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When Senior Dogs Need Us Most · Every Pawprint! Every Story!

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  SPEAKER_00: Good afternoon, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Every Podcast, every podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm a stopbart, every pop run, every story.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am your host, and pop of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long week, so I'm excited to kind of jump into this with Angela Angela.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, what for you new listeners, what this show is about is it's about our fur kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: We typically invite family, friends, colleagues, associates on the show to talk about the pets in our lives, dogs, cats, really that the importance of having them in our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully, in some of these episodes, you'll laugh.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have some funny stories of rituals, routines.
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  SPEAKER_00: You may cry.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do talk about pet loss on occasion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, hopefully, you will feel inspired.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you'll get inspired with today's show.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll get into that here in a second, but also supported along the journey, whatever journey and path in life you are with your fur kid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that actually might align a little bit more as we get into this show.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited to welcome Angela Ardalino.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did I get that right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You did, you got it right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, from Northern California, Wine Country Sonoma.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh welcome to the show, Angela.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me on.
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  SPEAKER_00: So excited.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll do a little uh a teaser and we'll come back more towards it to the end.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh we'll talk a little about your specialty and and what you've been doing today with with really the aging elder pets and um really around cognition.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any any like quick tidbit on that before we kind of go back to talking just about the the current fur kids?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I do what I do because I think dogs are the best.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um when I lost my soul dog Odie, I had never felt such a loss in my life before and had no idea.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like literally was like, what the heck?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I even lost other animals and other dogs, and um it was because I realized that he gave me unconditional love.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I realized, you know, I help so many pet parents every single day, and they're getting the same thing from their dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes that's the only time we get unconditional love is from our dogs, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So to me, I am uh here to help and advocate for animals, especially dogs, um, because they in turn help us so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll get to Odie.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've got some fur kids with us present today, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got Jolene and Mazza.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I used to have a uh senior dog rescue.
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  SPEAKER_02: So these and I uh I ran it for 17 years, so this is why I would end up with dogs where the pet parent had given up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um now I know a lot of times they were giving up because the dog had early signs of dementia.
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  SPEAKER_02: They get sundowners just like people do, and they were like, he's not himself anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't he doesn't do anything, he doesn't play with us anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's starting to pee on the rug, he's waking up all night.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I know all of those are early signs of dementia, and there's nothing on the market to help them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my two dogs that I have now were my last two rescues.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I moved from Florida where I operated my rescue.
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  SPEAKER_02: I also had a very busy grooming, daycare, boarding facility also.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, they're my last two rescues when I moved.
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  SPEAKER_02: I moved three years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: I took my last three rescues um with me, but I stopped bringing in more rescues when one of my dogs got cancer and her whole demeanor changed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's why um I was able to leave with three and not have like 15 to 20 like I normally did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and wow, and I got so many questions running through my head right now on kind of where to go next.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, so Jolene and you said Mazda.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mazda.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mazda.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mazda was actually rescued from Bosnia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her parents were clients.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mazza would come and stay with us or get groomed at my facility.
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  SPEAKER_02: They rec they rescued her from Bosnia, and then they used to like live on 10 acres where she ran around like a maniac.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then they moved into a little house with a little backyard and had a baby, and Mazza wasn't having it, so they were gonna take her to the pound.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's how I ended up with Mazza, which I can't believe that they brought her all the way over there and then just gave her up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then Jolene was funny because Jolene was um, I had, I was crazy, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had an opening, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, I I have I have a space for another dog, and I didn't nobody was calling me up.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I looked on the SPCA and I literally did this thing called pet finder, where you like it's like you know, a dating site for finding your perfect match.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I typed in everything and Jolene's face came up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her name was Jolene, which was my mom's name.
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  SPEAKER_02: She looked just like one of my old dogs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, all right, we're driving two hours here to go get Jolene.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course, I got Jolene and then ended up bringing another dog back to at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I I re-homed her quickly.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: She was a she fell in love with my lawnman, and I was like, he was going through a divorce.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: I go, you know what you need.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need a good dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's where Jolene came from.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yep, they're both with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're both 15 years old now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I love looking at a typical 15-year-old and then a 15-year-old dog that I've raised holistically and seeing what the differences are, you know, what interesting, what it's like to um really truly know how to raise them, you know, naturally so that you're not depending on the standard of care and you're not having they're not on multiple meds or anything special.
