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Credlin | 10 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. His was coming up
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Speaker 2: in a busy night on Predlin. Finally the government agrees
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Speaker 2: to assist the UAE with military assets, but Anthony Alberinezi
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Speaker 2: it pains to argue when not taking on any offensive
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Speaker 2: role in the war against Iran's Islamist regime. Yet again,
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Speaker 2: the government's so scared of upsetting voters in Western Sydney
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Speaker 2: that they end up almost paralyzed by indecision when tackling
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Speaker 2: mad Muller's with the bomb.
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Speaker 3: That should be a no.
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Speaker 2: Brainer on that After public outcried, Tony Berg's done the
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Speaker 2: right thing and granted asylum to five of those brave
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Speaker 2: Iranian female footballers. So what about the teammates who look
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Speaker 2: set to return to Iran. I'll speak to a member
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Speaker 2: of the Iranian diaspora about grave fears they have with
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Speaker 2: reports of strong arm tactics from handlers connected to the
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Speaker 2: team class. I'll be joined by an energy and gas
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Speaker 2: mark an expert to cut through the government's spin when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the fuel supply in Australia and also
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Speaker 2: towns country towns that say they are going dry and
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Speaker 2: that shock news this afternoon out of Canberra as David
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Speaker 2: Little Prowd announced he was stepping down as the National
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Speaker 2: Party leader.
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Speaker 4: I've got to a juncture where I believe it's time.
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Speaker 4: I believe that it is now time to transition to
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Speaker 4: a new leader.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that shock resignation of National Party
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Speaker 2: leader David Little Proud in a moment.
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Speaker 3: I spoke to it.
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Speaker 2: A lot of his colleagues this afternoon in Canberra. Not
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Speaker 2: one of them saw that coming first. It's good that
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Speaker 2: the Albanizer governments finally offered asylum to the Iranian football
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Speaker 2: as brand and traitors by the regime. And it's good
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Speaker 2: that we're finally deploying some military assets to the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: But why does the Albanezer government always have to be
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Speaker 2: cajoled and bullied into doing the right thing?
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Speaker 3: It highlights just how weak.
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Speaker 2: This prime minister is, and it makes a straight yeah
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Speaker 2: look weak as well. Here's the Iranian footballers pointedly refusing
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Speaker 2: to sing the national anthem as a protest against the
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Speaker 2: Islamist dictatorship. You want to talk about brave, That is brave.
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Speaker 2: And here's the Iranian state TV calling them traders.
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Speaker 5: I let you to show out to Janibar what sad,
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Speaker 5: especially in mymon on Axant, but in Hawaii shad.
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Speaker 2: When they've already killed women for not wearing a headscarf.
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Speaker 2: When they say there they need to be treated severely,
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Speaker 2: you can only wonder what that means.
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Speaker 3: Then.
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Speaker 2: Here's the social media post from Donald Trump issued earlier
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Speaker 2: this morning, demanding that Australia do the right thing by
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Speaker 2: these women at risk of death if they returned home. Now,
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Speaker 2: the US President actually called Anthony Albertezi in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the night demanding that something be done.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: By that stage, it seems five of the Iranians had
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Speaker 2: escaped their handlers at a Gold Coast hotel and were
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Speaker 2: in the custody of the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 3: Here is Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
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Speaker 6: Australia has taken the Iranian women's soccer team into our hearts.
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Speaker 6: These women are tremendously popular in Australia, but we realize
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Speaker 6: they are in a terribly difficult situation with the decisions
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Speaker 6: that they're making.
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Speaker 3: Well, they escaped their handlers.
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Speaker 2: For all of Burke's Abulians, it wasn't that long ago
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Speaker 2: that we had his fellow front Bench colleague Matt Fistelwaite,
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Speaker 2: insisting that nothing extra could be done or would be
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Speaker 2: done to help these women.
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Speaker 7: So they must meet all of the conditions for the visa,
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Speaker 7: and that includes a security check and a health check,
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Speaker 7: so there'll be no special circumstances granted to anyone that's
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Speaker 7: competing in the Asian Women's Cup.
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Speaker 2: Likewise, it took an official request before Australia sent a
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Speaker 2: plane to assist with defending the Gulf States against incoming
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Speaker 2: Iranian drones and missiles. Gulf States, I might add that
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Speaker 2: have hosted an Australian military president the Al minh Had
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Speaker 2: Base the UAE for decades, a place that we used
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Speaker 2: as a staging post to move troops in and out
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Speaker 2: of Afghanistan and in the war against Islamic State. What
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Speaker 2: we are sending now is only a command and control aircraft.
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Speaker 2: It is one single wedge tail only only with its
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Speaker 2: operating personnel, not something that can actually shoot down missiles itself.
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Speaker 2: That job will be left to others, something that the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was Again it pains to stress today, God
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Speaker 2: forbid we deploy military assays to do anything remotely war like,
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Speaker 2: even though the evil Iranian tyranny that sponsored terrorism here
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Speaker 2: in Australia and that's now indiscriminately attacking its own people
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Speaker 2: and its neighbors, absolutely deserves to be removed.
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Speaker 6: My government has been clear that we're not taking offensive
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Speaker 6: action against Iran, and we're being clear that we are
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Speaker 6: not deploying Australian troops on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Now, what's the point of having armedforces if they're not
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Speaker 2: allowed to use lethal force. Our ADF might do humanitarian
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Speaker 2: work on occasion where it's needed, but that's not its
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Speaker 2: primary purpose. Back in twenty fourteen, when Islamic State, the
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Speaker 2: terror group don't forget the terror group allegedly that inspired
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre was rampaging through Iraq, Australia did not
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Speaker 2: hesitate to stend strike fighters to pound enemy positions throughout
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Speaker 2: the war zone. Now I know because I was there
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Speaker 2: advising the Prime Minister on some of these decisions. Yet
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Speaker 2: Australia now is even worse than the UK's key starmer,
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Speaker 2: who's no Winston Churchill says Trump. I mean, honestly, this
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Speaker 2: is pathetic and it confirms what I said last night.
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Speaker 2: We have a government as social justice activists, not the
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Speaker 2: national security warriors that these times demand. No one wants war,
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Speaker 2: but sometimes the alternative to war is surrender or annihilation.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to fight to protect what you have. Now, Yes,
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Speaker 2: finally the alben Eezy government is doing the right thing,
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Speaker 2: something more than nothing. But as usual, it's too little,
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Speaker 2: too late, because when it comes to standing up for
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Speaker 2: Australia and Australian values, the alban Eezi government has never
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Speaker 2: had its heart in it and this.
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Speaker 3: History shows us.
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Speaker 2: Week leaders give us danger, strength gives us peace. Last
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Speaker 2: night I brought to an interview with Sydney University Emeritus
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Speaker 2: Professor Diana Kenney, one of the brave medical experts speaking
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Speaker 2: out against what's probably the worst medical malepractice in decades,
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Speaker 2: and that is the apparent conspiracy between well funded trans
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Speaker 2: lobby groups and some government led health facilities allowing confused
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Speaker 2: children to make irreversible decisions to change their bodies.
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Speaker 3: Now, we don't allow miners.
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Speaker 2: To vote, to drive, or to smoke or drink alcohol
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Speaker 2: because we say they're not sufficiently mature. We allow some
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Speaker 2: of them to decide that really they're boys trapped in girls' bodies,
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Speaker 2: or vice versa, and on that basis to take puberty
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Speaker 2: blocking drugs and to even have surgeries that will change
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Speaker 2: their bodies and lives forever, even though many of these
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Speaker 2: children have mental health issues that are driving their gender confusion,
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Speaker 2: as Britain's Landmark Caste Review concluded two years ago.
