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Furness Show 9-1: Mariners Frustrations, Joe Sheehan, John Lund · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: First of all, you know the view that all these
• 0:01
  Speaker 1: guys out here have?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So our studio was right up on the windows, and
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  Speaker 1: it was about, what would it be, three or four,
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  Speaker 1: three-fourths of the studio was big windows with a view
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  Speaker 1: of Elliott Bay.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And the Olympic Mountains. And we live in a beautiful place.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of issues here. So that
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  Speaker 1: was number one. Number two was big. Number three, it
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  Speaker 1: was functional.
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  Speaker 4: Functional.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 1: You could push buttons and they worked. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: just a better setup.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a bunch of power surges and stuff like that?
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  Speaker 1: No, we never had a power surge there. Never had
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  Speaker 1: a fire. Never got kicked out. No one was making
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  Speaker 1: chemicals in the floor below us and just waiting for
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: this place to just go up in flames one day. No,
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  Speaker 1: none of that happened. And the mics were always erect,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: which is nice. And that's not the case here. Those
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: are my issues. How are you guys doing today? Seriously,
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: I come in here, I'm like, I feel like I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to touch anything because, A, I'm banging my
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  Speaker 1: knees against the computer thing.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go. We've got a couple things going on.
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  Speaker 1: One would be the Artie Moreno selling to the Angels.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit later, maybe, too,
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  Speaker 1: especially with Sheehan. I would just say, if you're a
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  Speaker 1: Mariner fan, that's not what you wanted to hear.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-mm.
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  Speaker 3: Correct? That is correct. They were one of the teams
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  Speaker 3: you could rely on to always suck because their owner,
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  Speaker 3: while spends money, doesn't do it in the right way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that. The next thing is, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into some baseball today. Joe Sheehan's going to join
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  Speaker 1: us at 120. We'll get into, we'll talk to him,
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  Speaker 1: and then also at 2 o'clock, we got John Lund
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  Speaker 1: coming on. I want to do this. I've been, last
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  Speaker 1: night's game, was, for the Mariners, was something else in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And since last night, I've
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: been racking my brain a little bit, and I jotted
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: down some notes, and they just sounded just stupid sports radio-ish.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't want to go down that road. I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: You only have one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't do it to myself. I couldn't do
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  Speaker 1: it to you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, all this, blah, blah, blah. You know, do
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  Speaker 1: you believe? Do you not believe? Yeah. But there's something there.
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  Speaker 1: There's meat on the bone with this baseball team. And
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  Speaker 1: so this is going to be a very abstract hour
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to get into, the conversation that Anders
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  Speaker 1: and I are going to have. It's very abstract. And
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  Speaker 1: the thing that I'm looking at, you're 10 games under.
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  Speaker 3: 500.
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  Speaker 1: You are, by all intents and purposes, a bad baseball team. Oh,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: just hear that? I just kicked my arm.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there it is. There it is. Did you turn
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  Speaker 3: off the computer? It's still working?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's still working. I can't just... It's all right.
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  Speaker 1: The knee will come back at some point. Anyway, the
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  Speaker 1: game last night was sort of just a great microcosm
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  Speaker 1: of who they are.
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  Speaker 3: How many times have we said that this season?
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  Speaker 4: A lot.
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  Speaker 1: But now we're at the end of the year and
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  Speaker 1: we're in a situation in which you don't have much
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  Speaker 1: of a margin of error. The blame game is always fun.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: The.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of the go-to. Anytime your team loses, the
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  Speaker 1: default is go to the blame game. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: if it's football, baseball, basketball, hockey, whatever. Teams lose, you
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  Speaker 1: go to the blame game, right? And who's to blame?
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  Speaker 1: And that's just human. That's just a natural reaction for
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  Speaker 1: a human. Like blame somebody for something. Last night, for example,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of places you could lay blame. The manager,
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  Speaker 1: as always. That's every day.
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  Speaker 3: It's a given.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The front office for roster construction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, having Brock Rodden be on the team every day.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper Criswell's your only option in extra innings. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: to be fair to him, hadn't pitched in the big
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  Speaker 1: leagues since, what was it, three months?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And you put him out in that situation in that ballpark?
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then he made it worse by walking the
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  Speaker 3: bases loaded.
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  Speaker 1: He goes back to the manager. Yeah. So roster construction.
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  Speaker 1: I still will say this until the cows come home.
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  Speaker 1: My God, when are the players accountable? When are the
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  Speaker 1: players to blame? To blame. Not just accountable, but to blame.
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  Speaker 1: When will that happen? Well, last night, sort of it
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  Speaker 1: did with Julio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: God, that's the most creative triple in the history. I
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  Speaker 1: guess he didn't touch the ball. Whatever. That's an error.
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  Speaker 1: On every level, it's an error.
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  Speaker 3: It should be a single and an error.
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  Speaker 1: It should be a single and a two-base error all
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  Speaker 1: day and every day.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It was so poorly played. So there's that. Yes, Cal
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  Speaker 1: hit a home run, but he was one for five.
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  Speaker 1: And he had a couple other opportunities. He's bordering right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it, Anders. I don't care. I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to say it. He's bordering on Richie Sexton-type numbers right now.
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  Speaker 1: If they get in the playoffs, I'll change that. But
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  Speaker 1: right now, he's hitting solo home runs in the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 1: off low-leverage relievers because it's a six-run game. That's what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing. He didn't help you when you needed it.
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  Speaker 1: And even on the night when he does, I mean, God,
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  Speaker 1: if he doesn't hit that home run, you didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to extra innings.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 9: Right?
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  Speaker 1: But there's all these different elements going on for this team.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the one overriding. This is where I want to
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  Speaker 1: go with it today. And I want to get your thoughts, too.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see where it takes us. Like I said, this
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  Speaker 1: is just kind of an abstract– I couldn't put my
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  Speaker 1: finger on it, but I think that probably describes how
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  Speaker 1: this season has gone. But, you know, we've got different
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: group chats. We've got our Molly Wap plus Benton group chat. Again,
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: not sure why Benton's on it, but he is. Because
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  Speaker 1: he's a Dodger fan. Wants to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: the baseball talk. He wants to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that might be part of it. I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe we nix them out and they have a 14-10
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  Speaker 1: month and finish only six games.
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  Speaker 3: Of bowl if I remember.
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  Speaker 7: But.
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  Speaker 1: No, we've got that group thread. I'm sure you have friends.
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  Speaker 1: I've got friends. I've got a couple different groups with friends.
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  Speaker 1: And people are– I've never seen it like people are
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  Speaker 1: sideways with this baseball team. And they all have different
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  Speaker 1: emotions and different feelings towards it. I'm trying to put
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  Speaker 1: my finger on what is it about this particular team,
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  Speaker 1: this Mariners team, that is just– I'll say almost to
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  Speaker 1: the point of it's become unlikable.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I hear that term a lot, but I want a
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  Speaker 1: definition of that. What do we mean they're unlikable? Like,
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  Speaker 1: they're unlikable in what way? But I hear that a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess my thing is, what is it about
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  Speaker 1: this team that, for lack of a better term, annoys
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  Speaker 1: you most, if that makes sense? Like, what is it
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  Speaker 1: about this team that just absolutely– Because people have turned
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  Speaker 1: on it to a certain extent. I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: to that in a second. I'm going to talk to
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  Speaker 1: Lund a little bit about, he did a thing, I
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  Speaker 1: was listening to his show driving in. He was talking about,
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  Speaker 1: I guess there's this big debate in LA. I guess
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  Speaker 1: Jim Rome said something and Colin Coward and Bill Plask,
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  Speaker 1: all these media guys down there. And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: because the whole debate was, like, did you see the
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  Speaker 1: video from USC over the weekend?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and it's hot. Nobody went to the game.
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  Speaker 7: No fans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no fans. Playing San Jose State and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So people are like, it's a bad sports town. It's
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  Speaker 1: a good sports town. Bad sports town. What's a good
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  Speaker 1: sports town?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So we're kind of going through that. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times people will point to attendance.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They'll point to attendance. Well, I'll just give you a
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  Speaker 1: little number here just for giggles, shiggles and gets, as
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  Speaker 1: they would say.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: So right now, Seattle has drawn 22.4 million fans to
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  Speaker 1: the ballpark. 2.4.
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  Speaker 3: 2.4.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. The Mariners are seventh in baseball in attendance. Seventh.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 1: Now, here's the crazy thing. The top 10 teams in
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  Speaker 1: attendance in Major League Baseball, eight of the 10 teams,
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  Speaker 1: eight of the 10 are most certainly... Well, they're either
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  Speaker 1: playoff teams or they're in a much better playoff position, Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: than Seattle is.
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  Speaker 7: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could argue it's Toronto. Well, they're ahead
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  Speaker 1: of Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: They just swept you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're six games out in your own division.
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  Speaker 1: So the point is this. The fans here still go.
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  Speaker 1: The other team that's not in it that is having
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  Speaker 1: great attendance is San Francisco. They're averaging... 300 fans less
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  Speaker 1: than Seattle per game. Like think about that for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's insane. That is, that's like those two, but
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  Speaker 1: here's why. And this is what gets back to what
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  Speaker 1: people are frustrated with here. Team mobile is a great
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  Speaker 1: place to go. Team mobile is a, it's, it's kind of,
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  Speaker 1: and I think to a certain extent, Oracle park is
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  Speaker 1: the same way.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's the place to go in the summer. Yeah. It's,
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  Speaker 1: we make fun of it. Bro land out there in
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  Speaker 1: center field.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great spot.
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  Speaker 1: But that's like, you go to a game and there
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  Speaker 1: is a vibe and it's, it's where you want to be.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've got two kids in their twenties. That's, that's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, now one of them, she'll, she doesn't go
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: out there. She's got to watch the game and get mad. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she's the diehard. She's a lunatic, but it's, but that's,
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  Speaker 1: but the rest, you know, walk around bro out what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Who's out here. Hey, you're out there. I'll, I'll meet
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  Speaker 1: you out in center field. That's it's the place to be.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind of surprised to saw the number, 35,000,
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  Speaker 1: almost 36,000. They're basically 36,000 games.
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  Speaker 3: So it's interesting because of those two teams that you
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  Speaker 3: just mentioned, Seattle and San Francisco. I think those two,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm kind of making generalizations here, but go along
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  Speaker 3: with this. It feels like those two places, almost more
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  Speaker 3: than anywhere else, at least in those top eight that
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  Speaker 3: you're mentioning, have... A higher percentage of the people that
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  Speaker 3: go to the games that aren't diehard baseball fans than
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  Speaker 3: the other ones.
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  Speaker 1: They just go because it's the place to be.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Seattle, more than anything else, when you
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  Speaker 3: go to a Mariners game, I don't think that represents
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  Speaker 3: the diehard fan that's watching every single game, every single pitch.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you're right.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: Living and dying with them.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. And this is why I bring
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  Speaker 1: it up. When I worked in Portland, the Moda Center
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  Speaker 1: was the place to be. Now, it's the same weather
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  Speaker 1: as we have in the wintertime. It's basically dark, rainy,
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: and gray from October 1st until April 1st. And what
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  Speaker 1: do you do? You go inside somewhere. You go to
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: a movie. Well, you're not interacting with people. You go
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: to the clubs, but nobody's in the club. What do
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  Speaker 1: you do? Blazer games are where it's at. When I
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: was there initially, they were still good. Then they started
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: to fall off and became really bad. But even in
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  Speaker 1: those bad years, the Blazers would draw fans. And the
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  Speaker 1: Motor Center's got some I know they want to do
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: some renovations. Just if you haven't been there, big, wide-ass,
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: like the two main concourses, pretty wide. You can kind
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: of gather out there, some gathering spots. So they do
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  Speaker 1: a good job with, you know, you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of hang out at halftime and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: I would equate it to what Climate Pledge is right now.
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  Speaker 1: It is like the diehard Kraken fan is pissed. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: when are we going to win? But there's 17,000 there
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  Speaker 1: every night, and a lot of those 17,000 are just cool. Hey,
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: we're just having a Bodhisattva, hanging out in the Space
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: Needle Lounge, walking around, doing whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: That's the place to hang out. If there's no pressure
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  Speaker 1: from a fan base to win, why would you win?
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  Speaker 1: Why would you invest in it? What's the incentive? Why
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: would you make changes?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you make changes? And I'm talking wholesale changes.
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  Speaker 1: Kraken went very superficial. Bottleroll is here already. Bumped him up.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't move the needle for any diehard fan. They've
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: changed coaches, but they change coaches like most of us
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: change underwear. Now, again, I think Lane's the guy. Lane's
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  Speaker 1: the first coach they've had out of the three, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: that I believe in.
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  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: But the diehard fan doesn't like what they're doing. That
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  Speaker 1: diehard fan probably isn't there 41 times a year. He's
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: probably watching games on TV or listening here on the radio.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Mariners fans are the same way. The diehards are listening
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: on the radio or they're watching games on TV. But
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  Speaker 1: there's 35,000 that are every game, and out of those 35,000,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them are just happy to have a
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: good time. They don't care, so there's no incentive to
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: move on. That's why you look at the Giants, and
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to Lund about this. What's the incentive if
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: you're the Giants? You're drawing 36,000. You're awful. Buster Posey's
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: way over his skis. You can go on and on, right?
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  Speaker 1: And that's historically a good franchise. They've actually done... There's
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: a thing called the World Series. They've been there.
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  Speaker 3: They've won it.
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  Speaker 1: They have won it.
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  Speaker 3: Multiple times in the last 15 years.
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  Speaker 1: Ironically, with a catcher that now runs the team.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who also is much like our catcher over his skis
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  Speaker 1: in his role. But what's the incentive? What's the true
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: incentive if you are selling out Climate Pledge every game?
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  Speaker 1: Or if you're, in the case of the baseball team,
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  Speaker 1: You're drawing 36,000. No big crowds this weekend. Sunday might
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: be a little different with the Apple Cup being Sunday.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: But the first, you know, we'll see what Thursday looks like.
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  Speaker 1: If they end up losing this series, if they lose
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: one of the next two, and they lose this series
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  Speaker 1: to Boston, we'll see what that looks like on Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think attendance is going to change.
