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- 0:08Good afternoon, it's Friday the 23rd of January 2026, just after
- 0:121:00. Welcome to UK column News.
- 0:14I'm your host, Mike Robinson, my Co host in the studio today,
- 0:17Patrick Henickson welcomes the program.
- 0:18Patrick. Great to be with you, Mike.
- 0:20And we'll be joined today once again by Basil Valentine.
- 0:23Now later in the program, we're going to be covering the latest
- 0:25on the Holocaust Memorial, local elections, more from Davos,
- 0:29including Trump's Board of Peace and the situation with ICE in
- 0:33the United States. But we're going to begin today
- 0:35with the NHS and Palantir Patrick.
- 0:38Well, this is a really important story for for people in the UK
- 0:42and I think we are going to be able to lay out the facts here.
- 0:45And I want to get comment from from both you and Basil
- 0:48Valentine on this. But the NHS and Palantir, this
- 0:52is a relationship that is now inextricably linked and we're
- 0:56going to point to an excellent report here by an independent
- 1:00media called the People's Dispatch.
- 1:01The British government pressures NHS institutions to adopt the
- 1:07quote Palantir plan and it's getting a lot of pushback from
- 1:11independent advocates, civil liberties people, people
- 1:14concerned with rights and using people's data.
- 1:18And what's going to happen to that data?
- 1:20The dangers of which of allowing Palantir to access all NHS data
- 1:25And Keir * what, what is his position on this?
- 1:28What is the Starmer government's position on this?
- 1:30Let's look at a couple of takeaways from this issue right
- 1:34here. First of all, the government
- 1:35officials have attempted to reassure patients and staff that
- 1:39safeguards would prevent misuse of NHS data, claiming that data
- 1:44would be anonymized or pseudo. This is a tongue twister right
- 1:52there, however, that such assurances can be misleaded.
- 1:56The nature of health data is that it's so personal that it's
- 2:00actually very difficult to fully anonymize.
- 2:04And we'll go on here. The analysis continues
- 2:07Palantir's business strategy, offering new users initial
- 2:11access at minimal cost. Users were talking about
- 2:14governments and institutions here, then raises the prices
- 2:18while locking them into dependence by retaining
- 2:21intellectual property rights and limiting compatibility with
- 2:25other systems. Government and public services
- 2:29are a favorite target under the strategy.
- 2:32Mike that can only be described as rent seeking.
- 2:35Rent seeking. Now I want to bring Basil Valley
- 2:37Valentine on for this. Basil, this is a incredible
- 2:41story. This issue seems to have
- 2:43advanced down the road and a lot of people just aren't even aware
- 2:48that this has already happened. Give us your your thoughts on
- 2:52this important story. Yes, thank you, Patrick.
- 2:56Well, this contract was initially awarded by the
- 2:59Conservative government in 2023, although Palantia is also known
- 3:04to have close ties to the Labour Party, and it's been reported
- 3:08that they hired Peter Mandelson to lobby the Labour government
- 3:11to help it win more government contracts.
- 3:14This particular contract is up for renewal in February of next
- 3:18year. And last year, in 2025, the
- 3:21British Medical Association passed a formal resolution
- 3:24calling for the cancellation of the contract.
- 3:27The BMA of course, the organization that represents
- 3:30British doctors. The resolution said the
- 3:33involvement in Palantir in the NHS threatens to undermine
- 3:37public trust in NHS data systems due to a lack of transparency in
- 3:42how the data will be stored and processed, a track record of
- 3:47creating discriminatory policing software in the US.
- 3:52That of course is Palantir's other speciality and close links
- 3:55to AUS government, which shows little regard for international
- 3:59law. The British doctors, they're
- 4:01making a sideways reference to Palantir's involvement in the
- 4:06Gaza genocide. Now I'm pleased to say there is
- 4:09increasing push back here in the UK against it.
- 4:12Zach Polanski wrote to Alex Karp of CEO of Palantir earlier this
- 4:18week putting the company on notice and saying that should
- 4:21the Greens form any part of a future British government, they
- 4:24would be terminating the contract forthwith.
- 4:27And meanwhile, there's resistance from within side the
- 4:29NH chess. Although the government are
- 4:31trying to force this down everybody's throats, it does
- 4:34require the cooperation of patients and staff and that
- 4:37cooperation is being withheld. Duncan McCann of a good law
- 4:41project, Stretch the patients, healthcare workers and policy
- 4:44Lakers. We must understand that this
- 4:46deal has real impacts on NHS functioning.
- 4:50It's not just esoteric concerns. So if we choose to opt out then
- 4:55I hope and believe we can. But why is the British
- 4:58government so dead set on working with Palantir?
- 5:03There are dozens of companies that provide the same services.
- 5:06Why pick Palantir? That's, that's a good question,
- 5:10Basil, but but I want to put this to you as well because it's
- 5:13at the end of the day, Palantir, a US based company with close
- 5:17ties to Israel. Other data, other similar types
- 5:22of companies exist, of course. But none of this would have been
- 5:26possible if if the UK Parliament had not passed the Data Use and
- 5:31Access Bill as the Data Use and Access Act, because that was the
- 5:35legislation which amended the data protection legislation to
- 5:37allow this data to be exported. And well, the UK column, amongst
- 5:43others, were highlighting the dangers of this right the way
- 5:47through its process through Parliament.
- 5:49Nobody seemed to notice. So what is it?
- 5:51What actually does it take to get people to notice this stuff?
- 5:54And, you know, it's at this point it's already too late
- 5:58because that legislation is on the statute books, as it were.
- 6:04Well, you make a very good point, Mike.
- 6:06There's so much of this that goes on behind closed doors in
- 6:09the corridors of Whitehall, but I just want to make reference as
- 6:13well to the sort of tangential situation with the Home Office.
- 6:19Shabana Mahmoud, Panopticon of surveillance This is a white
- 6:24paper on policing expected next week, which will dramatically
- 6:28expand the use of artificial intelligence with the aim of
- 6:31keeping the eyes of the state on offenders at all times.
- 6:36Police could soon be stopping criminals before they even
- 6:38commit offences, and the sweeping reforms to be unveiled
- 6:42next week. Now the reason I mention it is
- 6:44because it's all part of this privatisation of data and it's
- 6:49subsequent potential for misuse by the authorities.
- 6:53You never know something in your NHS record might identify you as
- 6:58a potential criminal. The that then ends up with you
- 7:02being arrested before you've committed any crime.
- 7:04This is Minority Report. And Patrick, the other question
- 7:09is, will it will it remain with crime or will it be, will these
- 7:14people of interest, let's call them, include people that are
- 7:16speaking out in ways that government doesn't like?
- 7:19Well, there's that, Mike, but not, not just the targeting
- 7:22aspect, which becomes incredibly easy with this system, but in
- 7:25what I said at the digital ID protest a couple of weeks ago
- 7:29before Christmas, I said that it's already too late.
- 7:32The data sets are already being shared across departments.
- 7:35It's it's it's already happened. The only thing that hasn't been
- 7:38implemented is the front end in our interaction officially with
- 7:42it via the digital ID for instance, but that system is
- 7:45already constructed. The back end is already done.
