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Patriots Unfiltered 2/4, Part 1: Super Bowl LX Preview, Patriots News/Updates, Mina Kimes, Howard Balzer and Dr. Chao Interviews · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We are back here
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  Speaker 6: live on Radio Row, super Bowl sixty. It's Deuce, it's Paul,
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  Speaker 6: it's me. We'll have a parade of guests like we
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  Speaker 6: did yesterday. It's gonna be even better than it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, it's busier here than It's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 7: It's pretty wild here at Radio Row.
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  Speaker 6: We've seen Cam Newton, We've seen Dave Portnoy walk by,
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  Speaker 6: Joe Montana's in the house, a lot a lot of
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  Speaker 6: people just it's crazy and it's gonna get even crazy
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  Speaker 6: here tomorrow and Friday.
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  Speaker 8: So Fred, you f forgo out one person who I
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  Speaker 8: just saw and I had to go smoke a cigarette afterwards,
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  Speaker 8: and that's Dereck Henry. Everybody, Yes, if you're a pun
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  Speaker 8: whoa Dereck Henry is in the house. I don't know
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  Speaker 8: if we're able to get him on the show here,
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  Speaker 8: but but I took some pictures of him and I'll
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  Speaker 8: savor those forever.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So it's it's pretty wild here, all right. So
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  Speaker 6: we've got a big show today. We'll be here until
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  Speaker 6: five o'clock Eastern time, four hours. Like I said, we'll
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  Speaker 6: have some special guests. I don't like to give it
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  Speaker 6: away because you never know what's gonna happen. Maybe somebody
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  Speaker 6: that we didn't expect will come on and bump somebody
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  Speaker 6: else off. Who knows, But so it's gonna be wild.
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  Speaker 6: But anyway, it's state five, five past five hundred. As always,
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  Speaker 6: podcast at Patriots dot com is the way to email us.
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  Speaker 6: So guys, let's let's talk a little football before we
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  Speaker 6: get into all the other crazy stuff. Any you know,
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  Speaker 6: Robert Spallaine I saw in his availability today says he's
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  Speaker 6: one hundred percent sure that he'll be playing.
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  Speaker 7: That's good news, good news.
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  Speaker 8: What percentage will he be playing at that's probably the
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  Speaker 8: bigger question. But he's a huge part of that defense, leader, communicator, tackler,
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  Speaker 8: huge to get him back, and I think that would
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  Speaker 8: be a great boost for the Patriots defense. They need him,
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  Speaker 8: They need him in this game for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: A good sign though that he's feeling that strong about it.
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  Speaker 9: And we'll see about Harold Landry too. But I agree
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  Speaker 9: with Mike. I think Splaine's presence in the middle, if
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  Speaker 9: for nothing else, the communication of it all, keeping that
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  Speaker 9: whole group connected. I think that all the players talked
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  Speaker 9: about the differences when he returned. And I think there's
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  Speaker 9: no disrespect to the guys that played, because I think
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  Speaker 9: they played well. You know, Christian Ellis and Jack Gibbons,
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  Speaker 9: those guys, they filled in very well. But I think
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  Speaker 9: there's definitely a loss there without Splaine.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no question.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, staying at the defense, we have a
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  Speaker 6: kind of commute every day that we have to take
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  Speaker 6: two we get here from the team hotel. We all
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  Speaker 6: we got and it's similar to the commute I take
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  Speaker 6: every day from home to Foxborough.
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  Speaker 7: So I have a chance to reread thoughts.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, thoughts with Fred and you know, for our betting
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  Speaker 6: friends out there, I know that we're not allowed to,
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  Speaker 6: but you know we're kind of touts.
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  Speaker 1: Well you are, yeah, you are, and you are eleven
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  Speaker 1: and one.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking that it might be good value. And
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if any of the books or the
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  Speaker 6: houses are offering this proposition, but if they're not, you know,
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  Speaker 6: uh you should.
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  Speaker 7: Milton Williams M V. P Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he'll he'll have odds because he won't
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  Speaker 9: have the best odds. No, it'll be really hard. It's
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  Speaker 9: probably been I don't know, twenty years.
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  Speaker 7: Yep, Aaron Donald didn't have an m VP.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe. I believe Cooper Cup won.
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  Speaker 9: The Mvpper Bowl, right, but Aaron Donald absolutely could have been.
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  Speaker 9: And that kind of shows you how difficult it is.
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  Speaker 9: So you'd you'd get excellent odds ready.
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  Speaker 7: Right for that pick. And that's why I think it's
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  Speaker 7: and that's a good it's good value.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good one because I think it's a possibility.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that for the Patriots to win
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  Speaker 6: this game, he's got to play have a good game.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, to back the up.
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  Speaker 8: Fred Seattle one of the worst offenses, if not the
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  Speaker 8: worst on third and long. So that's Milton Williams time
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  Speaker 8: to shine. They can get him into third and long
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  Speaker 8: opportunities for mil Williams.
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  Speaker 6: To con So, you know, I often have my feels,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm feeling it. I'm feeling Milton Williams as a
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  Speaker 6: big factor in this game and a big reason why
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots might come away with a victors.
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  Speaker 1: Pilton Williams feel about Freddie feeling him.
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  Speaker 8: He's getting felt up by Freddie Fields. I love it, though,
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  Speaker 8: Fred I mean, mil Williams has been outstanding, and I
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  Speaker 8: think you don't know what you got till it's gone, right, Paul,
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  Speaker 8: And when Milton Williams went out of.
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  Speaker 7: The lineup, you saw it.
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  Speaker 8: You saw a little dip in the play. You know,
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  Speaker 8: not just the past defense, but the run defense too.
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  Speaker 8: So he's a super disruptive guy. He walks guards back
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  Speaker 8: into the backfield all the time.
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  Speaker 7: They're gonna need him.
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  Speaker 8: And I just love the experience too, of him playing
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  Speaker 8: in the Super Bowl last year.
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  Speaker 7: Knowing what it takes.
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  Speaker 8: He's not gonna be overwhelmed by this moment. And I
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  Speaker 8: think that's up for him to come out and play
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  Speaker 8: loose and free and play fast and play well.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And if I'm not mistaken, I'd have to look
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  Speaker 9: this up. And you know me, I'm not not much
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  Speaker 9: on the on the research for the year I go
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  Speaker 9: off the Dome, you know, off the Dome, I would
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  Speaker 9: say Richard Dent against the.
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  Speaker 7: Patriots, Wow, okay wow.
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  Speaker 9: But I don't know if there's been a defensive lineman definitely,
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  Speaker 9: Randy White Harvey Martin split it in seventy seven Duce
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  Speaker 9: in Super Bowl twelve, again off the dome.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's interesting that for that defense, it's so like
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  Speaker 8: the forty six defense, it was just kind of known
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  Speaker 8: as a singular, singular entity and not really Richard Dent specifically.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm interesting that he.
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  Speaker 4: Got sure that Richard Dent won the MVP.
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  Speaker 8: Having just rewatched that game, I can attest just about
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  Speaker 8: anybody on the.
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  Speaker 6: Bears defense ninety six against Green Bay who was MVP.
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  Speaker 6: Does Howard kick off return? Yeah, that's right. Oh man,
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  Speaker 6: I was gonna say Reggie White could have easily had
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  Speaker 6: it too.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I I wouldn't given it to someone
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  Speaker 9: on offense, But what about Brett Fervor, Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 9: you could have given it to I think Desmond how
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  Speaker 9: It was probably a good, good pick though, Yeah, had
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  Speaker 9: a had.
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  Speaker 4: A major impact in the game.
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  Speaker 7: Ye, all right, So I was just thinking about that.
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  Speaker 6: Then the other thing we were talking last night, you know,
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  Speaker 6: at the hotel, and we were talking about Gonzo and uh,
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  Speaker 6: I think I forget which one of you said that
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  Speaker 6: they were told by a coach that he is a
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  Speaker 6: photographic metor.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think that was Evan that uh that
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  Speaker 7: shared that with us. Uh.
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  Speaker 8: Really impressive. I mean it's uh, I mean, what this
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  Speaker 8: guy's got like all the athletic gifts in the universe,
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  Speaker 8: and he gets a photographic memory too, What do I get?
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  Speaker 6: So we're gonna have to test that. We're gonna uh,
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna have.
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  Speaker 7: To show him, don't get quit the availabilities.
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  Speaker 6: This week we'll have Evan or somebody, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 6: tests that photographic memory. But that's interesting because they say
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  Speaker 6: that he often corrects the coaches. Yeah, he says no, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: that's not how it is, you know, and he's he's
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  Speaker 6: usually right.
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  Speaker 8: It's a good quest at the skill. Maybe we can
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  Speaker 8: get him on the trivia team or something like that.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, how else does this manifest itself so we
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  Speaker 8: can take advantage of But I think, you know, joking aside,
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  Speaker 8: Christian Gonzalez and that's been I've been lucky enough to
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  Speaker 8: do a couple of radio hits this morning television hit
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  Speaker 8: Seattle Morning Television, thank you. And that's what everybody you
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  Speaker 8: know really wants to talk about, is Christian Gonzalez on JSN.
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  Speaker 8: And I think we said it yesterday. You can't just Okay,
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  Speaker 8: that's it, Set it and forget it. Follow them all
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  Speaker 8: like it's that's impossible with the way they move JSN
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  Speaker 8: around and just how good JSN is, Like I just
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  Speaker 8: I think you could have Durell Reeve's tie Law and
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  Speaker 8: everybody else in one cornerback and JSM would still make
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  Speaker 8: plays with the way he's playing this year.
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  Speaker 7: So critical third.
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  Speaker 8: Downs, that's what I'm watching. The gotta have its the
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  Speaker 8: the third and mediums, Paul, you know, I like, uh,
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  Speaker 8: those are the downs I did. I'm not not not
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  Speaker 8: for this game yet, so I'll get on that. But
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  Speaker 8: that's where I think it's Christian Gonzalees time to shine.
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  Speaker 8: And I said it during the regular season. When you
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  Speaker 8: get in the playoffs, I don't know how the matchup's going.
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  Speaker 7: To go, but I feel good having we get a.
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  Speaker 1: Chance to see some of it. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 9: You know, you want to see the best on the best,
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  Speaker 9: and and that's in this game. The Patriots best corner
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  Speaker 9: is Gonzales And obviously, you know you can make an
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  Speaker 9: argument that Jasn has been the best receiver in football period.
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  Speaker 8: Him a pooka, I mean him, Yeah, it's one or
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  Speaker 8: the other. Yeah, Now that's what I in the Seattle Radio.
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  Speaker 8: That's that's what I said to them that I mean,
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  Speaker 8: he's Christian. Goandal has been really good. But it's just
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  Speaker 8: exciting as a football fan to get to watch two
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  Speaker 8: guys that are that good, that athletic. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 8: really fun to watch those guys.
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  Speaker 7: Did my cough button work?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okaye, I think I just heard the cough live
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  Speaker 1: instead of the headphones.
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  Speaker 7: All right, and then there was one other thing that
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to talk about.
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  Speaker 6: All right, never mind, all right, Podcasts at Patriots dot
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  Speaker 6: com is the way to email us eight five to five,
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  Speaker 6: PATS five hundred is the hotline.
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  Speaker 10: Again.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna have a parade of guests starting. Uh, let's
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  Speaker 6: meet at Kimes. I think it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Our lead off. She's in the lead off spot.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah about ten and Evan is gonna effort to be here.
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  Speaker 8: He's bombing here. I'm sure he cannot missed that.
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  Speaker 7: No, he set it up. Yeah, that is that is
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  Speaker 7: his interview time to shine ten forty.
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  Speaker 9: We're expecting me in the times. Yeah, so hopefully we
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  Speaker 9: get a few. We're trying to get some more too. Uh,
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  Speaker 9: you know, it's it's a very active. Oh, it's just
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  Speaker 9: a media center looking at.
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  Speaker 7: Chris right over here.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's just there everywhere cam Com News
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  Speaker 8: or Kyle. I think it was crowded.
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  Speaker 7: I saw Kyle, I didn't see Chris. Yeah, that's Chris is.
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  Speaker 8: Sitting over there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay talking to uh that guy.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, it's not gonna the man, the person over there.
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  Speaker 7: Chris, of course, was a Patriot for a year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he was an Eagle for the next year.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: He won Super Bowls back to back years with different teams,
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  Speaker 8: which Milton Williams could potentially do a.
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  Speaker 1: Reverse Chris Long if you Legarrett Blunt also real.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well we hap him. We had him on
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  Speaker 7: and we were ask him about it. That was fun.
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  Speaker 6: Let's see johna South Carolina was watching a video where
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  Speaker 6: Tom was talking up May how he plays moves in
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  Speaker 6: his arm. That doesn't go along with the emailer who
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  Speaker 6: said he only saw ten passes, not saying which one
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  Speaker 6: is right just makes me question it. So what was he?
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  Speaker 7: There was an email that that said Tom only watched
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  Speaker 7: ten of his passes. Yeah, that's what I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I said, you've seen about fifteen players from Drake May
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  Speaker 9: all year. Yeah, And I said, I find out really
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  Speaker 9: hard to believe because, yeah, he's in you know, the
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  Speaker 9: the number one analyst on Fox, and he's not watching
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  Speaker 9: all of the teams, of course he is.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Tom is getting a lot of grief these days.
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  Speaker 7: Eh.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's not for Patriots fans. He's not giving
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  Speaker 6: us enough love, all right.
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  Speaker 8: Like, what more do you need from the guy? I mean,
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  Speaker 8: he gave you six super Bowls, he gave you twenty
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  Speaker 8: of the best years of your life. Wait, like, do
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  Speaker 8: you need him to continue to be a cheerleader for
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  Speaker 8: the team. I looked at that TV twelve night that
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  Speaker 8: we did when he went into the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 8: and I said, you know what, this is the button
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  Speaker 8: on this They gave him a statue. It was an
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  Speaker 8: awesome time. We've closed the book, just like he probably hasn't.
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  Speaker 8: I just don't know why we continue to be so
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  Speaker 8: needy from Tom Brady. He's gone on to do different things.
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  Speaker 8: He gave us everything you could ever ask for. It
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  Speaker 8: doesn't matter to me, you know, if he's gonna still
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  Speaker 8: be our biggest.
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  Speaker 7: Fan, I don't know. I kind of understand it.
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  Speaker 6: I understand why fans are a little bit upset about
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  Speaker 6: that because you know, after so many years, we had
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  Speaker 6: this dynasty and you know, like it's something that we
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  Speaker 6: treasure and we want it forever and we want it
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  Speaker 6: to be complete. And without Tom Brady, like you know, it's.
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  Speaker 8: Like we kind of don't have to like continuing to
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  Speaker 8: be around and and like things, I mean, or.
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  Speaker 7: At least reminding everybody that, yeah, I was a Patriot.
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  Speaker 8: But but I but I also see there are certain
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  Speaker 8: you know, Patriots alumni that like they're always there and
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  Speaker 8: it's not really all that exciting, like you know anymore
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  Speaker 8: like that the novelties worn't off. I think now when
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  Speaker 8: you get to see Tom Brady participating in something for
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots or in some capacity that then then it's exciting.
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  Speaker 8: But I don't know, man, I'm so focused on this
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  Speaker 8: current team and where this team is gonna go and
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  Speaker 8: not living in the past and wondering Tom Brady is
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  Speaker 8: a part owner of the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's Mike doesn't have any time for that.
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  Speaker 7: I was here and I don't like him now right.
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  Speaker 9: Correct, Mike doesn't have any time for the past, but
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  Speaker 9: I do. I'm kind of like in the middle of
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  Speaker 9: you two guys. I understand what Fred's talking about. And
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  Speaker 9: I and I would, you know, as as a you know,
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  Speaker 9: were separating myself from what we do for a living
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  Speaker 9: as a Patriots fan. It is a little disappointing that
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  Speaker 9: he doesn't seem to be as enthusiastic about I guess,
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  Speaker 9: you know. I don't think he's necessarily openly like bitter,
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  Speaker 9: you know. And there's been some guys that have left
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  Speaker 9: and have really trashed the place, and I don't really
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  Speaker 9: see Brady doing that. I think he still has a
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  Speaker 9: lot of respect for you know, Robert Kraft and the
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  Speaker 9: Craft family and whatnot in the organization itself. And we
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  Speaker 9: remember what he said right what he said at the
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  Speaker 9: UH at the event at the Hall, the Hall of
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  Speaker 9: Fame ceremony about being a Patriot for life. But we
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  Speaker 9: do have to remember that even though he was a
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  Speaker 9: Patriot for so long he didn't have success with another team,
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  Speaker 9: he did grow up admiring a separate team altogether. From that,
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  Speaker 9: so the fact that it's not just all about the
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  Speaker 9: Patriots for him, maybe I can understand both.