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Speaker 3: Yet here in.
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Speaker 2: Australia, blowing doctors and scientists have been punished rather than
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Speaker 2: commended for their courage and integrity. As viewers would know,
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Speaker 2: doctor Gillian Spencer's been stood down from her work as
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Speaker 2: a hospital child psychiatrist in Queensland, and James Cook University psychiatrist,
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Speaker 2: doctor Andrew Amos has had his right to practice threatened
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Speaker 2: by his own professional association for the complaints about social
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Speaker 2: media posts. Well, last night on this program, Professor Kenny
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Speaker 2: didn't miss.
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Speaker 8: These transgender activists are more acting more like people in
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Speaker 8: cults or religious sex behave rather than scientists or medical professionals. Well,
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Speaker 8: we're not delivering the right message. The right message is
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Speaker 8: that some children are born in the wrong body and
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Speaker 8: that boys can be girls and girls can be boys.
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Speaker 8: And because we're not going along with a message of
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Speaker 8: that kind, we've been ostracized, marginalized, criticized and persecuted by
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Speaker 8: our professional organizations.
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Speaker 3: I told you she was strong.
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Speaker 2: Now, as you know, in Britain, giving pivoty blockers to
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Speaker 2: minors and body mutilating surgeries being all but stopped after
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Speaker 2: the Caunt Review found there was no sound, evidentiary basis
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Speaker 2: for these treatments. Instead, they focus on mental health interventions,
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Speaker 2: a sort of interventions we have when a young person
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Speaker 2: presents with a body dysmorphia disease like anorexia. Now we
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Speaker 2: don't just agree with anorexics at their fat We address
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Speaker 2: their underlying mental health concerns and we help mend their
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Speaker 2: physical state. Yet not so if that dysmorphia relates to gender. Instead,
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Speaker 2: we refuse to update statistics in this country, We push
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Speaker 2: kids down a pathway of life altering changes. We keep
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Speaker 2: parents in the dark. We don't even keep the basic
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Speaker 2: health statistics that are mandated for almost every other medical condition.
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Speaker 2: And if we don't keep the statistics, ask yourself why
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Speaker 2: what are the gender and medicine zealous wanting to hide?
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Speaker 3: What don't they want you to know? Today?
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Speaker 2: Former liberal health ministers, including of course former Health Minister
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Speaker 2: former PM Tony Abbott, called for an urgent independent inquiry
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Speaker 2: and demanded that the data be made public now without
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Speaker 2: a doubt, this is a scandal, and as more and
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Speaker 2: more brave medicos are speaking out the precious building on
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Speaker 2: the government here in Australia for our own version of
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Speaker 2: the Casts inquiry. Look, finally today that shock resignation, as
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Speaker 2: I said, no one knew it was coming of David
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Speaker 2: little Proud as leader of the National Party. Now I
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Speaker 2: believe him when he said was obviously heartfelt that he
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Speaker 2: left it all in the field and had nothing left
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Speaker 2: in the tank.
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Speaker 4: But I'm buggered. I'm buggered I have enough to lead
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Speaker 4: this great party. Would be the wrong thing for me
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Speaker 4: to do. I love the National Party. I grew up
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Speaker 4: in it. I'll believe till the day I die Green
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Speaker 4: and Gold. I love it, and it'd be wrong for
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Speaker 4: me to say that I'm the right person to continue
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Speaker 4: to lead. That's tough for me to say. I think
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Speaker 4: someone better can do it because I don't have the energy.
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Speaker 4: I'm out on my feet and I'm done.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough. I think that's absolutely genuine.
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Speaker 2: But with our society more polarized and politics more fragmented,
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Speaker 2: the job of leaders is getting harder all the time.
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Speaker 2: On the Conservative side, keeping the balance between in House
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Speaker 2: tills and one Nation types is not easy even inside
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Speaker 2: the National Party. Now, on balance, I think Little Proud's
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Speaker 2: done a good job where an that's holding all of
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Speaker 2: their lower House seats at the last elections, something the
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Speaker 2: Liberals have not done for a very long time. And
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Speaker 2: I think we all owe him a debt of gratitude
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Speaker 2: for his brave stand on the voice head of his
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Speaker 2: coalition partners and Liberals. I'll speak with Bridget mackenzie in
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Speaker 2: a moment on who's likely to replace him, but at
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Speaker 2: least the Coalition can be grateful that, unlike Susan Lee,
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Speaker 2: who's already quit the parliament, Little Proud at least will
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Speaker 2: not hit the taxpayers with a by election. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's get the headlines now out of Canberra with our
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Speaker 2: political reporter and Julia Bradley.
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Speaker 9: Good evening. David Little Proud has announced he's resigning as
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Speaker 9: National's leader as the party contends with surging support for
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Speaker 9: One Nation.
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Speaker 4: I'm buggered. I'm buggered.
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Speaker 10: I'll have enough.
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Speaker 9: The Member for Marinoa will remain in Parliament and recontest
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Speaker 9: his Queensland seat in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 3: It's been a pretty.
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Speaker 4: Rough road since the election. But I get to go
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Speaker 4: home to her, my wife, Familia.
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Speaker 6: I have found David to be a committed coalitionist as well,
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Speaker 6: and this is incredibly important because we've had a difficult
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Speaker 6: time in the coalition.
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Speaker 9: It means the Nationals will have a new leader steering
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Speaker 9: them through a crucial by election in the New South
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Speaker 9: Wales seat of Parah. Little Proud's replacement will be determined
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Speaker 9: this week. Australia will send aircraft and ADF personnel to
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Speaker 9: Golf nations as the Middle East conflict escalates. An E
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Speaker 9: seven surveillance aircraft with long range reconnaissance capability will be
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Speaker 9: based in the region for four weeks. Australia will also
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Speaker 9: provide the United Arab Emirates with air to air missiles.
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Speaker 9: The UAE is home to one of Australia's largest expatriate populations.
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Speaker 9: About twenty four thousand Australians live there. Padeck has taken
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Speaker 9: hold at petrol stations across Australia as the conflict drives
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Speaker 9: up prices and creates supply issues, particularly in the regions.
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Speaker 9: Some petrol stations have started rationing supply as motorists report
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Speaker 9: prices up to two dollars forty per liter. The Energy
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Speaker 9: Minister has conducted a round table with farming groups as
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Speaker 9: well as trucking and oil companies.
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Speaker 11: Fundamentally, Australia's fuel security is strong. That is the point
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Speaker 11: where I'm making. That is why there is no need
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Speaker 11: for people to panic buy or to order one hundred
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Speaker 11: or two hundred percent of what they normally order.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring out the co editor, Andrew Clenew. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: welcome that we'll start with a little proud news because
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Speaker 2: I think that was news to you me and I
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Speaker 2: think most of his colleagues this afternoon. He's not put
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Speaker 2: in the parliament. Let me make that clear. There is
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Speaker 2: no bio election in his seat, but he is stepping
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Speaker 2: down as the National Party leader. They'll have a party
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Speaker 2: room by the end of the week to choose their
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Speaker 2: new leader. But give me your drum here. I'll ask
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Speaker 2: you about who you think might emerge, but your reaction
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Speaker 2: to the events of the.
