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Sharri | 3 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Bits Sharry Good Evening Tonight a
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Speaker 1: major exclusive Tony Burke told a private meeting of Home
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Speaker 1: Affairs officials that he wouldn't block the return of Isis
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Speaker 1: bride's and he wanted the entire matter kept secret. These
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Speaker 1: are explosive documents. I've got the scoop. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: about it shortly. Relief today after a seventy one year
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Speaker 1: old grandmother was charged over a string of anti Israel graffiti.
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Speaker 1: But should it have been up to the community to
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Speaker 1: catch the alleged culprit Kelly Sloan has been in contact
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Speaker 1: with those who did the surveillance, and she'll join me live.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio makes a
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Speaker 1: fascinating revelation about aliens. I'll bring you his comments with
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Speaker 1: kosher data later, but first to my exclusive that Tony
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Speaker 1: Burke told a private meeting attended by Home Affairs officials
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Speaker 1: he would not block the return of Isis brides and
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Speaker 1: he wanted the whole matter kept out of the media.
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Speaker 1: Explosive government documents revealed that Burke also had a private,
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Speaker 1: closed door discussion with the charity organizing the Isis Bride's repatriation,
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Speaker 1: and he asked Home Affairs officials to leave the room
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Speaker 1: for that conversation. These internal Home Affairs documents, including handwritten notes,
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Speaker 1: are devastating for the Albaneze government. I broke this story
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Speaker 1: this afternoon on the Sky News website. Now, this handwritten
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Speaker 1: note from Home Affair Secretary Stephanie Foster also appears to
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Speaker 1: record Burke saying that assistance would be provided to the
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Speaker 1: Isis brides after they returned to Australia. These extraordinary revelations
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Speaker 1: directly contradict both Burke and Anthony Albanese's repeated claim that
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Speaker 1: they knew nothing about the return of the Isis brides
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Speaker 1: and played no role in it. It indicates now that
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Speaker 1: they misled the public when they initially dismissed media reports
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Speaker 1: that Isis brides were coming home as wrong. Now, just
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Speaker 1: to recall, this is what Albernezi said on the very
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Speaker 1: first day he was asked about this.
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Speaker 2: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety
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Speaker 2: of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 1: Those reports are not accurate. And on the second day
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Speaker 1: he was asked about this again and Labor laughed and
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi even bagged us at Sky News. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: mister speaker.
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Speaker 2: My question is to the Prime Minister and I refer
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Speaker 2: to his answer yesterday where he rejected reports that Isis
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Speaker 2: brides were coming to Australia. Last night Sharry Markson revealed
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Speaker 2: on Sky News that Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson had confirmed
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Police were quote working through that issue
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Speaker 2: with the Commonwealth end quote. Can the Prime Minister explain
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Speaker 2: this contradiction?
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Speaker 3: Thank There is no contradiction between my auntswer yesterday was
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Speaker 3: absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: A report yesterday was wrong.
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Speaker 4: I declared it to be wrong and long may the
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Speaker 4: Opposition continued to get their questions from Sky after dark.
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Speaker 1: Well that was in September. Who's laughing? Now for the truth,
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Speaker 1: we need to go back three months to June. Tony
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Speaker 1: Burke held a meeting on the thirteenth of June this
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Speaker 1: year at ten thirty am in his punch Bowl electorate office.
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Speaker 1: Attending the meeting was the group fighting to bring home
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Speaker 1: the Isis Brides Save the Children. Doctor Jamal Ruthie was
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Speaker 1: also there and a father of a former Isis bride
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Speaker 1: and someone who's helping the campaign, Kamal Duboussi, also attending
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Speaker 1: the meeting was Home Affairs Director Hassan Swet, who sent
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Speaker 1: his colleagues meeting notes of what was discussed. And he
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Speaker 1: sent these meeting notes right afterwards at ten fifty seven am,
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Speaker 1: and in the email he described it as a quick
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Speaker 1: readout from the meeting. So Wade said that Burke opened
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Speaker 1: the meeting and made the following comments and I quote,
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Speaker 1: government doesn't have a plan to get people out of
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Speaker 1: the camps at this time. The thinking is, if people
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Speaker 1: are able to get out, there are no blockages to
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Speaker 1: them returning. So just to take that in, Tony Burke
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Speaker 1: said at a meeting, the thinking is that if people
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Speaker 1: are able to get out of the ISIS camps themselves,
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Speaker 1: there are no blockages to them returning, no blockages from
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke or the Albanezer government to the return of
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Speaker 1: the Isis brides. I mean that is extraordinary goes on.
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Speaker 1: Here's what else Tony Burke said at the meeting. According
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Speaker 1: to the meeting readout from his own Home Affairs official,
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Speaker 1: so Wade said that Tony Burke told the room and
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Speaker 1: I quote the government doesn't want to be perceived to
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Speaker 1: have been paying to have them smuggled out thanked the
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Speaker 1: reps for keeping these cases out of the news. Tony
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Speaker 1: Burke didn't want the perception in the public domain that
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Speaker 1: they paid money to have the Isis brides smuggled out
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Speaker 1: of the camp, and he thanked the representatives from Save
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Speaker 1: the Children for keeping this out of the news. Tony
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Speaker 1: Burke didn't want it made public that the Isis brides
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Speaker 1: were returning. He wanted this kept out of the news.
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Speaker 1: That means he wanted it kept secret. He didn't want
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Speaker 1: you Australians to know about this. Then there's more. Matt
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Speaker 1: Tinkler from Save the Children told the meeting that the
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Speaker 1: Kurdish authorities would permit the Isis brides and their chill
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Speaker 1: ldren to leave the camps if the Albanezy government provided
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Speaker 1: assurances that passpots would be issued were Here's what Burke responded,
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Speaker 1: according to his own official Minister responded that this is
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Speaker 1: not something the government is considering at this time. Minister
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Speaker 1: stated there may be a way to achieve the same
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Speaker 1: outcome without government undertakings, so he's working there with the
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Speaker 1: group who want to bring the Isis brides to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Those words, achieve the same outcomes without government undertakings now.
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Speaker 1: Kamal Debussy then asked to have a private discussion with
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Director. Hassan writes to his
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Speaker 1: colleagues at this stage, I was asked to leave by
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Speaker 1: the Minister to enable a frank discussion to take place.
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Speaker 1: Left the room and Burke then proceeded to have a
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Speaker 1: secret meeting with the organization pushing to bring the isis
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Speaker 1: brides home, with no Home Affairs officials present. It was
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Speaker 1: unminuted and will never know what, if any promises were
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Speaker 1: made at that meeting, but we do know that in August,
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Speaker 1: again before any of this became public, Save the Children
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Speaker 1: sent Tony Burker follow up letter pressing him to issue
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Speaker 1: travel documents. They wrote, a precondition of any US facilitated
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Speaker 1: repatriation will be the children and their carers possess appropriate
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Speaker 1: travel documents, as is their right as Australian citizens. Now,
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Speaker 1: the following paragraphs are blacked out, so we don't know
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Speaker 1: what was written there, but the letter picks up again
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Speaker 1: to say we assume that the government's usual process will
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Speaker 1: be followed in these circumstances, including sending the past spots
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Speaker 1: to a consular point in Irbil to issue. Now, presumably
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Speaker 1: this is what happened or is happening, because we are
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Speaker 1: now expecting the return of the Isis brides and their
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Speaker 1: families in the next little while.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: I spoke with Shadow Home Affairs Minister John O. Dunning
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Speaker 1: Dunham about this. He's going to be on the show
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Speaker 1: a bit later, but he said, it looks like Australians
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Speaker 1: were misled.
