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Beckett To PSA Grading Crossover Disaster. Gambling is Fun. Turn Back The Clock · Sports Card Clubhouse

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Welcome to Turn Back the Clock. I am your host, Adam.
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I go by Splendid Sports. Dylan, what do you go by?
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Double D vintage baseball cards, all right.
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We are back here on the Sports Card clubhouse.
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Got a fun episode here planned, but I got to thank you.
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First off, you know our new hopefully time that we do these
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is pretty early. Your time.
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What's it like 8:30 in the morning?
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Your time? Hawaii 7730 AMI woke up 15
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minutes ago. Hey, you look great.
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You got your coffee ready to go. I appreciate it, man.
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Cuz we got, you know, Mike and Greg who do surface issues at
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their intro. It shows like that mappy the
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United States where it's like Greg's on the West Coast, Mike's
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all the way on the East Coast. We're even further away.
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I'm in, I'm in Massachusetts and you're in Hawaii.
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So we should, you know, we should do one of those things
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too where it's like you're way, I don't know how many miles is
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that probably like 6000 miles or 10,000.
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I don't. Know it's insane my wife made me
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for my birthday like 3. Years ago, these placards.
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You know, out of wood and she hand painted signs of all these
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places, like my favorite places and the miles from that, from
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our house to those places, and we put them on trees outside.
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It's pretty cool. I'll have to make one for
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Massachusetts, where my buddy Adam lives.
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Yeah. That'll be awesome.
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So on this one we are going to talk, we're going to do a couple
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things. I loved your video on your
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channel that you did. I think it was last week where
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it was, you know, a little bit of a Strongsville response video
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to John Mangini, which I found funny.
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I I like that a lot. I was laughing and the other
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part though, where you talked about gambling.
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I was watching that and going like, I got to talk to him about
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this because you know, I way back we used to talk a little
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bit about gambling and stuff and I told some old stories.
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But I definitely want to talk a little bit about that because I
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have, I have some thoughts and some opinions on that as well.
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And it does relate to the hobby because like you said in your
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video, there's a lot of talk about gambling in the hobby now
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and you know, it, it's, you can look at it different ways, but
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it seems to be a, a pretty negative thing when it gets
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mentioned. I understand why So and you did
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a great job. I think in that video you, you
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did with kind of highlighting some, some ideas behind it.
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So I really like that one. And then the other thing is I
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got a people, people will either love or hate this one At the
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end. I, I did AI got a Beckett
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crossover to PSA reveal and I got the old grades with Beckett
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and we're going to show you what the new grades came back as.
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I think it's pretty relevant because as we know, PSA
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collectors just bought Beckett. So it's pretty timely thing.
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I've been meaning to make a video about it but I figured I'm
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just going to save it and we'll do it on turn back the clock
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here. That sounds fun to me.
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I I love that type of stuff. Can you just give us a like a
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real quick recap of the gambling topic you brought up on your
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channel and, and for those who didn't see it, what, what the
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whole idea behind it was and what you talked about?
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OK, well the original thought with the gambling we were going
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to do another turn back the clock and well what we did one
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like 2 months ago or whatever that was and we are going to do
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a a part that was inspired by Mike Petty.
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He does like a Mike Petty minute.
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A rant. And my rant when we forgot to do
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ours on the end of our episode was going to be mine was going
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to be about gambling because that was a big thing with the
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repack and those nasty emails that Arena Club was sending to
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people. And I wanted to do a rant about
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gambling and how I just don't think it is a bad thing, this
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gambling and this hobby. It is an individual perspective
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on gambling. I grew up gambling across the
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board. When I was a kid at school,
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marbles were huge. That was.
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Full blown gambling, you would bring marbles and you would play
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marbles and you would win your friends marbles or other kids
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marbles. I have a giant marble collection
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from when I was a kid. It's it's like a giant box.
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It weighs like 50 lbs. I've never got rid of it and
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it's all marbles that I won because my dad would come.
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Home. He worked on the oil fields.
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He was a welder and he'd get giant ball bearings and any this
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is going to ring a bell for a lot of people, but I had I was
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the guy that brought ball bearings.
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To. My school and I had an unlimited
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supply. My dad would come home with nice
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shiny ones every day, different size.
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So I would use those and play kids and and you'd do like
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substitutions for like a good marble.
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And so I would just win everybody's marbles.
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And even if I lost, I got free mark, I got free ball bearings
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and they're worth 10,000 times what a normal cat's eye or wasp
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was or anything like that. So gambling to me like has
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always been a part of. My life.
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And myself growing as a person. Pogs.
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Pogs were. Huge.
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I was really good at Pogs. And those I didn't have any back
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door like my dad. I have a huge POG collection in
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the attic. That is all.
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I'm basically free. I was really good at pogs and I
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won pogs from everyone at school.
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They banned marbles and they banned pogs at school.
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So gambling's always been like a thing.
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And then I've talked about the horse races.
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I talked about all that stuff because there's a lot of
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negativity and I just don't see why.
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I don't care if people go and they buy repacks.
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I don't see anything wrong with it.
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As long as they show the odds on the back, I have no problem with
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it. All the packs, you know, that
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Tops puts out and everything. It's always been a gambler our
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whole lives. In fact, last night I went to my
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local card shop and which is a very small shop and they had
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these blasters from 2023 for $15.
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There's no one had bought them for so long, so I bought the
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three they had. That's gambling and everyone
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talks about how everybody's getting priced out in this hobby
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because of gambling, because of the Breakers.
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Well, news flash, these packs, what is there's like 7 in here.
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These were cheaper at $15 than they were when I was a kid.
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So you can still buy tops packs. You can go to Costco just like
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we did when we were a kid. You can, there's always ways to
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buy cards just as cheap as they were when we were kids.