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Speaker 10: Day, well, I will give you my reaction, but I
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Speaker 10: think it's best to start with the news that I
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Speaker 10: can give you. This evening, Peter so scott News can
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Speaker 10: reveal that the vote for National Party leader will be
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Speaker 10: ten am tomorrow morning. They're getting it over quick and
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Speaker 10: the two candidates, I've been told by national sources will
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Speaker 10: be Kevin Hogan and Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: So there you go.
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Speaker 10: You heard it here first in terms of the events
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Speaker 10: of today. He didn't tell you.
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Speaker 12: Yep.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so you might look be looking at a senator
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Speaker 10: and Canavan had have a decent chance, wouldn't he. So
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Speaker 10: they talked about Michael McCormack and even Bridget. You can
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Speaker 10: probably clarify with Bridget she's not running. But that's my understanding.
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Speaker 10: I believe my sources in relation of these things can
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Speaker 10: change overnight. But we are going to get it over
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Speaker 10: with pretty quickly. And yet another leadership spill. What about that?
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Speaker 10: I mean, news wise, this year has been something, but really,
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Speaker 10: when Susan Ly went, you thought David Little Proud to
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Speaker 10: go as well. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong
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Speaker 10: when there's a split like that. The fact is the
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Speaker 10: two parties both have to take some blame for it,
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Speaker 10: and it ended up in the tanking of the Coalition
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Speaker 10: vote by some ten points and one Nation taking over.
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Speaker 10: Not only that, David Little Proud couldn't keep Barnaby in
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Speaker 10: the tent, could he? And how much better a situation
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Speaker 10: would the coalition be and if Barnaby was in the tent,
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Speaker 10: not with one Nation.
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Speaker 3: So really.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, Andrew, you finish because we're always got to delay
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Speaker 2: you and are you finished.
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Speaker 9: Well?
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Speaker 10: As I said this afternon Unfortunately for David Little Proud,
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Speaker 10: and I've always quite liked, I don't think his legacy
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Speaker 10: amounts to much at all. In fact, he's taken this
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Speaker 10: party backwards.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think he's taking them back on polling. But
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Speaker 2: the only test that actually counts where they end up
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Speaker 2: in an election, and in every election of the national
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Speaker 2: parties ended up in far better shape than the liberalsab
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Speaker 2: so I think we've got to.
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Speaker 3: Be fair there.
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Speaker 2: If you look at the scoreboard, David Little Proud's got
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Speaker 2: a good legacy. If you look at the polls right now,
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Speaker 2: he is struggling. They're all struggling, but just on Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 2: If you look at the numbers, if you drill into
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Speaker 2: some of the numbers and had a good look at
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Speaker 2: Samaras's recent poll, there's not a lot of pickup in
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Speaker 2: the one nation vote because of the Barnaby Joyce move
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of movement to one nation because of
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Speaker 2: Hansen's consistency and the issues.
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Speaker 3: That they're promulgating.
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Speaker 2: It's less about the individual move of Barnaby Joyce. Now
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Speaker 2: there may be a different view in Queensland. I think
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Speaker 2: he had a popularity in Queensland and parts of New
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Speaker 2: South Wales. We may see that in some state specific polls,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think is particularly popular in Victoria. Per
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Speaker 2: Salet CV's out on the ground in Farah. Let's see
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Speaker 2: how present he is in South Australia. But I think
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Speaker 2: the challenge now for the NATS will be I mean,
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Speaker 2: if they do go with a Senate leader, I'm scratching
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Speaker 2: my brain right now, Andrew. I can't think the last
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Speaker 2: time we've ever had a major party leader Democrats to
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Speaker 2: one side, but a major party leader in the Senate.
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Speaker 10: Democrats, sand Greens right. But yeah, it would be a first.
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Speaker 10: But I mean he ran against a little Proud in
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Speaker 10: the first place. I've been saying he's pretty reluctant to
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Speaker 10: do it, but it sounds like he might think it's
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Speaker 10: his time, But Kevin Hogan's deputy would feel like it's
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Speaker 10: it's time for him to go for it as well.
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Speaker 10: So it's an interesting situation that's going to be liberal
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Speaker 10: leaders in the Senate as well.
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Speaker 2: I think the only one that's going to be able
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Speaker 2: to stand any sort of bleed to one nation would
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Speaker 2: be a candidate rather than a Hogan, don't you think.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I think that's entirely fair. It's one of
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Speaker 10: the reasons I thought Hasty might work for the liberal side.
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Speaker 10: But you've just got to go a bit, you just
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Speaker 10: got to grab that vote, you know. But I think
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Speaker 10: Barnaby has helped. Okay, so you know, it might not
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Speaker 10: show people like Barnaby. People don't really like Pauline either.
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Speaker 10: What I've been told is people don't like Pauline. Labor
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Speaker 10: strategist said to me they don't know about the policies,
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Speaker 10: and a lot of them probably don't like Barnaby. But
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Speaker 10: it's the vibe, and the vibe is sort of working
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Speaker 10: at the moment. And once you have Barnaby and Pauline
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Speaker 10: both there, you've got a lot more publicity, You've got
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Speaker 10: a lot more feeling. It's a proper political party, and
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Speaker 10: even if it's a protest party, and I think that
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Speaker 10: whole package together kind of works.
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Speaker 3: Let's good.
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Speaker 10: The momentum is the word.
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Speaker 2: Right, there's an energy there with Barnaby, there's an energy.
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Speaker 2: And when you start getting incumbent MPs shift parties, which
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Speaker 2: is what we've seen with reform in the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 2: you build some momentum.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the Trump.
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Speaker 2: Trump and Prime Minister Albaneza call today or over night
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Speaker 2: two am.
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Speaker 3: You know, I did laugh.
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Speaker 2: Our Prime minister has for months and months and months
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Speaker 2: begged and cajoled and tried desperately to get a call
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Speaker 2: from the Prime from the President to.
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Speaker 3: Come to him.
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Speaker 2: And all he needed to do was look like he
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Speaker 2: was not going to help these Iranian women, and bingo,
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, the Donald gets on
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Speaker 2: the blower and wakes up albow. He rolls over and
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Speaker 2: picks up the phone and there you go. They have
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Speaker 2: this conversation and it all gets sorted in relation to
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Speaker 2: the Iranian women. And then there's a lovely tweet that
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Speaker 2: comes out from the President lauding the Prime Minister for
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Speaker 2: doing the right thing.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean they'd already moved just before Trump put
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Speaker 10: up that post. I got to say, but and I
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Speaker 10: think someone a feeling in the Australian government is someone
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Speaker 10: said to Trump, I'll actually look they've done it, so
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Speaker 10: then he rang elbow to check it out, and yeah,
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Speaker 10: just sort of white house switchboard rang elbow was the
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Speaker 10: information I'd broadcast this morning. One wonders if that's one
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Speaker 10: of those ones which he doesn't put on the do
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Speaker 10: not disturb You know, Peter, you've got that ability on
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Speaker 10: folks these days, because how else does he wake up?
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Speaker 10: I imed if he missed the call. It's a it's
20:33
Speaker 10: been a crazy twenty four hours down here, it really has.
20:38
Speaker 2: What about the Greens, I've obviously got to keep talking
20:40
Speaker 2: about the budget, the budgets in May. We've got the
20:42
Speaker 2: Greens out there today is saying whatever Labour wants to
20:45
Speaker 2: do in terms of hiking taxes, they'll wave through unamended.
20:49
Speaker 2: So what I don't think we're going to see the
20:51
Speaker 2: government under any real pressure to cut their spending. They're
20:55
Speaker 2: just going to hit Australians even harder.
