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Amy Gets Coached by Beth McCord (aka Your Enneagram Coach)! · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Amy Wix, a Jesus and Enneagram enthusiast.
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  SPEAKER_02: As a wife, mama of three humans, and a fur baby, I get it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Juggling entrepreneurship in a family is challenging.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I believe the Lord does want your work to be enjoyable.
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  SPEAKER_02: As an Enneagram type 7, I am all about the fun factor.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this podcast is here to help you put the joy back into working mom life.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can see 1 Timothy 617 come to pass in your own week.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a verse that says, God has given us all things to enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_02: All friends, it means all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Motherhood, work from home life, or work out of the home life.
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  SPEAKER_02: With the Lord's help, there's truly a way to feel calm, balance, joy, clarity, and peace in any arena of life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Simply Full Hearted Podcast, where you can expect solo-style and interview-style episodes that are full of faith-based concepts, simple ideas, Enneagram insights, alongside practical tips to help you put that smile back on your face when it comes to doing life with Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now get your headphones and head to that big pile of dishes in the sink, or maybe that bathroom that needed cleaning two weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And let's get to learning together.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I'm sharing a very different kind of episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna hear me be in the coaching seat with Beth McCord, aka your Enneagram coach.
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  SPEAKER_02: Beth actually coaches me on an Instagram live, and we did that earlier this month.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was fun, but also kind of wild as I did share some things that I've never shared publicly before.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a genuine coaching session, nothing scripted, nothing planned.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think the reason that I'm gonna share this with you is that it's important to demonstrate uh vulnerability because it exposes the lie that it's only you that struggles in life.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can get in a bubble thinking we're the only ones having a hard time and everybody else's life looks peachy keen.
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  SPEAKER_02: But when you do hear about others during their hard stuff, I think you can realize that it's just a partly a shared human experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you don't have to have a perfectly smooth life to have a good life or to demonstrate that you're really a follower of Jesus and there's a Christ in your life and an abundant life, even.
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  SPEAKER_02: But before I go too much on a tangent here, if you don't know Beth McCord, she is the founder of Uranneagram Coach and an Enneagram speaker, coach, as I mentioned, and teacher for more than 15 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm a trained coach through the Uranagram Coach certifications as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Beth and her husband have a new book called More Than Your Number.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it dives into the Enneagram internal profile.
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  SPEAKER_02: And really the EIP is there to help us better understand and how it can support you in your self-awareness journey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really, it's there to make it more accessible so you can use it right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're newbie to the Enneagram, you're gonna be so thankful that you found this right away, as the EIP really makes things easier to discover your dominant type and to know what the heck do I do with this Enneagram thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, your Enneagram coach offers an EIP coaching certification.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I am trained in that as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, as you listen to this specific episode and coaching call, I want you to consider if you could see yourself doing what Beth does in this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you think you may want to be an Enneagram coach working with one-on-one clients, or perhaps even doing group coaching, maybe you've even wanted to know more about the ins and outs of the Enneagram and you've considered getting a certified.
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  SPEAKER_02: It really is a great tool to add to not only your resources, maybe for counseling or sermons, but also to utilize in all those different ways having a thriving coaching business or adding it to maybe some work that you're already doing in the community.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'd like for you to ponder these ideas as you get to be a fly on the wall, so to speak, for this very personal coaching session.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also stay tuned in the end because I want to share that there are some special bonuses currently right now that's happening this week for anyone who decides to become an Enneagram coach and to begin the training this month.
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  SPEAKER_02: All the details are in the show notes, but I'm also going to share them at the end of this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: So stay tuned.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do pray that this episode blesses you and even brings about some helpful insights about what the Enneagram can do for you and how it can maybe shine a light on some of those dark places and ultimately how Christ is really only the answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: But today we get to interview a Type 7.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her name is Amy Wicks, and she's a certified Enneagram coach with us here at YEC.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to bring her on because she has done so much work on herself, but also with using Enneagram internal profile, which is what our new book right here is all about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our new book, More Than Your Number, really dives into what is EIP, this Enneag internal profile that each of us has.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's so beneficial.
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  SPEAKER_00: It makes the Enneagram easier to understand and accessible for you to use right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're a newbie in the Enneag, you're gonna be like, this is so much easier.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you are a well veteran, an enthusiast in the Enneagram, you're gonna be like, this is so much easier.
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  SPEAKER_00: This makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey Anmi, how are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey Beth, how are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Good, good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good to see you too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what I was telling everyone is that we're gonna do a coaching series on all nine types, and you're the first one.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're the type seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna really dive into kind of the world of EIP, which I was letting everyone know is Ennegram Internal Profile, which is what our new book, More Than Your Number, is about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that you're a certified Ennegram coach with us at YEC.
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  SPEAKER_00: But not only that, you're actually an endorsed coach in several fields right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So marriage and family, and also with Enneagram Internal Profile, you're endorsed in that as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's one reason why I wanted to bring you on here because you've had a little bit more time than just maybe the average person out there to really sit with it and process it and internalize it and utilize it a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, with that being said, what I'd love for you to do real quick is just to let people know who you are, when you found out about the Enneagram and your type, and then what are you doing with it right now?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so my name is Amy Wicks, and I am an Enneagram coach, as Beth mentioned.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've been hosting a podcast for five and a half years, which I can't believe.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's one of my favorite things that I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm a full-time Enneagram coach.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course, that hat means a lot of different things too, but that is my favorite part of the job is meeting one-on-one with female entrepreneurs and going through material just like we're gonna go through today to help unlock the box, if you will, that a lot of us maybe have felt stuck in for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I first heard about the Enneagram, I think it was 2015, but didn't get certified until 2018 because you didn't release a coaching course until early 2018.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I was ready, I was eager and ready uh to jump right into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so anyway, I've been utilizing the Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_02: I went through a time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know that a lot of our friends here as a Christian, as a believer, as a Christ follower, should I use the Enneagram?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so went through a process of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have to say, I continued coaching through that time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And even as I was exploring the origins and trying to decide, I just, I'm like, it's such a phenomenal tool.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is this amazing light of insight into us.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as a Christ follower, we can guide others to the freedom that Christ offers in those stuck places.
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  SPEAKER_02: But man, the Enneagram has really given me language for things that I just I didn't have words for.
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  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't articulate that stuckness, whether it was to my husband or even in myself and bleeding myself as a mom, why things were frustrating or where I was clashing, especially now with teenagers.
