Latest / The Frommer's Travel Show / Beyond Shoofly Pie: Rediscovering Lancaster County, PA
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- 0:00Foreign.
- 0:12And welcome to the Fromer Travel Show.
- 0:15I'm your host, Pauline Fromer.
- 0:17I'm going to start today with a personal anecdote.
- 0:21When I was in my early 20s, I was an actor another lifetime ago, and I toured the country with Les Miserables.
- 0:30And I also got to play at some of the country's best theaters.
- 0:34And I gotta say, one of the most fun gigs I ever had was I got to do a musical at the Fulton Theater in Lancaster.
- 0:46And it was this incredible historical.
- 0:52But not only that, and I don't know if they still do this, but they would put up the cast members in the homes of people from Lancaster.
- 1:02And so I got to know this whole community of great people who drove me all around Lancaster, showed me the town, showed me what an amazing place it is, which is why I'm excited to share with you today
- 1:18what a fabulous place Lancaster can be for a vacation.
- 1:23To help me do that, I have the real expert on the line because it's been a long time since I was an actor.
- 1:29His name is Jeff Vassar.
- 1:31He is from Discover Lancaster.
- 1:34Hey, Jeff, thank you so much for appearing on the Fromer Travel Show.
- 1:39Oh, my pleasure.
- 1:40Thank you for having me.
- 1:41It's great to see you again.
- 1:42And I had no idea you had that history with Lancaster.
- 1:45I do, I do it really.
- 1:48It's a part of my heart forever.
- 1:51I gotta say, I had a wonderful time in Lancaster.
- 1:54And I gotta ask you about the Fulton Theater.
- 1:57Is it still, you know, going along strong?
- 2:01It has never been better.
- 2:03They had a major renovation and expansion a couple of years ago.
- 2:07It's absolutely beautiful.
- 2:09And they added some housing for in town, so some people do choose to stay with families, but for the most part they have housing for, for their performers.
- 2:23So wonderful, wonderful venue.
- 2:26And I'm sure you're aware that is the oldest continually operated theater in the country.
- 2:33Yes, absolutely wonderful.
- 2:34And they do a lot of Broadway level shows and they also added another theater on the third floor which will do smaller plays.
- 2:44And I really enjoy that.
- 2:46You know, some people enjoy the Broadway shows.
- 2:49Other people like the one or two person plays that they do up there as well.
- 2:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 2:54No, I remember treading those boards and you could feel the weight of the history there as you can in Lancaster.
- 3:03Lancaster is a place where, where a lot of things were the first in the United States.
- 3:09Like your farmer's market.
- 3:11Tell us about that.
- 3:13Yeah, Central Market is again, I, I don't want to overuse this term, but the oldest continually operated farmer's market in the country.
- 3:22It's open three days a week, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday.
- 3:28And it is a variety of booths, including Amish goods, as well as, you know, coffee and, and butcher shops and cheese shops.
- 3:38My favorite stand is a pickle store.
- 3:43A variety of things, but.
- 3:45And it's not just visitors.
- 3:46I mean, residents, you know, will go and do their shopping there because, you know, you can't get any fresher than when the farmers are coming from, you know, their farms and coming in central set, setting up in central
- 3:59market for those three days a week.
- 4:01Yeah, and it's also a great photo op if you'd like to take photos of beautiful, actually authentic local things.
- 4:10You also have the oldest short line railroad.
- 4:15What is a short line railroad?
- 4:17Short line.
- 4:18It's a 45 minute tour, the Strasbourg Railroad.
- 4:22And it takes you on a ride through the farmland and Amish country and an.
- 4:26In a restored 19th century car.
- 4:31And it's, It's a wonderful experience and it's, it's authentic.
- 4:37And the railroad also repairs other antique cars throughout.
- 4:43So they have engineers and mechanics that will just do nothing but repair those antique cars.
- 4:49And it's.
- 4:50You mean other antique cars from other parts of the country?
- 4:52Country from other parts of the country.
- 4:54They come in because of the expertise that the people from the Strasbourg Railroad have.
- 5:00And it's right across the street from the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum, which shows a variety of the growth of railroad travel through our country.
- 5:09It's a, It's a wonderful experience.