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  SPEAKER_02: They just eat real food and I make plant mushroom medicine for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so yeah, definitely get into that in a second.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what what what are their breeds?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
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  SPEAKER_02: Other I have no idea they're mixed breeds.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, mixed breeds.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you said they're both 15.
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  SPEAKER_00: And but are they a little different in behavior and activity based on completely different?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, Maza is uh loves to run around in the backyard and chase and run, and Jolene is more of um play with toys, interact with you type of thing.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, they are completely different.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're and it's funny because old dogs, as they get older, sometimes they don't tolerate each other very well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nina, when it was the three of them, Nina was my Doberman that passed from osteosarcoma, but she was in charge when she got cancer.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like she became insecure and it totally changed the dynamic between all of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, she started to like being aggressive to Jolene or correcting Jolene or things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So once Nina was gone, they um they'll play and then they don't they don't really have anything to do with each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not like they're like a bonded pair or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like right now, one is in here with me and one is in with my partner.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Nina, was it was part of that behavior maybe related to just being in pain and discomfort?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it was like a well, I made sure she wasn't in any pain.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it was just she knew.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think she just knew that she was off and that something was a little off.
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  SPEAKER_02: I to me it seemed like insecurity.
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  SPEAKER_02: She went from wanting to meet everybody and every dog and welcoming them to leave me alone.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not now.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you following the rules?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe she went, maybe she was going through menopause.
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  SPEAKER_02: She got over everyone quick.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So funny.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: She was a geriatric Doberman.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: She was 10, so okay.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, yeah, and that's about their age limit, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: 10.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um now, so I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So right immediately we have a bond.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm I'm working on borrowed time.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Laying down over here next to me is my big big boy.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a hundred-pound Doberman.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um he is almost 11 and a half.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: Good job.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and now granted, he does fall a lot.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's got arthritis, he's he's we he's had two ACL surgeries.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he had a stomach flip about a month, a month, a year and a half ago, so we're lucky we got him back.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, so out of nowhere, how weird.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, and he's and what's weird is he's he's a slow eater.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's always been a slow eater.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: His sister was a fast eater, but we had the uh uh the procedure done.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: But the wife just uh she came running up one day.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was on a meeting and she was panicking, like something's wrong with Marshall, something's wrong, and he was pacing back and forth and wouldn't settle down, and you know, fear just came over us, rushed him to the ER, and luckily he was still standing up, and three hours later they they fixed him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um he's definitely slowed down.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen so I definitely this is a segue with what you do to kind of share with the audience and support them with um older pets.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't definitely want to get your thoughts on it.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't necessarily seen cognitive decline with him, or maybe I have, and I just am not noticing it, but he's always been slow.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's just it it's not what I was expecting for a dogman because you know most are just hyped up on energy and smart and curious and getting into everything.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: He never but he never was like that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um but when I look in his face, his eyes look really clear, he looks really sharp, but he's definitely slowed down a lot, but his mobility is really challenging and he falls a little bit.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can help with that.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's let's jump, let's get in.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'll send you something.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, in 2016, no, sorry, 2015, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I was already like, I'm a holistic, all natural type of gal.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, literally, I had a business, I had a magazine, a TV segment, a radio segment.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's all I talked about, removing toxins from your home, your diet, you know, everything.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so I got this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And of course, what was prescribed to me was a drug called Humera, which is already linked to lymphoma and given to all autoimmune diseases.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, thank you.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go see what I can do.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: A, I know I caused myself to get this probably due to my stress, and I know I could reverse it.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So cleaned up my diet even more, more of an anti-inflammatory diet.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then I took an extract of cannabis oil, and um it, I'll never forget taking the dropper for the full first time and literally felt pain leave my body.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I literally felt like, oh, and my stress and anxiety levels went down.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what is this magic thing that I just took?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad I got a good one because I know so many people have bad experiences taking one that's not medicine, not made as a medicinal product.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Most things are recreational, unfortunately.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that led me down uh a rabbit hole that I've never come out of.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I started because of my magazine.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: I was in Florida at the time, medical marijuana was still illegal.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I became an advocate, worked really hard to get it um legalized there, which we did.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: I started reporting in my magazine on moms who were using it for their kids' seizures or cancer or autoimmune diseases.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I started going to conferences and hearing one story after another, and I'm like, this is inhumane to keep this medicine from anybody.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's the the worst side effect could be that you get a little high.