21:00
Speaker 10: Now, I reckon they're going to come under pressure to
21:03
Speaker 10: cut their spending. It's nothing to do with the Parliament
21:05
Speaker 10: because we had the NAB yesterday saying it'll be all media,
21:09
Speaker 10: of course, but the National austral Bank was saying inflation
21:12
Speaker 10: will reach five percent in the second quarter because of
21:15
Speaker 10: the war. So if he doesn't show a budget that
21:18
Speaker 10: shows proper I mean, I know he wants to do
21:20
Speaker 10: all these tax things, Jim charmers, but if he doesn't
21:22
Speaker 10: show that he's having a go at spending in this budget,
21:26
Speaker 10: and you know, they can smoke and mirror it a bit.
21:30
Speaker 10: If he doesn't show they're having a proper goald, it'll
21:32
Speaker 10: get smashed and he'll know that.
21:35
Speaker 3: Well he should. I mean, it's going to be a
21:37
Speaker 3: real change for the Senate.
21:39
Speaker 2: They don't even know the difference between net spending is
21:42
Speaker 2: net saves in the spending line and gross saves in
21:46
Speaker 2: the spending line.
21:47
Speaker 3: And I think taking you.
21:48
Speaker 2: Know, two hundred billion dollars from this budget line and
21:51
Speaker 2: putting it over here in this budget line is somehow
21:54
Speaker 2: a save.
21:54
Speaker 3: It's not.
21:55
Speaker 2: It's the same money going out the front door. They've
21:58
Speaker 2: just moved it in the columns. I mean, I've never
22:00
Speaker 2: seen a more incompetent set of number crunches there for
22:04
Speaker 2: the government in a very very long time.
22:10
Speaker 10: Well, Jim Chalmers, though he's very good at the spin,
22:12
Speaker 10: isn't he. But let's see how he goes this time.
22:15
Speaker 10: I think for him, for him, it's one or two
22:17
Speaker 10: budgets too many that are potentially coming because of the
22:21
Speaker 10: international situation. You know, he got a bit of luck,
22:24
Speaker 10: lucky charmers I think Chris Richardson called him when inflation
22:27
Speaker 10: was helping the budget numbers and bringing deficits down, and
22:31
Speaker 10: you know there was extra mining revenue. This time, you know,
22:36
Speaker 10: they're really going to squib it if they don't do
22:38
Speaker 10: the hard work, and the pressures on from advocates in
22:42
Speaker 10: the NDIS and the unions not to do the hard work.
22:45
Speaker 10: But they've just got to ignore that and think about
22:47
Speaker 10: the country's best interests. It's as simple as that.
22:51
Speaker 2: Well, I hope they're listening, Andrew. I'll sit there on
22:53
Speaker 2: a budget night. I'll count how many times he blames
22:56
Speaker 2: the budget papers on Iraq, just like he blamed them
23:00
Speaker 2: all on Ukraine. We'll see what happens. Thanks very much,
23:03
Speaker 2: all right, let's go now to more on the resignation
23:06
Speaker 2: of the National Party leader this afternoon. Someone who's worked
23:08
Speaker 2: past on, worked by his side for.
23:11
Speaker 3: A very long time.
23:12
Speaker 2: Leader of the NATS in the Senate, Bridget Mackenzie, of course,
23:14
Speaker 2: the National Party Senator of the Victoria.
23:16
Speaker 3: She joins me. Now, well, Bridge.
23:18
Speaker 2: I didn't get to speak to you because on you
23:19
Speaker 2: were on the program tonight, but most of your colleagues
23:22
Speaker 2: said they had no idea this was coming.
23:25
Speaker 3: What about you?
23:28
Speaker 13: Absolutely shocked.
23:29
Speaker 14: We got a statement sent through to the party room
23:33
Speaker 14: from David just before he made the announcement with his
23:36
Speaker 14: wife familiar and just the shock right across the room.
23:42
Speaker 13: We didn't see this coming.
23:43
Speaker 14: We had a planning day yesterday where we were looking
23:46
Speaker 14: forward to the next election, the types of policies we.
23:50
Speaker 13: Wanted to work up.
23:51
Speaker 14: We obviously had that page research paper on families, that
23:55
Speaker 14: holistic family policy we're discussing, so looking to the future,
23:59
Speaker 14: and even in leadership this morning, there was no hint that.
24:04
Speaker 13: Was on David's mind at all.
24:06
Speaker 14: But we congratulate him for his service and obviously wish
24:09
Speaker 14: he and Amelia and the boys all the best.
24:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I watched the press conference and he
24:16
Speaker 2: referenced a number of times that he was just buggered.
24:19
Speaker 2: And you know, you've been in the game a long time.
24:21
Speaker 2: I was in the game a long time. There is
24:23
Speaker 2: a point where you hit the wall. It takes a
24:25
Speaker 2: lot out of you. There's a lot of sacrifices on
24:27
Speaker 2: the home front, but there's it's just a grind and
24:31
Speaker 2: I think politics is getting harder and faster and more
24:34
Speaker 2: intense than ever.
24:37
Speaker 3: It's a genuine move, isn't it.
24:38
Speaker 2: He's not quit in the Parliament, just as I can't
24:40
Speaker 2: give the leadership what it's needing.
24:44
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I think I've always take David at his word,
24:47
Speaker 14: you know, And you could see it in the press
24:49
Speaker 14: conference himself. He was visibly moved. And he's always had
24:54
Speaker 14: his sleeves rolled up, his jacket off, and he's always
24:57
Speaker 14: given it one hundred and ten percent.
24:59
Speaker 13: And I think, you know, you.
25:00
Speaker 14: Heard today that he felt he couldn't do that anymore.
25:04
Speaker 14: And I think when we look at the loss after
25:06
Speaker 14: twenty twenty two, he really He and DUTs prior to
25:12
Speaker 14: New Year's in late twenty four had some really competitive position.
25:18
Speaker 14: We've got nuclear power as part of our foundational policy areas, etc.
25:24
Speaker 14: But then the catastrophic loss I think after this last
25:28
Speaker 14: election has really left its mark, even though our political
25:34
Speaker 14: party probably didn't suffer as badly. Obviously the Liberals as
25:38
Speaker 14: part of that senior leadership team, EDI is a big
25:40
Speaker 14: ask to keep fronting up day in day out.
25:44
Speaker 2: In the press conference, he said that be a party
25:46
Speaker 2: room on Thursday. Andrew Clenel just says no, that in
25:48
Speaker 2: fact will be tomorrow at ten am. It has been
25:51
Speaker 2: brought forward two names, he said, that are in the mix,
25:54
Speaker 2: and can you confirm Kevin Hogan is one and Senator
25:58
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan is the other.
26:00
Speaker 3: Is that what you're aware of.
26:04
Speaker 13: I'm aware of both of them.
26:05
Speaker 14: They've both put out public statements to that effect. So
26:09
Speaker 14: Kevin and Hogan, Kevin and Matt will be two of
26:13
Speaker 14: the candidates for leadership tomorrow.
26:16
Speaker 3: Any more, Bridge, are you putting your hander.
26:20
Speaker 1: Well?
26:21
Speaker 13: Kreedlin, I knowing I've.
26:23
Speaker 14: Sat through a few leadership ballots in my time, and
26:27
Speaker 14: I think there'll be a few surprises tomorrow. It won't
26:30
Speaker 14: just be Kevin and Matt putting their hand up. It's
26:32
Speaker 14: a great privilege to lead our party, and I think
26:36
Speaker 14: at this particular time, the challenges that our particular political
26:39
Speaker 14: movement faces are real and prove to be quite an
26:43
Speaker 14: existential threat if we don't get the mix right going
26:48
Speaker 14: into the next election.