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  Speaker 1: Sides a little bit, a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what what what he did here was
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  Speaker 7: pretty remarkable, so I know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty remarkable that Evan Lazar made it here so fast.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Evan's herepressive, he's just getting set up.
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  Speaker 7: I do have some news for people, guess.
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  Speaker 6: I guess there was a social post that went out
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  Speaker 6: yesterday about this, but I didn't see it, so I'm
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  Speaker 6: assuming that maybe some fans didn't see it. But if
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  Speaker 6: you're in the San Francisco area for the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 6: and you're looking for the Patriots place to be, there's
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  Speaker 6: gonna be a couple of rallies Friday night.
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  Speaker 9: It's it's.
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  Speaker 6: Friday night from four to seven at a place called
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  Speaker 6: Underdogs Cantina that's in San Francisco. That's Friday at four
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  Speaker 6: to seven. There'll be a Patriot's rally there. And then
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  Speaker 6: on Saturday at a place called Splash Sports Bar that's
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  Speaker 6: from three to six. That's on Saturday. Both those places
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  Speaker 6: are in San Francisco. Okay, that's knocking over tables here,
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  Speaker 6: Oh whoa, whoa, yep. So we've got Underdogs Cantina from
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  Speaker 6: four to seven on Friday and then Splash Sports Bar
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  Speaker 6: from three to six on Saturday.
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  Speaker 7: So those are the two rally places for Patriots fans.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure, they'll be giveaways, cheerleaders, mascot, all kinds of
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  Speaker 6: stuff going on there. So we'll say it later on
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  Speaker 6: in the show as well, but just wanted to get
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  Speaker 6: that news out there. So that's good stuff.
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  Speaker 8: And then we see, h are we allowed to say
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  Speaker 8: there's a live taping as well going on on Saturday?
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  Speaker 7: I would love to.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know where it is.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that'll be uh one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that' Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: Soul is where they're gonna also tape all access.
• 15:07
  Speaker 9: So you know, you play your cards right. Maybe you
• 15:08
  Speaker 9: can have a beer. Maybe you could buy me a beer.
• 15:11
  Speaker 9: PAULI will be there.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Let's let's get crazy about the night.
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, going on, I'm a little slack. How was your drive?
• 15:21
  Speaker 12: It wasn't terrible terrible today terrible. You know, I'm one
• 15:26
  Speaker 12: of those people that can work.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: In the car, so that was kind of nice.
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: Got some I saw that come through.
• 15:32
  Speaker 12: Everything's done breaking down the old twenty two of course,
• 15:35
  Speaker 12: you know cover six.
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: You know, I thought you were going to fight dan Orlowsky.
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: He was right here, we're ball now we're friends. So
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: you were at a little bit of the access this morning.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I was at most of it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we talked.
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: About Splene you mention thing that he's ready to go. Yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: what else did you learn today?
• 15:56
  Speaker 12: Honestly, you know, the these ones have been pretty subdue,
• 16:00
  Speaker 12: But I think the the general gist of Mike Rable
• 16:04
  Speaker 12: this morning was just let's go time now, you know,
• 16:07
  Speaker 12: And we got kind of the you're at the super
• 16:10
  Speaker 12: Bowl yeay, you know, like that's that's sort of done,
• 16:12
  Speaker 12: and now these next forty eight hours. He used his
• 16:16
  Speaker 12: favorite phrase, critical for the next for the next forty
• 16:20
  Speaker 12: eight hours, that Chris is down to brass tacks, start
• 16:24
  Speaker 12: the game plan and and get everything installed and get
• 16:27
  Speaker 12: ready for Seattle. And he mentioned the family is coming
• 16:31
  Speaker 12: in and all that stuff. The weekend can kind of
• 16:34
  Speaker 12: get a little hectic again. So U I think that
• 16:37
  Speaker 12: right now they're trying to get it back to football
• 16:40
  Speaker 12: as much as they possibly can.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: So before you got here, I was talking about another
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: one of my Freddie Field's premonitions, Yes, and I was
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: saying that if you're a better and you can get
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: a proposition of Milton Williams as MVP.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: As V take it, take the bet, it's gonna need
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: a stripsack in there.
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: What do you think about that?
• 16:59
  Speaker 12: I mean, I definitely think that that's a matchup that
• 17:01
  Speaker 12: they're going to try to exploit their interior three. You know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 12: Zabel is a good rookie, but he's a rookie kind
• 17:08
  Speaker 12: of like the Patriots rookies has had some ups and downs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Uh, they're right.
• 17:12
  Speaker 12: Guard is another guy that I think a lot of
• 17:15
  Speaker 12: people troubles are talking about.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Bradford is someone that they can target. So I think
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: that's the game.
• 17:22
  Speaker 12: You know, on both sides, the ball really is how
• 17:24
  Speaker 12: well can the Patriots offensive line hold up against Seattle's
• 17:27
  Speaker 12: pass rush and vice versa. In whichever team survives that
• 17:31
  Speaker 12: matchup in the trenches is probably gonna win.
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: So I just thought, again, using off the top of
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: my dome, I think the last time the Super Bowl
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: was here, super Bowl fifty, right in Santa Clara, Denver
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: over Carolina. I think von Miller may have been the
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: MVP of the Oh there you go, so you got
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: some karma the last time it was in Santa Clara.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: For I think you can't the MVP of that. He didn't.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Try to.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: He's over there by the way. Yeah, well he's got
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: a great hat on back at you.
• 18:02
  Speaker 12: We were actually talking talking to Josh McDaniel's a little
• 18:06
  Speaker 12: bit this morning, and he mentioned Cam Newton for very
• 18:09
  Speaker 12: different reasons. But we were talking about installing plays to
• 18:14
  Speaker 12: use Drake's mobility in the offense, and I was just
• 18:18
  Speaker 12: asking him about how different that is from you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 12: his experience really for the most of his career has
• 18:24
  Speaker 12: been with stationary quarterbacks like Brady, and he did mention
• 18:27
  Speaker 12: Cam as probably the biggest inspiration for some of the
• 18:31
  Speaker 12: things that they've done. But he mentioned that, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 12: Cam was a different beast. You know, he's a two
• 18:35
  Speaker 12: hundred and fifty pound battering ram. But a lot of
• 18:38
  Speaker 12: the things that they've installed with Drake may he said
• 18:41
  Speaker 12: his first real taste.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Of that was with Cam Newton in twenty twenty.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just saw Tony Tony Dungee walk by, and he
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: made some ripples because he refuses to say who we
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: voted for for the Hall of Fame.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Well you know what that means?
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so but I guess Belichick lost by
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: one vote, that's the reporting. Yeah, so he could have
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: he could have changed that. Nope, yeah, could have all right,
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: not tonight. Yeah, but we're we're seeing people walk by.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: It's it's an exciting place. Right now.
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: It's a lot more people watching today as it's just
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: you know, everybody just crosses your I.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: Mean we saw C. D.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: Lamb walk by and if you caught him, like, it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: just a parade of NFL players.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: Uh, David Monterey, I've been telling my friends that I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: a Patriots fan and my quarterback is Drake may.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I think that makes it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Clear that we're onto the next dynasty and focused on
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: who's the team now. So forget about Tom Brady, he says,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: you don't.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Have to forget about Mike. No, you don't forget.
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: You don't have to be sad it was over. Just
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: be happy that it happened.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, sound like the Navy celia.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: On the right.
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: You're on the right side. You're on the right side
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: of the equals sign. But don't forget about the people
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: that got you to that on the left side.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: That's right. Do you have your map?
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah no, there were a couple of people that were
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: subtracting on that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: That's all right, Okay, let's see Sam and Halifax UK.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: With all the talk about Seattle being a scheme, Defense
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: and Evan mentioning last week the possibility that the complex
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: scheme could land defenders out of position. Does this present
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: an opportunity for Henderson to find to crease it hit
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: a big play. It's likely he might struggle in terms
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: of traditional running, but I'm feeling a forty plus yard
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: play from him this game day.
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we talked about that a little bit yesterday. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: think your better chances of production in the running game,
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: I think is something like that as opposed to lining
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: up traditionally and getting them for five yards of carry.
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: They were really stout run defense. They only allow about
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: ninety yards. But all defense is susceptible to one big play.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: I mean, you never know if you crease somebody, you
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: block one up perfectly and Henderson, you know, hits it,
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: and you know that's go back to whatever that stretch
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: was Tampa, you know, the stretched to like Buffalo where
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: it was all of a sudden he was big play
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: after big play. Maybe one of those turns to Super Bowl.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: He averaged, I believe, near the top of the league
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: in terms of average yards per carry against two high
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: safety shelves, which is what Seattle bases their defense out
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: of more than any other defense in the league. They
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: played two ice safeties at like seventy five clip and Henderson,
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: you know, lighter boxes, more space to kind of see increases.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: And maneuver in there. The hope is is that maybe
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: he could spring one.
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: But I think the the other side of it, though,
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: is do you trust him to hold up in pass
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: protection because McDonald is gonna, you know, scheme it up
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: in the pass rush and they're gonna probably blitz a
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: good amount. And if he's gonna be on the field
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: for any sort of high volume snaps or you're gonna
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: trust him to pick up blitzes like Ramandre Can And
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: I would just say that there's a handful of big
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: plays that the pitches have made over the last four
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: to six weeks that have been almost directly responsible are
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: Stevenson Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, and not necessarily because he was making
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: the play with the ball in his hands, but making
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: it possible for Drake May to hit somebody with his blocking.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's kind of my X factor for this game.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: I don't think anybody's really talking about him, and I
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: think it's a good example of somebody's playing really great
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: football here down the stretch, maybe the best football of
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: his career all around game, and that to me. You know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: I know it's a really tough defense, but it's one
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: of those things you keep hammering away, hammering away, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: you hope at some point Ormondre or Henderson maybe breaks one.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's try to get some phone calls in here.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: We'll start with Cole and Nebraska. What's up, Cole?
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: How are you doing good?
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: Hey?
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: Guys, how you got a question for you? I grew
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: up understanding that Bill Belichick one of his greatest pass
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: just eliminating the.
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: Best player on the team.
• 22:50
  Speaker 14: Let's say, hypothetically we eliminate this.
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: Where do the guys stand up on our defense first
• 22:56
  Speaker 15: arrest of their offense?
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: So what if we eliminate JSN, what's what's.
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: The rest of the defense matchup against the rest of
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: set off?
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: I mean the tight end, I think, I mean he
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: he had a bunch of catches and he's a big boy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: I think a lot of their early down stuff they
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: they like to go to him. I think they love
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: to pound Kenneth Walker. So I'd start with those two guys,
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: of course. Rashid Shaheed downfield speed. I mean, you just
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: you can't get beat. You can't give up a giant
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: score to that guy. They've obviously already played him this
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: year when he was on the Saints. Still, so those
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: are those are the three main I mean, I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: it just all starts with stopping down.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: How about Seattle other than JSN, And we've talked about
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: this before and thanks for the call. Call is that
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: they're a balanced team, Like like there's nobody you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: when you look at the numbers that is you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: close to you know, one hundred catches, but it's spread
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: out outside of Jay, outside of JSN, it's spread out.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Now when they lost Sara, I know, Evan, you kind
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: of poop pooed it, but I think that was a
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: big loss for them.
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: I think it's a big loss for them. And Blitz
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: pick up. He's he's definitely the better player in terms
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: of blocking. Kenneth Walker is a far more dynamic runner
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: and has had a great playoffs. So I didn't really
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: expect Charbonay to play a ton outside of you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: third down situational stuff where he's got to pick up
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: blocks or you know, in terms of like short yardage,
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: which is where he played a lot.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: But I also see like when they needed stuff, he's
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: kind of a go to guy on the ground and
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I see him picking up critical you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: Know, in short yardage, definitely. I mean, he's a battering ram,
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: He's a big dude. They won't have that ability. I
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: think the biggest thing with Seattle when you see teams
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: that have had success against their offense, it's really those
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: six man defensive line fronts that the Patriots actually kind
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: of started in Super Bowl fifty three. And then you
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: play with the two safeties over the top to put
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: a cloud, put a you know, two guys over the
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: top of their receivers. So can you stop the run
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: with six or seven guys and be able to do that,
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: I think is going to be one of the keys.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: To the game. They run a lot of that stretch
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: play outside zone.
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: He's a Shanahan offense, Shanahan Tree type of offense, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: that's what they're gonna do. So if you can go
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: out there and stop the run like the Patriots have
• 25:17
  Speaker 12: been this postseason so far really well, then I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: that you like your chances of getting them into some
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: of these bad situations for their The.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: Last thing that Evan just said is the reason to
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: answer the question if they somehow hypothetically took JSN out
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: of the game. I don't think the Seahawks offense would
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: present much of a challenge because now it's on Kenneth Walker.
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: The Patriots run defense has been ridiculously stout when healthy.
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: I just don't see Seattle finding answers if you take
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: away something that's that big a piece of the puzzle.
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: Yeah, one of the biggest mismatches in this game is
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: Seattle and third and long versus the Patriots defense and
• 25:53
  Speaker 12: third and long. The Patriots defense number one in the
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: league in third down and long conversion rate. The Seattle's
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: thirty first in the league converting third and longs offensively.
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: So when you get him to third and long, when
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: you get pressure on Donald, he's not the same quarterback.
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: You know, he's not nearly as good in those types
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: of situations when it's obvious pass and he has to
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: drop back.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: So can you do that?
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: That also allows you on third down to maybe double
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: JSN or have some sort of scheme element because you
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: know what pass is coming. So all those things are
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: prevalent on first down. I think first down is the
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: biggest down in this entire.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: So, but you know, having said that, they're the number
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: one seed in the NFC.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: So I'm sure a lot of teams know what you're
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: just saying and tried to do what you're saying, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: they just couldn't do it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not consistently.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: Why couldn't not consistently?
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: And I mean I went through and watched, you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: all of his interceptions this year, and I don't noticed
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: more than a few times he's looking at JSN first,
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: and if it's not there, that's when you start to
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: get Donald unraveled a little bit. So I think that's,
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: you know, a big part of it, making sure you
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: take him away early, but he gets open late too.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: I mean there's times where Donald scial a little bit
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: and JSN is just too athletic. No one can stick
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: with him, lay in the down and Darnell finds him.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: So uh, it's just it's it's hard to do it
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: for sixty minutes.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Every play.
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: They're gonna JASN is going to make some plays in
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: this game.
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: So it's so funny.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I just saw Jerry Madalon, our guy, walking with Mike
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Tannon bound and then he was talking with Ben Watson,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: and Watson was.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Right in front of us, so I thought he was
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: gonna give us a look. But he didn't know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: He was kind of head down.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: You just forget all about us, Yeah, just forget about us.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been on that show before.
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: Okay, ben you know how many how many guys walking
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: around here have been on this show before?
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah? He has true Benjamin, We'll stop talking about that
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: play you made it against Denver?
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: You know, all right about Hey, how about the touchdown
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: he had in the O nine opener against the Bills
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: with the up the scene of Brady with a game
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: winner after it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: It was a touch back to.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Let's go to herm in DCG. What's up herb.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, he.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Turn, you can speak, we.
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: Can hear you, yes, Okay, sorry, because I'm having all
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: the technific issues real quick. So I can't see a
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: scenario where essentially my bettest song Coach Babel compared to uh,
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: whether Mike, Mike.
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: McDaniels, Matt McDonald, Mike McDonald McDonald.
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I can't even thinking of the god's name, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: lost or short. I'm pretty much guaranteeing as a visual
• 28:38
  Speaker 14: win because again, if all the equals, I think one
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: of the biggest a glass to me is Coach Rabel.
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: I just think that he will be able to come
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: up with the defensive game plan to essentially slow down
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: to see a Seahawks offense and most typically just the
• 28:57
  Speaker 14: versus the Seahawks offense being able to team up against
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: our defensidemics.
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: That so, well, what about Seattle's defense against the Patriots offense?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Like McDonald's defensive coach.
• 29:15
  Speaker 14: I understand that, but again, I just trust Drake May, okay,
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: and Dodh McDaniels against that defense, right, And I know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 14: I remember you were talking about how obviously Drake May
• 29:27
  Speaker 14: didn't have the greatest playoff performance so far on my
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: person believe well, and it's my person believe that in
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: the sounds an excuse, but I do think what had
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: a lot of do right because ten donald, yes, he
• 29:44
  Speaker 14: lit up the Rams, but play in California, you know
• 29:47
  Speaker 14: what I mean? In California?
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: That yeah, okay, all right, So we're going with.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: We're gonna go with the Patriots are gonna win because
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: they I don't think, which I don't necessarily disagree with.