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  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I utilize it in every facet of my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just don't know what I would do without the Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm so grateful to have that tool.
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  SPEAKER_02: It cuts to the quick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here is what's going on, and we can have the clarity if we use it correctly, right?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people we've seen and heard they use it as a weapon, or and what we say is don't use it as a sword or as a shield.
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  SPEAKER_00: So don't use it to hurt others or yourself, but also don't use it as a shield.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is just the way I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: The gospel is the opposite to just say, This is how you know I'm weak and I sin, so just learn to live with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's more like, you know what, I am weak and I do have needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I get stuck.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would love for you to come alongside and help and support me as I continue to grow and learn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just think that's so important for us believers to recognize how not to use the Enneagram, but to use it in a way that always points us to Christ and his freedom.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I also wanted to let those that are watching know, because you are a coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you are interested in becoming an Enneagram coach, and we'll talk a little bit more about this throughout and at the end, just about your own process.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if people are interested, we actually released our first video of a three-part mini series, and it's free on what it's like to lead, coach, and guide others with the Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if those of you guys are interested in what is this Enneagram coaching world, and I'm interested, but I don't know what to do, then all you gotta do is go to your EnneagramCoach.com forward slash mini course and get your free course today just to take your put your feet into the water a little bit and get a gauge for what it is that we're talking about here.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Amy, what we want to do today is so we're gonna show people kind of what Integram coaching is like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, obviously, as when we train people, it's a much longer process than like a 30-minute, 45-minute time period together.
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  SPEAKER_00: What I would like to do is just to really highlight what it would be like for people to be in a conversation with an Ennegram coach that may be a little bit further along than just like those entry introductory sessions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what I'd like to do today is talk with you about your EIP, both from a wounded child and beloved child since this up for everyone just a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: EIP shows that your Enneagram maternal profile that you have six parts to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, that's the basic.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's lots more to you than this, but the basic EIP says that you have six parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first two reside with your main type.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Amy, for you as a type seven, you have two parts of your type seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the wounded child and the beloved child.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the wounded child has experienced hardships through life, and it tries to protect you and has tried to protect you along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: But because it's younger, it's ill-equipped, it doesn't have the knowledge and the insight and the maturity and the wisdom to do it really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: On the other part, is the wiser, older version of ourselves that we keep growing and learning.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this is the part of ourselves that know who we are and whose we are in Christ, and it feels secure and safe, and it's in Christ's unconditional love and rescue in us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that part of our heart can then lead or shepherd or guide or teach or whatever you want to say this wounded child part of our heart into alignment with the gospel so that it can feel seen, heard, and cared for in a whole new way.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the two parts in your main type.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, underneath that are the connecting types.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's four connecting types.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your two wings, so these are the two numbers on either side of your main type.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for you as a type seven, it's six and eight.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the ennegram paths, which are the two lines that come off seven, which are one and five for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, each of these connecting parts will behave on a spectrum either from a misaligned wounded child part.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if the wounded child is leading the charge, they're gonna follow suit with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if the beloved child is in the lead and directing and guiding, then your connecting parts will actually follow in line with that as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they will benefit you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whereas over here, they're gonna be misaligned and not benefit you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, I would just love to let's start with just the wounded child of the seven and the beloved child.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just gonna read just two quick sentences on what that looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the wounded child of the seven, and I'd love to then hear your thoughts and like aha moments or a story that kind of connects these.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the wounded child of the type seven believes that it is not okay for you to depend on others for anything, and that you will be limited, that you'll be bored, and you're gonna be missing out unless you take care of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, just from that viewpoint, can you see how as a younger child, but even now when that comes online, how that feels, when does it pop up, what is that like for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: I wish I could say my memory of this is a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But oh yeah, even just last week, I had the uh an encounter with the wounded child, and it I it was like a deep encounter where I'm like feeling suffocated and going, what is going on?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: What is this feeling?
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was it was a conversation with a close loved one, and we'll put it as conversation, but it was a little bit more tense than a conversation, yeah.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: But it was this feeling of feeling trapped in those who are sevens, it's like someone has put a strait jacket on you, and yeah, you're you are literally unable to physically free yourself, but that straight jacket is on your emotions, on your spirit, and it there's almost the sense of tsunami is the word of where I might be smothered by this situation, by this limitation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've always off I've also felt that about emotion, but in particular when it was a situation that it was just out of my control.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's a route to that, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: But ultimately it's I feel when I'm in that wounded child place, I instead of going, okay, the Lord is going to do something on my behalf and believing that he cares for me and that he has good for me, I clock.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: I want to plot, I want to to defend, I want to like break, break off that constraint and just run far away instead of I think sometimes situations come in and that it's that straight jacket.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that as a beloved child, the Lord maybe helps us slip up out of it and go like this, but instead I just want to tear it off and run far away from the situation.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty intense.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm not a seven, and even when you said straight jacket, I was like, I felt it like I've gotta get out of this immediately.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: That was such a great aha moment.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I love in coaching is to open up these conversations for people to have those light bulb moments, to verbalize it for themselves, what it feels like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, another seven might have a different analogy, which is great.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: But for you, I love that picture, and it really helped me to step in your shoes and to feel for a second, oh my gosh, what that would feel like.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm assuming, Amy, it goes across the board.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just maybe one little situation here, like it could be any situation where you're feeling trapped or deprived or limited.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: That instant strait jacket feeling happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it happens in friendships, it happens with my work, it happens as a mom.
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  SPEAKER_02: It even happens as a wife in the sense of we don't agree to something.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the place I go.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm grateful having done the work, I I'm less likely to slide there right away.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's before I would say that line, that low place.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would was a slide.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a metal slide, thankfully, not too hot, but maybe greased up a little bit, and you're just boop.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now it's going, oh, I'm starting to go down this path, and I begin to okay, hold on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that really the truth?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Am I really that stuck?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that how the Lord parents me and leads me?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's so good.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the beloved child part of the seven would think more this way that I belong to Christ and that he fulfills my needs and continues to fill my needs, and that he's the one that brings full satisfaction, joy, and a content heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Therefore, I don't have to wrestle so hard to be free because I already am free.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is that like when you're in those moments of clarity and understanding?