26:49
Speaker 13: It has to be that mix of obviously.
26:52
Speaker 14: Strong values, deep connection to our community, and prepared to
26:57
Speaker 14: have a fight where it's needed.
27:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't recall a major party leader. I certainly
27:03
Speaker 2: can't recall a National Party leader party leader from the Senate,
27:08
Speaker 2: But I said to Andrew Clenell, giving you bleeding votes
27:12
Speaker 2: to one Nation, if it's those two names on the table,
27:15
Speaker 2: I'd be back in mat Canavan if it was me.
27:19
Speaker 14: Well, I think both have a great track record, but
27:23
Speaker 14: I don't think being from the Senate is any barrier
27:25
Speaker 14: to being leader of the National Party. We are the
27:29
Speaker 14: third party of government, but we're not a major party.
27:32
Speaker 14: The Prime Minister will never come from our particular side
27:36
Speaker 14: of our political movement. And indeed, the threat that we're
27:41
Speaker 14: facing the leader of One Nation is also in the Senate.
27:45
Speaker 14: So I think politics is changing a lot, and we
27:49
Speaker 14: as a political movement and as a party room, tomorrow
27:52
Speaker 14: we'll have to make a decision about who's best to
27:55
Speaker 14: lead us forward with the values we need and that
27:59
Speaker 14: broad appeal to Australians.
28:03
Speaker 2: Just before I go, I know you're up around the
28:05
Speaker 2: Woodonger area, and I'm going to speak to an energy
28:08
Speaker 2: analyst after the break, but I am hearing out the
28:11
Speaker 2: whimra away grain farmers, in particular, stocks of fuel low.
28:17
Speaker 2: There's concerns some towns will go dry what are you hearing, Bridget.
28:22
Speaker 14: Here, Well on the shadow Transport Minister, and I've been
28:25
Speaker 14: talking to the aviation sector, the shipping sector and our truckers.
28:30
Speaker 14: We've been hearing that fuels being rationed to croppers in Wa,
28:35
Speaker 14: our fishing industry up in Queensland.
28:37
Speaker 13: I've been in contact with them today.
28:39
Speaker 14: They're seeing reserves depleted and in many, many country towns
28:44
Speaker 14: we're seeing rationing at the servo. So the Labor Party
28:48
Speaker 14: has many, many levers available to it to address this situation.
28:54
Speaker 14: And you can't address a problem unless you're prepared to
28:56
Speaker 14: admit there is one. And even today in question time
28:59
Speaker 14: we had senior ministers saying there was no supply problem.
29:03
Speaker 13: We don't have to go.
29:04
Speaker 14: Very very far out of the CBD of capital cities
29:07
Speaker 14: to see that there is a significant problem, and not
29:10
Speaker 14: just with diesel supplies and price, but also with unleaded
29:14
Speaker 14: at the bowser.
29:16
Speaker 2: All right, well, you've teased us to say tomorrow at
29:18
Speaker 2: ten o'clock it could be a bit more of a
29:20
Speaker 2: Melbourne cup. Feel we will watch that with interest. Bridget McKenzie,
29:23
Speaker 2: thank you. After the rag, Donald Trump ups the Andy
29:26
Speaker 2: when it comes to the shutdown of the Strait of
29:28
Speaker 2: Humus despite his support, though no tankers are yet moving through.
29:33
Speaker 2: So what's this mean about petrol prices and all the
29:35
Speaker 2: things I just discussed there with bridget industry experts or
29:39
Speaker 2: Kavonek coming out. Welcome about good news of course for
29:44
Speaker 2: those five Iranian soccer players. But one of the other
29:47
Speaker 2: women said to return. There's talk they could face the
29:51
Speaker 2: death penalty. We understand they're about to fly into Sydney
29:54
Speaker 2: Airport from the Gold Coast Airport.
29:56
Speaker 3: We don't know whether that means.
29:58
Speaker 2: Then they're out in the history community all perhaps is
30:01
Speaker 2: another international flight. I'll get some more details when I
30:04
Speaker 2: speak to a member of the local Iranian community. At
30:06
Speaker 2: the moment now, though to oil, the price of oil
30:09
Speaker 2: shaping up to be a major factor in how the
30:11
Speaker 2: war is conducted, with Donald Trump warning it rather that
30:14
Speaker 2: they will be hit twenty times harder if they try
30:17
Speaker 2: and stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz.
30:20
Speaker 2: As he took to the left turn earlier today and
30:22
Speaker 2: signal the war was all but one. Many analysts argued
30:26
Speaker 2: it was the risk of an oil shock that promoted
30:28
Speaker 2: that prompted the president's comments and the impact of his
30:32
Speaker 2: press conference.
30:34
Speaker 3: It was immediate.
30:35
Speaker 2: Oil prices fell some nine point five percent. They're now
30:39
Speaker 2: well and truly under one hundred dollars dollars a barrel,
30:42
Speaker 2: the mark of those still jittery here and in the
30:45
Speaker 2: United States. I suspect his declaration of victory today was
30:48
Speaker 2: as much about quieting down the share market and the
30:53
Speaker 2: oil price, but also he's got an eye on his megabase.
30:56
Speaker 2: They don't like these forever wars. And of course he's
30:59
Speaker 2: got the mid terms later this year. Joining me now
31:02
Speaker 2: to discuss all of this. MST. Marquee Energy analyst Sulkovonic
31:07
Speaker 2: so as I said then that the president's press conference
31:10
Speaker 2: was extraordinary. They ran sort of a ticket tape of
31:14
Speaker 2: the share market underneath it, and it was immediate. His
31:18
Speaker 2: words caused the price of oil to fall. Its settled
31:21
Speaker 2: down the market. It certainly had an impact here as well.
31:25
Speaker 2: He says, it's all but one. Others are saying this
31:29
Speaker 2: could be months before things settled down.
31:31
Speaker 3: Give me your expert view.
31:34
Speaker 1: Well, as you say, it was the biggest intrad a
31:36
Speaker 1: swing in oil prices in the history since the oil
31:40
Speaker 1: prices have been recorded. And it's not every day that
31:44
Speaker 1: you see a comment by a president or anyone else
31:47
Speaker 1: manages to cause a three trillion dollars a year market
31:51
Speaker 1: moved by thirty percent in a matter of minutes. Now,
31:57
Speaker 1: as you say, I think this is rhetoric coming from Trump.
32:00
Speaker 1: He's trying to take some pressure off the oil prices
32:05
Speaker 1: given the political and economic implications of the spiking oil
32:09
Speaker 1: prices over the weekend. But if you take in tootality
32:13
Speaker 1: some of the comments that Trump said, where he did
32:15
Speaker 1: talk about the war being essentially over sooner rather than later,
32:20
Speaker 1: but at the same time talking about threatening Iran by
32:24
Speaker 1: going much harder if they continue to block the straightup Moors,
32:27
Speaker 1: and the need potentially for the US and Allies to
32:31
Speaker 1: provide a navy escorts to the Stratupilmors. Obviously you don't
32:35
Speaker 1: talk about you're not going to be planning these kind
32:38
Speaker 1: of military campaigns and escorts if you're also planning for
32:41
Speaker 1: the war to be over next week. So I think
32:43
Speaker 1: we need to take these comments with a bit of
32:45
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, and ultimately, as it stands today,
32:48
Speaker 1: the war is still on an escalatory pathway Passage to
32:52
Speaker 1: the strain of Moors is down to a trickle supply
32:56
Speaker 1: for both l G and oil is being shut in
32:59
Speaker 1: more and more on a day aily basis, and that
33:02
Speaker 1: does pretend the biggest impact on oil markets we have
33:05
Speaker 1: ever seen, even bigger than the oil shots we sow
33:08
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies.
