
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  Speaker 2: one or two people driving in a car on a lone, dirt,
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  Speaker 2: windy road at night sort of situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am aware of that, at least.
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  Speaker 2: Affair Betty and Barney Hill are prime example. You know,
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  Speaker 2: individuals are late out at late at night, experience something
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  Speaker 2: very strange, very otherworldly, such as you know, bright lights
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  Speaker 2: or who knows what else. But next thing they know,
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  Speaker 2: they find themselves back where they started in their vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: and they lose time, like it's like all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: a blink of bright light and a few hours have passed.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of things.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be such an odd feeling, wouldn't it very unsettling?
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to move on from that.
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  Speaker 2: I'd piss. To quote Nicole from like months.
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  Speaker 3: Ago, I'd piss.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Usually as the time passes, they do remember a
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  Speaker 2: little bit much more, you know, some memories begin to
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  Speaker 2: emerge in this sort of thing. And the problem is, though,
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  Speaker 2: how can they tell anyone that happened what happened without
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  Speaker 2: sounding like they're mad? Because, I mean, hey, we were alone,
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  Speaker 2: this crazy thing happened that most people think is a
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  Speaker 2: complete farce. Yeah, and we have no evidence for it,
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  Speaker 2: nothing backing it up. Yeah, So without anything backing it up,
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  Speaker 2: it's a story. And it's just that it's a story,
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  Speaker 2: nothing more.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's like that with a lot of our cases.
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  Speaker 3: Even Yesterday's right, that's true. How someone is very far
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  Speaker 3: fetched for someone to believe that a bunk bit is
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  Speaker 3: haunted exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean this is a problem that plagues a
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  Speaker 2: lot of paranormal events, and especially in the world of
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  Speaker 2: UFO encounters, because that's what I'm talking about today. You know,
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  Speaker 2: someone experiences something, it's an extraordinary claim, but they can't
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  Speaker 2: do anything about it because hey, where's the proof. Now,
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  Speaker 2: today's story does have many similarities into that, like stereotypical
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  Speaker 2: UFO sort of situation, long windy road car, people at night,
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  Speaker 2: bright lights, et cetera. However, there is a major glaring
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  Speaker 2: difference in this case. There's more than one person. There's
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  Speaker 2: more than just a car full of people. There are
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  Speaker 2: many people who can back up exactly what other people
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  Speaker 2: are claiming happened that night. Okay, yes, so these people
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  Speaker 2: are saying this happened to me, someone else is like,
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  Speaker 2: I saw it happen to them, Oh wow. And someone
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  Speaker 2: else is like, that happened to me so and so
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  Speaker 2: miles away in this town, Okay, and I saw that
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  Speaker 2: from across this ridge over here.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm wondering if it's maybe something I've.
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  Speaker 2: Heard of surprisingly. I doubt it. Maybe maybe because it
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  Speaker 2: actually was covered and I do have it kind of
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  Speaker 2: written down in a script sort of thing. It was
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  Speaker 2: covered in the recent Netflix series The Rebirth of Unsolved Mysteries.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it is in the first season of
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  Speaker 2: the Rebirth of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix. But other than that,
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of a relatively unknown story. Even in
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  Speaker 2: the UFO world. It wasn't really that known. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: kind of dive into why a little bit later. Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I do want to start with asking a question
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  Speaker 2: before we really dive into the meat and potatoes in
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  Speaker 2: this case, do you believe an intelligent life visiting us
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  Speaker 2: on Earth?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: You do?
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  Speaker 3: I do?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So this and if you guys are out
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  Speaker 2: there listening to this, I want you to answer to
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  Speaker 2: yourself as well. Do you believe in intelligent life visiting
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  Speaker 2: us here on Earth? Now? The next question? If not,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean if so, the question applies ways, then
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  Speaker 2: what are these UFOs that are being cited around the world.
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  Speaker 2: If you believe we are being visited by intelligent life?
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  Speaker 2: What are these UFOs? Are they crafts of beings? Are
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  Speaker 2: they parallel dimensions? Are they from another world, another universe.