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Speaker 5: I think that either the Minister hasn't been clear and
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Speaker 5: direct and open and perhaps honest with the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 5: or indeed the Prime Minister knew exactly what was going on.
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Speaker 5: And this is my fear that everyone inside government, inside
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Speaker 5: the cabinet knew exactly what was going on here.
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Speaker 1: Then here's what's even more worrying. Home Affairs Secretary Stephanie
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Speaker 1: Foster had a meeting with Tony Burke to discuss this issue.
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Speaker 1: She took hand written notes during that meeting, which we
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Speaker 1: now have again. I've got them here, I can show
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Speaker 1: them to you now. Her a note appears to record
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Speaker 1: Burke saying that assistants would be provided to the Isis
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Speaker 1: brides after they returned to Australia. Now it says TB
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Speaker 1: in the column you might be able to see that
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Speaker 1: on your screen if you've got good eyesight. And again,
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Speaker 1: this was a meeting she had with Tony Burke, and
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Speaker 1: then it says help after we've got them home, and
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Speaker 1: the word after, as you can see there is underlined.
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Speaker 1: Now the rest of the documents are heavily redacted. Pages
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Speaker 1: and pages of redacted documents, so this is only a
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Speaker 1: small window into what we know about the Albanezy government's
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Speaker 1: secret discussions about bringing the Isis brides home now. During
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Speaker 1: Senate Estimates in October, Senator James Patterson, who has done
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Speaker 1: an exceptional job this week and every week in Estimates,
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Speaker 1: he asked whether Tony Burke had held a private discussion
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Speaker 1: with Save the Children without a Home Affairs official present.
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Speaker 4: Do you know whether the departmental official at this meeting
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Speaker 4: was asked to leave the meeting at any point?
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Speaker 1: I'm not aware.
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Speaker 5: You don't know whether the minister had a private discussion
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Speaker 5: with Save the Children without the official present.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't at the meeting, Senator, I know.
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Speaker 5: But as it reflected in the notes of the meeting, I.
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Speaker 6: Again, samasor, I can't recall all of the content of
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Speaker 6: the outcomes.
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Speaker 1: So that question was taken on notice and the Department
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Speaker 1: has now this week confirmed and I quote towards the
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Speaker 1: end of the meeting, one of the participants asked for
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Speaker 1: a private meeting with the minister. The outcome of that
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Speaker 1: further discussion is made clear in the attached letter from
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Speaker 1: Save the Children. Now, Tony Burke told me today the
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Speaker 1: notes and the letter, which were discussed in Estimates on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: confirm what the government has always said. There was a
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Speaker 1: request from Save the Children to conduct a repatriation operation.
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Speaker 1: It was refused. There was no repatriation and no assistance.
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Speaker 1: Public servants did what they were legally obliged to do
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Speaker 1: and know more So, that's Tony Burke's response to all
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Speaker 1: that I've revealed tonight. To me, it seems Australians have
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Speaker 1: been severely misled about the nature of the Albanese government's
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Speaker 1: knowledge and involvement in bringing the Isis brides and their
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Speaker 1: families home to Australia. You only have to look at
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Speaker 1: what the Prime Minister said when he was first asked
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Speaker 1: about this in question time. These revelations tonight are a
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Speaker 1: stunning development and the government will need to answer serious
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Speaker 1: questions about this. I'm going to come back to that
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Speaker 1: a bit later with Shadow Home Affairs Minister John o'dunniam
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Speaker 1: So stick around for that because he gets stuck into
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Speaker 1: the government over how they have misled Australians. But let's
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Speaker 1: turn now to the story we brought you last night,
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Speaker 1: the graffiti Granny shoon A Baker. This is the seventy
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Speaker 1: one year old acupuncturist from Rose Bay who's now been
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Speaker 1: charged over six anti Israel graffiti incidents in Sydney's East.
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Speaker 1: The local community was dealing with repeated vandalism for up
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Speaker 1: to six months, and eventually local Jewish residents took matters
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Speaker 1: into their own hands, and on four different nights between
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Speaker 1: August and November, they captured on secret surveillance cameras Barker
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Speaker 1: in the dark early morning hours writing anti Israel slogans
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Speaker 1: on public property, real estate signs and residential buildings. If
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Speaker 1: you missed last night's report, well I recommend you go
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Speaker 1: back and watch it in full. But here's some of
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Speaker 1: what we covered.
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Speaker 4: So I parked the car the night before next to
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Speaker 4: the golf course and sure enough, the next morning it
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Speaker 4: was all recorded.
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Speaker 3: We found her and we filmed her in secret.
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Speaker 7: She was completely unaware that we were onto her, and
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Speaker 7: we got some great footage of her inaction.
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Speaker 1: Hi, it's Shari Maxon here from Sky News. Do you
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Speaker 1: have time for a chat. Well, we've just dawknocked the
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Speaker 1: woman who has been caught on camera. A camera is
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Speaker 1: set up by her neighbors where she's graffited anti Israel's
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Speaker 1: slogans on public property, on real estate signs, on people's
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Speaker 1: residential homes. This has been going on for months. The
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Speaker 1: woman said she knew nothing about it. She wouldn't come
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Speaker 1: downstairs to speak with us, and just before we went
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Speaker 1: to air last night, New South Wales police charged shown
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Speaker 1: a baker with six graffiti offenses and she'll appear and
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Speaker 1: caught on January sixteenth. But many are asking why the
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Speaker 1: local community had to take matters into their own hands
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Speaker 1: and joining me to discuss his New South Wales Liberal
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Speaker 1: leader Kelly Sloan. Kelly, great to see you. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so murray for your time.
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Speaker 8: Nice to be here.
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Speaker 1: Now. I know you were aware of this for some time.
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Speaker 1: You've been in contact with members of the local community
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Speaker 1: who were so upset by this vandalism, and in fact
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Speaker 1: you've been in contact with one of the individuals who
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Speaker 1: set up the surveillance cameras that had this outstanding outcome.
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Speaker 7: I saw them today. They were incredibly relieved. It's been
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Speaker 7: a distressing journey for them, and it is unfortunate that
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Speaker 7: they had to play detective, had to set up their
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Speaker 7: own cameras in order to catch out, you know, the
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Speaker 7: people or the person responsible for this cowardly behavior, this vandalism.
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Speaker 1: Over many months, they've got regular day jobs. These are
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Speaker 1: you know, just upstanding members of the local community. But
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Speaker 1: they were so upset by it that after a month
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Speaker 1: of this, which started in July, they set up their
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Speaker 1: first surveillance camera in August and it was you know,
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Speaker 1: detective work from then on. It do you think it
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Speaker 1: should be up to the community to have to do this?
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Speaker 1: I mean, is it disappointing that I suppose police won't
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Speaker 1: able to step in earlier.