- 5:10And railroads are a big part of our culture here.
- 5:14So it's.
- 5:15I'm glad you remembered that.
- 5:17Yeah.
- 5:17Well, it's so interesting because people don't realize at one point Lancaster was the western edge of the United States.
- 5:28Right.
- 5:28And so you have a lot of history that, that speaks to things that people usually in the west of the United States are talking about.
- 5:38Right.
- 5:39You're right.
- 5:39And we were also the nation's capital for one day.
- 5:44Really?
- 5:44Tell me that story.
- 5:46September 27, 1777, the Second Continental Congress met in Lancaster.
- 5:54And it's an honor that we celebrate every year.
- 5:59And we like to say that we are more about quality than quantity because we never had a government shutdown in our one day as a capital for the day.
- 6:10Well, why was it just one day?
- 6:12That's so odd.
- 6:14Were they running away from British troops?
- 6:17Exactly right.
- 6:18They were away.
- 6:20And I think they set up in York after the one day.
- 6:24They stopped here, did their business and move on.
- 6:27So it's, it's a fun little.
- 6:29Do you know what their business was?
- 6:31Was There anything important that happened that day, or was it just the fact that they were there?
- 6:35Just the fact that they were there.
- 6:37Okay.
- 6:38We take pride into being capital for the day.
- 6:41They're one of my favorite things.
- 6:43For people that are pretzel fans, the first pretzel bakery was established in Lancaster County.
- 6:51Julius Sturgis Pretzel bakery was founded in the 19th century and still exists today.
- 6:58Now, this wasn't the first in the world, I would think that's in Germany.
- 7:02So this was the first in the United States.
- 7:04Are they hard or soft pretzels?
- 7:07Hard.
- 7:08Oh, I love hard pretzels.
- 7:09That's great.
- 7:10Yes, they're my.
- 7:11They're my favorite.
- 7:12But they also.
- 7:12They also produce soft pretzels as well.
- 7:15But can you see the production?
- 7:18Can you see it?
- 7:19Is it still a factory?
- 7:21How does it work for visitors who want to see this?
- 7:24For visitors, you come in and they will have tours and you can roll the pretzel yourself.
- 7:30They teach you how to do it and the whole process.
- 7:33And they'll have the old ovens that they show you how it works.
- 7:39And then you come out and they give you a bag of pretzels when you're done.
- 7:41But the major.
- 7:42The main factory is elsewhere now, but the original Julius Sturges pretzel bakery is still there.
- 7:50And you come in, you take a tour, and you can see the original ovens, and they teach you how to roll pretzels.
- 7:56Wow.
- 7:56Oh, that's fun.
- 7:58Yeah.
- 7:59I'm assuming you.
- 7:59They don't sell your pretzels.
- 8:01You just get to eat pretzels.
- 8:02You just get to eat pretzels.
- 8:03Okay.
- 8:05They don't want to sell the pretzel that I rolled.
- 8:07It was pretty.
- 8:08Pretty oddly shaped.
- 8:10Oh, really?
- 8:10Is it hard to do?
- 8:11I would think it's pretty simple, but what do I know?
- 8:15That's not my skill set, you know,.
- 8:19So.
- 8:21So a lot of history in Lancaster.
- 8:25And so it's not surprising that you are going to have some Baffo Fourth of July celebrations this year in honor of the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States.
- 8:38So tell me what's on the agenda?
- 8:41Well, we are very proud of what's called historic Rock Fort, and that is the meticulously restored mansion of General Edward Hand, who was the adjutant general to George Washington.
- 8:59The adjutant general is basically the first assistant to General Washington, and he was a big player in the Revolutionary War.
- 9:08And they have over 70 events that they're doing throughout.
- 9:12Throughout their facility.
- 9:14I think It's.
- 9:15They have 35 acres there.
- 9:17And it's, they have programming throughout the year, which is exciting.
- 9:22And what we're doing is we've put together a commemorative passport and there are 20 historic and heritage sites that are a part of our passport program.
- 9:32And we created a unique stamp for each of them so visitors can pick up, you know, the passport either at our visitor center or at any one of the participating attractions.
- 9:44And they will get a unique stamp.