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  SPEAKER_02: Other than that, it is so good for you and interacts with this master system we all have.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I sold my business and threw myself into the industry and hired a business consultant who was the best at the time.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, I'm going everywhere with you.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know everything.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I went to conferences, grow houses, learned how to source seeds, how to grow medicine versus a recreational, went to the best grow, to the worst grow, learned everything about it.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then in 2016, the University of Vermont School of Medicine reached out to him and asked him, told him that they were having their first medical cannabis program and they wanted a really cool inaugural class.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Did they know any good candidates?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I got to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's where I learned about the endocannabinoid system, which is this master system that all of us have, including our dogs, all of animals have them.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it is a system that's in charge of all of the other systems and at keeping us at homeostasis, and our doctors and veterinarians aren't taught anything about it.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I got out of that school knowing, okay, I already have my rescue, my groom in boarding.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the expert for animals since I'm a go over on that side of the thing.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: But when I first got out, all I did was train doctors and veterinarians because they weren't taught anything about this.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: So in Florida, we made it legal, but nobody knows how to prescribe it or how it works or how to use it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I did a lot of training of doctors and veterinarians at the beginning of my career.
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  SPEAKER_02: But there also were no products on the market that were uh made safe, a therapeutic dose had a lot of times they were human products that just they put a paw print on it and there'd be, you know, artificial flavoring because they thought the dog needed it to taste like bacon or it would have xylitol, which is deadly to dogs.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I got to formulating and formulated my products and then in 2000 was able to use them for two years at my rescue, at my shop in practice to like test them and do all that.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then in 2018, I was allowed to release them.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then in uh when Nina got the diagnosis of osteosarcoma, I knew that medicinal mushrooms, I was a practitioner for another company until I found out that they weren't making therapeutic dose that they were sourcing from China.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I found a local person, had him make my formulas, and literally my first formula was one that I made for Nina.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and Nina was diagnosed with osteosarcoma, which is a bone cancer that one in nine large breed dogs get.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: So she got it.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: The moment she started favoring her leg, I immediately started to treat it as that.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and we, you know, I had a bunch of vets working with me.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: We beat all kinds of records.
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  SPEAKER_02: We extended her life for two years, didn't have to amputate, didn't do anything conventional.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: She was running around chasing bunnies, holding her, you know, tumor leg up, enjoying her life.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but she was the the reason that I started to really formulate and source mushrooms and start making mushrooms.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh it wasn't until one of my other cases who I learned that how what dogs that dogs get dementia.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I now know that when I look back on my prior cases, that I was like, that was dementia, that was sundowners, that was early signs of them losing cognition, and those things are um getting lost.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I from pet parents, what I would hear the most is falling into the pool and the pool's been there for 15 years.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why did he suddenly forget about the pool?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's got dementia.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Waking up in the middle of the night, doesn't know whether they gotta go out to pee or get a drink, those are early signs.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um circling, maybe not being able to get settled.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh those are all early signs that now I look back and I'm like, oh, yep, yep, yep, because most of the dogs I was getting were old.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: And the and the biggest complaint I'd get from the pet parents is it's like he doesn't even recognize us anymore.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: That would be heartbreaking.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it is heartbreaking.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: But it was also heartbreaking is like, how are you giving up your 15, 16 year old dog just because he's old?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like that also broke my heart.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, how do you what do you think the dog is thinking?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's that's no fun.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, I started to um wonder what is this, and realizing that it was dementia, and then looking into that, do you know how you die from dementia?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um no, I um neither did I.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was just a memory disease.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: And how you die from dementia is you forget how to eat and drink.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: You no longer know how to eat and drink.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're still hungry and thirsty, but you don't know how to eat and drink.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I had one of my 18-year-olds that had gotten rid of her cancer and lameness, and now she's walking to the water bowl and just standing there, staring at it, walking back, laying down, getting up, doing it four times in a row.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: And she's the one that taught me that lesson.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So that's when I created clarity, which is my I don't know if you know what adaptogens are.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Adaptogens are plants and mushrooms that when we take them, they adapt to our stressors.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: So you and I could take the same exact tincture, but it's going to adapt and do different things for each of us.
