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Lights Off, Bills Due and Heartfelt Too · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and That Michelle Chick, the weekly
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podcast where your hosts, Rick and Michelle, confidently dive
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into topics they know absolutely nothing about and somehow make
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it sound legit. They're not experts.
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They're not qualified. Honestly, they barely googled
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it. So grab a drink, lower your
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expectations, and let's pretend this counts as content.
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So buckle up. Facts are optional, but the
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bullshit? That's premium grade.
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This is Rick and that Michelle chick.
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OK, well, last episode I didn't realize like my neon light was
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not on. Yes, it was on, but it's hard
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for me to tell. Look, hold on.
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Let me see if I can turn it off. See that's.
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That's barely. Yeah, it's that's.
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Hard. And then, yeah.
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And then that's it on. So yeah, after I went back, you
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know, needed to edit our podcast, I realized, Oh my God,
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my light isn't on. What the hell?
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So you know it happens. That's such a slight variance I
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wouldn't have noticed. I know it's hard to it like
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obviously I didn't see it because it doesn't look like
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it's off or on or there's not much difference anyway.
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OK, so yeah, but it like pissed me off.
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Oh. My gosh.
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Oh, the world ended. I know.
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Like first world podcast problems.
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I know exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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No, I was just mad about it. I was like, Wolf.
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Wolf did you for good. I think I'm mad.
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At myself, I was. Mad at myself.
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Well, I'm just saying our whole staff of one should have caught
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that. But you know, can't, can't fire,
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can't fire her 'cause she's the host.
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I know and she edits and she does everything.
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That's right, isn't it? Isn't it crazy?
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Before we get into today's topic, isn't it crazy that other
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podcasts, you know, and I know everybody, I know everybody's
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got a podcast these days, but isn't it crazy?
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I'm like, how do they make money?
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Because I watch these podcasts and they have complete writing
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staff. They've got all these different
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people. I'm like, they've got a set.
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I mean, like, yeah, you know, thank you for our 222 viewers
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and listeners. I appreciate it.
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But it's just it's just crazy when you look at all these other
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high production value, you know, and it was like, what?
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How's how's but you're? Listening.
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But you're listening and watching like celebrity types,
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aren't you? Yes.
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Yeah. Like will you know?
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Like people of that genre, you know, that caliber, and of
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course, they're going to go in, be fully staffed and just be
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talking basically. So that explains why they have
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so much. So.
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Yeah. Well, even when we even when we
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did, it was so funny, even when we did mornings together that
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that that was so at one time it was, it was Rick Michelle and
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Cephas and and Cephas for eight months couldn't be on the air.
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And what'd he do? Just put it out there?
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What, what did he do for eight months?
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Did he? What did he sat sat behind us
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and eat food? Yes, yeah.
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Oh, and then he would write on his whiteboard, that kind of.
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Yeah. Remember, sometimes he would
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chime in and write on his whiteboard, which explain why he
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was off the air because that kind of ties into the whole was
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it James Terrico? Who's the guy in Texas that they
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wouldn't allow to be on Stephen Colbert because of the same
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thing? Yeah, because you have to.
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So, yeah. So if you are running for
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office, it's equal time. So if let's say you're a radio
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personality, you want to run for Senate or Congress or even do a
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an AM morning show, guess what? There your opponent, your
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opponent has the opportunity to say I want equal time.
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Now in Yakima, what they did with both Dave Edel and Cephas
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back in the day is they ran commercials of the opponents
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free of charge. Yeah.
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So but, but, but for us, Micah for eight months couldn't be on
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the couldn't be on the air at. All Nope.
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Nope. So, yeah, so there you go.
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Yeah. So that's, if you're ever
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curious about that, if you're, you know, if you're a
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personality and, and someone gives you a platform, you know,
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you already have a built in platform, let's say a radio
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station show or whatever, guess what they're going to, you know,
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they're going to say that's an, that's an unfair advantage.
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Yeah, yeah. Now, luckily.
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I didn't even know about that was a thing until that happened
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to him. I really.
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Oh, I knew it was. I knew it was always a thing.
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Yeah. Well, I've never had any
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listeners. So if I had listeners, I'd be
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worried about it. But I've never had any listeners
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so. We've never ran for office
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either, so like. So Tom and I many years ago, one
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of one of the great stunts we pulled was we had a sign company
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make signs and it was Rick and Tom for any office.
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And so during the during the elections.
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President. No, it was just Rick and Tom for
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any office. It had our logo, the bull.
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And so we put those all over town and it drove Dewey Boynton
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crazy over at KXTV. He even called the election
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board and said, said this is bullshit.
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They they're you know, they're not, you know, and we just, we
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say we, we, we said we were right in votes.
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We're right. Hey, we're right in votes on
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any, any place where you're unhappy, you write our name in.
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And so, and and the only caveat was, of course, we had to pick
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up the signs at the end of the like, you know, end of the
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election cycle. You're not allowed to keep your
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signs. No, they had to be picked up
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within a certain amount of time. So the the the greatest joy of
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my entire life is having Dewey Boynton, who was our competitor
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driving down. Is it Chesterly?
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What is that road that oh, Summitville?
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And Chesterly. Yeah, well, Summit View right
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there next to the park right there.
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And and and him having to go to work to see those Rick and Tom
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and what was so great was an actual legit sign.
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Company made the sign. So it wasn't like it was it was
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high. I still have one.
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It wasn't. Like you and Tom does writing on
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poster. No, no, it was legit like they
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were like they were. Campaign signs, yeah.
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And they, and they were totally and they were totally done for
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us for free. And I don't know they if this
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company says we'll, we'll sponsor you guys.
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And so we put those babies out there during, you know, I don't
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know if it made any difference, but.
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I was going to say, wonder if you got really got any right in
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I? Don't know if it never, never
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checked on it, but it would have been funny.
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So yeah. So yeah.
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So. So, yeah.
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So when you're talking about those equal time and all those
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different things, that's like, again, even if I wanted to run
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for office here, I'm on the radio right now.
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If I wanted to run for office, they'd be like, Nope, you know,
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it's equal time. Great.
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Yep. But the TV stations network was
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exempt from that until this administration started having
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issues. And yeah, yeah, the.
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Good. The good news is we're not going
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to spend the entire podcast and talking about this
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administration. No, but I but it's I there.
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What's what's the newest 1? Real quick before we get into
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the topic, I'm not going to sign any piece of legislation unless
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unless the voter act goes through.
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I mean, this is a this is a child.
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No, but this is a child and I have no problem.
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You know what? You tell me where I'm going to
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be. I'll have my birth certificate.
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I'll have anything to identify me as an American citizen.
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And I'm not voting for you. You know what I'm saying?
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So so you, I mean, I, I will, I, I never voted for the I never
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voted for this administration three times in a row.
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I'm not going to do it. I'm going to start doing it now
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and the. Problem is most Americans don't
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have their birth certificate, they don't have a passport, they
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don't have a driver's license. I mean, you and I live in rural
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areas and driving is a thing for everyone.
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Basically it it's. So it is.
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Basically drive, but in urban areas people don't drive.
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But it's called a poll tax. You are you are not supposed to
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pay to vote period. That was done what 1962 whatever
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it was pass where you are not, you know.
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So by making people get go get passports or making them pay pay
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to get their birth certificate, you don't get your birth.
