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Anna Nicole Smith’s Best Friends Share Intimate Details · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 4: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 5: Now I would like to introduce a really great interview
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  Speaker 5: I did about a very intimate personal relationship with one
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  Speaker 5: of Hollywood's biggest stars, Anna Nicole Smith. As you know,
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  Speaker 5: her Netflix doc about her life is coming out in
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  Speaker 5: a few days. And I was lucky enough to talk
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  Speaker 5: to two of her very good friends that are also
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  Speaker 5: featured in the documentary.
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  Speaker 4: Patrick and Paul, you're going to meet.
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  Speaker 5: They're funny and they're endearing, but they also give a
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  Speaker 5: lot of intimate details of her life, her legacy, her death,
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  Speaker 5: what she was like. And they have some really strong
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  Speaker 5: opinions about some people in her life. And I want
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  Speaker 5: to say those are the opinions of my guests and
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  Speaker 5: not the opinions of mine or the show. But I
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  Speaker 5: think you'll really find this interesting and juicy. So let's
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  Speaker 5: get on with it.
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  Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 5: I have my friends here, three of my friends, because
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  Speaker 5: they brought their little dog Snow White.
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  Speaker 4: But it is Patrick Simpson and Paul Atu.
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  Speaker 5: You have seen them on their show, Down and Out,
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  Speaker 5: because they dress the Hollywood elite.
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  Speaker 2: Gowning out.
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  Speaker 4: In a good way.
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  Speaker 2: In Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 4: In Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 2: Gowning out in Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 5: Gowning out in Beverly Hills, which is a great title.
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  Speaker 5: But you guys have celebrity clients and you just did
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  Speaker 5: Sheena Shea's dress.
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  Speaker 2: Wedding dress.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful gowns for all occasions.
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  Speaker 3: And the baby, Summer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he made her a gown too.
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  Speaker 3: I made Summer's dress.
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  Speaker 2: The mad Sheena.
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  Speaker 4: Summer is the cutest.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I've hung out with Summer a few times as well.
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  Speaker 2: She's smart, too, that little girl.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. She and Ocean are best friends, and
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  Speaker 4: they are too freaking cute from Vanderpump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, so thank you for coming here, and we were
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  Speaker 5: just talking about all the mutual friends we have.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when Heather calls, you go.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, I'm here.
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  Speaker 5: So you were saying that you've known Josh Flagg. A
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  Speaker 5: million-dollar listing, you said you've known him since he was 14.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, because he went to Beverly Hills High School. So
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  Speaker 3: I've had my shop for almost 30 years in the
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  Speaker 3: Golden Triangle at Rodeo.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: So he used to come by with all these very,
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  Speaker 3: very interesting ideas.
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  Speaker 2: About headbands and wristbands. He wanted to do sweatbands. He
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  Speaker 2: had little armbands. Back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, you were doing stuff like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, just for him.
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  Speaker 2: For him.
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  Speaker 3: No, I was entertaining the kid. I was driving him home.
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  Speaker 3: Grandma used to come over.
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  Speaker 2: And say thank you. You know, very sweet story. Edith.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Grandmother. She came before she died and said goodbye to Paul.
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  Speaker 2: Like she knew she was going to go.
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  Speaker 3: She said, there's only a few people that I really
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  Speaker 3: want to reach out and say thank you for all
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  Speaker 3: the memories and all the treasures that I can take
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  Speaker 3: with me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And I just want to say, I hope this isn't
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  Speaker 3: the last time I'm going to see you, but it
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  Speaker 3: may be. Yeah. And I just wanted to say thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And then she was, that was what, a week or so?
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  Speaker 3: Right after that, she was gone.
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  Speaker 4: And you guys have been a couple for how long?
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  Speaker 2: 19 years. My husband, the bitch, will say 72 hours,
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  Speaker 2: but it's actually 19 years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it keeps it more fresh, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: 72 hours is more exciting.
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  Speaker 4: And you've been married for how long?
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  Speaker 2: We're not married.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you're not married.
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  Speaker 2: We're engaged. We got engaged on E! Television. Okay. On
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  Speaker 2: a show called New Money.
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  Speaker 3: Heather, would you say this is a marriage ring or
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  Speaker 3: an engagement ring? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would say that's a ring. Well, I guess it's
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  Speaker 4: an engagement ring. You're right.