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  unknown: Right.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what I mostly practice in and create with.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I found um amazing research on both lion's mane mushroom extracts and on Bacopa Maneri, which is an Aurvetic adaptogen, and they literally reverse dementia.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: They regenerate neurons, they regrow our telomeres, which are these structures, string-like structures inside of our cells, that every time we replicate a cell, they shrink and cause aging, they regrow them.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: This mushroom in this plant.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: So whenever you put these adaptogenic plants together, they become really powerful and synergistic.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I paired them with others like Rishi and Cordyceps and Ashwagandha, which you probably have heard of.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then I did a research study.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first I used it and watched dogs come back online, watch dogs that would not make eye contact, that would stand in a corner and just bark, turn around, make eye contact, start wagging their tail.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I already saw it over and over again at my rescue.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I decided to do a piece of clinical research and prove it in a research setting.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so we I funded it and we hired a uh conventional veterinarian who now did this, ran this research uh center that he usually did pharmaceutical drugs.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, cool, let me see what something I created can do.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: And he told us that's where I learned all about how they do animal research on drugs.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he like was telling me, you know, you're probably not gonna get the results that you want.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking, yes, I am, because I already got them already at my rescue.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we ran it and we brought on dogs that had mild um CCD, which is canine cognitive dysfunction, doggy dementia, uh mild, moderate, and severe.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And our mild and moderate cases got better.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: We had an 81% improvement rate, and then our severe cases didn't get any worse.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we tracked by blood tests that measured both inflammation in their blood in their body and whether they have neurogenesis.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's called the BD BD and F, brain derived.
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  SPEAKER_02: Factor.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it literally measures whether your brains are re uh neurons are regenerating in your brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we had an unbelievable success.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: We also did tracking callers so that we could track are they sleeping in the night?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Are they still pacing in circles?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Are they calming down?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then we did pet parent surveys.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we surveyed the pet parents of are they getting better?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: What how were they now at the beginning and how are they now at the end?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we're really proud of it.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: And we're we're doing, I'm speaking on every podcast because I'm trying to get that information out because there isn't anything, right?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not right now, but when I created the product, that's why these dogs were at my rescue is people were going to their vet, and the vet was saying there's nothing you can do, there's nothing you can do, you might as well put them down so that they're not suffering, and they couldn't do that, right?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: So they ended up at my rescue.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: But that's I want people to know that they do have a choice, an option.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And the same goes for humans.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: The two drugs that are on the market are terrible and do not help.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's one coming out on the market for hu for pets called loyal, and it already has a disclaimer that says that it's not supposed to be used for more than one year.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: How is that how is that going to help my old dog if I'm not even supposed to use it for more than a year?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because it will probably cause harm or whatever it does.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then at what stage, I guess, to your point of dementia, can you start using it if if you use that product?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned you mentioned sundowners, and I think you get what is sun sundowners again.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Can you explain that?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sundowners is like early signs of, you know, so in humans, they say, you know, you're you forget where you are, or you just like have a temporary lapse.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just like early signs.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: So the dog falling in the pool, right, right.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: After 15 years of having that pool in the backyard.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: How did that happen?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, or the waking up in the middle of the night kind of thing.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Disruption of sleep is a is a very big sign.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then clearly you have, hey, these are the signs, symptoms, whatever you want to look for.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you you know, you clearly you've got something like that.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll make sure we get a link to the street.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, also just knowing when dogs are seniors, right?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: We know when we're seniors, we don't know when our dogs are seniors.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Large breed dogs when they're six are senior citizens, and most people don't, they certainly don't act like it or look like it.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: And then medium dogs, it's about eight years old, and then for small dogs, it's 10 years old, but they are literally 50, 60 year old, you know, people, and and we don't think of it that way.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: So the earlier that we can start supporting them at that age, even before, with of course, real food and plant extracts and mushroom extracts, all of these are all natural and the body recognizes them, so there's no side effects.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: All they're doing is helping the body's innate ability to protect and heal itself.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just a little more support, just like I mean, I don't know how old you are, but I take some things, little you know, natural things to support my body and help me keep me functioning right, and they need the same thing, right?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're also like they're also like us where we suddenly can't tolerate things anymore and we can't eat and drink certain things.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing happens to them.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, yeah, no, I definitely know that.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'll be you know, Marshall's on um like Cosequin, right?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: For the arthritis.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I guess um so that I want to ask you that question.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: So he's on uh he's on Cosaquin, but he's still in pain and still having issues.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: He he's still it's hard.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I and that's a great question.