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The Late Debate | 27 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the late debase.
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  Speaker 2: Leave the boxing day test where it is. It could
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  Speaker 2: be an Australian to move it. Good night and welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the pro Good evening and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: I should say now you don't have to readjust your set.
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  Speaker 2: James McPherson is not suddenly far more attractive. You've upgraded
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  Speaker 2: to Cayla Bond for the next few weeks.
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  Speaker 3: That is what everyone was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know he's off filling in for Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Bolt of course do enemy as always is Liz Storer
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  Speaker 2: and technically filling in for me for the next few
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  Speaker 2: weeks is Joe Hildebrow.
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  Speaker 1: James James Mack might not be far more attractive, but
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  Speaker 1: Kayla Bond certainly.
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  Speaker 2: And you know we've got a good look and rooster
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  Speaker 2: like you too, Joe. So we're really up on the
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  Speaker 2: stakes here. Some of the stuff will get into tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We've been given a window into what Australia might look
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  Speaker 2: like under Chinese rule. CCP has told Australian politicians what
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  Speaker 2: events they should and should not go to. The Australian
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  Speaker 2: uncovered more foreign child rapists who've been allowed to stay
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  Speaker 2: in the country thanks to Andrew Giles and wait for it,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest debate ever can you put your rubbish in
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  Speaker 2: other people's bins if yours is full. We'll get into
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  Speaker 2: all of that later on, but of course a question
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  Speaker 2: that's been on your lips and mine and plenty of
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  Speaker 2: others for the last few months. How has antisemitism got
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  Speaker 2: so bad in this country? Well, John Howard, who will
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  Speaker 2: be tomorrow night in a documentary here on Sky News
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  Speaker 2: at seven pm Never Again, The Fight against Antisemitism, which
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  Speaker 2: will of course be hosted by Josh Friedenberg. He says
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it comes down to the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanisi, in the fact that he didn't come out
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  Speaker 2: strongly enough against antisemitism in the early stages of what
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  Speaker 2: has unfurled in this country. Of course, we all know
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  Speaker 2: what happened on October ninth on the steps of the
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House. There was very little response from police
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  Speaker 2: and there was very little response from the federal government.
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  Speaker 2: That kind have sent a message to people that well,
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  Speaker 2: you can do whatever the hell you want, and so
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  Speaker 2: they have. We've had protests in parks and on streets
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  Speaker 2: all over the country almost every weekend ever since twenty thousand,
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  Speaker 2: thirty forty thousand, up to fifty thousand people at any
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  Speaker 2: time coming together to shout slogans like from the River
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  Speaker 2: to the Sea, which thankfully the federal government has spoken
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  Speaker 2: out against only in recent times. And of course we
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  Speaker 2: know that just a week or two ago, Australia, along
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  Speaker 2: with many other nations, voted in favor of recommending to
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations Security Council that Palestine be given a
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  Speaker 2: voice at the UN Will Adam Banded from the Greens
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  Speaker 2: has now decided that he is going to take that
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  Speaker 2: challenge directly to the Labor government to see exactly how
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  Speaker 2: serious they are about making this happen. He put up
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  Speaker 2: on X yesterday. Labour says today they support recognition of Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: We'll move in Parliament next week for Australia to recognize Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Other countries are doing it. Let's see how Labor votes.
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  Speaker 2: It will put them on the spot as to exactly
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  Speaker 2: how serious they are about giving recognition to Palestine and
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  Speaker 2: whether or not they seriously believe in the two states
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  Speaker 2: solution that they keep talking about. But Adam band himself
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  Speaker 2: was on Insiders on the ABC yesterday. He was asked
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  Speaker 2: a very simple question, do you believe that Hamas are terrorists?
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  Speaker 2: And well, for such a simple question, he couldn't exactly
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  Speaker 2: give a simple answer.
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  Speaker 1: You will also agree Hamas is a terrorist organization that
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  Speaker 1: needs to be dismantled. Well, they're listed as a terrorist organization,
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  Speaker 1: and our point is now that the Palestinian civilians cannot
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  Speaker 1: be collectively punished.
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  Speaker 4: Having some trouble saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization, no,
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  Speaker 4: I just said it was.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, part of it, Liz is the leadership
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  Speaker 2: of the federal government. The federal government has flip flopped?
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  Speaker 2: So bad are we? You know, one minute it's yes,
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  Speaker 2: we care about anti Semitism, next minute it's no, we
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  Speaker 2: support mass essentially and.
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  Speaker 1: Said no, I can't say it out that support that.
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  Speaker 5: How else do you explain, Joe the support for a
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  Speaker 5: two state solution. They say, oh, that's that's only if
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  Speaker 5: Hamas aren't in charge.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we all know what's the exactly what's happening here.
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  Speaker 1: Support pretty much every country.
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  Speaker 5: To recognize Palestine as a UN member state. I think
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  Speaker 5: the Babylon b which is their satire, but they often
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  Speaker 5: hit on the dark truth of things. They recently shared
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  Speaker 5: their saying terrorists learn harsh lesson that if you rape
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  Speaker 5: and murder women, the UN will give you your own country
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  Speaker 5: and one billion dollars. This is This is basically what
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  Speaker 5: the UN has done and what Adam Band will be
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  Speaker 5: pushing for our federal government.
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  Speaker 3: To do for normally next week. Now.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think there's anyone on this panel that actually
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  Speaker 5: thinks that's going to be voted on.