33:11
Speaker 2: A couple of questions before I move on to some
33:13
Speaker 2: domestic issues here, given that a lot of these tankers
33:16
Speaker 2: are foreign flagged, If the US Navy is going to
33:20
Speaker 2: be in the Straits and defending foreign flag ships, is
33:24
Speaker 2: that something you think the Americans are going to be
33:26
Speaker 2: comfortable with?
33:28
Speaker 3: And also I guess.
33:31
Speaker 2: With these tankers and with supply, are we going to
33:36
Speaker 2: see an immediate impact? I mean, there were issues with insurance,
33:40
Speaker 2: So there's one thing to put the Navy there, but
33:42
Speaker 2: a lot of them can't get insurance to ensure the
33:46
Speaker 2: stock of oil in the tanker. Now, the President said
33:49
Speaker 2: that that's going to be worked on inside the bureaucracy
33:52
Speaker 2: in the United States.
33:54
Speaker 3: How's that also moving soul?
33:58
Speaker 1: So there's three things here. The first time, insurance, there
34:01
Speaker 1: are plans underway, hope and expecting that there'll be insurance
34:05
Speaker 1: offering resolution, if not the end of this week, by
34:09
Speaker 1: next week. The second part then is military av escorts
34:14
Speaker 1: and the issue with navy escorts is as a RUN
34:17
Speaker 1: has already threatened to do. I Run will attack the first,
34:20
Speaker 1: the first convoy that goes through with everything that they've got,
34:24
Speaker 1: and if they're successful, that could put a Holt or
34:27
Speaker 1: stymy the entire convoy system. But lastly, and I think
34:31
Speaker 1: this is what's underestimated, even with a successful convoy system,
34:34
Speaker 1: you can't, because convoys are slower, you cannot return to
34:37
Speaker 1: full passage to the straight up from so it will
34:39
Speaker 1: still be limited to fifty to seventy percent rates. And
34:42
Speaker 1: if you take this in totality, you can see how
34:45
Speaker 1: a convoy system plus some diversions through the Red Sea
34:49
Speaker 1: could restore a lot of oil supply within which, in
34:52
Speaker 1: addition to the petroleum reserves being released, can buy us
34:57
Speaker 1: several months for oil. But for l En there is
35:01
Speaker 1: no alternatives to the straight of humors, and energy is
35:04
Speaker 1: going to be impacted as already being impacted much faster
35:07
Speaker 1: and much harder than oil is.
35:10
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about what Australia should have here in
35:13
Speaker 2: terms of stock. We've got the International Energy Agency treaty
35:18
Speaker 2: we're signed up to that we're supposed to have ninety
35:20
Speaker 2: days worth a supply in this country. The Energy Minister
35:24
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen says we're absolutely where we need to be
35:27
Speaker 2: and we are meeting that requirement. But I understand when not.
35:32
Speaker 2: We haven't got ninety days of stock in Australia. Some
35:35
Speaker 2: of that stock we're about fifty percent on told a
35:37
Speaker 2: fifty days sorry, some of that stock is still on
35:41
Speaker 2: its way or potentially offshore and could be brought here.
35:45
Speaker 1: And what's the truth, Well, Australia is a major lag
35:49
Speaker 1: on here. We're only about half the ninety day level
35:52
Speaker 1: compared to every other OECD country which meets or exceeds
35:56
Speaker 1: are those stock levels by and large. So I mean
35:59
Speaker 1: that's why part of things. I think Chris Bone does
36:01
Speaker 1: have a point though where counting storage for example overseas
36:06
Speaker 1: doesn't really count if you've got a major maritime disruption
36:10
Speaker 1: and we need to see more focus here. The truth is,
36:12
Speaker 1: the reason Australia is in such a precarious state regarding
36:15
Speaker 1: its fuel security and supply chains there is because we
36:18
Speaker 1: don't produce anywhere near the level of oil that we
36:21
Speaker 1: used to, so we're now almost entirely dependent of imports.
36:25
Speaker 1: And the big part of the has been we've had
36:26
Speaker 1: a hostile policy environment which made it very hard to
36:29
Speaker 1: get approval to build new oil projects and explore for
36:32
Speaker 1: new oil in Australia. The best way to shield ourselves
36:35
Speaker 1: from international shocks in oil markets is to be self
36:38
Speaker 1: sufficient in oil, but becoming increasingly more alliance on imports
36:43
Speaker 1: because we're seeing a decline in production and an inability
36:46
Speaker 1: to invest to replenish that.
36:49
Speaker 2: Yes, because we've got fossil fuel phobia. So that's what
36:51
Speaker 2: we've got, fossil fuel phobia. I'll leave it there, thank
36:55
Speaker 2: you very much. After the break, the latest on the
36:57
Speaker 2: enormously brave actions of those five ye raining they got
37:01
Speaker 2: away from their handlers on the Gold Coast.
37:03
Speaker 3: So is this it?
37:04
Speaker 2: Or do more want to flee or speak in a
37:07
Speaker 2: moment to a former Iranian now Australian who's been very
37:10
Speaker 2: vocal in her support of the team, talk about coming
37:17
Speaker 2: out of the alleged Bondai gunman moves to have the
37:19
Speaker 2: court protect the identity of his family from the media.
37:23
Speaker 3: That's soon.
37:24
Speaker 2: Let's now, though, return to the brave Iranian football players.
37:27
Speaker 2: Thankfully we've got five now granted assign them in Australia
37:31
Speaker 2: after they escape their handlers at a Gold Coast hotel.
37:34
Speaker 2: They're on a plane from the Gold Coast. Now the
37:37
Speaker 2: team to Sydney Airport. We're not sure what's happening. Then
37:41
Speaker 2: one of my guests, though now I might know Noah's Hassidi,
37:44
Speaker 2: is from the Iranian Women's Association and she joins me
37:47
Speaker 2: here in Melbourne. Thank you for your time. I want
37:49
Speaker 2: to say from the outset me, this network, so many
37:54
Speaker 2: of Australia, so many Australians are behind you, the diaspora
38:00
Speaker 2: in the Iranian community. I can't fathom what you're going through.
38:03
Speaker 2: We were just talking off air. You have family in Iran.
38:07
Speaker 2: This is a worrying time.
38:08
Speaker 13: It really is.
38:09
Speaker 15: And thank you so much for having us, having me
38:11
Speaker 15: on the show better and thank you so much for
38:13
Speaker 15: your solidarity.
38:15
Speaker 3: It really does mean a great deal.
38:17
Speaker 2: Are you in contact? Are you able to reach your
38:19
Speaker 2: family over there?
38:20
Speaker 15: No, there's been an internet and telecommunications blackout, so it's
38:24
Speaker 15: virtually impossible to reach family and loved ones. So we're
38:27
Speaker 15: not sure if they're dead or alive.
38:29
Speaker 3: Right, not updates. Okay, let's talk about these women. We've
38:32
Speaker 3: got five.
38:32
Speaker 2: Now that they've put up their hand, they've sort of
38:34
Speaker 2: sign them. It's been granted. They've got a one year
38:36
Speaker 2: VS from the Australian government. There are some reports that
38:40
Speaker 2: more in the team would like to remain in Australia.