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: To me, it to me, it's hard to see he's in pain because you Doberman's are so stoic as it is, right?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: You just you and he doesn't look it or seem it because I try to look at him in the face, but yeah, he still limps a lot.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um Cosaquin is the number one selling joint supplement on the market, and it's a whole bunch of isolates, right?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: So what they do is they take glucosamine and chondroiden are incredible, but glucosamine and and and chondroidin are incredible when they're in their whole food form, not when those two things are isolated.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And not only are those things not just isolated, they go and recreate them in a lab, so they are not even pulled from the original whatever it is, right?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: And all a Cosaquin is is a whole bunch of isolates of things thrown together and sold to you, and it doesn't work, it does not, it does not help mobility, but they have a lot of marketing, and they have a lot of you know, it's out there number one, but like even the reviews will say, you know, you don't work.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: So just remember that having a pet, they're looked at as property in this country.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: That means it's changing anybody, yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Anybody can make a product and it can kill your dog and you can sue them.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: And even if you win, they're gonna go, how much were your vet bills?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: So they don't consider them a part of the family or whatever.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Now we're trying to change that on some things.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: We've got a nice class action suit uh against Labrella, the uh Zoetta Pfizer, which owns Zoetis, who made this horrible drug that's still out on the market, which is for arthritis.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm really glad we haven't done that one.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: 17,000 adverse events in less than five years.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was a human drug that was failed.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: That what the same company owns it.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: So when they fail a human drug and it falls out of favor, it always ends up in the animal space as a new drug.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Happened to Gabapenton, it's now happening with Labrella, which was a drug that caused it's for osteoarthritis, and it causes osteoarthritis.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: So what I want people to be, and this is what I hate is that when your dog gets older, he needs support.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to need something.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Don't always turn that pharmaceutical drug, right?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Always look at those side effects, look it up first, because they have horrible side effects.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: And if your dog is already old, it's just gonna make things worse.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'm not anti-pharmaceutical, they're will save your life and they're necessary, but things like uh steroids or even antibiotics should be used short term.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of these drugs are to like stop something so that we can figure out what's going on and get better, but oftentimes they're prescribed for years and years for life.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we yeah, it's been funny.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's well, funny is probably not the right word you mentioned, steroids, but that um unfortunately was one thing that was prescribed with our female Doberman, his sister, and that's what ended up killing her.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I learned about steroids the hard way too.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because my RA showed up in my eye, which is actually very common now with autoimmune diseases.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: It happens in I literally helped a case yesterday where she's like, I'm you my dog has uveitis in the eye and he's taking steroid drops.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Well, let me tell you about them steroid drops.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: I in the year of me trying to figure out what was what was wrong with me, because it was only coming up in my eye, and sure I had arthritic pain, but whatever, I was in my 40s, so I figured it was just a part of getting old.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: But in that year, I would say I used them maybe 25, 30 times in my eye, and a side effect is cataract, and I got a cataract.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: It also changed liver level, my liver levels changed everything because it was going in my eye and getting into my system, so I was still having the side effects of those things.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I hate steroids.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Steroids will save your life, but they are sometimes prescribed on a long-term basis and they cause damage.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, did was did you say was it Nina that kind of inspired you down this path?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, well, it was my own health and Odie's health.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: So my sole dog, at the same time I was diagnosed with degenerative, I was diagnosed with RA, he was diagnosed with degenerative melopathy.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, at age nine, he was a miniature schnauzer.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: At age nine, he just stopped going up the stairs, stopped jumping up on things.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: I could tell something was off.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And what's cool is that we both had our diagnosis at the same time, which I'm sure you've heard how you share like what's wrong with you is what's wrong.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: I remember a friend of mine who was like, she was this really loud British lady, and she's like, Do you think what's wrong with you is what's wrong with your dog?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Yeah, I do.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I what's cool is after I got out of school, that was the first formula I made was I made my own medicine and his, and it's the same, and his face.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: All the dogs I made the tinctures for have a cartoon version of themselves.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my Odie.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, he inspired me to to make my very first formula to help us both, and it did.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: His disease never progressed, and neither did mine.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even have a crooked knuckle.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what, like turning to nature, you know, fixing your diet, watching, you know, looking at your lifestyle, your environment, removing the toxins or whatever.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: You can get yourself the body is made that way to get back to normal, get back to homeostasis.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so it it feels like it sounds like you've been in the pet space for quite a while before doing this, this, the new adventures that you're doing.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: What um I mean, what was the the passion inspiration behind that?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, was it parents?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Did you grow up with kids?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: What just kind of took you down that path?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was always uh animals were always my favorite.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like I went right outside every day from school.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: I lived in Miami, grew up in Miami on an acre.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: I had bunnies and ducks, nine-foot alligator laying in the backyard.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I've always loved animals.