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt LABEL will not support Adam b Oh.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to make their stands even more uncomprehensive because
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  Speaker 5: I've had less baked dinners than the amount of time that.
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  Speaker 3: Penny Wong has called for cease.
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  Speaker 1: Visits half faked. These are all different things, right, there's
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  Speaker 1: different These are different things, right. So, firstly, every country
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  Speaker 1: in the world, including Israel's stronger supporter, the US, believes
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  Speaker 1: in a two state solution and has stated its support
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  Speaker 1: for a two state.
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  Speaker 5: Solution, and everyone qu aspiring Neuron knows that there is
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  Speaker 5: no touch thing now.
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  Speaker 1: Question the question is at the moment, there's not that's right,
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  Speaker 1: So it becomes all about timing. The problem with the
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  Speaker 1: UN vote, which I thought was very silly and naive
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  Speaker 1: on Australia's part, not to abstain from is that you
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  Speaker 1: are by voting for that now. And this was not
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  Speaker 1: voting for Palestine to be recognized and to have a
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  Speaker 1: said the UN. This was saying that he qualified that
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  Speaker 1: it met the criteria. Right, so it wasmantic. But that
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  Speaker 1: is different to what Adam But Adam Bant is now
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  Speaker 1: escalating that even higher. Right, So instead of saying, all right, Palestine,
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  Speaker 1: you meet the criteria for sept and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're one more step along the sort of playing board,
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  Speaker 1: if you like, he's saying, no, we recognize you as
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  Speaker 1: a state now, which of course I mean it's it's
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  Speaker 1: rubble than at the moment, like it's not even a
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  Speaker 1: functioning it not, it doesn't have barely a functioning institution
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  Speaker 1: in it, So to recognize it as a state now
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely absurd. But again, everyone with half a brain,
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  Speaker 1: a firing neurine, as you say, once a two state solution.
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  Speaker 1: The question the question.
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  Speaker 3: Solution, Joe, The question is when never.
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  Speaker 1: Question even the Israelitis. Yeah, I said everyone everyone, That's
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  Speaker 1: that's what I said. Hummers has turned it down and
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  Speaker 1: the extremists have turned it down. But everyone with a
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  Speaker 1: in the international community and supported including Israel. Israel has
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  Speaker 1: put forward proposals two.
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  Speaker 5: Stations, haven't the polling shoes Seventy five percent of Palestinians
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  Speaker 5: totally back the horrors that happened.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's why we're not giving the one star.
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  Speaker 1: It's meant to be a two state solution. That is
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  Speaker 1: the whole point. We are not giving the palaces everything
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  Speaker 1: they want. They wanted from the river to the sea,
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  Speaker 1: two state.
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  Speaker 5: Solutional scale as being their own body. Twistan is already
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  Speaker 5: leagues ahead here.
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  Speaker 1: So you're supporting Israel from the river to the sea, now, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, But a two state solution relies on the idea
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  Speaker 2: that you have two outfits both coming to the table.
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  Speaker 1: That's allowed to do it. Now, that's exactly what I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's never going to happen because Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: So it's never going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Ageration Palace, that's not what they want.
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  Speaker 1: It can't happen till you get rid of her mass obviously,
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  Speaker 1: and that is going to.
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  Speaker 2: But we can't go into Raca or do anything to
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  Speaker 2: actually try and get rid of this is never going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Well, if you, if it is to be
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  Speaker 2: believed that Israel cannot continue its incursion into the area,
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  Speaker 2: then how do you ever get rid of Hamas to
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  Speaker 2: achieve that?
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what obviously you Okay, so you don't
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  Speaker 1: support Minister Bowen's call that the.
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  Speaker 3: Ground invasion in Rappa must stop.
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  Speaker 1: Think there is clearly there is clearly a question. And
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  Speaker 1: again this includes you know, the killing of Australian aid
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  Speaker 1: workers and international aid workers. There's clearly a question. And
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  Speaker 1: this is happening within Israel as well. I know people
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  Speaker 1: in Israel who are very, very concerned about this and
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Yahu does not appear to have a
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  Speaker 1: political strategy to back up his military tactics, and I
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  Speaker 1: think his Defense min is with one of those people.
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  Speaker 1: So the point is, firstly, do you say, do you say,
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  Speaker 1: all right, where we want to get to eventually is
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  Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine living in some form of peaceful coexistence, right,
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  Speaker 1: two states by our Well that's right. Well, if you're
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  Speaker 1: saying it's never going to happen and that's it, we
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  Speaker 1: might have Well let's okay, fine, look just white Palestine
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  Speaker 1: from the map, just like that, what Israel white from
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  Speaker 1: the map? If you're saying it's never going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: Then why are we even having this develop It.
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  Speaker 5: Would have already happened were it not for the Palestinians
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  Speaker 5: turning it down.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, if it's never going to happen, so Israel
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  Speaker 1: just wipes out Palestine.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted they turned that down because they I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know that I've been there, I've seen all I've
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  Speaker 1: seen every single map of every single thing that they've offered.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is the Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: should be made to accept, one way or another, a two
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  Speaker 1: state solution and Israel's right to exist. If it is
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  Speaker 1: a different thing to say, Oh, they're never going to
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  Speaker 1: do that, so we're just going to wipe them out.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but see that the beginning of such a high
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  Speaker 5: pie in the sky possibility is the elimination of Hamas,
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  Speaker 5: which is exactly what the Israelis are trying to achieve
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  Speaker 5: and what Minister Bowen just can't understand.