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So anyone who just thinks we're getting all priced out because
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of gambling, because of the Breakers, it's just annoys me
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because it's not true. You're getting priced out on
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like. The really expensive.
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High end stuff that who cares? You're you shouldn't, you know,
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if you don't want to go into that world, you.
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Don't. Have to if you're a true
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collector and the only people really complaining about this
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are like true collectors, you know, quote UN quote.
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We're buying singles anyways. And if you want to buy boxes,
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you can still get them very cheap.
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You can find them. They're everywhere.
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I think blasters are $25 now at Target.
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I was at Target last night. 25 bucks is totally reasonable.
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They were $20. They were like 30 or $40 a year
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before a couple years and they lowered them again.
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I don't see any issue in that in gambling to me, like the arena
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club packs have at it. Yeah.
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Should kids be doing it? You know, that's that's a
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parent's problem. That isn't a kids problem.
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That's up to the parents of that child to, you know, let them do
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this thing or not. And I don't feel bad if some
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kids going to go spend $500 on a box and they lose all their
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money. I feel, I don't feel bad for a
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second. If that kid has $500 and he
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wants to go gamble it, that's up to his parents or up to himself
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to when he loses it. He needs to learn.
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And I like if I just, everyone's trying to protect all these
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kids. Like any kid who has a bunch of
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money, they don't really need protection because they have a
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bunch of money. I don't know how they're getting
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it. Their parents are giving it to
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him. They need to learn how to lose.
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And that's how life works. Like the biggest thing in
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gambling and in life and every choice we ever make.
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I mean, you buying stocks, you're buying a house in your
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life, you're buying all these things.
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The first most important rule about gambling is learning how
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to lose. And that's life too.
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Any choice you make, you learn through your losses.
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And if a kid, you know, spends his money and loses, he's going
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to learn pretty quickly that it's not that fun.
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And there is obviously issues with people who have gambling
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addictions and stuff, but that's a per person basis.
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I had no problem with gambling. You know, I have a friend who
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had a problem. I, I don't have it in my family,
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no one really had any problems with it.
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They gambled and they had a good time.
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My great grandpa was a gambler and he made a bunch of money
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doing. It.
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Well, that, that, that, that I just thought of one of the
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funniest quotes I've ever heard. You you ever see the comedian
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Norm MacDonald? He passed away, but him who was
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it? I think he was talking with
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Artie Lang Artie Lang's another comedian who they used to be
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buddies. And I forget how it came about,
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but basically he Norm MacDonald, like I can't do his voice, but
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you know, he's got like a distinct voice and he's like,
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he's like, you know, because he was a big gambler, big gambler
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on sports and everything. And he, he I think he was on
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some show or something, but I heard him go, you know, they,
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they, they say gambling is a disease.
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Well, it's the only disease I know of where you can win a
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bunch of money. I love, I love that quote.
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Like come. On.
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But with that being said, I, you know, I, you said in your video
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that gambling is in your blood. It's in mine too, man.
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I, I look back at, I can look back like if I go back to my
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dad's dad, my grandfather and his side.
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My dad used to tell me that he used to, he used to take when my
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dad was 12, my, my grandfather used to take him to the bar room
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down the street. And because I guess my dad was
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really good at shuffleboard, like at the bar, you know, the
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shuffleboard games at the bar. Well, they used to bet on that.
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And I guess back then it didn't matter if you were 12 at going
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to the bar, you know, So my my grandfather used to take my dad
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when he was 12 to the bar and they would be a team against
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like other guys, like grown-ups. So my dad was really good and
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they would like win money at the bar, you know, just doing that.
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So just crazy stuff like that. And my grandfather, my mom's
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dad, I remember he, you know, they would babysit us a lot and
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I would have so much fun because he loved betting on horse races.
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He would, you know, he'd have the newspaper out and he would
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have me pick, pick horses. And then we'd watch it on TV.
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Like you could get, it would be like Suffolk Downs, like some of
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these horse tracks that you could literally watch the live
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race and he'd call it in on the phone.
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He'd call up his bookie, he'd be, he had like a code name.
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He'd be like, this is Sharon 12 called And and then we would
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like, he's like, all right, we're rooting for the 12 horse,
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you know, And it was like the most fun thing ever.
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And he, I just remember him screaming like, give him the
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whip, give him the whip about the horse, the jockey whipping
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the horse. And so clearly he, you know, he
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had that in a so from both sides.
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I, I have that in my blood. And for whatever reason, it
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manifested in me not, I was never like big into like casino
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games or anything like that. I've been to Vegas a bunch of
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times and you know, I, I had friends who were like reel into
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blackjack or like craps or anything.
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And I, you know, I'd play a little bit, but the bug didn't
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hit me there. You know, it hit me with sports
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betting. And you know, this isn't like,
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hey, I went bankrupt or any of that stuff, like ruined my life
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with sports betting 'cause I did it, you know, and, and, but you
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can, I know that you certainly can.
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And it's a dangerous thing and I, I don't recommend it.
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It's not something I want my kids doing, you know, or
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anything like that. So it's not like glorifying it,
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but I would say I've had some of the the most fun times of my
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life around sports betting and I used to do it.
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I look this up, It's not I'm not admitting to any type of illegal
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activity by saying that I used to bet on sports before it was
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legal. Like now it's legal pretty much
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everywhere. So it's just crazy for me to see
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the, you know, the last 20 years, like 25 years when I
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first started betting a few bucks on some football games to
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now where I don't really do as much or if any too much now.
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I got kids now. So I'm trying to not do that
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'cause you can get distracted. But as I look back to like how
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it was to how it is now where you get commercials about sports
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betting and all this stuff and it's like it's so mainstream.