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: I did make my pick yesterday on Patriots Unfiltered TV
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: at Niceties, and I went with the Patriots. In full disclosure,
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: we don't have to wait till Friday I just I
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: would like to have some reasoning other than yeah, well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: I just you know Rabel, Well, if we're.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: Going to coaching angle, I don't think that there's much
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: of an advantage either way schematically. I think both these
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: staffs are really really good x's and o's wise Rabels
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: playing experience, mcdaniels's coaching experience versus what Seattle is bringing
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: to the table with a head coach and a coordinator
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: that have never been here before. I do think if
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: you want to take that route, then that's probably the argument.
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: McDonald's one of the best defensive schemers in the league,
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: and Quinn Kubiak just got a head coaching job because
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: of how good he's been on offense. So I don't
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: think that there's some big gap between the coaching staffs
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: from a x's and o's standpoint, but maybe an experience
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: standpoint that could help the Patriots.
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: And I would just say, like, would you say that
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: Mike Rabel is a better coach than Sean McDermott, Yes, yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: I mean I would. I mean I would probably go
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: into a game saying yeah, I think the Patriots have
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: an edge here, And that was probably one of the
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: most glaring mismatches in strategy. The second half of that
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: game in Foxborough, McDermott did some things that the Patriots
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: were not ready for and it completely changed the game. So,
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: like you can think you have an edge in something,
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: and as La Garrett Blunt told us, whatever you think
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: is going to happen is probably not going to come
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: out that way. Right, So there's a lot of different
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: twists and turns to these games. I do think that
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: Rabel's I love Evan's point about Rabel and McDaniel's that
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: experience I think has value in a big game and.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: McDonald doesn't have that. Ye yeah, doesn't have the same stuff.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: I think if you spread it out, I think Seattle
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: has better talent across the board, you know, spread out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: But it's not so much that they have this huge advantage.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: When we look at these Super Bowls, We've been to
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: a few of them, right, Paul, Well, each one of these,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: like there's like games within the game, Like you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: there's certain parts of the sixty minutes that have their
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: own identity. You know, I think of the Carolina game
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: where every quarter seemed to be like a different game,
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: And you know, a lot of these it's just you
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: have to kind of break it up, and it's really
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: hard to predict what's gonna happen because it it doesn't
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: hold true throughout the whole game.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Like there's shifts and momentum.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Defenses get tired at the end a lot of times
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl, not just the Patriots, but you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of energy expended up front and toward
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: the end, defenses you know, tend to you know, get
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: tired and offenses start.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: To surge at the end.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I remember the first Super Bowl that the Patriots won.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: If that game had gone into overtime, there's a good chance,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: you know, and back then the overtime rules were different,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: it's a good chance the Patriots would have lost that
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: game because the Rams were surging and our defense had
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: expended so much energy stopping Marshall Fock and Kurt Waterer
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: early that they didn't have much left.
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, let me ask you a question.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: How many you know, what are the best couple of
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: Patriots defenses all time?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Three?
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: H four right?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Three?
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: Did anyone see the Carolina Panthers putting up what thirty
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: something points on them?
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: You know? It is just such a bizarre.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: No, but you know what I mean, Like, that's one
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: of the best pages defenses.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great point that Fred makes.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: And some of these games they had, like there was
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: no scoring in the first and third quarters of that game,
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: was all in the second and fourth and you know
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: Rodney breaks his arm and you know, a guy like
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Sean Mayer. Yeah, so Brendan Schooler is playing safety with
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: the game on the line. That was Sean Mayer. He
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: was a special teamer, you know, that's all. You know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: that's all his role was all year and with the
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: Super Bowl.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You never know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: I was watching forty nine the other night. This is
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: the first Seattle per usual rewatching. No, it just it
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: just happened to be on NFL. So and I'm watching.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: It was like in the middle of the second quarter
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: and the Patriots had just scored to go up seven nothing,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: and you know, Seattle puts a drive together and Russell
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: Wilson completed his first pass of the game. They were
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: about six minutes left in the half, and it was
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: like a record for the longest to complete his first pass.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: Then all of a sudden and you look up in
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: the middle of the fourth quarter and you're down twenty
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: four to fourteen or whatever it was. You know, Seattle
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: had certainly gotten in gear by then, So there was
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: like totally different games.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Even within the game, like Fred said, and I'll.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: Look at the game where the Patriots lost to the Eagles.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: All of you know, it seemed like, you know, Patriots
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: are kind of cruising, Brandon Cooks goes down, Yeah, and
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: like you look, well, you don't really need Brandon Cooks.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: No, you did need him in that game. Well, you
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: probably needed Malcolm Butler, yeah, Maltham Butler.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: But like, like you know, he tries to do this
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: crazy move where he tries to go over the guy's
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: helmet and he's out for the game.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Press that changed things.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: So these Super Bowls are are different animals than I
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: think regular season games.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: They really are, especially from half to half.
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: I feel like too, like because of the halftime is
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: so long that whatever you did in the you almost
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: have to have two game plans going into it, because
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: whatever you did in the first half, there's gonna be
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: that extra time for these coaches to figure out what
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: you were doing, and then there's gonna be adjustments to
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: the first half. And so you's often hear and sometimes
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: that they almost have two different game plans going into
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: the game because they know that that sort of thirty
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: plus minute halftime is a lot longer than it normally is.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Yep, you know, in game adjustments, that type of thing,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: they become critical.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: I saw a story on the interwebs that Brady and
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: Josh like rewrote their red zone.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: I had heard that list. Yeah, super Bowl forty nine,
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: like two days before.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was two plays.
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: But the one where Edelman's pointing at the sideline, Yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: when he caught the little, you know, jerk route return route,
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: that one, I think we had no and that that
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: was the play that they put in in the ballroom
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: the night before the game on Saturday night. They had
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: installed that play and they had ran it, and yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: that was really fascinating. I didn't know the second one,
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: the one to La fell slant route. I guess that
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: was the other play that they installed and they threw
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: a touchdown on.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: All right, let's go to on the eight five five
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: pats five hundred the hotline. Let's go to Tom in Oakland. Hey, Tom, Hey,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: what's up guys.
• 36:28
  Speaker 16: Sorry for a little bit of a subject change, but
• 36:30
  Speaker 16: I wondering what favorite things that you've eaten or done
• 36:34
  Speaker 16: in in San Francisco in a few days, or maybe
• 36:37
  Speaker 16: something you're.
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: Looking forward to.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, we've been kind of working a lot,
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: so I haven't really had by the time to do
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: any sight seeing or any fun stuff like that. All
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: I did have a good meal last night at a
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: place called Indian Sizzler, so if you like Indian food,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: that was really good. But that's Insanta Clara. But other
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: than that, like, we haven't really had a chance to
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: do anything.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Oh you can eat this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: It's been more of a nostalgia for me because we've
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: got to go in and out and we've gone back
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: to back days to Mel's Drive in, which is a
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: place I used to go to all the time out here.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: So but I think tonight we have a little company party,
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: so I think there's gonna be some good food tonight.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: The problem for us and we still run, you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: and we said that we wouldn't do this, so if not,
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: please don't take this as complaining.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Is we're happy to do our jobs. We're in Santa Clara.
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: To get to San Francisco is taking over an hour
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: each way, so we're here to do the radio and
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: then we go back to the hotel. So the idea
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: of coming an hour back to go an hour back
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: home twice in the same day is a lot. So
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: we haven't really gotten a chance to get to any
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: of the you know, the nice restaurants. And I keep
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: getting people recommending, you know, various places. This you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: this primary place, and this you know, this different bar
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: is supposed to be really good, and I'd love to
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: see them all. My guess is on Saturday we'll get
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: to get a chance to see a couple with these
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: parties that the Patriots are having.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: But that's about it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, Tom, you're in Oakland, any do you
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: have any recommendations?
• 38:06
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, I know the Connecticut Yankees got brought
• 38:08
  Speaker 16: up a bunch. I've watched a fandful of past games there. Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 16: he's our pub. Uh, some of the best Buffalo Wings.
• 38:14
  Speaker 16: I'd say this, okay, okay, it's right by right by
• 38:19
  Speaker 16: sees Our Stadium, which is where the Niners played way
• 38:22
  Speaker 16: back in the day. That's what that one's name for.
• 38:25
  Speaker 16: But and then the tourist the areas over there up
• 38:28
  Speaker 16: here thirty nine, like it's toursy but it's cool. You
• 38:30
  Speaker 16: can go see the seals and the shops and all
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: that kind of stuff. So yeah, plenty of fun stuff.
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: But uh yeah, I mean I went to the Pro
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: Bowl last night. Took me over an hour to get
• 38:40
  Speaker 16: over the bridge from Oakland, so wow, yeah, it's a
• 38:43
  Speaker 16: nightmare getting around.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: Okay, all right, Well thanks for calling.
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: It, Tom, appreciate it, guys him.
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: Tom and Oakland.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: On the subject of they hate us because they jeal,
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: which I always love this subject disrespect. That's why people
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: keep walking through our set, John and South Carolina rights in. Uh,
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: he says, I live in South Carolina. I have Clemson
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: and Patriots stickers on my truck. I have to switch
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: the Patriots sticker because it will get written on ripped keyed,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: et cetera. Nothing ever happens to the Clemson are bruin stuff.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: People still hate us and are still sick of us
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: the most. This mostly happens that stores in Lows.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: It isn't even.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: People I've interacted with Lows. Life is different outside of
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: New England. Outside of New England, you keep your mouth
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: shut unless you're around friends. When it comes to the Pats,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: unless you feel like getting into an argument with someone
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: who only watches college football but still wants to crap
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: on the Patriots. Sports radio isn't really an issue unless
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: you get an old head blaming the Patriots for ruining
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Cam Newton.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: We should ask him about it. He's right over there.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: Oh god, do you think we could get him on?
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: That would be funny, just to try to convince him.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Why do you know how the current quarterback you feel
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: about that?
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: Dudes will hold his feet to the fire.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: Did you ever find out what mac Jones's real meddle
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: name was?
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: Well, okay, let's go to Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean?
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: Hey, you know, I'm disappointed, as I'm sure everyone is hearing,
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: the Craft, the best owner and history of sports is
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: not in the Hall of Fame. But I'm not surprised
• 40:24
  Speaker 15: because Avenue, I'm sure you agree the Pro Football Hall
• 40:29
  Speaker 15: of Fame has a bias against the Patriots, and I
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: wouldn't be surprised if Terry doesn't get in, and then
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: next year if they make bronk weights. So this is
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: my question. Let's say in twenty twenty eight, there's a
• 40:44
  Speaker 15: complete slips. It's a Patriots party, it's Brady, it's Bronk,
• 40:48
  Speaker 15: it's Belichick, it's Craft, it's been a Terry, it's even
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: Rodney Harrison. Would you all go for that induction ceremony?
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: I would.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: The better question is what would Patriots Nation have to
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: bitch about out being hated by the leader? What would
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: they what would they fabricate that the mass induction Because
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: let me just say this for the record, if if
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: Vinitary and Gronkowski and Brady don't get in, then I'll say,
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: you know what, I was stubbornly wrong. This is clearly
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: a bias against the Patriots if those kinds of guys
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: don't get in the Hall of Fame. But if Tom
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: and Rob Gronkowski, Adam Minitarry is going to get in
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: the Hall of Fame, Tom Brady is going to get
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: I don't really care like what year, like, that's not
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: really all that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Important to me.
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: But if they don't get in the Hall of Fame,
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: then I'll say, you guys were right. This is clearly
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: a bias. There's something special about.
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: Tom Braid is going to be a first ballot hall
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: when you're deserving, and he will be who on that list?
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: He will him nobody. I say the same thing for
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Gronk like who on the list.
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: I would agree, and I think they'll both and I
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: think they'll both be first ballot Hall of Famers. But
• 42:00
  Speaker 9: I'm just saying, if they don't get in the Hall
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: of Fame, then I'll say, you guys are right.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: I would hope.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: So it just might be Elsie Greenwood's all right, good
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: time for break, So let's take one.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: When we come back. Maybe we'll have some guests.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: If somebody's late, all right, we'll be right back.
• 42:17
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  Speaker 7: So great to see you. Thank you for stopping by.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Now is it true?
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: I gotta start this off because we heard rumors when
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: you were in Jillette stadium. They were like one of
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: our camera guys was like, you know, Minachimes really like
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  Speaker 8: seven stuff.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: She's yeah, you gotta hear from you now, this guy,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: they're gonna embarrass me.
• 45:53
  Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm gonna embarrass you.
• 45:55
  Speaker 27: Like one of the best, one of the best young
• 45:59
  Speaker 27: NFL writers were today. I've hit you before. Do you
• 46:02
  Speaker 27: do a great job covering the team? I don't know
• 46:06
  Speaker 27: getting I'm now at the age where I can call
• 46:07
  Speaker 27: people young, right, Yeah, I was text I told you
• 46:11
  Speaker 27: a text of my friend Bill Simmons about how good
• 46:13
  Speaker 27: you are.
• 46:13
  Speaker 26: And I did a good job to do covering the team.
• 46:15
  Speaker 26: And it's been a fun season to read along.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: It has been a fun season.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I know you're also a Seahawks fan.
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean this is pretty cool for you.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, we come in peace. It's okay now.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: And I'm a kind of a closet Seahawks fancy, like
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: I was Steve Large in Jersey when I was a kid,
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: and everyone's making fun of me all week that I
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: have like split alliances, but I'm really.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: A Patriots guy.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: But what's your biggest takeaway from this game right now?
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: Is as we get ready to get into this thing, uh, Okay, So.
• 46:39
  Speaker 27: The thesis I've kind of been presenting to people this week,
• 46:42
  Speaker 27: because obviously I did my show digging into the matchups
• 46:44
  Speaker 27: and all the various exos and whatnot, is I have
• 46:48
  Speaker 27: my feeling is that I think the Patriots offense is
• 46:52
  Speaker 27: better than what we've seen, and the defense is a
• 46:54
  Speaker 27: little bit worse than what we've seen, and I think
• 46:55
  Speaker 27: people are overrating the defense a little bit underrating the offense.
• 46:58
  Speaker 26: How do you guys feel about that?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: I think that's fair.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I can definitely see that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think the one thing that Patriots fans are
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: holding out hope for is that they've played some bad
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: weather games here in the playoffs, especially that fourth quarter
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: in Denver was pretty tough for both teams. So some
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: better weather in this climate, maybe Drake may plays a
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: little bit more like he did in the regular season
• 47:19
  Speaker 12: compared to the playoffs, but I do I'm fascinated to
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: see how he looks against another great defense.
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: That's another big part of this is I wanted to
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: ask you about your MVP vote here in the second,
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: but the biggest thing that we heard all year was
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: him against you know, weaker defenses all season long, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 12: then they get into the playoffs and it's the Texans,
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: is the Broncos.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Now it's Seattle. Yeah, we're kind of finding out a
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: About that too. So I agree with your thesis. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: just wonder where that falls in the middle.
• 47:49
  Speaker 27: I know, right, Yeah, it's the expectation is not that
• 47:52
  Speaker 27: he's gonna light Seattle up. I just think they're too difficult,
• 47:55
  Speaker 27: but more so that you know, I think, like, like
• 47:59
  Speaker 27: you said, he's plays really difficult defenses. I think the
• 48:01
  Speaker 27: weather was a big deal, and I think, you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 27: with a couple of weeks to prepare, and I think
• 48:06
  Speaker 27: there's things that he can do, strengths that he can
• 48:09
  Speaker 27: play into that'll make it look better than it has
• 48:12
  Speaker 27: thus far.
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: Can I ask you, you know, one of the questions
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: we're getting a lot from people. You look at Seattle's offense,
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: and it's obviously JSN centric.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and nineteen catches.
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: The next guy is down I don't know, seventy five
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: or so, and everybody's like, well, if you just take
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: JSN out of the game, you know, like you can
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: just I know, obviously all the teams that Seattle has
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: played have gone in to say, you know this is
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: what we're going to do. You follow Seattle as closely
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: as anyone, right, So why are they so successful being
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: able to still.
• 48:42
  Speaker 26: Have him be the Yeah there there's a litany of
• 48:44
  Speaker 26: reasons for that, right.