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Speaker 7: Well, we've got incredible local police and I know they've
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Speaker 7: been engaging with the community to make the arrest, to
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Speaker 7: look at the evidence. We would love to think that
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Speaker 7: they could be everywhere in our community. Unfortunately, acts of vandalism,
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Speaker 7: acts of defacing local monuments, local signs, local shops, local houses,
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Speaker 7: has been all too frequent, so we haven't been able
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Speaker 7: to have eyes on every street corner. You know, hats
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Speaker 7: off to the locals who carried out this extraordinary sting
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Speaker 7: and you know, hopefully this is an end for them
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Speaker 7: now because you can imagine the destruction of local property,
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Speaker 7: the avoiding of certain ways when they're walking to school
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Speaker 7: with their kids.
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Speaker 8: Has been a lot. It's felt like harassment.
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Speaker 7: And there are plenty of ways that people can express
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Speaker 7: their political opinions in our country. This is not one
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Speaker 7: of them, under the cover of night with a texture
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Speaker 7: with a pen doing this ongoing harassment.
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Speaker 8: So it's not good enough. But look, I love our
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Speaker 8: local police.
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Speaker 7: They've been very protective of our community, but there's only
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Speaker 7: so much they can do.
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Speaker 1: And they acted very quickly in this instance as well.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you think the men's government should
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Speaker 1: be doing in this area to protect not just this
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Speaker 1: community but others like it.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's up to all political leaders to
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Speaker 7: try to cool the temperature, to stand up for what
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Speaker 7: is right, to call it out when stuff like this happens,
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Speaker 7: and many political leaders have been very vocal, including Chris Min's.
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Speaker 7: I would like to see an end to it. It's
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Speaker 7: still continuing, we're in our second year of unprecedented levels
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Speaker 7: of anti Semitic attacks in our communities and it's important
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Speaker 7: that every community in New South Wales feels safe, feels respected.
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Speaker 8: That is not happening at the moment for the Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: You say we're in our second year of it, and
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Speaker 1: in fact we had the ECAJ, the Executive Council of
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Speaker 1: Alien Juries report out today which showed that it's increased.
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Speaker 1: Incidents of assault, abuse, vandalism and hate messages have increased
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Speaker 1: by five times since October seventy New South Wales there
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Speaker 1: were six hundred and sixty two instances this year alone,
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty eight reported in Victoria. The most
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Speaker 1: common anti Jewish incidents include abuse, which made up six
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one instances nationally. You can see those
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Speaker 1: figures on your screen, followed by posters at three seventy
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Speaker 1: nine and graffiti, and it's actually likely to be even
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Speaker 1: higher because not everyone reports that. You know, some of
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Speaker 1: us feel like, oh, another hate message, and you don't
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Speaker 1: report it because it's become so common.
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Speaker 7: Look, it's pretty shocking, very confronting reading. And one of
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Speaker 7: the statements in this report that stood out to me
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Speaker 7: was that anti Semitism has moved from being on the
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Speaker 7: fringes of society to mainstream and that gives me chills.
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Speaker 7: It's concerning and all the more reason we need to
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Speaker 7: call it out that when reports like this land, we
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Speaker 7: need to talk about it. We need to remind people
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Speaker 7: we can't get used to it. We certainly can't get
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Speaker 7: used to it, and there's no time for complacency.
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Speaker 1: You have been in the job for just under two
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Speaker 1: weeks now as Opposition leader. How are you finding it
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Speaker 1: so far?
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Speaker 8: You know, it's been incredibly energizing.
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Speaker 7: I haven't stopped since I was endorsed by my colleagues
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Speaker 7: as the new Liberal leader and the leader of the Opposition.
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Speaker 7: But I've been out to communities right across Sydney and
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Speaker 7: I'll be out in regional New South Wales in the
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Speaker 7: coming weeks and the feedback has been incredible. Well, whether
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Speaker 7: people vote Liberal or not, they want a really strong
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Speaker 7: opposition and so I've had a very warm reception from people.
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Speaker 7: People want us to be holding the Men's Labor government
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Speaker 7: to account because they feel our state is stalling, is
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Speaker 7: going backwards. Business confidence is low a bit small businesses
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Speaker 7: in this state heading into Christmas with high inflation, with
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Speaker 7: high bills. No new Metro is no ambition for our state,
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Speaker 7: and they're not used to that. New South Wales is
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Speaker 7: meant to be the engine room of the country. So
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Speaker 7: they want a strong opposition and they've been willing me
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Speaker 7: to do that.
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Speaker 1: It must be hard, though, coming up against a premier
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Speaker 1: who is popular. I mean, in many respect would be
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Speaker 1: much easier being the federal opposition leader when you've got
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Speaker 1: a disastrous federal government. But Chris Men's is quite widely
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Speaker 1: well respected and well liked. So how do you deal
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Speaker 1: with that as an opposition leader.
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Speaker 7: Well, I like him and I respect him too, but
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Speaker 7: that doesn't mean I think he's doing the best job
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Speaker 7: he can for our state. It means that I feel
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Speaker 7: that Labor is doing a terrible job of governing this state.
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Speaker 7: In fact, I wouldn't use the word governed. I'd say
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Speaker 7: they're holding office, they're not governing. They're not ambitious for
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Speaker 7: our state. Being nice isn't enough. You need to have
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Speaker 7: bold ideas for our state. You need to address the
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Speaker 7: increasing business cost. You need to have a plan for
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Speaker 7: our hospitals, where they've cut the budget twice in a row,
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Speaker 7: people are waiting longer in emergency departments. Chris Means and
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Speaker 7: Labor have said no to new rail infrastructure. The coalition
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Speaker 7: government over three terms were builders in our state, you know,
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Speaker 7: built hospitals, built rail, energized our state.
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Speaker 8: And it is going backwards.
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Speaker 7: So there's only so long people will appreciate nice that
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Speaker 7: will appreciate the apologies, will appreciate the platitudes. They want
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Speaker 7: a government with a vision and that is the government
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Speaker 7: that I hope to lead after March twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, one of the ideas you've already put forward
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Speaker 1: is addressing the baby recession, the fact that our birth
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Speaker 1: rate is declining. What do you think the most important
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Speaker 1: things are to do that.
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Speaker 7: Well, one of the things that I found deeply sad
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Speaker 7: was when the Men's government came into power, they slashed
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Speaker 7: the IVF freebase. Now that's a small thing. It wasn't
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Speaker 7: a big budget spend, but it did say to people,
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Speaker 7: young couples trying to have families, that we have your back.
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Speaker 7: We need to invest in families because more other research
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Speaker 7: is showing that with cost of living pressures, people are
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Speaker 7: delaying having their families. Every woman has one point four
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Speaker 7: eight babies. It's not enough to replenish our population. A
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Speaker 7: population is in a baby recession, so we need to
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Speaker 7: have family friendly policies to help people feel like they
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Speaker 7: can have a growing family, not empty seats at their
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Speaker 7: kitchen table.
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Speaker 8: I think it's terribly sad.
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Speaker 7: And the other big thing that people have talked to
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Speaker 7: me about is men's mental health, men's health and wellbeing.
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Speaker 7: That has been a big conversation starter in the last
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Speaker 7: couple of weeks as well. We need to look after
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Speaker 7: our blokes. They have big health issues compared to women.
