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The Kenny Report | 19 January · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Prime time opinion on sky Ing Inzoskrodia starts now live
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Speaker 1: from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Kenny Report for twenty twenty six, where
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Speaker 3: I promise you I'll be even more forthright, more robust
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Speaker 3: and more demanding of our leaders than ever before. Because
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Speaker 3: tonight we'll look at the fallout from the Bondo Beach
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Speaker 3: Islamus terrorist attack that killed fifteen Australians last month, as
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Speaker 3: Parliament is recalled to honor the dead and the heroes
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Speaker 3: and consider new laws in response to the atrocity. I'll
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Speaker 3: have my say on the denials and the deflections of
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, and I'll talk to the oppositions, Jonathan
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Speaker 3: Dunham and Australian Jewish leader Alex Rivchin. I'll catch up
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Speaker 3: with a leading Australian Iranian dissident as the People's Revolution
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Speaker 3: in Iran meets deadly resistance. Another shark incident in Sydney
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Speaker 3: as a twelve year old boy for his life after
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Speaker 3: that Sydney Harbor shark attack yesterday. I'll get an expert
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Speaker 3: view on rising numbers of shark attacks. And our Stellar
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Speaker 3: Monday Panel is back with Gematon Uni and Caroline Russo
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Speaker 3: sharing their insights.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking like you.
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Speaker 3: I've been sickened, absolutely gut wrenched from the moment I
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Speaker 3: heard about what happened at Bondai thirty six days ago,
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Speaker 3: and I remain angry, increasingly angry and disgusted in fact
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Speaker 3: at the Albanezy government over the lead up and the response.
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Speaker 3: The government are culpable for the rise of Islamist extremism
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Speaker 3: in this country. They are culpable for the anti Semitic
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Speaker 3: hatred that has run unchecked since October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 3: because they were warned. They were warned repeatedly, people pleaded
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Speaker 3: with them to act, but instead of acting, they denied
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Speaker 3: the problem, deflected, and what's worse, they threw fuel on
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Speaker 3: the flames by demonizing Israel and caving into the agenda
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Speaker 3: of the Islamist extremist terrorists of Hamas and Hezblaran Islamic
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Speaker 3: Jihad and the rest of this evil lot. And since
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Speaker 3: the massacre, all we've heard from Anthony Albanisi and Penny
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Speaker 3: Wong and the rest of this anti Israel cohort has
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Speaker 3: been talk about gun control laws and hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: Then they were dragged.
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Speaker 3: Kicking and screaming to holding a royal commission, and of
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Speaker 3: course their weak fullback of constantly talking about bringing the
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Speaker 3: country together. You have to protect the country to bring
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Speaker 3: it together. You have to fight the evil within it
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Speaker 3: before you can bring the nation together. Theirs, there's been
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Speaker 3: a political response, a cynical response, a deflection from the
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Speaker 3: real issues, a diversion from their own obvious failings. Failed
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Speaker 3: to confront evil, failed to show leadership against hatred. They
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Speaker 3: embarked on a monumentally dangerous move that rewarded terrorist groups
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Speaker 3: with diplomatic outcomes, and of course in the end there
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Speaker 3: was a fatal intelligence and security failure.
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Speaker 2: We have worn them often enough.
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Speaker 3: We have demanded commitment and action from them every day
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Speaker 3: for more than two years.
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Speaker 2: We've done it on this show.
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Speaker 3: We've plugged into experts here and abroad, and other experts
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Speaker 3: and commentators have also warned and pleaded and repeatedly along
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Speaker 3: with the Australian Jewish community, they've pleaded for action, and
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Speaker 3: of course that's also come. Those calls have also come
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Speaker 3: from the government of Israel and from our national leadership.
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Speaker 2: We got next to nothing.
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Speaker 3: Instead, we've ended up with an Islamist terrorist attack at
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Speaker 3: Bondo Beach that killed fifteen Australians. The hatred we kept
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Speaker 3: warning about delivering bloodshed on our precious shores. The first
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Speaker 3: time we demanded more action was on our first program
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Speaker 3: after October the seventh, when we saw the hate preachers
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Speaker 3: and others on a street corner in Sydney's Lukember celebrating
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Speaker 3: the slaughter of Israeli innocence and the government did nothing.
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Speaker 3: The next night we saw the sickening protest at the
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Speaker 3: Opera House, f the Jews, gas the Jews, where's the Jews?
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Speaker 3: Whatever you heard, it was the same message, and again
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Speaker 3: the government and authorities did nothing except keep Jewish Australians and.
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Speaker 2: The supporters away.
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Speaker 3: When you allow hatred to run unchecked, it festers, it metastasizes.
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Speaker 3: We knew that, That's why we pleaded for action from Albanisi.
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Speaker 3: There was nothing but mild, even insipid condemnation and from
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Speaker 3: the police, yes, only in action. Why didn't Albanesi go
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Speaker 3: to Lakember back then and tell these Muslim hate preachers
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Speaker 3: that their celebrations were unacceptable. Why didn't he ask Muslim
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Speaker 3: groups to work with him against this extremism. Why didn't
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Speaker 3: he do the same at the Opera House. Where was
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Speaker 3: his leadership? Why weren't police instructed to try to prosecute
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Speaker 3: these obvious incitements to hatred under existing.
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Speaker 2: Hate speech laws.
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Speaker 3: Why did it take media reports and demands before other
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Speaker 3: protesters were even charged over displaying terrorist symbols. Why did
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Speaker 3: much of the media and most leftist politicians talk down
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Speaker 3: the threat of anti Semitism and Islamists extremism and suggest
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Speaker 3: that people like us were exaggerating the threat. Why did
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Speaker 3: the Labor government, with some of its own members, marching
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Speaker 3: across the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
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Speaker 2: Why did it.
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Speaker 3: Pretend this was a march for peace when there were
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Speaker 3: chants for death to Israel and flags of terrorist groups
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Speaker 3: waived and a poster of the Supreme Leader of Iran
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Speaker 3: displayed for all to see. Even if most of the
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Speaker 3: media sens it out these extremist elements. Australians have been
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Speaker 3: let down. Jewish Australians have been abandoned, and even though
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Speaker 3: it was all so clear it was a slow motion
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Speaker 3: train wreck of.
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Speaker 2: Anti Israel bile.
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Speaker 3: Instead of combating this scourge, our own government caved into it.
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Speaker 3: Albanesian Wong recognized a Palestinian state a nonexistent state, thereby
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Speaker 3: giving Hamas and Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups the exact.
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Speaker 2: Response they wanted.
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Speaker 3: They slaughtered innocent Israelis, they took hostages, and they deliberately
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Speaker 3: ensured that many of their own Palestinian people would be
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Speaker 3: killed too. And what happened Australia and other countries demonized Israel.