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  Speaker 1: It may not. Well, Thursday it might look bad. A's
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday. Yeah. But Friday, Saturday, I think is the
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: last fireworks, isn't it? I just mean in general.
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  Speaker 3: So I bring that up. Is it just.
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  Speaker 3: There's a huge disconnect between the fans that go to
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  Speaker 3: games versus the fans. I agree living and dying with
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: the marriage.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm talking to the fans that aren't in bro land.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to the fan that's sitting there keeping score
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: down the third baseline.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to the fan that's watching the game yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and is screaming at his television. When Julio does whatever
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Julio does.
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  Speaker 3: DJ Plano. Don't, don't, don't get his name mixed up.
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  Speaker 1: What's his incentive as well? Let me ask you that.
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  Speaker 1: What's Julio's incentive? He got signed to basically the cold
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Emerson deal.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Before he did anything in baseball. He's getting paid. Now, obviously,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: he gets paid a hell of a lot more if
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: he's in the MVP conversation.
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  Speaker 7: True.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, fat and comfortable. Why would he care?
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Josh Naylor. Josh Naylor's probably laughing in the offseason going, man,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: my skills are declining. But look what I'm, I'm a
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: singles hitter now.
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  Speaker 3: Josh, Dan, that makes more than Julio.
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  Speaker 1: And, and, but he, and he signed a, what, three-year deal?
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  Speaker 3: Five-year deal.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Five-year deal. God, is that aging bad.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: What's the incentive? There's no pressure. Like other places, there's
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: pressure to win. I don't think there's that. I don't
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: think that exists except for the diehard fan. So here's,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: this is like, and I'll get your thoughts in the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: next segment. Cause I want to, I'm just going to
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: point this out there. Cause I think it's the only
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: way to phrase it. What is it about this team?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: that annoys you the most. Maybe it's history. Maybe it's
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: the fact that you had expectations, they didn't live up
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: to them, and that's happened over and over again. It
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: happened in 2023. Although, God, what would you do for
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: an 88 and 74 record right now?
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I'll take 54%.
• 15:43
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Or is it how they talk down to you? Like
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: the baseball ops?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: 2024, 85, and 77. What would you do? Think about this. 2023, 2024,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: either one of those records, you're in the playoffs this year.
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Comfortably in the playoffs this year. But there's something about,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: and that's what I was thinking last night. There's something
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: about this team that truly does, lack of a better term,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: maybe it's an appropriate term, not just lack of, maybe
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: it's the appropriate term, There's something about this team, whether
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: it's the 2026 team or the organization as a whole,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: that annoys people. And I'm just curious as to what
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that is. I've got, like I just said, one of
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the other group threads I have with some bunch of
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: buddies I play golf with and stuff, the word, I
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: hate this team, this team pisses me off, it's just
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: all negative. And I've been kind of arguing all year,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: guys are still in it. They're still in it. If
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the goal is just to get to the playoffs... We're
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: not worrying about style points. This isn't college football or basketball.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: There's no committee deciding whether or not you deserve to
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: be in. You're not sitting there going head-to-head and going, well, Mariners,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I just don't like what they're doing. Toronto has more
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: quad one wins, so we'll take the Blue Jays. There's
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: none of that here. You don't have to worry about
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: quad one wins or a bad loss. You don't have
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to be UNLV going, God, we lost to Memphis. We're done.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: You're on the table, whatever. That's... it's just different with this,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: with baseball, but there is, there is absolutely no doubt
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: in my mind that there is a disconnect between the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: baseball team and the baseball fan in this town, more
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: so than anything I've ever seen. I hear unlikable. I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: don't know. Julio seems likable to me when he's not,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: when he's not doing Julio things.
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Naylor this year.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It went from my favorite player to a guy that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I honestly have a hard time watching.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look like he gives a blank.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't look like he cares.
• 17:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: JP shouldn't be on this baseball team.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: He's going to be done anyway.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: He's done, right. But, I mean, you were relying on
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: him this year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I love Randy. I'm going to be honest
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: with you. If you had nine Randys out there every game,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you might give up four or five extra runs defensively,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but you know what? You're going to get five or
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: six more.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's going to run his ass off on
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the bases.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: He's going to do stuff. Yeah, and I know he
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: jogged on the one of the foul balls.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: That's inherent to who they are.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So get your thoughts.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: 49451.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'll even look at text a little earlier today, too.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: We'll do a couple text segments.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: 49451.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Talkbacks are welcome as well. Go to the iHeartRadio app
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: on the red microphone. I'll get Anders' thoughts on this.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: What is it about this team, this Oregon? What is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it that annoys you the most that just kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: sends you sideways? What is it about them? Just try
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to put your finger on it. You had something. I'll
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: see if you repeat it because I'm not going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: tee it up for you, but you said something there
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that might be part of it. It has to do
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: with attitude from above. We'll get to all that next,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: 93.3 KGRFM.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 19:06
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• 19:09
  Speaker 6: We've got a ton of texts already. We'll get to
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: some of those at 1245. Then we'll do it again
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: at 230 today with the text messages.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: 49451. Fire away.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: Oops.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Delicate. There we go. Got the mic set up there, Anders.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Got it all done.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Excellent.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing broke. It's a win.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Did you give it some Viagra?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Nah, it needs something, man. It needs something. It does
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: need something there along the way. All right. Throw it
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to you. What is it about this team that just is...
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Because you said something yesterday. This is when i was
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: teeing you up for it because you didn't say something
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: else but you said something like i'm just done like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: i can't watch anymore it's i'm having a hard time
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and all that it's and you're and just for people
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to know context you're a baseball guy like you you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: love baseball 100 percent immerse yourself in it since you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: started doing stuff with us do the podcast with chuck
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and the whole nine yards right that that's your sport
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and they've turned you off. But what is it about
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this team, whatever it is, that just is annoying or
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: is sending you sideways?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Well, and I want to kind of contextualize your question
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: here because it's not just a general, oh, what makes
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you mad about the Mariners? Why is it that this team,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: everyone has underperforming seasons, right?
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Compare it to if the Seahawks went 7-9 before they
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl, 2009. there wouldn't be as much
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: vitriol and hatred about watching them. It's like, ah, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: tough season. It's been really hard. But I still love
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: this team. I'll still watch them day in and day out.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I get none of that. And I understand why. For me,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it's a multitude of reasons. One is the history. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: fact that, A, this team just has never, it's been
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: said a bunch, but never gone to the World Series.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: And that they lean so much into nostalgia. especially nostalgia. Look,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: it's a little personal to me because I wasn't alive
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: during most of the disnalgia or that they lean in towards. 95,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even born yet. 2001, I was four years old.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So everyone talks about, oh, you know, that was such
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a magical time to be a Mariner fan. Well, great.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Let's make now a magical time to be a Mariner fan.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And it felt like in kind of the early part
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: of this core, 2022 and onward, it was going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: be something along those lines. But the fact that they
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: haven't taken that next step is really frustrating to me.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: The other thing that's frustrating is the way... Look, it's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: one thing to act like, you know, okay, we want
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to build a sustainable team and keep butts in seats
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: and not necessarily take a bunch of risks financially and
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. It's one thing to act that way.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's another thing to literally tell the fans that's exactly
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: what you're trying to do. And, of course, with the 54% comment,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: doing the fans a favor, that's exactly what they did. Like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: most teams operate in that way, but they don't tell
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the fans directly to their face, hey, we're actually not
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: trying to win the World Series. We're just trying to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: be decent every single year. And then the third one
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: is more with this year specifically. It's the fact that
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: it's a bunch of incompetence. It's incompetence in the manager's dugout,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: not just... with the team's lack of fight, the team's
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: lack of focus. It's actual in-game management, which is when
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I can feel like I have more confidence in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: decisions that I would be making in those situations than
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson does, that's a bad sign because I'm not
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that smart of a guy. And then finally, just everything
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: that was sold to us about Dan Wilson and how
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he controls this team and how he has a pulse
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: on things On the clubhouse, and he gets the most
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: out of guys. All of that has just come crashing down. Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: And you're having the worst year from Cal's career, the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: worst year from Julio's career. A pitching staff that was
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: sold to us as elite, but is not. And a
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: bullpen that's melting down. Really, it's just Randy. That's the
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: only one that's having any sort of performing to their
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: expectations at this point.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: And.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: It's one thing to underperform, but it's another thing to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: just show a complete lack of caring. And that's what
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: this team has done.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: In perception's reality.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And, you know, we spent that first segment talking about
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: guys look like they don't care. I do think guys care.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I guess the question is how much. And one of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the things I was going to compare these guys to,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: this particular Mariners team in 2026, the 2017 Seahawks team.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And I'll refresh everyone's memory. So you win the Super Bowl,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you lose the Super Bowl. Then things started to take
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a turn. 2015, you finish second
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in the division. You get knocked out in the divisional
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: round after one wildcard win. I think that was the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: cold weather win in Minnesota. 2016, you win the division.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And I'd make the argument that was your last division
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: win until 2025. Yes, they won it in 2020. If
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you want to count anything for 2020, I'm going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: tell you right now, you're a fool. Nobody was in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the stands. Nobody was there. Nobody cared. That was a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: nothing burger season. So that was 2016. Okay, maybe Pete
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: went 10-5-1, that horrible tie down in Arizona, but you've got, okay,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: maybe we're coming back. Maybe we're coming back. Maybe we're
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: doing things.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: 2017. 2017.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Now, you'd already had the camp chancellor holdout prior, but
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: 2017 was Earl being Earl. And you're starting to see
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the cracks in the foundation. And then, now listen, people
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: can take this however you want. Here was the reality.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That was the 2017 season. That was the famous going
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to Tennessee, Donald Trump makes the comments, SOB players, all
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that stuff. We had a lot, and this was pre-2020
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of all things. We had a lot going on in
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: our country. And there was a perception in this town,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: right or wrong, that these guys cared more about non-football
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: stuff than football. They frankly lost a game in Tennessee
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for that. And then they just kind of kicked their
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: way through the rest of the year. They go to Dallas.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Earl goes up to Jason Garrett on Christmas Eve, come
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: get me. And it was just going south. And I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: remember that year doing shows and people were just like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: blow it up.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: We're done.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: This core is, it's run its course. We need to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: move on. They became a very, at times, kind of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: unlikable team. And frankly, if we're being honest, they scuffled
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: through stuff for a while. They weren't winning games in playoffs.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: They were just scuffling through. Lost in the wild card,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: lost in the division, lost in the wild card, lost
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in the wild card. And then they had, during that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: stretch from 2017 until last year, what was it, one Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: They missed the playoffs four of those eight years. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: people were just like, it wasn't going well. That's why
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Jody made the moves.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: They made the moves. But it took her a while.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Took her a while. But that 2017 team feels a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: lot like this Mariners team. Higher expectations. Because we always
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: had high expectations of the Seahawks. Russ was still there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: The core was all there. Carson was there. Actually, no.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Who was there?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: 2017 was also the year that the leading rusher was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson because he went through nine running backs. It
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was just a horror show of a year. Do they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: care about winning or do they care about other stuff?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It's good to have all those platforms and it's good
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to use those platforms and rightfully so. And I look
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at the great work that guys like Doug Baldwin and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Cliff Averill make in the community. It's great. Fans want
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: them to win. They want them to play football. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that was when it started going a little bit weird.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And people didn't like that. This team, you're coming off
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: what they did. And I think if nothing else, why
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this team is so frustrating is the expectations were high.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You know, when Felix was Felix, at his height, like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and I was reminded of this when they brought him
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: back for the top 50. And I looked at Felix
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, God.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: What a guy. That's just, yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Put Felix on this team.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That dude competed. He cared. And you know what he
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: cared about?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: You guys.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: He cared about the fans. Do you feel like that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the case here with this team?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Not right now. I felt it last year. I'm going
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: to be honest. I did.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: And not much has changed. So it's not like you
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: got a new manager.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what changed. You needed Geno. Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You needed Geno.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously don't care if guys hit 150.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You've had Ref Snyder here and Cal's still hitting well
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: below 200. JP can't field. Everybody's got a blemish.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: You don't have a third baseman, period. Like, at all.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Tell me Gino didn't make a difference when he got
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: here last year.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, even if he didn't hit well.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The emotional stuff that he made a difference.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Totally agree.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And you decide to move on.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And then when he became literally available for nothing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: You said no.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: He said no.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: No, you got Weston Wilson.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You're a Weston Wilson guy.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Until he swung at that fastball in his eyes last
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: night and slammed his bat down like it was that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: bat's fault. No, dude, you just couldn't catch up to it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Every team and every organization goes through different stages where
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: there's teams that you like more than other teams. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes they're the teams that win the title, sometimes they're not.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Because I'll make the argument all day and every day.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The team that won the Super Bowl in 2025... Far
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: more likable than the one that won it in 2013.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: 100%.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Like, far more likable.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you not love Big Cat?
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: Huh?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, a dude.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold? JSN's the most unassuming superstar in the history
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of football. He's like, make the argument he's one of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the top two receivers in football right now. Three at
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the worst, right? He's the most unassuming, mellow dude you've
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: ever seen.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Selfless.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Selfless. Chet Anuos, who's a silent assassin, man. The guy
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: just does his thing. Like, it's funny, Listen to the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: interview they had promo running with Chuck. That's who he is, man.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I love Michael Bennett. I love Cliff. I love Bobby, KJ, Doug.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Those guys are great. But there were elements of that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: team sometimes people didn't like. This team feels like it
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: has the same thing. The difference is that team most
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of the time didn't win.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: They won.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to check your text. What annoys you about
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: this team?
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: 49451.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: We'll do it next.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3, KJR FM.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: A little earlier than.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Normal.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to get some text in, though. We've got time.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I just looked through here. Here's the good news if
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting at T-Mobile Park, happen to be listening to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: this show, which I know they all are.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: People still care. First down.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: That's probably the list.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: First down.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Check it out.
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: Anyway.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: People still care.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: They care. I mean, the volume of text is, to
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: be honest, is overwhelming, which is good. It's a good
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: problem to have. People are still passionate. Here's the thing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Apathy hasn't kicked in.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Anger has. To me, this is the closest I've been
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to apathetic.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: You're getting close, but there's still anger overrides apathy right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: In general, for most. There are those that have tuned out.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: But anger has overridden apathy. My God, they had a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: three-run lead late in that game yesterday.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Four-run lead?