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Speaker 7: Suicide rates are very high, the leading cause of death
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Speaker 7: between eighteen and thirty five year olds for young men
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Speaker 7: twice the age of heart disease. This has been a
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Speaker 7: conversation starter Too's very clear that people want those issues addressed.
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Speaker 1: Really important issues, and it's terrific you're putting them on
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Speaker 1: the agenda. I mean both equally important. But I think
21:49
Speaker 1: we don't talk enough about the falling fertility rate, and
21:52
Speaker 1: yet at the moment our countries relying too much on
21:55
Speaker 1: immigration instead of families having children. It's very important that
22:01
Speaker 1: you are putting this on the agenna for discussion.
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Speaker 7: If we're cutting our immigration rate, we need to have
22:05
Speaker 7: more babies. So let's go back to what Peter Costello
22:07
Speaker 7: said and have one for you, one for your husband,
22:09
Speaker 7: and one for the country.
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Speaker 1: Kelly, thank you so much for being human.
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Speaker 8: Thanks appreciated.
22:15
Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: The alban Eazy government has been criticized by the OECD.
22:19
Speaker 1: They warned that we need fiscal discipline and consolidation as
22:22
Speaker 1: government spending grew zero point eight percent in September. And
22:26
Speaker 1: this comes as National account figures we're released today showing
22:29
Speaker 1: the economy grew at a easily zero point four percent,
22:32
Speaker 1: weaker than expected. And joining me to discuss this and more,
22:36
Speaker 1: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroeger Sky News host
22:40
Speaker 1: Joe Ghildebrand Great disease both, Michael. The government's borrowing hit
22:46
Speaker 1: forty two billion in the September quarter. I mean the
22:49
Speaker 1: spending is extraordinary. What do you think about the state
22:53
Speaker 1: of our economy.
22:56
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's headed for rocky waters. And the
22:59
Speaker 4: principal reason is the Charmers, as I've always said, is
23:01
Speaker 4: too weak a person to be treasurer. He wants to
23:03
Speaker 4: be Prime Minister. He wants to be liked and therefore
23:06
Speaker 4: he won't take hard decisions. But your numbers are right.
23:09
Speaker 4: I mean, between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty nine,
23:13
Speaker 4: the gross stat in this country goes from nine hundred
23:15
Speaker 4: billion to one point three trillion, approaching one point three trillion.
23:22
Speaker 4: Adam Crichton wrote a brilliant article in The Australia this morning
23:25
Speaker 4: where he talked about the money supply, which is the
23:27
Speaker 4: money of the government issues you know, notes, dollars and coins. Well,
23:31
Speaker 4: it increased seven point three percent this year, six point
23:34
Speaker 4: seven percent the year before. What does that mean. It
23:36
Speaker 4: means the government's printed four hundred and ten billion dollars
23:40
Speaker 4: worth of new money as well to pump into the
23:44
Speaker 4: economy and well above, well above the average. You've got
23:48
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty billion dollars worth of budget deficits
23:51
Speaker 4: coming in the next three years. Again, in the period
23:54
Speaker 4: twenty four to twenty nine, the government's increasing revenues one
23:57
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty billion. It's spending two hundred billion. I
24:00
Speaker 4: mean the numbers, these numbers are terrible. You've got more
24:02
Speaker 4: than eighty percent of the new jobs in Australia recently
24:06
Speaker 4: been created in the public sector. You've got the Indie
24:08
Speaker 4: ice out of control, You've got massive offs balance sheet, expenditure,
24:13
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. You just look at the gross debt.
24:15
Speaker 4: That's what I look at these days. I look at
24:17
Speaker 4: the gross debt to tell me how the country's going.
24:19
Speaker 4: And it's it's shocking, right, It's the worst ever. And
24:23
Speaker 4: Charmers is a man completely out of his depth, Joe.
24:27
Speaker 1: I mean, the picture of Michael Paints is dire, but
24:31
Speaker 1: it could be even worse than that because families are
24:33
Speaker 1: now bracing for interest rate rises that if there is,
24:38
Speaker 1: you know, a movement by the IBA, it's more likely
24:40
Speaker 1: to be a rise now than a cut.
24:42
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, And as a big mortgage holder myself,
24:45
Speaker 9: that is something I'm certainly not looking forward to.
24:48
Speaker 1: We're telling your mate albow Joe so much.
24:52
Speaker 9: The PM can't just wave a magic wand and make
24:55
Speaker 9: the economy do what he says it has to. The
24:59
Speaker 9: golf with tried that and it didn't work. Yeah, Look,
25:02
Speaker 9: they can cut spending. I think they will cut spending. Obviously,
25:04
Speaker 9: in the lead up to an election, the government's going
25:06
Speaker 9: to be a bit looser with its per strings than afterwards.
25:09
Speaker 9: It's got a lot of political capital now where it
25:12
Speaker 9: can take tough decisions I think it's indicated that it's
25:14
Speaker 9: going to cut a couple a couple of tens of
25:17
Speaker 9: thousands of public servants. There's a streamlining of the Defense
25:21
Speaker 9: Department that was announced just this week, so hopefully that
25:25
Speaker 9: will be a blueprint for some other efficiencies across the
25:27
Speaker 9: public service, spending less money on big fat corporate consultancies
25:32
Speaker 9: and more money on or rather just getting the people
25:35
Speaker 9: who are in the public servants to do the jobs
25:37
Speaker 9: that they are supposed to. I think the ndis that
25:40
Speaker 9: Michael raises that is one of those things that can
25:42
Speaker 9: get very out of control very quickly. Bill Shorten was
25:46
Speaker 9: very hardline and very strong. He was hard headed when
25:50
Speaker 9: it came to acknowledging what needed to be done. That's
25:53
Speaker 9: an incredibly fraught area to do these things, because you're
25:56
Speaker 9: basically talking about, you know, not giving money to disable
25:59
Speaker 9: people is a terrible look. But they have to be
26:02
Speaker 9: able to make those hard decisions and I think that
26:05
Speaker 9: probably should be a minister from the right of the
26:07
Speaker 9: party rather than the left.
26:09
Speaker 1: Look, we often speak on this show, and particularly with you, Michael,
26:13
Speaker 1: about the lies in the Labour's election campaign and what
26:18
Speaker 1: helped them win. Maddie scare was the biggest, but there
26:20
Speaker 1: were others as well. Now, mostly the argument has been
26:24
Speaker 1: that the Liberals need to go negative as well, that
26:26
Speaker 1: perhaps they should be running these scare campaigns. But Michael,
26:29
Speaker 1: you've got another idea on this. Tell us so look.
26:34
Speaker 4: All my political life, which now sadly goes over fifty years.
26:38
Speaker 4: The Liberal Party has this internal integrity. It's got an
26:42
Speaker 4: honesty button where it just won't tell lies or exaggerate
26:46
Speaker 4: during election campaigns. It feels has got to tell the truth.
26:49
Speaker 4: Whereas what we see in labor is just the shocking lives.