- 7:48The data is already ubiquitous and who knows who has access to
- 7:51it. It could be being processed in
- 7:53U.S. data centers certainly would be, you know, US cloud
- 7:56power that's going to drive this with with Palantir.
- 7:59That's absolutely the case, yes. So is this is just rent seeking,
- 8:05really just incredibly entrapment, corporate entrapment
- 8:09and rent seeking because as it said, it gets you hooked on it
- 8:12dependent. And this is what's happened in
- 8:14the US. This is that that's their
- 8:16business model. It's a predatory, very
- 8:18manipulative, manipulative business model.
- 8:21And they'll they'll have you in perpetuity.
- 8:24It's impossible to migrate out of that system once you once you
- 8:27start, turn the key and start that down that road.
- 8:29Yeah. When you say that it's not
- 8:31technically impossible, it is absolutely financially
- 8:33impossible because once you're stuck in that, it is extremely
- 8:37expensive to try to get out of it, take a very long time.
- 8:40In the meantime, of course that you have to continue the service
- 8:43with that company and and they're they're not going to
- 8:46cooperate with, with the migration process either.
- 8:49So it it is, you know, very, very difficult.
- 8:52And politics are involved and money is involved in the back
- 8:55end. Now there's a petition which
- 8:57we'll bring up on screen right now.
- 8:59This is a petition which was created by Jemma Smith in the UK
- 9:04and it's about introducing an NHS data opt out and requiring A
- 9:09consultation for system expansion.
- 9:12So introducing a clear national opt out for your NHS data which
- 9:16is being processed on the Federated data platform, as well
- 9:20as the national data integration tenant, the ND IT.
- 9:25So have a look at this. We've got the links to this in
- 9:27the show description. It doesn't have a lot of
- 9:29signatures now, but it I've seen the argument for this as well as
- 9:33by the creator of this and it seems to make sense.
- 9:35I mean, these are things that are just not even available
- 9:38through this whole process. They've completely might bypass
- 9:42the public at every turn. And this is just one of a number
- 9:45of efforts here to try to claw back some accountability or some
- 9:50data sovereignty terms of the individual.
- 9:53I think Mike, this is just paving the way for the
- 9:55privatization or the automation of the NHS, whereby AI will be
- 10:01your doctor in the future and your access to actual real
- 10:04people in the system will be severely restricted 100%.
- 10:08Absolutely, 100%. But I think I think if there's
- 10:11going to be some kind of data opt out, it can't be left as a
- 10:14matter of trust. It's got to have a statutory
- 10:17basis and and some kind of legal accountability in the event that
- 10:22perhaps you take the opt out box and that gets ignored.
- 10:25Because at the end of the day, do we trust any of these people
- 10:29to to absolutely actually adhere to any wish to opt out?
- 10:33I don't. Is that a trick question?
- 10:36Well. Indeed, yeah.
- 10:37OK, well, we move on. We shall now let's move on then
- 10:41to the Holocaust Memorial Bill. Now it's received.
- 10:45It has now received royal assent, which the UK government
- 10:49says helps pave the way for a memorial and a Learning Center
- 10:53in Victoria Tower Gardens. Now, this has been extremely
- 10:56controversial, as Charles in particular has been reporting on
- 11:00for quite some time now. This was done, they say, just in
- 11:04time for Holocaust Memorial Day, which is on the 27th of January.
- 11:08And they're saying that once built, the memorial will stand
- 11:10at the heart of our democracy. That's their words.
- 11:13It's going to stand at the heart of our democracy.
- 11:16Now. The bill was first introduced in
- 11:172023 and it recommitted that the government, it was, it was a
- 11:22recommitment by the by the Starmer regime from something
- 11:27that the previous Tories government had decided to to run
- 11:31with. It removes a legal blockage
- 11:34caused by historic legislation which was preventing this being
- 11:39built in Victoria Tower Gardens because of of planning
- 11:42permission limitations. So those planning permission
- 11:45limitations have been removed. So let's just have a look at
- 11:48what Keir Starmer had to say before we get some comments here
- 11:51from from Patrick and and Basil. He said we must do everything
- 11:55possible to advance Holocaust education while we still have
- 11:58survivors able to guide us, located at the heart of our
- 12:02democracy. So he repeated that again.
- 12:04It will strengthen our national commitment to challenge
- 12:06prejudice wherever it appears and defend the values that bind
- 12:10us together. Does it do those things?
- 12:15I mean, no, irony is an irony proof zone we're going into
- 12:20here. Well exactly Basil, what are
- 12:22your thoughts on this? Because this has been highly
- 12:24controversial and quite a number of people don't want it, bearing
- 12:28in mind we already have a Holocaust Memorial in the
- 12:30country. Well, I take it he's referring
- 12:34to the Gaza Holocaust, and that's what this memorial is
- 12:36for, surely? Yeah.
- 12:39Well, that's that is a good question.
- 12:42I'll just. That's a good idea by Basil.
- 12:45Maybe there should be two side by side.
- 12:47I would support that. We have a memorial for the
- 12:51tragedy and the the genocide in Gaza and a Holocaust Memorial.
- 12:55That's fair. And then people can learn about
- 12:56both and learn the lessons from history from both tragedies.
- 13:00What do you think? Well, you know, the mantra is
- 13:04never again. But as number of Israeli
- 13:08spokespersons and associated assorted talking heads have
- 13:11said, as far as they're concerned, it's never again.
- 13:16Only for them, but not for thee, you know.
- 13:18So it's the most appalling double standards being exhibited
- 13:22here by Starmer, those utterly weasel words, while he himself
- 13:27has been not just complicit but, as we know through the spy
- 13:30flights over Gaza, actively involved in a genocide.
- 13:36I mean, we'll come on later to the moral atavism of Trump.
- 13:40Starmer is no better. Yeah.
- 13:43And not only that, Mike, the the whole Elbit Systems controversy,
- 13:47I mean, the government could have stepped in at any point,
- 13:51absolutely, and just restricted arms sales and that type of
- 13:53activity, while the case is in the ICC and the ICJI mean most
- 13:58people would look at that as a no brainer, especially with the
- 14:01Prime Minister that has a background as a human rights
- 14:04lawyer as well. That's the shocking part about
- 14:07it. Well, yes, but he's got other,
- 14:10other loyalties, let's put it that way.
- 14:13But let's just bring this on screen quickly because as I
- 14:16said, there has been some pushback against this and the
- 14:19main campaign as far as I know is St.
- 14:21Victoria, Victoria Tower Gardens, preventing building in
- 14:25this precious London park. The details of this campaign
- 14:29group will be in the show notes as well.
- 14:31So go and have a look at that if you want to find out more.
- 14:34OK, let's move on then to local elections.
- 14:37And of course the UK government has confirmed now that it's
- 14:42going to bring forward legislation to postpone
- 14:45elections for 29 councils. So if we just bring this on
- 14:48screen, this this for 29 councils have provided
- 14:52sufficient evidence on how postponement would would release
- 14:55capacity to help deliver local government reorganization.
- 14:59That's how they they were talking about it.
- 15:01So 202429 government, sorry, 29 local authorities are postponing
- 15:08elections, 34 councils are going to go ahead with elections and
- 15:13that means, according to the government, they're very pleased
- 15:16for us all to know that that means a majority of local
- 15:18elections will go ahead as planned.