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  Speaker 3: He tweeted today.
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  Speaker 5: Boohoo for me, this is defamatory that people are claiming
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  Speaker 5: that I said that Israel should stop their action in Rafa.
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  Speaker 3: Check out his tweet.
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  Speaker 5: I support international law and I oppose an Israeli ground
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  Speaker 5: offensive into Raffa. This is also the position of the
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  Speaker 5: Australian government. Yeah we know, mate, This headline by News
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  Speaker 5: Limited is offensive, inaccurate and defamatory, especially to the people
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  Speaker 5: of Raffa who deserve protection.
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  Speaker 3: The people of Raffa are not Hamas.
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  Speaker 5: Again, i'd point you to the seventy five percent of
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  Speaker 5: Palestinian support Hamas.
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  Speaker 3: But never mind Bowen.
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  Speaker 5: And here is the offending headline that Bowen is boohooing
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  Speaker 5: about Bowen, we must protect Hamas.
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  Speaker 3: Australia has backed.
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  Speaker 5: An International Court of Justice ruling that Israel must cease
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  Speaker 5: its offensive against the last Hamas holdout in Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: So there you have it.
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  Speaker 5: This government is once again just saying Israel stop it.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile supporting the UNS every call for ceasefire and recognizing
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  Speaker 5: Palestine as it is I think as an appropriate member
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  Speaker 5: to joined the UN.
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  Speaker 2: But this is why the vote that will be put
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  Speaker 2: up by Adam Band actually does mean something. It's essentially
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  Speaker 2: putting the government on the spot and saying how serious
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  Speaker 2: are you about your support for Palestine, and given that
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  Speaker 2: they have already voted at the UN to accept the
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  Speaker 2: proposition of Palestine being admitted as a nation on the
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  Speaker 2: UN and having a vote. They have by some degree
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  Speaker 2: given their support to Palestine as a nation, So why
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  Speaker 2: would they then not just extend that to a vote
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  Speaker 2: in the parliament. If that's what they truly believe, why would.
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  Speaker 1: They do There's a difference between saying we support Palestine
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  Speaker 1: becoming a nation and saying we recognize Palestine as a nation.
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  Speaker 1: We all understand that, right.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but you've laid the groundwork. You're saying this is
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  Speaker 2: what we want to happen at the right.
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  Speaker 1: So is the US. This is what everyone has said.
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  Speaker 1: The problem with what happened at the UN is that
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  Speaker 1: it happened six months after the October seven terrorist attacks,
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  Speaker 1: So it looks like a reward for that. Such a problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I said it's a problem. It is everyone
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  Speaker 1: long term, everyone is expecting and wanting. Everyone again with
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  Speaker 1: half a brain and part from the extremists on either side,
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  Speaker 1: is expecting and wanting and working towards a two state solution.
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  Speaker 1: That is not controversial.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of the activists, particularly here in this country,
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  Speaker 2: keep shouting things like from the rich the scene, that's
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  Speaker 2: why we shouldn't be like I believe that there should
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  Speaker 2: not be an Israel, there should only be a Palestinian nation.
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  Speaker 2: And we see this time and time again. And there
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  Speaker 2: was an event recently hosted by the AJAA, the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Association online that included speakers such as John Anderson,
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  Speaker 2: the former Deputy Prime Minister, and the activists of course
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  Speaker 2: could not pass up the opportunity to gate crash even
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  Speaker 2: an online event and throw forward all sorts of vile abuse,
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  Speaker 2: to dress up with their faces with the kefiir over them,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Of course, these people all gutlass didn't show
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  Speaker 2: their faces. The one as you can see in that
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  Speaker 2: image there is wearing a kefia. Another one who you're
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  Speaker 2: about to hear in a clip didn't show his face
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  Speaker 2: at all and pretended his name was Tony Abbott. This
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  Speaker 2: is what happens when you don't get strong leadership to
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  Speaker 2: snuff this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Out, religion and beliefs and.
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  Speaker 5: Well, ah can you show you mouth?
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  Speaker 1: Old stop this one has to go now.
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  Speaker 2: These people were also behind those encampments that we've seen
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  Speaker 2: across the universities recently. I mean, no wonder they feel
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  Speaker 2: like they can rock up and do this stuff is
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  Speaker 2: because they have basically been allowed to. And here we
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  Speaker 2: are eight nine months in to since and we're saying,
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  Speaker 2: we're saying, oh, finals we're going to have hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 3: And this meeting wasn't even about Israel.
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  Speaker 5: It was about Australia's foreign and domestic policy. So these
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  Speaker 5: guys are just trying to have a powow about that.
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  Speaker 5: This group, it's called the U said Muslim Encampments group
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  Speaker 5: organize this zoom bombing, so they let their guys know
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  Speaker 5: this is what we're doing. Everyone follow your instructions to
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  Speaker 5: the letter for maximum punch. People can't even have an
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  Speaker 5: unrelated meeting. But now because it involves Jewish people, these
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  Speaker 5: guys are looking to side.
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  Speaker 1: It's outrageous. I've time counted them myself. On Friday, I
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  Speaker 1: was at an event in Western City at a course
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  Speaker 1: stadium that was about providing housing and infrastructure for Western City,
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  Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to do with the Israel Palestin conflict.
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  Speaker 1: And of course there's protesters outside screaming, screaming at people
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  Speaker 1: as they went in, screaming as me as I was in.