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: They have always been my savior, my bring me peace, love, everything that I need, even as a kid.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I started rescuing long, long ago.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and then yeah, I never in a million years thought I'd end up what I'm doing, but I did know that I wanted to do something with animals.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know what.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: I also I'm also a hardcore entrepreneur, so I was like dying to be the first or invent something or create something.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, there everything's been done, and now all I all I do is see what's missing and go, when am I gonna get around to doing that?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny how it's changed, but yeah, I uh someone needs to advocate for them, speak up for them, tell the truth, educate us.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: I lost my first dog because I um I lost her at age seven because I took her to across the street, opened up a state-of-the-art conventional vet practice, and I literally walked in with my puppy and said, I want to do everything to keep her alive.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I over-vaccinated her.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: I put those flea and tick poisons on her, the heartworm.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: I fed the terrible kibble that they told me to feed.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: And at age six, she had diarrhea and was vomiting.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: And a year later she was dead.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: And they had prescribed the apoquil, the steroids, the antibiotics, all of those things.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that's when I became the crazy crazy person.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: And that was at least 20 years ago.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's when I became the crazy pet mom who was going to get to.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: I also went to school for broadcast journalism.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: So there's like investigative journalists in me too.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I my dog can't just die, probably just like when you lost your girl.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: You wanted to know why.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, why did this thing that's supposed to help end up killing her?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I right and it was antibiotics.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, of course, her immune system was not non-existence because we depleted it with putting all those toxins in and on her.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, we we take away their ability to heal themselves or protect themselves with these toxic chemicals.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Mother Nature provides us with all the food and medicine that we need, but we can't patent it and make billions of dollars off of it.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: So they recreate it in a laboratory and re-release it.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: The problem is it does have an action, but the liver and the body doesn't recognize it.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it has to work overtime to figure out how to what is this?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: What is it?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times in our dogs, it goes and stores it in their fatty tissue.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's why old dogs have lumps and bumps all over them.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's from toxins being stored there.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes the liver knows to get rid of it, sometimes the lore liver stores it in itself.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: So synthetic vitamins and minerals, you know, really cause havoc to the body.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, this is all I do full time is tell the truth, read labels, advocate, tell people what ingredients really are, how they're sourced, because man, now that I'm on this side of the thing, I cannot believe how things are done.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what and it that's a good way, yeah, we're getting close to the end of this.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we'll definitely get a bunch of links to for folks to kind of get out their educational materials.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but as as we kind of wrap this up from uh gosh, an awareness educational perspective, um, you know, obviously getting on these these help, but you know, for the listeners of this show, what what's what advice?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've already given a lot of advice, but what you what additional advice, you know, do you want to just share or just kind of have them act on today?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to know that you have a choice when it comes to caring for your pet, that the conventional vet follows a standard of care and doesn't treat your dog like an individual, and that there's holistic veterinarians that you can literally do telehealth with, get a second opinion, or even just go to them.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, that that mother nature provides us with all the food and medicine that we need.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: And if we can really figure out how to do that, then the body knows what to do.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: It knows how to protect itself and it knows how to heal itself.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: But for our dogs, it's a toxic world.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everything that they come across on the ground and air fresheners and their bed and their food and their supplements, they lick their paws, you know, and get all that.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's a much more toxic world for them.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so being able to support them naturally and holistically really can make an impact on their their health span and their lifespan.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, those are those are great points.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, licking their paws, eating the grass.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, here's the other thing.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: Everything you eat, put, consume, or put on your skin, you need to look at it first.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Don't trust anybody, not even me, not your veterinarian.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Your veterinarian, oftentimes somebody, a salesperson walked in and sold them something.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: They ask them, does it have a side effect?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: They say no.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: You have to do the homework.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: If they give you something that kills your pet, it's your fault, not your veterinarian's fault.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: So look at everything that you put in and on them to make sure that it's safe and that it's going to help them and not harm them.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that I great great advice.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate you coming on the show today.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: We'll definitely get some added content in the articles for folks to kind of you know go check out your articles, the the tips, um, education.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I again I appreciate you, you know, being on the show today.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, not not speaking for all of us pet owners.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we you know, we're all experiencing, like you said, as they get older, these things that you described and um love just the the journey of life that you've had with pets throughout your life.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: So the that that inspiration and passion and what you're doing to kind of bring to us to educate us and help us.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so Angela, just yes, thank you so much for being on the show today.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Don't go anywhere just yet, but um again, thank you so much.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.