- 15:20That should make us all feel a lot better.
- 15:22Now what they say is that where elections are postponed,
- 15:25existing councillors will have their terms extended.
- 15:28And they're saying that elections to the new unitary
- 15:31councils are expected to take place in May 2027, with the new
- 15:35councils expected to be up and running in April 2028.
- 15:39But this was a bit, Basil, I really want to get your thoughts
- 15:42on this because this was a bit that almost made me fall off my
- 15:45chair because I'm going to quote what they said here.
- 15:48They said these decisions follow precedent between 2019 and 2022.
- 15:53The previous government postponed local local council
- 15:56elections to protect local government reorganization work.
- 15:59So postponement then, as now, they said, is to enable focused
- 16:03work on implementing proposals. Now that had me in stitches
- 16:07because this here's a man who is Prime Minister on the basis of
- 16:11campaigning on the idea of change, that he was going to do
- 16:14something different to the Tory government.
- 16:16And here we are with him, actually, without a sense of a
- 16:19thread of irony, using the Tory government as president for this
- 16:23bad behavior. Well, as Thomas said, the heart
- 16:28of our democracy, Mike, is the Holocaust Memorial, not
- 16:32elections. What on earth makes you think
- 16:35that elections at regular intervals should have anything
- 16:37to do with democracy? Our democracy is defined by that
- 16:40Holocaust Memorial and nothing more.
- 16:44Yes, I'm not sure where to go after.
- 16:50That there's nothing more democratic than postponing
- 16:52elections. What do you think?
- 16:54No, I think that's. That's a very Democratic thing
- 16:56to do extremely Democrat, just like Zelensky in Ukraine.
- 17:00He's he's, he's postponing now what he's over a year in 18
- 17:04months in, yes, out of mandate. I mean, and that's the paragon
- 17:08of democracy for Europe. We need to defend that, right,
- 17:11Defend Zelensky because he's not having elections.
- 17:14I can see where this is going by the way.
- 17:16Seems to be a pattern emerging, not a good one.
- 17:19No, indeed. OK, well that's local elections.
- 17:22We will keep you posted as as that develops as well.
- 17:25And of course that legislation will be coming forward very
- 17:28soon. But let's move back across to
- 17:31Switzerland and Davos Patrick. Well, yeah, this is this is the
- 17:35great confab, isn't it, Mike? This is when the great and the
- 17:37good get together. And this is quite prestigious.
- 17:40It's now they're no longer calling it Davos.
- 17:42It's now called the WEF and a lot of people are using this
- 17:46term now. So they've really graduated
- 17:48right up to the up the cultural ladder.
- 17:50They've now got their own sort of quick nickname, if you will,
- 17:55almost a hashtag the WEF. And so what's going on at the
- 17:58WEF? All is not well at the WEF.
- 18:00This has become the biggest slugfest at Davos in living
- 18:05memory. And a lot of that's to do with
- 18:07Donald Trump and his entourage that have descended onto the
- 18:11slopes of Davos, once the pristine and serene liberal
- 18:17neoliberal enclave in the Swiss Alps.
- 18:20And here is the big controversy. And this is pretty, I, I think,
- 18:24pretty significant. Christina Lagarde, she is the
- 18:27central banker of Europe and she walked out after Howard
- 18:32Lutnick's speech. Howard Lutnick is Donald Trump's
- 18:36commerce secretary and we'll we'll look at him in a moment.
- 18:39But apparently, and she left the Davos dinner.
- 18:42I think she may have left the event full stop.
- 18:44She was completely taken aback and offended by the comments
- 18:49from Trump. Now, this is interesting too
- 18:51because, you know, bankers are usually politically agnostic.
- 18:54It wasn't the politics, though, that she was offended by.
- 18:57It was the almost imposition of monetary policy coming from the
- 19:03United States in terms of what Europe needs to do in terms of
- 19:07accommodating American financial interests.
- 19:10And that goes really flies in the face of everything that I
- 19:13think any European bureaucrat, civil service or even technocrat
- 19:19is willing to swallow. And we'll talk about that in a
- 19:22moment. Now, here is the Howard Lutnick
- 19:24railing against globalization. I want to comment on this
- 19:29afterwards. Let's roll this.
- 19:32And the Trump administration and myself, we are here to make a
- 19:36very clear point. Globalization has failed the
- 19:41West and the United States of America.
- 19:44It's a failed policy. It is what the WEP has stood
- 19:48for, which is export offshore, far shore, find the cheapest
- 19:55labour in the world and the world is a better place for it.
- 19:58The fact is it has left America behind.
- 20:02It has left the American workers behind.
- 20:06That is a bit rich coming from an investment banker from Wall
- 20:10Street. Wall Street are the ones that
- 20:13drove globalization and they all got filthy rich out of it by
- 20:16financializing the American economy and they did the same in
- 20:20Britain. Mike.
- 20:20So Howard Lutnick in the City of London made out like bandits for
- 20:25the last 30 years, and he has the temerity to then come and
- 20:29pivot and say, oh, this globalization is hurting
- 20:32Americans. It is really unbelievable.
- 20:35These people are absolute shape shifters.
- 20:39Playing psychological games, of course, because that that that
- 20:42sentiment that he's expressed is going to be very, very popular
- 20:44with, with the market base, of course, and, and all the other
- 20:48people that are Trump supporters around the world.
- 20:51And but he doesn't mean a word of it.
- 20:54To to the uninformed and the the the neophytes in terms of
- 20:58politics, economics and geopolitics, that might sound
- 21:01like a good sound bite. Or to JD Vance, you know, people
- 21:04who aren't that well steeped in such things.
- 21:06But to educated people, he's not fooling anybody.
- 21:09Now here he is. This is the thing that really
- 21:11offended Christine Lagarde, we're told.
- 21:14Roll this next one. And what we are here to say is
- 21:18that America First is a different model, one that we
- 21:22encourage other countries to consider, which is that our
- 21:27workers come first. We can have policies that impact
- 21:33our workers. Sovereignty is your borders.
- 21:37You're entitled to have borders. You shouldn't offshore your
- 21:40medicine. You shouldn't offshore your
- 21:43semiconductors. You shouldn't offshore your
- 21:45entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you.
- 21:49You should not be dependent for that, which is fundamental to
- 21:53your sovereignty on any other nation.
- 21:56And if you're going to be dependent on someone, it darn
- 21:59well better be your best allies, OK.
- 22:03And so that is a different way of thinking.
- 22:08And of course, he's absolutely right in what he says there.
- 22:11I can't argue with anything that he said, but of course he is one
- 22:14of the people that's implemented this offshoring policy over the
- 22:17last decades. He is, but you know, if the US
- 22:20is, is so self-sufficient, why do they need to steal a country
- 22:23like Venezuela's oil and go and kidnap the president?
- 22:27I mean, the, the hypocrisy and just the balderdash that's
- 22:31coming out of these people is unprecedented.
- 22:33And then why, why is he, why is the United States need to go and
- 22:36grab Greenland if it's so self-sufficient?