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Speaker 3: Their evil Islamist terrorist plot played out just the way
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Speaker 3: they planned, thanks to useful idiots like Albanezi and Wong. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's why I'm angry, because I've been talking about this
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Speaker 3: in exactly these terms since October twenty twenty three, and
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Speaker 3: ALBANIZI knew what I was saying. He had the gul
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Speaker 3: to tell me he agreed with some of it, but
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Speaker 3: he did nothing. Here is some of what I said
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Speaker 3: on December the eleventh last year, just last month. It
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Speaker 3: was going to be my last editorial for twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: and I decided to focus on what I thought was
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Speaker 3: the greatest challenge confronting this country. Nowhere has it been
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Speaker 3: uglier than in the debate over the Middle East and
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Speaker 3: the way that's generated unprecedented levels of anti Semitism on
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Speaker 3: our shores. This was the targeting of a country and
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Speaker 3: by extension, its supporters. Here At its core, however others
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Speaker 3: try to dress it up, at its core was an
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Speaker 3: Islamist animosity towards June Use. Much of the media coverage
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Speaker 3: edited out all the ugly signs and the chance and
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Speaker 3: they tried to make it look like some sort of
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Speaker 3: mainstream movement for peace. Yet today again when talking about
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Speaker 3: andy Semitism, a scourge he's allowed to fester, a scourge
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Speaker 3: he's done far too little to confront. Over the past
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Speaker 3: two years, the Prime Minister couldn't mention anti Semitism without
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Speaker 3: the weasel words of false equivalents. Anti Semitism remains a
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Speaker 3: huge challenge for this country, will need to fight it
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Speaker 3: for years to come, and the Albaneze government is either complicit.
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Speaker 2: Or asleep at the wheel.
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Speaker 3: Little did I know, did I dare imagine that I'd
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Speaker 3: be back from leave four days after to host a
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Speaker 3: program from Bondai, where fifteen Australians, mainly Jewish Australians, were
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Speaker 3: killed in the nation's worst ever terror attack.
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Speaker 2: Not a Jewish massacre, an.
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Speaker 3: Alleged Islamist terrorist massacre of Australians, Australians targeted because they
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Speaker 3: were also Jewish.
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Speaker 2: It was worse than all our fears.
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Speaker 3: A ten year old girl slaughtered, aimed at and shot dead.
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Speaker 3: An elderly couple killed right at the start as they
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Speaker 3: bravely tried to prevent the horror unfolding. So many stories
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Speaker 3: of sacrifice and tragedy. You've heard so many of them.
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Speaker 3: A little feller from the footy team I coach running
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Speaker 3: from gunshots at his mates. Bar mitzvah, unthinkable horror. So
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Speaker 3: I won't be silent about the government culpability. I'm just
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Speaker 3: sorry we didn't make more noise.
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Speaker 2: Noise I mean, we warned them about.
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Speaker 3: This, night after night for months, for more than two years.
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Speaker 3: We said this was compromising national cohesion and security. Just
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Speaker 3: five months ago, the nation's longest serving foreign minister summed
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Speaker 3: up the Albanezi government's handling of them Middle East situation
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Speaker 3: like this.
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Speaker 4: This is a huge change in Australia's historic position in
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Speaker 4: foreign policy. We've gone from supporting a liberal democratic country
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Speaker 4: under siege from a terrorist organization and opposing that terrorist organization,
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Speaker 4: to supporting the terrorist organization and opposing the liberal democratic state.
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Speaker 4: This is an extraordinary thing for Australia to have done.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think in a way it is the
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Speaker 4: worst foreign policy decision Australia has made since the Second
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Speaker 4: World War.
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Speaker 3: What a shameful indictment of this country's foreign policy positioning.
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Speaker 3: But who could disagree with that assessment from Alexander Downer?
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Speaker 3: And people were then surprised when terrorist groups and their
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Speaker 3: ideological sympathizers around the world felt emboldened.
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Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: The Bondai massacre did not happened because of Lack's gun laws.
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Speaker 3: These people, as you know, will use guns, knives, box cutters, cars, buses, planes,
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Speaker 3: whatever they can. The hatred, the ideology is the problem.
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Speaker 3: The Bondai massacre didn't happen because of Lack's hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: Either.
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Speaker 3: Governments and authorities didn't even try to use the hate
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Speaker 3: speech laws we already have, and they failed to strongly
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Speaker 3: call out the hate speech that we kept seeing. The
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Speaker 3: Bondai massacre occurred in the context of Islamist extremism running
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Speaker 3: unchecked in this country. Yeah, there are hateful neo Nazis
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Speaker 3: and hard left any Semites as well, and they are
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Speaker 3: a problem. But the real and present danger remains Islamist
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Speaker 3: extremism and Jewish liberal MP Julian Lisa today highlighted how
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Speaker 3: it has not been properly tackled.
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Speaker 5: We must shut down the hate preachers and their extremist
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Speaker 5: prayer haul. We must prescribe his book to rear. In fact,
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Speaker 5: it should have been done years ago. We must jail
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Speaker 5: and expel the vile propagandists and their violence, and we
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Speaker 5: must be vigilant about those who seek to come to
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Speaker 5: this country.
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Speaker 3: This Islamists extremist hate, tragically and recklessly has been fueled
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Speaker 3: by media and political demonization of Israel and by extension,
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Speaker 3: of course, supporters of Israel and Zionists and all Jews.
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Speaker 3: Most of this demonization has been based on lies and
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Speaker 3: misinformation spread by Hummas out of Gaza, about deliberate targeting
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Speaker 3: of civilians, about deliberate starvation of civilians, about so called genocide,
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Speaker 3: all lies, all amplified by the media, and all endorsed
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Speaker 3: by too many politicians around the world, including our own government.
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Speaker 3: The truth matters, the truth hurts. Our government has let
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Speaker 3: us down and they must know it. That's why they
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Speaker 3: remain either deluded or in denial. Even the motion in
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Speaker 3: Parliament today, did not mention the problem, did not mention
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Speaker 3: the enemy, did not mention Islamists extremism, which is the
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Speaker 3: salient threat to Israel, to Jews, and to Australians and
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Speaker 3: to the West.
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Speaker 6: I moved that this House one tenders our nation's heartfelt
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Speaker 6: condolences to the families and loved ones of the fifteen
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Speaker 6: innocent people murdered at Bondi Beach on the fourteenth of
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Speaker 6: December twenty and twenty five. Two condemns the atrocity which
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Speaker 6: stole their lives, an act of terrorism deliberately targeted at
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Speaker 6: Australia's Jewish community gathering to celebrate the first Night of Harneka.
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Speaker 6: Three unequivocally condemns the evil of anti Semitism and vows
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Speaker 6: new action.
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Speaker 7: Who eradicated.
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Speaker 3: Much of this was fine sentiment stuff we could all
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Speaker 3: agree on, but the issue is not some nebulous concept
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Speaker 3: of anti Semitism. The main threat is quite specific Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 3: and the PM only got around to mentioning that vaguely
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Speaker 3: in this form.
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Speaker 6: Because the defining and enduring truth of that faithful Sunday
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Speaker 6: is not fear or bloodshed. It is not the cowardly
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Speaker 6: any Semitic evil of the terrorists, nor the murderous perversion
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Speaker 6: of Islam they took as inspiration. It is the courage
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Speaker 6: and kindness of people risking their own lives to save others.