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The what I really, my most one of my most memorable times was
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February. I wrote it down February 3rd,
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2002 and that was Super Bowl 36 and the the Patriots were 14
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point underdogs and you never see that in the Super Bowl.
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Now the Super Bowls are always like 3 point spreads, but this
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was like David and Goliath 14 point underdogs Patriots.
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I put $100 on the Patriots to win the game outright.
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I think it was 5 to 1. So I ended up winning.
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They won the game and then I won 500 bucks in college.
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You know that was like me winning, that was like me
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winning $100,000 right now. So that was just crazy.
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And I look this up because I realized one of the reasons why
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I I collect Tom Brady cards. I'm not, I'm not like a super
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fan or anything like that. Like, you know, he seems like a
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cool guy or whatever, but I honestly like he's too too
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around now I see him all the time on TV and who is dating and
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I'm like, oh man, I don't want to know any of this stuff.
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But I realized one of the reasons why I love collecting
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his cards is because I have such good memories about him winning
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me money when I bet on I look this up.
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OK, I was like, I don't know the numbers, but it just felt like
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he like when he was, you know, he was favored in a lot of games
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because they were so good, right?
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But even with betting, you know, with the line, there's this
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thing called the your record against the spread.
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So like, let's say his team's favored by 7 points.
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It's not enough to just win the game by three.
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You got to win by more than 7 to actually win.
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You know, if someone bets on you, you know, understand how
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that works. But I looked it up and I was
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like, I wonder what it was. So this is it.
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He was one of not only the greatest quarterback ever, but
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he was one of the the, the greatest betting on quarterbacks
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ever. He actually covered the spread
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in regular season games at a 58% clip, which if you know sports
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gambling, they always say like if you can win like close to 60%
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of your bets or even like 58%, you can make a ton of money
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betting on sports because most people like they're less than
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50%. So like you don't need to win a,
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a huge percentage of your bets to actually make money.
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And it's, I mean, if you look at these numbers, it makes sense
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now because like, it felt like I would bet on him, like just to
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win the game sometimes or I would say, all right, I'm going
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to do a teaser where you bring the the line down as long as
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they just win the game. And it always felt like he came
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through and, and now you don't see that as much, You know, even
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the best quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes or some of these
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guys, they don't cover the spread, you know, and they
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don't. So I was looking at that like
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him and Peyton Manning, you know that it was a 20 year run where
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you could do very well if you just bet on those two guys like
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and you did it creatively with teasers and betting on the money
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line and and being smart with it.
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And I think that's why I have such a fond, fond way about Tom
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Brady because, yeah, he was the quarterback of my favorite team.
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But more than that, he just came through so many times for my
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bets, man. And that I for me, that that
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matters a little more, you know? I love that.
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I mean, you got to have some sort of connection and there's
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nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
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I think it's awesome. Yeah, so I, I and I was there
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was, I think it was ESPN.com had a whole thing on.
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I, I printed it out because I was like, this makes total sense
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now. I didn't really know the
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numbers. I knew what it felt like and it,
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it, it does make sense. So yeah, I, I understand
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people's negativity towards gambling because it has ruined a
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lot of lives. It's like, it's like alcohol,
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you know, you know, if, if you can use it, you know, you have a
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glass of wine here and there and it, it makes things a little
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more fun for you and but you don't abuse it.
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Same idea with gambling on sports or whatever, or, or in
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cards. But yeah, if, if, if it takes
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hold of you and it becomes an addiction and it takes over,
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then yes, it could be, it could be bad.
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But yeah, it's personal responsibility.
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And I think in the hobby, I understand why some people get
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upset that there's so much of that gambling because, you know,
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there's so much money at stake now that the stakes are a lot
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higher. We we used to, yeah, we'd open a
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pack hoping we would pull that Chase card.
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Back then that was a little bit of a gamble.
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But now when like, you know, you're getting into a break or
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you're on this Arena club thing where you put it whatever money
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down and you could pull a $50,000 card or something like
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that, it is, I could see how that can kind of get away from
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people, you know that. I think the stakes are just a
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lot higher now than than in the past with this.
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I mean, I, yeah, I the stakes. Could be a lot higher.
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I just I don't know. I just, I guess the whole reason
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I brought it up and I wanted to talk about it in the past and
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why I brought it in my video is just.
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There's so much negativity towards all of gambling, like
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it's all the worst thing in the world.
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I personally think it's disgusting that when I watch a
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sporting event, there's all of this betting, all baseball
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specifically, because I know it was illegal for so many years
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and you got Pete Rose out, you got all these guys out.
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You know on the. Outside because of this and now
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they're advertising everywhere. But that's my reasoning.
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It isn't because I think gambling's terrible, it's just
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because it was so it, people got in so much trouble for it before
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and now it's everywhere. That's kind of why it's that
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bothers me. But the whole gambling itself,
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it's like, I mean, gambling's not going anywhere.
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It's going to be with us forever.
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It's not. I don't think it's getting any
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bigger. People are just going.
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People who are addicted to gambling are going from here to
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there to here to there. They're just finding a different
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way to gamble. When for years we would go to
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the Orange County Fair, me and my buddy Danny, and we'd spend
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$2000 on lottery tickets. And when you spend $2000 on
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lottery tickets, every $20 you spend, you got to spin the
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wheel. Anyone who's been to Orange
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County Fair and done this, it'll ring a bell in their head and
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you get a minimum of five free $1.00 tickets and up to 20 if
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you hit the gold thing. So we'd spend $2000 and then we
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would make a deal with the guy that was working or the OR the
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girl that was working and be like look, instead of us
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spinning the wheel like 100 times, whatever that was every
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$20, just give us 9 tickets for each $20.00.