- 22:39And it's on short everything. They haven't on short
- 22:41everything. This is a globalized economy and
- 22:43you really can't get out of the fact that countries need to
- 22:46trade. And then at the same time, he is
- 22:49threatening the Trump administration's threatening
- 22:51punitive tariffs against European countries.
- 22:55So he's instrumentalized the whole purpose of the tariffs and
- 22:59turned it into sanctions. Basically, there's no
- 23:01credibility from any of these people.
- 23:04And we don't know where to start, Howard.
- 23:05Howard Lutnick is a fanatic, is a political fanatic.
- 23:08He is absolutely an Israeli pick.
- 23:11Let's take a look at him for a moment.
- 23:12So who is Howard Lutnick? That is the question.
- 23:16An absolute Israeli lobby pick. And a lot of people are saying,
- 23:20Mike, that he is Trump's handler.
- 23:24You always see Howard Lutnick everywhere Donald Trump goes.
- 23:28He's scanning every word that Trump says to the press.
- 23:31You do you rarely see Trump without Lutnick present.
- 23:34So that's why people are calling the him Trump's handler.
- 23:38And he's just always around, like lurking in the background,
- 23:41these sort of creepy pictures. This is from Air Force One here.
- 23:45He's almost become a mem in his own right here.
- 23:49And that's not the his endless creepy pictures.
- 23:51Here he is again, but you might not be able to see him, but
- 23:54believe it or not, there he is right behind Lindsey Graham.
- 23:58I mean, so this is Trump's handler.
- 24:00So this is basically Israel's eyes and ears in the White House
- 24:04is effectively Howard Lutnick of Cantor Fitzgerald investment
- 24:09banks who coincidentally had offices in the Twin Towers on
- 24:149/11. So among other.
- 24:16But he wasn't there that day. No, he wasn't.
- 24:19He, he was lucky. He I think he was no, I was told
- 24:23to picking or taking his kid to school that morning.
- 24:26So extremely fortunate in that regard.
- 24:29Not everybody was a sadly on 9/11.
- 24:32But the not to change the subject.
- 24:34That's something people need to pay attention to.
- 24:37You know, who is steering Donald Trump, who is Trump's handler.
- 24:41And we believe, a lot of people now believe it's Howard Lutnick,
- 24:44and it's kind of becoming obvious at this point.
- 24:47OK, thank you for that, Patrick. OK, let's move on then.
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- 26:00north, then there's going to be a digital ID meeting taking
- 26:03place at the Chamberlain Square at 1:00 PM on Saturday at
- 26:08Birmingham Square, Birmingham. Sorry, Chamberlain Square,
- 26:11Birmingham. So join for that if you can as
- 26:13well. OK, let's move on then to the
- 26:17Board of Peace. And of course, yesterday at
- 26:21Davos, Trump, well, he's, he announced it or he formally
- 26:26formalized it and signed the document and created the Board
- 26:30of Peace formally. This, of course, is to remind
- 26:33you of the technocratic corporate body, which he clearly
- 26:36envisages is going to replace the United Nations to some
- 26:39extent. Now, his son-in-law and special
- 26:42advisor, Jared Kushner unveiled a $30 billion plan for
- 26:47rebuilding Gaza. And he was talking about amazing
- 26:51investment opportunities so we can all buy shares in that.
- 26:56The plan, he said, was going to begin with rebuilding the
- 26:59southern city of Rafa within as little as two to three years.
- 27:02And well, let's just get an idea of how this was presented.
- 27:10So quickly I'll go through this 2 year war, 90,000 tons of
- 27:13munitions, there's over 60 million tons of rubble there and
- 27:1710s of thousands of fatalities. So on the aid I mentioned the
- 27:21UN. So now people are talking about
- 27:23famine, 100% of the, of the, of the food needs are are met and
- 27:27that's been over abundance. The the cost of goods have gone
- 27:30down tremendously. Over 55,000 trucks have gone in
- 27:34and over 1.4 million pallets. So it's been the largest
- 27:37humanitarian effort done into a war zone that anyone's been able
- 27:41to tell us about. This really has been a great
- 27:42joint effort that everyone's been able to do and and so it's
- 27:46a great thing. So first of all, Patrick, do you
- 27:50buy that this claim that 100% of of Gazan's food needs are met,
- 27:55that this is the greatest humanitarian effort going into
- 27:59and you notice he used the term war zone when in fact this in
- 28:02fact is a genocide. So you know, what are your
- 28:05thoughts on on his comments? He's absolutely lying.
- 28:08He's lying right to the camera, he's lying to the world.
- 28:10But these people have proven that they don't have really have
- 28:13any conscious left when it comes to this area.
- 28:17Besides being the president's son-in-law, the president in
- 28:19law, he's also lifetime close friends with the Netanyahu
- 28:23family. This is the last person you want
- 28:26running point on such a a gaudy project.
- 28:29And the problem, Mike, here is like the Abraham Accords, this
- 28:33maneuver by Kushner basically leaves out any dialogue with the
- 28:39Palestine, the native Palestinian population.
- 28:42And that's why the Abraham Accords failed.
- 28:45And that's why this is going to fail, because they haven't
- 28:47learned a lesson from the past. Well, I mean, I, I don't know
- 28:50how you can be right about that because it was all about the, it
- 28:52was license lines as we saw there.
- 28:54But he went, he went on to talk about the rebuilding and we've
- 28:58got to be very clear because he was very clear that this was all
- 29:02about the aspirations of the people of Gaza and nothing else.
- 29:05Let's just have a listen. Rothful, we'll start with this
- 29:09will show a lot of workforce housing.
- 29:11We think this could be done in 2-3 years.
- 29:12We've already started removing the rubble and doing some of the
- 29:15demolition. And then new Gaza, it could be a
- 29:17hope, It could be a destination, have a lot of industry and
- 29:20really be a place that that the people there can thrive, have
- 29:22great employment. Once this starts going, we think
- 29:25there should be 100% full employment and opportunity for
- 29:27everybody there. And we have a lot of data on
- 29:30what can be. But we think that this really
- 29:32gives the Gazan people an opportunity to to live their
- 29:34aspiration. So it's not it's an opportunity
- 29:38for the Gazan people to live their aspirations.
- 29:40But as you're as you say, he's never spoken to any Gazan, so
- 29:44how does he know what their aspirations are?
- 29:46Just be clear, everybody, Jared Kushner, the Trump
- 29:50administration, Steve Witkoff, the Israelis, Netanyahu, they
- 29:54have no intention of allowing any Palestinians to live in
- 29:59those pictures, which they are imagining they're going to build
- 30:02in Gaza. They're going to continue to
- 30:04push them out. When he says three years, he
- 30:07means what every Israeli parliamentarian and ministerial
- 30:11head have said and all the Hawks in Israel.
- 30:13We need to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza.
- 30:18We need to exterminate them. They say we need to push them
- 30:21out. We need to ethnically cleanse
- 30:22them. And whoever is left are going to
- 30:24be killed, quite frankly. And they'll, they'll have
- 30:27hopefully they in their mind, some cheap labor by Palestinians
- 30:31would still push into camps, into like concentration camps or
- 30:35labor housing or labor camps. And they'll, they believe that
- 30:38they'll voluntarily or want to rebuild Gaza as a new Dubai for
- 30:44foreigners with tons of money and for Israelis to move in and
- 30:48Americans. And they believe that somehow
- 30:50that Palestinians are going to be OK with building this new
- 30:53Dubai on top of the dead bodies and remains of potentially
- 30:57hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, including women
- 31:01and children. That's basically the gaudy,
- 31:04audacious move that's going on here.