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  Speaker 2: What are they? Where are they from? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, well that I don't know what it's. I
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  Speaker 3: would say it's their form of aircrafts okay, from a
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  Speaker 3: lot of seems you think another planet, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: even necessarily know it's planet. Maybe I go with universe.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose there are theories of other dimensions being like
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  Speaker 2: beings from other dimensions actually visiting us. Tough, So I
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  Speaker 2: mean there's no knowing. There's only theories out there, really,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean it is possible.
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  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, too, because we know a
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  Speaker 3: lot about like the planets that are around us, right
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  Speaker 3: we do. Yeah, So yeah, I'm gonna go with another universe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it could be another galaxy, oh gosh, because it
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  Speaker 2: goes like planet Solar System galaxy, I think, then Nebula,
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  Speaker 2: then universe.
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  Speaker 3: Oh shit, Okay, one of those, Okay, somewhere out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this story is the story of the nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 2: nine Berkshire UFO incident. Okay. Now, in the picturesque landscape
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  Speaker 2: of the Berkshires, which is a rural region nestled in
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  Speaker 2: the western Massachusetts area. It's the Berkshires County. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a collection of different small little towns Okay, and many
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  Speaker 2: of the small towns are not far apart, only a
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  Speaker 2: few miles from one town to the next sort of situation.
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  Speaker 2: So the area has nature enthusiasts and hikers flocked to
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  Speaker 2: its expansive wilderness, making a sought aft destiny destination for
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  Speaker 2: the summers and everything, especially during the summer months when
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  Speaker 2: it's super nice in the fall with the nice, nice
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  Speaker 2: colors and the leaves and all this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: All these small queens little towns. It's beautiful apparently, so
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  Speaker 2: I kind of want to go there one day. But
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  Speaker 2: the year was nineteen sixty nine and Massachusetts and the
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  Speaker 2: Berkinshire County was kind of plunged into a state of
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  Speaker 2: high hysteria when numerous residents reported witnessing an unidentified flying
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  Speaker 2: object or a UFO, which actually believe they call it
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  Speaker 2: something different. Now it's not a UFO, it's something else,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm going to keep going with UFO because it's
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  Speaker 2: still universal at this point. This extraordinary sighting not only
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  Speaker 2: gripped the local community, but also captured imaginations on people
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  Speaker 2: throughout the United States. The frenzy actually eventually reached such
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  Speaker 2: heights that in Roswell, New Mexico, a replica of the
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  Speaker 2: purported spacecraft was put on display in the International UFO Museum.
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  Speaker 3: Oh really, hey, yes, so there was that many reports
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  Speaker 3: and that many sightings that they were able to actually
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  Speaker 3: come up with a replica of it.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently. Wow, okay, I kind of want to.
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  Speaker 3: Go there, and well, yeah, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it all started on the fateful evening of
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  Speaker 2: September first, and of course, as I already said like
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  Speaker 2: two times nineteen sixty nine, the town of Sheffield, nestled
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  Speaker 2: in the southern Berkshire area, was bathed bathed in a
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  Speaker 2: very hot, sunny September day, but the sun was setting
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  Speaker 2: and soon it would be replaced with a very different
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  Speaker 2: light in the sky. There are several individuals who admit
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  Speaker 2: to witnessing this UFO or its unusual lights that night,
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  Speaker 2: but one of the most notable eyewitnesses of them all
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  Speaker 2: was an individual by the name of Thomas Reid. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Thomas goes by the name of Tom generally speaking, but
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  Speaker 2: there are three Toms in this story, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to call him Thomas. Okay, Yeah, So Thomas is who
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about here. So his incident unfolded near the
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  Speaker 2: old covered bridge in Sheffield. Now, according to Thomas, he
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  Speaker 2: vividly remembers the UFO encounter from his childhood. He was
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  Speaker 2: just nine years old at this time on that September
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  Speaker 2: day and his family was driving back home from their
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  Speaker 2: restaurant named Village of the Green and Thomas, his mother, grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: and brother were all in the car at the time.
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  Speaker 2: As they made their way down the empty road, Thomas
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  Speaker 2: was occupying himself by giving his brother a small little
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  Speaker 2: fireball candy in the back seat. His grandma had just
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  Speaker 2: turned around to tell him not to give his younger
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  Speaker 2: brother this candy. He's still too young. He can choke right.