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  SPEAKER_00: And how does that part of your heart then shepherd, lead, guide the wounded part of your heart?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's everything, Beth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I bet a lot of believers would echo the sentiment that I know that, but do I know that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, those 18 inches, it's such a long way sometimes.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I I'm not alone in this where I have a parent situation and I'm unpacking in my 40s things that have happened my whole life that give me language for going, I've been fatherless almost my whole life.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: And anyone who experienced an absence of a parent, there is that orphan spirit.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that we've I use that language sometimes with some of my clients and we have before of that that feeling of we have to do it all on our own, we have to figure it out.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's so much that I didn't under, I didn't realize how much I was living under that due to physical experience and circumstances, but then also just emotional baggage and pain and understanding, really believing and moving to this place of beloved from my head to my heart.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: There are even new waves in my fourth decade of life, or technically, what is it, the fifth decade?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever it is, I'm in.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, whatever it where there's new layers and understanding of really believing that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that as goes a lot of my clients, we each circumstance gives us an opportunity to live what we believe, to grow our faith muscle.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what it takes.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: It takes faith in our all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-caring God to receive that gift of belovedness.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: And so it is everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when I feel so defeated, and when I'm living with that strait jacket on, and I feel like that is it.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: When I pause and I take a moment to really think about what I believe and receive it in my heart and let that be the overwhelming emotion, it does change everything.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: I lived out this situation, I feel like so relevant.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was, I'm like, Lord, did I have to live this out for this conversation?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's so much more.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: But ultimately, I it gave me an opportunity to see how he was gonna defend me, how he was gonna fight for me, how he was gonna provide a way out, and how he was gonna turn something that felt hard to really good and good for me.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: And and I wasn't me orchestrating it or changing the circumstances or anything else, but but seeing that kindness of the Lord and that care of the Lord helped me be able to navigate in a way that was loving and kind and so much more than just about me.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: And because in the end, that's what we're trying to do, so that way we can have deeper relationships that are thriving.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it just seems for type seven, because and I think a lot of people they there's I'm sure you hear this all the time.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: If I could just be a type seven, I just want to be a type seven, I just want to be a type seven, and I'm like, I get what you're saying because they think the seven's living in this state of joy and happiness all the time, but they don't know the struggle.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then if I say that, sometimes they're like, are they really struggling though?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Look at them.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's no, you don't understand all the nine types when they're misaligned and living under the wounded child, are significantly struggling, which is why we needed a rescuer, Jesus Christ, to rescue us.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: And when the seven's living through beloved, yeah, it's beautiful, it's abundant, it's joy, it's radiant.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: But help people to understand.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I guess the false perception of the seven and really what you're dealing with on a day-to-day basis because you've done a lot more work.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: So some sevens, if they haven't done a lot of work, they are living in an optimistic world.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: That is the mindset of a seven.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're not even wanting to see the real pain that they really are experiencing.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because you've done a lot more work.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can you just let people know what a seven is really dealing with on a day-to-day basis?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: That fear of enough is oh, it runs deep.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been thinking about a lot.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Last year I went I read through Philip Keller's book, The Shepherd Looks at the 23rd Psalm.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I happen to know that's one of your favorites as well.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: And there's so much we could just have a book club on it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: We should do that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: I would love that.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: That would be amazing.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, that would be amazing.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: I really took a long time in that I shall not want uh phrase of the scripture, and it's like part B of one of the verses.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: And whoa, I shall not want.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's continued to be a theme over this year of 2022.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: I felt like the word the Lord gave for this year was enough.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Let me show you what enough looks like and to be satisfied.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's this, there's this waiting through everything, questioning, a constant questioning, which is so interesting, a head type, right?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: We're in that head type, and I think we're the least likely to portray that head type, but there's so much in the background going on of going, is this gonna be enough?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is this gonna satisfy?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is this gonna limit me?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is it gonna make me feel stuck?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: So waiting through that lens because there's this also, and I think as I've matured, I'm aware of that insatiable appetite.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: But when you're immature or younger or just don't have the awareness yet, that insatiable appetite drives you way more than you realize.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: I love getting clients, Enneagram Seven clients, it's just a different experience to coach your own type, but of course, like all at different levels of awareness.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's really beautiful to see just even being able to acknowledge that desire to continue to fill up.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: But then when that maturing happens for sevens, there is this true, genuine desire of going, not only help me or help me celebrate the enoughness, but I want to take that enoughness and give it to the world.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: I want to give that to others.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so we're really good at masking this maybe spiral emotional struggle, I call it, in the background of anxiety of okay, I got to get more, I gotta get more.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: And we do it with a pretense almost as a three night with a mask, except for it usually looks one-dimensional of joy and enthusiastic and everything is good and right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: But when a seven finally is willing to acknowledge this world isn't gonna satisfy me, and I'm tired of trying to get it, whatever this hunger is in me satisfied or quenched, then there's then they when they step into this process of going, okay, I I can't do it myself.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna be ever good enough.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna drive me crazy if I can't find a way.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so coming to this place of just being able to be aware of what it is that they ultimately want and then what they want to do with it once they receive it, it's just such a beautiful process.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: I know I went off on a tangent there.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, but no, absolutely, no.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And one thing that I I love, there's this, I don't know, it's TikTok or Instagram reel.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where I saw it, but I was like, oh my gosh, this paints a great picture of sevens.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is think of if you were just starving, like literally starving.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this TikTok reel that showed a raccoon.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: And raccoons love to wash all the things, especially like their food, they'll wash stuff, like so they put it in water.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: This poor little raccoon got hold of cotton candy, and of course it looks amazing, and it's gonna taste amazing, and so we're gonna wash it, right?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: He puts it in the water, and literally it just is gone, it's disappeared.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he is frantically searching for this treasure that is no longer there, and like he's panicking.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, it just like my heart leapt for the sevens who feel this hunger and like I finally I have it, right?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: I have it, and then it's gone.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think people they think that when they see the sevens going from one thing to the next thing to the next thing, oh, they're just having a blast in life.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, the faster and the harder they go, the more that really indicates a restless heart of starvation, feeling that they don't have what they need to be satisfied and content.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I love how you're painting that picture of the book, you know, I shall not want, that we actually have the spring of living water to drink and take in, and we have the banquet table to take in all that we need, and it's never cut off.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: How does that land on you?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just those two kind of analogies.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Does that feel accurate?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's so spot on.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: And even what came to my mind is it this goes for every type, right?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because I almost hesitate to post the really fun, exciting stuff that I do, say on Instagram stories or whatever, because it looks like, oh my gosh, oh, she gets to do all of these things.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's so much fun and all that sort of stuff.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: And what's running in my mind sometimes is you have no idea what is behind this picture.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, all right.