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They don't just print out your birth certificate.
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No, you got to pay money. Yeah, so it's like, so this is
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called a poll tax. And the the, the the absurdity,
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you know, that he, he just cannot believe that half the
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company hates him. I mean, half the country, he
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just can't. He just can't believe it.
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No, it's not real. He didn't lose.
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No, he you know, I'll tell him to his face.
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Well, since we're talking about childish behavior on my child.
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Good Segway that's. The only thing I can think of.
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So one of my kids recently got a bill in the mail for $1600.
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Now normally I don't open their mail, but this is tax season and
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they are dependents because they're both in college.
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And so we we put them on our taxes because we are paying for
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the majority of everything at this stage of the game.
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And so something came in his name and I opened it.
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I said him, so we might as well. I only have two kids in college,
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so it's Jackson. All three of you know who it is.
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And so I opened it and it was this bill for $1600.
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Now at first, because you know how you get those, your car
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warranties expiring, like those things that they look, they look
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real, like these fraudsters have gotten really good at this.
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And so those things look real. We get the like your home
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warranties expiring, that bullshit, we get those in the
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mail. And so at first I thought, OK,
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well, maybe this is just one of those fake things.
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So I Googled the company. The company is legit.
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They are a legit collection company.
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So then I'm thinking, OK, well, maybe somebody got a hold of his
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identity because that's very, that's very possible, you know,
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in this day and age. And so I text him and was like,
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hey, is this yours? Or, you know, are we dealing
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with someone that got your identity?
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Like what, what is this? And then he texted me back and
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he was like, well, I did have a Discover Card, but I thought I
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paid it off. And so.
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So it really is his, this debt of $1600. $1600.
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Yes. So he had gotten one of those,
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you know, college build up your credit, discover cards, which
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you have to build up your credit.
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Like these kids don't have a choice.
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But he was trying to handle it on his own and obviously didn't
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do a very good job of that and then didn't tell us anything
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about it until it's gone to collections, where now I think
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the majority of that $1600 is like interest in penalties and
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all that kind of stuff that starts to add up.
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And it finally caught up with him.
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And so, yeah, so he now has dinged his credit.
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I think that's what's upsetting is that he's dinged his credit
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like this is going to stay on his credit for what, 7-8 years
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now? And the fact that like he didn't
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come to us when he knew it was getting out of hand because we
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could have stopped it from getting to that point.
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And we, we take care of everything else financially,
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like college apartment, like everything, like he could have
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came to us and said he. Hide that particular Why did he
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I? Don't.
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No, I, we can't figure that out. Which which probably he probably
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did try to handle it on his own a little bit.
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And then it kind of by that point it was probably spinning
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out of control And he, you know how like you're ashamed to tell
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your parents. That's the only thing we could
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think of. You know, that we would be upset
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with him, we'd be disappointed in him.
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You know, all those kind of things keep you from reaching
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out for help. That's the only thing I could
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think of. It did remind me of when he was
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like 8 or 9. Remember the Smurf game was like
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super popular and all of us in the family were playing it.
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And to earn Smurf berries, you had to do tasks.
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And that took really a long time.
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But you needed those Smurf berries to be able to buy
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whatever, right? Or you could just outright buy
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some Smurf berries. Well, Jack Jay got a bill for
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like $100 because Jackson had bought Smurf berries.
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But at the time he said I didn't know what I had done.
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Well now that he's an adult, he has admitted that he knew he
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bought the course berries so like of.
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Course, we had that with Kyron. Yes, yes, they know what
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they're. Doing shit.
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So anyway, that's just what it reminded me of.
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It was funny, but yeah, so we're going to pay this bill.
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But the problem is now it's stuck on his credit.
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You know, this is going to affect him being able to rent an
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apartment if he needs to buy a car, anything in the future.
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And so I don't know. So it's just upsetting.
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Jay's mindset is, you know, my parents helped me out of
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situations. So we're going to pay it and
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help him out, which we would pay him and help him out anyway.
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But it's almost like he there's just not going to be any
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repercussions or lesson in this. I don't know.
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Or maybe he maybe he will learn a lesson, but I don't know.
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Go ahead. I was just thinking, I'm just
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trying, I'm trying to think so, so it was a, you know, back in
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the day, remember back in the day, you'd get a Sears card and
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you go and, and you, let's say you had $1000 balance on that
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Sears card. Sears was notorious for it's a
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$25.00 a month payment, meaning meaning you were never going to
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pay off that $1000 if you if you if you did the whole $1000
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right. And I thought.
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Discover, Discover. I had a Discover Card years ago
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and it was kind of, it used to be owned by Sears.
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So it was a very similar thing was it'd be $1000, but it'd be a
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low payment that you'd never pay off if you just kept paying 20
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bucks a month. So I'm curious how it got out of
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control. And then again, trust me, it
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didn't just land in collections. No, it's been, this has probably
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been a couple years. He has been notified.
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Yes, a lot. Over and over and over.
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And so, so to excuse it and go, I don't know.
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And duh, duh. No, I mean that that is one of
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those things where you're just a, you know, and then again,
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what, what, what was that payment?
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I mean, or how did, how could you not?
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What what made you decide just not even make the payment?
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Cuz they didn't you know cuz they they don't.
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It doesn't just go to collections, so I'm curious.
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He at the time when he got the card, he did have a job.
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It was a part time job and I think it was only weekends.
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And so I think his mentality was I could pay this.
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But in reality, like you're working the amount of hours that
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he did, which weren't very many isn't realistic that he was
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going to be able to pay it. So I think that what going into
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it, that's what he thought. But again, he's young and has no
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concept of anything like that was his first real job.
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And so I don't know if he thought he was going to be
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making. How old is he, 21?
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He'll be 22. So I call.
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So we have these same situations in my house with Kyron, who's 22
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and. OK, OK, It's not just me, OK?
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But it's called adulting. It's called adulting.
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And I, I got to give it. Your kids, truthfully, Michelle,
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are so lucky. They, they, they don't
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understand how lucky they have it.
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You know what I'm saying? Because because they get to go
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to college, they get a lot, a lot of their, everything's
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really taken care of by you guys.
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You guys are fortunate enough that you've got the resources
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and so so I like what you said. For you and me as kids, we could
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never rely on our parents like that.
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Like it was opposite for me. Like I had to bail my parents
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out of situations. So yeah.
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Well, I we. Never had that sense of security
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for either. One, those weren't even those
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weren't even options for me. No, as a as a there was, you
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know, I do. And this I write about it.
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I don't think I wrote about it in my book but my feelings many
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so many years ago when I was 18 years old I had my my
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grandparents who never took care of us.
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My grandparents lived in Burbank, WA.
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They never took care of us and I remember one time going to visit
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them and I asked them to borrow 600 bucks when I was like 8 when
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I was like 18 years old and and my grandparents told me no.
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Oh damn, and and and my grandparents are wealthy.
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OK or or well off. So they had the money they like.
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And they, you know, it wasn't like.
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They couldn't afford to give you.
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That and they said you got yourself into the mess, you get
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yourself out of the mess. Yikes.
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And so from that moment on, guess what?
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I have never asked anybody forever in life.
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Money. It, it burns so much in, it
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burns so much into my, my psyche that that it was like, I refuse.
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I refuse. That's why you've never heard me
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ever ask any. But you know what I'm saying.