- 31:07And you know, Mike, it's going to fail for a number of reasons
- 31:10which I could talk about afterwards, but.
- 31:12Well, we'll talk about that in Extra.
- 31:14But then Kushner went on to say that the plan assumes that Hamas
- 31:18has agreed to demilitarize. So let's see what he said on
- 31:21that point. So demilitarization, this is
- 31:25something we're starting now. We have a new government in
- 31:27Gaza. This government will be working
- 31:29with Hamas on the demilitarization to really take
- 31:32the principles that were agreed to in the document to the next
- 31:34phase, and hopefully that will be successful.
- 31:37Without that, we can't rebuild. So if Hamas does not
- 31:40demilitarize, that will be what holds back Gaza and the people
- 31:43of Gaza from achieving their aspiration.
- 31:47So, again, more aspirations there.
- 31:49He went on to say that Hamas had signed a deal to demilitarize.
- 31:53Well, that's the first I've heard about that.
- 31:55And he then went on to say that that is what that the United
- 31:59States is going to enforce. So he's implying that if there's
- 32:02no demilitarization, that in fact we'll not only see Israeli,
- 32:06direct Israeli activity in Gaza, but we're going to see United
- 32:09States activity in Gaza. That's an absolute lie, what he
- 32:12said there, there is no deal. There's no new government.
- 32:15They haven't. The US and Israel have installed
- 32:18a new government in Gaza. Hamas has not signed anything to
- 32:22disarm. It hasn't happened.
- 32:23So this, the level of lying here and and gaslighting is quite
- 32:29extraordinary. And where, how come our
- 32:32governments and the mainstream media aren't pushing back on
- 32:35this? Not that I'm surprised.
- 32:37Because they basically agree with it.
- 32:39It's, it's really, I mean this, this is really amazing.
- 32:43Well then, then the question is who's in and who's out?
- 32:46And of course, the big question is, is Russia in?
- 32:49Oh, before, before we go to Russia.
- 32:51Yeah. So, so Belgium, they they
- 32:53claimed Belgium was in and Belgian leader just said, whoa,
- 32:56whoa, whoa, we're not in. And they rejected it.
- 32:58So the, the, the Trump administration's making up
- 33:01people, they're, they're telling us people who have joined that
- 33:05haven't never joined. So there's no credibility at all
- 33:08with this. So Belgium's out, Britain's out.
- 33:11Well, we're going to currently, we'll talk about that.
- 33:13Canada's out. It looks like the France is out,
- 33:16Germany's out. Now China has basically said
- 33:20we're looking at it, we're reviewing it.
- 33:22But they said, they warned the Chinese.
- 33:24This has major implications for international law, and Russia
- 33:28has said more or less the same thing, but you have more.
- 33:30On Well, let's have a look at what Putin said because this is
- 33:33what he said yesterday, he said. As for the peace council, yes,
- 33:37we really did receive a personal message from the president of
- 33:40the United States, Donald Trump, inviting us to join a new
- 33:43international body he's setting up.
- 33:45As for whether Russia will take part in this peace council, the
- 33:49Foreign Ministry has been instructed to carefully review
- 33:51the documents we've been sent, same, same as as China at this
- 33:55point. And he said and to consult with
- 33:58our strategic partners. And then he said then here's the
- 34:02main point, whatever process is launched must actually help move
- 34:06things forward, sorry, towards a long term settlement of the
- 34:10Israeli Palestinian conflict based on relevant UN decisions.
- 34:14So in other words, he's very clear this is not going to
- 34:16replace the United Nations. And all the resolutions that
- 34:19have ruled on Palestine, OK, dozens of them.
- 34:22Yeah, but he ended his comments with a bit of a Barb because he
- 34:25said so. Even before we decide whether to
- 34:27formally take part in the Peace Council, we could, I believe
- 34:30send 1 billion U.S. dollars to the council were frozen under
- 34:33the previous US administration. So that's that's pretty clear.
- 34:38But then finally, Britain's position as expressed by our
- 34:42wonderful Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper.
- 34:44Let's have a listen we. Want to be part?
- 34:48Of the second phase of the peace plan for Gaza, we've strongly
- 34:53supported the 20 point plan. We won't be one of the
- 34:57signatories for what is a a legally binding treaty today
- 35:01that raises other constitutional issues, but also are concerned
- 35:05about suggestions that President Putin might be part of this
- 35:09because, frankly, we need pressure on President Putin to
- 35:13deliver peace in Ukraine, which so far he is refusing to do.
- 35:19So Britain not wanting to. Get in So Britain's not going to
- 35:22join the. New Doral on the Med Country
- 35:25Club with the $1 billion joining fee.
- 35:28That's it's the Golf Club model and he wants to franchise it to
- 35:31other conflict zones around the world.
- 35:33Maybe we don't have a billion dollars to give.
- 35:35I don't know. But anyway, OK, look, let's move
- 35:38on then because over the last couple of weeks we have been
- 35:41talking quite a bit about ICE and the immigration situation in
- 35:45the United States and the way that ICE is behaving as a
- 35:47federal agency. What have you got on this,
- 35:50Patrick? I had the pleasure of sitting.
- 35:52Down recently, Mike and talking to the founder and director of
- 35:56Mint Press news in the United States, Minar Adley.
- 35:59A lot of people are familiar with Mint Press and she she's
- 36:03been very busy covering this invasion in Minneapolis.
- 36:06She's based in Minneapolis. As luck would have it, the story
- 36:09came to her and her team are there and they've been covering
- 36:12it doing an incredible job. This is a a very moving and
- 36:15powerful discussion, a part of that discussion I had with Minar
- 36:19just yesterday, Minar Addley. And we're going to, we're going
- 36:22to play this now and we'll come back with more details on this
- 36:25story in just a few minutes. Well, it's.
- 36:28Really just a horrific. Scene here on the streets of
- 36:31Minneapolis. Trump has unleashed his Gestapo
- 36:35federal agents onto our city here and what we would describe
- 36:39accurately as an ICE invasion. We're witnessing massive and
- 36:45horrific domestic police repression.
- 36:48I mean, for whatever it's worth, whatever police state we have
- 36:51witnessed in the past, we are seeing it put on steroids right
- 36:55here in Minneapolis with these domestic police, federal agents
- 37:01that are going literally door to door and walking up to people
- 37:04asking them to show them their papers to prove their
- 37:07citizenship. I mean, this is unlike anything
- 37:10that we've seen before here in the US, at least not in my time
- 37:14in my generation. I was born and raised here in
- 37:17Minneapolis, and this is the first time I've heard or seen
- 37:20anything like this in the United States.
- 37:24Right now we have over, not even a minimum, but over 2000,
- 37:27perhaps 3000 federal agents with ICE that are here on the ground
- 37:33supposedly targeting, you know, criminals, undocumented
- 37:37immigrants. But the truth is is that they
- 37:40are kidnapping and abducting in many.