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Speaker 3: You have to confront Islamist extremism. You can't pretend that
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Speaker 3: it will go away if you don't mention it. You
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Speaker 3: can't fight the defining national security threat of our time
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Speaker 3: if you're too timid to even utter its name. Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 3: Radical Islam is Islami's terrorism.
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Speaker 2: It's not a group or an organization.
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Speaker 3: It's a hateful ideology and it's become the ideology whose
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Speaker 3: name our government dares not to speak. We don't want
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Speaker 3: to demonize Muslims. We don't want to fight hatred with hatred.
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Speaker 3: Muslim Australians know that Islamist extremism is the problem. It
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Speaker 3: threatens their security along with ours. Muslim Australians are our
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Speaker 3: indispensable partners in combating this evil threat among us. But
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Speaker 3: instead of dealing in this reality, Albanezi went for gun
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Speaker 3: laws that might help and might not a new hate
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Speaker 3: speech laws that can create other problems. These proposals were
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Speaker 3: at least partly designed to create political problems for the
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Speaker 3: opposition rather than deal with the real threat.
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Speaker 2: And you can tell that just by listening to Labor.
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Speaker 6: The opposition seem to think that they can be fine
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Speaker 6: by just what they're against.
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Speaker 2: I want to know what they're for. She says.
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Speaker 7: The legislation is unsalvageable.
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Speaker 8: I think what is becoming increasingly clear is that it
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Speaker 8: is Miss Lee's leadership which is unsalvageable.
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Speaker 9: Any proposition being supported in their party room, frankly, is
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Speaker 9: difficult right now because they are so divided.
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Speaker 10: Please put the national interest and public safety before the
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Speaker 10: internal politics of the coalition parties. The coalition have got
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Speaker 10: to make a decision about whether they're prepared to work
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Speaker 10: with us or whether they're going to keep playing politics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Labor is focused on politics here. Imagine that fifteen
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Speaker 3: Australians did. And they want to use this as a
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Speaker 3: political dodge and a party political wedge. As I keep saying,
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Speaker 3: I have never been so angry and disgusted by our
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Speaker 3: political leadership. No wonder people are abandoning the major parties
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Speaker 3: in their droves. We need to make sure they do better.
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Speaker 3: The very future of our country is at stake. I
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Speaker 3: want to just share a couple of personal insights before
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Speaker 3: we go on. As it happens, I've been in Europe
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Speaker 3: with my family for the past couple of weeks, and
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Speaker 3: while I've been following events very closely back here, I've
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Speaker 3: been confronted time and again by similar debates and problems
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Speaker 3: in Europe, and of course the history of these deadly struggles.
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Speaker 3: In Munich, I visited the sites where the Nazis sewed
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Speaker 3: their hatred against the Jews, where the first steps towards
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Speaker 3: the Holocaust were taken, and of course where fifty four
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Speaker 3: years ago the Plos terrorist attack at the Olympic Games
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Speaker 3: ushered in the new tangling of the Palestinian cause with
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Speaker 3: Islamus terrorism.
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Speaker 2: The lessons are there to be learned.
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Speaker 3: We also visited our Switch and Berkenal, the killing factories
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Speaker 3: of the Holocaust, and other Poland no matter.
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Speaker 2: What you've read and what you've learned.
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Speaker 3: No matter the horrors that I've seen at the sights
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Speaker 3: of terrorist attacks in the past and in Holocaust museums,
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Speaker 3: nothing can prepare you for the sheer scale, the unimaginable
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Speaker 3: planning and deliberate implementation of this industrial scale extermination of
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Speaker 3: Jews and others. It challenges your concept of humanity. But
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Speaker 3: my takeout is this, it doesn't start with gas chambers.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't start with Islamist terrorism. It starts with hatred
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Speaker 3: running without resistance.
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Speaker 2: It starts with others allowing.
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Speaker 3: Hatred to fester. It starts with people not standing up
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Speaker 3: to hatred. It starts with political leadership either unwilling to
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Speaker 3: tackle hatred or prepared to try to pretend it away.
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Speaker 3: It's a lesson there for us, in ancient history, in
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Speaker 3: the history of the last century, in the history of
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Speaker 3: recent decades.
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Speaker 2: Years and weeks.
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Speaker 3: If we are to preserve this wonderful country of diversity, tolerance,
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Speaker 3: peace and opportunity, we need to wake up. Our leadership
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Speaker 3: needs to stand up. The alternative is too terrible to contemplate.
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Speaker 3: In Abu Dhabi, on the way home, we visited the
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Speaker 3: Grand moscoa beautiful place of worship, and there in the
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Speaker 3: entrance halls was a display from the Australian government no
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Speaker 3: less about Muslims in Australia, tragically trying to educate people
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Speaker 3: about our Muslim population, right at a time when the
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Speaker 3: whole world has learned that we have failed to defeat
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Speaker 3: Islamist extremism on our shores and we are paying a
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Speaker 3: very high price. But I want to give you some optimism,
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Speaker 3: to show you some hope.
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Speaker 2: So let me introduce you.
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Speaker 3: To a mainstream Australian I met this morning at Bondai junction.
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Speaker 3: I'm at a bloke called Stephen Davidson who told me
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Speaker 3: he supports the Jewish people of his area. And have
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Speaker 3: a look at the sign he's painted on his business.
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Speaker 3: Not in response to Bondai, but about eighteen months ago,
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Speaker 3: when he saw what was unfolding, he wanted to promote
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Speaker 3: that he was supporting the Jewish community, even if our
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Speaker 3: government couldn't see what was going on.
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Speaker 2: He wanted his support to be obvious. And have a
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Speaker 2: look at this.
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Speaker 3: Stephen showed me the Star of David he wears around
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Speaker 3: his neck insolidarity with his fellow Australians, fellow Australians who
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Speaker 3: happened to be Jewish. He's not Jewish, but he wears
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Speaker 3: that Star of David around his neck every day, good
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Speaker 3: versus evil, right versus wrong. Stephen gets it and he's
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Speaker 3: prepared to show it publicly. What a ripper Australian, or
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Speaker 3: as our Jewish friends would say, he's a mensch and
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Speaker 3: he shows us that there is.
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Speaker 2: Indeed cause for hope. Let's go to.
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Speaker 3: Canberra now and catch up with Shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Dunham. Thanks for joining us, Sir Jonathan. Good for
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Speaker 3: you to be with us. I want to ask you
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Speaker 3: first up about the bipartisan show of condolence and support
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Speaker 3: for victims and recognition of heroes today in Parliament. That
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Speaker 3: must at least have been worthwhile to see the Parliament
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Speaker 3: coming together for that.
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Speaker 11: Chris, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 9: It's the very least a national Parliament can do in
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Speaker 9: the wake of what is one of the most horrendous
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Speaker 9: events our country's experience, as we know, the largest terror
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Speaker 9: event on our soil in our history. But what's more,
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Speaker 9: the culmination of years of anti Semitic activity leading to this.
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Speaker 11: So I think it was the very.
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Speaker 9: Least we could do to show solidarity with a community
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Speaker 9: that's wounded so deeply by these terrible events.
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Speaker 11: It's the beginning of what we need to do.