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I won't do it. Oh no.
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I've never heard you. Ask anyone for money.
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I will never do it. I just, I absolutely won't do I,
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I could be destitute because that hurt my feelings so much.
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Number one, they had the resources.
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Right. You know, and then I thought,
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oh, is that and then, and then I just went, oh, is that how it's
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going to be in life? And so I took it that way.
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And so I, I love that you guys are going to step up and take
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care of it. Now going back to I like what
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you said, what are the consequences?
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What's the lesson? And and it's the same with Kyron
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as well. Don't take it for granted that
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he learned the lesson. Great.
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But you know what I'm saying? I mean, so is, is there, do you
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guys have a plan to make and pay back the money or, or, or what?
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I mean, what do you guys, what are you guys thinking?
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Yes, we've discussed that I'm on the train that once he gets it
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out of college and he gets a job, he can make monthly
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payments, whether that's like 20 bucks a month or whatever it is.
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But Jay is at the point in his life where he's like, and he
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grew up completely different than me.
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He is saying, well, my parents bailed me out numerous times
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growing up. And so I feel like, and we've
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also recently had a, a death in the family.
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And so I feel like all those things colliding, he's kind of
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like, you know what, in the grand scheme of it, it just
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isn't worth it to like, let's just pay it and move on is kind
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of his attitude. So we're kind of normally we
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align when it comes to parenting.
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So this is different. And I'm kind of with you on that
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because yeah, I'm, I'm kind of with you on that because on one
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hand, you don't want what happened.
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No, I still, I still love my grandparents, don't get me
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wrong. But, but, but, and, and I and I
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don't, and I don't hold any resentment about them not giving
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me the money. Like 100%.
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That's their choice. I was 18 years old.
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But but I'm curious like you said, but they.
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Could have let you borrow the money and then like, hey, but
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you're going to pay back XYZ, yeah.
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I mean. You're going to whatever.
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Right. So, but so, yeah, so I'm, I'm
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like you, I'm kind of torn on one hand, you know, like I, I
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kind of agree with Jay. Like, well, here, here's your
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Gimme. I'm going to give you a Gimme.
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I'm going to get, I'm going to get you, I'm going to get you,
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I'm going to get you a Gimme. So, yeah.
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And and don't do it again. And maybe then maybe and, and,
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and some people, the lesson is learned that one time.
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So he may, he might, you may never have another issue.
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He learned his lesson and it'll never happen again.
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On the other hand, what if it's a repetitive situation and then
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you're like, OK, now we now we cannot no longer help you out of
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these these different situations.
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So yeah, this is a no one. As they always say, parenting is
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hard. No, there's no manual.
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There never has been. There's no manual.
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I will tell the greatest joy from my son Logan.
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Many years ago, he asked to borrow 600 bucks and to be
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unlike my grandparents, I gave Logan the $600.00.
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Now I never in that process, I just gave him $600.00.
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I never once said I want it back.
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I, I never said anything to him about the 600 bucks.
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And then three months later I go to visit him in Clarkston and,
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and we're driving to go get some food and he's like, oh, when you
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stop by the bank, I said, oh, OK, we stop by the bank.
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He goes in, comes out, hands me 600 bucks and I go and I go,
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what, what's this for? And he goes, well, didn't I
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borrow $600.00 from you? Now mind you, I didn't ask about
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it. I.
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Right. You didn't.
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You just knew. You kind of wrote that money off
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like, you know, especially family, like your children
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family, anybody you kind. Of know my son that's about.
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That money's gone no matter what they say.
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That money, you could just write it off.
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You're not saying that money again?
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They're only because I'm only because I'm a poor disc jockey.
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There are there are few people I would actually lend money to or
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give money to, right? And Logan being my my son.
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Oh, definitely. Yeah, but but it's a few, it's a
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small, it's a small circle. And I I want to say the best
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lesson I ever learned from our old boss Cheryl.
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Well, she said this. Those that she would lend money
21:29
to never ask. And those and those that and
21:34
those that she wouldn't lend money to ask all the time.
21:37
Always ask. Him.
21:39
And I always thought that. I thought that was good.
21:41
So, yeah, I don't know what I don't on this particular
21:43
situation. I almost kind of, I'm kind of,
21:46
I'm going to kind of, you know, it's going to shock you.
21:48
I'm going to side with Jay on this one.
21:50
That does surprise me because I thought you'd be like you.
21:52
No, I'm going to chimp you. No, I'm going to give, I'm going
21:56
to give him. I'm going to give him a Gimme.
21:57
I'm going to, you get, you get a Gimme, I think.
21:59
I think you get a Gimme this time around.
22:02
But but don't worry, I'll be watching like a hawk.
22:06
Next time around. Well, there is no, there is no,
22:09
there is no the guy, the guy on Shark Tank, Kevin O'Leary, who
22:13
is Mr. Wonderful, they call him on shark.
22:15
Tank. I yes, we don't like his
22:17
politics. I don't like no.
22:18
We don't, but I like. What he said one time, he says
22:22
anybody in his family gets gets one one chance to to get money
22:27
from him and they get to ask one time, one time and one time
22:31
only. Once he does it one time and one
22:33
time only, they're to never ask for money ever again.
22:37
Damn, I thought that was could it be?
22:38
Like any amount of money though, Like hey, I need like, well,
22:41
he's 5 million. Well, I mean, I'm sure it's
22:45
whatever reasoning there is, but but I thought it was interesting
22:48
that he said that that's his rule of thumb with his family
22:50
members is you get to ask for money one, one and one time
22:53
only. And then that's that's it.
22:55
And it's interesting you bring that up so many years ago.
23:00
Megan's grandmother is her grandma.
23:03
Yeah, it's her grandmother. Very well off the Weiner farm,
23:07
very well off. So every year, because they're
23:10
so wealthy or she's so wealthy, she'd have to disperse money
23:13
from her accounts like you have, like if you're, if you are that
23:17
wealthy for a, a tax or whatever you're doing.
23:20
So one year she gave all the grandkids $10,000 each.
23:26
Damn. But she did not give Megan
23:29
$10,000 and she did not give Megan $10,000.
23:34
And she later found out or I think she asked her grandmother
23:38
or whatever was when Megan was in college.
23:41
Her grandmother had helped her on, on occasions when things,
23:46
you know, whatever, whatever it was, the grandmother helped her
23:49
out. And so the grandmother says,
23:51
well, I already gave you, I already gave you $10,000.
23:55
Was she keeping track like. I don't know, I just keep track.
23:59
I just know that she says I already helped.
24:01
I already helped you through college.
24:02
I gave you, I gave you money through college and the other
24:06
kids didn't get anything. You know, now, now the the cool
24:11
thing about Megan's family too, Michelle is they're like,
24:14
they're like your kids. They're all geniuses.
24:18
So, so her cousin is a doctor. Well, there's well, there's
24:22
multiple, well, there's multiple doctors.
24:24
There's not just there's just not one or two doctors.
24:26
There are multiple doctors. Her, her, her, her cousin is a
24:32
well, actually multiples of her cousin are all are doctors.
24:37
Like it's crazy. It's they're, they're just so
24:41
her, her her uncles, well, her dad as well.
24:44
They're brilliant. I mean, they're, they're
24:46
geniuses. So, so her uncle, her uncle
24:49
works for, works for Hanford. He's a doctor of economics.