- 37:45Cases American. Citizens, we just saw them, you
- 37:48know, live with Jonathan Ross, the federal ICE agent, shooting
- 37:52an American citizen, Renee Good, on the streets of Minneapolis.
- 37:56And they are kidnapping and abducting immigrants that have
- 38:01lived here for decades who might be, who might have work visas,
- 38:05who might be here on refugee status.
- 38:07And they're very specifically targeting brown people.
- 38:12I mean, they're not targeting like Ukrainians, for example, or
- 38:15Irish immigrants that are living here.
- 38:18Minneapolis holds the largest refugee population from the
- 38:22Somali community. And many of these people are
- 38:25here because the United States history is, you know, operating
- 38:30its War on Terror in their country for decades has
- 38:34destroyed their country. And so they get refugee status.
- 38:38And many people are, many of the Somalis are here.
- 38:41Many of them are American citizens.
- 38:44And just to share a a story, I mean my friend Segundo, a good
- 38:48friend of mine, his name is Segundo.
- 38:49He's from Ecuador and his wife Maria were on their way to
- 38:53church about a month and a half ago.
- 38:55They are Ecuadorian immigrants on a work visa here with their
- 38:58eight-year old son in their car. And they were abducted or the
- 39:03husband Segundo was abducted in his car as they were pulling up
- 39:08to their church to go to church. These are law abiding people.
- 39:12And just how devastating and traumatic for that wife and for
- 39:17their son to witness ICE federal agents pull up, surround their
- 39:22vehicle with their masks on, burying their guns, pulling
- 39:25Segundo out of his car. He didn't even get to say
- 39:29goodbye to his family and his wife and his son are just
- 39:33looking at what's happening to their father, to their to her
- 39:36husband. An absolute horror.
- 39:39And he disappeared for over 2 weeks.
- 39:41They had no idea where Ice had taken him.
- 39:43They didn't hear anything from him.
- 39:45And several weeks later, Segundo finally called them from a
- 39:49holding center and I believe it was in Texas to let them know
- 39:53that he was being deported back to to Ecuador, where he was from
- 39:59originally from. But as you know, Ecuador as well
- 40:03as a nation that has been completely destroyed by U.S.
- 40:06economic policies and that country is strife with crime and
- 40:10corruption. And Segundo and his wife, Maria,
- 40:14and their eight-year old son, they have another daughter here
- 40:16who's going to college. They've now been separated from
- 40:19their families, from their dad. And this is the story of so many
- 40:24of these people that are being abducted and taken.
- 40:29By ICE, they're being kidnapped, they're being disappeared.
- 40:31And in many cases, the people that they're kidnapping are not
- 40:35even being sent to their home, you know, their home country.
- 40:38They're being sent to a prison holding cell in El Salvador.
- 40:42And a lot of times these people have committed no crimes.
- 40:46And so for Trump to go on this rampage to send in these federal
- 40:50agents and its crackdown against, you know, criminals and
- 40:55illegal immigration, this is clearly rooted in white
- 40:59supremacy and racism. Because as they abducted Segundo
- 41:04in that church parking lot, he was on his way to church right
- 41:08now. Nikima Levy Armstrong was just
- 41:13arrested by the DOJ because she LED a protest in a church here
- 41:18in St. Paul, MN.
- 41:20By the way, she is a reverend herself, OK?
- 41:24And she is a civil rights attorney, an African American
- 41:29sister who led a protest inside the Saint Paul church against a
- 41:34pastor who's also the regional director of ICE.
- 41:38And she was arrested for disrupting a church service.
- 41:42And the right, right now, the far right is going absolutely
- 41:46insane saying that she went too far by disrupting, you know,
- 41:51Christians, right, to be, you know, sitting in their service
- 41:55peacefully without being disrupted while they are
- 42:00literally abducting other Christians who just happened to
- 42:03be brown skinned and Hispanic and Latino.
- 42:06And that's OK. Segundo was abducted in a church
- 42:09parking lot and he was sent back and, you know, completely
- 42:13terrorizing his family. And now they just arrested
- 42:17Nikima because she LED that protest inside of a church.
- 42:21And they're quoting the Bible. That's what they're doing.
- 42:24They're quoting the Bible. People on the far right are
- 42:26quoting the Bible like this isn't Christianity.
- 42:29Well, what's not Christianity is prevent is, is having an ice
- 42:34pasture connected with ice terrorizing our communities.
- 42:39And many times they're also Christian, just like Segundo's
- 42:41story. And you know, that story's on my
- 42:43mind, Patrick, because it's a good friend of mine.
- 42:45Every single person here in Minneapolis knows somebody who
- 42:48has been kidnapped and deported by ICE.
- 42:50And something that's really interesting that interesting
- 42:53that has happened is that ICE federal agents have actually
- 42:57stopped off duty police officers here in Minneapolis and asked
- 43:01them to show them their papers. And this has triggered the
- 43:06police departments to kind of say like, what is going on?
- 43:11And this is not OK, you've gone too far.
- 43:14Because now they're seeing that it's it's affecting even their
- 43:17off duty police officers. And there's just one story where
- 43:20one of the police officers from the city of Brooklyn Park was
- 43:23stopped. And I believe she was Latina,
- 43:27you know, American Latina, And she was off duty.
- 43:30She was just in her regular clothes.
- 43:32And a federal ICE agent stopped her and asked her to show her
- 43:34her papers. Well, most people don't walk
- 43:36around with their birth certificate or their passport.
- 43:39Like, that's like, not a thing. And so she didn't have anything
- 43:43to show him except for her driver's license.
- 43:46And she pulled out the camera to start recording her because
- 43:50recording him because he became aggressive with her and he
- 43:54actually knocked that phone out of her hand and detained her.
- 43:58And so this is a perfect example of how for.
- 44:02Even for those who might support.
- 44:04What ICE is doing in this, you know, their so-called crackdown,
- 44:08it's not just going to affect immigrants or undocumented
- 44:12immigrants or people who are here as residents or, you know,
- 44:15visas. It's going to affect U.S.
- 44:18citizens. And we already saw that from the
- 44:20first day when a few weeks ago Renee Goode was killed.
- 44:25She was shot by a federal agent. And they are being extremely
- 44:30aggressive, extremely aggressive.
- 44:32And this is absolutely overreach.
- 44:35And it's really scary for people who are living here.
- 44:38There are many people who are afraid to leave their house in
- 44:42the state of Minnesota. Even American citizens now feel
- 44:46that they're afraid to leave their house because they don't
- 44:48want to be detained by ICE. So yesterday I went actually to
- 44:52the Somali Mall to join a press conference.
- 44:56Literally one block down from US, ICE had abducted two
- 45:02teenagers, slammed them to the ground on the ice here because
- 45:06it is very cold here in Minneapolis.
- 45:09It's like -10°. Today they slammed them both on
- 45:11on ice. We have video footage of this.
- 45:37None. Great reporting by Men Press.
- 45:54News that's Menorah Addley she's an award-winning journalist and
- 45:58I would say in terms of independent media men press is
- 46:01probably one of the best organizations in the world and
- 46:05has been been like that really for like over 10 years.