38:43
Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
38:44
Speaker 15: So my understanding is that one of the girls who
38:47
Speaker 15: was seen being pulled away by one of her teammates,
38:50
Speaker 15: really wanted to stay, and she spoke to members of
38:53
Speaker 15: the Department of Home Affairs and she expressed an interest
38:57
Speaker 15: in learning more and finding out what her options are,
39:00
Speaker 15: but said that she'd like to consult with her family.
39:03
Speaker 15: And of course, given the internet blackout and communications blackout,
39:07
Speaker 15: she wasn't able to reach her family, but eventually did
39:10
Speaker 15: and they pleaded with her to return to Iran. And
39:13
Speaker 15: it's quite a difficult situation to be in and such
39:16
Speaker 15: a difficult decision to make.
39:18
Speaker 2: I'm keen on your assessment because we saw that imagery
39:21
Speaker 2: from the Iranian State TV where they'll be treated very severely.
39:25
Speaker 2: Think he says something like more severely because it's the
39:28
Speaker 2: time of wartime. Well, we already know how women are
39:30
Speaker 2: treated in Iran, So to go home, I wouldn't know
39:35
Speaker 2: from you what you think they're going to face.
39:37
Speaker 3: But of course if they.
39:38
Speaker 2: Stay here, the retaliation could be visited upon their family.
39:43
Speaker 2: So either way, they're either harmy potentially harming themselves or
39:48
Speaker 2: harming those they love.
39:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
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Speaker 15: They're caught between a rock and a hard place. They
39:52
Speaker 15: either need they need to weigh up whether they would
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Speaker 15: like to risk their family's life and stay here or
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Speaker 15: and obviously risk their own lives as well. And I
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Speaker 15: think that there will definitely be repercussions.
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Speaker 3: I do. I do.
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Speaker 15: We've seen that play out time and time again. We've
40:10
Speaker 15: seen athletes like Navid Afcotti, who was a famous wrestler
40:15
Speaker 15: who was made an example of and he was executed.
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Speaker 15: And during the woman Life Freedom movement, his sister and
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Speaker 15: his young niece were arrested and put in prison. So
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Speaker 15: this is a little young baby, an infant that was
40:28
Speaker 15: also thrown into prison.
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Speaker 2: So some people at home would be thinking, gosh, if
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Speaker 2: they decide to go back when they could have stayed here,
40:37
Speaker 2: the regime might decide to say, Okay, well you could
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Speaker 2: have stayed, you've decided to come back, we'll go easy on,
40:42
Speaker 2: go easy on you. I suppose you don't think that's
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Speaker 2: the case.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
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Speaker 15: I think that the regime is hell bent on making
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Speaker 15: an example of anyone who dares to speak out, and
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Speaker 15: the Iranian Prosecutor General recently announced that anybody in the
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Speaker 15: diaspora who's speaking out against.
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Speaker 3: The regime is going to face severe.
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Speaker 15: Repercussions, So I like you, yeah, and they'll be perceived
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Speaker 15: as being supporters of the enemy, and by enemy I
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Speaker 15: mean Israel and America in the regime's perspective. So this
41:12
Speaker 15: includes members of the diasper community who are attending protests
41:15
Speaker 15: where there are Israeli flags being flown. So whether they
41:19
Speaker 15: support Israel or not, they're going to be imputed with
41:21
Speaker 15: a political opinion.
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Speaker 3: In that they do support Israel and America. And if they.
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Speaker 15: Are to return, we have people here on student visas,
41:29
Speaker 15: visitor visas and other sorts of visas, as well as refugees.
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Speaker 15: So if they do return, they will face the full
41:36
Speaker 15: force of the law in Iran should they. And the
41:41
Speaker 15: regime is very well resourced in terms of its surveillance.
41:46
Speaker 15: It uses very sophisticated imagery.
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Speaker 2: And they had to reach obviously into Australia with terrorism.
41:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're all going to watch closely what happens
41:55
Speaker 2: at Sydney Airport in the next hour or so. I
41:57
Speaker 2: think it's in the next hour we will see the
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Speaker 2: pass through the airport. Just you, personally, have you been
42:05
Speaker 2: disappointed when we saw all those marches for months and
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Speaker 2: months on end for people in Gaza led by a
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Speaker 2: terrorist state? Where are the marches? Where is the mass
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Speaker 2: community support for the people of Iran? Is that disappointing you?
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Speaker 3: It really is disappointing.
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Speaker 15: Women in Iran have been struggling under very repressive conditions
42:26
Speaker 15: and their voices have been stifled. They've been met with
42:29
Speaker 15: rape and bullets every time they dared to speak up
42:32
Speaker 15: and stand up against this regime. And now that they've
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Speaker 15: reclaimed their voices and calling for a complete overthrow of
42:40
Speaker 15: this regime and a complete dismantling of the system, we
42:43
Speaker 15: do need to take it upon ourselves as Australians and
42:46
Speaker 15: stand up for the people of Iran. And it is
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Speaker 15: very disappointing that it feels like it's just the diaspora
42:51
Speaker 15: community and some people outside of our community that are
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Speaker 15: marching against the repressive regime.
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Speaker 2: I hope we get there. I really hope we get there.
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Speaker 2: I hope so to be your brave Thank you for
43:01
Speaker 2: coming on the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Jake's nice, I was all said me there, she's an
43:05
Speaker 2: Arabian Australian and so brave to speak to us as
43:09
Speaker 2: much as those women in Sydney are brave tonight, all right,
43:11
Speaker 2: after the break, the massive bureaucratic blunder by the Home
43:15
Speaker 2: Affairs Department, I'll reveal that to you in the moment.
43:18
Speaker 2: Plus and national scandal, the secrecy surrounding the number of
43:21
Speaker 2: children in Australia prescribed puberty.
43:23
Speaker 3: Blockers, that's next, Thank you, welcome back.
43:29
Speaker 2: The alleged bondlie gunman nevide Akram and sort of suppression
43:32
Speaker 2: order to protect the identities of his mother, brother and
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Speaker 2: sister from public scrutiny and claiming he fears for their safety.
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Speaker 2: His barrister's pushing for non publication and suppression orders and
43:44
Speaker 2: it looks like he's been given a twelve month or
43:47
Speaker 2: sorry not a twelve month, a temporary stay. Here to
43:51
Speaker 2: discuss this in more liberal Mpeter cole flipp at Page
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Speaker 2: Research Centered Chief Jered Holland, thank you for your time,
43:59
Speaker 2: both of you.
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Speaker 3: Nick.
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Speaker 2: The magistrate's given him a suppression order on a temporary basis,
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Speaker 2: but I have to say, yes, his crimes are allegian,
44:08
Speaker 2: and yes there is a legal process to go through,
44:10
Speaker 2: but I think is absolutely outrageous he wants his family
44:13
Speaker 2: protected when he's been charged with gutting down the family
44:17
Speaker 2: members of other Australians.
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Speaker 16: This is a very confronting issue, Peter, that is for sure.
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Speaker 16: I have zero sympathy for the alleged gunman and the
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Speaker 16: alleged terrorist. However, to the best of my knowledge, there
44:36
Speaker 16: is there are no allegations or indications that his family
44:39
Speaker 16: were involved in any way. So as a matter of
44:43
Speaker 16: first principles, I think that they do deserve to be protected,
44:48
Speaker 16: as I think anybody associated with a family member or
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Speaker 16: a friend who is accused of the most despicable and
44:57
Speaker 16: horrifying crimes should have the abilit to protect themselves from
45:02
Speaker 16: potential ramifications which could be very serious. You know, we
45:06
Speaker 16: saw the doxing of Jewish creatives not so long ago.