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest comeback Boston's had since like
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: three years or something.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Weird.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I asked the question, 49451, what is it that annoys
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you the most? 206, what annoys me the most is
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: how Dan looks so damn nervous all the time. This
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: is a good one, and this sums up a lot
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of the texts I'm seeing. 425, biggest annoyance is Mr.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Ego DiBloto. He's seen Moneyball one too many times. He
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: thinks he can rewrite the game with his analytics, piggyback,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: computer management, awful free agent signings, no polls to the team,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: or what chemistry means, or having a locker room leaders.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Has a puppet manager, same as service, and thinks he's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: smarter than any when in fact he's an egotistical moron.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that say that Jerry is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the guy that is the cause for their annoyance on
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the text line.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I'm curious for those, if you, okay, I'm going to do,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to fall into the trap, Ian. You can
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: only have one to blame, the poto ownership.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it starts with ownership.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And that's, we kind of had that discussion on Mullenwap yesterday.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: The thing with Jerry, just look at, and I guess
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we don't know this. We sort of do because he
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: does talk about budgets, right? But we really, none of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: us know the inner workings of what goes on down there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: How tied are his hands? Is he going after the Pollocks,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the Ref Snyders, the Colton Wongs?
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Because he doesn't have a choice.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Because that's his only opportunity every year. And so he's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: got to do that and he's got to sell it
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to everybody. And now he hits left-handers as well as
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: anybody does. No, he doesn't. But we've heard that eight times.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Are his hands tied? Because I think you can also
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: look at the other side with Jerry DiPoto and say, look,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: pitching staff that's been constructed.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of things he does well.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I'll take our second baseman right now. Take him, right?
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Hasn't had a great second half.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: No, but he's a kid. Yeah, he's a kid. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: certainly feel like he's your best second baseman since the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer was there.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Jorge Polanco was really good last year, but yeah. Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: But that was also a disaster because he started him
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: at third.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. This is a true second baseman.
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, Julio for all his blemishes. Okay.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The Randy trade. Great. Cal drafting.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things he does. Well, we're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: going to see Montez tonight.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, he may strike out five times, but that's fine. Strikeouts.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Chris tells me are the same as a regular out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So, but like he's put stuff together. So I don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: know how much I could put on Jerry.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I really don't.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Go ahead. I'll go to what Nate said yesterday. Yes,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: they have a middle-of-the-road payroll, which I think is about what...
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I know people want the Mariners to spend more, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: if we're being realistic here.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Let me counter that real quick, because I got a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: text on that. And this ties into it. The 253.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: What annoys me is the fact that our attendance is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: so high every night with a loser franchise. Nothing will
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: change until fans take a stand or we have an
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: owner that wants to win. Go back. You're seventh in attendance.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You're 16th in spending. Now, you have media rights deals
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and things like that that get tied into your revenue streams.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But I think you could make an argument that if
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you're seventh in attendance, you could probably be top 10
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in payroll, right?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It's a good argument.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You're not 16th.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Rockies are 17th.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Where's their payroll?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They don't care.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: They don't care about anything.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: No.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, baseball's a different sport because you're not going
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to sell out every night unless you're the Dodgers.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Yankees, Red Sox.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But Yankees don't even sell out every night. I mean,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they average 41,000. Yeah. So Red Sox sell out every game.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Except a small stadium.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing. Like, I go through that attendance.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It's not based on percentage. It's based on total per game.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: But fans still go. Well, they're going to keep going.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... Somebody, 253, they play bad fundamental baseball.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Approach of the plate, fielding, coaching, it's just awful baseball.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Little league teams play better baseball, way more enjoyable. And
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: we're not, we'll get into the crux of last night
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: in a second in the next segment before we check
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in with Joe Sheehan. 425. Everyone above Stanton who are
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: chicken to show their faces or speak. Stanton is a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: puppet for them. Jerry is a puppet for Stanton. Hollander
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: is a puppet for Jerry. Dan is a puppet for
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: all of the above. Last but not least, 54% enough said.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: That's what annoys me.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: 425.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And I'll read this one. I'll read this one. Cause
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's, I'll touch on this a little bit later.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: The Mariners like the crack and have no fight in them.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: They play poorly or lose a tough one. They can
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: seem completely apathetic. They look like they're just happy to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: be there. Sometimes it's too easy to play in a place, right?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Like there's sometimes it's, it's a little easy. The Mariners
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: frankly have it pretty easy and crack and do too.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Like when you don't have the Mariners have one traveling
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: beat writer, right? It's impossible for whoever that is, whether
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: it be Jude, Divish, or Tim Booth, depending on the trip,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: they all rotate. They have one true independent writer that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: covers them. One. It used to be the PI traveled,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the Times traveled.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Athletic when Corey was there. Athletic.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: TNT back in the days of Larry LaRue and Grumpy Bob.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Dutton. They had other media. There was a little more accountability.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: There was other guys writing stories. It wasn't just the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Seattle Times. Now they have one paper that covers them,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: one media member that covers them every day. And then
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: when they come back to town, TV guys, it's just,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it's rah, rah, rah. Let's show me the bobblehead. Here
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we go. Fireworks. Let's do a live shot. There's no
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: criticism ever. Criticism on the radio. And frankly, it's only
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: on here. And it's not just me, like our station, Chuck, me, Softie, whatever.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: Great.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's easy to play here. So I think that texter's right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: It's easy.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I think it's way too easy
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to be a Kraken player.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Totally agree.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Way too easy. The funniest thing with the Kraken is
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they're treated like they are treated like gold, which is
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the irony is that other players around the league don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: understand how easy it is to play here and how
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: well they're treated, how nice it is, the facilities and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: everything else. It's really, you, I mean, they should have
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just got, if they were in Detroit or someplace else,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That second half or that post-Olympic break last year with
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the Kraken, they were going to get eviscerated. Here, it
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: was like, what can I say?
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: You can.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Others can. But really, it's pretty easy. Go home, have
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a nice play. It's too comfortable at times. It's just
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: too comfortable.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And that was a lot of the argument with keeping
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson is, oh, the players all really like him.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe you need some uncomfortables. And honestly, I'll switch over
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in the Kraken's defense. When they brought Lane in here,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: he ain't easy to play for.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: That culture is changing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: In a good way.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: In a good way. Yeah, Haxtell was borderline. Put him
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: closer to Mike Babcock than others. Bilesman was just happy
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to be back in the NHL. Didn't really, whatever.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: He's very Dan Wilson.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Bilesman was very Dan Wilson. That blank stare and postgame, like, yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: very Dan Wilson.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Not a ton of accountability.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Lane sat veterans last year. Jamie Oleksiak sat veterans. Other
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: guys sat. That doesn't happen usually. So yeah, but I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: think it's easy. I think those two franchises, I think
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you can compare them. I think it's easy to play here.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy. I'm curious, like our other team,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: real quick before we go to the break, the Sounders.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's always been easy and nice to play here.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I think there's got to be some pressure there. Now,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Adrian cares enough, but he should.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: He looks in the stands. They don't have the same. Now,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: they had a nice attendance the other day, but they've
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: had a couple of games where you look out there
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and go, whoa, I think a rain game might break
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: out at any point in time here. Are we sure
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the rain aren't playing? There's like 5,000 people there. All right,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: we'll take a break, come back, reset the show. Joe Sheehan,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: he's going to go off on Dan Wilson, by the way.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you that right now. He
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: is going to go off on Wilson coming up at
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: 120 today on 93.3 KJR FM.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: Now, from the Star Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR
• 39:06
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• 39:08
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• 39:10
  Speaker 8: Chill.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Mariners losing yesterday. Extra innings to the Boston Red Sox.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I do believe, Anders, it's going south in a hurry.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Is that safe to say?
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Mariners are now 64-74. That's 10 games below.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: 500.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: They have lost five straight games. Back at it tonight.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Fenway Park, Brian Wu. Road Brian Wu gets a start. Now,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Road Brian Wu in his last two road starts has
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: been good. Home Brian Wu. In his previous start, his
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: most recent start.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Was bad.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: You were there.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: How was that for your son?
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Not great.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: The game, not good, but the experience was fun.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: The experience was fun. But that was home Brian Wu.
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Which Brian Wu will we get tonight?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: That's in Fenway Park. Probably not good.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You think nothing but an arsenal of fastballs with a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: green monster is a bad thing?
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Will Julio boot another ball? Will JP have one
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: go under his glove like the Little League World Series?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: No, they'll find other ways to tick off fans. They
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: always do.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Laz Montez, we're expecting to see him start tonight. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: haven't seen the lineup yet, but I think he's going
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to play. He's called up. We'll see. Shiny new toy.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Hey. Don't look at this.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Hey, look, a squirrel. Let's see.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Dave Mahler, it says here, announces a new sideline reporter
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: for UW football. Who's that? David Mahler.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Never heard of him.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Elise Woodward on the call on Sunday for the Apple
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Cup as the new play-by-play voice of the Washington Huskies.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Washington Huskies. Elise on the call.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: My grandpa would always have that accent.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: That's a long way from Elise and Ian at night.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Ian and I at night. That's a long way. That's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: good stuff for her. She's done well for herself. Me?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I'm still here. Artie Moreno has agreed to sell the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: LA Angels to Stan Kroenke, and Anders tells me that's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not a good thing, if you remember.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: No bueno.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Kroenke likes to win, does he not?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Rams, Arsenal.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Let me think. Stanley Cup, NBA title.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: NFL title, SoFi Stadium, Miles Garrett.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Good sports owner.
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: Hmm.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: Snoqualmie Casino and Hotel on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You're telling me ownership matters? Is that what you just
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: told me?
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Did I just hear you say that? I said no
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: such thing.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just kidding.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, it does. It does matter.
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: 100%.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's not Kevin Shockey doing a victory lap.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: My co-worker, what did he say? His new co-worker is somebody,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Oh, is Mike Trout or something?
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: Shut up.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, we did see a lineup, by the way.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Give it to me.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Montez is DHing tonight.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Orozarena, Canzone, Julio. Weird. No repercussions or anything.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: Accountability, zero.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Still batting third, even though he's one of the worst
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: hitters in the lineup the last three weeks. Yeah. Cal, Naylor, Young, Montez, Crawford,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and Brock Rodden, third base, batting ninth. I don't mean
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to take shots at Brock Rodden. But it's if you're
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a contending team. Yes, it shouldn't happen.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: No.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: If you're a contending team.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Which we're not. I've tried to tell you guys this
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: team isn't going to the playoffs. Everyone just looks at
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: the standings like they're still in it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Well, they are. They're still technically in it. Minus 73
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: run differential. God, it's so bad. It's so bad. Let's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: do the math again. Should we just do the math
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: one more time for giggles?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Why not? What do they have to do to go 81-81, Ian?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: To go 81-81? Yeah. 17-7. Is this team capable of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: doing that? To have a winning record. A winning record.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: 18-6.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: 18-6.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Can they.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Have an 18-6 month of September?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Absolutely the blank nuts.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: But they're playing the Angels and the A's.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And the Rockies.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: I don't care. I don't care.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: This team is not a winning baseball team.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: 50-year-old 503. Ooh, that's down in Oregon listening on the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: OIR radio app, probably. 50-year-old original here. No commitment to winning.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: DePoto's the smartest guy in the room. Two playoffs in
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: 11 years. Get him out of here. Continued offensive philosophical failures.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Zero fundamentals or small ball. Zero, all caps, accountability. I
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: will not watch next year if anyone of Jerry... Justin
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and Dan are retained, and Kroenke just bought the Angels,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: so advantage over them just expired.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were bringing that up in all seriousness. You
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: have an owner in Kroenke, and what Kroenke Sports Entertainment is,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: they win.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And they have the financial muscle in LA to do it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: They've got all of that at their fingertips. Now, you
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: still have to hire the right people. 100%.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: You still have to hire the right people.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: He has a good track record of doing that.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, I mean... All three of his other North
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: American teams. I don't know anything about Arsenal.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Arsenal just won the title last year.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: The Premier League title.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: They're a really freaking good team. So that's really good.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And then if you look at what you have, I mean,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets, NBA champions not too long ago.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Very competitive.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Avalanche, one of the best teams in the league.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: They go to the Stanley Cup final and win it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And have the best players in the world.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Should have last year, but.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And go out and find a way to get the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: best players in the world to stay there.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Dale McCarr, Nathan McKinney, et cetera.
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: Right, right.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And the Rams, we don't need to talk about them
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: any more than needed. We'll wait until Lund joins us
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: coming up at 2 o'clock.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: That's lovely. James in the 360 says Montez batting 7th DH,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: but the news that he's giving us is he's wearing
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: number 99, which I love. I love that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Is Aaron Judge the only guy in baseball that wears
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it right now?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's more, but he's probably the only notable one.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: What, does he think he's Wayne Gretzky? What are we
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: doing here?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It's not retired. There's actually not a lot of numbers
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that aren't retired for Yankees. They have a ton of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: retired numbers.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a good point.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. 99 will be retired. Guarantee it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: At some point.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I see 99. I think of Gretzky, though. I don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: know if I like that.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: A bunch of football players that wear 99?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're football players. What happened to the days
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of wearing single digits and then teens and 20s and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you're good and that's it? Maybe a couple pitchers have
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a 30 or a 40.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I'm an advocate for number freedom.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Number freedom.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Number freedom.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: It has changed a lot. I think I've told this
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: story before. When I was in Salt Lake and I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: was working in the minor league hockey team for the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Utah Grizzlies back in the early 2000s, and we were
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: an affiliate of a couple teams over the years, Dallas, Islanders,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and Kings. But we had a guy by the name
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: of Jeff Sharples. He was a veteran player, been around
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: for a while, had a lot of NHL games under
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: his belt. kind of riding out the last couple of
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: years in the old International Hockey League, American Hockey League,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: making some money, helping the young guys allegedly. All he
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: was doing was making like six figures to play minor
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: league hockey and travel around. But he said, he goes,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I knew my NHL days were kind of numbered. When
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I went my last camp with the Detroit Red Wings,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I get there and in my locker, I'm like number 53, right?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And he's like, because back then it was like, dude,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you're headed.