24:53
And then, and then their daughter is a biologist and
24:56
she's a doctor. And so they're all these
24:59
brilliant little geniuses running around.
25:01
And so it's like, yeah, so I bet you can relate to her, her
25:05
family more than my family, which are all criminals.
25:08
And so. So, yeah, I'm going to go with
25:13
Jay on, on the Gimme. I mean, I do.
25:15
I'm like you still. I feel like man there should be
25:16
something, but I am curious, did he ever tell you what he spent
25:20
the $1600 on? No, he'll be home for his spring
25:25
break next week. And so I'll talk to him in
25:29
person more about it because when I try to talk to him over a
25:32
text message, a lot of times he doesn't answer me, which means
25:36
like I don't want to, I want to talk to you about this.
25:40
So but if he's like right in front of me, he isn't going to
25:42
have a choice and he'll answer me.
25:44
So now. I will tell you this, and Kyron
25:46
is the exact same way. They're the same age and they
25:49
avoid you basically. And I and I'm like, and I'm like
25:52
you, it's like, hey, we might give, we're going to give you a
25:55
Gimme. We're going to give you a Gimme,
25:57
but we're going to dress you down in the Gimme.
25:59
You know what I'm saying? You don't just get to, you don't
26:01
just get to sweep it under the carpet.
26:03
You're going to sit your butt down and you're going to tell us
26:05
the reasoning why this all occurred.
26:08
Like what did you spend it on? What happened?
26:10
What was your Yeah, I mean, you know, it might be some strip
26:12
clubs, you know, whatever, you know, whatever.
26:15
Jackson. I'm just saying that at least I
26:18
think that that that a stern A stern talking to her.
26:21
Why? Why you felt you needed to hide
26:24
it? What's the reasoning there?
26:27
And you and I can relate to this a lot because the Wallaces, when
26:32
I talk about them, they made me ashamed of myself and all these
26:36
different things when I was growing up there.
26:38
And so I hid, I hid a lot of things from them or I refused to
26:42
tell them a lot of things. And and so there.
26:45
And so when you talk about interesting, we talk about
26:47
Jackson be ashamed of something or, you know, you're always
26:50
like, well, where did that come from?
26:52
And then, and then he might go, well, I heard Mom and Dad
26:54
talking about X and I knew that if this ever happened.
26:57
And that's where that shame or that reason.
26:59
What? Yeah.
27:00
What? Where's the reasoning?
27:03
Again, like we said, you know, we pay for everything, his
27:07
apartment, like everything. And I so I think that's where
27:10
Jay and I are kind of baffled. Like what?
27:13
Like what made you think you couldn't come to us?
27:15
And you wouldn't pay like I. Struggled and I've been trying
27:20
to deal with this on my own but it's out of hand now and I need
27:23
your help and that's all. Like you could have just said
27:25
that and it would have been like, OK.
27:27
And and what and what in your childhood make you even you know
27:30
what I'm saying it it you know, for me, it's easy.
27:32
My grand my grandparents said no.
27:33
OK, well, fine. I, I can that, you know, I'm
27:36
never asking, you know, but that's my own personality.
27:39
Right, I mean, he probably because he knew what he that
27:44
just getting in debt like that was wrong.
27:47
And so probably like just that guilt of knowing like, OK, like
27:51
I messed up and now I'm going to have to face the music.
27:55
But I'm also going to get talk to about it because, you know, a
27:58
lot of kids don't like to have like a talk about anything.
28:01
And so that's the only thing I can think of because I mean, we
28:04
never would have, we never would have been super harsh on him.
28:09
I mean, you have to talk to them and try to teach them a lesson
28:12
in this or make sure that you know, it.
28:15
Like it's really sunk in as to what you have done and the
28:19
consequences behind it as far as like his credit and all that
28:22
kind of stuff. Make sure that they understand
28:24
that because it's not just that you didn't pay this bill.
28:27
Like this is going to affect you.
28:29
Like I said, 7 to 8 years down the road or to be able to get an
28:32
apartment, buy a car. He has mommy and daddy ready to
28:36
cosign, so don't. Don't again.
28:40
Again, he's not as he's not as affected as you and I would have
28:43
been at that age. Oh yeah, we would have been.
28:46
There's no way we had. No one would have been shut up a
28:48
Creek without a paddle that you know, it'd be it'd be it'd be
28:51
game over. You're toast, man, You're up,
28:53
you're upside down. So the nice thing it it is that
28:57
he and I think that that that is I think that's the message I
29:02
would always send is like you. Do you realize how lucky you are
29:06
that your mom and dad have resources and these different
29:08
things to help you out of these situations?
29:10
And we don't want you to get into those situations again.
29:13
And we're just trying to keep, you know, teach you good, good,
29:16
you know, ways to deal with money, so.
29:18
Money. Responsibility.
29:19
Yeah. And he sees that with some of
29:21
his college friends because their parents, they have to work
29:25
multiple jobs and go to school full time just to pay for their
29:29
apartment. And his friends, right?
29:30
His friends. Not his friends, not his friends
29:33
parents, But their friends have got it, yeah.
29:34
Great. His friends are working multiple
29:36
jobs, going to college full time, trying to balance that
29:39
load because that, like, their parents can't help them pay for
29:42
the apartment. So he sees that he is lucky in
29:45
that regard. So yeah.
29:48
Well, it'll be. I can hardly wait for the update
29:51
on that conversation. Once he comes home for spring
29:54
break. Yeah, that's right.
29:56
And then he's like, yeah, again, I'm just curious where he spent
29:59
the money, like. Yeah, yeah, me too.
30:01
What has Kyron done that's similar?
30:04
Oh my God, do you really want to say that?
30:06
You know, so we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll capsulize this so.
30:11
Same as. Jackson and he was notorious for
30:15
it wasn't just once, it wasn't twice, 3 or 4 times.
30:19
He was notorious for playing games when he was 11 or 12 and
30:22
he would buy coins and it was linked to his mom's credit card.
30:26
And one time I had bought a game or something for him, I don't
30:30
know what it was. He was linked to my credit card
30:33
and it was 160 bucks for for coins.
30:36
And I and I, I made Megan give me 160 bucks.
30:39
I was not, you know, yeah, I was like, yeah, we don't, we don't
30:43
play that. I don't play.
30:44
I don't play that game. And so he was notorious for
30:48
that. And then so gosh, I'm just
30:53
trying to think of these different things.
30:54
So he like just last week, this is a crazy story last week he
31:00
has this car that he loves so much and and it's his baby.
31:04
And so it got it got rear-ended in a parking lot.
31:09
Now he didn't do it, but it got rear-ended.
31:11
So instead of calling his insurance, which he's got full,
31:14
I mean it's through his mom, he's got full, full coverage.
31:17
He decided that he would drive to Vancouver and pick up the
31:19
part because he's like, well, I can fix the bumper myself.
31:22
Well, on the way back from Vancouver, guess what happened?
31:26
He got, he got into an accident. So, so he had the bumper, the
31:31
new bumper in the back of the car then and his, as his mother
31:35
said, well, you are probably speeding anyway.
31:37
He was near Portland. Well, he's a fat, he got caught
31:41
doing 120 miles an hour outside of Richland.
31:44
So yeah, so feed is, is, is an issue with him.