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  Speaker 2: And just as she had turned round in her seat
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  Speaker 2: to deliver this message to little Thomas, a very strange,
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  Speaker 2: massive glowing light peeked out from behind the dense trees
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  Speaker 2: over towards.
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  Speaker 3: The River oh Man.
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  Speaker 2: The luminous lights spilled out as they crossed the covered
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  Speaker 2: Sheffield Bridge, casting another worldly glow on the surroundings. Perplexed
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  Speaker 2: the family observed the peculiar phenomenon, Thomas recalled in an
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  Speaker 2: interview on Unsolved Mysteries quote it was a self contained glow,
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  Speaker 2: rising slightly. It seemed to follow the dirt road visible
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  Speaker 2: through the trees. The light became more intense as we
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  Speaker 2: reached a clearing, flooding the inside of the car.
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  Speaker 3: So that's like pretty intense, like a strong ass light.
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  Speaker 2: Oh very much so. Later though I didn't write this
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  Speaker 2: description down. I don't think he actually describes it as
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  Speaker 2: like floodlights inside the car. And we're talking the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the night, okay, so like glaring lights.
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  Speaker 3: Because my head kind of went to, what if it's
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  Speaker 3: just a property owner or something and they're like they're
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  Speaker 3: working outside and they're trying to light up their yard
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  Speaker 3: or something.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like more intense than that. It sounds like,
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  Speaker 2: oh definitely. And now with this description, like with his
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  Speaker 2: quote he said rising slightly, it seemed to follow the
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  Speaker 2: dirt road visible through the trees. This is literally in
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  Speaker 2: the trees. It's not actually on a dirt road. It's
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  Speaker 2: following parallel to kind of thing, almost as if there
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  Speaker 2: was a road through the trees. Huh. So this bright
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  Speaker 2: light is just kind of going through the trees, just
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  Speaker 2: chilling on its own. Odd So this encounter took a
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  Speaker 2: very surreal turn though when an amber glow quickly enveloped
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  Speaker 2: both sides of the road. Suddenly, almost out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 2: the craft appeared, hovering silently, absolutely silently, in the night sky.
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  Speaker 2: It was a large, silver disc shaped object, described to
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  Speaker 2: look almost like a turtle shell, in a shape where
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of shallower on the bottom, with that ridge
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  Speaker 2: that goes down the center. It had an estimated size
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  Speaker 2: of over one hundred yards in length.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously massive. Holy shit, yeah, huh okay.
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  Speaker 2: Then in an instant, Thomas remembers being trans ported to
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  Speaker 2: a vast hangarlike aira Oh my god, that dwarfed a
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  Speaker 2: football field in size. Oh man, Okay, to quote him,
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  Speaker 2: we encountered something, something not of this world. Our black
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  Speaker 2: and white television couldn't compare to the unbelievable sits Inside
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  Speaker 2: this hangar, fluorescent lights glowed eerily, illuminating a circular hallway
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  Speaker 2: with a wide configuration, as if designed to control traffic flow.
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  Speaker 2: One room stood out with its bowed in rounded walls,
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  Speaker 2: an architectural marvel unheard of in nineteen sixty nine. I
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  Speaker 2: can't place where I was, but what I saw was
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  Speaker 2: like anything even fifty years later.
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  Speaker 3: So at this point he's describing like he's in.
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  Speaker 2: This ship, he's in this craft, yeah, this UFO, or
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  Speaker 2: assuming the craft, he's somewhere else, assuming it's in there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. And the fact that it's just silent is really
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  Speaker 3: bizarre too. Yeah, Like what kind of technology they.
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  Speaker 2: Have for that, I have no idea, but if it
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  Speaker 2: can help us lower gas prices, I am all in
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 3: You're in huh.