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: To the minors. Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You are headed to the minors. It used to be
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that way in baseball.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Like you look out at a spring training game and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: you see guys wearing 67, like he's not going to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: be here. Now that dude, you're starting third baseman, Brock Rodden,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: or whatever number he wears. But you know what I'm saying?
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: 90.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Brock Rodden's 90. Is he really?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: God, I didn't even know that. That's actually a great
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: trivia question. What number does Brock Rodden wear?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Does it matter? Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Does it matter? I don't know. Longest running con job
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in Seattle says Tom. And the question, if you're just
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: joining us, the reason I asked this, I said earlier,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I said, what's, what is it about the Mariners? I'm
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: trying to put my, I spent last night thinking about this.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And even today, I was just kind of thinking like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: what is it about this team that has so many
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: people upset? What is it about this team that just
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: annoys you? Because it's not like, we've suffered through a
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: lot of losing seasons in Seattle baseball. Like we just have. And, and,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I think, You know, six playoff appearances in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: 50 years. I think that's it for me. Just the history?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Just the history. And maybe the frustration that comes with
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the history.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just over it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into a little more college football tomorrow,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: but just in a little brief comparison, I was telling
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Big Boss down the hall here.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Big Boss.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Big Boss, CrossFit Mark. He was asking about the Apple
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: cup or football. And I said, you know, like, like
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I want to, when, when the Cougs were in the
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: PAC 12, the real PAC 12, uh, like every year
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you went in thinking, okay, we got a chance. And
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: if we have a good season, surprise some people, uh,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: we'll finish, we can finish, you know, we'll be a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: ranked team. You know, when your game day came, there's
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: always a shot to get to a big bowl game place.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have a chance, right? You just want
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to have a chance. You just want to feel like
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: your team has a chance. All too often in the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: 50 years of the Mariners, you just feel like you
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: don't have a chance. You just don't feel like you
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: have an opportunity. And when you take that away, that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: takes some of the passion away as a fan. And
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that's hard. And I think that's kind of what we're
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: looking at right now. Last night was, and we could
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: look at 22-0 games or 19-0 games or whatever the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: other games they've had over the, you know, Robles pitching,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Parada pitching. Those games are all, to me, those are one-offs.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Last night felt like it was different. Last night felt different.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Last night felt like it was okay. And I think
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: maybe part of it is the magical number of 10 under. 500.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Even in this awful, awful American League, when you are
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: 10 games below. 500, Anders, that's a, man, that's a
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: really bad place to be. And I'm just kind of
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: looking through here. To be 10 games under, how many
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: times have they finished 10? I'm going to look this up.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: How many times have they finished at least 10 games under. 500?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It's quite interesting. They could have one of the worst
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: seasons they've had as an organization. if September doesn't go
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a lot better. Would you have ever thought that in April?
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan, he didn't like what he saw last night,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and he's ready to talk about it next.
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• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan joins us. Big thanks to Northwest Handling Systems
• 50:02
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• 50:07
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling like the more I think about it, Dan
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Wilson actually has done me a solid here. So here's
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: the thing. Ten days ago, Kate Anderson's first start. And
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: he totally mishandles that the sixth inning. And I wrote
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: about it. Even as I was writing about it that Monday,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: I was thinking, oh, man, it's a shame I'm not
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: going on with Ian this week. I was off last week.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: And then Dan Wilson goes out last night. I said
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: this to Jessamyn at one point. I said, Dan Wilson's
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: got to do his big screw-ups on Sundays and Mondays.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Because if he doesn't on Tuesday night, I don't talk
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: to you guys for a week. So Dan Wilson last night,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: it was one of the worst innings, top to bottom,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: that I have ever seen a manager manage.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not... I have the Blue Sky. I don't always
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: use it. It's been a while since I've been on it,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: but I was alerted by Anderson Hurst, Chris Crawford, and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: others yesterday. Oh, Sheehan, Blue Sky. Go check it out.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I flip over there. And I felt like you were
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: channeling the feelings, the thoughts, the opinions of many Mariner
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: fans last night. Let's unpack this a little bit, because
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: we've been having these conversations all year. I brought up
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a topic today, Joe, about this baseball team, and I've never...
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: It's odd. 50 years, six playoff appearances. It looks like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: it's going to stay at six. Obviously, a lot of
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: times there's angst here. There's some frustration with the baseball team.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It's reached a new high this season. Like it literally is, it's,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: it's like boiling over and I'm asking people why they're
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: so annoyed. And a lot of it does come back
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: to the manager. So let's, let's kind of unpack what
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: happened in that game. You have a big lead and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: then it just disappears. There were, there were a lot
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: of elements. We can get to Julio and other things
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: in a minute, but let's just talk about the 10th
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: inning and I'll let you take it from there because
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you're a lot more objective than any of us here
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in Seattle. So what the hell was going on in
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: inning number 10?
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: So I know you want to get back to the
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: other thing, but let's let's I do want to start
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: with this. This game never should have gone to the
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: eighth inning.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: The tenth inning. Bizzardo had Trevor Story and Nick Sogard 0-2.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Couldn't put him away. Julio, just a terrible decision in
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: the ninth inning, turns a single into an air quotes triple.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: And then for some reason, Randy Rosarito decided to say, hey,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: this is my Johnny Damon tribute. catching a ball like
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: 290 feet left field and like three hops it to
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: the plate. If he two hops it, the run is
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: probably out in the game. So the Mariners players set
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: all this up top of the tech. Now under the
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: current rules, runner on second. And you know that no
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: matter what you do in the top of the inning,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: the bottom of the inning is going to start with
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: a runner on second. In the specific case of last night,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Wilson was going to have to put his third-best right-handed
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: reliever on the mound. If you look at who was
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: coming up and who had been used, who was available,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: it was going to be Criswell or Vargas.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Who just came off the aisle, by the way.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Well, Criswell just didn't. Vargas really did, too. He came
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: off the aisle 10 days ago. So this is a
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: situation where you can't play for one run in a
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: context where you know you're starting the next inning with
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: a runner on second and nobody else. The team's expectation
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: in that is to score approximately one run, say 0.97
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: or something. So you can't, as a road team in
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: that situation, play for one run unless you're pulling like
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Mason Miller out of the bullpen. So the first thing
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Wilson does, and I went to look at the video
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: because I wanted to make sure this wasn't Robles bunting
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: on his own because I'd made that mistake before. But
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Robles clearly squares the sacrifice, fouls one off, squares the
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: second time, takes, squares the third time and damn near
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: bunts it past uh, Chapman for a hit. Chapman makes
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: the play runner goes to third.
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Runner on third one out. Here's the problem. It's Cole Young.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Cole Young's a very good baseball player. He's a left-handed
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: hitter going up against one of the most dominant left-handed
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: pitchers in baseball history. So you wasted an out with
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: the best matchup you were going to have in the inning.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: to set up a matchup, that's probably a 35, 40%
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: chance of a strikeout. And the, the, the outcomes that
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: aren't strikeouts are pop-ups and like two hoppers to the
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: first baseman that the, the run is not going to
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: score on. You're bunting to set up a bad matchup.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: So now you've gone from playing for one run to hoping,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: hoping for one run and, you know, uh, Chapman erases Young.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Weston Wilson comes up. Look, Weston Wilson's a little better
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: against lefties, but Weston Wilson's 31 with 380 career plate appearances.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I think if he was going to be a guy
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: you want up in that situation, we would have learned
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: it by now. So Chapman erases Wilson. So that's the
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: top of the end. Dan Wilson plays for one run,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: sets up a horrid matchup against Young, and gets nothing
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: out of it. Okay, you got two bad choices out
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: of the bullpen. Vargas has thrown four outings, six and
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: a third innings, and he hadn't pitched in two days.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Criswell literally, as Anders just noted, just came off the aisle.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know that there's a good answer there, but
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I probably would not have the guy who hasn't pitched
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: in three months come into a winning run on second,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: nobody out spot. I would have chosen Vargas. This isn't
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: the biggest mistake he made in the next 30 seconds
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: of this conversation. Criswell gets Sogard Bunce against Criswell. Runner
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: on third, one out, Chad Durbin, Caleb Durbin coming to
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: the plate, right-handed hitter. Now, if you wanted Criswell to
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: start the inning with a runner on second and a
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: left-handed batter up, don't you think you wanted him to
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: face Caleb Durbin? It's Durbin-Duran story. If you can get
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Durbin out, you can walk Durbin out, really shouldn't be
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: walked anyway, and pitch to Story. There are paths through
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: this inning with Criswell facing two decent to mediocre right-handed
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: hitters in Durbin and Story. And the other thing is,
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: if you let your pitcher pitch with a run on
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: third and one out, he has 11.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Balls to work with.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: He can try to get Durbin to swing and miss
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: at a bunch of stuff, and if that doesn't work out,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: he can try to get Duran to swing and miss
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: at a bunch of stuff. He doesn't have to throw
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: a strike until he throws 11 balls. You're giving Criswell
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to get out of it with swing and miss.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Not that he's a big swing and miss guy, but
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: you give him the opportunity. Dan Wilson intentionally walks the
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: bases loaded. And I got to tell you, man, I
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: don't like intentionally walking the bases loaded in any circumstance
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: for what the reason I just said. And yeah, you
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: can come up with edge cases where it makes sense,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: where it's Jordan Alvarez followed by Anders in the batting order,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: and all that makes sense. But in this case, where
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: you've got a right-on-right matchup, first and second base open,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I think you've got to go after Durbin. So now
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I want to go back to the first point. Criswell
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: hasn't pitched in the majors in three months. And you're
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: saying to him, we're going to take away all of
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: your rope and make you pitch to a batter But
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: the base is loaded and one out, and you have
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: no margin for error now. And sure enough, Criswell throws
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: three pitches out of the zone, comes in with two
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: sinkers for strikes. But Story knows that Criswell has to
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: throw a strike here. And that's the advantage you've given
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: away with the back-to-back intentional walks. Single into the gap,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Red Sox win. From start to finish, Ian, from the
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: decision to bunt, which to set up Nicole Young to
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: play for one run with Cooper Criswell coming into.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: The game, and then to walk.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: two mediocre batters to load the bases, taking away all
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: of Criswell's margin for error. You just don't see this anymore.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I live through Ron Washington. I once wrote 3,000 words
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: about one decision Ron Washington made in the 2011 World Series.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: This was up there in terms of managerial malfeasance. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: know we've been picking on Dan for quite a while now.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: I get that. Maybe people are tired of it. I
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: don't know. I have to say that If we grant
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: the initial thing that the game never should have gone
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: to the 10th and the players were the cause of that,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: what Dan Wilson did in the 10th inning was put
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: his team in position to lose. He made his team
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: more likely to lose. He put his players, Cole Young,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Cooper Criswell, in position to fail. And that's just the
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: prime directive is put your players in position to succeed.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: He's not doing that. He didn't do it with Kate
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Anderson 10 days ago. He didn't do it with Cole
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Young last night. He didn't do it with Cooper Criswell
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: last night.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, just a real quick side note, that
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Kate Anderson debut was borderline criminal. Like, could have had just, now,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even, it doesn't even matter they
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: came back to win the game because Randy has carried
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: this team so many times. But that was criminal in
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: his first game. Last night, you know, I'm watching it
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, this is the same thing. It's like,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: wait a second. Like, you already have the winning run
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: on third with one out. So you're already in a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: bad situation, right? So you're gonna bring the infield in
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: If you, if you want to make the, I don't
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: even think you make the argument that you walk one
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: guy for a double play because that's never guaranteed.
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: Right, Joe?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Like that's just a, that's a, that's a big, big risk.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You've already put yourself in that position.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Let's say for the sake of argument, if Duran is
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: batting and Durbin's on deck.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Okay. Well now I'm putting the runner on, but I've
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: got a decent chance of turning the two. The catch
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: there is though the runner, the runner you walk is
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: pretty much always going to go to second without a throw.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Like that's just an automatic play. Now you're not throwing
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: down and risking a throw in the center field that
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: loses you the game. So really, any intentional walk there
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: is just going to lead you back to second and third,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: nobody out in field, or one out in field.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Well, with Trevor's story coming up then, as you mentioned, 3-0,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and he's just waiting. Because he's going to get that
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: pitch that he wants. He's going to get a pitch,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: he's going to put a bat on, and the game's
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: more than likely going to be over. And when you
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: asked about, you know, are people tired of the Dan
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Wilson criticism, I think the answer is no. I think
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: it's like people are yelling it from the mountaintops here.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe, it just brings us back, bigger picture, is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: just this team. And how, I mean, I don't think
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: any of us on September 1st could have imagined, take
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the standings, games behind, all that stuff out. Because Anders
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: brings that up, and you're right, Anders. I bring that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: up all the time. Hey, they're kind of still sort
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: of in it, right? Just take all that aside. The
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners, with this roster and where they were last year,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan, they are 10 games under. 500 as we
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: start September. Like, how can that be?
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  Speaker 4: It's the more recent collapse. If you go back even
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: six weeks, they weren't playing well. They were hovering around 500.
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  Speaker 4: But you kind of looked at the underlying numbers and said,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: you know, this is still one of the better teams
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  Speaker 4: in the American League. They've lost that over these last
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: six weeks. They actually, the run differential is minus 45-50 now.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: The third-order record is now under 500. Like, all the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: things I might have been able to say about this
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: team six weeks ago have been erased over the last
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: six weeks. And, again, it's the players. Naylor, Rodriguez. Rally,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: like eight wins short of where we would have expected
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: them to be. And now the starting pitching has fallen apart.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: George Kirby, who I've been backing since the late 70s,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: has just stopped putting the ball past hitters. You know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Biller got hurt. Anderson's up. We'll see what Montez can do.
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  Speaker 4: But it's just the core players on this team, by
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  Speaker 4: which I mean the rotation, the top of the bullpen,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: and the starting lineup, the top six guys normally in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: the starting lineup. have simply completely underperformed. And they've gotten
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: good performance from some other guys. You know, we talked,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: we can't cancel a rally before he got hurt. Cole
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: Young came up and played well. Emerson obviously got hurt,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: but he held his own as a 20 year old
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  Speaker 4: in the majors. There were good things that happened this year,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: but when the top of your roster just misses a year, it's,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: it's really, really hard. And again, I don't want to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: put that on Dan Wilson because Dan Wilson managed these
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: guys last year and they all played well. So I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: think you kind of got to be careful about that.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: But from a tactical standpoint, he's absolutely murderizing. And that's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: the thing. So 64 and 74, what is it, six
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: games out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Have you looked at the last 24 games? Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. But, Joe, let's do that for a second
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: under the context of this. They're in the same category
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: as all those teams are playing. I mean, in theory,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: they're better. They should be better and all that. But
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like the Mariners are playing a bunch of
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: really bad teams and aren't a bad team themselves right now.