• 48:46
  Speaker 27: It'd be so nice if they could just say, hey, Gonzo,
• 48:49
  Speaker 27: follow him right, and then suddenly you're not left with
• 48:52
  Speaker 27: numbers disadvantages everywhere because Seattle's so good at taking advantage
• 48:55
  Speaker 27: of jsn's gravity. I'm sure you guys now have watched
• 48:59
  Speaker 27: a lot of hate but inevitably, at some point in
• 49:01
  Speaker 27: the game one of their miscellaneous tight ends is gonna
• 49:04
  Speaker 27: be white ass open, because Jay said, you know, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 27: a lot of it is. Usually they take most their
• 49:08
  Speaker 27: shots off with play action, so that contributes to do
• 49:10
  Speaker 27: as well. You're getting not just matchup advantages from a
• 49:13
  Speaker 27: personnel standpoint, although I think it's very interesting to see
• 49:15
  Speaker 27: how New England plays that, but also just you get
• 49:17
  Speaker 27: one on ones that way downfield. They run a lot
• 49:19
  Speaker 27: of two man concepts with him, and he'll pull half
• 49:23
  Speaker 27: the defense and someone is open. You have seen defenses
• 49:26
  Speaker 27: pay hit him a lot of attention. Obviously, he faces
• 49:28
  Speaker 27: a lot of cloud and I think Kink Kubiak has
• 49:32
  Speaker 27: done a really good job of moving him around to
• 49:35
  Speaker 27: avoid that. That's something I suspect we'll see a decent
• 49:38
  Speaker 27: amount in this game. He'll put him in the backfield,
• 49:40
  Speaker 27: he'll put him in the slot. That's something I'll be
• 49:41
  Speaker 27: interesting seeing how much he does that. So for New England,
• 49:44
  Speaker 27: I think it's it's challenging, but it's also something you
• 49:47
  Speaker 27: have to constantly adjust to within the game. You can't
• 49:49
  Speaker 27: go in saying cool, he's gonna split out wide and
• 49:51
  Speaker 27: we're gonna, you know, do one double or whatever, because
• 49:53
  Speaker 27: they're gonna move him around.
• 49:54
  Speaker 26: You're gonna have to constantly reevaluate.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Before you gotta go. You're MVP vote.
• 49:59
  Speaker 12: You voted for Drake May. You're Drake May MVP voter.
• 50:03
  Speaker 12: Just what what kind of put it over the top
• 50:05
  Speaker 12: for you to vote for him over Stafford?
• 50:07
  Speaker 28: Yeah?
• 50:07
  Speaker 16: I know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 27: So that is Thursday. I'm on first take with Dan.
• 50:11
  Speaker 27: So Pats fans, please support me. I need your I
• 50:14
  Speaker 27: need your help, especially given the postseason and I keeping
• 50:17
  Speaker 27: like it's a regular season.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I actually say, I think you said that in your podcast.
• 50:23
  Speaker 27: I actually think what we're talking about too is like
• 50:26
  Speaker 27: kind of confusing the conversation because I keep hearing like
• 50:30
  Speaker 27: the pat stuff an elite defense and about and like
• 50:32
  Speaker 27: that's literally, did you guys watch any games this year?
• 50:34
  Speaker 27: This is not what it looked like during the regular season.
• 50:36
  Speaker 27: Has something I had to do with injuries, you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 27: But for me, it was like two things. So I
• 50:41
  Speaker 27: look at dominance and then I look at value. So
• 50:43
  Speaker 27: from a dominance perspective, I thought, statistically it was not close.
• 50:46
  Speaker 27: Drake beat him in just about Stafford right in basically
• 50:49
  Speaker 27: every metric possible, both the sort of more basic ones
• 50:53
  Speaker 27: but also the advanced ones. You know, the opponent gets
• 50:57
  Speaker 27: brought up a lot. My colleague Bill Bardenwall did an
• 50:59
  Speaker 27: excellent piece. I think this was kind of first letting
• 51:01
  Speaker 27: people understand that, yes, the Patriots faced a weaker slate
• 51:04
  Speaker 27: of opponents, but it was really offenses more than defenses.
• 51:07
  Speaker 27: And if you actually divide it into defenses, it wasn't
• 51:10
  Speaker 27: that different from what Matthew Stafford faced to me. And
• 51:13
  Speaker 27: this is where maybe some passcows would be angry. That
• 51:15
  Speaker 27: was actually more of a point against Mike Rabel winning
• 51:17
  Speaker 27: Coach of the Year than it was against May's MVP.
• 51:19
  Speaker 27: So there's statistically he beats him in every way. Okay,
• 51:22
  Speaker 27: then there's the value thing, and I think this is
• 51:23
  Speaker 27: what put it over the top for me. Matthew Stafford
• 51:25
  Speaker 27: had the best run game in football by a pretty
• 51:27
  Speaker 27: significant margin this year and a top five defense. I know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 27: we just saw them in the playoffs, I tell you.
• 51:31
  Speaker 27: During the right the regular season, the Rams were like
• 51:33
  Speaker 27: top five and DVOA New England run game and defense
• 51:36
  Speaker 27: bottom ten in both regards. So if I'm looking at
• 51:38
  Speaker 27: the team and I'm saying who did more, who carried
• 51:41
  Speaker 27: more on their shoulders? Who is more responsible for By
• 51:43
  Speaker 27: the way, a team that literally got you know that
• 51:47
  Speaker 27: won their division unlike the other one, it's the young quarterback.
• 51:50
  Speaker 26: So I didn't think it was particularly.
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: Hard to be honest, Well, you don't need to convince us.
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: I love the last part of that argument. Yeah more
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: with less was responsible for more and you know, yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: I mean that's what and.
• 52:01
  Speaker 27: Even bring up the oh yeah, yeah, my offensive player
• 52:04
  Speaker 27: of the year.
• 52:05
  Speaker 12: Right, so you have a guy that's offensive Player of
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: the year, better offensive line, probably a little bit in
• 52:09
  Speaker 12: with in the Rams, better run game. That's what we've
• 52:12
  Speaker 12: been saying is if there's one guy that's elevated the
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: talent more, Yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 26: Probably it sounds like you listen to the podcast.
• 52:18
  Speaker 27: Actually, so Jabs Who's Great brought up like, well, you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 27: the run game of the Rams probably benefits And then
• 52:23
  Speaker 27: when I looked it up as we were taping, I
• 52:25
  Speaker 27: was like, actually the Rams have faced more fewer light
• 52:28
  Speaker 27: boxes in the Patriots.
• 52:30
  Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm you're putting that one in my post.
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: Face over the top yea of Drake's deep ball, they
• 52:34
  Speaker 12: don't and him and Kaishaw Boody Booty has been seeing
• 52:37
  Speaker 12: cloud all playoffs.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: They don't want him to go over the top.
• 52:39
  Speaker 27: And I think Booty and Digs are really underrated, Like
• 52:41
  Speaker 27: our catch stats love them, and ngs's catch stats love them.
• 52:45
  Speaker 27: I know you get into advanced numbers. You've seen all this,
• 52:47
  Speaker 27: so I don't want to say like Drake's out there
• 52:49
  Speaker 27: playing with scrubs. I think people underrated the New England
• 52:51
  Speaker 27: pass catchers as well. I love the Dig signings, but
• 52:53
  Speaker 27: I didn't think Kaishan Boody would become what he's become.
• 52:56
  Speaker 26: But you know they're not pookinakup. Let's be serious so.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Much taking the time.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: You're crazy busy right now, so keep up the great work.
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: We appreciate you and we'll see you maybe after the
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: super Bowl.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: So fun.
• 53:05
  Speaker 26: I can't wait to read your recap.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, we're going to have to hose him down many times.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: All right, Well so you.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Got all your all your advanced stats.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: There was the spirits.
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: That's what I told you, you know.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll bring bring Dan over here.
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: We loved it. We loved it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: But but Evan has a little thing that goes back
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: and forth. I'm frustrated with the Lasky. I love today.
• 53:34
  Speaker 9: It's like it goes back and forth.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: Great, great star, Thanks Mina. Appreciate it.
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that's uh there you go embarrass a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: we need to get that out there.
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: And my good job getting us back in by the way,
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: that's good job subbing it on the flo.
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: Appreciate it, Freddie Fields.
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: Only only I knew this the embarrassment was going to
• 53:58
  Speaker 12: be coming a little bit, so I was prepared.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: You do good work.
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: You gets some props from from one of the national
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: uh you know, I mean, she's I love NFL Live.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: It's such a great a right, great, it was great.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: He was a little reds a great time.
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: No, she's great. I mean, honestly, I I don't know
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: what point over the last few years that I really
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: just started watching NFL Live, But I just I think
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: they do such a great job, you know, good for
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: some they got good chemistry. It's just perfect afternoon kind
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: of way to wrap up the day.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: What are they talk about?
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: Its football?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 12: I think that, you know, the show that gets the NBA,
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: I think tends to dominate, like the you know inside
• 54:35
  Speaker 12: the NBA is always like revered as like the best
• 54:37
  Speaker 12: studio show that they have these days. And they've done
• 54:41
  Speaker 12: a really good job I think with NFL Live of
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: Mina or Lobsky getting some like actual analysis that's not
• 54:48
  Speaker 12: just like Steven A yelling at a screen, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: and we actually have some real ball knowers that are
• 54:53
  Speaker 12: actually breaking down, you know, whether it's more analytical like
• 54:57
  Speaker 12: Mina or the football side, you know, like or Lobsky
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: where he he's a former player, but either one of
• 55:02
  Speaker 12: them or you know, know a ton of footballs.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: And it's not easy doing what she's doing because she's
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: a woman talking about football, and I think, you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: it's hard for them to kind of break through and
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: be you know, respected for sure. I'm not saying that
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: they're held to a different standard, but some people don't
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: hear it when a woman is saying it as opposed
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: to a man. And I think she's done a real
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: good job of establhing herself as somebody who puts in
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: the work, understands the subject matter and is able to
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: convey it really well and.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: Digs her heels in where people come at her and
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: try to say, I mean she does the work, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: I mean Evan can attest.
• 55:40
  Speaker 12: That she when she presents like when she presents numbers,
• 55:43
  Speaker 12: I don't feel like I'm like super confused by it.
• 55:46
  Speaker 12: And that's something that I think I personally probably struggle
• 55:49
  Speaker 12: with is I say a lot of epas and dvoas
• 55:52
  Speaker 12: and people are like, what is he talking about?
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: And she does such a good job of being concise
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: Good stuff. So Mina Kimes, thank you, uh. First of
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: our guests today among many. So they'll be coming in.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: So while we're waiting for our next guest, Evans here,
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: Matt and Devin UK has a question for him. I'm
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: looking to put some money on a few different bets
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: for the Super Bowl. I need to know how are
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: we going to attack the Seahawks and which players are
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: going to have big games rushing and receiving. Well, I
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: mean that's kind of a brilliant broad Also, and.
• 56:25
  Speaker 29: You want to make money, tell me what's going to happen, right, Also,
• 56:28
  Speaker 29: any under the radar players who could have a good
• 56:31
  Speaker 29: game against us, like Bobo Shaheed, Arroyo Cup, et cetera,
• 56:34
  Speaker 29: I mean, any of them.
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: I think Cooper Cup is a guy sort of you know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: I've been reading some some stats on him. He had
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: a pretty modest regular season, but he seems like one
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: of those guys that that Darnold is relying on in
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: the playoffs.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I think his numbers are.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: You know, I think he was catching about three passes
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: a game, and he's almost up to like five in
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: the playoffs, like four and a half catches, So he's
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: gone to him more often postseason. He's a guy with
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: postseason experience. MVP, you need a second guy. Obviously, shaheeds
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: more of to me, like the one play, the one
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: trick pony kind of guy.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: It's a good point Cooper Cup could be the guy
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: I keep an eye if I was Seattle, I feel
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: really good about having him as my second guy, especially
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: as you pointed out, Paul, the experience, and you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: I would say Barner too.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: They're tight end.
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: It's just I mean, I know the Patriots that that
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: tight end thing hasn't quite been the same glaring problem
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: that we kind of talked about a lot during the season.
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: But I just think he's timely.
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: He's a big player.
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: Patriots linebackers a little bit smaller, safety's a little bit smaller, and.
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: He's a big dude who can bux guys out.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: So you know, it's not really dynamic, but I still
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: think he's one of those third and four he's I like, put.
• 57:42
  Speaker 12: The boots in the play actions to Barner's just there's
• 57:45
  Speaker 12: so much space underneath the defense because they're running the
• 57:47
  Speaker 12: vertical routes off of those extended dropbacks, you know, longer dropbacks,
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: and so guys are running down the field and then
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: just naturally, the zone just gets stretched out and then
• 57:57
  Speaker 12: Barner's just kind of wide open underneath the zone.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: I like the way she explained that just what Jasn does,
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: it's so much more than just one hundred and nineteen catches.
• 58:05
  Speaker 12: So yeah, yeah, and I think that you know your
• 58:06
  Speaker 12: point about Cup, Paul is, to me, that's one of
• 58:09
  Speaker 12: the biggest matchups in the game is it's probably gonna
• 58:11
  Speaker 12: be two you know, kind of crafty vets in Carlton
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: Davis and Cooper Cup, and they're gonna be one on
• 58:16
  Speaker 12: one for a lot of this game because all the
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: extra attention is gonna have to go to JSN. So
• 58:21
  Speaker 12: you know, Carlon Davi is gonna have to win that matchup.
• 58:23
  Speaker 12: You know, whoever wins that matchup, I think is gonna
• 58:25
  Speaker 12: be a big key in the game.
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: Jordan Kentucky wants to know, and I don't know the
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: answer to this. Did you guys see what Joe Milton
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: had to say in the Chris Sims Show. I didn't
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: hear about it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: No, I heard.
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: I saw some like Twitter clips of it, but I
• 58:39
  Speaker 12: did not. I don't want to, you know, misquote him
• 58:42
  Speaker 12: or anything. I didn't see exactly what he said, but
• 58:45
  Speaker 12: it looked like maybe he said something about he felt
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: that he was like disrespected or something like that.
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Kelly writes in Holy Crap, mena Kime, She's the best.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Love her match to Eclaires on The Great British Bakeoff.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: Okay, so she's on the Bakeoff now too, right, Like
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: that's doing I think she was just recently on it. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: they did, like an American version of The of the Yeah. Okay,
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: I bet she's good at it. She seems like she's
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: probably good at everything she does.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Kendall's in North Carolina on the hotline. What's up, Kendall, Kendall.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: Kendall's gone, go on, He's gone. All right, Let's see
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: who's Rick and Riverside, Rhode Island. RKK should be in
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame based solely on the courage he
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: showed in changing course after the Year of Mayo. Patriot
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: Nation loves Mail the player, but it didn't work out
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: as a coach. Maybe it was divine intervention that Rabel
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: didn't get hired in twenty twenty four, making him available
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: for RKK to make the change. Rabel has completely reshaped
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: his team. His love of his players while maintaining the
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: discipline needed to win in the NFL is awesome.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: We have a young foundation to build on in the
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: future is bright.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: I predict the Patriots will play their best game of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: the season and when thirty one seventeen, I believe Josh
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: will have a game plan to take advantage of Drake's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: running ability, and the defense will be hungry.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: I It's just a thing that's kind of occurred to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: me here that I've never really seen before, is this
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: team doesn't really seem like they want the season to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: end and that they want to all go their separate ways.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: Like it seems like they truly enjoy playing together, being together,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: and being part of this team. Saw another quote from
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: Jared Wilson that echoed something that Will Campbell's said of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: just like everyone told me it's going to be different
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: in the NFL, how hard it's going to be, But
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: I don't this is If this is how it is,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: I love it. I want I don't want to play
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: anywhere else. So I think they've just established that culture
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: in an outstanding way. And I think these guys here
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: they they want to keep playing.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: All right. Joining us now is Howard Ballzer and uh,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: he'll get set up here. Howard.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 17: How you doing, Fred kersh I've read nice to see.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: You, nice seeing you.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: I know we've emailed oh yes, yes.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 17: Yes man him many times.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 17: I stopped getting that, said contributor. Yeah, I debated at
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 17: the time when I found out that, of course it
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 17: was going away, I debated, and when I got my
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 17: last check with Robert's signature on it, not to cash it,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 17: and just kind of.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: Like, right, okay, all right, so yeah, so what Howard?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: You know, when Paul and I first started with the Patriots,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: I was back in ninety five.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: I started the.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: Newspaper, Patriots Football Weekly, and we had many columnsts. Howard,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Howard Balls is one of them, Vic Carucci, Paul Domowitch,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: Gordon Forbes.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: Uh but Yanks Don Banks. But Howard's one of our alumni.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: So there we go. Welcome to the show. This is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: what we do. Now, we's all video now.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 17: I say exactly, Oh yeah, yeah, that's not the way
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 17: it's gone everywhere.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: Right, yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: So tell our our audience a ten, tend to be younger.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: Tell them how long you've been covering the NFL.
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  Speaker 17: Well, this is my forty fifth game, forty fifty. Yes,
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  Speaker 17: the game will conclude my fiftieth season covering the NFL.
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  Speaker 17: And of course maybe this week the most more controversial
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  Speaker 17: than normal years, is the twenty third time that I've
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 17: been involved in the election for the Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 17: of Fame.
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  Speaker 7: So we want to get right into let's get right.
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  Speaker 17: Why would that be?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, as you probably know, Patriot's Nation is up
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  Speaker 6: in arms, not just because of Bill Belichick, but also
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  Speaker 6: because of Robert Kraft. And you know, tell us why
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  Speaker 6: somebody like Bill Belichick wouldn't get in on the first ballot.