- 46:08So she's an incredible reporter and that's just a few she
- 46:12provide me with a lot of footage, Mike.
- 46:14And that was there was stuff even more shocking than what we
- 46:18showed there. I mean, that was pretty light.
- 46:20But you know, perhaps we'll you know, we'll there's some other
- 46:23clips from this interview on future programs.
- 46:26But suffice to say, Mike, that's that's about as good of a clear
- 46:31account as you can get on the ground there from Minneapolis.
- 46:34And we'll we'll be getting more like that as well.
- 46:37We'll undoubtedly be talking about.
- 46:38This an extra. Now I want to bring this on
- 46:41screen. This is whistleblower aid.
- 46:42Now. They describe themselves as a
- 46:44pioneering nonprofit legal organization that helps public
- 46:47and private sector workers report and expose wrongdoing.
- 46:51It was founded in 2017, and they say they've supported and
- 46:55advocated for whistleblowers across government.
- 46:57This is in the United States, big tech and other parts of the
- 46:59private sector and so on. Right now, the organization does
- 47:04seem to be primarily funded just for transparency here by
- 47:08individuals. But they have also received in
- 47:10the past funding from the Omadire Network and from
- 47:13Democracy Fund Voice. But foundation funding doesn't
- 47:16seem to be routine for them, though.
- 47:19Now they've published a document, which is a report.
- 47:22So let's bring it on screen by two anonymous whistleblowers.
- 47:26And they say whistleblower is represents 2 anonymous United
- 47:30States government officials disclosing a secretive and a
- 47:33seemingly unconstitutional policy directive.
- 47:35This policy directive authorizes Immigration and Customs
- 47:38Enforcement agents to enter homes and residences without
- 47:41consent in order to conduct arrests and removals without a
- 47:44warrant issued by a federal judge.
- 47:47And it's the without a warrant, but which is the important
- 47:49thing. Now the memo was was dated May
- 47:52the 12th, 2025 and was signed by the then acting ICE Director
- 47:58Todd Lyons. And that was recently determined
- 48:02that the the Constitution and immigration law do not prohibit
- 48:05using administrative warrants to enter, resist to enter a
- 48:09residence. So that's their position.
- 48:11And the memo instructs officers to knock, identify themselves
- 48:15and give occupants a reasonable chance to comply, but allows all
- 48:19necessary and reasonable force if entry is refused.
- 48:22So that's what the memo was alleged to have said.
- 48:25Now, the assistant secretary of Homeland Defense, Tricia
- 48:29McLaughlin, took the X, and she said in every case that DHS uses
- 48:35an administrative warrant to enter a residence, an illegal
- 48:37alien has already had their full due process and final order of
- 48:41removal by a federal immigration judge.
- 48:43That's their claim. The officer also has probable
- 48:46cause. And then the official Homeland
- 48:49Security X account posted that in every case we serve an
- 48:53administrative warrant, there's probable cause and the illegal
- 48:56alien has had full full due process and a final order of
- 48:59removal. So that's the claim from them.
- 49:02But that's strange because according to the whistleblowers,
- 49:05it appears that the acting ICE director has authorized the
- 49:08very, the very conduct, sorry, the very conduct that the DHS in
- 49:122025 legal training materials has called the chief evil
- 49:16against which the wording of the 4th Amendment is directed.
- 49:21Physical entry of the home without consent or a proper
- 49:23warrant and administrative warrant doesn't cut it.
- 49:27But in the meantime, as Patrick was highlighting last week, ICE
- 49:30has become a major employer in the United States with a with
- 49:34apparently no particular restrictions on who can apply.
- 49:37And we should also recall the press release from Homeland
- 49:40Security Secretary Christy Nob last year, which not only
- 49:43removed its restrictions on who could apply, but also all
- 49:47ordered, sorry, offered all kinds of incentives.
- 49:51So it including a maximum $50,000 signing bonus, a student
- 49:56loan repayment and forgiveness opportunity, 25% law enforcement
- 50:00availability, pay uncontrollable overtime for enforcement removal
- 50:06operations, so basically unlimited overtime and enhanced
- 50:10retirement benefits. And Patrick, the question then
- 50:14is where, where is this coming from?
- 50:16Where has it come from? And the source seems to be the
- 50:19Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.
- 50:23And the key objectives in this document include clarifying and
- 50:27expanding ICE authority, removing restrictions on ICE
- 50:31operations, expanding expedited removal, reorganizing
- 50:35immigration functions, pushing for aggressive interior
- 50:38enforcement. This is all the the key features
- 50:42of this. And we're seeing that on the
- 50:44streets of the United States at the moment.
- 50:46And, and, you know, I would just, we're going to talk about
- 50:49this more an extra, but just for those that are sort of saying,
- 50:52well, these people shouldn't be there there anyway and
- 50:55abductions equals arrests. I'm just going to make the point
- 50:59once again, once you start removing the rule of law and you
- 51:03start get working your way around the regulations and the
- 51:07the, the workflows that you're supposed to follow in the US
- 51:11Constitution and the. Constitution you are.
- 51:13In a lawless state, the people that are accepting this because
- 51:17they happen to not like the levels of immigration in a
- 51:20country or because they happen to support the.
- 51:23Current president occupying the White House or party right that
- 51:28powers will be retained. By whoever.
- 51:29It follows follows them in office in fact will get worse.
- 51:32This is a slippery. Slope.
- 51:34It's a direction of travel you've got to be looking at and
- 51:36you've got to be considering where this ends up and, and, and
- 51:39accepting this kind of behavior just because you don't like
- 51:42immigrants is being in your country is not.
- 51:45That's not the way to think about it.
- 51:47Yeah, that's that's a very jingoistic.
- 51:49Xenophobic way of looking at it, Mike.
- 51:51And I will add, when they say illegal aliens, as Minar showed
- 51:55us in her interview, they're not illegal aliens.
- 51:58Some of the people being kidnapped, they're legal.
- 52:00So that shows you right there that there was no due process.
- 52:04And that's why and a lot of civil liberties attorneys now
- 52:06are being flooded, Mike, with this is this is going to the
- 52:10Supreme Court and the 4th Amendment will be upheld on all
- 52:14of these cases because this is just reckless what's going on
- 52:17here. And it's taking the rights away
- 52:19from all Americans, American citizens, not just quote
- 52:22illegals. And that's the sort of short
- 52:25sighted ignorant viewpoint that unfortunately a lot of people
- 52:28have because there is a lot of ignorance out there on this
- 52:32issue. Because people are consuming
- 52:34really low IQ mega media and following bots on social media
- 52:39and being gaslit 24/7 on their favorite channels when in fact
- 52:43there's a real world out there that I should remind people that
- 52:46exists. Absolutely.
- 52:48Okay, where does that take us then?
- 52:50Filtered. Let's let's come back to the UK
- 52:53and the filtered jury. We'll get a quick a quick.
- 52:56Update on this and again, we're going to point to this excellent
- 52:59Instagram channel. He'll free the Filton 24.
- 53:03They've got already 40,000 followers, jury updates.
- 53:06And also I want to give a shout out to this excellent website.
- 53:09If you want a real time like trial summaries from court
- 53:14reporting here, Real media has just done an excellent job here.