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  Speaker 4: They look like a bad team right now, but just
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: line up, you know, look at the lineups, look at
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: the rosters. They are light years, but certainly than the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: current version of the A's certainly better than the Rockies. And,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: you know, I guess maybe the angels, you make an argument,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: the angels are playing better, but you're talking about the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: three worst teams in baseball. And you look at that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: and go, there's an opportunity here. to go 14-3 in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: those games, to go 15-2. You're just that much better
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: than the teams you're going to play. Five of the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: other games are the teams you're chasing at home. When
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: they get back from Boston, everything is on the West
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Coast except for a three-day trip to Denver. It is
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: just a gift from the gods, the September schedule. Yes,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: they squandered a lot of that advantage over the last
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: 10 days. They should be a lot closer to first place.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: They should be a lot closer to a playoff spot.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: But if there's one team in the league that's going
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: to rip off 18-6, looking at the schedule, looking at
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: just the talent base, I think you've got to say
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: it's the Mariners. And, you know, I've been backing this
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: team all year. And I look at the talent relative
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: to the Rangers and the Astros, and I still think
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: they have that kind of upside. Obviously, it's probably going
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: to come down to the head-to-head games. And if the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Astros come in and take two out of three at
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: some point, okay, well, you know, it's not going to happen.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: If they go to Denver and lose two out of three, okay,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: it's not going to happen. But I think when you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: look at a team that's going to be favored in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: probably 20 of its last 24 games, you've got to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: still be able to say, and again, they're not chasing
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: the 27 games. The Astros have gotten to 70 in 68.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: We're kind of throwing a parade for them at this point.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: It's frustrating because I keep going back to the example
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: of Ned Yost. I want to get this year right.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: So 7, 08, I think it was 08. Ned Yost
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: is a terrible tactical manager, and he still won a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: World Series with the Royals. But two weeks left in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: the season, Doug Melvin fired him because he was such
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: a bad tactical manager. The Brewers closed 7-5, ended up
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: making the playoffs and getting knocked out. It's not too
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: late to fire Dan Wilson. It would be unusual. I'm
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: going back to 2007 or 2008 for my example here.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: Let's be clear. But it's not too late to just
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: replace him with a Ficus. Just stick a houseplant right
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: there in the corner and say, you're the manager now.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Because we're at a point where replacing Dan Wilson with
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: a plant is actually probably an upgrade. That's how much
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: he's hurting this team right now.
• 1:04:57
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  Speaker 1: two things I want to unpack with that. Let me
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: start first with, if they were to make a managerial move,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: outside of putting a ficus plant or even, you know,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a rosebush or something there in the dugout, would you,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: would you just hand it over to Manny Acta? You
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: saw what he did before as a manager. Would you just,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a managerial experience. Would you give
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: it to him or what would you do?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: He's also got a huge fan on the other end
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: of this phone call. I think Manny Acta really inherited
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: two bad jobs in his career. And that kind of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: painted him. But you're talking about a guy who almost
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: the opposite of Dan Wilson in terms of how he
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: understands game state and, I don't want to say he's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: a stat head, but he's a lot closer than Wilson is.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: I think Manny Acta would be an enormous upgrade. I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: think he's got a great baseball mind, and I think
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: that you just make that move today, and whatever happens,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: you've made the manager position better. And again, you can't
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: really go outside the organization at this point. It's got
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: to be somebody who's already in the dugout, and I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: think handing the reins to Acta It feels like what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: they did two years ago, cashiering service and going to Wilson.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: But I'm certain in this case that Manny Acton would
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: be very good in the job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you did that and it was Manny. The
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: next step would be not to hand him a three-year
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: contract and just say you're an interim. Can you just
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: say you're an interim manager?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Right? Yes.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: That's all you do. And see how it plays out.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you would consider, again, if Manny Act is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: the manager on opening day 2027, I think that's a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: boost for the Mariners. But you play it out and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: you do a real search and include Act in that search.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: But you say, look, Danny, take the job for the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: next three weeks or four weeks, hopefully seven weeks, and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: we're all in a dog pile. But there's absolutely no
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: reason to make a managerial commitment for 27 right now. None.
• 1:07:00
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• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: the Astros. Let's dance down that road for a second.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: They're at 70-68. They've played better lately. They've got probably
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the MVP of the American League on their roster. That's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: just a monster. true aircraft carrier handicap Houston for me. Like,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: are they going to, are they going to hang around?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Cause right now, if they were to finish 82 and 80,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: cause there are two games above 500, but let's just
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: say they stay on relatively the same pace and they
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: finish a little above 500. Seattle would have to do
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: what you just said. Seattle would have to go 18
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and six the rest of the way to, to tie up.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I think they have the tiebreaker over the Astros, and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: they don't have it over the Rangers.
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  Speaker 7: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: 18-6 would get you, and say Houston plays 500 ball
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and they finish two games above 500, then Seattle would
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: have the tiebreaker. But again, Seattle would have to go
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: 18-6 the rest of the way. How concerned is Houston
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: finding itself? Are they truly that team that is two
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: games above 500 and could finish even higher than that?
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  Speaker 4: They won five of the last seven. They went to
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: New York, they came here and they won four out
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: of six in the city, which is a good road trip.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Mets are competitive. The Yankees obviously a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: good team. The series at home against the White Sox.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: We've seen them in the offense. It's Alvarez, but we
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: started to see them get a little more out of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Christian Walker, get a little more out of Iza Perides. So,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: you know, the depth is there in a way that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: it hasn't always been for them this season and the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: starting pitching. So, I mean, getting a lot of Peter Lambert,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Hayden Wisniewski and, I'm not saying I don't like any
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: of these guys, but it's not what you would consider
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: to be a playoff top three. Hunter Brown, really been
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: a box of chocolates this year. You never know what
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: you're going to get. I guess the rest of that is,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: but you know, it's going to be good. And that's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: not been the case with Brown this year. He's capable
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: of going out there and walking four and five innings.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Just not looking right. The bullpen better recently. Ryan Abreu
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: got off to a terrible start this year. He's been better.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: We know they've been tough on the left side with
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: haters and getting him back. It's a very front loaded team.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: And it is a five. talent team. And I say
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: that to make the point, well, the 78, 68. So,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's one obvious point, but a team that
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: is a 500 talent team over 24 games can do
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: just about anything. And this is kind of the point
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: I'm making. I've talked about the Tigers today. I talked
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: about the Mariners today. Like there is no, real upper
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: or lower bound when you have a 500 team playing
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: 24 games, which is why 18 and six is in play.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Six and 18 is in play for the Astros. It's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: also 18 and six. We're at a point now where
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: like projections matter less than how you play on the field.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: And I know the stat isn't supposed to say things
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: like that, but it really does come down to, okay,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: who wins the head to head games and you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: what random gets hot over the, you know, does Montez
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: come up? and play like Cesar Cedeno did down the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: stretch in 85 or Shane Spencer for the Yankees in 98?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: Do you get that kind of crazy rookie performance that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: lifts the offense and makes it that much better? Does
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Carlos Vargas, who didn't pitch last night, does he end
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: up throwing 12 shutout innings in September and fixing some
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: of the bullpen problems? The range of outcomes for any
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: player over the next 25 days is just incredibly wide.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: And this is where analysis kind of over Billy Bean
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: would say, you know, my stuff doesn't work in the playoffs.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: My stuff doesn't work in September. It's just, hey, look,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: roll the balls out and let's see what happens. So
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: that's why I'm trying to keep an open mind about
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: what could happen here. Because all three of the teams
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: in this race are capable of just about anything over
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: a 24-game stretch. They've showed us that all year long.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: They've had good long extended stretches and they've had bad
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: extended stretches.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I got one more quick one for you. I didn't
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: want to let this segment go without asking because we
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: kind of glossed it over, but you mentioned the players.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: You know, Bizzardo is number five in the league in
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: terms of appearances, number one for the Mariners. I feel
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: at some time you're just kind of overusing this guy,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: but let's move on from him just in the interest
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: of time. As you said, the air quote triple. Julio,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: his defense has taken a step back, not just last night.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: The metrics tell us the defense has taken a step back.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: What does Joe Sheehan see with Julio Rodriguez?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just the reads are bad. I mean, he hasn't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: lost a ton of raw speed, but he's lost a step,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: we'll say. But really, it's just the reads just seem
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: to be off this year. And I'm not sure... It
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: could just be a bad, and the same way guys
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: have bad years at the plate. The year that Cal
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Raleigh is having at the plate, Julio's having in the field.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: The play last night, that's a judgment. You know, he
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: kind of thought he could make the play and just
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: made it. It wasn't a physical issue so much as
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: it was he reacted too late to realizing he wasn't
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: going to get to the ball. So, I mean, that's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: going to happen. But you've got to have game state
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: in mind, right? You've got to make that decision a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: little bit quicker, keep the ball in front of you.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: A single might not score. A triple is almost certainly
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: going to score with nobody else. So that's part of it.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: You know, Rosarito, he's been so great. I want to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: pick on him for one throw, but.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Man, that was a bad throw.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think Julio, the funny thing about Julio
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Rodriguez is that his floor is still going to end
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: up being like a three, three and a half one season.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: That's the thing about a superstar superstar can have a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: bad year and still be helping you. And are we
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: holding Julio Rodriguez to such a high standard that he
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: can't have a three and a half one season and,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: and still be good. I do think I will say this.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: What we've seen this year has to carry over into
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: next year. If he has this year, next year, maybe
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: you've got to start thinking about him as a right fielder.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: We've got a lot to chew on. That was a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: hell of a segment, Joe.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Dan.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Mariners, for doing it on a Monday as well.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: That's even better. It's all fresh in my mind. Tell
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: people about the Joe Sheehan newsletter, sir.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: JoeSheehan.com. Get all the information there. I've excerpted a piece
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: from today's newsletter about Dan Wilson. I actually excerpted one
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: from the Kate Anderson one last week, I think, too.
• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Look forward to next week, my friend. Thank you so much.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Ian.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: That's Joe Sheehan. Man, he was revved up today. That
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: was as good as it gets right there. That was
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: as good as it gets. We'll wrap up hour number two.
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  Speaker 6: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
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  Speaker 6: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
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  Speaker 1: A lot of good feedback on Joe Sheehan today. He
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: was revved up to say the very least. Not even
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: a Mariner fan.
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  Speaker 3: He's revved up. Love it.
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  Speaker 1: I think what it is, Joe doesn't like to see
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  Speaker 1: bad baseball. Or bad baseball decisions.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised he was as high a maniac as he was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people aren't, right?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Some aren't. Chris Crawford's one of them. So that's an
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: interesting conversation. Maybe those two have.
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  Speaker 1: I need to take a Tuesday off so they can
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: get together again and have a little spicy conversation.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because the few times that either
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's been tossed and then Maniac has been making
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  Speaker 3: the decisions, it's like, whoa. It's a completely different shift.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: It's a shift.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask the one question about, because I had
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  Speaker 1: you look this up. So, Bizzardo gets beat up a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, last year, it won't haunt him as
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  Speaker 1: bad as it will Dan, but it'll still be there
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  Speaker 1: for him. He's the guy that gave it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I heard Greg today driving in. He's talking about
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  Speaker 1: where the hell was Ferrer. It doesn't matter, right? I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: would assume tonight Munoz isn't available.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: He threw two innings.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because he went to that set. Because he came in
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  Speaker 1: the eighth. First of all, they did what we all wanted.
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  Speaker 3: The four-out save. Honestly, this is the other thing. He
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  Speaker 3: pitched well. He pitched extremely well. His center fielder failed him.
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  Speaker 3: Failed him.
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  Speaker 1: Failed him miserably. But the Bazzardo thing, I guess the
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  Speaker 1: only thing I'd ask, Dan just goes to that well,
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  Speaker 1: but where else can he go?
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  Speaker 7: One.
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  Speaker 1: And two, my God, Bazzardo. So where does he rank
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  Speaker 1: in terms of appearances?
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  Speaker 3: Fifth in the entire league. So he's made the fifth
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  Speaker 3: most relief appearances in the entire league.
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  Speaker 1: And if we're being honest, he's not in low leverage situations.
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  Speaker 3: No, not a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who the other guys are. If the
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  Speaker 1: four guys ahead of him are guys that are long
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  Speaker 1: relievers or low leverage guys, what it is. But I
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  Speaker 1: would just say... It's kind of a mixed bag. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so at least a couple of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different type of pitching than Nick Davila coming
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  Speaker 1: in and mopping things up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess I just want to give Bizarro a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a pass. To me, the guy's just
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  Speaker 1: a warrior.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you just keep going to that well. That's not
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  Speaker 1: his fault. That's roster construction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he made a mistake against Toronto. We all
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  Speaker 3: admit that. Doesn't look back to tag the guy. But again,
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  Speaker 3: it's becoming a thing where it's not one player making
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  Speaker 3: these mistakes. It's the entire team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the thing with that in Toronto, I know
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  Speaker 1: it was loud. Dan kind of tried to cover up
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  Speaker 1: for him saying it was loud there and all that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: where are the rest of your infielders? like making him
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  Speaker 1: like yelling, like, like we've all played baseball at a
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: very low level, right? Like whether it's how many outs
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  Speaker 1: are there? One out, two outs, raising your hands, just resetting. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: he's coming home. He's coming home.
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  Speaker 3: Or you have to tag the guy. You can't just
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  Speaker 3: step on the plate. I mean, it's just, it goes
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  Speaker 3: to what, what Joe was saying. An upgrade in the,
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  Speaker 3: in the dugout is possible. It goes a long way.