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  Speaker 1: Of course they're all waiting to scream at the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister as he went in, which is why they were
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  Speaker 1: there because they think he's a supporter of Zionus genocide.
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  Speaker 1: So again, oh wow, and they've been out, they've been city,
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  Speaker 1: they've been camp outside his electorate office for months. So
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  Speaker 1: again these people are.
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  Speaker 5: They don't even know he's on side. It's totally on side.
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  Speaker 5: Check out this graph. This is American universities. I believe
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  Speaker 5: it was the Washington Post or similar put this together
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  Speaker 5: and you can see they're the direct correlation between those
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  Speaker 5: green dots where the encampments are and the university campuses
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  Speaker 5: of America with the higher tuition and fees. So the
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  Speaker 5: more expensive the UNI, the more these encampments are amongst them.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about luxury beliefs.
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  Speaker 5: I do wonder how much of this is simply an
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  Speaker 5: upper class pastime because they're obviously the rich kids, and
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  Speaker 5: how much of it also has to do with the activists,
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  Speaker 5: because we know a lot of the people who organize
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  Speaker 5: these encampments aren't necessarily the students themselves. They're not even alumni,
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  Speaker 5: but they are coming onto campus to stir the pot
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  Speaker 5: and to keep the kids organized. How much these more
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  Speaker 5: elite universities have been targeted to buy these movements because
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  Speaker 5: we know from such universities come the leaders of the future,
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  Speaker 5: and if we can get them in the bag now,
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  Speaker 5: they'll be ours free.
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  Speaker 1: They're not targeting them, then they are homegrown. Socialism is
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  Speaker 1: an upper middle class pursuit. It is, it has been
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  Speaker 1: since it was invented. Karl Marx I believe his family
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  Speaker 1: owned vineyards. Frederick Engel's family actually own factories. They were
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  Speaker 1: actual factory owners, right again. And you look at you know,
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  Speaker 1: whereas all the hot spots been in Australia, They've been
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  Speaker 1: in the three most prestigious universities Sydney University, Melbourne University,
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  Speaker 1: Australia National University. Genuine poor people are not socialists. They've
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  Speaker 1: got no wealth to redistribute. They're not reading marks and angles.
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  Speaker 1: They just want to get ahead in life. They want
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: to pay the bills. They usually want to get out
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  Speaker 1: of the crap that they were brought into, or the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: some of they were born into. Never ran, of course,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: said it best. The whole point of being working classes.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get out and don't romanticize the poverty.
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  Speaker 2: The students have got something else to worry about. But
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  Speaker 2: you know what annoys me so much is, once upon
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a time, all these lifty students that university. We're actually
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  Speaker 2: fighting for things that mattered, like free speech and freedom
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  Speaker 2: of expression. Back in your day, that's the kind of
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: thing that you would have been carrying on about job.
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  Speaker 2: But of course now we have university students going out
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  Speaker 2: to protest for I don't know, subjugating gay people in
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Gaza and all sorts of stuff. They have moved because
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: they have become the elite. They used to fight the elite.
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  Speaker 2: Now they are the elite. The left is the elite,
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  Speaker 2: so they've got nothing left to really complain about. They
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  Speaker 2: are running the show. There's nothing to rebel against. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: they're going the whole hog and saying, well, we've taken
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: over and the systems that built this country now, colonialism
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and all the rest. That is what we have an
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: issue with, which is why they sympathize with a mob
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  Speaker 2: like Hamas over in Palestine, even though if they try
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: to spend five minutes in the joint they'd be shot
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: in the head. It doesn't matter because the core belief,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: which is that there is some sort of terrible colonial
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: power trying to take over, is what they believe. It
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the belief is cloaked in they'll jump
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: on it every single time.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: And because there's been so little pushback from campus leaders,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: because there's been so little vehement, proper strong arm pushback
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: from government, state or federal, I would argue, this is
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: the kind of thing that we are now happening seeing
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: happen in one of the world's leading Jewish schools. It's
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: right here in Australia. It's called Mount Scopus in Burwood.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Their campus was defiled with anti Semitic graffiti on the
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: very front gate. Someone graffiti Youde written in black spray paint.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Of course, Albanesi did then dust off the microphone and
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: say what he keeps saying, talking out the other side.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: Of his mouth, it is no place for anti Semitism.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: I think Dan's right that we need to be as
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: a country mature enough to be able to have a
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: debate about what's going on over to allow people to
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: have their completely legitimate right to express their views about
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: what's happening overseas, but to do that in a way
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: which does not challenge our own social cohesion.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Sorry, that was an elbow, of course, that was Richard Miles.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: They keep using this line, there's no place, there's no place.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: There's no place for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: This, and yet with every second tweet from this government
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: and all their support at the UN State councils, well,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: it seems like you have created a place for it,
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: haven't you, because you certainly haven't created a place for
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: a lot of social cohesion around this particular issue. Melbourn
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Easy tweeted the same, there's no place for this.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: That seems to be their line.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: The frustration for anyone paying attention is they themselves are
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: creating a place for this. They have not had a
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: comprehensive stance on it, even since the October seventh massacres.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Even their front bench is divided on it. They keep
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: talking out of both sides of their mouth, and then
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: when something like this happens, they say, oh, oh no, no, no,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: there's no place for them.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And the government has sort of tried in vain in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks to seem like they are
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: doing something, but it's very Johnny come lately, right. There
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: was a motion put up that was supported by Labor
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to say that from the river to the sea was
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: basically a chance for genocide. Of course that didn't stop.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: A couple of days earlier, a member of this of
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Labor in the Senate saying exactly that on the floor
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Senate, but that motion was brought by Labor in direct I.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Know, I how does a member of the Labor party
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable saying that on the floor of the Senate
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in the first place?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: That then required That was absolutely appalling. And there was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a new South Wales MP who's also said some similarly
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: stupid correct yeah prap, and he's been putting his box
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: by Premier Christians. And again you will have people in
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the party from time to time who say incredibly stupid things.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'd love to root the ball out if I could,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: but sadly that's not always possible. But the point is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that the leadership has every single time completely rebuked them,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: put them in their box, even put it to a vote,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: so they'll put in their box. Anthony Abernezi has come
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: out personally and said from the River to the Sea
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is not appropriate. He's effectively a core for inside and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: wiping out the Israeli States. So again I think you've