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing can satisfy, no adventure, no experience, no relationship, nothing else can satisfy except for Christ.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Man, if I don't go to him first, everything is cotton candy.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: It just disappears in a second once you can get it.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, where to go?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Or even if we eat it, it's that's it.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't satisfy, it doesn't give the nutrients that we are really looking for.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: We have tasted sweet in the moment, but then it's gone.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because a seven could go through life.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: There's this great King of Queens.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you ever got into it, but that was like our funny show in our early married years.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I just remember Doug's eating a pudding cup.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as he gets done, he's I'm sad.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes and gets more.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, that is it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: That right there is the antithesis of a seven.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we gobble it up and it's so good and it's so fun.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then when it's done, I was like, oh man, I'm sad.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: How can I go get another one?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: And all the things.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a great picture of the wounded child of the seven.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is now what the world sees is this fun, exciting go-getter who's just going from fun thing to the next fun thing.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: But internally, what they're not seeing is this fear of insight that I have this insatiable desire that's never gonna be full.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got to keep going and keep going because otherwise I'm gonna sit here starving and or feel like I have a strait jacket on.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so let's take a look at so we were the beginning, we talked about the six part, the six EIP parts.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: So we talked about the type seven has the wounded child and the beloved child, and that's what we've been talking about.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna paint a picture of your four connecting parts.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the two wings, so the six and the eight that you have, and the two Enneagram paths, which for you are one and five.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the numbers that the seven is connected to.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And again, these four, they're actually there to support the seven, okay, from their perspective, their their Ennegram perspective.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're there to support the type seven, for you, the type seven, but they are going to do it either in a misaligned way or an aligned way, depending on whether your wounded child or your beloved child is driving your bus, your bus life.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll paint a picture of what it looks like first when your connecting types are misaligned and your wounded child is at the helm, and then we'll talk about what it looks like when they come online in a healthy way.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: So your type six part can demand loyalty and are dependent on others in response to feeling lots of feelings of self-doubt.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your type eight wing might show up and resist feedback from others.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: It will, your type eight part will encourage you to go at it alone.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the type one part of your heart can become very critical towards yourself and others if you're feeling deprived or people aren't coming through for you in a way that you feel will fill you up with fun.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you can become very judgmental and critical.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then the type five part of your heart will isolate you and make you less reflective on life and what how you're reacting to life so that you can avoid any pain.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it will pull you back and isolate you.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: So just from those, and you don't have to talk about each of them, but what stood out the most and feels maybe even the current moment feels more most accurate.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I as you were running through all of those, I was like, oh yeah, this is all there.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: It almost feels like a pinball machine.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, that's 100%.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: That was exactly I was the little bell sound that much better than I can imitate what's going on in my but it's just so amazing.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why this ERP is such a gift because you can you just can expand on understanding yourself and where you are engaging in these ways because the seven just isn't enough to describe all of the all of the pieces of our story.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you said a term and it was really interesting because I've been wondering myself, and maybe this is a good coaching moment, but I've really been struggling with those who don't follow through.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it's been a very interesting theme again this year.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: I felt that the Lord is highlighting it.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have resolution yet at all by any stretch, but it's this I think there has been something in me, and because maybe and we even had a conversation about this.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: My my dad is the same type as me, but looks very different because of the choices he's made in life.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's been this drive, I think, to be opposite a little bit.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: And one of those things is follow through.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so I don't know.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: I like how do you see that play out?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because it has been a thing where with friendships or other people or work, even I'm like, why doesn't anyone else follow through like I do?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm supposed to be the flaty one, I'm supposed to be the fake flaky one.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Don't they know how hard it is for me to follow through?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Why can't they do the same?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, so help me, absolutely.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think you painted such a great picture.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the question.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: You've painted such a great picture on why you felt the need to rise above a potential Achilles heel for the seven, which is not following through and going to the next thing.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: And what I would think could be happening as under the wounded child part of your heart is this great fear of missing out if you don't stay committed and finish.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: So some people are like, oh, if I do all of these steps and commitment, oh, I can't do all of those things out there.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I think where you might be coming from is more like, no, I've made a decision and that's what's going to be the best thing or the right thing, or and it depends on how much you're using like your type one and your six predominantly.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: So this one part of your heart might be like, this is the right thing to do, and we're doing it.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: The sixth part of your heart might be like, that this is the loyal thing to do, and we're gonna stick through with it, we're gonna be responsible.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: So those are coming online.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when it's misaligned, it's gonna be much more rigid and judgmental of yourself if you don't follow through, but rigid and judgmental of others if they don't follow through.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then it can be really tiring if people, like you said, don't recognize how hard this is because it's not the natural inclination of a seven to be that responsible and to follow through.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, what we want to recognize is it's all the things that we talk about, it's always a spectrum.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: So the fact that you do follow through and you are committed on one side, so the beloved side is beautiful and rich and amazing, but then it can be under the wounded child, all depending on how we go about it, right?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it just depends.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we want to recognize the beauty of a seven following through and being committed and the ripple effects that has when it's from a beloved aligned part, which means you're committed in your marriage, you're committed to the well-being of your kids, you are committed to your business and what you're offering your coaching clients, and that you're showing up when you said you would, and that you're collecting, let's say, your payments that supports your family.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: So those are like this really beautiful, beloved side that for you is stretching yourself.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if this was a type one I was talking to, that wouldn't be a stretch at all.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: That is just that's like breathing air.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they do.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is really good for you to recognize I have this from my wounded child part as a kid that I saw the lack of follow through my relationship with my dad.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I felt the pain and the anguish.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to duplicate that again for myself and my family.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you chose to rise above and work really hard by exercising muscles that would typically be really weak or atrophy for a seven, and you chose to go against that.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not like you're a bodybuilder in this arena.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like this is just easy peasy for you.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is still and it will always be hard to do.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's perfectly fine to even ask people, hey, I just I know that I do follow through a lot, and I am for a lot of sevens.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: I do commit and stay committed and responsible.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: But it's sometimes hard when I feel like either people they don't see it or they don't recognize it or they don't affirm or are grateful for it.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Not that you need, oh everyone, you're I'm amazing, but that I'm running a marathon when type ones are running just a 400 sprint, like this is what they do.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that can be so beneficial just to let others know, I'm so glad I'm coming through for people, but I just want you to recognize how hard this is and just that you would cheer me on when you're seeing it in motion, because it may look easy from your outside perspective, but just trust me, this is so hard as a wife, a mom, a business owner, whatever it is.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And what would that for you from your wounded child part that feels, let's say, indignant and frustrated?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the type I can hear like the type one part of your heart saying, like, like we have to do what's right.