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  Speaker 2: So while this was all happening, suddenly boom, Thomas and
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  Speaker 2: his family were back inside the car. Strangely, his grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: who was in the passenger seat and mother, who was
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  Speaker 2: in the driver's seat now had switched. Oh man, the
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  Speaker 2: grandmother was in the driver's seat and the mother was
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  Speaker 2: in the passenger side with the ignition turned off. Though
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  Speaker 2: no one but Thomas remembered anything about being in the craft,
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  Speaker 2: they did know that something wasn't right. They did remember
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  Speaker 2: that the car was on, They did remember the mother
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  Speaker 2: was driving because the grandma doesn't drive, and they do
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  Speaker 2: remember the lights. They do remember the craft.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's usually a bit bizarre, right, that you would
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  Speaker 3: actually remember the time in there, Like, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that's supposed to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not so much. Also, when they came to
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  Speaker 2: back in the car. Everything was silent, silence everywhere. Now,
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  Speaker 2: to quote Thomas again, everything got real calm. It was
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  Speaker 2: like being in the middle of a hurricane. There was
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  Speaker 2: like a barometric change in pressure. It was just like
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  Speaker 2: dead silence. Then there was an eruption of crickets and
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  Speaker 2: frogs and it got really loud and that was it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh I hate talking about this shit. This is
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  Speaker 3: like I believe in this stuff, even more so probably
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  Speaker 3: than like hauntings for some reason. But then I'm just like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of one of those people where you're what
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  Speaker 3: is the saying when you don't when you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to know something like if you don't know it, it's
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  Speaker 3: not there. What's that saying?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about like a
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  Speaker 2: skeptic or what?
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  Speaker 3: No, what is this saying? Gosh, what you can't what
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  Speaker 3: you don't know, you can't see? Or what the fuck's
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  Speaker 3: the saying?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea? Oh God, I'm drawing a complete blank.
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  Speaker 2: I got nothing for you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Well it might come to me, but that's
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  Speaker 3: how I am with this stuff because I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to know about it, like as I'm worried
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it would then happen to me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I kind of know what you're kind
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: of saying, but I don't know the saying you were hearing.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Oh I can't think of the actual saying. Someone will
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: let us know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Because like seeing is believing? Is that what you're thinking?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Or because I'm thinking like a little kid hiding under
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the blankets from a monster, like if you can't see me,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it's all of situation.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like there's a saying for that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing his believing is the only thing that comes
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to my mind.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Well, you go.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I do want to point out that remarkably, when
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Thomas underwent a polygraph test on this incident, the results
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: indicated his truthfulness with an astonishing ninety nine point one
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: percent accuracy. Okay, however, we do know that polygraphs are
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: not the most reliable.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we figured that out by Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: We definitely figured that one out by now. Now, Thomas
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Reid has been one of the most vocal witnesses to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the INSI in Berkshire, but he certainly wasn't the only witness. Now,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: if he was the only witness, is probably would have
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: been categorized with every other UFO incident. Out there right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: car full of people, middle of the night, bright light,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: you know, and then gone, how do you prove anything?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But another incident that night occurred at Lake Mansfield in
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Great Barrington, only a few miles away. So Melanie and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try and pronounce the name right, Kirchendorfer Kirkdorffer,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: kirk Nope, kirch door for Kirchdorffer, Yes, Kirchdorffer. It's an
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: interesting one. So she was twelve years old at the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: time and during the UH, during the era in nineteen
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: sixty nine. You know, she's growing up most like most
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: other kids, playing outside, getting into trouble. Her and her
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: sister actually had plans that very day to go smoke
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a cigarette that one of their friends had stuck from
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: their parents. Oh but instead Melanie's parents decided that they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: were going to go take family time for an outing,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: get some ice cream together, and go a head to
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the lake.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: That sounds way better right Well.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: For her, that's the last thing she wanted to do,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: so despite her objections, her family took the drive together
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to go Dairy Queen and then out to Lake Mansfield.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Now there at the lake, their father was backing into
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a parking lot, and in that very instant, a bright
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: light suddenly engulfed the inside of the car. Everyone in
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the car began to panic, and the father shouted, holy shit,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: but his curiosity drove him to actually begin to chase
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the light.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, with his family in the vehicle.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Correct, Now, Melanie and her sister were like begging him
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: not to, but he's like, yeah, it's cool, right, that
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: would be you. I feel like, thanks, I appreciate that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Her and her sister were like shaking with
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: fear as their father was driving towards this brilliant, brilliantly
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: bright light. But their mother was trying to make sense