26:52
Speaker 4: I mean, was going to cut we saw that terrible
26:54
Speaker 4: air the other night. Dun't was going to cut, slash
26:56
Speaker 4: and burn the public service. Hello, as you've just mentioned,
26:59
Speaker 4: that's EXAs what Labour's going to be doing. I mean,
27:02
Speaker 4: these people are masters, are just telling lies, and so
27:06
Speaker 4: I think it's time for there to be If I
27:08
Speaker 4: were the coalition, federally and state wise, you've got to
27:11
Speaker 4: start bringing in truth in political advertising legislation. I mean,
27:16
Speaker 4: no company director, no company director could run for office
27:21
Speaker 4: saying reelect me, I'm going to increase the dividend two
27:23
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five dollars a year and induce people
27:27
Speaker 4: to vote for him or her on that basis, then
27:28
Speaker 4: afterwards say sorry, the numbers were on the the research
27:32
Speaker 4: was I was lying on someone else's figures. I mean,
27:35
Speaker 4: nowhere in corporate Australia can you do what politicians do
27:39
Speaker 4: and we're stuck with this shocking cycle of exaggeration and lies.
27:44
Speaker 4: An election campaign shouldn't be just about mark who is
27:47
Speaker 4: the better marketer? Labor the better marketers. Let's be honest.
27:50
Speaker 4: You know what was nuclear six hundred billion? Albore immediately
27:55
Speaker 4: goes to the most extreme level. Button's going to slash
27:58
Speaker 4: and burn Matthew Guy vic Tory, he was going to slash.
28:01
Speaker 4: There's no evidence for any of this stuff. But what
28:03
Speaker 4: Labor do is that they just lie repeatedly and there's
28:07
Speaker 4: no consequence, you know, cutting five billion in student debt.
28:11
Speaker 4: But there should be a health warning now there is
28:13
Speaker 4: in gambling ads. There's always a health warning at the bottom.
28:16
Speaker 4: There should be truth and political advertising ads have to
28:19
Speaker 4: be approved and also at the end of every ad
28:23
Speaker 4: it should have why what is the effect on the
28:26
Speaker 4: budget of these election promises? Because otherwise the public have
28:31
Speaker 4: got no idea.
28:33
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating idea. But Joe, who would decide who's
28:37
Speaker 1: telling the truth? And then where's the line between spin
28:42
Speaker 1: and exaggeration and fact. We've seen how the government can
28:48
Speaker 1: misuse the term misinformation. We've seen that on many occasions.
28:53
Speaker 9: That's right. I Suddenly you're talking about the government, or
28:55
Speaker 9: presumably an independent statutory body like the Electoral Commission, deciding
28:59
Speaker 9: what is truth and what is untruth, and that is again,
29:02
Speaker 9: that is a misinformation lord. So I think that would
29:04
Speaker 9: be very dangerous. Just to take Michael's point, the truth
29:07
Speaker 9: is that the government, you know, it doesn't actually lie.
29:11
Speaker 9: What it does is what I utemistically called tactical obfuscation.
29:16
Speaker 9: But when you talk about like the example you raised
29:19
Speaker 9: the six hundred million dollar six hundred million dollar I'm
29:21
Speaker 9: sorry for the coalition's nuclear bill, that's not a lie.
29:25
Speaker 9: That was just the upper end of an estimate that
29:27
Speaker 9: went from about one hundred and something billion to six
29:29
Speaker 9: hundred million billion. So of course Labor is going to
29:32
Speaker 9: use the higher number. The problem is that the coalition
29:35
Speaker 9: was caught flat footed and wasn't able to robustly counter
29:39
Speaker 9: that in a clear way that cut through to voters.
29:42
Speaker 9: Another example was when John Howard went to I think
29:45
Speaker 9: was the two thousand and seven election saying who do
29:47
Speaker 9: you trust to keep interest rates low? Now, that wasn't
29:50
Speaker 9: a lie because it was about who people trusted, but
29:53
Speaker 9: it gave the impression that the federal government was in
29:56
Speaker 9: control of interest rates, not the RBA, and that they
29:59
Speaker 9: would keep them low. Again, that was a great line
30:02
Speaker 9: that resonated with people, and unfortunately, I think there was
30:04
Speaker 9: an interest rate height during the campaign that sealed his fate.
30:07
Speaker 7: But but.
30:08
Speaker 9: You know, again, if you there's a difference between really
30:11
Speaker 9: smart political messaging that takes the weak spot of an
30:14
Speaker 9: opponent and drives that home and telling a lie. And
30:18
Speaker 9: if a political party can't actually preempt those attacks and
30:23
Speaker 9: understand where its own weaknesses are and be able to
30:26
Speaker 9: counterstrike to defend attacks against those, as well as identifying
30:30
Speaker 9: and attacking their opponent's own weaknesses, frankly, they shouldn't be
30:34
Speaker 9: in the game.
30:35
Speaker 4: Joe, Joe, we have courts in this country.
30:38
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you know this.
30:39
Speaker 4: Every single day, judges and magistrates decide right from wrong, falsome,
30:44
Speaker 4: misleading statements from true statements, liars from honest people. We've
30:48
Speaker 4: been doing this for a couple of centuries made. So
30:51
Speaker 4: if you have an electoral commission, a saturary body, whatever,
30:54
Speaker 4: that basically says it, well, it doesn't.
30:57
Speaker 9: Happen to repeal takes people to call it like a
30:59
Speaker 9: purple sign in Chinese that said, you know, I don't
31:02
Speaker 9: vote for this guy.
31:04
Speaker 4: After all, those things are after the event. I mean
31:06
Speaker 4: the fake Telstra messages that you send out, your mob
31:10
Speaker 4: sent out during the twenty sixteen campaign.
31:12
Speaker 9: Idea that was certainly not and I was very, very
31:16
Speaker 9: big breathing of that.
31:17
Speaker 4: In a modern first world country, to behave like the
31:21
Speaker 4: politicians behave, and to let this run rampant, it's an
31:25
Speaker 4: embarrassment to our country. No company director can make a
31:28
Speaker 4: fossil misleading statement. I'm charged by astic and they can
31:30
Speaker 4: prosecute and go to jail. They'll lose their corporate career.
31:33
Speaker 4: And the corporate world is alittered with directors and boards
31:36
Speaker 4: who were who lost their jobs for you know, fossil
31:39
Speaker 4: misleading statements hanging on one or two words.
31:42
Speaker 8: This is.
31:44
Speaker 4: Why your mob lion cheat, Your great mates lion cheat
31:47
Speaker 4: every single election, and and of course they scare the public,
31:52
Speaker 4: treat them like muppets.
31:55
Speaker 3: Out.
31:56
Speaker 9: The Liberal Party is equally the Liberal Party is equally
31:59
Speaker 9: putting out out misleading or information that is ultimately damaging.
32:04
Speaker 8: They have done it.
32:05
Speaker 9: There's been a countless What about the material that was
32:07
Speaker 9: put around in the seat of lindsay just a few
32:10
Speaker 9: elections of God? What about those Chinese language.
32:12
Speaker 1: Posts are referred to? But I think I'm saying it
32:14
Speaker 1: later was going out?
32:15
Speaker 9: What about materials? Everybody introduced a death tax.
32:19
Speaker 4: It should apply to everybody, Joe, but everybody speaking about it.
32:25
Speaker 1: He decided the text message of the.