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  Speaker 3: I need something more substantial.
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  Speaker 4: So you got engaged how long ago and on which show?
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  Speaker 2: We got engaged on a television show called New Money.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I shut down. Although ours was old.
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  Speaker 3: It is true.
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  Speaker 2: Old Money, but on New Money. And I shut down
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  Speaker 2: Redale Drive and surprised him, got down on one knee.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, I'm going to tell the story because your story
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  Speaker 3: is very short version.
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  Speaker 4: I need to know what year this was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Five years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Five years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what happened. First, they came
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  Speaker 3: out and they were going to do an entire week's
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  Speaker 3: worth of taping.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Then they said it was going to be a full episode.
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  Speaker 3: Then they changed the storyline so many different ways, right? Yeah. Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 3: So ultimately, he was going to propose to me because
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  Speaker 3: we had a plane.
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  Speaker 2: On a private plane. That was the plan.
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  Speaker 3: I was getting off a plane and it was going
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  Speaker 3: to be in Hawaii. Yeah. So everything moved up.
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  Speaker 4: But it wasn't like a surprise. You're planning it together.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. We were planning it. He was planning it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he was planning that he told me after. Oh, please.
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  Speaker 2: She knows you. She knows you control everything.
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  Speaker 4: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. No, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you think you're doing on the show?
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  Speaker 4: Just acting like you had new money?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: We were just, we didn't even know what it was called.
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  Speaker 3: So we were just having fun. Okay. But that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to happen until, not for the show. It was
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  Speaker 3: just going to happen in our life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So then they said, oh, well, what if we did this?
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  Speaker 3: What if we did that? He goes, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you know anything about Paul, this is what I
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  Speaker 3: was going to do for him. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I told him I was going to do the
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  Speaker 2: private plane, go to Hawaii, do a proposal. And so
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  Speaker 2: they said, why don't we do a private plane and
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  Speaker 2: we can do the proposal at the Burbank airport, the millionaire,
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  Speaker 2: the private airport.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I forget the name of the airport.
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  Speaker 4: The Van Nuys.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And so they couldn't get a permit in time
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  Speaker 2: to film.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So then they said, OK, they came back to me,
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  Speaker 2: the producers for me, and they said, OK, we can't
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  Speaker 2: get a permit in time to film. And they said, well,
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  Speaker 2: what else can we do? I said, well, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to propose to him. So if you're going to capture it.
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  Speaker 3: There's an important part there. Oh, they said, well, what
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  Speaker 3: if we just do it inside the hangar with the
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  Speaker 3: plane already that you guys already have commissioned?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, Paul would never allow that. Are you
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  Speaker 2: kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: So wait, what do you mean? Like kind of just
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  Speaker 4: steal the view?
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  Speaker 2: Fake it. I'm like, are you kidding?
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  Speaker 3: No, that's not going to happen. No, no, no. No.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be real.
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  Speaker 2: And they said, okay, what if we get a permit,
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  Speaker 2: get a permit from Beverly Hills and shut down Rodeo
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  Speaker 2: Drive in a certain section.
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  Speaker 3: In front of Cartier.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's not what happened.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I want it in front of the Beverly
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  Speaker 3: Hills hotel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Just like any woman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did say that.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you forget everything?
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  Speaker 2: Not Beverly Hills Hotel.
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  Speaker 4: The Beverly Wilshire.
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  Speaker 2: The Beverly Wilshire. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Not Beverly Wilshire.
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  Speaker 2: On the other side of Rodeo Drive. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Which is right behind my store.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he goes, oh, but we can't do that. And
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  Speaker 3: he goes, well, then you're not going to get a proposal. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because unless you shut down Rodeo Drive for Paul, what.
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  Speaker 2: Else is there to do? Right.
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  Speaker 3: And they go, okay, give us the 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: They come back to me and say, okay, we've got...
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  Speaker 2: a small section of Rodeo Drive near Cartier, that block,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to shut it down for approximately one
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  Speaker 2: hour for filming. Can we do it? I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it. Next thing I know, I'm off to
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  Speaker 2: Sierra Jewelers, same jeweler that did Kim Kardashian's ring, did
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Taylor's ring, and I'm picking that rock out for him.