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the situation and explaining that simply just a shooting star,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: nothing more, right, but this was clearly much more than
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: a shooting star. Now, Melanie's sister maintains this day that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: she doesn't remember anything after that. But Melanie, on the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: other hand, she remembers levitating suddenly and then being on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a ship.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh geez.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: She remembers being laid out inside. And Tom Warner was
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: another local boy, and he too claims that he was
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: on the ship at the same time. In fact, he
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: remembers seeing Melanie there seriously. Yes, Although Melanie doesn't remember
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: seeing him, he vividly recalls seeing total fear in her
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: eyes as she was crouched down to his right side.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. And it's all kids, hey, that are remembering. Yeah, huh.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So what Melanie does recall is being in a room
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: with several other kids, other children, and one by one,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: all the other children began to disappear, and it came
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: time for her. And after that she woke up at
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the lake by herself and her family was not around.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: She had to walk home. Oh what Yeah, Oh, she.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Didn't get put back in the vehicle with the family, correct,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Also, how terrifying would that be if
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you're remembering on the ship and just seeing like other
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: kids disappearing, you're probably thinking they're like getting killed or something.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to reiterate i'd piss well chat
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: evacuating my bladder right then and there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I kind of remember the saying what you
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: can't see can't hurt you? Is that pretty much what
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: you said, right?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I'd be kind of I guess, yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: So that's what I mean by this shit. Like I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: hate learning about this because it's fucking terrifying. It's terrifying.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I don't want to know about this.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But I mean that's totally not true though, because what
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you can't see can't hurt you. I mean, go ahead,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: it's my thoughts.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Anyway, close your.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Eyes, I can smuck you upside the head. It'll hurt, right, like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I know, but.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Just like I don't know what you don't know kind
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: of thing. Oh, like I just this stuff. Oh, I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: feel like you would want to be I mean I
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: shouldn't say that, but you I feel like would want
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: to see some sort of alien type thing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I think, I know, the saying you're you're wanting you're
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: going after here. I just clued in. Are you thinking
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: ignorance is bliss Yes, there it goes.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, holy shit.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah we got it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So being ignorant to the situation, yes, you still
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: can be hurt, but yeah, it's blissful just to not think.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: About it one hundred percent.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. So back to Tom. Tom's side
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of the story not only corroborates what Melanie saw, but
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Tom had a witness to corroborate what he saw as well.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Oh man, okay.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So Tom was somewhat of a young artist at the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: time of September first, in nineteen sixty nine. He was
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: next door at his home with his babysitter at the time,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and he was doing some coloring. Now, the babysitter's younger sister, Debbie,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: always colored with him, you know, trying to teach him
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to stay within the lines. And by the documentary a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: little bit, it sounded like she was like kind of
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: cracking the whip Ontom, like stand the fucking lines, Tom,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Not aggressively, but like she was just like, come on,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: get in those lines, you know. Yeah. So, yeah, she
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was collaring with Tom and they were doing their thing,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and Tom was just kind of, you know, having fun,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and time was ticking by, and the son's going down.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Before he knew it, you know, it's kind of dark out.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So finally Tom realized, kind of, hey, sun's down, it
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: is dark out, and he walks over to one of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the windows to kind of take a peek outside. And
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: in that moment, right then and there, a voice spoke
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to Tom, almost says it was right inside his head.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: It told him, you need to go home now. Oh geez,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: yeah again, i'd piss.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's soul.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. So, being a young boy and hearing this disembodied
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: voice from inside his own head, Tom was rightfully terrified.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Weird shitless yeah, and he ran out of the house
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: towards his own home, his own home. Next, he ran
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: across the grass, going as fast as he could, step
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: after step after step after step. He just kept running,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: but little Tom wasn't getting any closer to him.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, my gosh, Oh that's a nightmare.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: His babysitter, in total confusion on why Tom suddenly burst
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: out of the doors of the home, looked out the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: window to see Tom sprinting on the spot. His legs
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: were moving, but he stayed exactly where he was, as
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: if his feet were gliding on the ground instead of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: gripping and propelling him forward. Oh my gosh. He kept
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: running like this on the spot for almost five minutes.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Seriously, five minutes.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: He was probably just exhausted, probably, Tom said. Finally, to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the left of him, a large ufo came down from
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the sky, it appeared, and a jolt of bright light,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: like a beam of light, took him up to the ship.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: His babysitter saw this and to her Tom just vanished.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Wow, could you imagine being the babysitter of that. That's