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  Speaker 1: And it would probably change some things. And I think
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  Speaker 1: if you want to convince your fan base that you
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  Speaker 1: really care about winning and there's a sense of urgency,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the only, the only way to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can, you can cross your fingers and hope
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: like hell, like Joe said, that you go 18 and six,
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  Speaker 1: like he seems, you don't seem confident that he does.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not. And like, I get it. Like he's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: a very projections based guy. He looks at the rosters.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: He looks at the numbers, uh, what the underlying metrics
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: say about what you can do. And yes, we think
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners are a bad baseball team. The majority of
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: these teams that we're playing against in September are worse,
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  Speaker 3: even now. Even now.
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  Speaker 1: Even now, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I get the feeling about that, but this
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: team just has no juice, man. And maybe it's coming
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  Speaker 3: from a place of wishful thinking that they don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: The Mariners are 11 games better than the A's, the Angels,
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  Speaker 1: and 12 games better than the Rockies, those teams that
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  Speaker 1: we mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The run differential, though, the Mariners are exactly the same
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  Speaker 1: as the Angels. Now, I know there's been a couple blowouts,
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  Speaker 1: but my guess is the Angels have had blowouts, too.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. Those are, what, three of the five
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: teams that you play in September?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the other two are.
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  Speaker 3: The other two are the two guys you're chasing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the series that matter.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, honestly, if we're being... That's what matters. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: The game's really against the slappies. You can't kick those.
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  Speaker 1: But if you take two out of three or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is, or three out of four this weekend from
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  Speaker 1: the A's, then that's good. But then if you lose
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  Speaker 1: to the Rangers. It doesn't matter if you lose to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: the Rangers. And probably more so even the Rangers.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because you're already behind them by a game.
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  Speaker 3: 100%. You have kind of the game. And you've already
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  Speaker 3: lost the tiebreaker.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, so... Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a mess. It's a mess.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: It's a mess.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Absolute mess.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Speaking of a mess, John Lund next.
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  Speaker 6: Now, from the Star-Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR FM
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  Speaker 6: Sports Headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Back to you by Frostbrook Coors Light. Choose chill. Mariners
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  Speaker 1: back at it tonight in Fenway against the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: They enter the game 10 games below.
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  Speaker 7: 500. Lose.
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  Speaker 1: Streak continues. Brian Wu will try to end it tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Laz Montez gets his Major League debut. Is he 6th, right?
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  Speaker 1: 6th in the lineup, I do believe?
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  Speaker 10: 7th.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: 7th? There you go. So something to keep an eye
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  Speaker 1: on later on tonight. Also Major League Baseball. Artie Moreno
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: selling the LA Angels to Stan Kroenke for about $ 4 billion.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Cronky owns the Nuggets. They've won an NBA title. The Avalanche,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: they've won a couple Stanley Cups. The Rams. You hit that.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Angels may not be a doormat anymore. That's no fun.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what else.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, Huskies.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: David Mahler announces a new sideline reporter for UW football. Congratulations, David.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have to meet him someday. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to it. You've been waiting for it all day, all week.
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  Speaker 1: John Lund standing by.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome to Ian's weekly visit with John Lund Unleashed. He's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: a Bay Area media icon who's known Ian for over
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  Speaker 6: 25 years. But don't let their age change your opinion
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  Speaker 6: of them. John takes you through the Bay Area and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: the NFC West and dukes it out with Ian over
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: the Niners and the Hawks.
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  Speaker 3: So let's unleash it. Now with John Lund, here's Ian.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there he is, ladies and gentlemen, John Lund. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking forward next Wednesday. I'll have to tape it because
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  Speaker 1: I'll be on the air, but it's the big, is
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: it Wednesday or Thursday, the big 49ers roundtable that you're
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: a part of that I hear about on KNBR.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Can't wait for that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm leading the roundtable. Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: That's right, because it's during your show, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So, uh, yeah, we're, we're getting ready for the season.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody's excited.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Aaron Donald's coming back, whatever Sean McVeigh's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: is obnoxious as ever. And I know in Seattle that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: you'll be rooting for the 49ers and you can't deny
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: it because you hate the Rams worse. I know.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: You're going to be rooting for him.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: We will get to that more, especially next week, because
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: when we do talk to you next week, we'll be
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: on the eve of the opener in Seattle, and we'll
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: be 48 hours away from 49ers Rams down under. And then, yeah,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you're right. We will have to be 49er fans at
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: least for one night. So listen, I listened to the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: show today driving in. I've got a lot of feedback.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Do you want it? I got a lot of feedback here. Yeah,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: what do you got? Commercial breaks are way too long. Uh,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: that's not, that's number one. Uh, I don't, but I'm
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: very popular.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, lots of people want to be on the show.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's all it tells me is lots of commercials.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's, I'm in demand. All the rest of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: the shows don't have any commercials.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I got to carry the whole thing. That's heavy burden.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that. That's where
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I come in. That's, that's where the feedback comes. You
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of, well, you have a lot
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: of commercials, but it's Redwood Credit Unions, like the sponsor
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: every other spot plays is Redwood Credit Union. I mean,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to go to Redwood Credit Union.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: I heard them all the time. Who is Redwood Credit Union?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Do you even know who they are? Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm a member of Redwood Credit Union. What are
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
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  Speaker 7: That's my bank.
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  Speaker 2: That's where I put the gobs of money that they
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: pay me. It's the best credit union in the history
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: of credit unions.
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  Speaker 1: I did that.
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  Speaker 7: Don't you talk down to them. I could be in
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: a lot of trouble.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I'd get a hold of this, and they'll be like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: did you hear that?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: Did you hear what he did? Did you hear what
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: he was saying, that joker in Seattle?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see. This is amazing. London trouble at KMBR.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Water's wet, sun's hot.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: What's... Yeah, I've already been in trouble a couple of times.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: I've already been.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Called into meetings.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: How many times?
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  Speaker 7: Can't say that.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: You remember?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: Can't say that. This isn't a podcast. Can't say that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Can you get fired by the same station twice in
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: the course of 24 months?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: Probably. If someone's going to do it, it's yours truly.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: I have been called into meetings already to be like, hey, remember.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: You're back on the radio. It's terrestrial. There's the SEC.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, you guys.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Are not any fun.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: Can't say that.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Before I get to the creepy guy impersonating a 49er
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: player and all that stuff in a second, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: some NFL stuff. So I did have a– I got a–
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  Speaker 1: I was very interested in the best sports cities argument
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  Speaker 1: because I found– and this all stems from– we talked
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: about this yesterday. So, like, nobody went to the USC game, right,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: because it was hot in– hang on.
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  Speaker 7: LA. Okay.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: So they didn't go to that because it was hot.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Bad team, whatever. They didn't go. And now there's this debate.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Is it media on media crime about if LA is
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: a good sports town?
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  Speaker 7: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So what happened was, so they're going crazy. They do
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: this every year, right? They do this in LA every year.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: They have this debate.
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  Speaker 2: So they don't show up. And USC is the professional team.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody knows.
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks fans dominate down there. We call it Levi's South here.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Niner fans go down there. The whole reason why the Rams,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: by the way, are playing the 49ers, because the 49ers
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: take over their stadium anyway, so they thought, let's just
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  Speaker 2: take it out.
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  Speaker 7: Let's go to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: They had their choice to play anybody, and they took
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the 49ers. But essentially what happened was the Coliseum.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: Holds about 80,000 people. It's San Jose State. They stink.
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  Speaker 2: And then you've got heat in LA, you know, excessive
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: 90 degrees until nobody went. And they said, I think
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: they said.
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  Speaker 7: There was like 50,000.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I watched the game cause I got nothing
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: else to do. So there's maybe 30,000 in that place.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: And so then what happened was Jim Rome comes on
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: and he says something like, Hey, we're a bunch of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: front runners essentially.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: And there's lots to do in California.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Then Bill Plasky, their main columnist at the LA time
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: goes crazy. Then our friend.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: Colin Coward jumps in.
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  Speaker 2: So these guys are having media on media crime about
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: how good of a sports city L.A. is when we
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: all know that it's a front-runner sports city because what
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Plasky tried to write was that we're discerning fans.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: So in other words, we don't go if you suck.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Well, doesn't that fly in the face of being a
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: good sports city? I mean, this is an endless conversation,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: but I even, I gave Seattle credit on my show today.
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  Speaker 7: I was saying, look, I think the Bay area is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: the best sports city on the West coast. I should
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: say that that's where I am, but I think Seattle's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: really good. We don't have the college influence that you
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: have like Sanford and Cal, even when Harbaugh and luck
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: were good. We didn't, we don't talk about college football ever.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: We're not a very good hockey town unless the sharks
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: are really good, which they might be shortly. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think because we've had this rivalry, I mean, football,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: we're both into football. You guys get the Sonics back.
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  Speaker 7: You didn't lose this. Just like the A's and the Raiders.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: They didn't lose them.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Because they have bad fans. They have bad ownership, bad deals,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. That's not why the Sonics left.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, it was a bad owner who
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: was going to.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right. So I don't that's not checkmark against Seattle
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: or anything.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: But I think it's just always a fascinating conversation.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 7: Because the other thing too is, and I know people
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: get mad at this, but like all of us are
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: front runners, media, fans, everything. Because when it starts to.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Be on the news, like last year, Seattle went, right,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. You know this because
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: you work in TV, you've worked in TV news a ton.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, when, as the sports guy, you're
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: leading the sports cast.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 7: You know, the two anchors come on and go, and
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: it's the 11 o'clock nightly news. Hey, here's Ian Ferdows.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: What's going on with the Seahawks?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Normally, it's like you get 90 seconds at the end
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: of the broadcast, right? But everyone's front running, so they
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: want to, they throw to you like.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: A minute into the broadcast, right? Well, that's what you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: do when your team wins. So there's nothing wrong with
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: being a front runner. Every city does that.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go from D block to A block just
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: like that in the newscast. You know something's going on.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: You listen to that.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly. D block to A block.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: You got it. There you go.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Use that on your show. You'll sound smart. John Lund
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: joining me. I bring it up for this reason. Two things. One,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Stanford's a joke, dude. They're a joke. Like there was like,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: there's like 12 people at that game. They're like, that's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: a joke.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: Like, like, yeah, no matter how bad you are, that's
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: just a job.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: But you know, you brought up the sports town. I
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: did hear you give Seattle a little bit of credit. I, I,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: whatever list you had in front of you, whoever made
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: that list had Kansas city is number 10. That's a,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a joke. They've got, they're a good
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: chief town, but nobody cares about the Royals.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: And that's, they don't have anything else.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: And that's it.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: They only have those two teams. And if you want
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: to go to the colleges, none of the colleges are
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: in Kansas city. They're all a drive.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: So I think about that.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think we'd all admit this,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: that the tier one cities, like the tier one cities
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: are Boston, Philadelphia, New York. I think you throw Chicago
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: in there. There's different variations of it. See, I think
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: that if you go to a game, no matter what,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: like giant, the giant stink, they're.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: Worse than the Mariners, like way worse than the Mariners.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: And they've had 35, 40,000 all season long. Is that good?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Like, does that mean you're a good sport because you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: support a bad team or should you sit home and go, Hey,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: we're not coming until you get better. So like good
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: sports cities will say, well, we go to all.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: The games and we support, we do this and we
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: do that.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you were smarter because there's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: no consumers that do that in any other walk of
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: life except for sports. Like if you go to a restaurant,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I use this as the example, and they've got horse
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: meat in there and they say.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: Hey, if you keep coming, we'll get you Wagyu beef.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: It's like, well, dude, I'm not waiting until Wagyu beef.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: But right now that's what the giants stink. And yet
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: we're getting 35 and 40,000 every night.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: Like it's crazy to me.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up to
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: set this up because we've been talking about this today.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: So just in terms of attendance, right, and actually an
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: average per game. And you guys, there's a little bit
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: of a grain of salt here because one of the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: teams would be the Red Sox. I mean, they have
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: a smaller stadium. They're number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: They're ninth. Ten is Atlanta. But the two teams that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: kind of jump out in terms of major league attendance
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: are The 49ers, the Giants and the Mariners, they're both
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: in the top 10. They average basically within 600 fans
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: of each other, 35.9, 35.6. You just mentioned it, like
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: the Oracle Park people go. And I brought that up
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: for this reason when I heard you talking about it today.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: There's a couple parallels here. One is both have a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: former legendary catcher running some part of the team.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: You guys have him running.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: The whole team, and he seems to be extremely over
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: his skis in Buster Posey. The guy that dug out
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: here in Seattle is way over his skis in Dan Wilson.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: But on the other side is this, John. This is
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I'm curious from how the Giants in the Bay Area
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: thinks about this. If you're the Giants and you're their ownership, And, yeah,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: you're having an awful year. You're 57-81. But what pressure
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: is there to win when you're putting people in the seats? Now,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: those aren't your diehard Giants fans. Those are people just
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: wanting to hang out at Oracle Park. We kind of
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: have the same thing here. Like, is there really pressure
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: to win when you're in the top 10 in attendance? Well,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: our team's 10 under, so it's not like they're much better.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: What's the pressure like in San Francisco on the Giants
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: to win, or is there any?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I think you bring up a great point. I brought
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: this up before. Why would you improve something? You know
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: this as well as I do, and I know you've
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: talked to a lot of owners, too. I think fans
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: are under the impression, and I'm sorry to pull back
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: this curtain, that all owners want to win, and they don't.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of owners want to win. The Mark Cubans
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: want to win Joe Laker, but the warriors, you know,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: all that Jerry Jones doesn't want to win. Jerry Jones
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: wants to win the financial game, which is the, the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Cowboys are worth $ 15 billion. That's the, that's the scoreboard
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: he keeps. And there's a lot of owners that think that.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: So you're right. Logic would tell you there's, you know,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: as much as people complain about the Dodgers, they want
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: to win. They put money back into the, into the team.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: They get all the, they do the trades.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: They do it.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: And we're jealous of the Dodgers a little bit as fans,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: but You can tell the teams that want to win
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: and you can.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: Tell the teams that don't want to win.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: And I don't, I've questioned this before with the giants here.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't know enough about the situation in Seattle
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: to make that parallel, but I don't think the giants
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: owners want to win. I mean, I go to their ballpark.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: They got a big, they like a lot of teams are.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 7: Doing right now.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: They sold a percentage of their team and brought in, uh,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money. Well, they didn't put it back
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: into their baseball operations. They put it back into the
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: stadium so that every time you turn around, there's a
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: bar within five feet of you. I mean, they completely
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: changed the, the, the setup of the ballpark internally. And you,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's to bleed more money out of your
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: pocket and that's fine. If you want to be a
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: business first kind of a ball club, that's fine. But they, the,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: the situation is, so they won world series in 10,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: 12 and 14. They, between that time, they had a 2021,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: which I don't know how you can get lucky over 162,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: but they won 107. And then one other time they
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: got in, in 16. So eight of the last 10 years,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: they haven't been in the playoffs and get this. They
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: haven't been over 500. So they've won 81 games a
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: couple of times, but they haven't been at over 500
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: in eight of the last 10 years. And yet there's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: 40,000 at the ballpark. And we'll ask again, is that,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: does that mean they're good fans.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: Or dumb fans?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: And I think the bigger thing is what's the incentive
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: for the owners? Like would they look out? Cause cause
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Oracle park to me is very much like here at
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: T-Mobile is this T-Mobile is, is phenomenal. I think you've
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: been there. It's, it's a great ball. Great ballpark, great amenities,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: cool atmosphere. You can walk around. You know, and, you know,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: go to the, if you're, you know, you can go
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: hang out in Bro Center Field with all the bros
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: and do your thing. And they got same thing, bars.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've done that.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Food there is high end. I mean, they got all,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: it's perfect. It's the place to be in the summer.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: And no matter how bad you might be, you're still
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: in the summer months until football starts at least. You're drawing, again,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: they're seventh in the league. They're 35,000 people. It's crazy
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Every game, how much incentive is there
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: to win? Like just to really invest in the product
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: like you just said. Because Seattle's 16th in payroll, the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Mariners are. But they're seventh in attendance. And they're a
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: top 15, 11 or 12 media market. They probably should
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: spend more. San Francisco is even worse in that regard.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: They're a top three or four media market, and they're
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: eighth in attendance. Is there incentive to win? Because your
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: diehard fans are not there every day. A lot of
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: your diehard fans are watching on TV, right? They're calling
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: into your show. They're texting into my show. That's what
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: they're doing.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Well, and what the Giants do is I said this
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: on my show the other day is they're really good
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: at everything but baseball. And what I mean by that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: is I can't went into the Hall of Fame. He
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: just had his number retired on Saturday. They're 10, 12
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: and 14 teams. They do a million things all the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: time to celebrate those guys, even though that was 13
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: years ago. They're always doing things. They do amazing, you know,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: just all sorts of giveaways. And the ballpark sells itself.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: It's right on the water on the bay. If you
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: haven't seen it, it's, you know, Seattle's.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: Got a beautiful park. It's one of the more beautiful parks.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Around.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: And so what they do is they do this amazing
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: job of marketing this team. They have some of the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: best broadcasters who have been around forever. Everybody loves the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: broadcasters here. They do all sorts of cool stuff to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: do around the ballpark, just like there is in Seattle.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: They do everything right except for baseball. And that's what
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: draws people because we're sitting in California and it's a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: beautiful day and who wouldn't want to go to the
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: ballpark and everything is great except for the actual baseball itself.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of teams that are like that.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: They would rather market it do all these things, put
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: money back into the product.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: So that you almost don't know that the team isn't good,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: as weird as that sounds.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the criticism here of Seattle.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Sounds very familiar. You just basically, every Mariner fan's nodding
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: his head going, now, that's the perception.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Is it reality?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tend to think that that's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: kind of what it is, reality. The perception is the reality.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: It's John Lund joining us, as he does every week.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? Tell us a story about
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the weirdo guy that impersonated a 49er player. Oh, my God.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: And duped some woman who sounds like she was a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: gold digger anyway into, like, giving her, like, what the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: hell is going on with that football team, man, between
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: that and Jed York?