32:27
Speaker 4: Country right, clear up the country.
32:29
Speaker 9: If it dependent decides on that six hundred million figure shape,
32:32
Speaker 9: you should have gone with the lower estimate.
32:34
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's continue this conversation over the coming weeks.
32:38
Speaker 1: Michael Kroger, Jeff Rand, thank you for your time. Now
32:42
Speaker 1: still to calm the shadow Home Affairs Minister demands answers
32:45
Speaker 1: from Tony Burke over our exclusive story on his secret
32:49
Speaker 1: meeting where he said he wouldn't block the return of
32:51
Speaker 1: Isis Brides. That's coming up and is gentle parenting to
32:56
Speaker 1: blame for plummeting school attendance rates? That's after this quick
33:00
Speaker 1: break Welcome back. Very concerning school attendance Starter was released today.
33:08
Speaker 1: School children went to class nine out of ten times
33:12
Speaker 1: only sixty two percent of the year, and this is
33:15
Speaker 1: down from the pre pandemic level of seventy three percent
33:18
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. And according to the Australian Education experts
33:23
Speaker 1: are blaming the gentle parenting trend and a lack of resilience.
33:28
Speaker 1: Now principles say if poor attendance is left unchecked, Australia
33:32
Speaker 1: will have a workplace that turns up only eighty nine
33:36
Speaker 1: percent of the time. And former New Southwis Police Encounter
33:40
Speaker 1: terrorist and minister David Elliott joins me. Now, David, these
33:43
Speaker 1: figures are obviously worrying. Sixty two percent of children are
33:47
Speaker 1: attending school a majority of the time. Is that down
33:50
Speaker 1: to truancy or gentle parenting or a combination of both?
33:54
Speaker 1: Do you think I.
33:55
Speaker 10: Think it's the latter. I mean, when we were kids,
33:57
Speaker 10: if you skipped school and I did once, and I
33:58
Speaker 10: got whacked at school and then worked at home, and
34:01
Speaker 10: I think that's the problem. There are no parameters anymore.
34:04
Speaker 10: And when I was the Minister of Juvenile Justice, it
34:06
Speaker 10: was quite clear that kids kids actually benefited from more
34:10
Speaker 10: parameters when when when they were given discipline, when there
34:13
Speaker 10: were diversion programs made available for them, they actually then succeeded.
34:18
Speaker 10: And this gentle parroting model is and of course we've
34:21
Speaker 10: we've given them a lot of rights, children, a lot
34:23
Speaker 10: of rights, and some of them for good reason because
34:25
Speaker 10: there was, you know, there was this culture of child abuse.
34:28
Speaker 10: But it is a big concern that they're without these parameters,
34:31
Speaker 10: without without these rules, they are just essentially living their
34:37
Speaker 10: own life.
34:37
Speaker 1: And I now know among parents there's such a thing
34:39
Speaker 1: as her fevorine at home though there's a mental health day.
34:42
Speaker 1: You know your child does feel like going to school,
34:44
Speaker 1: Maybe give them a mental health.
34:46
Speaker 9: Day, that's great.
34:46
Speaker 10: And what sort of example are we saying to them
34:48
Speaker 10: that if things get tough where you can just walk away,
34:50
Speaker 10: that's that's that's certainly not something that's going to breed
34:54
Speaker 10: a healthy life style when they get older.
34:56
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this story that I
34:58
Speaker 1: spoke about at the start of the program to the
35:00
Speaker 1: ISIS bride's issue. Now I'm going to come back to
35:03
Speaker 1: it with John o'dunian, But what I want to ask you,
35:05
Speaker 1: so you were former Counted Terrorism minister, there have been
35:09
Speaker 1: a cohort of ISIS brides before I understand they were
35:11
Speaker 1: the least problematic cohort. What advice were you guys given
35:16
Speaker 1: from the intelligence agencies about them?
35:19
Speaker 10: Well, all the critical, all the credible advice that we
35:22
Speaker 10: got was to be very very cautious with returning foreign
35:25
Speaker 10: fighters and particularly ISIS brides. There was no evidence at
35:30
Speaker 10: all that any of them had been de radicalized. Most
35:33
Speaker 10: of them had children that had no concept of Australian values,
35:36
Speaker 10: let alone the thought to live within those values. They
35:41
Speaker 10: had been they had lived and had been exposed to
35:44
Speaker 10: a dogma that was a very very dangerous one and
35:47
Speaker 10: would never ever be consistent with the Australian way of life.
35:51
Speaker 10: And so unless unless Tony Burke is getting new updated
35:56
Speaker 10: intelligence advice from the same people that gave it gave
35:59
Speaker 10: it to who were the very jectlie in bed governments,
36:02
Speaker 10: well then I'm very very concerned at this secrecy culture
36:05
Speaker 10: because people need to know who's living in their suburbs.
36:09
Speaker 1: Absolutely, those are incredible remarks. Thank you for sharing that
36:12
Speaker 1: with us. Look, as a from a police minister, you
36:15
Speaker 1: must have had a reaction to the revelation the front
36:17
Speaker 1: page exclusive in the Daily Telegraph today that the Police
36:21
Speaker 1: Minister now yas mccutley's driver was found to be over
36:25
Speaker 1: the limit while he was on the job. He was
36:27
Speaker 1: waiting to pick her up quite a lot over the
36:30
Speaker 1: limit as well. He blew zero point one eight three
36:33
Speaker 1: three and a half times the legal limit.
36:36
Speaker 10: What's your reaction, Well, that's a steady effort. I'm actually
36:39
Speaker 10: quite shocked, having been he is exposed to that driver's
36:42
Speaker 10: pool in New South Wales Parliament. I never ever ever
36:45
Speaker 10: saw that sort of behavior. They obviously couldn't say the
36:48
Speaker 10: same about most of the ministers, but I'm very, very
36:51
Speaker 10: concerned that this would this would occur. And the tragedy
36:54
Speaker 10: for the Minister, of course, is she's going into a
36:56
Speaker 10: period where her and the Commissioner should be talking about
36:58
Speaker 10: safe driving, should be people that they need to plan
37:01
Speaker 10: be will be talking about. They'll be quizzed over the
37:04
Speaker 10: very very high road toll that we have at the moment.
37:07
Speaker 10: It's one of the highest in living memories, and so
37:10
Speaker 10: she's going to be she's going to be distracted and
37:12
Speaker 10: she'll be infuriated by that. I don't think we should
37:15
Speaker 10: be pointing the finger at her. She should not be
37:17
Speaker 10: blame for this. She hasn't done anything wrong at all.
37:20
Speaker 10: But she has every reason to be furious at the
37:23
Speaker 10: way that the road safety campaign that December all ways
37:27
Speaker 10: and tracks will be completely diverted.
37:29
Speaker 1: David Elliott, great to have you on the show first time.
37:31
Speaker 1: I think, thank you very much.
37:32
Speaker 7: I thank.
37:34
Speaker 1: Now still to come. Secretary of State Mico Rubio ways
37:37
Speaker 1: into the debate about aliens as in extraterrestrial aliens and
37:41
Speaker 1: shadow home affairs. Minister demand's answers from Tony Burke over
37:45
Speaker 1: our revelations tonight on ISIS rides. That's next, welcome back.