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: like your worst nightmare of that happening. Yeahn't want to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: a game that you're in charge of for like a
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: couple hours.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: How am I going to explain this to his parents?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Gosh, Oh he did come back, right, he did come back.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll keep going here, I'll let you know
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the story. So this is when Tom remembers being on
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the ship in a large kind of hangar like area,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's very similar, and also seeing Melanie. After that, Tom
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: would be dropped back on the ground, laying on the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: grass on the other side of the property. The light
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: was still on him and it held him in place.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: As he was lying on his back in the grass,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: he couldn't move. His brother now saw him here, told
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Tom to run, but Tom couldn't. He couldn't move. Tom
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: now heard the voice again in his head once more,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: telling him they'd be one more minute. Then after a moment,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the light lifted and the craft was gone, letting Tom free.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what are they doing to these kids?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's fucking terrifying.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because now I was kind of thinking that, but
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: that will be done in one minute, right, what are
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you going to be done doing?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So we have Melanie situation which her family can corroborate.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Tom saw her on the ship, so he corroborates her.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: The babysitter saw Tom running in place and vanishing, can
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: corroborate him. Tom's brother also saw him come back down
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: being pinned by the light. Can corroborate that?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Well. Then Thomas too had the similar kind of description of.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: What the exactly was light exactly. So they're all going
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: back and forth with this information, witnesses to each other,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: corroborating each other's story with similar events and timelines, descriptions everything.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there really isn't any way that they would
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: have chatted or heard of them, No, right.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, And like these are not the only stories
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of the sightings and experiences from people in the area
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that night either. There are more. In fact, there is
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: another one in the Unsolved Mysteries episode that I'm not
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: talking about here, but there's certainly more out there.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I hate that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Now to talk about our third Tom. It's Tom J.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Tom J was a broadcaster on the WSBS radio Now.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: The radio was soon flooded with calls of people reporting
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: sidings of the craft. They're reporting sidings of lights, individual experiences,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you know, seeing things on the horizon, whatever it is,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: all these different things that just fit. Now. When this
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Tom j got the first call in the radio, he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: thought this person was like, you know, they're out, they're
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: out drinking, Like this is complete bogus. But with each
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: call coming in, he realized there was no way that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: alcohol's involved. There's no way this is a hoax. It
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was too perfect. It was from people on opposite side
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of the county in different towns. Many cases, these people
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: didn't even know each other, they've never met before, but
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: they're saying the same thing. Wow, So it would be
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: tom Jay. He would call the police, who'd actually talk
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: in the radio. Anyone else experiencing this collin, let's talk
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: about it, and he let the police know and everything,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and the police had multiple sightings and everything, of course,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: but nothing could be done. There was no evidence. It
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: was just people experiencing the same thing. Who can back
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: each other up?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: What would they be able to do? Nah?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: There was just eyewitness statements, but there was no physical
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: evidence either.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: And there was no injuries or anything.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Really not as far as I was able to confirm.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: No.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now, many people who did experience this incident kind
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: of became a bit of a bit reclusive with what
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they saw and experienced. Talking about it, people would begin
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to look at them and judge them.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's so sad.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, mind you, while there is a lot
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of people who've experienced this in the population, and that
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is just handful. Yeah, say that there's two dozen people
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: who can say the same thing or corroborate each other's stories,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and shit, thousands of people live in the area.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Well, not wanting to believe it either.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, So they began to like not really recount
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the story so much. They began just kind of like
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: or began to just kind of keep them mouth shut
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: live on you know, once in a while they talk
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: about it a little bit and then okay, zip their lip.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And because of that, it never really got reported. It
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: never really went anywhere. Papers in the area didn't even
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: print anything on the event because they believed it to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: be bogus.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Oh man, okay, yeah, geez.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: There is very little to anything on documentation even on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: this occurring. So because of that, it's never really gone
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: anywhere in the UFO community either.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that would be hard. I mean, what you
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: have to do for documentation, you know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Well even if you had police reports of people calling