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jed York.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk is still MIA.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Like, what the hell?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah. It's crazy.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the story is, and everybody's read it by now,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: but this guy duped a number of women. I think
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: it was up to 26 women, over a million dollars.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: And I mean, the first question he had to ask
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: him is, do you have any idea of football? Like
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: anything at all? Do you know what this ball is
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: that's in front of you? And if they said no,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: then I think you could prey on them. If they
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: knew anything, it was like, okay. Because I mean, he's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: talking about like, waiver wire claims and, and, and, and
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, everything he's running.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: Routes on sand. He's just, he's, his helmet was everywhere.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Like he walked around with a helmet on like any,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: just any small sign would have tipped anybody off who
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: knew anything about football.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, it He's really one of the dumbest.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: And you know what I equate it to? I watch Jeopardy,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: and no offense to really smart people, which I'm not,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: but the eggheads know nothing about sports. And so it's
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: comical when they put a sports topic on because they
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: can't get any of it. But then me, on the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: other hand, all the other topics, I can't get any
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: of those. So he just preyed on women who know
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: zero about football and basically said that he was a
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: football player for the 49ers. But all you'd have to do,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: even if you were the dumbest person, you just Google it.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: And so he had answers for that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, when you're.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: On injured reserve, then you don't.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: And if you're not on it, it's like, what are
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: you talking about?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: Like the whole thing was just crazy.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: But to your point of Jed York, Kyle.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: Shanahan, just the weirdest things that have happened to him.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: And then he just chooses that.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: To, to have it be with the 49ers. And then
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: the funnier thing about it is they have a wide receiver.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: His name's Deshaun Stribling.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: He's their second round pick at Ole Miss. He's a,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: he's a really good player.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: So, you know, at the end of cut down day,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: you can have any, you know, if there's open numbers,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: you can take that number. So in preseason, he wore 15,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: he's wearing seven. It's like, dude, you're a rookie wide receiver.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: This whole Dajon love.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: Thing's going on.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: He said he was a wide receiver wearing, of course,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Kaepernick seven with the 49ers. It's like, don't take number seven.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: Like the kid took number seven. Like it's just, It's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: just so– like.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: The whole thing is just the weirdest, wildest.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: And plus the players are now jumping all over it
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: and they're having fun with it. There's all sorts of
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: stuff on social media that I'm sure people have seen
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: of guys faking the whole thing. Like this is one
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: of the wildest stories I have ever seen. And then
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: it comes out today that before he was a fake
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: football player.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: He would tell people he was a fake basketball player
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: playing overseas.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's just like this– This dude, like, he's that
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: guy on Saturday Night Live, like, yeah, that's the ticket.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: Like, he would just tell a lie, and then it
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: just became, like, lie, lie, lie. Like, unbelievable. Crazy.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Go back to Stribling for a second. Is he the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: first person to wear seven since Kaepernick?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: No, they've had it because they had Shavarius Ward at
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: corner and some other guys have worn it.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: But it's, yeah, they didn't retire it or anything like
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: that or whatever the case, not issue it. But yeah,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: it was just the weirdest.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Thing because they, you know, usually have numbers or whatever.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: So then the Everybody, you know, throw the Niners, put
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: out their email of what numbers.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 7: Guys had switched to. And it's like, I don't know, dude,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: you might want to let the Dajon love number seven,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: kind of like, you know, cool off for a second,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: but the kid took it.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: So he's going to get a bunch of like, when
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: he comes into Seattle and he goes running out the tunnel,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: he's wearing number seven.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 7: Everybody was like, Hey, Dajon, you know, he just set
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: himself up for it.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Come on, bro.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: Don't wear seven.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Don't wear seven. He's a former Coug, too, that guy.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Good luck. Sometimes the hands aren't quite.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: You mean the Cougs aren't the brightest?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 11: No, no.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the hands don't match the body. Because
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: you look at the body, you're like, this guy looks
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: like the dude, man. And then you're like, no, I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: think actually he's going.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 7: To be fine.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: You know what the craziest part of this whole thing, too,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: is at NFL Shop over the weekend, the number one
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: selling jersey was a customized Love 7 jersey.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: That was the best-selling jersey.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Was Dajon Love. So the Love 7 49ers jersey was
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: the number one selling jersey over the weekend.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: How crazy is that? Here in Seattle, the funny thing
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: is people lost their mind when Trevon Diggs took number 16.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, that's Tyler Lockett's number. Like, you
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: can't just give it to him. It's like, wait a second,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett? We all like Tyler Lockett, but there's this
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: little small uprising of, say, you took Tyler Lockett's number,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like, first of all, he's been gone for
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: two years, and it's the NFL. There's only so many
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: numbers you can ever retire. And again, but the only
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: number that hasn't been used, as far as I can tell,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: since the first Super Bowl was is 54. It was Wagner's.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: And now he's a first ballot. And he's a first
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer. I was sitting there with Cliff
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Averill because he started working for us right after he
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: retired and we're sitting out there watching practice and some
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: dude comes out, some undrafted free agent comes out in
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: 56 and he's like, what the disrespect, man!
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: It's like... You know....
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, they put some tall linebacker in KJ Wright's 50
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: as well, right after he left. And KJ's like, what the,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I texted him. I go, dude, are you kidding me?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I just, the guy looks like me.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: So they're going to make him 50 with the disrespect.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I don't, you can't retire numbers
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: in the NFL for God's sakes, but.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: No. Well, even, even it's getting to the point where
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 7: like with the Yankees or something, like they don't have any, like, I.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Don't think any single digits left. So they got guys
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: wearing like spring training numbers. Like some dudes like 97,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: you know, they're bringing up shortstops.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: That are wearing like 53. Like, come on, man. Like,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: I don't know, do a ceremony.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: And that's really like Jeff Canada giants just got 21 retired.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: Like they don't have too many giants ones, but like
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: the Yankees have like 25 numbers retired.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: It's like, there's no numbers left.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Not, not, not at all. All right. Next week, we
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: will reconvene on Tuesday. It will be going to be great.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. Cause we'll, let's see. We'll bash each other,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: then bash the Rams back to each other and then
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: bash the Rams.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: We'll be back to rooting for the Niners.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: God, we got to root for the Niners next week.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm talking about.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: We got to root for the Niners.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: How about your own?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: So I thought he was a Niner, but he's a
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: Steeler fan.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't, don't get in on that, John.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: It's whatever.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: He knew that they played in the Super Bowl against
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: the most crooked, you know, that was the most crooked
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl in history, right?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: Against, I can't remember who that was. Who was that?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: As long as, listen, just see, as your friend Rasheed
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Wallace said, CTC cut the check and all will be well.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: Just CTC, baby. Cut the check.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Just cut the check. All you guys don't know what
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: that means.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Cut the check. Let's cut the check.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Cut the check, man. Just cut the check.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Cut him off.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: He's done. I'll talk to you next week.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 8: See ya.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: See ya.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: There's John Lund.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break. I think we might have a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: talk back or two. One or two. We'll get to
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: those coming up next.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: Now back to Ian Furness on your home for the Huskies, Kraken,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: and the 12th man. Brought to you by Seattle's closest
• 1:41:11
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• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: All righty. We got some talkbacks.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: Fire away, Anders.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: You want to know what makes this team unlikable? It's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: the fact that your manager can't even come up with
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: a good answer to a question other than it's a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 8: tough day. And you've got a GM or whatever the
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: hell DiPloto is who is an arrogant son of a
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: gun who probably does not relate to any players.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Tough one tonight. Tough one tonight. I feel bad for Dan.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: He needs media coaching so bad right now.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: He's not getting it.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this with, you know, like we always,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: we got to drop in here somewhere, anything else drop
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: from Dave Pearson, who's the VP. Anything else?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Dave learned from the best, who's Gary Wright.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: And Dave and Gary Wright and Homer's talked about this.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Those guys, they get prepped. Mike McDonald's the same way now. Like,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: just help him.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: Coach him.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: He tried yesterday. He said difficult game, and then he
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: went right back to tough game later. And now it's
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: become just a meme. People want to make fun of it.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Does he know it's a meme? Does he know it's
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: a thing? Does he know that every time he says that, everyone.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Just face palms? I think because of how he started
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: it yesterday, he knows. I don't know. Maybe not. I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, they could win the next two, then
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: take three or four from the A's, and all of
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: a sudden you go, wow, how about that? They've won
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: five of their last six, five of their last seven, whatever.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: You'd be all happy, right?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Know.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to wait to see what ends up happening
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: at the end of the year. But if they end
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: up actually going to run in September and they fall
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: one or two games short, that'll almost be worse than
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: just bottom falling out. All right, next.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what bumps me about the Mariners.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 13: They act like they've done one something.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: They have.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 13: They haven't ever.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: Even been to the World Series.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 13: They get mad about the piggyback. We keep players around
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 13: too long. We ain't making the moves we need to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 13: make to.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Get over the hump.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 13: Meanwhile, two blocks north, I'm pretty sure they'll do anything
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 13: they need to do to win the game. You could
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 13: ask Sam Darnold to play special teams. He'd probably do
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 13: it if he helped the team out. And that's what
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 13: really grinds my gears.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: The culture part of it's big. We talked about it before.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: The Julio brain farts, bizarro brain fart, whatever it is
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: out there. And then Julio's, there's no retro, there's nothing.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: There's no accountability. There's no, it's, and you don't have
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: to yell and scream at anybody, but I don't know.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Even if it's behind the scenes, even if you're not
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: going to bench him, move him down the order or
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: anything like that, I want to see that there's a
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: little bit of a change in attitude.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: That something is being said to him because I don't
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: think there is.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I mentioned earlier, last year, Jamie
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Oleksiak was benched for a couple games. Veteran, vested veteran
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: by Lane Lambert. Guess what? He came back and he
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: started standing up for his teammates. Got the message.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: Next.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Ian, the most annoying thing is Jerry fricking DePoto. I
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: can't believe there's people that actually support him and think
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: he's done.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: A good job.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: Done a good job at what? Scouting pitchers? There's more
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: to your job. His free agent sightings are a joke.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: The analytics are awful. He watched Moneyball one too many
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: times and thinks he's Billy Bean. You can't rewrite the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: game with piggyback and everything he does.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: He has puppet managers.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: He is an absolute egotistical joke who thinks he's smarter
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: than anyone.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: And he's an idiot.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: No comment.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: Next.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: Dan Wilson is the problem with the Mariners. You can
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 9: see it on his face in the post-game interviews. He
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 9: has no idea what's going on. You can see it
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: on the face of the players on the field. They
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 9: have no confidence in their leadership. None of them care.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: They couldn't be motivated to make a sandwich by their leader,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 9: Dan Wilson.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 7: He needs to go. He is the problem.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 9: Jerry DiPoto put together a 54% lineup like he always does,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: and Dan crapped it away.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: The question, by the way, if people are just tuning
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: in that we asked at the start of the show today,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: what is it that's annoying you about this team? Because
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: everyone seems to be annoyed for some reason, different reasons,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: at this team. There's a couple of common denominators here.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Do we have a couple more left?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 11: Ian Anders, 39-year-old man who lives in Spokane now. My
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 11: buddies and I used to have the 16-game pass for
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 11: the Mariners when we were younger, and we would go
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 11: to about 20 games a year. We were diehard fans
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 11: when they were losers back then. We gave them all
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 11: the chances.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 14: In the world.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 11: And now we're all 30 and we're 40. We ain't
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 11: going to games. We're watching and we are making fun
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 11: of them on the text thread. And one more thing.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 11: This team never had a legit managerial search. Jerry just
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 11: trotted out Dan like, oh, here's our puppet. Here's Dan Wilson,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 11: a Mariner Hall of Famer who's hit a career 260.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Whoop-de-doo.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: Look at us.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 14: Here's Dan Wilson, Mariner Hall of Famer. He's going to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 14: save us. It was such BS. I smelt it from
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 14: a mile away. I knew it was going to be horrible.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: I will push back a little bit from ev i
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: don't know this for a fact but from everything that
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: most have drawn the conclusion of dan wilson was an
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: ownership hire not a jerry i.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Think that's i think that's i think yeah i think
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: that's kind of it it was not jerry's choice we
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: have any left yep i'll.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 10: Walk in chip here i i don't know i i
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 10: don't know um I think what frustrates me the most
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 10: is that this historic run we've been on would be
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 10: grounds for firing in any other franchise. That's how bad
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 10: we are. And I think they're going to use it
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: to bring everybody back. I really do. And it's not
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 10: impossible to win a World Series with this ownership, but
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 10: sustained winning is. We might stumble into one, but my God,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 10: the sell-off afterwards. I don't know.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Oof.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: Oof.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: Is that it?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Last one.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, Anna, Joe Sheehan, JoeSheehan.com.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 15: I was talking about the Mariners game, and I was
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 15: thinking watching the game, you know, what would Ian Furness do?