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Speaker 9: There's a lot more needs to happen now and leadership
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Speaker 9: is required, and that's part of the reason why we
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Speaker 9: hear this week is to get underway and do what
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Speaker 9: actually needs to be done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have a look at the government accountability here
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Speaker 3: though as well. Surely given the warnings that have come
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Speaker 3: repeatedly for more than two years now from sure people
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Speaker 3: like myself, but also from security experts both here and overseas,
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Speaker 3: from some prominent members of your own coalition parties, demands
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Speaker 3: for the government to do more from of course, primarily
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community itself. Surely the Albanesi government is culpable
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Speaker 3: for what occurred at Bondi.
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Speaker 11: Well, of course they are.
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Speaker 9: They've been failed, and I would say that all of
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Speaker 9: us have failed. Frankly Jewish Australians, yes, we say the
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Speaker 9: right things, but here we are having just seen a massacre.
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Speaker 9: They are in government, Yes, they are responsible for decisions
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Speaker 9: they're made.
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Speaker 11: When Mike Burgess, when.
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Speaker 9: He lifted the terror threat level too probable, when indications
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Speaker 9: were given that the biggest threat was anti Semitism, then yes,
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Speaker 9: they should have made decisions around resourcing of intelligence and
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Speaker 9: security agencies, law enforcement as well to actually respond to
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Speaker 9: these problems.
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Speaker 11: Let me just jump in.
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Speaker 2: There and out of terror.
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Speaker 3: Just let me jump in here quickly, because we've seen
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Speaker 3: so much hate speech starting from October the eighth, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three. With that, with those horrible celebrations in Lakember.
23:21
Speaker 3: The next night at the Opera House we heard pretty
23:23
Speaker 3: mild condemnation. Frankly, why didn't we see national leaders, state
23:28
Speaker 3: leaders out there going to Muslim communities then demanding that
23:33
Speaker 3: we confront Islamist extremism head on, not just dismiss it
23:37
Speaker 3: at a distance. Crush this problem before it just metastasized
23:41
Speaker 3: as it has over the past two years.
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Speaker 9: I can't make excuses for the fact that we haven't
23:48
Speaker 9: done what needs to be done. You need to pull
23:50
Speaker 9: the route out and get rid of it. Holess, bowlless
23:53
Speaker 9: and as you say, smash it isn't list extremism, which
23:57
Speaker 9: is the root driver of all of this.
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Speaker 11: That is where all of this hatred does start.
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Speaker 9: As we saw with the attack on the fourteenth of December,
24:04
Speaker 9: it was inspired by Islamic state isis flags on and
24:08
Speaker 9: in the car as they say, so that is a
24:13
Speaker 9: big part of the response. If a community don't see
24:16
Speaker 9: leaders federal or state or local responding to this sort
24:21
Speaker 9: of hate sprouting up in our community, and they don't
24:25
Speaker 9: see leaders smashing it down, then of course they're going
24:27
Speaker 9: to go, oh well, that's all right, nothing to see here,
24:30
Speaker 9: nothing to worry about. And here we are today responding
24:32
Speaker 9: to the deaths of fifteen innocent people because we've just
24:35
Speaker 9: let it flourish.
24:37
Speaker 2: To that end.
24:37
Speaker 3: Though then increasing gun controls and adding even more hate
24:41
Speaker 3: speech laws.
24:42
Speaker 2: Surely that is pointless.
24:44
Speaker 3: Surely that's just a smoke screen when the hatred, the
24:47
Speaker 3: ideology is the problem. And we didn't even see governments
24:49
Speaker 3: try to implement the existing speech laws.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so there is.
24:55
Speaker 9: A problem with non application of existing laws. It's a
24:58
Speaker 9: discussion we've been having over the last week as we
25:01
Speaker 9: consider what to do with Labour's rushed laws to respond here,
25:04
Speaker 9: and we try and make something good out of what
25:07
Speaker 9: is a terribly botched process. But I think there is
25:12
Speaker 9: space for increasing capacity to crack down and clamp down
25:16
Speaker 9: on some of these groups. I think that there is
25:19
Speaker 9: merit in the hate group listing provisions enabling people like
25:23
Speaker 9: Mike Burgess to give advice to government to say, hey,
25:26
Speaker 9: a group like his book Toreer is someone we need
25:28
Speaker 9: to clamp down on and prevent from existing and operating
25:32
Speaker 9: in the way that they do. Those sorts of things
25:34
Speaker 9: I think are good, But again, that is a small
25:37
Speaker 9: part of what a government should be doing, and that
25:39
Speaker 9: leaders should be doing and leading from the front and
25:41
Speaker 9: actually addressing this crisis of anti Semitism driven by Islamic
25:46
Speaker 9: extremism from the front and from the top.
25:48
Speaker 3: All right, just quickly, I don't want to dwell too
25:50
Speaker 3: much on politics now, but I have to talk about
25:52
Speaker 3: the polls. One Nation has now pulled ahead of the
25:55
Speaker 3: Coalition in the latest News poll.
25:56
Speaker 2: His Pauline Hansen, this is.
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Speaker 8: The first poll in Australia's history that another party is
26:03
Speaker 8: polling higher than one of the major parties. I am
26:07
Speaker 8: proud to acknowledge One Nation is polling higher than the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunningham.
26:14
Speaker 3: Doesn't this show that the Coalition has failed to provide
26:18
Speaker 3: clear alternatives on national security and perhaps other issues such
26:21
Speaker 3: as climate and energy.
26:24
Speaker 9: Well, I reckon the election result, where we were fairly
26:27
Speaker 9: well drubbed, I think does show that we failed.
26:30
Speaker 11: We've got a lot of work to do.
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Speaker 9: Chris, There's no two ways about it, and a poll,
26:35
Speaker 9: while it is a singular poll, is one point of
26:39
Speaker 9: information to take into account. It does point to the
26:42
Speaker 9: fact that we've got our work cut out for us.
26:44
Speaker 9: That's what I'm committed to doing, and I'll tell you what.
26:46
Speaker 9: There are some things we do need to get straight,
26:49
Speaker 9: get right, including communicating with your viewers, the voters of
26:52
Speaker 9: Australia about what we actually stand for and how we're
26:55
Speaker 9: going to get there, how they're going.
26:57
Speaker 11: To be better off.
26:58
Speaker 9: We have failed on a number of fronts. We've got
27:00
Speaker 9: to turn that round straight away.
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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Jonathan, thanks so much for joining us, Jonathan Dunningham.
27:04
Speaker 3: They're the Shadow Homeer Fairst Minister, joining us live from Canberra.
27:07
Speaker 3: In a moment, I'm going to be joined by Alex
27:08
Speaker 3: Richand from the Executive Council of Australian Jury. But first
27:11
Speaker 3: let me share some samples of the condolence speeches in
27:15
Speaker 3: Parliament today that focused on the victims and the heroes
27:18
Speaker 3: of the Bondai massacre.
27:20
Speaker 6: Elt shielding children they did not know from bullets. Lifeguards
27:25
Speaker 6: using their boards are stretchers to carry the wounded, cafe
27:29
Speaker 6: staff giving shelter to people fleeing in fear, and passers
27:34
Speaker 6: by performing acts of extraordinary bravery.