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then the sixth part of your heart is, yeah, we have to be responsible and come through.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: And the eight part is, oh, yeah, we got to plow a path for everyone.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then the five part is, guys, this is a lot, this is overwhelm.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to shut down the sevens.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Can we just have fun, please?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Just do whatever I want to do.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all of these competing narratives happening, which is exhausting.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so then if we don't recognize that's going on, what ultimately can happen is the seven part of your heart can take over the misaligned and be like, I'm out of here.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just gonna go have fun, I'm gonna be irresponsible, I'm gonna do these things.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas if you can recognize how it is unfolding, how these parts are starting to compete with one another, they're trying to be beneficial for you, but they can get offline and derail you.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: Really angry at people for not doing what's right because now it's on my shoulders, and I have to be the one to come through again, and I'm tired and I'm a seven, this is hard.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, people.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then the six is aren't people committed to me and helping me?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: When those parts come online, that can be your rumble strip, that aha moment of okay, what am I needing to attune to within myself?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: What is, and I would love just to ask you this question: what is my seven part needing, like to for people to hear and attune to and care for?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then what are the other parts needing as well?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Could you actually go through those real quick?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't, that's totally fine.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: But what is each of these wounded parts demanding from others and hoping to get?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Even as you say it, I'm tearing up because I think the word is weary of trying to like just go there.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: Dang it.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: This one thing when it's just you and I and Zoom.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: I always make people cry.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's what we're supposed to do, right?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: I know, yes.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I this is how I'm coping with it right now.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, fellow seven, so you gotta laugh a little bit, your tears, and be like, okay, it won't be forever.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I think some of this is just going, I'm trying way too hard to make sure that I don't veer off that rumbles, that road for the seven, that low side, that I'm gripping way too hard on that wheel.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I know that yeah, and I know that if I were coaching a one, it would be hey, 100% is way more than enough.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to give 150.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's not all your responsibility, it's not on all your shoulders.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, who are you gonna delegate to?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: But even I think, yeah, like I'm listening to you, and sometimes we're really bad at taking our own advice.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, 100%.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is why coaching is so powerful because we're in the forest, but we don't see it.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: We're there.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so to have a coach be able to mirror back gently and listen and attune to, it allows you, the person who's getting coached, to take some time to reflect.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Someone's in alignment with me, understanding me, getting me, but they're also guiding me in a place that I probably normally wouldn't want to go on my own because it's too scary, too hard, too vulnerable.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, so you got the one part that you can you would tell your clients.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so the one part of your heart, what is it needing?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think it's demanding?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's demanding the from the low side from kind of the wounded child is like control, responsibility, needing to think probably more than I even could acknowledge until this moment is to feel like I'm good, which I normally slough off.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I have a hard time understanding where a one feels that need to be right and good.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: And but in the that moment, I as I think through the scenarios of going, I'm good, I did the right thing.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, what about your six?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think your six is needing to hear or to be attuned to?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think I think the word reliable comes to me that I am reliable, that I'm seen as reliable, that I offer reliability.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think it goes back to of I see the pain inflicted on a lack of that word follow-through or the lack of unreliability of wanting to offer it for myself almost, or like hoping that if I offer it to others, maybe others will offer it to me as well.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Is that a place of almost trying to redeem what you didn't have?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I know that I'm starting to feel the tension inside too.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like and yet that's so beautiful, right?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like you weren't being attuned to, cared for, and followed through with what your needs were from it sounds, I don't know your story, but your dad.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the pain that caused over decades is also the very fuel that is propelling you to be the responsible one, to be the one that follows through for your kids, your husband, your career.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I think I would like to venture on asking you, but is it also the thing that's following through for you?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's not because it's at the sacrifice of healthier boundaries.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: And the the recharging that is needed, or just the knowing that I'll still be loved even if I don't.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's hard.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Probably more with looking through the lens of your kids' eyes.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: As a mom who knows she's a seven and has all these amazing attributes, but also her greatest fear that she would at all replicate her dad's lack of attunement.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to reflect this back and see if this sounds right.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like you're on this constant exhausting treadmill to prove that you love them through follow through and responsibility.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Does it feel like the never ending marathon?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because keeping three teenagers happy.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:01
  unknown: Yeah.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: And that almost right there, like that's probably the root of it, Beth, of this last weekend where something came up where I felt so trapped.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Not because of myself as much, as like I felt it for my kids.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I wanted to, yeah, not duplicate the frustration that I felt being put in circumstances that were beyond my control or that limited me or were not fun and miserable.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so that right there, my mama's heart, like that was really what was in wanting to not create the same what I deem as miserable.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's just so funny.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same, that's it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's the lunch pen right there where I could spend an hour untangling it and go, oh, that's why this is the domino of that understanding.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a big deal.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why, because I think someone like you, I could totally see the confusion internally of I know that sevens typically, let's say stereotypically, are they're not follow-throughs, they procrastinate, they're not committed.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: But through your own trauma, your own wounds, the beautiful thing, this is why this is so beautiful, is that oftentimes we shame and ridicule and push aside the wounded part of our heart because they honestly create havoc.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's we talk about it being like the bus of our life.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: Beloved child is not at the steering wheel and is sleeping in the back of the bus, the wounded child's and they grab the wheel, and no one needs a 10-year-old, a 12-year-old being a school bus.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's only going to cause havoc.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: But what else are they going to do?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: They have to do something.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're trying the best they can.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so oftentimes we shame and we ridicule and see what problems you've caused me.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: And yet, if we will look at them and say, you are trying your best to give me a gift.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: So if we looked at your wounded bride, and what I'm hearing from you is the seventh part of your heart, the wounded part as a mom, we'll just say that area, is trying to bring positivity and fun and joy to your kids.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: The one part of your heart is making sure that they feel that you see their needs and are following through with wisdom and responsibility.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: The type six part of your heart wants your kids to know that you are faithful and committed, that you're all in for them, that you're not this flighty mom, just like passive and ignoring them and off doing your own fun things, that you are tuning to them.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: The type five part of your heart is, you know what, I will do all that I can to gather as much information to then pour my life out for you, because you're my kids and I love you.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the eight part of your heart is trying its best.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I will plow over anyone that gets in the way of you have having the life that I foresee and want.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: And this is from the perspective of what I'm hearing from your life.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if I was talking to a seven who was struggling with procrastination and was struggling being engaged, that we would have a whole different conversation about how these parts are showing up for them.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: But this is about your personal journey.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so we want to recognize that these parts of your heart, so the five is gonna isolate because it's like I can't ever do anything, I can't follow, I can't help enough, I don't have enough knowledge, and I'm exhausted by this.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: What do we call that?