45:10
Speaker 16: They deserved protection. So that's I guess that's my butt
45:14
Speaker 16: to all of this. You know, yes, his family should
45:17
Speaker 16: be protected because there are no allegations against them, and
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Speaker 16: I sincerely hope that the police have properly investigated them.
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Speaker 16: But if they are then anyone deserves that level of protection.
45:29
Speaker 16: MP's deserve that level of protection. It's very hard to
45:32
Speaker 16: suppress it.
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Speaker 3: It's a suppressious parliament. Look, I agree with the legal.
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Speaker 2: Jurisprudence argument, Nick, but I sort of think if worrying
45:44
Speaker 2: about what could happen to your family after you commit
45:48
Speaker 2: a horrific crime, and if that perhaps stops you committing
45:52
Speaker 2: the crime, knowing that your name and everybody else associated
45:56
Speaker 2: with you this is all alleged, could end up causing
45:59
Speaker 2: them grief.
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Speaker 3: If that causes you to pull back.
46:02
Speaker 2: Then I think that's maybe a good thing. Jared, what
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Speaker 2: do you think?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: I agree, and I think fundamentally this is in the
46:08
Speaker 12: public interest. I mean, this is one of the most
46:10
Speaker 12: horrific crimes that has ever happened on Australian soil, and
46:15
Speaker 12: I think Australians deserve answers. And I totally take Nicole's
46:19
Speaker 12: point that there are no allegations being made that any
46:21
Speaker 12: family members had any involvement, but I think Australians are
46:25
Speaker 12: owed more of an explanation of what happened here. We
46:28
Speaker 12: do know that the alleged shooter was a father and
46:31
Speaker 12: son duo. That does beg questions where did these ideas
46:34
Speaker 12: come from, how were they radicalized? How did they imbew
46:38
Speaker 12: these ideas? Was it from social media? Was it from
46:40
Speaker 12: community ties or was it from the broader family? And
46:43
Speaker 12: I think with an event like what happened in BONDI
46:46
Speaker 12: fundamentally the safety of Australians and us understanding who is
46:52
Speaker 12: in our country, what kind of ideology they are in imbibing,
46:56
Speaker 12: where they are getting that ideology from, what kind of
46:59
Speaker 12: environment generates this sort of hate and malice. I think
47:02
Speaker 12: absolutely it should be opened to public scrutiny. And to
47:05
Speaker 12: your point, Peter, if that dissuades others from carrying out
47:08
Speaker 12: these kind of attacks in future, then that's just another benefit.
47:13
Speaker 3: Nick.
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Speaker 2: What about the Egyptian who stabbed his sister's partner almost
47:18
Speaker 2: to death. He had then his visa counseled by the
47:22
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Department.
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Speaker 3: He appealed it to the High Court.
47:25
Speaker 2: I don't know, but possibly with taxpayers support and the
47:28
Speaker 2: High Court the Federal Court bigger pardon. The Federal Court
47:31
Speaker 2: quashed the visa cancelation because they said it two took
47:34
Speaker 2: the Albanezer government too long to act on his case. Now,
47:38
Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Department says, Oh, we've got resourcing issues.
47:41
Speaker 2: We don't have enough funding, these complex training requirements, blah
47:45
Speaker 2: blah blah.
47:46
Speaker 3: There's always an excuse with this mob.
47:48
Speaker 2: But surely now that they've got a federal court decision
47:51
Speaker 2: like this, it must be appealed. We must be able
47:55
Speaker 2: to cancel visas in this country. And I don't care
47:57
Speaker 2: how long it takes to do it. I don't care
47:58
Speaker 2: how hopeless the bureaus. But you don't get to stay
48:02
Speaker 2: in Australia doing a crime like that just because you
48:05
Speaker 2: didn't have natural justice in the required amount of weeks.
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Speaker 16: Mister smacks of the relevant Minister and the responsible Minister
48:15
Speaker 16: and Labor not doing their jobs. Once again, Peter, how
48:18
Speaker 16: many times have we discussed immigration issues like this on
48:22
Speaker 16: your show where Labor have completely dropped the ball. So
48:25
Speaker 16: they're not holding the department to account. They're clearly not
48:29
Speaker 16: changing the law to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
48:32
Speaker 3: It is absolutely appalling.
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Speaker 13: This individual should be.
48:35
Speaker 16: Deported And as I said on your show a couple
48:38
Speaker 16: of weeks ago, Peter, as we discussed why is it
48:40
Speaker 16: always the people who do the wrong thing that seem
48:43
Speaker 16: to have so many more rights than the innocent victims
48:47
Speaker 16: and people just mining their business and obeying the law.
48:49
Speaker 16: It is absolutely disgraceful.
48:53
Speaker 2: I want to circle back to the story by Rachel
48:55
Speaker 2: Baxendale yesterday in Australian again, she's gone back to it today.
49:00
Speaker 2: You're ready and you know you're a new dad and
49:02
Speaker 2: these issues are issues that parents are contending with around
49:05
Speaker 2: the country. We've got puberty blockers prescribed in Australia that
49:08
Speaker 2: are banned overseas. Now we've got surgeries happening in Australia
49:11
Speaker 2: that a banned overseas.
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Speaker 3: We've got brave doctors.
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Speaker 2: Speaking out that are basically delisted and deemed done professional,
49:18
Speaker 2: but still they bravely speak out. We now find out
49:21
Speaker 2: that six of the eight states are not keeping the
49:25
Speaker 2: data or not making the data a public in relation
49:28
Speaker 2: to the prescription of puberty blockers. Tony Abbott, former Health minister,
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Speaker 2: and others are saying we must have an independent inquiry.
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Speaker 3: What's your thoughts.
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Speaker 12: I think a generation of kids a decade from now
49:43
Speaker 12: are going to look back with horror at how we
49:47
Speaker 12: experimented on them on a society wide scale and then
49:51
Speaker 12: protected those who conducted those experiments from any sort of
49:55
Speaker 12: public scrutiny when we had the cast review in the
49:57
Speaker 12: UK looking at the Tatastock Clinic what they were doing,
50:01
Speaker 12: and they had damning findings that led to that clinic
50:05
Speaker 12: being shut down and a complete room through the way
50:08
Speaker 12: that this gender affirming care as they call it, has
50:11
Speaker 12: been administered to children. There is all around the world
50:14
Speaker 12: countries who are looking at this. They are seeing those
50:17
Speaker 12: kids who went through this in their adult life, saying
50:19
Speaker 12: we didn't have the faculties, We weren't old enough to
50:21
Speaker 12: make these kind of permanent, life altering decisions about our
50:25
Speaker 12: own biology. But all two willing parents, all two willing adults,
50:30
Speaker 12: pushed us along this conveyor belt of medical experimentation, and
50:35
Speaker 12: there was a complete lack of duty of care. Now
50:37
Speaker 12: we aren't looking at this year. I think it's horrific
50:39
Speaker 12: what the States are doing. At least open up, tell
50:42
Speaker 12: us what you're doing, be open and transparent if you
50:44
Speaker 12: are so confident that it's in the kid's best interests.
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Speaker 2: I got to leave it there, but beautifully said thank
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Speaker 2: you to you both, thank you to you both.
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Speaker 3: That's differently. See tomorrow night is Andrew