37:52
Speaker 1: US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has told journalist Michael Schellenberger, well,
37:57
Speaker 1: he's told a documentary that he believes technology has been
38:01
Speaker 1: recovered and given to private military contractors. So in the
38:05
Speaker 1: film The Age of Disclosure, he hinted at the existence
38:08
Speaker 1: of aliens. Have a look.
38:10
Speaker 3: I was describing the allegations that people have come forward with.
38:13
Speaker 3: They have people that came forward to us. You know,
38:15
Speaker 3: some of these people were navy pilots, admirals, generals, whatever
38:18
Speaker 3: that would come forward and say that there were programs
38:22
Speaker 3: in the US government that not even presidents were made
38:24
Speaker 3: aware of. So I was describing what people had said
38:26
Speaker 3: to me not things that I have firsthand knowledge of.
38:28
Speaker 3: In that regard, A little worry most about just me personally,
38:31
Speaker 3: is that some adversary, another country, for example, has developed
38:36
Speaker 3: some asymmetric capability for surveillance or the like, that we
38:39
Speaker 3: just are not prepared for something operating in the airspace
38:43
Speaker 3: over restricted nuclear facilities. Even presidents have been operating on
38:48
Speaker 3: a need to know basis that some people claimed that
38:50
Speaker 3: were costing their lives, and they spoke out about these things.
38:54
Speaker 1: The Sky News contributor Kosher Guida joins me. Now, so
38:57
Speaker 1: Kosha explained to us what rubio Is position was in
39:00
Speaker 1: this documentary and how significant it is.
39:06
Speaker 6: It certainly feels significant, I think, you know, for the
39:09
Speaker 6: main reason that Rubio is a very serious person, very
39:11
Speaker 6: credible person, and just putting his name and face to
39:14
Speaker 6: this discussion, you know, lends a lot of credibility to it,
39:17
Speaker 6: but more specifically what he's getting into, because I think
39:20
Speaker 6: there's so much interest in it inherently that it sort
39:22
Speaker 6: of takes on a life of its own. If you
39:24
Speaker 6: look at what he was actually saying, he's basically stipulating
39:27
Speaker 6: that they are very very high level, very credible people.
39:29
Speaker 6: Thirty four people in this documentary and others that he
39:32
Speaker 6: has heard from or seen records or reporting of and
39:35
Speaker 6: hearings and other venues official venues that are saying there
39:39
Speaker 6: are these UAPs, which is unidentified aerial phenomenon out there
39:43
Speaker 6: in the sky that we do not understand and do
39:46
Speaker 6: not match any known technology by the United States government. Now,
39:49
Speaker 6: that could be natural phenomenon, it could be an adversarial actor,
39:54
Speaker 6: like he said over there China, people like that come
39:56
Speaker 6: to mind. It could be a private actor, or maybe
39:58
Speaker 6: it is extraterrestrial sort of just saying that they're very smart,
40:01
Speaker 6: credible people saying this, we.
40:02
Speaker 1: Should take it seriously.
40:03
Speaker 6: The other big piece of it that is intertwined with
40:05
Speaker 6: that is he's talking about disclosure and transparency and this
40:09
Speaker 6: idea that there is this eighty year program that was
40:11
Speaker 6: alluded to there and talked about in this documentary, that
40:14
Speaker 6: even presidents are kept in the dark on sort of
40:17
Speaker 6: on a need to know basis. That is very troubling
40:20
Speaker 6: because you've got these secret sort of programs and who
40:22
Speaker 6: knows what they know or don't know as a broader
40:24
Speaker 6: matter of transparency, And I think that's the other piece
40:26
Speaker 6: of this that he seems to be really pushing for
40:28
Speaker 6: and saying that we should be in this age of
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Speaker 6: disclosure and demand more transparency, more information sharing from governments,
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Speaker 6: and less secrecy.
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Speaker 1: So do you think we are going to have any
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Speaker 1: more official presidential announcement from the White House on this topic,
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Speaker 1: because it did seem to be what Maca. Rubio was
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Speaker 1: hinting at.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and other credible people like Michael Schellenberger, you mentioned
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Speaker 6: Toolsea Gabbard, They've all been sort of hinting and teasing
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Speaker 6: about this, and so we all want it. On the
40:59
Speaker 6: other hand, people are still very burned on everything from
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Speaker 6: the Epstein files to this, that we're not really getting
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Speaker 6: the transparency we would hope, even though this administration is
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Speaker 6: more transparent, is committed to it. So I don't know
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Speaker 6: what that's going to look like, but it seems to
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Speaker 6: be sort of at least accelerating, and they're just more
41:15
Speaker 6: and more serious people lending credence to this and saying
41:18
Speaker 6: that there is something out there, and even if it
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Speaker 6: is adversarial craft or the Chinese have some sort of
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Speaker 6: technology that we don't know about, let's kind of get
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Speaker 6: that out. But I would be reticent to say that
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Speaker 6: it's going to happen.
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Speaker 8: I'm skeptical.
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Speaker 1: I just want to turn to this drama about Trump
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Speaker 1: or his team using a song from the pop star
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Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter. Have a look at the video. Have you
41:47
Speaker 1: ever tried this one? Have you ever tried this one?
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Speaker 5: Have you ever tried this one?
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Speaker 1: So kaisher, What has been Sabrina Carpet's response to it?
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Speaker 1: And people who don't know her, she often does the
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Speaker 1: pre act to Taylor Swift, so quite a big young audience.
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Speaker 1: What's been her response? And how has the White House
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Speaker 1: in turn responded?
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Speaker 6: So she came out and many other artists have done
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Speaker 6: this ever since Trump entered the political scene, saying get
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Speaker 6: my music out of your content and don't use it
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Speaker 6: as part of a quote inhumane agenda, referring of course,
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Speaker 6: to his mass deportation agenda and immigration agenda more broadly.
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Speaker 6: And I think that the deputy White House Press Secretary
42:31
Speaker 6: responded with a statement that he used a lot of
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Speaker 6: her lyrics from her other songs, sort of in a
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Speaker 6: way to trivialize it or kind of poke fun, as
42:39
Speaker 6: only the Trump administration does. I think on a more
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Speaker 6: serious matter, if they have the licensing rights, if they've
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Speaker 6: procured the proper licensing rights from the distribution the record
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Speaker 6: label of the songs. Legally, I think they're allowed to
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Speaker 6: use it even if she personally doesn't like them. But
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Speaker 6: I'm sure they could just as easily take the song
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Speaker 6: out as well and move on to another one.
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Speaker 1: He's even used the song a couple of Taylor Swift's
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Speaker 1: song recently. So there you go, Kosher, thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for your time and insights. As always, all right
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Speaker 1: after the break, Shadow Home Affairs Minister demands answers from
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke over Isis Brides. That's next. Well, let's return
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Speaker 1: to our top exclusive tonight that Tony Burke told a
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Speaker 1: private meeting attended by Homer Fairs officials that he would
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Speaker 1: not block the return of Isis Brides. I spoke about
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Speaker 1: this with Shadow Home Affairs Minister John o'duniam a little earlier. Jonathan,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Look, these documents
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Speaker 1: are quite extraordinary. How significant is it in your view
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Speaker 1: that Tony Burke said in a private meeting that he
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Speaker 1: wouldn't block the return of Isis Brides.