- 9:46And it's a, it's a nice keepsake.
- 9:48But most of our history was, you know, throughout, throughout the 250 years of America.
- 9:55So what we're doing is celebrating all 250 years.
- 9:58But historic Rock Ford was our primary Revolutionary War site.
- 10:06Right, right.
- 10:07Interesting.
- 10:07Okay.
- 10:08And you also have a major new museum.
- 10:13Let me get the name.
- 10:14The Thaddeus Stevens and Linda Hamilton Smith center for History and Democracy that just opened this month.
- 10:24Right?
- 10:24In May.
- 10:25This month.
- 10:25It's the Lydia Hamilton Smith.
- 10:27Oh, sorry, Lydia.
- 10:29That's all right.
- 10:30She'll forgive you.
- 10:32Is she still alive?
- 10:34No, no.
- 10:36Celebration of two Civil War era people that were very instrumental in bringing along the amendment that gave equal rights to everybody.
- 10:47So they were.
- 10:48Thaddeus Stevens was a congressman from, from here.
- 10:52And Lydia Hamilton Smith was his housekeeper, confidant, aide, and she was a mixed race person and was a force to herself.
- 11:04She was a very successful business person and, and the two of them collaborated on fighting for abolition, civil liberties, and equal opportunity for everybody.
- 11:16And we are thrilled.
- 11:17And they were from Lancaster.
- 11:19What year was this?
- 11:21I mean, when was this happening?
- 11:22This is, you know, in the mid 18th.
- 11:25I'm sorry, the mid 19th century.
- 11:26This is during the Lincoln years.
- 11:29So, so right before Abraham Lincoln, they were fighting for those, those rights.
- 11:34Wow.
- 11:35I'm, I'm thrilled that you included her in the, in the headline of this because she's probably been, I don't know.
- 11:42Has she been forgotten until this point?
- 11:46Not here.
- 11:48Good.
- 11:49She has been celebrated here.
- 11:50And the two of them were inseparable as, as I've learned.
- 11:54And you know, there you couldn't support one without supporting the other or, you know, basically putting, you know, putting the effort of one without the other.
- 12:05So the two of them together was, was an appropriate thing to do.
- 12:09And we're thrilled that it opened, as you said, this month.
- 12:13And they're expecting a lot of people to be, to be coming through there over the next many years.
- 12:19You also have a premiere at the Sight and Sound Theater.
- 12:23It's, it's their 50th anniversary.
- 12:26I, you know, I guess it was a rival theater to the Fulton.
- 12:29So I didn't know anything about it when I was there.
- 12:32What is the Sight and Sound theater?
- 12:34It is hard to describe other than the word awesome.
- 12:40I've only been here a year and they put on one show a year that with a long run, all year.
- 12:47Long or just in a certain time.
- 12:49Period, pretty much from March through the end of the year they will put on a show.
- 12:54And they are the most elaborate productions you will ever see beyond what Broadway does.
- 13:03I saw Noah last year and when they put the ark together with a 180 degree stage with animals surrounding you and these live animals they keep on the farm and use them in their productions.
- 13:24Their productions are for the most part religious based.
- 13:28And right now, for the 50th anniversary, they just debuted Joshua in honor of their 50th year.
- 13:35So, you know, they bring these wonderful animals that they have vets and trainers on staff.
- 13:43And when you're during Noah, I haven't seen Joshua yet.
- 13:47It just opened a couple of months ago.
- 13:50But when they did Noah, the animals, when they were loading the ark, you know, in the story, the animals were coming down the aisle, you know, on the seat.
- 14:00So you're.
- 14:00You're looking beyond and they're coming up, going into the ark and then they open the.
- 14:06The screen and they reveal the.
- 14:10The full surrounding ark.
- 14:12And it's just a wonderful and amazing production.
- 14:16And will people who are not religious feel comfortable there or is this.
- 14:24So this isn't.
- 14:25You're not being preached at, you're just being told the story?
- 14:28Just being told the story?
- 14:30Yes.
- 14:30Okay.
- 14:31I'm not.
- 14:33I'm Jewish and I, I did not feel uncomfortable at all.
- 14:38But it's.
- 14:40Well, Noah is Old Testament.