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So we get all these free tickets and we did the math.
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So you literally you get. So the lottery has a rule just
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like everything, just like in most things, maybe not cards,
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but you have to give 50% of the money back.
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I think that's the lottery rules.
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So every dollar they receive, they have to give $50.50 back on
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that dollar back on to the ticket.
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And then you got to think about all the stuff they're paying for
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and everything. So they're probably only making
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like 20% for every dollar that you spend on lottery.
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Well, when you get all these free ones, we did the math.
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We only lost one time out about 5 or 6 years that we went and we
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won most of the time. You got all these free tickets
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and we would just scratch for hours on it.
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We have drinks and we I mean we had booklets and booklets.
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We had a chance to be a mega, mega millionaire like massive
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money and we had an absolute blast and it was worth every
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single penny of the fun we had. You know, there's I just.
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Dude gambling, gambling's so fun and everybody's so anti in this
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hobby. That's going to be the title,
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the title Gambling is so fun. Turn back the.
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Clock fun. So fun.
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I mean, you obviously were pretty lucky with that.
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I have to show a card. I recently picked up this was
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this was funny. I, we were watching, my wife and
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I were watching a Netflix show. I can't even remember the name
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of the show, but it's one of the newer ones.
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It's, it's I guess, pretty popular, but it's kind of a kind
20:44
of a wacky show, kind of crazy. But there was this couple and
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they're, they're both like killers.
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They're like mercenaries or whatever, right?
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And they're getting ready to go whack some guy and the girl in
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the car starts talking. She goes, you know, there's
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this, there's this American baseball player.
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The, the show was like based in England or something like that.
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But then she's like, you know, there was this American baseball
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player a long time ago. His name was do you know this
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guy Jack Lorkey or Lorke people are all the all the vintage guys
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are going to kill me, you know for not.
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I'm sure this story's been told a lot of times, but anyway, this
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is a 1951 Bowman. His name, his nickname was lucky
21:23
Jack lucky Lorkey or Lorke awesome card.
21:27
I I got this for like it was like 5 bucks something like that
21:30
beautifully centered and I didn't even know this guy's
21:34
story but she's telling this guy the story in the show.
21:37
I forget the reason why but it was related to what they're
21:40
about to do. But she was like this guy had a
21:43
nickname Lucky because he escaped death like 6 times.
21:46
He was in World War 2 and the guy next to him got shot a bunch
21:51
of times and then he was in another war or something and his
21:55
something like it was a bunch of you can look him up but
21:57
basically there was a plane crash that he was supposed to be
22:00
on the plane. It didn't crash.
22:01
Then he was on a baseball team and the bus crashed and he was
22:05
supposed to be on the bus. Anyway, he survived like escaped
22:08
death a bunch of times and they called him lucky for that
22:10
reason. So I was like.
22:12
So I was like, I want, I want a car to this guy and I'm gonna
22:14
keep it like in my wallet or something 'cause maybe it will
22:17
bring me good luck, you know? And it's an awesome, awesome
22:19
looking card too. Well, let's so let's touch on
22:23
that for a minute. So me saying all this is
22:26
because, like I said, I've always loved gambling.
22:29
I played poker, we had poker. Nights.
22:33
We called it guys nights in high school before poker was big or
22:36
anything. Once a week we'd all get
22:37
together and we play at my buddy's dad's cabinet.
22:40
Shop and we. Play, you know, till like one in
22:43
the morning. We didn't drink or anything.
22:45
I didn't drink in high school. So we just literally played
22:47
cards like follow the Queen, bloody sevens, all kinds of
22:52
different games, like not just five card stud or five card.
22:56
What do you call it? We didn't even play like, what
22:59
is it? Five card Monte.
23:01
No, what's the normal game hold em like?
23:04
Oh. Hold em.
23:06
Yeah, if we did, we dude Wilds. You know that's how this is
23:09
before. Everybody's like you have to
23:10
play hold em now and and. So I I grew up doing all that,
23:14
but I I. I'm a winner.
23:17
On SO, I'm like that guy. I'm lucky on the front of in my
23:23
all my gambling, I'm up money and you can ask any of my
23:26
friends. It's not like I'm up big money
23:27
or or anything like that, like not at all.
23:30
But I just didn't lose a bunch of money and all those poker
23:34
nights. So that's coming from somebody
23:37
like that. And but I've also didn't lose
23:39
money, probably because I just didn't bet giant money.
23:43
So it was like, how much can you possibly win?
23:45
How much can you possibly lose? You're not a degenerate.
23:48
You, you, you were able to do it without abusing it.
23:51
And honestly, I, I, I would say you're probably in the minority.
23:54
I think a lot of people that gamble are, are degenerates and
23:57
they and they, it goes too far. So I don't know, maybe I'm just
24:01
trying to, you know, I don't want to say like go out and
24:03
gamble, not that anyone listening wasn't going to do
24:05
anything we say anyway. But you know, if my kids watch
24:08
this in the future, I think gambling is something, you know,
24:11
to do it leisurely and be careful.
24:15
But there have been some fun times associated with it and you
24:18
can get lucky. You can win like as Norm
24:20
MacDonald said. You can win a bunch of money.
24:23
Well, I mean, yeah, this is a baseball, you know, this is a
24:25
card podcast. We're talking about gambling,
24:27
but it all stems back to the baseball cards themselves.
24:31
And these repacks is how it all. For me that was the whole reason
24:34
for my rant is these repackers everybody just seems to just
24:38
despise and I don't despise it at all, especially when they put
24:42
their odds on the packs and people are having a blast
24:44
opening them. Have at it anybody else who
24:48
doesn't. Want to I I do feel bad.