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: The wheel.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Hamster wheel.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the hamster wheel.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to be a parent.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: So the five is just gonna isolate and give up.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then the eight is I'm just gonna plow over the kids, I'm gonna plow over the school, I'm gonna plow over whoever gets in my way.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna make the way, everybody move.
• 47:56
  unknown: Yeah.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: So the wounded one is I'm going to be critical of everyone that is not following the right procedures.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we follow the right procedures, we'll all enjoy life.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know how to get to this joy.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: The six is like, dang it, people.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you would be responsible and measure up and follow through, like me, I'm so responsible, then I wouldn't be so exhausted doing it all on my own.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: The age will plow up through, and then the five is I'm isolating, I'm out of here.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: See you all your.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm checking out.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: See ya.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: I got some hallmark to watch.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: And those wounded parts, they're acting out like we do as little kids.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're acting out because they don't feel attuned to and cared for in the way that they need to.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, just because a kid is reacting a certain way, as we know this being parents, that just because they're in a tantrum doesn't mean we give them what they think they need or want.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because it might not be exactly what they want.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: But can we attune to what they're trying to communicate, what they're what they think they need, and then redirect them into a healthier place?
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I think where I'd like to start is I'll show you what the beloved is and what would it look like.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: And just think as I'm saying this, think through an example that really gets you derailed as a mom from this whole perspective, and what it will be like to attune to these parts.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: What would you even say to them to get them over here?
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: So over here, the beloved part, the seven part of your heart is like, I am fulfilled by Christ's joy and satisfaction, and I have all that I need.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: He is sovereign and good.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: I lack nothing.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Even if I feel like I do, I lack nothing.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he will attune and provide for what I need in each and every moment.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the one part of my heart can guide with wisdom and insights and a clear path to move forward and what is best.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: My five part is going to gather all the great information to make sure that happens.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: My sixth part is going to help me to be responsible and stay engaged with this path by seeing what could happen, but overreacting to the what-ifs, but staying very discerning and diligent.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then my eighth part is going to assist me by knowing how to plow a path for my kids, but not over my kids, or not over the teachers, or over who anyone else.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it's going to give me that tenacity to keep going in the right trajectory.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: So think of the situation of when you get a little offline and the wounded child's showing up, and all these parts are doing their thing that we just talked about.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: Think about that situation and then just verbally coach yourself like what would you say to yourself to get you over here?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's good.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Those of us who are parents, you maybe are wanting to ask their opinion about what to do, and you have three very opinionated kids and parents.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: That exists.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: It has.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so it would be really quickly what to wanting to please everyone, want to make sure everybody is fun and there are no limitations to their experience.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so I that's where I could get off the rails and start feeling a little bit crazy trying to control it, trying to pave away an unhealthy.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: But I think as I'm thinking, even through the recent scenario, it's going, okay, deep breath.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right, what's really happening here?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: What are the healthy options best?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know what your kids need.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: While your kids may not feel that you're attuned to them in this moment, you are, and that's why you care.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's why you're here.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's why you're not leaving.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's why you're going to make a plan.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: And your kids also need you to stick to a plan and decide for them because sometimes, as the mom, you know best.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: And you can, it's you are allowed to take in your opinions, but at the end of the day, you know what it is that you need to do that will be best for everyone and can also be really fun.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the reality is your kids complain and are going to have different opinions, but when all is said and done, everyone ends up having a great time, and everyone ends up having fun and a special memory.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about what you make it, and you can show them what that looks like to just make it a good time.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: How does the little wounded part of your heart have you named her?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't yet.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I love this though.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: I really should.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you think she's feeling right now by you just saying all of that?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so much calm.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: And actually, that's not true.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: I have this the wounded part is my first and middle name.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it's because it's both good.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and like it's like either I'm in trouble or oh, that's like unknown, right?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, as like you said that I'm like, oh yeah, no, I did at least cover that part.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: But the yeah, that is hey, this is it's gonna be okay.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's all gonna work out, it's gonna be fun.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get to the other side, you're gonna have good memories.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: Take a deep breath.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: And ultimately, so this is what Amy Rebecca is, she's longing to hear that she will be taken care of.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: And Coach Amy, or what do you even know your beloved child name?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Have you name her?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Coach Amy for sure.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: So Coach Amy is now attuning to Amy Rebecca and saying, Not only am I here to take care of you, but I'm finite and I'll do the best I can.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: But he is here and he is our rescue, and he is our provider.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: He ultimately is going to take care of us.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that is when little Amy Rebecca is able to go, oh, okay.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's not up to me to be the perfect mom, the reliable mom, the faithful mom, the fun mom.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, it's him working in and through me.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if all my efforts, even if they were all amazing, will end up getting me what I want.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so I have to trust him and his provision, his sovereignty, his care.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm hoping that little Amy Rebecca is able to hear that it's not that she's wrong.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: She is just ill-equipped to bring about the real good desire she has and being an excellent mom, a mom that loves her kids and attunes to them and provides all of these excellent elements.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: And as she rests her heart, opens it up, what she'll see is that Coach Amy will come online and be able to bring the higher, the healthier attributes that she's trying, but she's going to actually be able to give those to your kids.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: And ultimately, we know that our kids are in his hands.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so as we move through, it's just such a hard and challenging exercise to surrender depend on him with the things we treasure the most, which really are our kids.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: But we can if he enables us, and that's where we have to just open up.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, in saying all of that, I think a great mental picture is Amy Rebecca has a real and right fear that as a seven, she is going to veer off into this ditch over here, which is procrastination, irresponsibility, not attuning to others, but only her own wants and desires.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like that is a real thing sevens can struggle with.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's not far off, right?