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: got to give you know, when he does say the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: right thing, if you want to have a go at him,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: if he's being being equivocal, fine, But when he actually
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: does come out and do the right thing. When Labor
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: comes out and does the right thing, you've got to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: give him some credit.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Chi While their actions totally defy absolutely everything that they're saying,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: of course they're going to be like, oh, there's been graffiti.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: On a leading Jewish school in Australia.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: There's no place for this.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Every second thing that they say supports this kind of move.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: By supporting Palestine, these protesters feel emboldened.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: They feel like their cause is back.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: There is a difference between having a debate about how
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: intensive the Jewish the Israeli sorry response to October seven
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: should be and deserves to be. And I think you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: can understand anyone who's Jewish or Israeli would obviously think
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: would be forgiven for things right. I just want to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: just wipe every one of these barceds from the face
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of the planet. But again, I think there is you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: can say. Listen, October the seventh was outrageous, that was indefensible.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Israel has to be able to defend itself. Israel has
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to be able to take out how much thank.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: You was What you just said is far more than
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: this government has said.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And this is the stuff we should have heard right
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: from the beginning and we wouldn't be in this position.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And Josh Frodenberg, much longer tenor of what we've been
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: talking about tonight, says a lot of this has come
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: down to a failure in leadership.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: I think there's been a comprehensive failure of leadership across
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: the board here in Australia to protect the Jewish community.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: This is their fundamental duty of leaders to protect us
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: and they're failed to do that. They've been found wanting
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: and I think they should hold their heads in shame.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And of course Josh Frodenberg's documentary Never Again, the Fight
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Against Anti Semitism will be here on Sky News at
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: seven pm tomorrow night. Do not miss it. Let's move
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: on to some of the other news of the day,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and we found out today that there is a growing
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: number of foreigners who have committed serious crimes in this country.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: In this particular case, a child rapist allegedly his own stepdaughter,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: no less, while his partner was giving birth. This man
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was allowed to stay in the country due to a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: decision of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal on the basis of
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a directive sent down from the Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. Now,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: how this all began was essentially back in twenty twenty
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: when Jasinda r Dun was running again for Prime Minister
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand. She fronted up for a press conference
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: next to Scott Morrison, where she complained about the number
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of criminal New Zealanders who were being sent back to
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: her country. She said, too many of these buggers. They've
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: lived in Australia almost all their lives. You're using New
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Zealand as a dumping ground now. Of course, none of
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: these people are citizens of Australia. They may have lived
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: here for twenty years, they may have lived here for
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: thirty years, but they are citizens of New Zealand. They
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: have come to Australia at some point, they have committed
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: crimes in this country, and then the government has exercised
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: its right to deport them back whence they came. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: New Zealand said no, they live in your country even
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: though they're not citizens, so they should remain there. Scott
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Morrison stayed strong and did not change the law. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: once Anthony Albanezi came in, he said, well maybe we
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: can take a look at this now. Of course, to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Sinda Ardern is long gone from the Prime ministership in
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: New Zealand, but Andrew Giles in January of last year
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: sent down Directive number ninety nine which said that people
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: who have been in this country for a long period
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of time, even if they are not citizens, should be
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to deportation.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So now did Industrative Appeals Tribunal says when we have
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: these cases come to us, what are we meant to do?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: We have to follow Direction ninety nine sent down by
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Andrew Giles. Now I could not get over the words
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of Richard Miles today who was trying to spin this
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: as though the government has tried to get rid of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the bloke and it was actually the Administrative Appeals Tribunal
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that has done them over.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: This was overturning a decision of the government. And secondly,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: the decision that was taken was one that was taken
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: by an independent tribunal.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Now, hang on a minute. So the government wanted to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: have the guide deported. Okay, we get that bit, But
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the government also sent down a directive that the Administrative
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal has to adhere to that says the man
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be deported. Of course, it was a decision of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the government. He was Dan Teen's response.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: To rape, a step to order while your partner is
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: giving birth in hospital.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: What it shows is that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Ministerial direction is clearly failing. I don't think that you
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: could get a worst example that that ministerial direction is
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: clearly failing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, for heaven, say you wouldn't trust Andrew Jarles
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to make a cup of tea Joe and trying to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: justify this. You know, the government wanted to deport the guy.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Was the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, Well, if you didn't dictate
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to them how they meant to do them, they wouldn't
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: have done it. Yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Look, to be honest, I think there's plenty of blame
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to go around. I think both the government and the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Administered Heels Tribunal have behaved absolutely appallingly and shamelessly and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: morally in this case. There So the government doesn't obviously
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: give it necessarily a director. So the government can say, oh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you know, we're going to cancel his visa, deport him
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But the guidelines that the AAT is meant
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to abide by say that you should that the length
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of time in Australia and their community ties should weigh
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: in their favor. There should be leniency, but now it
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: also provides for you not to make that decision. And
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely appalling that the AAT made that decision.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And tellingly, the AAT Tribunal Chief who made the decision
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is also a former Labor MP from I believe the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: left of the party. So you've got basically a former
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Labor mper former speaker from the left of the party.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You've got a current Labor MP and Immigration minister from
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the left of the party. One's created this appalling guideline,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous guideline. I mean on earth would why on
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: earth would you just say no sorry? If rape, domestic violence, murder,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: all those things you've got, there's no leniency. It doesn't
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: matter how much you love Australia or how many kids
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you've had here.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You are well, you love us so much, me from
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: another country decided it co be crined.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And again, and it's just absolutely I find this indefensible.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: There's there's nothing you can there's absolutely nothing you can
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: say that isn't absolute a horror show out this issue
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: generally and how it's been handled and Giles, I do
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: not know how he's still in a job. But these
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I mean these cases that the Australian's got today and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: another one coming out tomorrow, not more than one coming