31:48
And so he was coming out of Portland and somebody braked
31:52
hard and he swerved. He did not hit them, but he hit
31:55
the the concrete barrier. Was he?
31:58
OK. Fine, Yeah, he's fine.
32:00
He smashed up his front end of his car and the side.
32:04
Anyway, he gets So he comes home and and he goes to bed and it's
32:10
a Sunday and I get up, I'm taking out the trash and I'm
32:12
like, what the hell happened to his car?
32:14
So I go to his mom, you know, 8:00 in the morning, I'm like,
32:18
Kyron's car's all beat the shit, what the hell?
32:20
And she's like, well, he hasn't said anything.
32:22
So Kyron slept all day like it, you know?
32:27
Right. Like a kid.
32:28
Yeah. Exactly 22 years old and then
32:31
and then he and then he gets up his mom's like what happened to
32:33
your car? Oh, do do do do do you know?
32:36
And she goes, what you didn't call the insurance company goes,
32:38
no, I can fix it. I can fix it.
32:40
So when a couple days and we're like you better call the
32:45
insurance company. Right.
32:47
So I'm so the good news, the insurance, it's GEICO, they
32:49
came, they picked up the car, it's gone.
32:52
You know, it'd probably be total out, but I was always taught,
32:54
man, any accident and you have insurance, guess what you're
32:57
doing. Right away you you just do it on
33:00
your phone. In that app you could submit a
33:03
claim. He puts he puts every so he had
33:06
an issue where he got he got overpaid unemployment, yeah,
33:11
overpaid unemployment. And then he no.
33:14
And and so they kept sending these notices and and it's 300
33:18
and some dollars. I'm like, dude, pay it, pay it.
33:21
And finally he got a final notice saying hey, we're just
33:23
going to garnish you. We're just going to take.
33:24
We're just. Right, this is like the state.
33:26
I would not be messing with this right like that.
33:28
So these are the so so his bad habit is if he doesn't, I guess
33:33
if he doesn't think about it, it just goes away and and he gets
33:38
out a lot from his mother. So the interesting thing about
33:42
him and his mom, they're so much alike when it comes to debt and
33:46
money that that and then Logan is crazier than me in terms of
33:53
like Logan refusing. He isn't going to debt like,
33:57
like he's 31 years old and he has zero like 0 like and he
34:02
refuses. I'm like, dude, you need to go
34:04
to college, you need to get a degree, you need to do
34:06
something. And Logan's like, you know, he
34:10
won't, he won't do it. He's not letting, he's not
34:15
letting the big man get any of his money.
34:17
None well, he's just not doing any of it.
34:19
So I mean, on one hand, you can be like, OK, I mean I could say
34:23
OK, my kids 31 years old and has absolutely zero debt.
34:28
Like he has none, zero and he refuses to go into he refuses to
34:31
go into debt. So then you've got you've got
34:33
Megan and Kyron who to to them debt is a kind of like AI don't
34:38
know they it's it's like I don't like I don't having been poor.
34:42
I don't I don't like to be in debt.
34:43
I just hate it. I hate it.
34:45
I hate to be indebted to anybody.
34:46
So it's interesting that the two different boys on how they on
34:52
how they do it. But yeah, so I think Jackson and
34:55
Kyron are very similar. Yes, which is funny because the
34:59
other three kids are very money conscious and Matthew's the
35:03
tight wad. Benjamin is very financially
35:06
smart. Like he has the mindset of like
35:09
my money should be working for me, not the other way around.
35:13
And so he which he was doing really well in the stock market
35:16
a while ago. And then Shaylee's like a tight
35:19
wad too, like she refuses to buy new clothes or even ask us for
35:23
money to help her buy clothes. And I'm like, girl, like we'll
35:26
buy you some clothes, you know. So the other three are pretty
35:31
level added when it comes to this.
35:33
So I don't I don't know what happened.
35:35
I. Don't Yeah, again, I don't know
35:36
where you know, I guess I just don't know where that that comes
35:39
from. And, and, and I get, you know,
35:42
and, and we, I've had this conference, Megan, you know,
35:46
Megan has that's, I think if we fight about anything, it's,
35:50
it's, it's probably financial more than anything else because
35:54
there have been, there have been multiple times in our
35:56
relationship where she's come to me and go, hey, I'm, you know,
36:00
I've got, I'm in too deep. Can you help out?
36:02
So then we, we refinance the house or we, we, you know, get a
36:06
HELOC loan. So I've done that multiple times
36:11
in our relationship to where I'm bailing her out.
36:14
So that may be too much information, but it's like, but,
36:18
but it's like, but it's, I look at it like outside of food,
36:23
food, transportation, a roof over my head, there's absolutely
36:27
nothing that I need. Everything just wants.
36:32
Yeah, I mean, everything else is everything else is wants.
36:34
And and so it's one of those things where it's like if you
36:37
got the money, great. And if you don't have the money,
36:40
you know, and, and, and Megan is much more like, I just, I just
36:44
want to go get that now. So it's been it's been a it's
36:50
been a in our relationship. It's a balancing act.
36:52
I don't know about you and Jay. But yeah, it was, I think for
36:56
me, like being poor, we're like, we're the opposite as far as
37:02
because I didn't, I didn't have it now.
37:04
Like I want it for myself and I want it for my children, where
37:08
Jay was the opposite, where he was like spoiled and got
37:12
anything and everything that he wanted.
37:14
Like it would take them all day to open Christmas presents, like
37:17
that kind of life. And so just finding that balance
37:23
between the two of us because I will be like, oh, I, you know, I
37:27
want this because I didn't have that right resources growing up.
37:32
And so now I'm like, OK, well, I would like this.
37:35
But thankfully I've gotten a little bit better about raiding
37:37
myself in. So that is how I mean most
37:40
couples get divorced over finances so I know but.
37:44
But again, like you said, what I mean, I, I don't know, it's
37:48
like, it's like, and, and I'm sure we've talked about this in
37:51
the podcast before, it's like what, what is the desire to have
37:54
a boat and a, and a camper and $70,000 rig?
37:58
I mean it who, who? I mean, I guess who are you
38:01
doing those things for? You know I.
38:05
Mean if it's not yourself or is it too for?
38:08
Like. Keeping up with the Jones's
38:10
attitude. I don't know if they're a former
38:13
friend of yours or are they a friend of yours, but you have a
38:16
friend or used to be a friend of yours.
38:18
A. Former A former friend and who?
38:19
You're talking about, I know, Yeah, that that that my mind was
38:23
always blown by that person, by it.
38:27
I looked at like this. It didn't matter who she was
38:29
married to or who she was going to be with.
38:31
There's no there's no amount of anything that would satisfy her
38:35
from a financial standpoint. Is that a fair statement?
38:38
No, that's a pretty fair statement, yeah.
38:41
You know, so, so it's one of those dogs.
38:45
Breed too. No, I think, I think we always
38:49
cut this show about the time I think the FedEx or the the the
38:53
post office guy comes by. So it's like so and and she does
38:58
she not well, she's an only child, but she comes from a
39:00
wealthy family, or at least she's.
39:02
Not an only child, she has a step sister so that's.
39:04
Not oh, OK, but but the but she's not she didn't come from
39:07
poverty or she's not poor. Or she has a half sister.
39:10
Sorry, half sister. OK, no, like her parents are
39:12
very well off. But but, and, and then let's,
39:15
and then I, and this is not to chastise any job because I
39:19
believe everybody's important on the planet.