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 15: And he'd probably come up with some obscure hockey reference, but,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 15: you know, I want to go back to the game.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 15: You know, this guy on third, you essentially give Chris Wall,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 15: you know, 11 balls. You have 11 balls to throw
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 15: a strike, and he didn't do that. You know, walk
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 15: the bases, Logan, you could have pitched a story, and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 15: so forth. And the thing with Julio Rodriguez is his
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 15: floor is a lot higher than other superstars, but his
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 15: floor is higher than his other floor, and a 3.5
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 15: to the other wall on the other floor. So, you know,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 15: but they're still going to go 6-18. They could easily
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 15: go 18-6. I actually wrote a 3,000-page story on it, JoeSheehan.com.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: I'm speechless.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 7: It's so good.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the technical stuff works back there.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: I need you to save that. We've got to play
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: that for Joe next week.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, I got it.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: I got that one. I got it.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God. Done.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: Easy.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: Playing it for Joe. Oh, that's so good.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Every now and then you guys just
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: hit home run. That is so good. Yeah, that was.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Gold. That was good.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: 206.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan coming off the top rope saying a house
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: plant as a manager is an upgrade. I know.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: We have to play that for Softie. Oh yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Do you have that?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Can you pull that? Yeah. Let's... Somebody else, 206. Every
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: dissatisfied Mariners fan should just order a plant delivered to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the Mariners and drop one off at the stadium the
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: first home game after.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: The Boston series. That's from Julia Kirkland.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Oh God.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: Ugh.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: The techs today are phenomenal. I've got to just tell
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you guys, you're awesome. You guys are fantastic. We keep
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: talking about the mirror September schedule. The teams we play
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: are looking at us the same way. They aren't the
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: bad teams. We are the bad teams.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Somebody else just says the fourth worst team in the
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: league playing the three worst teams in the league. Yeah,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: we've got a good chance. Okay. Joe Sheehan, that is
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: one of the best ones of all time. That is
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: one of the best ones of all time.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: We good?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: We're good.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you, people. You guys were good today. You guys
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: were really, really. And if you're sitting down there at T-Mobile,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: you're in there, and you're even tuned in, like, what
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: the hell, they're bashing us? The passion's still there. That's
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: what I got out of today, Anders. Honestly, people, again,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: it's better that people are pissed, interacting, sending texts, than
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: just apathetic. Now, the apathy could kick in the next
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: week or two. But you're starting September. It used to
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: be in this town. Hey, if they just get us
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: to September, they're kind of in it. God, this is
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: a year like you look at it like, God, they're
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: 10 games under.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: They're out of it.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: No, but they're still in it. Weird year.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 7: Weird year.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: NFL season starts a week from tomorrow on a Wednesday.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: Weird year.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: They took us to that point, I guess.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Softies next.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: It's not too late to fire Dan Wilson. It's not
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: too late to just replace him with a fight. Just
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: stick a house plant right there in the corner and
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: say you're the manager. Because we're at a point where
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: replacing Dan Wilson with a plant is actually probably enough.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: That's how much he's.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: Hurting his team.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan off the top rope as somebody texted in.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: And he's not normally like that, right, Joe?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: No, he's not.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: No, he's not.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: That's not his personality.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: Julian Kirkland heard that, and she says on the text line,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Who's Julian Kirkland?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: She's a listener.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: Oh, Julian.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: I thought you meant Julian. Yeah, Julian Kirkland. Like Julian Love. No,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: she said, Every dissatisfied Mariners fan should order a plant
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: delivered to the Mariners' dugout or drop one off at
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: the stadium in the first game after the Boston series.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: So a plant would be an upgrade, apparently.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I, uh.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: You know, you were talking earlier. I heard you coming
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: in today. I was over at UW.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Frickin' Motley.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I was scouting out seats for your band.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get into that. I want to
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: make sure you guys are comfortable. I'm really worried about that.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: Right in the game on Sunday.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: We're not getting good enough free tickets. We can't come.
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  Speaker 1: Stay focused here.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 12: I'll do you a favor. I'll move off that topic
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 12: for now. You know how little I care. But I
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 12: heard you on the air. You were talking about it
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 12: was a classic Ian Furness topic.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: What annoys you?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: But why do you hate that?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Actually, it was more creative than that. Why? It was
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: more creative than that.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: Tell me why.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: What is it about them that annoys you? What is
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: it about them? What is it about annoying you?
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: What is annoying?
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 12: Tell me why. I know what annoys you. You took
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 12: up an entire segment to explain why. No, this is
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 12: a classic sports radio trick. I was like, that son
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 12: of a bitch.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: I took up an hour.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: It's incredible. Absolutely incredible, man. Oh, God.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: What annoys you about him? Well, I thought to myself.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Mascots playing with post-game hosts? Well, I just, first of all,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I just want people to read a room.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: Read a room.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 12: And I don't know who's producing that show. Probably some
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 12: poor bastard making, you know, 20 bucks an hour, whatever.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 12: And they got this B-roll clip of Brad Adam, who
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 12: I like Brad.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: I like Brad. How could you not like Brad?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Good guy.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 12: But there's a B-roll of him with the green freak
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 12: mascot for Boston that probably was recorded during the game
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 12: or before the game.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 12: And they decide to put it on their postgame show
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 12: after we all got kicked right in the balls. And
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 12: I'm just like, guys, don't do that. Take that off
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 12: the air.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Read a room.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to see that.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 12: I mean, you skip over Julio's mistake, which was mistake
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 12: number one on their part, and then you show Brad
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 12: Adam dancing around with a freak on the field at
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 12: Fenway Park, and then we're all supposed to, you know,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 12: the guy, who was the Red.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Sox starting pitcher last night?
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, what was his name? The guy with the mustache.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: He does that thing with Ken's own. Yeah. That's not funny. No,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: I don't find that funny.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Fat Tom.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 12: So, I mean, maybe for you guys, it's funny because
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 12: you won the game. But for me, it's not funny.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 12: So it's just it's just unbelievable how tone deaf they are.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: At times.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 12: And then it's just the arrogance. Like, I think when
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 12: you say things like, you know, arrogance, you think the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 12: players are all cocky. I think the franchise itself has
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 12: a little bit of an arrogance problem in that they
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 12: think that they can be the only team in baseball
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 12: that can have players make these mental mistakes over and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 12: over and over again and not do a damn thing
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 12: about it. I've mentioned this on the air about what
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 12: Pat Murphy did to Cooper Pratt last week. If he
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 12: was coaching this baseball team, he'd have a stroke every day.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 12: And there'd be multiple times where guys would have been yanked.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 12: A Rose Arena, Josh Naylor, Julio Rodriguez, multiple times.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: And you know what, guys?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 12: Maybe, just maybe, if they had a better attitude towards
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 12: that and a better culture, maybe these guys aren't making
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 12: the mistakes they're making now. Maybe if you nip this
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 12: in the bud in April, you're not seeing Julio Rodriguez
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 12: do what he did last night and throw a ball
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 12: into a stands with one out when he thought there
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 12: were two.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: What kind of odds would you have given me that
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: they would be 10 games under. 500 on the 1st
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: of September?
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have wasted a penny on it. I mean,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: it's shocking, right?
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 12: I mean, guys, the Kansas City Chiefs are 14 games under.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: 500.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: Or the Royals, sorry. The Royals are 14 games under.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: 500.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: And we're two games better than them. Two games better
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: than a team that's 40.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 12: We are closer to the bottom of baseball than we
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 12: are the number one wild card in the American League.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 12: It's amazing how far this team has fallen. So, you know,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 12: Dick asked me last night, is it time for Wilson
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 12: to go? Well, guys, either A, he's got.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: To be fired.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Get a plant.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 12: Or B, he's got to wake up and just morph
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 12: into something totally different.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: A ficus.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: Which I don't think he can do.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: It's been time for him to go for it.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: Can't do it.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 7: A month.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: Can't do it.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: Two months.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Andrews, you know what just happened? Softie answered the question.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: What is it about marriage that annoys you?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: But why? Spend an entire hour. Why do they make
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: you angry? Spell angry.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: What is angry? You know what you need is a thesaurus.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: I'm going to buy you something.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: You can look up synonyms for anger. You know what
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: I need? What is angry? I need a baseball team
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: that's not like Groundhog Day, and I need football season
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: to get here. What are you doing today?
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 12: Well, you know what's funny about that? We got the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 12: Apple Cup on Sunday. Seahawks go Wednesday.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: And what kind of world are we living in?
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: All I want to do is bitch about the baseball team.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: That's all I want to do. I just want to complain.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: I want to complain and scream and yell.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: We're not going to be complaining about the Seahawks on
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Thursday next week, are we?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I heard fame kind of talk like, oh,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: they're going to kick their ass. And I'm like, no.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 12: I don't know, man. It's just incredible. I'm semi-shocked at Wilson.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: Are you?
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 12: Well, I knew he was a quieter guy and a
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 12: guy that didn't like to ruffle a lot of feathers,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 12: but I just would have thought at his age, after
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 12: how many years he played for Lou, that there'd be
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 12: just a little, just a little, just a.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: Little bitter at us. Just a little bit there. There's
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: just nothing there. He's batting third tonight. He's batting third tonight.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 12: Yeah, these guys are walking all over him, and he
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 12: doesn't even know it. It's like what I said on
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 12: that little Twitter video a couple days ago.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: You made a tweet? I did. I made a tweet.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: And an Instagram post. The culture on this team is terrible.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: It is awful.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 12: And the players don't even know it. They don't even
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 12: know it. The manager doesn't know it. I hope Jerry
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 12: knows it, and I hope John knows it. But the players,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 12: they don't even know how bad their culture is. Anders,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 12: I almost root for the losses now.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: I do too.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: You know why?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: Because what I want is the real on Instagram. And
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: here's how it always starts. All right, guys, I'm telling
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: you right now. And then it just goes on. It's
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: calm at first. It's calm at first. And then Mount
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Mauler starts to just... It's like when St. Helens went up.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: It's a little puff of smoke, puff of smoke.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: Who was the guy that said he wasn't leaving? I'm
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: not freaking leaving. Was it Harry Truman?
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: The guy that owned the cabin.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: Not the president.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: No, he owned a cabin at Mount St.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: Helens.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 7: I'm not leaving.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. And he got blown to bits. Hey, man,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: if a guy wants to go, it's his time.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: He wants to go.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 12: What are you doing today? We're late. Husky Honks will
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 12: be here. New sideline reporter. That's right.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Congratulations. Greg Lewis.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: Mario Bailey will be here. Pay me my money. Pay
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: me my money.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 12: Is there an uglier sideline reporter in football? Pee Wee Herman,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 12: the new sideline reporter for UW football. God, you know
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 12: what I'm hoping for? You know what I'm hoping for?
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 12: Is there a Quinn, what's his name?
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, Kesenich. Please let him be on our show.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 12: A game with you on the sideline this year. I
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 12: don't talk like this very often. I almost beat his
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 12: ass on the sideline. And by the way, I don't
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 12: think we have any games on ESPN, so no worry there.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 12: Because what I was hoping for, I was going to
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 12: make a promise. That's the cupcake guy.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I was going to make a promise.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: If there was that game, and you and him were
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: on the sideline together, I would request a sideline pass.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: He's on the.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Sideline this weekend, actually. I want you there. You know what?
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this. With love in my heart.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: Can we keep this going for a second? Yeah, let's
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: try it. You're a bitch.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: You really are.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: Because why are you going to the game Sunday?
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: I have not been to the game.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: Your team never comes to town.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: Once every two years.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: I hate that place.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: And you can't get off your ass and go watch
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: your coogs on Sunday?
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I'll get off my ass with a fridge.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: What is wrong with you? Man, I don't like that stadium.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable, man.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: People are mean to me there.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: See ya. For the mild-mannered and marginally objectionable Ian Furness,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: this is Paddle Day saying so long, everyone.