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: out tomorrow. Indeed, is just it is like someone needs
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's vile.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: It's utterly vile.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: But let's hear from said minister Minister Giles. When news
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: broke today, what did he have to say for himself.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: I'm determined to keep working hard to ensure that we
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: continue to put in place all of those mechanisms, strong
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: laws and very significant resourcing a quarter of a begion
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: dollars to ensure that our trusted law enforcement officials can
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: do their.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Job to keep the community safe.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: That is my focus and it will continue to be
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: my focus.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Focus harder.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Please don't continue to do whatever you've been doing. We
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: need you to do something drastically different, Minister Giles. That
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: was actually him from last week when what was it
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: then some murderer had been allowed to stay correct murder.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: It's a rapist tomorrow with several more rapists.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Will get to that in the paper.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: This guy has proved that there is nothing he can
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: do to be fired if at this point you are
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: still not stood down from your ministerial responsibilities, then you're
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: never going to be.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Statisic twenty three that clip was from. But it is
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: clearly that he has either something on the Prime Minister
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: or the Prime Minister has a purpose for him, because
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: otherwise you would get rid of that blow lickety split.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I think the problem that the problem is that he
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: is from the same faction as the PM. Sadly he
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: is from the Victorian Left. He apparently runs the machine
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: down there, so maybe the PM needs and keep people.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he can run the machine well.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I suspect with a fairly high degree of confidence that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he was sort of kept
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sweet over the last few months is because we had
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that Victorian State Labor Conference. He had a whole bunch
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of left He's saying they were going to go to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Hell and back on Palestine, and he needed someone to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: sort of rain them in a bit and stop them
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: from going too crazy. Didn't that work out well? So
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think he's proved that, you know, he can't he
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: can't keep his own learn he left Trots in line
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in Victoria. He can't run his own portfolio. It's getting
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to Python esque like it would be honestly fascical if
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't so desperately.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: But how discussing is it that Australians are now unsafe
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: in their own country because the Prime Minister what is trying.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: To keep his faction happy? Being a hapless minister.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to keep the show, keep the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: show going. I think he's trying to genuinely do the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right thing. And he is the PM is loyal to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a fault. He is not someone who who.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Is loyal to the Australian people, who in.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: This case is being loyal to the wrong person.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Utterly discus I don't speaking of loyalty. China's been caught
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: bullying eleven New South Wales MPs who attended and celebrated
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the inauguration of the new Taiwanese Prime minister President. Rather,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: they sent an email to them saying not okay, guys,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: we don't like this. Taiwan is a province of China.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't be celebrating such an event. Their email was
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: titled concerns regarding attendance at the Taiwan related event.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: It was sent to every.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: MP that attended the function in Rhodes last Monday. Makes
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: you wonder, doesn't it. What is the nature of the
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: relationship New South Wales politicians have with China that China
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: thought it was okay to send them this missive expressing
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: their disapproval.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: They don't even need to have a relationship. Chinleages thinks
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you can ride roughshod over absolutely anyone. And of course
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: what they said in the email is that, oh, this
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: puts at risk our links between the two countries, which
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: of course the federal government has tried its best to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: renew since it came to power. And you can never
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: forget when you're dealing with China that you are dealing
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: with a communist country and they don't care about Australia,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: they don't care about anyone else. They certainly don't care
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: about their own people. All they care about is achieving
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: their own ends. And to send these threats, I'm not
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: even going to call them idle threats, because I don't
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: think with China they deal in idle threats. They deal
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: in serious threats. And we know what they have already
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: done to us in terms of tariffs and cutting off
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: our exports exporting things into their country because we dared
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to question them about the origins of COVID, and they
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: now feel so comfortable telling Australian politicians what they should
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: or should not do, that the Consulate General would far
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and offer an email to live in New South Wales
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in pas saying you should not be going to evince
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that support Taiwan because it puts your links to well.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Not even that. They sort of said, We're confused. How
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: can you be going to celebrate the presidency of Taiwan
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: when there's no such country, which it reminds me of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the famous line or at least in some circles now
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that you should never praise a psychopath because they will
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: just take it as a statement of fact and just
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: do what they want anyway. And I think it's a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: bit like that with China. It doesn't matter how much
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of a good actor or a good faith actor Australia is,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: how much it tries to appease China. China is still
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: going to do what it wants when it wants in
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: its own interests, and we'll never give a second thought
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: about Australian interest. I think you know, there are things
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you can do, like getting ching Lee out was a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: seriously amazing achievement. But again, will we get the next
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: one out? I don't know, so I think I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: we have to look to India. I think China is
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: all over red rover. They are, as you say, a
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: communist dictatorship. Jijinping has just made himself dictator for life.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: They show signs, if anything, of hardening their position rather
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: than liberalizing it. And I think India is the future.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: India is a superpower. It's got more people than China
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: now who will soon be almost as industrialized. And it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: got a tradition of liberal democracy that China has never
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: ever had. And I think China is a foregone conclusion.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And maybe the only way we will pay more attention
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is not us talking to China, but us saying no
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: what we reckon them?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Superpower And of course a friend of the Commonwealth is
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a former British colonial outpost. That's right we should be
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: looking to. Maybe we can just see Anthony Albin easy
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: over to China to talk to Jijiping about, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: whether Panda's cute or not. I'm sure that'll fix it up.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Before we get to the break. The UK is now
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: looking at National service. Would you believe it Rishie Sunak
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: has worked out, of course, that he can't win the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: next election, so it's time to unfurl all the policies
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that you really didn't have the balls to do while
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you were Prime Minister. But hell, let's have a throw
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: at the dice now. He says that eighteen year olds
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: should be sent off for full time national service in
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the military or given the option of volunteering once a
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: month with a volunteer group. Have listened to him announcing
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it today.