39:21
If you work at Walmart, you're important.
39:23
If you're a janitor, you work at Walmart.
39:25
But her taste did not align with what she does for a living.
39:29
No. Or am I or am I wrong?
39:32
Maybe she's, maybe she is an incredibly over overpaid
39:37
whatever she does for a living. You're not wrong, So.
39:40
OK, right, right, right. It's not.
39:43
So here's a person that makes maybe a little over minimum
39:46
wage. Yeah.
39:48
But but yet their lifestyle and what they expect and so who?
39:54
Who funds that? Is it their parents?
39:55
Who funds that? A lot of that.
39:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as like when I was around
40:00
that, that's how it was so. Yeah.
40:02
I mean, I mean, they had a $5000 picture that was paint.
40:06
I mean I'm sure they burns it at the end of the marriage, but
40:09
remember over the mantelpiece. Yeah, I said.
40:11
Do you? Remember the picture?
40:13
Yes, canvas photo. That thing was 5 grand. $5000
40:17
because the ex-husband told me that was 5 now the parents.
40:22
The parents bought it. Well, that's not surprising.
40:25
OK, Yeah. So, so and, and that and that,
40:28
and that's why they broke up because he and I talked and I
40:31
just said, and they had what they had brand new house, new
40:34
cars, both, both driving new cars and, and, and then, and
40:40
then she wanted to cheat on him because some guy had some Louis
40:43
Vuitton purses or whatever. I mean, that's how it's, I don't
40:47
know if that's fair. I I shouldn't, you know.
40:50
That's the side you got, Yeah, Yeah.
40:53
Am I getting the wrong side OK? I didn't say that, I just said
40:57
that was the side you got so. Well, I just know that that's
40:59
the side of well, you know, well, when someone lays out, I
41:02
mean, I guess, I guess I can kind of relate if you laid out
41:05
Action Comics, Detective Comics, you know, in front of me and,
41:09
and said, Hey, you. Get Spider man #2.
41:12
Spider man #2 I guess if I, if I met a woman that had all those
41:17
comic books and laid them on her bed and said, you know, if you
41:20
come be with me, look at what you're going to have.
41:23
Yeah, that Megan. See you, Megan.
41:28
Got to go like Megan who? Yeah.
41:30
Megan who? Megan who?
41:31
So. So I mean is, I mean, that's the
41:34
story I kind of sort of heard in that in that, or at least that
41:38
was a portion of it. I mean, that's not anyway, and
41:40
that's not to that's not to make fun of it.
41:42
It's just, it's just interesting how you know, I don't.
41:47
People work, you know. How people, how people work and
41:50
anyway that that marriage blew up, it's over and.
41:53
Yeah, that didn't. That was 2.
41:55
Years. I just want to I just want to
41:57
say, and this is the first one of the times I'm not dropping
42:00
names. All I know is did I not call red
42:03
flags from the start? Yeah, Yeah, you did.
42:06
Thank you. Yeah, I.
42:08
Called that one to that guy, did I not?
42:10
Yeah. I said there is no amount of
42:12
money that you're going to make that's ever going to satisfy
42:15
that person. And he gave up.
42:17
He gave up a lot. Remember, remember he wouldn't,
42:21
I'm going to joke about this, but he wouldn't got a real job.
42:25
He wouldn't got a real job, but he had you because he was never
42:29
going to satisfy that wants of that person and that thing only
42:33
lasted a year and a half. I.
42:34
Was going to say it didn't even last two years.
42:36
Well, their marriage anyway. Like.
42:38
Yeah, no, I mean they are so. And it was.
42:40
And again, it was like you, you can't satisfy.
42:43
That person. So no, No.
42:45
So all right, well, I'm curious when when Jackson gets back.
42:47
That's going to be fun. So I'll I'll, I'll keep you up
42:50
to date on the Chiron car situation again, the car car got
42:54
if it gets. Totaled out and.
42:56
He's already decided that he wants another car just like it.
42:59
So but but he starts it. But here's the crazy thing.
43:02
So we had GAP Insurance on this car.
43:04
All right. So, so, but it's not, and I told
43:07
Megan, I said, well, it's not like the, it's not like they're
43:10
going to give him money like like he totaled the car or if
43:14
the car is totaled, it's it's done.
43:17
GAP Insurance only covers the car.
43:19
Like you walk away, you walk away with 0.
43:23
Yeah. And then you have to go buy and
43:25
you have to go buy another car. Right.
43:28
Yes. So interesting.
43:31
And we're trying to, and so I think this next round, well,
43:36
he's on Megan, Megan. So, so when we got insurance for
43:39
Kyron, I, I was, I don't know if I refused, but it was cheaper.
43:45
It was cheaper for them to get a policy for themselves than it
43:49
was to put Kyron on my policy. OK.
43:52
So, so, so in our house, Megan and I are on are on my, I pay
43:57
for that insurance. So her car and my car are on the
44:01
same insurance. Then Kyron's car is on a
44:04
different insurance company and, and it's Megan and Kyron.
44:09
And for some crazy reason, the insurance company put my name on
44:13
it too. So yeah, I think because it like
44:17
you said, because of credit scores and.
44:20
Yeah. Things like that.
44:21
I'm thinking, yeah, so anyway, so with this recent wreck and
44:26
he's almost what 23, which still 25 is the cut out.
44:29
You know, I'm saying you start getting cheaper rates of 25,
44:31
right? She's she's really pushing hard
44:33
for him. You know, you go get your own
44:34
car and get your own insurance, right.
44:37
And with all this. Stuff, it's the it's not going
44:39
to matter when he turns 25 if he has all this stuff on his
44:43
record. Yeah, exactly, insurance wise.
44:45
So, yeah, yeah. So what?
44:48
Yeah. Wash.
44:49
Wash your hands. Wash your hands of it.
44:50
Now. I don't know about you,
44:52
Michelle. So you were dirt poor.
44:53
I was dirt poor. Yeah.
44:55
I'm ashamed about it today. And I and I, I'm glad I
44:58
survived, but I drove forever without insurance.
45:06
I paid my own insurance, so I had to get a job at like 1516,
45:11
OK. And in order to be able to
45:13
drive, I had to help pay insurance, pay for gas.
45:16
I also had to buy my own clothes.
45:19
And again, you figured this is like a part time job that you're
45:23
trying to hold down in school. So I mean, I'm sure there were
45:27
times that I didn't help pay for insurance, but for the most
45:31
part, if I didn't, I would have gotten my mom would have made me
45:35
feel super guilty about it. So I think I always had to,
45:38
like, make sure that I had enough money to pay at least
45:41
insurance, gas, whatever it was because I didn't want the wrath
45:45
of my mom. So yeah.
45:46
I, I talk about a family of criminals.
45:49
Well, I think I went, gosh, 1987 probably to 96 with no
45:54
insurance. Oh.
45:55
My. Goodness, yeah.
45:56
So it wasn't until I got to Seattle and was actually
45:59
starting to make a a decent wage and radio, and sadly what
46:03
happened was Pokey got pulled over and had to have it.
46:06
They call it an SR22 when you don't carry insurance or she
46:09
didn't have insurance on her at the time.
46:11
And so and so that's when we that's actually funny when we
46:15
finally got insurance, but I drove, what was that?