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Speaker 12: We've heard harrowing accounts of first responders performing CPR, of
27:43
Speaker 12: off duty doctors in the crowd who sprang into action
27:46
Speaker 12: to tend the injured, of bystanders, comforting strangers in shock.
27:51
Speaker 12: To all those who helped in those dark moments, we
27:54
Speaker 12: say thank you. The whole country is grateful for your selflessness.
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Speaker 13: Every single Australian who was lit a candle or was
28:03
Speaker 13: checked in on, a Jewish community member, a friend, a colleague.
28:07
Speaker 13: I say thank you because how a country responds matters.
28:11
Speaker 14: For every person murdered, there are families and friends left behind,
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Speaker 14: a home lift, quieter, clothes still hanging in wardrobes, photos
28:27
Speaker 14: on walls that will never be updated.
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Speaker 3: Moving scenes there in Parliament, Alex Richan joins me now
28:33
Speaker 3: on the desk, good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Alias.
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Speaker 3: Let me start on the positive note here. Was it
28:38
Speaker 3: good to see politicians of a variety of parties all
28:42
Speaker 3: at least recognizing the victims and honoring the hearers of
28:46
Speaker 3: Bondai today.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
28:47
Speaker 15: Look, there were some beautiful words and heart felt and sincere,
28:50
Speaker 15: there's no doubt about that. But to be honest, the
28:53
Speaker 15: mood that I'm sensing in the community, and particularly among
28:55
Speaker 15: the families of the victims, is that they're passed the
28:57
Speaker 15: point of wanting to hear speeches from paulicians. They've heard
29:01
Speaker 15: from their own community leaders, their rabbis who have comforted
29:04
Speaker 15: them and brought them strength and perspective. From their political leaders,
29:07
Speaker 15: they want to see action, and there's a simmering anger
29:11
Speaker 15: and rage. I would even say among the families and
29:14
Speaker 15: the many many who were victims on the day, who
29:16
Speaker 15: were survivors, who are witnesses.
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Speaker 2: The community needs.
29:20
Speaker 15: Actually, we need to move beyond the niceties and the
29:22
Speaker 15: things we can all agree on towards concrete action, the
29:24
Speaker 15: things that you and I have been crying out for
29:26
Speaker 15: for two and a half years now.
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Speaker 2: Well, this, Alex is the point, right.
29:29
Speaker 3: This is why I'm so angry and frustrated, because we
29:32
Speaker 3: have been talking about this for over two years. We
29:34
Speaker 3: have been calling for action. And that's why I say
29:36
Speaker 3: this government is culpable. Now I don't care about the politics,
29:41
Speaker 3: but the reason I say they're culpable is because unless
29:43
Speaker 3: they accept that.
29:44
Speaker 2: Culpability, we won't get the action.
29:46
Speaker 3: And to a degree, surely, these changes to gun laws
29:49
Speaker 3: and hate speech laws aren't the problem. We need to
29:52
Speaker 3: see leadership from government and police and intelligent agencies to
29:57
Speaker 3: tackle the key problems, surely of Islam extremism.
30:01
Speaker 15: Look for nearly two and a half years now, you
30:03
Speaker 15: and I and many very good people in this country
30:06
Speaker 15: have spoken out about anti Semitism, about what's been happening
30:09
Speaker 15: to our community and to our country day by day.
30:11
Speaker 15: And at the same time as we've done that, there
30:14
Speaker 15: have been people who have shadowed us, who have denied
30:16
Speaker 15: anti Semitism, who have gas lighted, who are victim blamed,
30:19
Speaker 15: have called it inside jobs. Even as Iran was revealed
30:24
Speaker 15: to have been behind several of the fire bombings, even
30:26
Speaker 15: as organized crime men with guns were implicated in some
30:29
Speaker 15: of those attacks, Even as synagogues and homes and cars
30:33
Speaker 15: were burning, students were being harassed, people were being dogs
30:37
Speaker 15: and pushed out of industries. Even throughout all that, the
30:39
Speaker 15: denials continued, and it feels like the government, rather than
30:43
Speaker 15: looking clearly at what was happening and siding with the
30:45
Speaker 15: Jewish community, they were trapped between Jewish and anti Jewish
30:48
Speaker 15: forces in our society. And that is a dereliction of leadership.
30:52
Speaker 15: Leadership requires seeing clearly, having vision, going beyond politics, and
30:57
Speaker 15: doing what needs to be done. And ultimately this occurred
31:01
Speaker 15: on the watch of this government. I'm not saying it's
31:03
Speaker 15: entirely their fault, that would be unfair, but they have
31:05
Speaker 15: presided over this over this catastrophe for the Jewish community
31:09
Speaker 15: and for our country, one of the darkest days in
31:10
Speaker 15: the history of this nation.
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Speaker 3: But I have not seen them do anything significant to
31:15
Speaker 3: try and confront the key cause. I've mentioned that the start,
31:17
Speaker 3: I've mentioned it many times, and I thought Albaniezy should
31:20
Speaker 3: have gone to Lakemba right at the start, more than
31:22
Speaker 3: two years ago, decried what people were saying and celebrating
31:26
Speaker 3: and tried to work with Muslim community leaders to defeat extremism.
31:31
Speaker 2: He still hasn't done that.
31:32
Speaker 3: Why haven't we seen the government work not to demonize
31:36
Speaker 3: the Muslim communities, but to enlist them in the fight
31:39
Speaker 3: against extremism.
31:41
Speaker 15: I can't help but think that when you see these
31:43
Speaker 15: scenes in La Kemba, when a cleric was saying to
31:47
Speaker 15: a banying mob that the attacks on Jews in Israel
31:50
Speaker 15: was a day of hope and pride and enjoy, effectively
31:53
Speaker 15: turning the rape and slaughter an abduction of Jewish people
31:56
Speaker 15: into an Islamic religious duty. When you have those deplorable
31:59
Speaker 15: see into the opera house, when people chanted for the
32:01
Speaker 15: deaths of my community, I can't help but think about
32:04
Speaker 15: the great leaders in Australian history and world history, and
32:07
Speaker 15: how they would have reacted, and they would have gone
32:09
Speaker 15: to the canbinet, gone into the opera house and they
32:11
Speaker 15: would have said, we are with the Jewish community, we
32:14
Speaker 15: are one, and anyone who opposes them opposes all of us.
32:18
Speaker 15: That would have been leadership which I think would have
32:20
Speaker 15: transformed the course of this nation. And we wouldn't be
32:23
Speaker 15: here morning, fifteen dead people.