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like me, I know that I can check out and zoom out and not pay attention to the world.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like that for me is a nine, but that's right around that's just around the corner.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't and we're so afraid that's so close, it's a slippery slope.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: That so if you're driving down the road and you feel that rumble strip over here, what you're saying, so this is the visual I want you to have is what usually happens internally is we take the wheel and we go, oh no, and we like just try to correct it, but we overcorrect it and we head over to the other ditch on the other side.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's out of a desire to get into a better trajectory, but we overcorrect.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: And and so we what we want is really rumble strips on both sides.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to overcorrect and we don't want to undercorrect.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think the challenge for you now isn't so much that you already know what these rumble strips over here are, you're very aware as a seven, but what are these rumble strips over here when you're over-functioning, over-correcting, so that you don't shame yourself and condemn yourself, but so that you can go, oh, I have a right fear.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was not there for me, and I don't want my kids to feel that way, but I can't over-correct either.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then as you work through how all the different connecting parts of your heart over-correct, you can use that to get yourself back here in this middle trajectory.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: It will never be perfect, we're gonna be keeping back and forth, but it will help you to just stay like a bumper lanes or like in the bowling bumper lanes, like to stay guided in that trajectory.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Does that help?
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think until you've said that, I usually the analogy of being on a paddleboard or kayak.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: And the thing is, I've been so worried about like maybe not getting the bushes that I've like totally gone over here and I need to know someplace here, not yes, clear off.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's so good, Beth.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: That is good, and I know that there's some real simple solutions to put in place to like bump back over to the right in a place that's healthier, healthier for me, healthier for them.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Even though we all know our kids are gonna need therapy no matter what.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: My kids are we're like, go get help.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: We know that we're humans and we try our best, but yes, exactly.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: But we're trying so hard to not add more to it, and that's a desire.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I think just in closing, I think what I would love to encourage for you is to sit with Amy Rebecca and all the parts that kind of fall under her and have them feel very attuned to and seen and heard and affirmed for all that they have tried to do to produce kids that know that they're loved and cared for and what a beautiful representation of your heart that is.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_00: But also, hey guys, you have this really great desire, but you're ill-equipped.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna go in this direction instead.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna we're gonna follow the beloved child, and they'll start to loosen their grip.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna take a lot of time, and until we're in heaven, it's just it's back and forth, it's never perfect.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: But you'll see over time they'll loosen their grip of their way or the highway, and you'll see your beloved self and all of its parts coming through more and more.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll be able to even verbalize your kids.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm being critical right now because I am exhausted for carrying the responsibility on all this, and I'm doing it because I fear you won't see that I'm attuning to you, or that you I fear that you won't know how faithful I'm trying to be and how hard that is for a seven.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I would even encourage you, and maybe you're already doing this, to start using that language now because I started using it when my kids were younger, not to overwhelm very simplistic terms.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be all any gram speak, but so one that they could hear that I'm attuning to my heart and I'm admitting where I'm struggling and where I'm weak, but also what I'm hoping to get, but not demanding it, because they can't always come through for me.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: But over time, they hopefully will be able to attune and say things like my kids did, which one of them this was this is like a perfect example.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: When they were your kids' age, during the summer, what do they do?
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're watching TV like all day, and I'm upstairs working really hard.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I came down like 10 o'clock in the morning, and they're just watching whatever, playing video games, and I was and that the kitchen was just a disaster, like of course it always is in the summer.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so I'm like, I'm gonna be patient and I'm just gonna say what I need.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I did.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, can you guys clean up the kitchen while I'm upstairs working, thinking they're gonna listen to me, they're going to hear me, and they're gonna do what I say.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I go upstairs for five hours and I come back downstairs, nothing, like they are still in the exact same spot, and it just hit all my parts, just lit me up.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just about ready to go crazy, which of course is a nine, is really comical in and of itself.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, guys, and they knew instantly.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and we'd had this kind of Enneagram talk for a long period of time where they were like, Mom, we know and understand why you feel that your presence doesn't matter and that your voice doesn't matter because we did not listen to you and didn't do what you asked.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not the message we're trying to send.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're just teenagers who got swept up in the day and we're sorry because you do matter and what you ask matters.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason why it's so important, and not that we this happens all the time in our household, it's just one example, one example.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: But the reason why, whether you or those who are watching, it's so important to have this language of not blaming and defending, but just to say what we need is that when my kids reflected back to me, my wounded parts were like, No, this definitely means you don't listen to me.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely means that I don't matter to you.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I mattered to you, you would have done what I said.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: But when they reflected back to me, we understand why that would land on you because of how you see things, but that's actually not how we feel.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: You do matter to us, and we're sorry.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: I've like, my whole internal world was like, I don't know what to do with this information.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, am I supposed what am I?
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: I can't get upset, break, because now we can have this common language of really you do I do matter to you when you don't do what I say.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd love for you also to just venture, and I know you do this because I just know you, but I'd love for you and those are listening to venture out into learning this vocabulary of the internal world and voicing it not in a way of demand, but as in I need attunement as well.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: I need yeah I need you all to attune to how I'm struggling.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: Not that you are my rescuer because Christ is, but we're a family.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I would just love for you to know how this lands on me and then also how I come across and I land on you.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: How can I attune to you as well?
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: How does that all and I'm sure the story you from a seven's perspective, you can relate, but how does that land on you?
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's that is brilliant because it will open up that door, like you said, to having further conversation, or uh as my counselor has put mothering yourself because as a mom, like you're just at this whole conversation, which by the way, not pre-planned, not scripted, this is just what was here.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: But for those of us who are moms, we're so busy sometimes tuning in or figuring out what everybody needs and taking care of everybody else, where we forget to convey that part of us that also needs to be taken care of.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so if we're speaking on behalf of our kids, why not speak on behalf of our inner child, ourselves, where we're mothering ourselves?
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_02: And because he's always he got a what are you gonna do to mother yourself?
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that would be just such a beautiful way of doing that.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, hey, I need to feel taken care of, or when this happens, I don't feel taken care of, and I feel like I have to do it on my own, or and then all those parts get activated as we've talked about today.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I I think it's really awesome because I think as moms, sometimes we could be good at helping our kids articulate it and find those words like so.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: Do you in this moment is this what's being activated?
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: But how often are we doing it?
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: But they learn from example, right?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_02: So way more than taught, right?