24:51
I, I don't like you said, I don't want people to think that
24:54
I think everybody should go out and gamble and it's good for
24:56
everybody. There's definitely stories.
24:57
We have a friend who's has a podcast and he's talked about
25:00
how his family's had issues with gambling and I don't want to
25:04
take that from from that person and.
25:07
But this is this is life experience here.
25:10
And my life experience is totally different than everybody
25:12
else's. And my perspective is different
25:14
than everybody else's. And my perspective is, you know,
25:17
to each your own. I don't want to be the
25:19
policeman. And that was like my video
25:21
premise too. Like, dude, we are policing
25:25
everything in this hobby. Like dude, just police yourself
25:28
man. Like if if you see some shady
25:31
stuff going on and you can can, you know, you can stop it, fine.
25:35
But I just and teach their own. Well, I before we move on to my
25:40
PSA Beckett crossover reveal, do you I have a couple quick
25:45
stories, but I want to ask you, do you consider a breaking
25:48
gambling? Would you or would?
25:50
I mean, of course it is. Absolutely, yeah.
25:55
Because I have a couple quick experiences with breaking, you
25:59
know, that it it kind of highlights the problem I have
26:04
with it's not that it's gambling, it's that I don't
26:08
think they do a good job of making it that entertaining.
26:10
You know, most of at least like for here's a quick couple quick
26:13
examples. I think I made a video on this a
26:15
long time ago. Probably not many people saw it,
26:18
but randomly I got in, there was a, you know, the company Vintage
26:22
breaks. Yeah, you know, I think.
26:26
But anyway, it's vintage breaks. But they had, I think it was
26:30
them, yeah. They had a break of 1952 tops.
26:33
And it was, they had the whole set, including the Mickey
26:35
Mantle, and it was, you know, you could buy slots, right?
26:39
So I was like, what the heck, You know, it was, I forget the
26:41
price, but it wasn't cheap. You know, it was, it was
26:44
something where I went in knowing I'll probably lose my
26:46
money, right? I'm not, I'm not expecting, but
26:48
hey, what the heck, you know, it'll be fun.
26:50
I don't do this. So I figured I did.
26:52
I bought like 3 spots and essentially, yeah, there's
26:56
however many cards in the set and that's how many spots there
26:59
are. And they had a graded copy of
27:02
every card in the whole set. And so I bought 3 spots and I
27:07
was kind of excited for it, right?
27:08
Like I was expecting to not get a Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays
27:11
or Jackie Robinson or anything like that, but I also was
27:14
expecting like I'm going to tune into this thing.
27:16
I was like, all right, I set a side time for it.
27:19
I was ready. I was like, this is going to be,
27:21
you know, at least fun for half hour.
27:23
I don't know what it's going to be.
27:24
So I jump on there. I could not tell you how
27:27
disappointed I was. I had, I came out, I got 3
27:30
comments, right. I don't even remember who the
27:33
cards were. Three comments, which is what I
27:35
expected those. That's the odds anyway.
27:37
But it was not an experience. It wasn't like there was no
27:42
drama to it. The guy literally was like, oh
27:44
number. It was so quick and there was no
27:48
build up. There was no nothing.
27:50
So I just came away from the experience being like that
27:54
wasn't fun. Not because I didn't get Mickey
27:56
Mantle or Willie Mays was just it was wasn't well done.
28:00
It was like mailed in. So terrible experience.
28:03
And then a couple years back, my nephew, he's 15 now, big
28:08
baseball player. You know, when we lived in
28:11
Arizona, we would he would sleep over our house a lot.
28:14
And we just had some great times, you know, as he was
28:16
growing up. Yeah, a lot of fun.
28:18
And this was a few years back, he was he had a sleepover at our
28:22
house. I think it was like maybe the
28:23
last one he ever did. So, so it was like, you know,
28:25
we're having a lot of fun. And randomly I see I get an
28:28
e-mail from PSA. My PSA membership came with like
28:32
a Fanatics Live breaking credit. So it was like 125 bucks.
28:38
I was like, oh man, all right. And then so I'm just thinking
28:40
like I'm probably never going to use this unless I just do it
28:42
right now. So my nephew's over.
28:45
I'm like, let's get get on this thing.
28:46
So I download Fanatics Live. I'm like, let's use this credit
28:49
and just see what this thing's about.
28:51
So like I find I'm looking for one like I want to get in one
28:54
that's like around that price or a little more.
28:57
So it's got kind of a high end thing, you know, 100 bucks a
28:59
spot or 150 bucks a spot. So I find one and it's like,
29:02
first of all, the experience was terrible.
29:04
Like I can't even find like it was just a horrible user
29:06
experience. I'm like, people do that like
29:08
this is terrible. Like I finally find one.
29:12
And again, I didn't know much about this.
29:14
So I get in and I'm thinking they're going through like what
29:17
you can win. It was like 150 bucks a spot.
29:19
So I'm like, all right, we're getting excited.
29:20
Like we're buying a spot. Let's get in this baby, you
29:22
know, and they're going through what the, what the, what you can
29:25
get, right? And I was assuming that everyone
29:28
got something and they're going through the, the, the things
29:32
that you could get and they're all great, great collectibles,
29:35
awesome cards, you know, somewhere like right around that
29:38
price range of the entry point, somewhere lower, but then
29:40
there's some big ones. So I'm like, all right, this
29:42
will be fun. So like we're all excited.
29:44
I'm like, Are you ready? We're getting all fired up and
29:46
everything and our numbers, you know, they're pulling them like,
29:50
all right. I'm like, we're gonna get
29:52
something here. You know, it might not be the
29:54
big thing, but we're gonna get something.