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: in for example, Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: But they're probably just thinking they can't do anything. This
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: is a lot of work.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and people think, oh, it's bogus whatever, right, But
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: there are multiple people who have this experience who can
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: corroborate each other, Individuals who you know it's like, oh, yeah,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: my dad was a police chief that time, and I
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: remember him getting all these calls and being like, fuck
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: these people, like all these prank calls tonight sort of thing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, holy shit.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So one thing I do want to talk about
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the Tom who can corroborate Melanie's story, who was like
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: running on the spot ye in the Unsolved Mysteries episode,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: being like the kind of younger artist that he was,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: he kinda did this little therapy session, if you will,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: for himself. He painted what he experienced in a painting
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and he actually shows it in the episode. So it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like like when he was young, he painted himself standing
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: there in this beam of light from this UFO taking
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: him up, huh, which is so good for him to
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: have that therapy thing. Oh my god, is it ever haunting?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: At the same time, Okay, I'm gonna have to look
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that up.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine being a little kid being like, yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that happened to me, Like.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: What, Yeah, that's not just my imagination there, that's real life.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Now. Well that's a cool little painting there, tom Oh yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh is that like a space ship? Oh that happened
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: last Thursday. Excuse me. So yeah, everyone kind of was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: just forced to go in with their lives because no
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: one really wanted to talk about it. Everyone just kind
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: of gave them the sided when they did talk about it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Or they were probably making rude comments and almost like
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: thinking that they need, you know, like mental help or something.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Potentially. Yeah, not good, No, it's not. So everyone was
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, blatantly remembering the experience, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: we're just kind of forced to live their life. One
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: woman in the documentary or in the show even mentioned
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: she's like when I get if I get alzeimer, She's like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: this is the thing I will remember.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Oh geez, yeah, it's something that she'll just never ever
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: forget exactly.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'll have Alzheimer's but I'll remember this. Wow.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: See that's another thing with the kind of paranormal stuff
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: is what are their crop circles?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: That scares the absolute shit out of me as well.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Well, crop circles are reportedly related to UFOs.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, like what else would do that
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: potentially the middle of a crop?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I do have to say this, this is kind
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: of funny because it's like reportedly UFOs or like maybe
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: sending us messages be it math equations or who knows what,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: right in these crop circles. But have you seen that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: meme where it's like aliens visiting Earth drawing crop circles
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and then what we did to on Mars because the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Mars rover Okay, so the Mars rover has left tracks
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: across the surface, right yeah, but at one point the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Mars rover accidentally basically just drew a dick. Oh seriously,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: there's like two circles and then it just drives away
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: in this line. So it's like aliens visit Earth but
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: weaves at Mars and it's like the difference.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Well, because the crop circles to the photos, they're generally
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: like it looks.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Kind of cool. It looks cool. Oh yeah, it looks
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: really cool. Well, there is, like there's a lot of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: crop circles can be debunked. There's individuals that improve in that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yeah, I can go make a crop
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: circle and I've fooled people with it, right. However, other
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: crop circles that just appear in the middle of nowhere,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like in the middle of the night, in the middle
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of the night, with like sometimes it's like within an hour, yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and it's like massive. But there's also they can test
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: for radiation in the soil afterwards, and there's heat to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the bottom of like the crop that is bent over.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So usually when a human does it as a farce, Yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: those stems at the bottom of the will say wheat
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: or corn at the bottom of the stalk is usually broken,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it's bent and snapped, but this like heat causes them
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to actually bend and then like they stayed, so you
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: can tell the difference generally speaking.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know that, Like I don't know
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: anything about it, Like I said, I literally I would.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine myself doing a paranormal case ever, because
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I probably won't want to research it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Do you remember those times when I was on graveyard
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: shift and I would stay up on YouTube going down
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: rabbit holes. Yep, there was many, many a nights where
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I went down the crop circle rabbit hole. I am
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: fascinated with crop circles.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're fascinating with paranormal really.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, but it still scares the shit out
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: of me.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's really scary.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. How many times can we say yeah, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: yeah that yeah, that is the nineteen sixty nine Berkshire
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: UFO incident.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, but I do have to just say one thing though,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: because it's silly that it scares me more than say,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: like because it's just came in my head, than like