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Speaker 3: It's so true, Alex, it's so obvious. Yet we're still
32:29
Speaker 3: yet to see anything like that. You and I spoke
32:31
Speaker 3: a lot over the last couple of years. We'll speak
32:33
Speaker 3: again this year. Thanks for joining us again the first
32:36
Speaker 3: this year, Alex richand there from the Australian Council Executive
32:41
Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury. Now we're going to get to
32:43
Speaker 3: a break. On the other side of the break, we'll
32:45
Speaker 3: catch up with this shark attack problem. There's bedeviling Sydney
32:48
Speaker 3: Harbor and Sydney Beaches. There's been another shark incident in Sydney,
32:56
Speaker 3: this time a close school at dy on the Northern Beaches,
33:00
Speaker 3: with a shark taking a chunk out out of an
33:02
Speaker 3: eleven year old boy's surfboard. Meanwhile, the twelve year old
33:06
Speaker 3: boy attacked yesterday at Vaucluse in Sydney's Eastern suburbs, remains
33:10
Speaker 3: in a critical condition, with police crediting the boy's friends
33:14
Speaker 3: with saving his life.
33:15
Speaker 2: He's the latest from Crystal Boo.
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Speaker 16: Police say it was the first moments after the attack
33:20
Speaker 16: that gave the boy a fighting chance of survival when
33:23
Speaker 16: a friend wrisked his own life, jumping into the water
33:27
Speaker 16: as others dragged the injured boy onto the rocks, applying
33:31
Speaker 16: pressure to his wounds.
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Speaker 10: The tronic Hays replied, they stemmed the bleeding. They stopped
33:36
Speaker 10: the bleeding at the time before putting that young boy
33:39
Speaker 10: up onto the bow of that police boat. And as
33:42
Speaker 10: that police boat drove off at hard high speed, they
33:45
Speaker 10: was still doing CPR on the boat, hanging on at
33:48
Speaker 10: keeping that boy alive.
33:49
Speaker 16: The twelve year old and his friends were jumping from
33:52
Speaker 16: a six meter rock just outside the shark nets at
33:55
Speaker 16: Bookloose Point. A stormy morning on Sunday had turned into
33:58
Speaker 16: a pleasant afternoon, but police say the conditions may have
34:02
Speaker 16: created a dangerous mix.
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Speaker 10: We believe the combination of the brackish water the fresh water,
34:07
Speaker 10: the actions of the splashing may have made that perfect
34:12
Speaker 10: storm environing for that shark attack.
34:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, such a popular spot there, Nilsen Park, Shark Bay
34:19
Speaker 3: on Sydney Harbor. Let's hope this twelve dro ob boy
34:22
Speaker 3: recovers and let me bring in Professor Robert Harcourt, who
34:24
Speaker 3: leads the Marine.
34:25
Speaker 2: Predator Research Group at Macquarie University.
34:28
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us at Robert, we seem to be
34:31
Speaker 3: getting increasing numbers of shark attacks around the coastline of Australia.
34:37
Speaker 3: Is this explained by increasing numbers of sharks and swimmers
34:40
Speaker 3: or is there something else at play?
34:42
Speaker 7: Oh, it's a bit more complicated than that, Chris.
34:44
Speaker 17: But yeah, I mean it's very sad, I mean very
34:47
Speaker 17: lucky for that boy today only had a chunk take
34:49
Speaker 17: over his board. He can probably put it on the
34:51
Speaker 17: wall and the keep that as a precious memento. But
34:55
Speaker 17: that poor boy yesterday was just very very unlucky and
35:00
Speaker 17: and we hope that he can make a recovery.
35:03
Speaker 7: I know it's quite touch and go there.
35:06
Speaker 17: It's not really that there's more sharks, but there's certainly
35:09
Speaker 17: more people in the water.
35:11
Speaker 7: More and more. We're i mean, we're a water.
35:13
Speaker 17: Loving, an ocean loving nation and we've got better beaches,
35:19
Speaker 17: That water is cleaner than it used to be in
35:21
Speaker 17: the past, and we've got better means of going in
35:23
Speaker 17: the water. But it's summer also, I mean, and the
35:26
Speaker 17: water is particularly warm this season, and of course, as
35:30
Speaker 17: you know, the bull sharks come down and for the summer,
35:33
Speaker 17: and they spend the summer here in the in the harbor,
35:36
Speaker 17: and they as they do in all the estuaries down
35:38
Speaker 17: the coast, And.
35:41
Speaker 7: Because the water is warming up so quickly.
35:43
Speaker 17: They've come earlier, they stay longer, and then they go
35:46
Speaker 17: back later and they go all over the harbor. And
35:48
Speaker 17: with the heavy rain we've just had, that as Inspector
35:53
Speaker 17: mcnasy said, you know, the fresh the fresh water intermixing
35:57
Speaker 17: with the sea water that the entry to the harbor
36:00
Speaker 17: there brings the food of the bull sharks in close
36:03
Speaker 17: to shore around those rocky reefs, and that's exactly where
36:06
Speaker 17: the boys were jumping in the water.
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Speaker 3: When it comes to great white sharks, of course, we've
36:10
Speaker 3: got many experts will tell us that of course numbers
36:12
Speaker 3: have increased there because they are now protected species, whereas
36:17
Speaker 3: twenty thirty years ago they were hunted extensively. So that's
36:20
Speaker 3: one issue when it comes to those coastal waters.
36:22
Speaker 2: But I suppose we're focusing on Sydney Harbor at the moment.
36:25
Speaker 3: When you explain to us how common bull sharks are
36:29
Speaker 3: in Sydney Harbor, and when you think of how many
36:31
Speaker 3: people will regularly jump into the harbor waters, off the
36:34
Speaker 3: beaches and off boats, so it's a hell of a
36:37
Speaker 3: reminder that it can be dangerous there with.
36:39
Speaker 2: So many bull sharks around.
36:40
Speaker 3: What's the best way to minimize your chances of being attacked?
36:44
Speaker 17: Well, actually, I mean Deeper put out really good notifications
36:47
Speaker 17: on this, and in fact, the advice they give is
36:50
Speaker 17: more pertinent to bull sharks, and it almost is to
36:52
Speaker 17: white sharks. You know, avoid swimming when there's big, heavy
36:56
Speaker 17: influxes of fresh water, because bull sharks, unlike most other sharks,
37:00
Speaker 17: are very tolerant of fresh water, and in fact, they
37:02
Speaker 17: feed a lot on fish that are gathering in those
37:05
Speaker 17: plumes of brackish and fresh water. And I mean, I know,
37:10
Speaker 17: the boys, we're playing in the afternoon, and it was
37:12
Speaker 17: still bright and sunny, but it had been a very
37:14
Speaker 17: dark and dreary day, and of course these sharks tend
37:18
Speaker 17: to feed closer to dawn and dust, but that spreads out.
37:21
Speaker 17: If there's a lot of food around, they'll come in
37:22
Speaker 17: and feed. You did make a very important point, Chris.
37:25
Speaker 17: There are a lot of bull sharks in the harbor
37:28
Speaker 17: and they're fact they're often right next to people and
37:30
Speaker 17: we just don't know they're there, and most of the
37:33
Speaker 17: time they're not feeding. But when they are actively searching
37:37
Speaker 17: out prey, then we are very vulnerable because we're slow,
37:41
Speaker 17: and we're not very you know, we're not very We
37:43
Speaker 17: don't have a lot of defenses really, especially some small
37:46
Speaker 17: boys jumping in the water and making us splash and
37:48
Speaker 17: just attracting attention.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a shocking situation, but really good practical advice there, Robert,
37:53
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. Robert Taharcourt, their professor with the
37:56
Speaker 3: Marine Research Center at Corry Universally.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to a break.