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  Speaker 17: There's a lot of nuance here. And I could talk
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  Speaker 17: about this for a long time. I'll try to be
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  Speaker 17: as succinct as possible. But the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 17: and I don't want to sound like I'm blaming it
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  Speaker 17: all on them, because all the selectors make their individual decisions,
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  Speaker 17: but the Pro Football Hall of Fame put us in
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  Speaker 17: a very difficult position beginning with last year. And let
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 17: me go back eleven years to what I'm going to
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  Speaker 17: lay out here, because I think it's very important and
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  Speaker 17: a lot of people don't know. I'm a detailed guy.
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  Speaker 17: Anyone who's following me knows, Yay, I have ideas, opinions,
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  Speaker 17: but I'm also very detailed with numbers and processes and
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  Speaker 17: all those things. Eleven years ago, the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 17: decided to create a contributor committee separate from the regular
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  Speaker 17: election because up until that point, and that's a lot
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  Speaker 17: of years, over fifty years of the Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 17: of Fame, contributors, coaches, senior players were considered within the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 17: along with the modern day guys. Well, it got to
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  Speaker 17: the point where contributors it was hard. It was hard
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  Speaker 17: to get especially contributors and coaches. It was hard to
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  Speaker 17: get them in right because you're competing against modern day players.
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  Speaker 17: So in twenty fifteen they could created the contributor category
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  Speaker 17: and that led to the first one, Bill Pollian, Ron Wolfe,
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  Speaker 17: Gil Brandt, Bobby Bethard, Pat Bolan, Jerry Jones. It led
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  Speaker 17: to all these contributors getting in right. Coaches were still
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  Speaker 17: considered with the modern day guys. In twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 17: the year after the centennial class, they removed the coaches
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  Speaker 17: for the modern day guys and created a coach subcommittee
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  Speaker 17: where a coach would be put forward. In twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 17: the decision was made, you know, we've gotten a lot
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  Speaker 17: of contributors in the list of nominees and all that
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  Speaker 17: quite honestly wasn't as strong, and so they decided to
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  Speaker 17: combine the coach and the contributor committee into one and
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  Speaker 17: then there would only be one of either of them
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  Speaker 17: that would be advanced as a finalist. Twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 17: was the sea change when there was a lot of
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  Speaker 17: talk if people out there, if any of you guys,
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  Speaker 17: if you ever saw the list of guys that are
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  Speaker 17: in the seniors what we call the abyss, some have
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 17: called the dark hole, if you look at the guys
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  Speaker 17: that are in there, you say home on I would say,
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  Speaker 17: any normal fan would say, Oh, that guy's not in.
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  Speaker 7: That guy's not in.
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  Speaker 17: That guy's not in. So what they decided to do
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 17: to create more seniors getting in was to have three finalists. Now,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 17: the key is when we voted on the seniors, when
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  Speaker 17: we voted on the coach or the contributor or the
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  Speaker 17: combined one, we voted yes or no on each individual guy.
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  Speaker 17: So there's fifty voters, that means that one of those
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  Speaker 17: have to get forty. Whoever gets forty votes gets elected.
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  Speaker 17: So the first year, the first two years of the Seniors,
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  Speaker 17: three five of the six seniors got in. One of
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  Speaker 17: the receiver from the Raiders, ar Powell did not get
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  Speaker 17: the eighty percent the forty votes, so he didn't get elected,
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  Speaker 17: but five of the six did. Last year, all of
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  Speaker 17: a sudden, out of nowhere, they changed the whole voting
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  Speaker 17: process for the modern day guys and the group of five,
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  Speaker 17: if you will to instead of voting individually, we would
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  Speaker 17: say in this in this group, which you guys are
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  Speaker 17: most concerned with, we voted for only three of the five.
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  Speaker 17: So then they put us in a position to make
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  Speaker 17: decisions with guys they had consciously said shouldn't compete against
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  Speaker 17: each other, to now be competing against each other, right,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 17: and so a lot of people have said in the
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  Speaker 17: last week, well it's not right. You know, why should
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 17: selectors quote prioritize seniors players? Is Vaje. Gregorian from Kansas City,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 17: wrote that he did well. The Hall of Fame prioritized
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 17: seniors guys by having three of them and then making
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 17: a decision on the Contributors committee to combine it at
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  Speaker 17: one point with the coaches because they didn't think there
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  Speaker 17: was enough of them that were worthy. Well, now they
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 17: forced us to make a decision. And the numbers telling
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 17: you now, what they said was there's a minimum of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 17: one and a maximum of three. And they said, well,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: we were told by people that we would at least
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  Speaker 17: get two from one group and four from the other. Well,
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  Speaker 17: I don't know if that person has any knowledge of
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  Speaker 17: math or basic arithmetic. But let's just say, for argument's sake,
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  Speaker 17: that this year Bill Belichick and Robert Craft got forty votes. Right,
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  Speaker 17: maybe they would have gone if it was you know,
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  Speaker 17: I think they'd get more if it was an upper
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  Speaker 17: down thing. I think they'd both be in if it
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  Speaker 17: was up or down. Right, But let's say in this
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  Speaker 17: process they each got forty, just for argument's sake, Well,
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  Speaker 17: that only leaves seventy votes for the other for the
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  Speaker 17: seniors players, So what are the chances of winning one
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  Speaker 17: of them when they're all very deserving of getting forty
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  Speaker 17: Because votes get split, And so I believe in this
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  Speaker 17: case the votes between Bill Belichick and Robert Craft got
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  Speaker 17: split because I wouldn't make the argument. I mean, heck,
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  Speaker 17: he's been eligible for quite a while and this is
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  Speaker 17: the first time he's ever been a finalist. How does
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  Speaker 17: that happen? And I think you can make the case
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  Speaker 17: that he is as deserving as Bill, or maybe even
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 17: more deserving, for everything he's done, not only with the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 17: Patriots getting to a super Bowl before Bell Belichick was
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 17: the coach. Now getting to what we didn't know at
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  Speaker 17: the time we voted, they were gonna get there this year,
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  Speaker 17: but we knew they'd want a playoff when we voted,
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  Speaker 17: not to mention all the things he's done for the league.
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  Speaker 17: So point is, I'm absolutely sure that I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 17: And nobody voted for both of them, but anyone who
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  Speaker 17: voted for one or the other, I think there was
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  Speaker 17: a conscious decision. I'm going to vote for one or
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  Speaker 17: the other and vote for two of the three players,
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  Speaker 17: and so that and so I know there's all the debates,
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  Speaker 17: but Bill Belichick, he did all this first time eligible.
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  Speaker 17: You get, you get to be a Seniors finalist, and
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  Speaker 17: you don't get elected. Guess what, Yeah, you're probably not
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 17: coming back. And if you come back into the room
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 17: to be discussed, it might be five or ten years
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  Speaker 17: down the road. And so I'm not saying that's right
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  Speaker 17: or wrong, but that's the way some people feel about it,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 17: and prioritizing players when the Hall of Fame prioritize.
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  Speaker 6: But to me, what seems to be the root problem
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  Speaker 6: here is this numbers thing. It's like we have to
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  Speaker 6: have three or we can't have more than five. It's like,
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  Speaker 6: why why can't you have more than five? Why can't
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  Speaker 6: you have less than three. Why can't one year no.
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  Speaker 13: One is out, only one is worthy, Like, I don't
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  Speaker 13: understand why they put these quotas, and that seems to
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  Speaker 13: be the problem that puts you guys into a bind where, well,
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  Speaker 13: you know, we're only gonna be allowed to have three
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  Speaker 13: from this category in there where if there's five people
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  Speaker 13: that are slammed dunks, five people should get in.
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  Speaker 17: And I'm with you, and I believe that if this,
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  Speaker 17: if this was done as it had been done, yes
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  Speaker 17: or now yes or no on all five people. I
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  Speaker 17: believe that maybe all five get in. Maybe only two
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  Speaker 17: of the players plus craft in Belichick, maybe only four,
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  Speaker 17: But it certainly would be because I believe what we're
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  Speaker 17: gonna see tomorrow night. I believe there's only gonna be
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  Speaker 17: one player that gets in. And I'll tell you something
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  Speaker 17: else that's weird with the process. They talk about the
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  Speaker 17: sanctity of the eighty percent. Right, Well, here, guess what
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 17: if no one gets forty percent or forty votes from
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 17: that group of five, guess what they're taking the one
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  Speaker 17: person who got the most votes.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 17: And in the modern day, guys, same thing, they say
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  Speaker 17: there has to be a minimum three if two only
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  Speaker 17: get forty votes, then they're taking the next guy with
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  Speaker 17: who had the most votes.
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  Speaker 7: So think of that.
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  Speaker 17: Let's say somebody gets in and they don't announce it.
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  Speaker 17: They don't anounce it. Let's say somebody gets in and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 17: nobody talks about this stuff. Let's say somebody gets in
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  Speaker 17: one year, any year, and has thirty seven votes or
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  Speaker 17: thirty eight. Right then the next year they get enough
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  Speaker 17: guys with forty and someone has thirty seven or thirty
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  Speaker 17: eight or thirty nine. They don't get in, even though
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  Speaker 17: they had more than someone else who got into the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 17: previous year. Defies logic, It defies anything. And I'll say
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  Speaker 17: one other point about your general point. And I was
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  Speaker 17: on an interview this morning and someone was saying the
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  Speaker 17: Dion argument, Well, it should be only the elite of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 17: the elite, right, Well then they and I said, then
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 17: you get guys who aren't Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith
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  Speaker 17: or Jerry Wright, whatever it might be, and so those
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 17: shouldn't be Hall of famers. I said, well, the bottom
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 17: line is from the inception of the Hall of Fame,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 17: they mandated minimums. Once you mandate minimums, you're going to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 17: have guys other than the elite. And then once you
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 17: open the door to that, then it becomes well, I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 17: don't know about aren't monk, Oh, what about Andre Reid?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 17: What about you know, I'm only talking about one position.
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  Speaker 17: And so they get compared to look at other guys
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  Speaker 17: who have gotten in, and you say, well, they're deserving
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  Speaker 17: as those guys. And so that's the way it is.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 17: I don't know that the labor get to a thing
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  Speaker 17: where you said, I'll just have more and more and more.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 17: I actually presented a an idea a few years ago
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 17: because the one thing that bothers me, especially as being
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 17: quote an old guy, is recency bias. Of the fifteen
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 17: finalists this year, nine were first or second year eligibles,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 17: and those are those are people that the committee that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 17: has gotten younger just saw in the twenty twenty season, right,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: Willie Anderson, Tory Holt. Tory Holt's been eligible for twelve years,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 17: you know who, A lot of people to commit. He
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 17: never even saw him play, right, and so but now
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 17: it's it's trending even more. I don't know what's gonna
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 17: happen tomorrow night, but I would suspect that there's gonna
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 17: be you know, first first time eligibles and the second
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 17: time eligibles. You know, last year Adam Vineccieri didn't get
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 17: in as the first time eligible. I think he, you know,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 17: he very well could this year. So I think that,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 17: you know, hurts it because the numbers tell you.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: I know that.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 17: When you have even even the old way, it was hard.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: And I'll get to what my idea was in a second.
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  Speaker 17: Even the old way, if you have five finalists, they
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 17: all get in. Now you have ten guys coming back, right,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 17: but then you have first time eligibles coming into it,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 17: who are at least in the final fifteen. Well, that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: keeps some other people that can't even get in the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 17: room to be discussed. It's hard to get in that room.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 17: And then all of a sudden they're not in the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 17: final fifteen for a few years, and then they're kind
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 17: of forgotten about. Then all of a sudden they come back,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 17: like an Eric Allen last year, I think it was
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 17: in his eighteenth year of eligibility, and he gets elected
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 17: because of thinking, oh, we don't want him going into
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 17: the senior's abyss. And so those are some of the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 17: little things that happened. So my idea was, and I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 17: was told by someone in the Hall of Fame, we
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 17: don't care if we have a big class, right, So
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 17: I said, well, why don't you have a thing where
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 17: with a maximum two if one or two first time
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 17: eligibles get elected and another one or two guys that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 17: had the next most votes and have a bigger class,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 17: but don't make it harder for some of those other
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 17: guys to get in, because the first time eligibles, you know,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 17: and end up getting in a lot of the times
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 17: there Now, last year there weren't one any of those,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 17: maybe because of the process, but in previous years there's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 17: times when there's been two or three first time eligibles
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 17: come in, and that hurts other guys who have been
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 17: waiting for quite a long time.