- 14:42I can't remember the story of Joshua.
- 14:44I gotta be honest with you.
- 14:46I'm not a very good Jew.
- 14:47But who was.
- 14:49Do you know who Joshua was?
- 14:51I was hoping you weren't going to ask me that.
- 14:53Oh, gosh.
- 14:54That's all right.
- 14:55So it's two of us.
- 14:56I'm glad it's not just me showing my ignorance.
- 14:59It was a long time since I was in Sunday school, so.
- 15:04Right.
- 15:05The show, I will report back.
- 15:09But if nothing else, it's just an amazing production.
- 15:13Music, choreography and just the immersive effects that all of their shows do.
- 15:19And sight and sound is, is just a wonderful, wonderful asset that we have in this community.
- 15:26Right.
- 15:26And there's.
- 15:27You also have.
- 15:28I mean, it's pretty stunning how many theaters and other cultural centers you have in what is essentially A fairly small city and a very rural community.
- 15:45Tell me about the Ephrata Cloister.
- 15:49Well, it's pronounced Ephrata.
- 15:52Ephrata.
- 15:53Interesting.
- 15:54Ephrata Cloister.
- 15:55It was newly renamed, renovated, and they host concerts and theater performances, you know, in the county.
- 16:02And then we also have Prima Theater and the Ware center for the Arts, which also does original productions.
- 16:09And they're both celebrating their 15th anniversary.
- 16:12But you're right, Pauline.
- 16:13For a small, relatively small community, the arts and culture is absolutely amazing.
- 16:21And I don't want to not mention American Music Theater, which welcomes national touring acts.
- 16:27You know, they have a beautiful facility, you know, right on Route 30 in.
- 16:32In Lancaster.
- 16:34It's, you know, it's absolutely amazing.
- 16:37And I don't know if you've ever heard of Rock Linitz, but Lit.
- 16:42It's.
- 16:43It's a campus.
- 16:44It's.
- 16:44It's.
- 16:45I don't want to.
- 16:47I can't overstate the fact that it's.
- 16:50It's a one of a kind production campus that includes rehearsal spaces, production vendors, and just live event innovations.
- 17:00That in Lititz, which is, you know, one of our, you know, beautiful small, you know, small cities in, In Lancaster county.
- 17:07But it's where most, if not all of the touring acts start.
- 17:12It starts as, you know, where the sound is developed, where the staging is developed, where the lighting is developed, and, and they all come together in rehearsal sets and put a touring act together and then the artist.
- 17:27Can you name some of the artists?
- 17:29Just so we can get our mind around what.
- 17:31What.
- 17:31This is Madonna, Taylor Swift, Cher, and I mean, these are all the major.
- 17:38The major acts start here.
- 17:41So when you're wandering around Lancaster, you might go into a coffee shop and there will be.
- 17:46There will be Cher, there will be Taylor Swift grabbing a latte.
- 17:50It.
- 17:50It is absolutely true and Litzy.
- 17:53In Lit.
- 17:53Do.
- 17:54Do they open to the public at all?
- 17:57Do people get to see rehearsals or early versions of these shows?
- 18:01No, it's.
- 18:02It's very private.
- 18:04There's no tours.
- 18:05But it's.
- 18:06But it is really cool that in.
- 18:09In little Lancaster county, the.
- 18:11That all of the touring acts start here.
- 18:15Fascinating.
- 18:17And everybody in Litz is sworn to secrecy.
- 18:22Like you, you.
- 18:24When.
- 18:25When Madonna or Taylor Swift are in town.
- 18:28It.
- 18:28It's not a big deal.
- 18:30Everybody tries to respect their privacy, but they're only in for a few days and they'll either stay.
- 18:36There's Hotel Rock Litz on campus, but then there are some other wonderful hotels in Lidditz.
- 18:42The Hotel Wilbur is an old chocolate factory.
- 18:46That was converted into a hotel.
- 18:48Or they'll come into Lancaster City for the Lancaster Arts Hotel, which is a beautiful restored tobacco warehouse, into a wonderful boutique hotel.
- 18:59And then of.
- 19:00You know.
- 19:00And then, of course, we have the Lancaster Marriott, which is also a renovated department store, which converted the public space from the old facade of the, you know, classic old, like the.