29:55
It's gonna be fun. Next thing you know, the things,
29:57
the thing ends and we're like, I'm like looking at them.
29:59
I'm like, wait a minute, doesn't everyone get something in this
30:03
break? I, I figured I'd get and then,
30:06
oh, no. And like, my wife's like
30:08
laughing at it. She's like, what are you guys
30:09
doing? You know, and, and my, my
30:10
nephew's laughing too, because I was like getting upset.
30:13
I'm like, what the heck? And then they do this thing
30:16
where they're like, all right, if you got skunked, now you get
30:18
one more shot. We're going to draw it.
30:20
I'm like, we got skunked. You can get skunked in this
30:22
thing. And then we didn't even hit.
30:24
And then they pulled the skunk thing and we don't even hit the
30:26
skunk thing. So we got knocked out and then
30:29
on the ground they kicked us again.
30:30
So like that's. Insane.
30:32
And then I'm like. Isn't it against the law to to
30:36
because they're not regulated by gambling or anything?
30:39
Like they have to give us something for entering this
30:41
break. And so I'm like, that doesn't
30:43
seem right. And then like a week later in
30:46
the mail, I get a pack of tops Chrome with Wanda Franco on on
30:51
the on the on the top. And so I'm like, that's how they
30:55
cover their base. Like they gave me a whatever
30:57
pack. You got you got Wanda Franco.
31:00
I got Wanda Franco and then again I'm just thinking like
31:03
that was horrible. I'm like this was a horrible
31:06
experience. Not cuz you know, I just like it
31:08
wasn't clear. Maybe I'm an idiot, but like I
31:10
thought we would get something and then like I was trying to
31:13
have some fun and my nephew actually did have fun because he
31:15
got a kick out of it. It's a funny story, like how
31:18
like upset I was like what's going on here?
31:20
So he has a good memory out of it, but I think in a way it was
31:22
probably a good learning lesson for him to see that.
31:25
Like be careful of a lot of these scams out there.
31:28
Again, maybe it wasn't a scam. I'm sure in the fine print or I
31:31
didn't read it right. But again, my point with the
31:34
breaking stuff is like, if you're going to it is gambling.
31:38
If you're going to do it like these guys should make it more
31:41
entertaining, make it better at least, like, right, Because
31:43
otherwise it's like it's got to be somewhat entertaining if
31:46
you're going to lose your money. Yeah, I don't.
31:48
I don't. I don't understand it either.
31:50
So when I was in Washington visiting my sister for
31:54
Christmas, went to a local card shop and they have a Breakers
31:58
night, so Friday nights, and they bring pizza and there's
32:02
like a line out the door, my brother-in-law says.
32:04
And everybody goes in. There and they they hook you up
32:07
with a team, you pay your money and you're getting free pizza
32:11
and you have like all the tables around and it was pretty big
32:13
area. I was like kind of blown away.
32:16
I was like, no, that's something I could totally see myself
32:19
doing. If there was a card shop here
32:21
that did a Friday night breaking and you could spend 50 bucks and
32:25
get in a hobby box break and you get whatever team you spin the
32:30
wheel on and you get all those cards and you're getting pizza
32:32
and hanging out with your friends hanging all these.
32:34
These card people. I would that's that's what I can
32:38
get, I can wrap my head around. I've never quite understood the
32:42
fact of Breakers to. Begin with like I'd.
32:44
I like opening my own boxes and and sitting here and having on
32:48
my my desk and organizing them as I open them and putting the
32:51
rookies together and just have that.
32:54
I like that personal time. I don't even want to video.
32:57
Myself opening them. I just like to have that.
32:59
That's like the peaceful time, you know, when I was opening all
33:02
these boxes in 2000 with my buddy Danny, we would go to
33:05
Frank and Sons. We'd open one box on the way
33:07
home in the car. The driver would the, the
33:09
passenger would open it. The driver will drive and then
33:12
when we get home we crack open some Coronas and we go on the.
33:16
We had a pool table in the garage and we lay the boxes out
33:20
and we would just. Open cards with Coronas and
33:23
just. Have the funniest thing ever
33:25
that's breaking to me, you know? But it's a new world and it's a
33:30
new world. It, it, it's a, it's a crazy,
33:32
it's, it's crazy. But I could see how people have
33:35
fun with it. And I think there's, I think
33:37
there's a majority of people are fine.
33:40
They don't blow all their money. They just enjoy it.
33:43
I just think there's definitely a small portion that's
33:46
degenerates. And going to have problems with
33:48
it but. That's on them.
33:50
They'll figure it out. Speaking of more of more
33:54
gambling, this was a gamble in itself.
33:56
Not, not so much, but the last piece here, I mentioned it
33:59
earlier. So again, I've talked about how
34:02
I recently completed the Tom Brady rookie card base set, run
34:07
44 cards and I had 6 Tom Brady rookies in Beckett holders that
34:14
I had gotten in the past over time.
34:17
And so I said, you know, I'm going to build the set.
34:20
It's on the PSA registry. I don't collect, you know
34:23
everything like this or really this was the only thing I was
34:25
kind of saying all right, I want them all on PSA and I'm not
34:29
doing any new stuff like that. But I say I figured you know
34:31
what, I don't want 38 in PSA and and then 6IN Beckett, right?
34:36
I'm going to do them all on PSA. So I have 6 old Beckett cards
34:43
that were in Beckett holders that I sent in.
34:45
Now here's what I did. I sent them in in the Beckett
34:48
holders and obviously. We.
34:51
Know, right, we know and everyone in this hobby that you
34:54
know, knows the grading game knows that if you want to give
34:57
yourself the best shot of getting the same grade or or
35:01
even a close thing or even maybe a higher grade, sometimes you
35:05
got to crack them out. But I said I'm not this 44 card
35:08
run. I didn't do it based on grade,
35:11
right? Like I just wanted good looking
35:12
copies and some of them are lower grade.