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: Young people will gain valuable skills, make our country more
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: secure and build a stronger national culture. This ambition benefits
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: our country and our young people alike.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Hang, I'm just going to talk to the camera like
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Richie Sunek does. What a fantastic idea to unfurl upon
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the people of the UK. Look, you know, I suspect
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that the idea of national service actually would have quite
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a bit of support, probably not from eighteen year olds.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: But isn't it funny that he didn't have the balls
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: to do it when he was in bower and knowing
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that he's got nothing to lose now is.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: It decided to right chemikaze?
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: But I love legendary Nigel Farage waiting and explaining to everyone, Wow,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: this will never work.
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Do you support the government's proposal for a national service?
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: They don't support it either.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It's a joke, isn't it. I mean, look what you do.
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: You get a focus group of half a dozen reform
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: voters in a room in the chairman says, now, what
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: about national service?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: I think it's a very good idea. The rest say yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: actually not a bad idea. Oh policy. So you know, look,
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: when you're a week leader and Sunak is not a
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: leader in any way at all, you're a follower. So
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: you follow what the focus group says. We have a
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: grown number of young people in this country who do
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: not subscribe to British values, in fact, loathe much of
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: what we stand for.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So what do you do? Who are we talking about there?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 10: I think we see them on the streets of London
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  Speaker 10: every Saturday.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: What do they look like?
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, we're talking about what do they look like?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about Muslims?
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: Here?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We are?
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Don't bait Nigel Farage, He's just going to say it
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: for you anyway.
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  Speaker 3: A terrific point.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, the makeup of the London, especially the central cities,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: the demographic of them has changed drastically, and he's basically saying,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: do you really want all these people forming an army?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: There are merits. There are merits to the idea of
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: national service.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think, Joe, I'll tell you something for free, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: if anyone wants to put me on the Conservative Party
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: payroll for the upcoming UK election, I could do with
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the money. To be honest, we've got to cost a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: living crisis here. Everyone who supports National service is already
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: voting for you.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, all right after the break, we'll get into
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the papers and we'll bring you even more people who
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: have been allowed to stay in this country, foreigners who've
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: committed crimes thanks to the immigration min a standard Charles,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that's on in front of the ods. Plenty more to come,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: don't go away, welcome back. Let's get stuck straight into
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the papers. The Australian Tomorrow has a story of course,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that Cherry Markson has been breaking every night here on
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: this Channel nine. See signed one million dollar exit payout
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Knownes chief executive Mark Sneezeby, who was responsible for giving
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: a former news boss nearly one million dollars in a
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: golden handshake for an avalanche of sexual harassment allegations against
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the veteran journalist, as the network claims chairman Peter Costello
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: played no role in the payout. Another story on the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: front of Yours Tomorrow. But wait, there's more. Trio of
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: rapists is on the Jarles leniency list. A trio of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: child rapists are among the growing list of Peter Files
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and sex offenders allowed to remain in the country under
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Andrew Giles' call for greater tolerance for foreign offenders with
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: ties to Australia. As the Immigration Minister refuses to say
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: if he will intervene in any of the visa approvals,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: he could have intervened by not intervening in the first
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: place and sending down the direction that these people ought
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to be given the benefit of the doubt. You've said it,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you don't want to say.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: This entire article reads like an absolute nightmare. It goes
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: on to tell some of the stories of these individuals,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: like this forty five year old Lebanese citizen who permanently
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: relocated to Australia in two and thirteen, raped a thirteen
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: year old in twenty twenty and got to stay because
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: the Appeals Tribunal were just like, oh, well, he's got
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: so many ties to Australia. I don't care if you're
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: want of the founding Bloody Fathers. If you are not
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: an Australian and you come here and you commit the
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: viless crimes, you should be out on your nose immediately.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: That's just one story.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: The article goes on to detail more, some of them
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: involving murder, plenty of them involving pedophiles.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: And Giles is the one who.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Made this direction ninety nine, which means they get to stay.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: How does this guy still have a job.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. No.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I think the best you could probably say about it
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: is that one of them committed his that after he'd
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: been so they didn't have that information for you.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Sure sure.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Are we doing me a favor to the front page
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of the advertiser.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Now Minister lashes Chinese naval aggression Wong's red line. I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: so shocked she has a line when it comes to China.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Chinese military operations are creating a growing risk of accidents
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: and conflict. Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong will tell her
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: defending Australia summit in Canberra today, I can't believe this.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: She's actually saying something along the lines of China are
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: the aggressors, and this maybe is getting a bit dangerous.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Search again, one minute we're over here, in the next minute,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: we're over here. I couldn't believe. I read a story
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: today that at one point during the Radgillard years there
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: was a time where we had effectively zero those submarines