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Speaker 5: I think this is a startling and concerning revelation. Sherry,
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Speaker 5: I have to say I think it raises more questions
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Speaker 5: than answers, and certainly blows out of the water the
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Speaker 5: assurances provided by the Minister, the Prime Minister and other
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Speaker 5: ministers in this government that no assistance was provided. I
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Speaker 5: think it really does bring out some concerns we've held
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Speaker 5: all along that this government was being loosely the truth
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Speaker 5: and secretive about something as important as dealing with a
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Speaker 5: cohort like this, which frankly speaking, a lot of Australians
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Speaker 5: would agree is a group of people that may have
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Speaker 5: an impact on our national security. So why the Minister
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Speaker 5: and the government was so forward leaning in being happy
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Speaker 5: to work with groups that might want to bring this
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Speaker 5: cohort back into Australia is something the Minister's going to
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Speaker 5: have to now clear up. But when his own Home
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Speaker 5: Affair Secretary, in her own handwriting, is confirming that this
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Speaker 5: is the approach the Minister was taking, all of the
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Speaker 5: things they've said about not facilitating, not supporting, not helping
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Speaker 5: in any way beyond what he's required by law now
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Speaker 5: is drawn into question and sounds like he wasn't quite
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Speaker 5: the truth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk some more about that. Handwritten note
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Speaker 1: from Stephanie Foster so in it she says help given
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Speaker 1: up after their return and the word after is underlined.
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Speaker 1: So it does seem to be the case that the
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Speaker 1: Albanezy government and in particular Tony Burke, was planning to
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Speaker 1: help the ISIS brides after they were back in Australia.
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Speaker 1: This is something the government never made public.
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Speaker 5: This is the thing. It's these details which I think
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Speaker 5: Australians deserve to know back at the time, and indeed,
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Speaker 5: where as a Parliament we're asking direct questions about So
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Speaker 5: the fact is they wanted to keep it out of
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Speaker 5: the headlines. They wanted to keep this as quiet as possible,
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Speaker 5: hush hush, because they knew there was something wrong with
45:37
Speaker 5: the approach that they were taking. So the minister clearly
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Speaker 5: and directly was seeking to subvert the gazing eyes of
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Speaker 5: the media and avoid scrutiny so that there weren't questions asked,
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Speaker 5: so that people could be lulled into a full sense
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Speaker 5: of security. But these notes, thank god for democracy and
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Speaker 5: transparency doing its work here, have revealed exactly what was
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Speaker 5: in the minister's head and what he was seeking to
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Speaker 5: do as the Minister for Home Affairs in partnership with
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Speaker 5: third parties to get a group of people here that
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Speaker 5: I think many Australians will have some very big concerns about.
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Speaker 1: The Other major revelation is that one of the campaigners
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Speaker 1: helping Save the Children to try and bring the ISIS
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Speaker 1: brides back to Australia, at one point the Home Affairs
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Speaker 1: official was asked to leave the room so that this
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Speaker 1: figure could have a private, secret discussion with Tony Burke.
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Speaker 1: Does that worry you?
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Speaker 5: Of course that is a worrying thing. I mean it's
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Speaker 5: one thing to ask an official when you're talking about
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Speaker 5: I don't know, a forestry project to leave the room
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Speaker 5: so that someone can talk about a commercial and confidence matter.
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Speaker 5: But we're talking about national security here, Sharry. This is
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Speaker 5: not just some random issue that can be dealt with
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Speaker 5: any other day of the week. This is an important
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Speaker 5: issue and do want to have secret discussions, Frank as
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Speaker 5: they're referred to in that document you've just mentioned, I
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Speaker 5: think is very concerning and read together with the points
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Speaker 5: made in the handwritten note by Secretary Foster and other
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Speaker 5: elements of the note you've referred to, which of course
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Speaker 5: has ten pages of redacted notes attached to it, I
47:16
Speaker 5: think there is something very very fishy about this incredibly
47:19
Speaker 5: concerning and again further goes to the point that they
47:22
Speaker 5: were just simply trying to keep this out of the
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Speaker 5: public domain until such time as they'd achieved their outcome,
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Speaker 5: in the hopes that we wouldn't raise any concerns in
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Speaker 5: the public. Again, national security is of utmost importance to
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Speaker 5: all Australians, and to have a secretive approach taken by
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Speaker 5: a minister where you're excluding public officials, no doubt with
47:45
Speaker 5: top secret security clearance from meetings, I think does speak
47:48
Speaker 5: to some very concerning developments here. And frankly, given those
47:53
Speaker 5: claims that there was nothing to see here, that no
47:56
Speaker 5: assistance was being provided, that they weren't going to go
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Speaker 5: greenlight this group of people in any sort of illegitimate way,
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Speaker 5: I think those claims have been blown out of the
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Speaker 5: water now and the Minister must now explain with these
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Speaker 5: revelations exactly how the people of Australia in this Parliament
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Speaker 5: weren't misled by he and his colleagues in the cabinet.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to focus on that point of
48:19
Speaker 1: whether the Albanezy government did mislead Australians. I mean, you
48:23
Speaker 1: think back to that very first day when the story
48:26
Speaker 1: broke on the front page of The Australian that the
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Speaker 1: ISIS brides were set to return to Australia, and then
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Speaker 1: in question Time the Prime Minister, in response to a
48:35
Speaker 1: question from Susan Lee said that those reports were wrong. Well,
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Speaker 1: now we have all this information, including our exclusive tonight,
48:43
Speaker 1: does it look to you like the Prime Minister misled
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Speaker 1: the Parliament.
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Speaker 5: Someone's misled someone here and I think that either the
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Speaker 5: Minister hasn't been clear and direct and open and perhaps
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Speaker 5: honest with the Prime Minister, or indeed the Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: knew exactly what was going on. And this is my
49:01
Speaker 5: fear that everyone inside government, inside the cabinet knew exactly
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Speaker 5: what was going on here and they were just hoping
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Speaker 5: the issue would go away. They could fob off the
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Speaker 5: questions like the one Susan Lee asked about this cohort
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Speaker 5: and what assistance was being provided, and they could shut
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Speaker 5: it down until, of course they'd done the job. It's
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Speaker 5: clear these notes are making it very clear for anyone
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Speaker 5: who reads them, and I hope people do. They're now
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Speaker 5: in the public domain, that there was secret operations underway here.
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Speaker 5: These meetings build the cat on that the government had
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Speaker 5: an aim and so now it's for the minister to
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Speaker 5: explain how what was said, and indeed the Prime Minister
49:38
Speaker 5: to explain what was said those reports are inaccurate, how
49:42
Speaker 5: they measure up or marry up with? Now what the
49:44
Speaker 5: facts are exposed here in these letters that have been
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Speaker 5: released in response to questions on notice.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Dunniam, thank you very much. You really appreciate your time, Sherry,
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much. The government has a lot to answer here.
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Speaker 1: We will keep at them, keeping investigating and scrutinizing this
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Speaker 1: topic as we have been for months. I'll see you
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Speaker 1: on Monday. I'm not here tomorrow night. Here's for Murray.