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  Speaker 7: So anyway, it's it's to me, it's they're over complicating it.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 30: It's more changes they're going to be yeah, probably yeah,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 30: And they're probably especially with that with this the way,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 30: the way, this WI all the way all you know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 30: all this happened, and I didn't talk that much about
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 30: it in the last week because I didn't think it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 30: should be talked about because we didn't know Robert Kraft's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 30: fate and I don't there's in my mind, there's no
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 30: question that those two guys being in in the same.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 17: Year as the finalists ended up hurting each other.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 12: And and I want to ask you a question because
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: I think for a lot of Patriots fans they feel
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 12: like there's a bias towards the Patriots that's growing. You know,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: Bill Belichick doesn't get it on the first ballot, Mister
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 12: Craft can't get in period. Out of Mintaria, doesn't get
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: it in the first ballot. Do you when you have
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 12: these deliberations, do you sense that there's any saltiness or
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 12: anything like that towards the team.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 17: No, don't sense that.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 17: I will say that in the discussion for Bill Belichick
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 17: that spygate was discussed, and there was there was, you know,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 17: some pushing back pretty hard on that, and so it
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 17: was discussed. The flake gate very little. It wasn't you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 17: talked about, you know, all that much. And it didn't
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 17: come up in the discussion for Robert Kraft because I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 17: think there is the belief that he didn't know. I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 17: don't think he might not have either, he didn't know
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 17: about that, and that you cannot.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Discussion.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 17: I said, there was very little. It was mentioned but
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 17: it wasn't discussed as much as Sky as spygate was.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 17: And it's kind of it. And I know it's probably, hey,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 17: there's there's a got sick of the Patriots and all that,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 17: a certain number of people out there, but it was
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 17: interesting to me. Obviously we don't know all the vitriol
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 17: last week was and I saw someone said, I'm not
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 17: even a Patriots fan, but this is crazy and spygate
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 17: shouldn't even be considered, you know. And the funny thing
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 17: to me is Jimmy Johnson his quote, well, oh everybody
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 17: was trying it, or we tried and it didn't work. Well,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 17: I said, well, I will say this, maybe we should
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 17: take him out. Well maybe, but I will say this,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 17: and total objectivity. If it wasn't working to some level
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 17: for the Patriots, why would they have done it for
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 17: so along?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 17: So there was something there. I think the Patriots, we
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 17: don't know.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: How much with spygate was not that they did it
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: because teams were trying to decipher you know, uh signals
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: in their own different way. But when they were told
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: to stop, they did. That's that's that was their sin.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: And they were told to stop and they didn't stop and.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 17: Then at the end and that that happened with the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 17: Saints with the bounty scandal, where they were told to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 17: stop and they didn't and the league came down on them.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 17: And so what's what's interesting is that when the whole
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 17: investigation came and then the League told the Patriots to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 17: just told Belichick and the Patriot to destroy the or
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 17: to hand over the tapes, and they refused. So the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 17: League comes there and destroys them right well, and some
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 17: almost say, well, why did they destroy them? But I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 17: don't think the league knew what was on them, but
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 17: they didn't want whatever was on them being found out
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 17: by the PA. But I do think though that even
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 17: if there were some who had a pushback because of that,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 17: I don't and I don't know if we'll ever know
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 17: how many votes Belichick really got. I saw one report
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 17: he got thirty nine. Then someone told me the other
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 17: day they saw supposed to report that he only got
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 17: thirteen votes. I can't believe that that's the case. I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 17: do believe, and I know I don't have anything, no
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 17: proof of it, that if it was up or down,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 17: that those who had a concern about it would have
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 17: voted for him. And one of the reasons being, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 17: maybe we shouldn't some voters do this. One voter came
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 17: out and said, I was like kind of on the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 17: fence with Belichick because of some of the stuff, but
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 17: I voted for him because just so he would be elected.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 17: And then that opens the door for more coaches. You know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 17: last year, Mike Holmgren was a coach finalist and obviously
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 17: didn't get the forty votes. So he's still waiting, along
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 17: with Mike Shanahan and along with Tom coffin.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: Idea, no one can get in over Belichick, right.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 17: Right for everybody behind it, No, no, exactly, and you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 17: only have one person there's you know, that's the thing.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 17: And there were some who wondered, quite honestly, and I
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 17: don't know how much this affected the vote. This is
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 17: a Hall of Fame decision. Little background here. Back in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 17: the early two thousands, when after Bill after Bill Parcells
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 17: left the Jets, he became eligible because there was a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 17: one year waiting period for coaches back then as.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: There is now.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 17: But that was just changed too, and no one knows
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 17: why it was one year, And so Parcells told his
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 17: presenter and he made it to the finals, told his presenter,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 17: I'm not coming back. Don't worry about I'm not going
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 17: to coach again. Well, the committee didn't believe him, right,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 17: and they didn't vote him in that year or the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 17: next year, and then guess what the following year he
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 17: went but he coached the Cowboys. But the Hall of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 17: Fame reacted and also made the coach waiting period five years,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 17: just like the players. Now, I on my level, I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 17: think that's probably too many. I understand you don't want
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 17: a situation where a guy comes back at it sometimes
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 17: old and they're older. Yeah, so don't make it five.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 17: Maybe compromise and make it three. But they then all
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 17: of a sudden last year, out of nowhere, they changed
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 17: it to one again, and so some are saying, well, Belichick,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 17: if was just throwing it the way they did, he
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 17: wouldn't even been eligible this year. So it's there's all
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 17: those things surrounding it that raise a lot of questions.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: Given me a headache. I can't imagine what it gives you.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Why do you think this year we found out so
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: much information before?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 17: Well, that's that's a big question. Now, you know, I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 17: know that anybody who was told and let's you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 17: we voted three weeks ago, from yesterday, January thirteenth, and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 17: we didn't we it couldn't come from our committee. That's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 17: the one thing. Because we weren't even told the results.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 17: We don't know what the vote was, and we don't
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 17: know who got in. Right. Well, they travel around the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 17: country and knock on, you know, the doors of the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 17: houses of people. There's camera people, there's other everyone has
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 17: to sign an NDA.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 17: Well, but here's the thing. The Hall of Fame contacts
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 17: all of the guys who didn't get in and tells
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 17: them in advance. I think in the ESPN story, which
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 17: was it seems like so long ago now it was
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 17: last week, right, I think they said that had been
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 17: told the previous friday.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: Did he leak it?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 17: Did he tell people that, hey, I didn't get in,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 17: and then those people told somebody else, and all of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 17: a sudden ESPN has the story, and then all of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 17: a sudden they have the Craft story, you know, a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 17: week later that he didn't get in either. So the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 17: Hall is very concerned with that and the leaks. They
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 17: were also very concerned. I'll tell you this about some
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 17: of the things that selectors anonymously told not you know,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 17: well off, not off the record, but without a name
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 17: attachment told the ESPN writers things that were said in
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 17: the room, including the one that was claimed that Bill
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 17: what Bill Pollion said, which he didn't say, the one
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 17: about well he should wait a year that was never
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 17: said during the meeting, and so they're very concerned about that.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 17: But they like to find out who because we're not
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 17: supposed we can talk about general things, but certainly not
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 17: in advance, but we can talk about general things that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 17: were discussed, but not specific things that somebody said, even
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 17: if you don't say the name of the person. And
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 17: so they're concerned about that. But how they gonna be
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 17: able to find out, I mean, that's.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: Before you go. I know we talked about Hall of Fame,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: but give us your take in the game.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 10: What are you thinking?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 17: You know, I think that I think on paper, at least,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 17: I think Seattle is the better team, but we all
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 17: know that doesn't matter a lot of times. And it's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 17: a very intriguing matchup because, I mean, everyone knew how
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 17: great Seattle's defense was all year, but I think there
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 17: was so much chatter about the Patriots and Drake May
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 17: and all that that no one was paying attention and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 17: talking about, oh, they didn't play anybody. The schedules, you know,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 17: strength the schedule is very low, and I don't know
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: that anybody was paying as much attention to that defense.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 17: Now in the playoffs they certainly have, So that makes
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 17: it very intriguing. Does that make Sam Darnold not play
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: to the level that he's been playing. I think the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 17: wild card in all which I believe is the difference
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 17: in that game against the Broncos, is Drake may run
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 17: in the football. The question becomes, now, though, does he
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 17: take those opportunities to run knowing that he's got you
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 17: know that there might be a re injury to the shoulder,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 17: Well that that's true, But if he gets hurt and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 17: all of a sudden he can't continue, then that's yeah,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 17: a one hundred percent right on that aspect. Obviously, it's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 17: the fourth quarter and it's a huge play. You're gonna
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 17: take your shot. But in the first or second quarter,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 17: you know, maybe well maybe I don't know if I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 17: should take the chance here, or you go down a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 17: little bit early and maybe the play doesn't become as
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 17: as big as it might have been. So I think
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 17: that's a big wild card in the game.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: I agree, his legs could be a huge factor in
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: this game, but.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 17: It's it's, like I said, it's a very intriguing matchup.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 17: And just because I.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: Think at McDonald, because you know, like he was to me,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: he flew a little under the radars to everyone was
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: talking about, you know, Ben Johnson and Cohen in Jacksonville,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, here come the Seahawks
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: with this first year coach, second year coach, but young guy,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: and you know everybody is, oh, now, he might be
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: MVP coach candidate, Like what is it about him that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: makes him a good coach?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 17: It's a great question. And I think that part of
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 17: no one was paying attention is that last year, everyone
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 17: forgets they tied for first place in the division with
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 17: the Rams. They were ten and seven in his first year.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 17: But he also took over a program that was already
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 17: pretty good.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah right.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 17: He wasn't taken over a team that was four and
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 17: thirteen or anything like that. The year before, I'm pretty
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 17: sure they were either nine and eight or eight and nine.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 17: I think it was nine and eight, and so he
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: was already taken over a team that was in a
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 17: good place with one of the better talent evaluators and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 17: general managers in the league in John Schneider. And so
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 17: last year they did what they did. Then this year
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 17: they're still flying a little bit under the radar because
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 17: they weren't in the postseason. And then they just go
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 17: out and they just you know, have that defense, and
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 17: they made some key moves with you know, signing DeMarcus Lawrence,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 17: you know, Sam Darnold, and everyone was wondering, how how
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 17: is he going to play? Was last year of Fluke.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 17: He didn't play well at the end of the season
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 17: in a key regular season game and then in the
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 17: playoff game. So but McDonald he came from. You know,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 17: the interesting thing that I found as I was looking
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 17: up him because well I probably didn't tell you guys this,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 17: but you know I do Lindy's Pro Football magazine. Yeah,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 17: I've been doing that for over thirty years. And he's
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 17: publishing a magazine on the pay on the Seahawks if
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 17: they win. Oh really, because he does a lot of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 17: these specials and they prepared in advance, so it goes
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 17: to the printer Monday morning, right, and so they have
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 17: to do stories and I had I did a story
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 17: on it on Mike McDonald, and I had to write
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 17: it as if they won, right right, because the game
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 17: will if it and if no one will ever see
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 17: the story. Well, the interesting thing was that from stuff
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 17: that John Schneider had heard about Mike McDonald, he said,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 17: you're going to be impressed with this guy. You're going
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 17: to be impressed with him. And so the story goes
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 17: that he was he was the Ravens defensive coordinator, and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 17: that Schneider was praying that they would lose the AFC
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 17: Championship game to the Chiefs, which that would have been
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 17: twenty twenty three season, I guess, because yeah, twenty three season,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 17: and he was hoping they would lose so he'd be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 17: able to get right after him. And the game was
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 17: played on January twenty eighth, and three days later, Schneider
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 17: was hired, I mean, McDonald's hired by the Seahawks and
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 17: then and then they've gone from there and.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: Oh, he's it's good to see the young coaches. Needs
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: more good head coaches, that's for sure.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 17: And for the most part, everyone's hiring these young guys,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 17: you know, guys from the from the McVeigh tree, the.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: Tight pants guys. Yeah, so it's all right, Howard, it's
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: so good to have you here.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 17: My pleasure.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: We appreciate you coming. It's good to see you again.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: Howard Ballzer fifty years right, forty five.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 17: Forty five Super Bowls. This is my fiftieth fifty season covering.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: All right, all right, well thanks Howard. We are going
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: to take a break.
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  Speaker 12: And how long is this guy waited versus that? Like
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  Speaker 12: this guy's been waiting for one hundred years and ready
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  Speaker 4: Into the Hall of Fame, waiting that long.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: Maybe he's not right, Maybe he should you know? Yeah,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I guess there are Eric.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Allen thing right, and Eric Allen's a really good player.
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  Speaker 9: Like I'm not telling you, yes, no, indifferent, but if
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  Speaker 9: it's taken eighteen years, he's probably not a Hall of
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  Speaker 9: Fame right right?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 7: I like the abyss.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, talking about all these guys you don't get
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  Speaker 8: in senior abyss.
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  Speaker 9: Right, I don't know, that's that's me, Mike, the PU
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 9: senior abyss. You're in the abyss with Fred Kursh. You're
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 9: in the hall after after Eric, but you're in no like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, vo did that hurt Eric?
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  Speaker 6: Like for Bull they saw and they put him in
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: the Just no, there was no debate right to the hall.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't make you wait it for you?
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  Speaker 1: Is there amount? Only that I was with the inaugural
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: class there you go?
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  Speaker 28: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So that is that is true?
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  Speaker 7: He says, with this chin up.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Fred Kursh ball now.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Uh Kendall from North Carolina has been holding on. He's
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: trying again. Uh Kendall, are you there? See you know
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna call, you gotta you gotta hang on,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: you gotta be patient.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Having issues.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: Kendall is not there. How about Sabah from North Carolina.
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  Speaker 6: I hope I'm saying your name correctly, So yes, am
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  Speaker 32: Okay?
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  Speaker 28: Great?
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  Speaker 32: Hey this saba down here in North Carolina? Okay, yep, yes,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 32: I am all in on right Maye. But I'm upset
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 32: and how I'm here and I'm gonna be Redskins fans.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 32: I hear a lot of chat. I'm hearing you guys.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 32: I listen to you guys and watch all the shows.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 32: I can double dipping on both.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 28: Teams here, and I don't like what I'm hearing about.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 32: Brake may had a good regular season, but not a
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 32: good postseason. Okay, well, look what he did against the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 32: best defense in the league. One up, and he threw
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 32: three touchdown passes. What other quarterback did that? And in
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 32: the snow, I can barely walk to my corner, so
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 32: this guy's throwing passes. And then in Denver it was
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 32: a month soon out there, and he did what his
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 32: soups told him to do. But yet we walked at
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 32: the same time, which I agree. The defense is good
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 32: for the Patriots, but you.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 28: Guys would act like the defense is why they won
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 28: the games.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 32: Well, the defense is playing bad quarterbacks. Okay, but Drake
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 32: May doesn't get credit for beating bad quarterbacks. But the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 32: defense gets credit for beating bad quarterback.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: Drake he might win the MVP because he beat a
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: lot of bad quarterbacks.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you've heard many times. She didn't. She
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't think it's particularly close. She thinks Drake May's the MVP.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 32: Well, they shouldn't be. At the point is he's getting criticized.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 28: Even by you guys. He doesn't have a good game.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 32: Goes didn't have a good game and throws three deep
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 32: dimes against the Houston Texas.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: He threw one deep dove.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 32: That's a bad game.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Then he's elite, so he didn't play well.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: When you turn the ball over, you only talked about
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: the three touchdowns. You didn't talk about the three turnovers.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: That means he That means he didn't have a good game.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 32: Yes, the game is when you have mistakes without the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 32: good plays.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: No, that that would be. That would be having a
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: terrible game. That would be c J.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: Stroud Listen, I I love your passion. I love your passion,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: and you like y'all.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm having I'm having a lot of fun with you.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I am having a lot of fun with you.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: I love I appreciate the call, and I do love that.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: I love your passion and you stick by Drake. But
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: here's here's the thing.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: Here's and I think we both can agree we haven't
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: even seen the best from Drake.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: May would you agree with that?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 10: Not at all?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: Okay, he's like.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 32: A kid crawling. You don't want your kids come out
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 32: of your body, jumping on trampoline.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: That's right, I hear that. I absolutely love this.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 10: Anybody you got to give her a show.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 7: We need you gonna a frequent caller on this show.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, please stop double dipping. Just come out.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: I'm like, I kind of think I might know who
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: that is really like internet from the internets?