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that we could send underwater. Right. That is how poorly
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: equipped we have been for more than a decade when
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it comes to defense in this country, and we're really
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: not fixing it all that fast. Off, I've got some
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: submarines coming by the turn of the decade. Well, I
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: mean that may well be too late.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Turns out there's quite a big lead time for building submarine.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: We should have done it a long time again.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: No, it was a great, great yarn on the front
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of the Australian that showed that, and nobody knew it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: was so the situation. Ironically, the situation was so perilously
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: bad that they couldn't even tell anyone that. You know, hey, guys,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I just definitely I we don't have any sect moment,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: but we're hoping to get come by about twenty thirty five.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: If you could just hold off in your invasion, make
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: hold off for the fashion just anyway. Now here's another
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: This is also going to make you hold on to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: your hats. The camera times just a blockbuster story on
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the front page. The protesters warned they quote will be arrested.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: No talking about our upper middle class friends at elite
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: universities protesting against Israel Students at the an News. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: always thought that an News is all.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I hadn't looked at it like that, but now that
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you pointed out, I'll never be able to look at
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it any other way.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Anyway. You certainly don't want to get involved.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Does describe what comes don't want to.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Join the Australian National Association of Lamas anyway. Sudans at
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the an News pro Palestinian encampment have been given until
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: noon today, that being tomorrow to move on or risk
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: being arrested by police and disciplined under university rules. That's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a bit, that's a bit of a far crape and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: will be arrested. I mean to risk being arrested by
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: police and disciplined.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And then they took a vote at eleven forty today
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: and then inform the police.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Now we'll be staying anyway.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Because the whole point of being a crazy upper middle
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: class socialist protest is you want to get arrested. That's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the only way you get any That's.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and you know, all of the officers taking me away,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: my lily arms, God decade, you might get some strict
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: cred and be able to pick up some you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: hot hippie chicks if you actually get put in the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: back of the I suppose, well, you're probably right, but
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: there are some hippie bore very high. Probably agree, yeah, yeah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: hot because their body temperature keeps rising because they haven't
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: had a shower for a few weeks and they've got
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: all sorts of infections. Let's move on to the Herald Sun,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: where it says tomorrow see if EMU aims to grab garbos,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: sparking fears of being collection strikes, pressure on council rates
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and services, trash takeover, militant, militant, sorry, construction union the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: c F you was trying to muscle into wage negotiations
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: for thousands of blue collar council workers such as garbos
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and gardeners, alarming rate payer groups and rival unions, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: raising fears of rising pressure on rates and services. Now,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: this already sort of goes on to some degree in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: councils whereby the big unions push out the smaller unions,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: and there are some smaller unions when it comes to
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: pay negotiations. And if you really want to be part
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of the discussion, you have to join the you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the AMWU or whatever it might be, at the particular
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: council you're working at, in whatever division you're in. But
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we really want to see our rates
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: go up by twenty percent, and they're already going up
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: by fourteen percent in some districts, just get the seam
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: you involved.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Mate, you'd be nuts to be a part of any
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: other union.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: By the sounds of this, they get results for there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Then, exactly. And the armashuck is a great place to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: put all the bodies as well. That's right.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering, can I get the CEAFM you
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to come in and do my negotiations here. We'll see
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: about that, John Setka, I'll get you on the phone
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: after the show. All right, coming up after the break,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: we are going to have the discussion of the century.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Is it okay to put your rubbish someone else? Has been.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: If yours is full webside, I know you're worried about it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: For the point, now it seems every council is emptying
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: our bins less and less. Now maybe if the sea,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: if you gets involved, like we said before, Joe, it'll
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: be emptied even less. But it's sparked a big discussion.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I looked forward to the c IFBU becoming our bin
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: overlords and settling this million dollar question once and for all.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Check it out.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: My red bin fills up so fast.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: So I wait to the dark of night and I
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: put some bin bags and other neighbors bins, and I
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: want to see is this illegal or frownd upon?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Because I do wait till it's nighttime to go out
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and do it. Oh, she's like a ninja. I love her.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: She's a freedom fighter. It's everybody's right to be able
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: to put their rubbish and anyone else's been as long
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: as it's half the.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Dark, well it is right because at that point it
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: is space they're not going to use.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It's the neighbor as soon as it's on the And
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you don't actually own the bin. The council owns the bin.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You can't take it with you. To another property if
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you leave that council right, so why shouldn't you be
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: able to put it's the council's bin here?
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Would be a waste of their efforts not to ensure
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: that every bin on your street.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Is full exactly, And apparently some people get so upset
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: about it they actually pull the rubbish out of their
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: bin and take it back to the person who put
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it in that imagine going that far anyway. That's it
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: from us tonight. Up next, the red of Panicky Show
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Midnight