38:00
Speaker 3: On the other side of that, I'm going to catch
38:01
Speaker 3: up on the Australian Iranian dissident. As the People's Revolution
38:05
Speaker 3: in Iran made deadly resistance in the wake of those
38:13
Speaker 3: courageous and inspirational protests in Iran met by deadly force
38:17
Speaker 3: from the authorities, the Iranian Islamist theocratic regime is now
38:22
Speaker 3: warning of an all out war on the US and
38:25
Speaker 3: its allies. He's the lightest from NBC News.
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Speaker 18: For the first time, Iran Supreme Leader Iatola Hamani admitted
38:32
Speaker 18: that thousands of people have been killed. A US based
38:35
Speaker 18: human rights group estimates about three thousand protesters have been
38:38
Speaker 18: killed by Iranian security forces, but because of the internet
38:42
Speaker 18: blackout over the last week, the actual numbers are very
38:45
Speaker 18: hard to independently confirm now. In his speech today, Hamioni
38:48
Speaker 18: didn't take any responsibility for the killings that he described
38:51
Speaker 18: as quote inhumane and savage, instead blaming the protesters and
38:55
Speaker 18: also the United States for inciting the violence, calling President
38:59
Speaker 18: Trump a criminal.
39:01
Speaker 3: Let's welcome to the program again, the academic author and
39:04
Speaker 3: Iranian Australian doctor Saba Vasifi. Thanks for joining us again, Sab.
39:10
Speaker 3: Tragic consequences unfolding in your home country.
39:14
Speaker 2: A lot of confusion and data.
39:16
Speaker 3: As to how many people have been killed. What's the
39:19
Speaker 3: latest you're hearing from family and friends in Iran?
39:22
Speaker 19: Last night I spoke with the guy the family. They
39:28
Speaker 19: said they have been forced to pay in order to
39:31
Speaker 19: receive the lifeless body of their loved one. And then
39:35
Speaker 19: they said, we don't have that amount of money to pay,
39:38
Speaker 19: and he told me. The officer laughed at me and said,
39:41
Speaker 19: if you don't have money to buy the corps, don't worry.
39:45
Speaker 19: Perhaps in another world you can see your sign. And
39:49
Speaker 19: this is the regime, Islamic regime that they seize the
39:53
Speaker 19: power in nineteen seventy nine with the claim that they
39:57
Speaker 19: are going to save and support the oppressor oppressed. And however,
40:03
Speaker 19: as you can see how they are brutalizing people, and
40:07
Speaker 19: in my view even it's more than crimes against humanity.
40:12
Speaker 19: It constitutes genocide because systematically and deliberately they are annihilating
40:20
Speaker 19: people based on their views and belief because they refuse
40:24
Speaker 19: to capitulate to.
40:27
Speaker 3: Religious fascism, trying to extort money out of people to get.
40:32
Speaker 2: The corpses of their family members back.
40:35
Speaker 19: Yeah, and historically they have done that even soon after
40:40
Speaker 19: they seize the power in nineteen seventy nine.
40:42
Speaker 2: It's very hard to get news out of a realm.
40:45
Speaker 3: We don't know how many people have been killed in
40:48
Speaker 3: your assessment, other protests still happening or has the regime quilled.
40:53
Speaker 19: Them for now, There are a few protests on the ground,
40:58
Speaker 19: it has been reported. But I think we need to
41:02
Speaker 19: because there are a war of narratives and the regime
41:08
Speaker 19: is using all those opportunities, including Western platforms, Western news
41:13
Speaker 19: outlet for example, while they cracked down the protests on
41:17
Speaker 19: the street, and then they paralyze all the channel of
41:21
Speaker 19: channels of communication see and interviewed with someone some of
41:26
Speaker 19: the agents of the regime from inside ivon to dissiminate
41:31
Speaker 19: the propaganda or the Guardian twice, not only once, twice,
41:37
Speaker 19: one during the anniversary of extra judicial killing of Massage,
41:42
Speaker 19: you know what I mean. And then again in the
41:44
Speaker 19: earlier stage of protests they gave a column to ee
41:49
Speaker 19: foreign minister to write a column. And treating a state
41:54
Speaker 19: actor responsible for crimes against humanity as a legitimate expert
41:59
Speaker 19: and allow to traffic propaganda is another issue.
42:03
Speaker 2: Now, no one.
42:03
Speaker 3: Should be surprised about the evils of these regime this
42:06
Speaker 3: region if they followed over recent decades. Australians should be
42:10
Speaker 3: reminded that we know Iran actually organized the fire bombing
42:14
Speaker 3: of the synagogue in Melbourne last year. That's why the
42:17
Speaker 3: Iranian ambassador has been expelled from Australia. You of course
42:20
Speaker 3: have to have security and fear for your own safety
42:22
Speaker 3: in Australia as someone who speaks out against the Iranian regime.
42:26
Speaker 3: So let me finish with the big question. Do you
42:29
Speaker 3: believe that this movement, this people's revolution if you want
42:32
Speaker 3: to call that, has the potential to overturn the regime
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Speaker 3: this time? We've seen such risings quashed in the past.
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Speaker 3: Do you believe American intervention could help this or could
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Speaker 3: make matters worse?
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Speaker 19: Not only American intervention, we need global free world intervention,
42:52
Speaker 19: humanitarian intervention. For example, Australia recognizes the principle of universal
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Speaker 19: jurisiction and in that case it means the Attorney General
43:03
Speaker 19: of Australia has the power to prosecute the regime for
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Speaker 19: the crime deeve done in Australia and in the country.
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Speaker 3: Australia should do more of these international efforts. Thanks so
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Speaker 3: much for joining us again, Saba. We'll catch up again soon,
43:15
Speaker 3: doctor Saba. For Sephi there, who's an academic and author,
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Speaker 3: as you know, is an Iranian Australian. Will keep up
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Speaker 3: to date on that issue as it unfolds in coming
43:24
Speaker 3: days as well.
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Speaker 2: We've got to go to a break now, though. After
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Speaker 2: the break we catch up with.
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Speaker 3: Gematonieni and Caroline Drusso talk about many things including the
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Speaker 3: Green Senator Marine Ferruki using the Condolence motion in Parliament
43:36
Speaker 3: today to attack Israel.
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Speaker 2: As we did.
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Speaker 3: Last year, every Monday this year we will chat with
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Speaker 3: the bastions of co Gemton, Jenni from GT Communications and
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Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Caroline Drusso in perth grade.
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Speaker 11: Full of wisdom.
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Speaker 20: I'm ready to dispense it.
43:56
Speaker 3: Well, let's hope twenty twenty six is better than twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Let me go to you first.
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Speaker 3: How do you escape the fact that the Albanezi Labor
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Speaker 3: government has to be culpable for what we saw at Bondai,
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Speaker 3: given how often and how robustly so many people warned
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Speaker 3: them to do more against the scourge of Islamist extremism
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Speaker 3: and anti Semitism.