- 19:15Like think of the old Macy's in New York City type of building.
- 19:19Sure.
- 19:19That serves as the public space, and they build a hotel tower behind it.
- 19:23So it's just beautiful.
- 19:25What they.
- 19:26And then Rock lit was so successful that they just opened a second facility in Nashville to accommodate the country music tours.
- 19:35Huh.
- 19:35That are going on.
- 19:37Good for them.
- 19:38So it's a wonderful little secret, but it's a hub for all the major concert tours.
- 19:43And they also do the Olympics.
- 19:48The opening ceremonies were staged and developed at Rock Litz as well.
- 19:53So it's not just music tours, but they also do staging for big events in the Super Bowl.
- 20:00Those staging were done there as well.
- 20:02Right.
- 20:03Well, it's quite the industry, as people who listen to this podcast know.
- 20:07We end with a song from my daughter's band, Melt, actually.
- 20:12And so she is going all over the country.
- 20:15Not in.
- 20:16Not in productions as big as the ones you're discussing.
- 20:20But it's a.
- 20:21It's a fascinating industry.
- 20:23But let's get back to Lancaster.
- 20:25So I feel like you cannot discuss Lancaster without talking about the Amish.
- 20:31And it seems weird to say this, but what's new with the Amish?
- 20:36Is that a question that can be answered or.
- 20:39Or is it that you're going to see what's old with the Amish?
- 20:42And what has always been a part.
- 20:45Of their culture, and that is their culture, is that you will not see modern innovations coming into the Amish community.
- 20:57And that is part of our charm, and that's what makes Lancaster county unique.
- 21:00The Amish community is still in Lancaster county, the largest in the country.
- 21:06And they've been here since the mid 18th century.
- 21:11And the interesting thing about, you know, the Amish culture is they came here and developed here at the same time that Lancaster county did.
- 21:19So the Amish culture is ingrained in Lancaster County.
- 21:23So it's not that they are not respected and recognized.
- 21:29They're a part of our community.
- 21:31We interact with them.
- 21:32They welcome tourism.
- 21:34Tourism is a big part of what they do.
- 21:37Our visitors buy their quilts, they buy their foods.
- 21:42Food is delish.
- 21:43Yeah, yeah.
- 21:44And there we have wonderful smorgasbords that have both, you know, modern as well as Amish fare.
- 21:55But the Amish, it.
- 21:57You still drive down the.
- 21:59The streets and roads of.
- 22:01Of Lancaster county, and you're still going to be passing buggies, and you'll be seeing the farmers tilling the fields with horses, and you won't see modern equipment at all.
- 22:13It's.
- 22:13It's just a.
- 22:14A wonderful experience and throwback to, you know, how things were in a simpler time.
- 22:21But it's.
- 22:22It's a wonderful, you know, hook to bring visitors here.
- 22:25And the story that I.
- 22:27I tell people is you come for the Amish, but then you'll be just amazed at all of the other things that Lancaster county has to offer.
- 22:35Right, right.
- 22:36I remember going and having, you know, baked beans and different types.
- 22:42It was the first time, I think I liked okra, different types of food, and somewhat interacting with the Amish.
- 22:51But, you know, I felt like it still was a very much a contained community.
- 22:58It was not.
- 22:59You kind of go and you interact with them, but from a distance.
- 23:04That's still the case, right?
- 23:05That is still the case for sure.
- 23:08But you have opportunities to interact with them through some.
- 23:15I don't want to call them tour operators because that implies too big.
- 23:19But there are Amish families that will invite what they call the English community, and that's basically anybody that's not Amish, they refer to us as the English.
- 23:30They invite us into their homes to experience, you know, spending an afternoon having lunch or dinner with an Amish family and really understanding and being able to talk to them.
- 23:40I've taken tours of, you know, their farms.
- 23:45Again, they're.
- 23:46They're a part of our business community.
- 23:48They have businesses for buggy rides, and we certainly promote, you know, all of the.
- 23:55The wonderful foods that they.
- 23:56That they have.
- 23:57And it's part of culture here.
- 23:59I love the fact that there are home visits available.
- 24:03Where would one find those?
- 24:05How do.