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if we're telling them how things land on me or how it's how I'm feeling through the situation, and not necessarily we don't want to be blaming and criticizing, but just hey, when you guys didn't do the dishes, it lands on me as a type 9 as if I don't matter to you.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how I would, but it wasn't saying you did this, it's like it lands on me that way.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now I know that I have to do my own work, and I can't, I can't rely on humans to come through for that message that only God can come through.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: But that doesn't mean I don't also help guide them along the way.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: But if I can verbalize how I see the world and interpret the world as a map for them too, to understand their mom in a deeper way, it will just help as we navigate through our relationships as we get older.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then later on, especially as my kids got older, I got to understand their internal world and what things activate them and why.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so that I can come alongside them, but not be their rescuer because only God can rescue them.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: But how can I come alongside them as well?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: As a coach who's now went through coaching a little bit with me today and cried and all the things.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: Can you just let others know what it's like?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of my favorite things to talk about.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I do get asked a lot about what my experience is or what I would recommend or how you start a business.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I think if I could put it in a nutshell, I even had a client come to me and go, Can't I just learn everything by reading a lot of Enneagram books?
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you could, but I don't know that I recommend that because the what you guys have done is not only uh taken information from the quality books that are out there, but you have added on that decades of experience of using the tool with real people.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: And you've created a pathway that as a coach, you can guide your people through.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, just being able to have the roadmap of how you help others, first of all, for myself, but how then how can I take that to guide other people?
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then just all the extra little tools that you guys provide, whether it's, I think about make making sure you're a non-anxious presence, how do you begin your coaching sessions?
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: What does it look like to help people who are mistyped and to help them find their type?
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: What does it look like for someone who's stuck, or how do you coach someone to name their parts as we talked about, like naming the wounded child or the beloved child and the wings and the paths and just all those little different things?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've just appreciated that it's loads of information condensed in a way that is digestible, it's attainable to finish and complete, and then to act to utilize.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_02: And that it's not just gonna sit there where like it just as a place to go get information.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's this ongoing organism of learning and where I like all of these years later, I'm still adding to my database.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still leaning from the group, the Facebook group, and the support system through email.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_02: I just I don't just wouldn't want to try to do what I'm doing without the BEC process and without YEC and all the support, all the tools and the ongoing resources that have really been implemented to it as well.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm clearly a big fan and wouldn't do it any other way.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad to hear that because the first when we first did BEC, we didn't have all these resources and tools.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_00: We were very small.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: But then we started to see wow, lots, you know, people need a lot more ongoing resources because things are shifting and changing.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so having the Facebook group community, having ongoing developmental training, resources, all that stuff is so vital so that those that are out there are feeling attuned to and cared for so that they can really bless the next person that they're going to be with.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that is our ultimate goal is that you guys, because it's such a beautiful job.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I know some people are like, Can you really be a coach, like an Enneagram coach?
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Yes, it is like the best job ever.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: What we experienced here today, this is what I get to see all the time, these aha moments, joyful tears, sorrowful tears.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then the internal shift, the paradigm shift that we get to the move in a new trajectory is just so beautiful.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I am always hoping that people that feel called or they have this kind of inclination, is this something I should do?
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just get in there and see.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a free mini course, and I mentioned this at the beginning, but just in case those that weren't there at the beginning, they can get this free three-part mini series where they can see what coaching is like and how to lead and coach others.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: And all they gotta do is go to your indegramcoach.com forward slash mini course to get that, and that will just really get you to understand and to go there.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then we'll have other webinars and different things for those that are interested in coaching to give you more information.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then what we did today, as you Amy, is just taking you through the Enneagram internal profile, which is our new book, which is right up there.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yay! More than your number.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so for those of you that are interested in that, you can pick up the book and kind of dive in.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: The back of the book just has some cheat sheets on your type specifically.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_00: So yep.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_02: You can divide it up right there so you can flip through and find it.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, it just makes it easily accessible and digestible to be able to use on a daily basis.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: So Amy, thank you so much for just being willing to open up vulnerably and transparently and cry.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know as a seven that's for me as a nice thing.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: It feels so big and monumentous.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I think it really helps others to understand that even though crying and feeling that at the moment can start to feel like that straitjacket, ultimately by going through it on the other side, there's clarity and a sense of relief and joy.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so thank you so much for just being willing to go through that process with us.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for being a good guide and leader in it.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm really excited to watch the future sessions coming up that you're gonna be doing today.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_00: You were the first one.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Type seven.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yay!
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Paving the way.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Beth, for everything.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Bye, guys.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, friend, what did you think?
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Could you see yourself doing what Beth does?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: Would you enjoy asking thought-provoking questions and sharing Enneagram wisdom?
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love for you to consider it and pray.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_02: See if that is possibly something God is leading you to pursue, even.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Enneagram coaching is in high demand.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_02: I personally am at my capacity for clients, and I know that this planet needs some more Enneagram coaches and to help others with this amazing tool.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if you feel the nudge to get certified in the Enneagram like I did years ago, you can use my affiliate link that I'm gonna put in the show notes.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: That does bless me financially when you do, but it also gets you some fun bonuses that I will mention here.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's different types of Enneagram certifications available, but I love how your Enneagram coaches certification has a faith-based gospel perspective, which really makes the transformation that much more powerful.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the bonuses that I'll mention here real quickly, I've also put in the show notes, but the main one that I want you to know, if you use my affiliate link, which is really important, I will be gifting you Voxer coaching access with me while you complete your course for accountability, questions, and coaching guidance.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: That is a Tuesday bonus and really beneficial because I really believe in supporting new coaches and those who are wanting to utilize this.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Again, whether it's adding it to your counseling sessions, integrating it in your pastoral care, or maybe you want to begin a coaching business like I am doing.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I've added all the details with the four special bonuses that I'm offering this fall to anyone who uses my affiliate link.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now, these bonuses really make the course experience so much richer and add the support that you need to get a successful coaching business off the ground.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now, next week I'll be back with another special episode.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: It really is different than any other episode that I've shared before.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: I have some clients who went through the Becoming Us coaching process, which if I haven't mentioned before, I'm certified or in an endorsed marriage and family trained by your Enneagram coach.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that means I can take couples through the Becoming Us curriculum, their course, and then I get to be a third party to help guide them through the questions and conversations surrounding material and content.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, a lovely couple was willing to share their experience and their story.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: I so enjoyed working with them, and I think you're gonna be fascinated by their story, all the facets.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: They've been married kind of at that like middle time, I think it was 13, 14 years.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna mess it up now, but they have young kids, a thriving business, and there's so much that they really need support on in this stage of life.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you're gonna love hearing what their experience was like, giving you hope and a vision maybe for whether it's a future marriage or your marriage right now.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a really neat conversation.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_02: So whether you're thinking about becoming a coach, you'll want to tune in to that.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Or if you've thought about getting you and your spouse on board to be doing a becoming us, either an online course or coaching, you'll want to tune in.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Alrighty, friend.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for your simply wholehearted life.