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Speaker 21: Oh, tell me about it. And hasn't it been the
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Speaker 21: longest eight weeks of January so far? I cannot believe
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Speaker 21: how much has happened. But you're absolutely right, Chris, and
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Speaker 21: I just think about how many times on this show,
44:31
Speaker 21: in this segment, we have talked about this, and we
44:34
Speaker 21: talked about that more action needed to be taken, and
44:37
Speaker 21: all of those sorts of things, very little of it
44:39
Speaker 21: was done. And I suspect that there were some people
44:42
Speaker 21: within the government who thought that the Jewish community was
44:45
Speaker 21: putting Mayo on their concerns. Well, it turns out the
44:48
Speaker 21: Jewish community weren't putting Mayo on their concerns.
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Speaker 15: Chris.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, And you know, you look today to the condolence
44:54
Speaker 21: motions and a lot of wonderful words were said. It
44:57
Speaker 21: would be really great if we didn't actually have to
44:59
Speaker 21: have those condolence motions. But look, we've now got a
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Speaker 21: Royal Commission. I think finally common sense prevailed and hopefully, Chris,
45:09
Speaker 21: there'll be some vindications for some pretty firm positions that
45:12
Speaker 21: were taken over the course of the last two years
45:14
Speaker 21: about what needed to be done which wasn't done and
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Speaker 21: the government has got no one to blame but themselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into during the week.
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Speaker 3: I want to get into more about what this Royal
45:23
Speaker 3: Commission needs to examine.
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Speaker 2: There's so much to talk.
45:25
Speaker 3: But you know, parliament politicians passing more laws that won't
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Speaker 3: fix the problem. We need leadership against Islamis extremism and
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Speaker 3: hate here and genera. I want to get your thoughts
45:36
Speaker 3: on that in a moment, but first up, let me
45:38
Speaker 3: just share just to rile you a little bit more.
45:42
Speaker 3: Let me let me share with you what the Green
45:43
Speaker 3: said it to. Marine Ferruki said in Parliament today because
45:46
Speaker 3: while she's speaking about the condolence motion on the Bondai
45:50
Speaker 3: Islamist massacre.
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Speaker 2: She used it as another chance to demonize Israel.
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Speaker 22: The legacy of this appalling violence one day cannot be
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Speaker 22: the undermining of basic civil and political rights or laws
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Speaker 22: that can be used to weaponize racism and hate against
46:12
Speaker 22: everyday Australians who follow their conscience and speak out against
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Speaker 22: injustice and genocide.
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Speaker 3: Really, you could just today would maybe be the one
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Speaker 3: day you don't rand about some false claim of genocide.
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Speaker 20: I don't think anyone will be surprised by that appalling speech.
46:33
Speaker 20: They're just an appalling party. They're a party of division,
46:35
Speaker 20: They're a party that doesn't stand for Australian values and
46:40
Speaker 20: you know, I just I don't almost want to waste
46:44
Speaker 20: my words on them anymore. But unfortunately, I mean this week,
46:48
Speaker 20: this past week, when it looked briefly like the Prime
46:50
Speaker 20: Minister would do a deal on that legislation with the Greens.
46:53
Speaker 20: Could you imagine the birth of legislation that comes from
46:57
Speaker 20: the Greens and the Labor Party this issue that would
47:00
Speaker 20: have been disastrous for this country. But you know, like
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Speaker 20: to your earlier point about the problem is extremism, and
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Speaker 20: someone said this to me today. I wish it was
47:10
Speaker 20: my saying, but it was after nine to eleven. Did
47:14
Speaker 20: we talk about stopping making aeroplanes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one went, oh.
47:17
Speaker 20: Gosh, we must have no more flights, we must have
47:20
Speaker 20: no more airplanes. Because it's the guns were not the problem.
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Speaker 20: And I'm not a shooter. I don't have a gun
47:26
Speaker 20: and have no horse in that race. But to try
47:28
Speaker 20: and misrepresent it as a weapons problem when it's an
47:32
Speaker 20: ideology problem is a massive, massive failure of this government.
47:35
Speaker 20: Another massive failure of the government.
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Speaker 3: Spot On could not agree more. We'll keep coming back
47:39
Speaker 3: to this issue. I do want to squeeze in quickly.
47:41
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and Greenland, let's have a look at some
47:44
Speaker 3: of the European resistance to the President's ideas.
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Speaker 19: We respect the wishes of the Greenlanders and their interests
47:53
Speaker 19: and that they.
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Speaker 7: Can count on us.
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Speaker 12: Greenland belongs to its people.
47:58
Speaker 7: So it's up to.
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Speaker 22: Denmark and Greenland and only to them to decide on
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Speaker 22: matches that are concerning Denmark and Greenland.
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Speaker 2: That yeah, just very quickly on this, Caroline.
48:08
Speaker 3: And look, sure Trump's very unorthodox, but what people are
48:12
Speaker 3: missing out here, I think is just how strategically important
48:14
Speaker 3: Greenland is to the whole of the Western world.
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Speaker 21: And the thing is, it seems to be a conversation
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Speaker 21: that no one ever talks about until someone like Trump goes, hey,
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Speaker 21: I might by Greenland.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we should be.
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Speaker 21: Talking about this. So I think there's a broader issue
48:31
Speaker 21: that the EU and NATO, because I think this is
48:34
Speaker 21: ultimately a NATO issue, are not talking about. So if
48:39
Speaker 21: nothing else, it's good that the issue has been put
48:43
Speaker 21: on the agenda. And I don't know where Trump actually
48:46
Speaker 21: is here, whether he's being serious, whether he's a bit serious,
48:49
Speaker 21: a bit playing games. Anyway, we will see. It'll all
48:52
Speaker 21: come out in the wash. But ultimately, can we please
48:55
Speaker 21: deal with this important issue?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Always crazy strategies. Some people call it three D yes
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Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, Jemma. But the point is if NATO
49:03
Speaker 3: looks at a bigger military presence on Greenland and keeping
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Speaker 3: those critical minerals for NATO countries, that outcome when however
49:12
Speaker 3: we get there would be a good one for the
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Speaker 3: Western world.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely it would be.
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Speaker 20: It always makes me laugh when NATO is so indignant
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Speaker 20: about this, Where have they been when it comes to
49:19
Speaker 20: the Ukraine, Where have when it comes to substantive issues?
49:23
Speaker 20: Allowing Putin to act with impunity four years? I mean,
49:27
Speaker 20: this is just more of this globalist hypocrisy that we see.
49:30
Speaker 20: And I wish I had a more I wish I
49:31
Speaker 20: had like an answer, but I think with Trump you
49:33
Speaker 20: take him seriously but not literally.
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Speaker 2: Exactly spot on.
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Speaker 3: Great to be back, Great to be talking to you, Jem,
49:39
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us set.
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Speaker 2: It is great to be back speaking with you. We're
49:43
Speaker 2: going to have a big year. We've got plenty to say.
49:45
Speaker 2: We've got to say it.
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Speaker 3: Even stronger because they ain't listening people, they haven't been listening,
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Speaker 3: and we've got to make them listen.
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Speaker 2: I'll see tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quidlin.