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 7: Oh really or in real life? Maybe was it Bart?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh it was bar Yeah? No, well it might
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: have been whoever Fred got for Barth?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: Who knows.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: I'll see if I get a text in about thirty seconds.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: Are we we're getting things about it?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: I love it?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: A headset audio problems? Are we good? We're all good?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right they said there was a little problem
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: coming out of the break. No, okay, oh yeah, okay,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: all right, Well but I loved I love.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: The passion, and I hope that wasn't the plants call.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I hope that was real. So I don't want to,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: like every think there was a plant now, so now
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's ruined.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: Who would have planted that?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 12: Because I love that call? So, uh it was Sabah
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 12: from North Carolina? Yeah, okay, did Rom Carolina. But Jess's
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 12: step mom name is Sonia from South Carolina. It is
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 12: a Redskins commander's fan, really, and it sounds.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: Exactly like that.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 12: And I've been telling she's a big passionate football fan,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 12: and I've been telling her that she needs to call in,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 12: and I wonder if she just made up her name.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: But then it was a real call though, that she had,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: that was real passion.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: That's totally off base with that.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 9: But like I was, like I was, it was like
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 9: Alex on the other side of the room, like disguising
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 9: her voice just so she was getting an argument with me.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: So I know this, Your wife's mother sounds just like stepmom.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, And she's same Southern accent. She
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 12: is a commander's she calls them, she still calls them
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 12: by their former name.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: So that's the tip off.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, and so yeah, I'm gonna have didn't she
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 12: just used her regular name. Maybe she was trying to
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 12: go in disguise.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Okay, maybe I'm totally wrong and this
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: is a totally different Just.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: To be fair, sometimes the names on the call screen
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: your are a little off, and.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: Her name is a little bit unique.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: So she said, yeah, that's funny.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: I have to make make a few much funny after this.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: So we got we got some former Patriots time, we
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: got Joe millwalka Bay, we got Taekwon.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say that's Taekwon.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't recognize him only by the wrists.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, he looks fast, Yeah, Norway from Arizona. Just checking
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: to see if Evan finally got his audition with ESPN.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: Did he gets to rub elbows with his ball knowing
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: idol Dan? Oh, they were close. They didn't quite rub ebels,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: But I thought I was about to you didn't. I
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: was like I was hoping for like a a little.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: Knowing nod, like an old Western Yeah I know you
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 8: and you know me?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 7: Would you say?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 17: His girl?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: Meta chimes could perhaps get him on the audition, considering
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: how much he loves his ball knowing.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: So we had me to kimes on and Evan had
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: his time with her.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she's telling Bill Summons about him.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the guy's got to be the empire.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: That's another one that.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, another one I worked with in the paste that
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 9: left me behind Kingmaker.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: Let's see Mason from Upstate New York, says Diana Racidi
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 6: said live on Zoe and Bertrand that MaTx Crosby would
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: love to play for Mike Rabel.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: That'd be a slam dunk.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, but there's been some tea leaves about is that.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's a that's a first round pick, right,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, that's I mean at least yeah.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: You know toy is he twenty eight?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: And then he's I'm not sure there's a price.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I do a first round pick.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 12: But yeah, especially the thirty second overall pick in the draft.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 12: But yeah, there's been a lot of tea leaves about that.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Twenty eight.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 12: He's been pretty vocal about how impressed he is with
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 12: the Patriots and how impressed he is with Rabel and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 12: all those types of things during this playoff run, because
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 12: he's doing some podcasting like they all do these days.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: He's doing his old.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 12: Own media stuff. Got to get you on the pod,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 12: very high praise for for Rabel and the Patriots. And
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 12: so maybe she's just kind of reading between the lines
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 12: or playing matchmaker a little bit.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: I like it reporting on that.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: But yeah, uh, Ben writes, and he's in woods hole.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: That's down by my neck of the woods.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: As a video production professional, the Duncan cups on the table.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: Are really stressing me out. Anyone almost knocked one over yet?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: Well then do a bit Fred, Oh there you go.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 7: I don't have an empty so I don't worry about football. Question.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: How much of the Patriots defensive performances in the playoffs
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: have been because of the defense's dominance versus the opposing
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks incompetence.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 9: So I thought when Mina brought that up, you know,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 9: she thought, maybe the Patriots offense is being underrated based
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 9: on their performance. Isn't bad weather in the Patriots defense
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 9: is being overrated.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: A little bit.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: No one's really mentioned the weather for the Patriots defense.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like you might hear like how bad the quarterback
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 9: play was, you know, but you're not hearing like, well,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 9: the weather contributed to that it was the Patriot's defense
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: dominated c J. Stroud, not the weather hurt CJ. Stroud,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 9: and then he got spugged by the defense, do you
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, I do think there's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: probably an element of truth to what Mina said about
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: one's probably not quite as good as you think and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 9: the other is probably better than you think.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's definitely truth to that.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 12: I'm actually have been working on something this week about,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 12: you know, the players, the Patriots players, whether it's just
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 12: kind of extra motivation to already being motivated or whatever inspired.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 12: Sorry inspired, We don't motivate, we inspire here. But regardless,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 12: they have clearly heard on the defensive side of the ball,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 12: the lack of hype for themselves, you know, like they
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 12: have clearly used that as motivation every week. It's the
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 12: Texans defense, it's the Broncos defense is the best defense
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 12: in the game. Now the Seahawks defense is the best defense.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 12: Or they're playing with a backup quarterback, or CJ. Stroud
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 12: stinks or whatever all these other excuses are. And I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 12: guess whatever motivates you right when, whatever, whatever works.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: But every guy that I talked to was pretty clear that. Yeah,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: like we hear it and we we are.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Using I was in on Milton Williams the other night
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: at Opening Night. Yeah, he was definitely he.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Seems to lead. Yeah, he definitely does.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 12: But even the guy like Christian Ellis, who is like
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 12: the nicest guy and like very unassuming in terms of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 12: these types of things, even he was like saying, yet
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 12: one hundred percent, you know that this guy is uh,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 12: you know, this is in our heads sort of thing
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 12: in a good way.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: You know, they're using it as motivation.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do think that he does well
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: with that. You know, some guys it's so foolished and fake.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: But Milton Williams just like, no, yeah, yeah, no, don't
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: they don't. They don't think they're any good. Yeah, he's
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 9: a serious da.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: He does, Yeah, he does. He does well with that.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't get the respect him.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 12: He said that they're gonna find another reason if they
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 12: beat Seattle. It will be something else, you know, you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 12: know Darnold played terribly or you know, it will be
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 12: another reason why.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: And not giving the Patriots defense any.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 7: Will I got.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: I got a question, is is there any chance that
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: the Seattle defense is a little overrated.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: No, no, politely no, yeah, I mean when you think about,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: you know, the length of the season, the team you
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: know coming through the NFC, I think, you know, just
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: like I would be defensive if the Patriots, you know,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: someone asked about that. No, I don't think they're underrated.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: I think that I think they've earned the rating that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: they have.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on what you think.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 9: But to go whatever it is, nineteen games and give
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: up thirty points twice, like, that's pretty good.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 9: And that's you know, in the NFC West, where you're
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 9: playing some better teams on a consistent basis. I've seen
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 9: Evans Idle find a way to light up team after
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: team after team, and he shut them down twice, the
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 9: Niners late in the season with with all the marbles,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 9: one for the number one seed and one in the
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 9: actual playoffs, and they couldn't move the ball an inch.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 9: So I would tend to think, no, they're not overrated.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: But any defense can be beaten. Any defense can beat
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 9: And that.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 8: Goes back to my thing of there's only a few
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: defenses that are truly special, and otherwise you can have
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 8: a defense that's good enough to win the Super Bowl,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: and I guess that's just I haven't heard one single
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: person asked that question this week.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: Everybody is in you know, maybe it is deserved.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: I just don't wanted to pose it because sometimes when
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 8: it's just over and over and you just get built up,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: like you can't even move the ball on them.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know, we'll see the Super Bowls anywhere.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 12: I hear what you're saying. I don't know, you can't
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 12: move the ball on them, like they're the eighty five.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 12: Theres is obviously exaggerating, which we tend to do. But
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 12: I think with them, it's it's between them and Houston
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 12: as the two best defenses in the league. And I
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 12: think Houston has a little bit better talent, but I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 12: think the Seattle scheme is better than Houston.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 9: What I watched in Houston's like, you can't move the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: ball on them. Yeah, like that's what I saw on
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 9: that day. Now I know that they had you know,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 9: the plays, but you could they couldn't move the ball. Yeah,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: they had like one good drive in the game. Yeah,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 9: they had a lot of drives.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 12: I think this Seattle defense, like I said, you know,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 12: they don't have a will Anderson. You know, I don't
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 12: think that Witherspoon's a really good player, is he? Derek
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 12: Stingley Junior?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: Probably not. But they have a terrific.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 12: Defensive scheme and a play caller that kind of knows
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 12: when to push the right buttons, and they have droves
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 12: of depth on defense.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: You know, that's the thing.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 24: You know.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: Like, admittedly, and I said this before on a previous show,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: I didn't really pay a lot of attention to the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: Seahawks as the season progressed, But then, you know, toward
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: the end of the season, I started watching them and
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: just my eyeball, like they're about their my eyeball tests
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: about their defense.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, these guys are good. Yeah, Like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: they fly all.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: Over the place, they're good tacklers, they don't make a
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: lot of mistakes. Yeah, you know when they do, they
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: can recover like they look like a good defense. Yeah,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: they're no fluke. Yeah, there's nothing fluky about them.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 12: I think that one of the biggest compliments that you
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 12: can have schematically is when you start seeing teams borrow
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 12: play that other teams are running.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: You know, who started to.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 12: Stretch stuff down and McDonald I think is probably the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 12: best blitzer in terms of designing blitzes in the NFL,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 12: and him and Jesse Minter, you know, have kind of
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 12: have this little tree going now that's you know, stems
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 12: from Wing Martindale and some of the things that Wing
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 12: Martindale used to do as well. But like that that
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 12: play calling tree is now like the envy of the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 12: league on defense, just like the Shanahan tree is the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 12: envy of the league on offense. Like everybody is putting
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 12: in Seattle blitzes into their into their defense because of
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 12: how good they are. So that's the type of stuff
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 12: that you hear about with McDonald. But I think the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 12: interesting thing about him, you're asking Howard about him, he's
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 12: very uh different from Rabel. Like he's not a very
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 12: energetic guy. He's not like a very demonstrative personality. He
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 12: is like a true Jim Rat, Like he just is
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 12: all ball. He's very like straight faced and like expressionless,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 12: and you know, very different. Even just seeing them.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: Up there on opening night, Like the contrast.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 12: Of like Rabel's energy that we're so used to seeing
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 12: now and McDonald's kind of just you know, stoicness. It's
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 12: a very different type of approach. He's not a raw
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 12: rack guy, like I don't think that he's going into
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 12: the locker room and rallying the troops in the same sense,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 12: but they trust him because of how good of a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 12: coach he is.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think Seattle has earned the praise that
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: they're getting a defense and they are, you know, one
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: of the best defense in the league. I think Milton Williams,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: on the other hand, maybe he's got a case that
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: the Patriots are being a little bit underrated because I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: look at the Patriots and I think, you know what
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: happened when Milton Williams and Spallaine were out and it
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: made a difference. When they came back, it made a difference,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: which tells me they're a good defense, but they're not
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 6: maybe not quite as deep.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 9: I would agree that I think that people have overlooked
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 9: the Patriots defense, and I would put my in that category.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: I wasn't anticipating the kind of performance that we've seen
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 9: in the postseason.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: From that side of the ball.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: I do, would absolutely do think that the weather and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 9: the opponents had something to do with it, but I
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 9: wouldn't have said that they'd be able to shut down
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 9: three straight teams.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: The way that they shut down all three of these teams.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that that was possible.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: That run defense that we saw in the beginning of
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: the season that kind of had a little bit of
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: a letdown and then and picked it up.
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  Speaker 4: It's for real. The Patriots run defense is for real.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, one thing I think, as Patriots fans you
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: can count on for this game is they're going to
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: be stout against the run, right you know, So that's
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: that's something that's a chip in you know, a bird
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: in the hand that you can count on in this game.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I wanted to ask Evan a little about that.
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  Speaker 8: As you mentioned, ev they run a lot of wide zone,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 8: and really I remember Bill coaching against the wide zone
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: where they just kind of go along with him, and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: it seems like this defense you're just cutting gaps, you're
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 8: trying to get through, You're not trying to like stay
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 8: what parallel with the line of scrimmage. I think with
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 8: you know, the kind of two gaping style, was you know,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 8: does that have the chance to make some plays in
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 8: the backfield and maybe for some turnovers.
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  Speaker 12: I think one of the few times, and I'm sure
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 12: there are other times when one of the few times
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 12: where it publicly became a thing.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: In Super Bowl fifty three against the Rams. There's a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: clip on the sideline.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 12: I don't know if it's our clip or his NFL
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 12: films or whatever, where Bill is talking to the defensive
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 12: line and he's saying, get vertical, get vertical, get vertical,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 12: because the kryptonite to outside zone is interior penetration. So
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 12: that's that they want to stretch it out. They want
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 12: to get to the corner. So if you can just
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 12: get right in the backfield. So that was the one
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 12: game where they ran They ran, you know, an even front.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 12: They ran the six to one and they they threw
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 12: out the two gaping and they shot gaps and they
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 12: got up the field.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: So I fully expect the Patriots to want to do
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: that again.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 12: And I actually went back and watched Brian Flores and
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 12: the Vikings play this Seahawks offense a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 12: and Brian Flores just ran the Super Bowl fifty three
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 12: g plan against them. They played six to one, they
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 12: played a too high safety shell. It was literally he
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 12: just took the Super Bowl fifty three game plan and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 12: put it into this game.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: And that was one of Darnold's worst games statistically.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: They blitzed a lot in that game, if I recall.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and it was one of those games they they
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: won handily, but it was because yeah, yeah, because Broswa
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 9: played and he couldn't handle anything that Seattle was doing.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: They shut him out.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And they could have played that game for three
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 9: weeks and the Vikings weren't going to score a point,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 9: but the Seahawks got the possession after possession after and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 9: they still couldn't score.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: They couldn't mount any drives.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was a lot of you know, six to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 12: one fronts, and then the exotics on third down with
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 12: the simulated pressures and things like that over like a
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 12: sixty percent blitz rate on third down because they were
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 12: stopping to run on first down and getting them into
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 12: third and pass and so then you can start to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 12: cook up those pass rushes.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: And you know, when it comes to these games, it's
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: it's as much as when you do things as much
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: as it is what you do. So you know, you're
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: talking about those blitzer deserved shooting gaps instead of you know, uh,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: you know, playing man up and you know, just doing
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: the zero technique or whatever you want to call it,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: it's when you do things, it's when you blitz. The
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: timing of it that is so key. And that's why
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: Seattle has been so good. It's they they seem to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 6: time up things really well.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, in that ram Super Bowl, they they kept on
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 12: showing all out pressure the Patriots did, but they only
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 12: brought it one time and it was Stefan Gilmour's interception.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: It was the one time they actually brought the house.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 12: And they kept showing it and showing it and showing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 12: it and then falling out of it once the ball
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 12: is snapped. And the one time they brought the house,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 12: they got a you know, a guy right in on
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 12: golf and he threw up an arm punt to Stefan
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 12: Gilmore and that was kind of the ball game. So
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 12: they That could be a big part of it too,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 12: is you try to kind of lull them to sleep
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 12: a little bit and then save it for the exact
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 12: right moment and try to send the house.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: Chris writes in do you expect McDaniels to open up
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: the playbook a bit considering his offense hasn't been able
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 6: to play in anything but snow or wetness. Because I
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: believe the weather has helped a bit, not allowing the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 6: Pages to put a lot more of their playoff install
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: on film.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: I also expect some trickery from him as well. What
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: do you guys think.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 9: I think we've seen that in the first three games,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: and I expect to see more of it. There's been
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: trick plays in every game, usually more than one. I
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 9: expect to see something. I don't know what it will be.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 9: You know, you guys were talking about the throwback to
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 9: Brady in one of the Super Bowls. You know, we
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: didn't really see a whole lot of the direct snaps,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 9: you know, the flea flickers. We've seen a couple of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 9: variations of flee flickers just in the last five or
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: six weeks.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: There's been two.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: Stay trying to throw it to Drake and Aptonism threw
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: it over his head.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I expect to see more of that.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I think one of the things that you look at
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 12: with the Seattle defense, I don't know if it's necessarily
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 12: trick plays, but they're so good in structure, like they're
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 12: they're such a good pass defense, just you know, straight
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 12: up in structure on the play. But the one thing
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 12: that they have had some issues with. Are second reaction
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 12: or out of structure or playground football, I guess is
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 12: the best way to say it.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 7: So some of that is.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 12: Desperation, right, you know, guy quarterbacks running for his life
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 12: and he stumbles into a play here or there, which
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 12: is kind of what happened to Brock Purdy, I would say.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 12: But some of that also is, you know, can you
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 12: kind of break down their zones a little bit where well,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 12: now that you know Drake May gets out of the pocket,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 12: he's extending the play. They got a plaster they got
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 12: to take him or whatever, and maybe he can pop
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 12: open some receivers by doing that. It's really hard to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 12: beat them just dropping.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Back the pass and trying to beat their coverage. They're
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: just too good in the back end.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 12: So maybe Drake May getting outside the pocket and extending
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 12: to play a little bit. And I would like to
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 12: see him do it as a thrower, you know, like
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 12: maybe a little bit more than what we've seen in
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 12: the playoffs. He's been great as a runner, but can
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 12: they get him back into extending plays with his eyes
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 12: down the field a little bit more to try to
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 12: be a thrower.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 6: I'd feel better about that if up at this point,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: Pop had been more part of the offense as a receiver,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: because you know, when you talk about running, you know,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: throwing on the run, you need your receivers to be
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: on the same page.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: You need them to be traveling with you.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: And you know, like we haven't seen a lot of
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: that from Pop, and I think he's the guy that
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: I think has the quickness to be able to do that.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they're just they're they're so sound, and when you
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 12: look at just trying to beat them, you know, within
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 12: the pocket instructure, hit the top of your drop and throw.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 12: Like they're just so good at all the things that
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 12: you know, they're taking away everything in the back end
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 12: and it might take, you know, for the Patriots to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 12: win this game. Drake May making a few plays with
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 12: his legs, you know, outside the pocket to try to.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: Open it up a little bit.
• 1:54:49
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• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: I think is that correct?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Either that or Old Rochester?
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  Speaker 7: Cool? Yeah, Noah, Noah?
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  Speaker 7: What's up?
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  Speaker 10: Noah?
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  Speaker 20: Hey, how's the guard?
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 28: I've got a cool question for you guys.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, with the.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: Super Bowl coming up, I'm a big Patriots fan, but
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: I know we got a lot of rookies.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 16: With that being said, how do you guys feel the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 16: Pats we're gonna do with the offense being filled with
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 16: a bunch of rookies.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: It's a great quest.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, look, I think by this point they played
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: a lot of football, No question, nobody's played in a
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 8: super Bowl and it's a step up. But I think
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: that the confidence this team has, and you know, just
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 8: I think Mike Frabel's ability to get his guys to go.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 8: I have good confidence that they're gonna come out and
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 8: play pretty well. But you know, it's a grind.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: This is a long game.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: There are lots of ebbs and flows in a Super Bowl,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: and I mean, I don't know if it's just the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: schedule of it all and the timing and the halftime
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 8: and all that stuff, But when we talked a little
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 8: bit about Super Bowl thirty eight, that's the perfect example
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 8: of just a game that was drunk in the second
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: and fourth quarters, and you know, nobody could move the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 8: ball in.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: The first and third And I just I go back
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: to most of.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 8: The Super Bowls we've watched with the Patriots, they almost
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 8: always come down to the end.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: I think that's more likely the case in this game.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, you know, when you talk about rookies
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: on offense, obviously you talk about Henderson, but and you're
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: talking about the left side of the Patriots offensive line.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: But there's also a lot of guys they're not rookies,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: but they've never been in.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 10: A Super Bowl.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, and that's no way to know too,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 12: But that's true for ball teams. I would say there's
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 12: not a ton of Super Bowl experience on either side
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 12: at this point. It's really if you're talking offense, it's
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 12: really just the two linemen like Trayvon Henderson really hasn't
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 12: played played four snaps in.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: The AFC Championship Game.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 12: Kyle Williams really hasn't played either. Now, it's a big
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 12: the left tackle is a big position. Like, don't get
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 12: me wrong, it's not it's a big spot to have
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 12: a rookie in. But it's not exactly like they have
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 12: six rookies.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: No, it's the two.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 9: It's the two rookie offensive lineman, which I think has
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 9: never happened in a Super Bowl. Two rookie starters on
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 9: the offensive line. So yeah, I mean that's significant.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: But I agree with you.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: You know the other guys, you know, they might play
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit in this game, all right, not much.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 9: So.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: I think we're getting ready for another guest here, and
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: this one's an interesting one. We teet him up the
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: first day we're here, and uh, we scheduled him in
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: because I know a lot of Patriots fans want to
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: talk to him. So doctor doctor Chow, thank you again.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 6: Fred Kirsh Paul Parillo, So, uh, you know him from
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: the Internet. I know him from X. You know him
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 6: from IG. We're also is your do you have platforms?
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 28: Uh?
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 10: The platform?