- 24:05How do you access those?
- 24:08Well, good segue.
- 24:10You can go to our website.
- 24:11Oh, okay.
- 24:12Yeah, Give it, give it.
- 24:14Let's hear what it is.
- 24:15Discover lancaster.com and you'll have an opportunity to put together tours like that.
- 24:24Looking at, you know, tours of the city, tours of the county, itineraries that we have.
- 24:29We have experience trails, which we're really proud of because we're known for not only Amish, but there's a wonderful coffee culture here, and then there's a wonderful.
- 24:41And you.
- 24:42Because of the German culture, the influence of, you know, the Amish came from, you know, Germany, and we have a wonderful brewery culture here.
- 24:52Craft breweries, and they don't knock them down anymore.
- 24:55They convert some of the old catacombs that are underground where the beer was stored and they're converted into dining spaces, event spaces.
- 25:04But there's a.
- 25:06In the town of Mount Joy, there is a brewery called Boobies Brewery that dates back to the 1870s.
- 25:14Don't laugh, but it is the only 19th century lager brewery complex in the United States that still exists and operates.
- 25:26Wow.
- 25:27So another longest running.
- 25:28I mean, or even only one at this point.
- 25:30Wow.
- 25:31The only one.
- 25:32But it's, it's a, you know, it's a part of our culture.
- 25:35You know, the brewery craft breweries is big and that's part of one of our experience trails.
- 25:40We have one for pretzels, we have one for ice cream, which is also very big here.
- 25:46You must have one for covered bridges, I'm assuming, because I remember that was a huge thing in Lancaster county.
- 25:51Right.
- 25:52We have 27 covered bridges in Lancaster county, which is the most in Pennsylvania and the second most in the country.
- 26:00So people that enjoy outdoor experiences, you know, driving through the countryside and coming across covered bridges is just a.
- 26:08Is a wonderful experience.
- 26:10But then on the, on the western side of the county is the Susquehanna river where you have hiking and biking and river opportunities, you know, kayaking and canoeing.
- 26:23It's.
- 26:23It's really exciting to place to be.
- 26:26They said.
- 26:26I've only been here a year and I'm still discovering.
- 26:30And they called it Discover Lancaster.
- 26:33Well, you landed somewhere lovely.
- 26:35I'm jealous.
- 26:37Thank you.
- 26:37Thank you.
- 26:37So.
- 26:38So.
- 26:38Yeah, well, I'd love to.
- 26:40Thank you so much, Jeff.
- 26:41It's been a delight speaking with you.
- 26:44Thank you for having me, Pauline.
- 26:45I appreciate it.
- 26:47And that is it for this week's show.
- 26:49I thank you so much for listening.
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- 26:56Visit us@fromers.com and I will end, as I always do, by saying if you are traveling, may I wish you a hearty bon voyage.
- 27:07I'll see you next week.
- 27:14Sour candy on the table Lazy afternoons in your sweatpants Watching cable well it feels so fun far away.
- 27:30All the.
- 27:31Channels seem the same Trying to remember all the songs we like to play Cuz those lazy afternoons don't come so frequently these days oh it's been so long and I cannot have a wonder Are you ever coming home?
- 27:56I like you with your sour candy in the booth House on the lake oh but I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate the way it tastes.
- 28:19I can't get you off of my mind Looking out the window where we spend so much of our time Cause I miss the way it feel But I guess you can't control those damn cards with all the balls
- 28:41of us are happy when we're were free but would it be so hard to find your freedom here with me?
- 28:51Oh, it's been so long and I cannot help but wonder Are you ever coming home?
- 29:00I like you with your sour candy in the boat house on the lake But I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate the way it tastes.
- 29:22And I, I hate the way it tastes But I love it all the same and I, I, I hate the way it tastes But I love it all the same.
- 30:00Sa.
- 30:25Sam.
- 30:51Sa.
- 31:17Help but wonder Are you ever coming home?
- 31:21I like you with your sour candy in the boat house on the lake But I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate the way it tastes it's been, it's been so long and I cannot
- 31:38help but wonder Are you ever coming home?
- 31:42When I see you with this sour candy don't want it any other way oh I just hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate the way it tastes.