35:14
So this is not something where I'm like I'm going to sell
35:17
anytime soon anyway. So I was like, I know I'll
35:21
probably get lower grades on some of these, but that's OK
35:25
because I just want them all in the PSA labels and the and the
35:28
holders to make it uniform. And yeah, you weren't.
35:31
You weren't playing the game. No, I wasn't playing the game.
35:33
Yeah. Look, if I was trying to make
35:34
money on this thing, it was a bad idea to send them in the
35:37
slabs. We know.
35:37
Yeah. Now that's different.
35:39
Maybe on the next episode or something.
35:40
I want to talk more about that. Like I would love to ask PSA in
35:46
a perfect like is, is it supposed to be?
35:48
Are you supposed to get the same grade on the card if you send it
35:51
in in an STC or Beckett holder to PSA as if you cracked it out
35:55
and send it in? I know they would probably say
35:57
yes, like yes, you should get the same grade regardless, but
36:00
everyone in this hobby knows that that's not the case.
36:03
You have a better shot of getting a better grade if you
36:05
crack it out. And why is that?
36:07
I mean that again, we could, there's a lot to to go through
36:10
with that, but let's run through these real quick.
36:14
Yeah, I want to see them. I'm excited.
36:15
For it, because I think this will in the comments guys, I'm
36:19
going to we'll give a little feedback, but I want in the
36:21
comments your take away based on what you're about to see.
36:24
So the first card I have the old Beckett label again, probably
36:28
can't see it too good, but it was a this was a mint condition.
36:31
Tom Brady, Rookie 2000 Upper deck graded number one O 4
36:35
centering 9.5 edges 8.5 corners, 9.5 surface 9.
36:41
So 8.5 is the lowest 1 and it came back APSA 8, PSA 8.
36:50
Again, not the not the greatest view of it, but PSA 8.
36:54
So all right, it went down one grade.
36:57
That's OK. Yeah, I'm OK with it.
36:59
I understand that. It's like you want to be like
37:02
that would have. Come back at 9:00 if you would
37:03
have cracked it out beforehand, you know, like probably.
37:07
Right. And again, why?
37:08
Why? Why?
37:09
I don't know. All right, so the next one, one
37:13
of my favorite Brady rookies, 2000 Revolution.
37:17
And this, oh, the last one, by the way, was if anyone cares,
37:20
not numbered. Yeah, not a numbered car.
37:23
Oh yes. No, not a numbered car.
37:25
Yes, it is 1325. They kind of hide it.
37:27
So numbered to 1325. This one, one of his toughest
37:31
rookies, numbered to 300. Pacific revolution #128 sub
37:36
grades just there. So anyone knows, it was a 9.5
37:43
centering, 8.5 corners, 9 edges, 9 surface, so really good sub
37:48
grades there. Mint condition card came back
37:51
again, not too bad. APSA 8, PSA 8 there.
37:55
OK, so all right down one grade all right now 2001 of his
38:04
highest. I think it's a number four
38:05
highest rated rookies as far as like on the registry, it's
38:09
numbered to three 52,000 leaf limited Tom Brady and this was a
38:15
8.5 from Beckett and it had 9.5 centering 8.5 edges, 8.5
38:22
corners, 8.5 surface. So 8.5 is the lowest sub grade
38:26
from. Beckett I hope it gets a nine.
38:28
I hope they bump this one. I'm sorry my friend, it came
38:31
back PSA 5. No.
38:35
PSA 5. So good.
38:37
PSA 5. PSA. 5 So let's just take a
38:44
moment to realize and recognize what happened there.
38:48
I didn't crack it out, so I didn't damage the card or
38:50
anything. I sent it in the PSA.
38:51
It was a almost a mint condition card from Beckett. 8.5 in PSA. 3
38:58
1/2 grades lower excellent condition 5 now that's a big
39:03
jump. That's a big, I mean, that's.
39:05
That's massive. What there's so much I mean, I
39:07
want to hear what do people, how do people reason with that?
39:10
What what do we think about that?
39:13
I think on one hand, what I want to say, let me save it.
39:17
Actually let me go through the last three real quick.
39:19
OK, All right. Next one I.
39:21
Want to give a quick. Opinion.
39:22
Yeah, and I want your opinion on this too, because the last
39:24
three, 2000 playoff momentum, again, another one of his best
39:28
rookie cards #180 number 2750. And it got, it was a 88 grade
39:38
and the sub grades 9.5 centering.
39:41
As you can see, I go for centered cards, right?
39:43
They're all 9.5 centering, 7.5 edges, 8.5 corners, 8.5 surface.
39:49
And it got APSA 6. So we went from 8.5 to 7 two and
39:56
a half, 2 1/2 grades down right and then this 12000 upper deck
40:03
pros and pros 7 numbered to 1000 a mint condition card with
40:10
subgrades of 9.598.59 edges, so lowest and it got apsa 7.
40:19
So almost mint condition goes down to A7.
40:22
Oh no mint condition goes down to A7 which is a near mint but
40:26
they but Beckett had it as a mint.
40:28
So the two companies, one's meant, one's not meant.
40:31
I mean you know, is it meant or is it not meant?
40:35
Same card again, I didn't crack them out, they did.
40:37
So the last 1-2 thou people know this card. 2000EX Tom Brady #215
40:46
hundred, one of his most well known rookie cards. 8.5 really
40:50
good grade for this card and 9.5 centering. 9 edges. 8.5 corners,
40:58
7.5 surface comes back APSA 5. The surface one probably got you
41:05
on that one. Surface, yeah, but Surface 7.5
41:09
with Beckett 5 for PSA. So, you know, another 3 1/2
41:15
grade drop going from one company to another.