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 11: And with you guys.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 10: Look, I'm a former NFL team physician. I do what
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 10: I call the medical Mike Pereira. I don't wish harm
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 10: On Drake may believe or not, I would I didn't
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 10: say that I'm actually a Patriots fan. Like I went
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 10: to school in the Boston area, Okay, Like I have
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 10: friends that are the Patriots.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 18: I just have a lot of Patriot fan friends. I
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 18: would look Teddy Bruce's one of my guys junior sales.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 18: But bottom line is it's just injury analysis. It's information
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 18: that's publicly available.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 10: And the other thing that I would tell Patriots fans is, look, no,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 10: I'm not examining him, not diagnosing him. It's an injury impression.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 10: Insider knowledge, not insider information. And remember, and I'll say
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 10: this because of Boston, I'm Paul Revere.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 9: I'm not the British, right, I just you know, for
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 9: medical that's a perfect description doctor Chow.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 6: He watches the games and based on what he sees
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 6: at the video evidence comes up with, you know, a
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 6: guess or an educated guess at what might be going
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: on with the player.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 10: Why did you start doing this? Honestly? The history is this, I,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 10: for seventeen years as the head team position of the
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 10: San Diego Chargers, saw players on the field, on the sideline,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 10: in the locker room the next day after an MRI,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 10: I knew exactly what their diagnosis was. But as you
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 10: guys know, on Monday in an NFL facility, everyone's looking
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 10: at film, coaches, players, whatever players used to players used
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 10: to say to me sometimes, I said, how'd you get hurt?
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 10: I'm not sure. I have to look at film. And
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 10: I usually had about half an hour to kill before
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 10: meeting with the GM, so I felt like I should
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 10: be looking at film.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 7: What was I looking for?
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 10: I had no idea. I just felt like I wanted
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 10: to be one of the cool kids, right, And so
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 10: I would go in the video. I would would show
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 10: me the coach's sideline, end zone and the TV copy,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 10: and then I would see exactly what the injury was
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 10: and then how it happened. Then after at Boy Girl
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 10: Twins married, you know, decided I can't do all this
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 10: traveling and stuff anymore. Well, before they went to LA,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 10: I never went to LA. I'm sitting on my couch
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 10: for the first time, watching a game and my wife's
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 10: and there's a guy who goes down. The announcer says, oh,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 10: that looked bad, but I think he's okay. He walked off,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 10: and I said, no, he towards ACL. I'm just talking
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 10: to the TV towards ACL. This season is over.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: And how did you know that?
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 10: By looking at the video and understanding and studying, how
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 10: does Drake may know it's a cover two. That's the
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 10: Mike linebacker, and I'm going to hit Hunter Henry on
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 10: the slant. I mean, how does he know because he's
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 10: a professional and he's looked at the film a million times. Okay,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 10: So I said, the guy towards ACL and he's done.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 10: My wife turned to me very kindly and said, tell
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 10: it to someone who cares, and I said, kindly, Hunt,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 10: I said, kindly, and she signed me up Twitter. I
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 10: was like, social Media, what is this? I don't even
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 10: know what it is? And fast forward. You know, it's
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 10: sort of gotten legs of its own as more interest
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 10: in fantasy and gambling and injuries and fandom, et cetera.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 10: And coach Rabel, who I love, by the way, is right?
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 10: Is the Drake may injury situation overblown? It one hundred
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 10: percent is. But it's the Super Bowl and it's your
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 10: starting quarterback with a new injury. I mean, it just
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 10: is what it is.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's a story, and it's a story.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: So I'm I'm I'm fine with you reporting it. So
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: I don't know why you're.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 10: No. No, no, Well look Patriots, like I guess, I
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 10: went to school in Boston here, I had three friends
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 10: call me and said, you're getting killed out here at
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 10: local media and by fans. I'm like for what I did,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 10: But it's observational reporting, is what it is. I'm just
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 10: reporting what I see. And yes, I do believe he
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 10: has an ac joint spray?
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 7: Is it serious?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 10: Look? Any injury is It's the Super Bowl? Is he
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 10: gonna play one hundred percent? Right? How well was he
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 10: gonna do?
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 7: Whatever?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 10: It is the game of football. Everyone has something going on,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 10: and we'll see like he's gonna make it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think I saw you said that his
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 8: deep ball accuracy could possibly be effective by something like this.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: That's concerning because that feels like something he's gonna need
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 8: in this game.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 10: Well, that's something that he's been really really good at.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 10: No, I'll be very careful here. I didn't say that
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 10: he couldn't throw the deep ball. I'm just saying that
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 10: would be a concern because an ac joint is when
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 10: you follow through. Now, the ac joint isn't even technically
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 10: the shoulder joint. It's around the shoulder, but it's not
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 10: part of the rotator cuff.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 7: So that's good news.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 10: It's it's not saying he can't throw the deep ball
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 10: or drive his throws. It's a question that what I
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 10: will be watching for.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 7: But knowing and.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 10: Loving Mike Rayball, I anticipate first series he's gonna have him.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 10: That's that's raybel Man, He's the man.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 12: I wanted to ask you just sorry, fred I just
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 12: wanted to ask you about driving the ball because one
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 12: of the things.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm the nerd here, so I charged all
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: the film.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 7: And all that stuff.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 12: And he was short on a number of throws in
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 12: the AFC Championship game that he wouldn't normally be throwing short,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 12: you know, deep in cuts, things like that that we've
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 12: seen Drake making his sleep and then we get into
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 12: this game and he was short arming these throws.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: Is that something that could be a byproduct of an
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: injury like this?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 10: Well, the injury happened late in the third quarter. There
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 10: were only three passes after that. One will drop back
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 10: in a sack, but there were only three passes. The
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 10: next play he gets up, he getting a little bit shoulder,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 10: gets the huddle, hands the ball off next play and
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 10: then you can see him doing this in the huddle
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 10: and the next play he completes the thirty yard fleet flicker.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 10: He saw that it wasn't a bullet pass.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: Whatever is a point, not really a follow through with authority,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: but it.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 10: Was also that's not what was needed either, So right,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 10: I mean, you got to get it over the top
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 10: and he was open, so he made the good throw.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 10: His next throw, as you know, was the out and
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 10: he dirted it. It was a horrible throw.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 7: Was it win?
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 10: Was it poor grip because of the weather. Was it
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 10: the pressure in his face that he couldn't step in
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 10: the throw? Was it the shoulder?
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 30: Was it?
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 10: It was a little bit of all. Maybe I don't know, right,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 10: but I can't attribute any of the earlier throws to
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 10: it because it happened late third quarter. And then of course,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 10: with his back to the goal line, he rolled out
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 10: and threw out a balance you know, just floated one
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 10: out of it.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: That was it.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: That was all quick, right.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 9: I just want to you know, so just to give
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 9: you a little more context again your your observational. So
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 9: after you had your your tweet, there was a report
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 9: locally that he's actually been dealing with something with the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 9: shoulder prior to this game, and whatever happened in Denver
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 9: was like sort of an aggravation of a pre existing injury,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 9: which goes back to Evans point.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: We thought he was a little off in this game.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 10: It was just a yeah, Well you can argue he
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 10: was a little off in all the playoffs compared to
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 10: the NBA paratively. Now we have gone back. We saw
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 10: that Phil Perry tweet our staff. You see some of
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 10: the guys in the mitchet. So it went back in.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 10: Looked at all the game film. Probably what you do,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 10: they feed me the relevant stuff, but they scour it all.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 10: We did not see a play where he got hurt
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 10: before that in the season in the playoffs? Could it
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 10: be cumulative as Drake has im, Look, both can be true.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 10: He could have had somewhere and tear and this new
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 10: thing happened on top of it. Of coach Coach Rabel said, Look,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 10: if he had any shoulder issue, it would have been reported.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 10: He didn't and he's tried to put it into that. Sure,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 10: but both can be true. But here's the other thing.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 10: You want your head coach to be Mike Rabel. You
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 10: want your head coach to have a little bit of
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 10: coach speak in it. You want him that's what they do.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 10: That's not a bad thing.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: So I'm not.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 10: You know, that's part of the gamesmanship of the NFL.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 10: By the way it goes. I have a question the
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 10: Denver game.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 6: At the end of the game, May runs for the
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 6: first down and goes out of bounds and then goes
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 6: down the sideline and when his right arm gives the
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 6: fist pump, did you look at that as any indication like, well,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 6: maybe it's not so bad because he's.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: You know, he also stiff armed the guy.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 10: With those yeah and stiff arm. Look great play call,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 10: And I didn't believe for one second it was wasn't
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 10: sent in from the sideline. Tom Brady in his second
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 10: year wentn't audible that call, right? I mean, come on,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 10: but the stiff arm. First of all, a c joint
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 10: is more overhead and cross body. Stiff arm probably something
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 10: that he could do, and he did do it. And also,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 10: when you're running for your life and the games online,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 10: you're gonna do anything. I don't care how much it hurts, right,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 10: but if it hurts a little bit, how might that
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 10: affect you on a fifty yard downfield pass in the subtleties,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 10: you're a fist pumping because you're excited. Look, I've said
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 10: before There's four things that gonna happen that are in
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 10: Drake May's favor to play one medically. Number one, well,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 10: first and foremost is Jim Whaling and company are gonna
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 10: do a great job, right, that's a given. But the
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 10: four things that are special is I've seen the magical
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 10: healing powers of the extra week before the Super Bowl, right,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 10: so he ain't gonna miss. The second thing is there
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 10: is a drug that he will be on come game
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 10: time that all the Patriots and Seahawks players will be
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 10: on that will be extra strength on Sunday Super Bowl Sunday,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 10: called adrenaline. So he's gonna be ready to go. Yes,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 10: he may indeed do some vitamin T toward all like
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 10: Sam Donold has been reported to do for his oblique.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 10: Is it possible to put an injection into the AC
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 10: joint and play? Yes? Will he do it or not
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 10: do it?
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 10: That's a decision to him and the team doctors, et cetera.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 10: But he's gonna be out there and play. I'm gonna
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 10: watch for his deep throw accuracy. I'm gonna fully expect
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 10: that he unloads what early on in the game to
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 10: send the message to complete the ball or what have you.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: Want to ask you about another injury on the Patriots roster,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 8: which is Robert Splaine, who kind of a mis mystery
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 8: to us. We never really saw him get hurt. All
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 8: of a sudden, we noticed his playing time kind of dipping.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: Was out for a while.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 8: Seemed like the plan was to get him back for
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 8: the playoffs. He came back, then he got hurt again,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 8: and he's back out. He said today, one hundred percent
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 8: chance he thinks he's gonna play. Anything you've seen with
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 8: Robert Splaine.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 10: Well without trying to get in trouble. I think what
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 10: got me in trouble. On my podcast two mondays ago,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 10: as I said, I was more worried about Drake May's
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 10: shoulder than Sam Darnold's oblique because it's already been two
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 10: weeks old, will be four weeks old by the Super Bowl.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 10: Drake May's news, so of course you're more worried about it.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 10: I'm actually more worried about Robert Splaine's ankle than Drake
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 10: May's shoulder. I hope you take that as good news
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 10: that I'm optimistic about the shoulder, But why did he
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 10: not come back into the game in Denver. He's a
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 10: great sideline to sideline linebacker. The footing was hard enough
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 10: in the snow, and otherwise you can't put a guy
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 10: out there with an ankle who's already having trouble cutting
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 10: on a dime on that slippery surface. He's not gonna
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 10: be as effective. Do I think he's gonna play. I
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 10: know he's gonna want to. I think he's gonna be
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 10: medically cleared to play. But it's going to come down
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 10: to a roster decision. Do you need that eighth offensive lineman,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 10: do you need that extra special teamer? What percent is
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 10: Plaine at. It's gonna be a decision made by coach
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 10: Rabel and company. He's gonna say I'm good to go
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 10: and want to play.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 30: I know it.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 10: The medical is gonna say it's safe for him to play.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 10: A percent is the question, and it will be a
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 10: mic rable call based on roster management in terms of
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 10: if he plays or not. Everyone wants to play.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 7: I hope he does.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 10: He's a great linebacker. I hope you know, the adrenaline
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 10: and everything and will take care of it and he
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 10: does a do a job.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 6: So I you know, in the Denver game, when he explained,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 6: finally did come back from the locker room. We see
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 6: him in the locker room with his helmet on, sort
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 6: of going back and forth and testing his ankle.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 7: Do you look at stuff like that.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 13: We do.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 10: We look at anything that's available, right, yeah, and we
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 10: do see that. And when he went to the locker room,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 10: it's just twitter whatever, but I tweeted out looking at
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 10: the injury, and we did see the left ankle injury
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 10: on video. My team gets me the in game video
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 10: replays it said. I said, even though he's in the
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 10: going to the locker room right now, I believe he
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 10: has a chance to return. Usually when you see a
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 10: guy go to locker om, he started saying ninety percent
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 10: chance he's not coming back. I think he has a
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 10: chance to return. He came on the sideline. He did return,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 10: and I did see fans replying to me, he's running.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 10: Why is he back in the game. Well, what he's
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 10: doing on the sideline is one tenth of what he
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 10: has to do in a game, especially in snowy conditions,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 10: et cetera, in terms of what the game needs.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 6: I felt the same way as you in those conditions.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 6: If you don't need him to come back in, keep
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 6: him on the sideline.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 10: But it's not even need him? Is is that is
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 10: a Robert Blaine with an ankle injury, not being able
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 10: to cut well on a dime on a dry surface
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 10: going to be better than Gibbons on a slick surface, Right,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 10: It's it's it's not either or it's. Look, if if
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 10: Gibbons went now, he would have gone back in the game, right,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 10: I mean, but when you have him like, okay, what's test?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 6: That makes sense? One hundred percent? Gibbons is better than yepe.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 8: Are there any other injuries on either team that you're
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 8: kind of aware of or monitoring that could have an
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 8: impact on the game.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 10: One I don't know too much about is Harold Landry's knee.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 10: Maybe you guys know more about that. I mean, it
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 10: seems like it's a chronic the issue. It kind of
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 10: came out of the blue for the AFC commed.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 7: Change the game.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 10: He's Rabel's guy, he's a veteran. Does he have vet knees?
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 8: I don't know too much about I'll tell you what
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 8: we thought, Yeah, we thought he tore his ACL against
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 8: against New Orleans.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 10: There was a play where he got hurt play what
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 10: quarter ah, let me know and we'll go look at it.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 10: I'm not aware of that the first half. I'll get
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 10: my guys on it and I'll get back to you.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 9: I came back in the game and continue to play
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 9: throughout the season, but he was not the same player.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 10: I was not aware of that. So I would love
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 10: to look at that. That would certainly be interesting and helpful.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 10: And for the Seahawks, you know, Sam Donald, he's gonna play.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 10: Maybe he still wears a flack jacket, but you can
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 10: always reaggravate it. Let's say I'm Drake May. We talked
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 10: about deep balls, like. I think he's tough as heck.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 10: I think he's gonna run and stick his shoulder in
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 10: when he needs to. But when he needs to get down,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 10: he should get down. But if it's that extra yard
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 10: of the first down, he's gonna stick his shoulder in
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 10: there and take his chances. Sam Donald can always reaggravate
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 10: the oblique. Charles Cross isn't even practicing at left tackle,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 10: but he has no injury designation for the game. The
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 10: Seahawks have been the second healthiest team all season according
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 10: to Our Sports in the re Central Sports First has
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 10: was the Rams okay, okay, and then uh the Patriots.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 10: The Patriots were upper upper top ten, you know, five
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 10: to six. I forget in turn of health throughout this season,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 10: and we had a few issues here and there, but
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 10: but you know, that's what happens. The healthier team continues
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 10: to survive, and that's part of it, right.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, well doctor, we appreciate you coming on.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 6: As soon as we saw you a couple of days, Oh,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 6: we have to have him on, and I was like
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 6: friend or foe.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 10: I'm joking. You guys are very fun and professionally.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: I was a little bit salty at first.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 12: I'm not gonna lie because you told me that Drake
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 12: May's shoulder was hurt and I didn't like that. But
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 12: but I really do appreciate what you do for people
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 12: like me that I you know, we're reporting on the
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 12: team daily because you know, I, I'm not a doctor,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 12: so like speculating about if a guy's hurt, and all
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 12: the fans are wondering is he okay?
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 4: Is he not okay? So it's great to have.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 10: We got to get together. I gotta get that play.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 9: It is a great follow on Twitter too, and I
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 9: think you do a great job of putting him in
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 9: Laban's term so we can understand. You know, this is
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 9: what the injury probably is. This is a likely timetable,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 9: and you are very upfront. This is off of video.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 10: I'm not and I and I customize it based on
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 10: the player. Not all high ankle sprains are the same, right,
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, Spelane is a sideline to sideline guy. That
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 10: ankle of injury is different than on another linebacker. Per se,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 10: you know.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 6: All right, Well, thanks a lot, thank you appreciate it.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 6: Matt will take a break when we come back. More guests,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: more fun here on Patriots on philm