- 53:17And you can go down and just Scroll down from each week right
- 53:20down to week #8 on this trial coverage.
- 53:24Now, there's been some delays with regards to what's happening
- 53:28this week. And this is happening over at
- 53:30Willage Crown Court, which is adjacent to Belmarsh Prison.
- 53:32I want to bring Basil Valentine on the line right now.
- 53:35Basil, can you just give us an update?
- 53:37There's been some problems with the jury.
- 53:39Deliberation of major issues have come up.
- 53:43Just fill us in on the details. Basil.
- 53:46Yes, unfortunately. Up to the middle of this week,
- 53:49the jury had had only been able to deliberate the two days out
- 53:53of a possible 7. Now it's worth remembering, of
- 53:56course, the The defendants are held under terrorism
- 54:00legislation, which means that conditions are particularly
- 54:03harsh. They're woken up at 5:00 AM.
- 54:06The women spend around six hours a day travelling in a prison van
- 54:10to and from HMP Bronze Field. The men face extensive security
- 54:16at Belmarsh, where they're X-rayed and strip searched twice
- 54:19a day, and then at court they're held in filthy holding cells
- 54:24with nothing but a bench. They've also been denied food by
- 54:28Serco, the privatised prison supplier, and they aren't
- 54:33allowed to shower because they get back to prison too late.
- 54:36So, as was the case with Julian Assange, the process is very
- 54:41much part of the punishment. Last week, as a result of family
- 54:48commitments, illness amongst members of the jury, the
- 54:52deliberations were cancelled on more than one occasion.
- 54:56It's to be hoped that they can come to conclusions sooner
- 54:59rather than later. Of course, this goes back to why
- 55:03the hunger strikes took place in the 1st place, which was to get
- 55:06bail. Some of these people have been
- 55:09on remand, held in these appalling conditions for two
- 55:12years and the jury may find them guilty of no offence at all.
- 55:18Will they ever get any compensation for two years, not
- 55:21just of imprisonment, but imprisonment in very harsh
- 55:24conditions as terrorists and. Also Basil on.
- 55:29This on this update as well. What about the the timeline on
- 55:34this? We also have the judicial review
- 55:36which is simmering off to the side with regards to the
- 55:40prescription of Palestine action.
- 55:42These two are politically linked.
- 55:44One could influence the other your your thoughts and just
- 55:47briefly, Basil. Well, strictly speaking.
- 55:50The judicial review shouldn't draw its conclusions conclusions
- 55:53entirely from what the jury decide at Bullish Crown Court,
- 55:57although it's likely that it will play a part.
- 56:00The Filton 24 were prosecuted under terrorism legislation in
- 56:04advance of the prescription of Palestine action because the
- 56:07British government wanted to see if it could use terrorism powers
- 56:11to quash people who take direct action against the genocide.
- 56:19Thank you. Very much Basil.
- 56:20Valentine. Now, just briefly, finally,
- 56:22Basil, this is an incredible story.
- 56:25We'll bring this up on screen right now.
- 56:27Israel pays for UK adverts attacking Doctors Without
- 56:32Borders. This is an international charity
- 56:34that provides free medical services in war zones.
- 56:39Explain to us what's happening here.
- 56:41Great report by Declassified UK. Basil, what do you what do you
- 56:45know about this? Well.
- 56:48If you type Medicine Sol Frontier into Google, you'll
- 56:52find a link directly to an Israeli government website which
- 56:57accuses the the organization which does terrific work for
- 57:02gardens. By the way, you can find out
- 57:04about more about what they've been doing over the last few
- 57:07months. It claims that they failed to
- 57:10adequately adequately condemn the war crimes of October the
- 57:147th 2023 and that the pronouncements, public
- 57:19pronouncements have become too politicised, too critical of
- 57:22Israel. At the moment they only have a
- 57:26licence to continue practicing until the 1st of March.
- 57:29After that they may be kicked out.
- 57:31This of course comes after the Israelis demolished the United
- 57:35Nations Relief and Works Agency building in East Jerusalem this
- 57:39week and also denied access to dozens of other humanitarian
- 57:42organisations. So the plan obviously is to
- 57:47punish the Palestinians by denying them healthcare because
- 57:52one of the few organisations have been able to help people
- 57:55injured by Israeli action, of course by gunfire, by shells.
- 58:00Punish the Palestinians because they mentioned some Fontiere.
- 58:05Have the temerity to offer some milk toast criticism of what the
- 58:11Israelis describe as defensive operations.
- 58:15This is really the agenda. Thank you, Basil.
- 58:17This is the agenda, Mike, is to restrict any outsiders going
- 58:20into Gaza, journalists, NGOs, Doctors Without Borders, because
- 58:25of what they'll say to the world about the true or the images
- 58:28they might beam to the world about the true state of affairs
- 58:31in Gaza, which is really been met.
- 58:34We've seen a lot. But that's only a fraction of
- 58:36what we could see if there were major media organizations there.
- 58:40But of course, Israel wouldn't be bombing, would they, if there
- 58:43were BBC crews running around and and ABC and CBS crews
- 58:47running around, right? Very likely they would not be
- 58:51able to, but of course the other thing that they can then do is
- 58:55stand up at a Board of Peace event and make claims about the
- 58:59humanitarian response. Well, in fact, nobody has been
- 59:03in Gaza to see the humanitarian response, so nobody can.
- 59:08Nobody in the mainstream media is going to criticize that
- 59:10comment because they've had nobody there to look.
- 59:12And we saw the Gaza humanitarian.
- 59:14Foundation and what they did with their rap runs.
- 59:17Exactly. And concentration camps.
- 59:19But lastly, my Israel's buying up ads on YouTube and running
- 59:23the worst propaganda you can imagine, demonizing Palestinians
- 59:29and also attacking different people.
- 59:32And even there was a report about Israelis who ran ads to
- 59:37collect donations, pretending to be Palestinian to collect
- 59:42donations for a fake charity for Gaza.
- 59:45So literally running scams trying to take advantage of
- 59:49Palestinian suffering. And YouTube is running these ads
- 59:52and all these social media platforms have a hard time
- 59:54policing this stuff. We have seen so many reports of
- 59:57this since October 7th and it's but of course we have to go back
- 1:00:01to that to. Netanyahu meeting with the
- 1:00:03young, the youth in the United Nations and explaining how they
- 1:00:06were going to be funding thousands of influencers, never
- 1:00:10mind the ads, influencers as well on with, you know, host of
- 1:00:14YouTube channels and so on. And we saw those influencers.
- 1:00:18Mobilized and kicked into action with the Iran riots and they've
- 1:00:23been flooding social media being paid $7000 per post.
- 1:00:28Good work if you can get it anyway.
- 1:00:30It is indeed. Well, look, we have to.
- 1:00:32Leave it there for today. I'm going to say thank you very
- 1:00:34much to Basil and Patrick and for everybody that's watched.
- 1:00:37We'll be back in a few minutes. If you're UK column member for
- 1:00:40some news extra, we'll see you then with Basil Valentine.
- 1:00:43Absolutely. Yes.
- 1:00:45We'll see you then. Thanks for joining.
- 1:00:46US bye bye.