41:17
Let me let me give you my just super quick opinion on it.
41:21
I've been saying this since I came out of the YouTube.
41:22
Womb. Very first time I got on YouTube
41:25
it's like. The reason PSA's prices are
41:29
higher than everybody else's isn't because of the set
41:33
registry, isn't because of anything else other than the
41:36
fact that they grade their cards harder than everybody else.
41:41
It's been like that since I started collecting graded cards
41:46
back in the late 90s, early 2000's.
41:50
The deal was SGC always was just a little behind because the SGC
41:55
cards were graded a little easier than PSA.
41:59
And then Beckett came along and the same thing happened,
42:01
although I granted Beckett's grades.
42:06
Boosted, you know, we're worth a lot more at a certain time in
42:09
this in this card collecting community at one point, but I
42:14
for vintage specifically, I guess is my experience.
42:17
So these modern stuff's a little different for me, but.
42:20
For vintage for sure, they just have graded harder across the
42:25
board and that's how I see it still and I think it shows in
42:29
the modern stuff as well. And I and I and they definitely
42:32
haven't gotten any. Easier on their grading over the
42:34
last, you know, 10 years, 20 years, it's just gotten tougher
42:38
and tougher. So that's my quick explanation
42:41
and you know, agree with me or not.
42:43
That's how it's that's how I've always seen it before YouTube
42:47
before any of my experience hanging out with other people
42:50
and discuss with other people. I have always personally seen
42:55
the fact that when I had APSA graded card in vintage at least
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was always looking not always, but 90% of the time was better
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than its same graded copy in another company.
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So and. In my experience, I agree on
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vintage, but even I think PSA tends to even be the toughest or
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there's a big biggest differential in these type of
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like 90s early 2000s cards, you know, from the Sky Ball.
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I mean, I've seen precious metal gems, cards like Michael Jordan
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PMG Reds from 1997 go from a 8.5 same thing down to A5, you know,
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3 three, half, 3 1/2, four grade drop.
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So yeah, I think it's I think I want to know people's takeaways
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and comments about this. Please put them in the comments.
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But yeah, I think this was not a knock on PSAII didn't come out
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saying like they they screwed me.
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You know, these I just think, yeah, they they grade
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differently and they like these cards all look great, but I'm
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sure they found, you know, they looked under the microscope and
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they found the scratch for this. And there's a reason for the
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grade, I'm sure. But they all look, you know,
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like the ones that had the mint condition from Beckett.
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They do look mint condition, but maybe the scratches or whatever,
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you know, surface issues, stuff like that.
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And I think PSA, probably when they are, when they are given an
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opportunity to have a Beckett slab that says mint or 8, they
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take that opportunity to really put their boot on someone's neck
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and go, no, no, no. We grade so much tougher than
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Beckett. And here's how we're going to
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show it. We're going to drop it three
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grades because we're able to find things and we find things
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that the other companies don't. We look deeper.
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So yeah, I think that's, that's one take away.
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I, I, I would love to hear people's thoughts on that.
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But I wanted to share that because lastly, I see a lot of
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people that, you know, they'll show their Beckett 9.5 or
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they're Beckett 9 or 8 or whatever that that's the Beckett
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grade. OK.
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Like that's not, that's not the PSA grade in most cases.
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I, I would say, you know, so take that with a grain of salt.
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If you're buying a Beckett card slab based on that grade, just
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know that if it may not, and probably not in many cases be
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that same grade and it will probably be lower with PSA.
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So if you're if you're trying to play that game, then be very
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careful. And this was a perfect example.
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And I felt like I could use it as an example because I was
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like, hey, if it comes back of five, which it did on a couple
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of these, I still want it and I've kept it and I'm gonna keep
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them. And I wasn't playing the game
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like you said with based on grade, so it was a fun little
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experiment I guess. Maybe not so fun, but it is.
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You, you hosed yourself. You should have cracked those
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out. But you even regardless, I think
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it's all the surface. I think they're just ultra any
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little automatic 6. You know, even when I'm grading
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all my modern stuff now, like for my own double D slabs.
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You know any tiny little surface scratch, I automatically take it
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to a six. Like the smallest thing you
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can't even see. I've cracked out plenty of
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Beckett. Holders and there's little.
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Surface scratches on eights and nines.
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I'm cracking out and then I'm like, oh, I got to put this in
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my double D slab as a 76, you know, like if it's.
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If it's a card like a Brady rookie card, they're going to
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look for that scratch. They're going to look extra hard
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for that scratch, right? So that they can use that
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opportunity to go, no, no, we're the toughest graders in this
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industry. And the opposite of poo pooing
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PSAI think it boosts their their prowess.
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Like that's the whole point you buy APSA graded card you you
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mean, I hate to say it, but I've been this is how I believe
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you're you're getting the finest example you can get in that
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particular grade. You know, blindly and.
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The crazy thing is down the road if I sell these cards, the PSA
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5, it will probably sell pretty close to what the card would
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have sold for I think in a Beckett 8.5.
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So even from a money perspective, I just think it
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probably doesn't even matter that much, you know, really
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because that's how far ahead PSA is.
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Yeah. And again, who knows, but I I
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wanted to share that and I'm sure you know, we'll get some
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comments so that. Was awesome, I love.
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It yeah, that was fun. Good to be back with you.
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I guess we'll wrap it here. Another great, fun episode.
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Dylan, I appreciate you getting up early to do these.
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I hope we can do another one pretty soon here.
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Absolutely, now get out there and start gambling, boys, girls.
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Gambling's fun.