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the bump bed situation, because generally speaking, these incidents they're
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: not really hurting, like, they're not hurting the humans right
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: as far as far as we know, but we don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing, I suppose. But then like with
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the bump beed thing, gosh, that was like scary shit,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Like I can imagine having some like witch in my
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: fricking bedroom. But for some reason, I'd rather do that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: than an alien mounter, which is so bizarre.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: You want to have something a terrifying thought that I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: had not actually kind of while researching this, I never
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: really thought of it this way before, and I can't
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: believe I didn't. So, of course, assuming that these UFOs
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: are intelligent life, they're aliens or whatever. So just assume
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that for a minute. So assume that these abductions are possible. Okay,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: we generally assume. So there's a lot of assuming here,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: but we generally assume that people get abducted and return
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to Earth. What if they don't get returned to Earth.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: What if these aliens are visiting from a whole other galaxy. Okay,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: they come and they are doing these experiments or looking
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: at us or whatever. But what if they don't drop
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the people back. What if they some of these missing
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: people out there in the world have been taken and
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: then just taken off to another galaxy. Yeah, and they're
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: just now somewhere out there in the universe on another
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: planet with all these other beings.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Or this just occurred to me too. What if they're
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: they're dropping these people back, but then the alien of
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: sort is like encompassed in their body. Oh there's living
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: their life, their.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Stories of hybrids and stuff like that out there. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that is fuck Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, because I have never ever ever thought
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: of that before.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: You haven't. No, Well, there's theories on humans as a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: whole are alien, right, Some people say that once.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I've heard that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Some people say that like, okay, we are actually from
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: another planet and we are like some species populated us
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: with their species or something like that, or who knows,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: like it goes way down and gets weird and stuff.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But there are I mean, as far fetched as many
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: of the theories are. I mean, it's possible, might be
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: slim to none, but it is possible.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's great. This is a lot of greatness
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to think about.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Now, Nichole's not going to sleep very good tonight.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think I am. Actually, I'm going.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: To slowly get out of bed in the middle of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the night while you're still sleeping, and I'm going to
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: go up to the bedroom window with a flashlight and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to shine it inside, and I'm just
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: gonna freak you the fuck out brightly.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, I would hear you go outside,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: but would you.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: If I was quiet enough, I could do it most.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Likely hear you Probably I could do it. Yeah, I
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: mean that'd be pretty scary. But what would scare the
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: shit out of me the most, which I probably shouldn't
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: even tell you, is just like knocking on the door
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: in the middle the night. That would have me Yeah, okay, good,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: that would be the worst.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well that wash day two of Halloween week.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: We got some cool stuff going to be coming up here.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: We did want to tell you. Fearful has dropped. Yes,
• 40:16
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• 40:20
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• 40:22
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• 40:24
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• 40:26
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• 40:30
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• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Well, like we do with the links below, can we
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: put a link to Fearful?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I mean I can, but the problem is there's so
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: many different like platforms people, So if I, for examples,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: put the Spotify link and someone's on Apple podcast, it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: useless to them. Right So, just whatever app you're in
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: right now, just search Fearful. You'll find it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have to scroll like it might not
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: be the first one or whatever that comes up, but
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: it will be correct.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so okay, Well, all our links down below, Patreon, Instagram,
• 41:00
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• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to Fearful because, like I said, there will be a
• 41:03
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• 41:06
  Speaker 2: check them out. Yeah, we appreciate you. Yeah here, you're awesome.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Good job on today's episode.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it was a fun one to research.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: You're pointing at me? What for? Close us off here,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But we'll see you tomorrow. Stay wicked. Jeez, that was
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the worst. Sorry, Okay, we'll see you guys tomorrow. You
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: guys are amazing, and of course, as always, stay wicked.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You want me to do the long one, don't you?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Stay wicked.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not satisfying when it's just stay wicked.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: That's why I do it, because you do a better
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: long win long one than me.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Practice then, but you just that one was pretty good,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: so we're good.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It's not how long it is, Okay, it's how good
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Okay, we're out.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, stay oh wicked.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: This gets worse and worse.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Four