46:19
Almost 10 years. That is crazy.
46:22
No, I look back like you're, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I
46:25
wouldn't step out of the house today without insurance.
46:27
I mean, but, but, but, but I can relate to Jackson or Kyron.
46:33
The insurance was outrageous. Oh, even back then.
46:37
Even back then, even back then, the insurance back then the
46:40
insurance was $133, you know, for a piece of shit car.
46:45
I'm like, what? The the the car payment wasn't
46:47
even 100 and car payment was 119 and the, and the insurance was
46:50
133. I'm like, what the hell?
46:53
So so I went along. So I had my own, I had my car
46:57
repo D. So I mean, I have, I've had my
47:00
own share of stupid shit I've done.
47:03
Through the racks. What's that?
47:04
You've been through the ringer, too.
47:06
Well, So what happened was I bought this, I bought this 81
47:09
Honda Accord and I didn't put insurance on it.
47:12
And illegally you're supposed to put insurance on it.
47:13
Yeah. So the bank threw on the
47:15
insurance. They threw on the they don't put
47:18
on, remember, they don't put on liability, They put on collision
47:21
and and comprehensive, right? It's for the car.
47:25
So anyway, I stopped getting this is to show you how I can
47:28
relate to Jackson. I stopped getting the payment
47:31
book. So I paid on the car for three
47:32
years because it was a three-year loan, right?
47:34
Well, a new payment book never came.
47:37
So I would So being naive and Jackson, I'm like, well, I'm,
47:42
I'm like cars. I'm like the cars, the cars paid
47:45
off, right. Anyway, so I'm working down in
47:48
Idaho Falls. I'm working at two different
47:50
radio stations making 5 bucks an hour and one night I step out of
47:53
the radio station and the car's gone.
47:57
So so I call. So I call the police.
48:00
I'm like, hey. My car got stolen.
48:02
My car got stolen and the guy no your car got repo D so.
48:07
That's crazy. So anyway, so I had to go.
48:11
So I had to get 600 bucks number one to get apparently get the
48:14
payment caught up on the car, get the car out of Hock, all
48:18
these different things. And so I had to make a choice,
48:21
which I made a choice was either skip town, I mean get the car
48:24
and skip town because I was living in Idaho Falls at the
48:27
time. And guess what I did?
48:29
So I loaded up the car. I did not pay rent on the.
48:34
How? Yes, yes.
48:37
So I am a criminal. So I jumped in the car and
48:41
headed back to the LC Valley. And so they never, it never
48:44
caught up with me. You know, this was back in, this
48:46
was back in 1992, you know, But I left, I left the keys in the
48:50
mailbox and a letter saying sorry, you can't get blood from
48:54
a turnip. I got nothing.
48:56
I'm out of here. So, and they were probably like,
48:58
yeah, no point in taking this to court.
49:00
Like it's going to cost us more court fees to get anything out
49:04
of him. Well, and, and the good news is
49:06
this is this is night. And not that I'm saying that I'm
49:07
proud of it, but it's 1992 when there's no Internet.
49:11
Right. So they.
49:12
Track you down, the easy way to track.
49:14
You down? Oh, yeah.
49:15
Today. They'll find you today, yeah.
49:17
They will. Doing crap like that.
49:20
So, so, so I've had, you know, I've had some moments I've not
49:24
been proud of where I have, where I have broken the law
49:27
multiple times. I did also the same thing
49:29
happened to me, happened when I was going to College in Nampa is
49:34
I was depressed one day. So I decided to take my car for
49:37
a drive and I ran through a red line, a red, I ran through a
49:41
stop sign. I think I've talked about the
49:43
song Poison fallen Angel going on at the time.
49:47
Well, and I, I hit this Cadillac, so the sun was in my
49:51
eyes. I ran a stop sign, I totaled out
49:53
this Cadillac. So we both go to court.
49:56
Now luckily this was 1988 where insurance wasn't required in the
50:00
state of Idaho. So, so this guy, the guy that I
50:04
hit had no insurance and I had no insurance.
50:08
And so and so the judge just fined me for whatever it was and
50:11
attended driving whatever it was we had to go to court on.
50:14
And he goes, well, you both have no insurance.
50:16
So they that's up to you guys to solve and that's another
50:19
situation where I loaded the effing car and got out of town.
50:23
So there might have been a there might have been a bench warrant
50:26
in Canyon County in Idaho 30 plus years ago.
50:30
So things are. You Jackson, found out about it
50:33
now if that was the case, so. Yeah, we've been through, we've
50:36
been, we've been through that county multiple times, never
50:39
been pulled. Over and background checks for
50:40
our jobs. Yes, I mean, who knows?
50:42
Who knows? It was 1988.
50:44
What is that almost 40 years ago?
50:46
Still. So we'd still be sitting there
50:48
if it was. There, Jackson should not feel
50:50
bad for being a criminal. It's OK.
50:52
He's not a criminal yet. Not yet, not yet, but but, but,
50:57
but we've all been down this road.
50:59
I've had collections before. Have you ever been to
51:01
collections? Yes, yeah.
51:04
No, I'm saying in our youth all this.
51:06
I mean, this is the point of growing up now.
51:10
Now when you're our age, you don't do this crap anymore.
51:13
No. You take, you're an adult, you
51:15
take care of that, you take care of business.
51:17
So. Yeah, yeah.
51:19
OK. Well, I wanna let's move on.
51:20
I wanna talk about something else.
51:21
We're almost like out of time, but I did want to.
51:25
Since you have been in the foster care system, I don't know
51:28
if you've heard about the story. So there was this 8-9 year old,
51:31
he was in the foster care system.
51:34
He needed a heart procedure. And so whoever was whoever was
51:39
his foster parent or whoever he was with, I don't know, they
51:43
took him to the hospital and just left him alone for this
51:46
heart procedure. And, and this is not just a
51:49
minor procedure because the procedure took like 8 hours
51:53
along. So this 8-9 year old, he's alone
51:56
by himself. The anesthesiologist like sees
51:59
all this happening. And so she already has six kids
52:02
of her own. She calls her husband and she's
52:03
like, hey, I need you to be open minded, but I want to like adopt
52:08
this kid. They end up adopting him then
52:11
come to find out he has like siblings like all like 5-6 other
52:16
siblings. So she convinces her sister to
52:18
adopt one, her sister-in-law to adopt another.
52:22
Then some friends adopt the other two and then they adopt
52:25
one more of his siblings. And so I was like Oh my God like
52:29
this is a great feel good story. But this is like the exception
52:34
though. Like, this usually doesn't
52:36
happen to kids in the system, you know?
52:38
Usually they're moved around from home to home abuse.
52:41
And then when they're 18 or 18 or even earlier, they're just
52:45
out. They're out.
52:46
Yeah, they're 1617. They're just tossed to the
52:49
wolves. But it's like, who leaves an 8-9
52:52
year old alone in a hospital for like a major procedure?
52:57
Like this is a major heart procedure that this little kid
52:59
had to have. If it took that long.
53:01
They didn't say what it was, I don't think.
53:03
I'm guessing legally they couldn't say.
53:05
But still, I'm like damn, like this is craziness.
53:09
You. You, you really.
53:10
You do realize how many foster parents take a check for?
53:12
The check I mean for. Take the.
53:14
Take the money for it, take the check, take the check.
53:17
I mean, it's, it's, it's I, you know, and I'm not trusting me.
53:21
I know we're running out of time, so I'm not going to talk a
53:23
lot about it, but you know, it's like that.
53:25
It's despicable. And, and I don't know how you
53:26
solve that. I mean, it's, I mean, because #1
53:31
there's not enough foster parents.
53:32
And so then you're trying to place all these kids and, and so
53:36
it's like you're kind of at the mercy of, well, if, if a foster
53:39
family has 6 bunk beds, they will take in six kids, but
53:43
they're getting renumerated, they're getting paid for those
53:46
six kids. Right.
53:47
So, but I cannot believe that's a like what, what kind of, I
53:52
don't know. I mean wow.
53:53
I mean just wow. And and what?
53:55
And they were like what, 6 or 7 or 8?
53:57
Yeah, he was like 8 or 9. He was.
54:00
He was young. I mean, you know, not of an age
54:03
where he'd be fined by himself at the hospital for a procedure
54:06
like this. So.
54:07
Like he, well, he should never been left a long period.
54:10
No. You know, period, period.
54:13
And it's like, sure, we're spending trillions of dollars on
54:15
bombing another country. But but like you said, like what
54:19
is the answer though? Even like if we had the money,
54:23
like, what would that look like? Like, because like you said, if
54:26
there's not people available to take these kids in, then where
54:30
are they going besides like group homes, state homes?
54:33
And that's not any better. We know that for sure.
54:35
The crazy thing is, you know the majority of rich people don't
54:40
adopt children. Or the people against abortion
54:44
like out like picketing the abortion places.
54:47
It's like, how many kids have you adopted then?
54:50
Right, right. Well, it's the same thing.
54:52
And, and the sadness in all this is the the people who are more
54:55
most willing to be foster parents is generally the working
55:00
poor. Right, that don't have hardly
55:02
anything anyway. Yeah.
55:04
And so it's one of those things where they, you know, I mean,
55:06
it's better than, I guess it's better than no life, but it's
55:08
not much better. And, and it's, and, and then
55:13
people foster for so many different reasons And, and not
55:17
all, not all, not all are good, you know, and you know, with the
55:23
Wallaces, I talk, I mean, I, you know, me, I talk about that
55:26
incessantly. Was it, was it, I mean, we were
55:29
literally told to our face, no one wanted you, you know, and
55:34
look at me, I'm saving these 4 little kids that nobody wanted.
55:36
And I and I boldly said my, my foster parents wanted me.
55:40
What are you talking about? And she goes, you're a, you're
55:42
an arrogant, arrogant, arrogant child.
55:46
And I'm like, well, and, and my foster parents wanted to adopt
55:49
me. And at the time it was the early
55:51
80s and they were told that they were too old.
55:55
Which is bananas to me. It is like, that's crazy.
55:58
Yep, and so and so I always think about what could have been
56:03
if I was actually adopted. What your life would have looked
56:05
like if they would have let you stay with them.
56:07
I do have a story for you though, really quick before.
56:09
We tell you this, right? You've been a foster kid, so
56:13
read across America. Read across America is a thing
56:17
where you go, it's Doctor Seuss's birthday and you go to
56:19
schools and read, read stories to the kids.
56:22
So I so I got an invite to go to Mark Twain Elementary here in
56:26
Pasco, WA, right? So Patty and I go out there and
56:31
I'm at the front desk and outcomes their principal.
56:35
And the principal goes, I got to talk to Rick and I'm like, I
56:39
don't, I'm like, I don't even know who you are.
56:42
OK. And so he so he walks up to
56:44
Patty and myself, we're standing there and he goes, he goes, I
56:47
have to meet you, I have to take a photo with you.
56:50
And I said OK, anyway, come to find out, come to find out, he
56:55
is married to his mother-in-law, is one of my foster sisters.
57:02
That's. Crazy So, so and so he had heard
57:05
a billion years all about me, never met me.
57:08
And so we heard I he had heard I was coming to do this read
57:11
across America thing. So he so he came over, got a
57:15
photo and said I'm married. So so he's married to Corey,
57:19
which it would be. What is it?
57:20
So it's about it's a foster sister, but it's their daughter.
57:23
So I'm an uncle. I'm a foster uncle basically to,
57:27
to, you know, but, but Corey was a little girl, like she was
57:31
like, I was 8 years old. So she was probably what, 4-5,
57:36
you know? And so that's who she's married
57:38
to. She's this, she's married to the
57:40
principal. Anyway, he walked up and he
57:43
goes, he goes, I just got to talk about, he goes, I got to
57:44
talk about Bogan's Oasis. And I said, oh, it's just the
57:47
greatest place. And he goes, he goes, I didn't
57:50
prompt him. He just says he goes, I married
57:53
into the greatest family of all. And I said, I said, I know.
57:57
I said you got the gold standard.
58:00
He goes, yeah, I said, I said they're not, they're not real
58:03
people. And he laughed.
58:04
He goes, they're not. They are so kind, so nice, so
58:07
generous, the bogans. And he's married, he's married
58:10
into them, you know, and into and, and it's so it's the
58:17
Corey's grandparents. Corey's grandparents were my
58:20
foster parents. So.
58:22
So it's Corey's grandparents. And so it was just a great,
58:26
great reunion. I love that he walked out, but I
58:28
need to see, I need to see Rick take a picture.
58:31
And it made me feel so good. And so, and I said, well, I
58:34
said, well, I, I said I need to friend Corey on Facebook because
58:38
I don't think I have her as a friend.
58:39
Well, I did have her as her friend.
58:41
I didn't realize it. I got home and then she sent me,
58:44
she sent me the most amazing letter saying, Hey, I heard you
58:46
ran into my husband. And she goes, she goes, I sure
58:48
miss my grandpa, my grandpa and my grandma, you know, and she
58:52
goes, she goes, I've got a photo of you pushing me in a wagon or
58:56
pulling me in a wagon. She goes, I've got to get this
58:58
photo to you sometime. So, so it's the greatest.
59:02
So anyway, it was just that the, the for me, that just the, the
59:06
wonderful feelings I get when I'm approached about, about the
59:11
bogans. And then when someone, I love it
59:13
when people reiterate everything I've been saying, you know, it's
59:17
the great, it is the greatest feeling of all that it's not
59:20
just me going, Oh, they're the, you know, because you don't
59:22
believe it when one person says it.
59:25
Right, but. When?
59:26
You go, was I just little and imagining that?
59:31
Was this like in my head better than what it was?
59:34
And then when other people are reaffirming that, then you're
59:37
like, OK, I was, I was right. I was, you know.
59:40
That was my. Imagination or.
59:42
One hundred 100%. And I know when I, when I sadly,
59:45
when I'd run to my own siblings, you know, we were at my mom's
59:48
funeral and they, they all walked up and, and I think one
59:51
of my siblings said goes you, you do realize you got the best
59:56
foster parents that any, because all the, because remember, all
59:59
my siblings had different foster parents.
1:00:01
We had all different foster parents and, and they go you,
1:00:04
you, you had the best. And you know, so I understand
1:00:08
that. So I'm glad, I'm happy for that
1:00:10
little boy. I'm happy for the family.
1:00:12
That's probably an amazing family.
1:00:14
So I guess we can end it with a very happy story there, huh?
1:00:18
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