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  Speaker 4: How many carats is that?
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  Speaker 3: 22 total.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: It's beautiful, Heather.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But then the bad thing is, after we did this
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  Speaker 2: on TV and showed it.
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  Speaker 3: Can I just give her a full picture?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, give her a full picture.
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  Speaker 3: So here's Patrick and I in Snow White. We're walking
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  Speaker 3: up and down Rodeo Drive. There's nothing happening on Rodeo.
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  Speaker 3: Because my store is right there at Dayton at Rodeo.
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  Speaker 3: So we're walking up and down, and I'm like, What
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  Speaker 3: happened to everybody? Why isn't there anybody here? Because I
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  Speaker 3: had no idea about the proposal.
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  Speaker 2: And they want us window shopping. And he's walking with me.
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  Speaker 2: We're walking.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, what the hell?
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  Speaker 2: We don't window shop. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, can we just go in and shop?
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  Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: You have to just walk up and down the street.
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  Speaker 4: So now it's because the cameras were not following you.
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  Speaker 2: They were following us. The producers were telling us you
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  Speaker 2: have to pretend like you're shopping. But I'm like, but
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  Speaker 2: this is stupid.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, we'll have a conversation.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, about what?
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  Speaker 2: How bullshit this is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea that there was about 50 of
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  Speaker 3: our very close friends that they had text messaged at
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  Speaker 3: 11 a.m. to come to be at Cartier at 12. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm supposed to be arriving at 1.
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  Speaker 2: Like everything is planned by production.
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  Speaker 3: So by second to second. So when he got down
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  Speaker 3: on one knee right in front of our, that's our
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  Speaker 3: palm tree now. We have a little tag on it.
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  Speaker 3: I swear to God.
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  Speaker 2: It is. So.
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  Speaker 3: In front of, on one knee, and I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 3: are you okay? What happened? I had no.
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  Speaker 2: Idea this was a total surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you thought you were having a health issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: Because we've been walking up and down for like a
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  Speaker 3: freaking hour now. I'm like, what are we trying to capture?
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  Speaker 2: So I start professing my love to him. Telling him
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  Speaker 2: this rollercoaster life we've been on. Blah, blah, blah. And
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  Speaker 2: then I do the big question. Will you marry me?
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  Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful. He loved it. And then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm going to put the ring on his finger.
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  Speaker 2: Production comes running in.
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  Speaker 3: Cut, cut.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone go back. After everyone had run out with... both
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  Speaker 2: balloons and champagne and everything.
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  Speaker 3: There was so much going on.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody back on the other side of the building and Patrick,
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  Speaker 2: you need to take the ring out. We need to
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  Speaker 2: do that again because we've got to get a close up.
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  Speaker 3: Now, at the same time, there's TMZ buses. There's all
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  Speaker 3: the Hollywood buses. Because they don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: They're screaming out the window on the other side.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fun for TMZ.
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  Speaker 3: They've stopped everybody.
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  Speaker 5: But what a fun day for TMZ to actually see, like,
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  Speaker 5: a filming and a proposal in one thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right. In front of Cartier, of all places, right?
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  Speaker 3: At the corner.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm telling the producer, I'm like, well, what if
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly what I said? They go, just
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  Speaker 2: do the best you can. So I had to go
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  Speaker 2: back on one knee, pretend like we're walking again, then
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  Speaker 2: got down on one knee. Did the whole proposal thing again.
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  Speaker 2: He loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I needed to hear it again. I don't think I
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  Speaker 3: heard it the first time. Although when he did give
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  Speaker 3: me the ring, my first thing, when he opened up
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  Speaker 3: that box and I saw the ring, the first thing
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  Speaker 3: I whispered to him, and of course we're mic'd so
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  Speaker 3: everybody can hear what I'm saying, but I can't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that they can hear me, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I go, what the fuck? Did you sell a house?
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't want.
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  Speaker 5: The ring if you sold a house.
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  Speaker 2: Do we still own our houses? I'm like, I want that. Like, what?
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  Speaker 3: I was shocked. I was completely shocked. It was a
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  Speaker 3: moment for sure.
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  Speaker 4: And I do actually have a real serious question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: When a couple has been together that long and you
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  Speaker 5: do own properties and businesses together.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. How do you.
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  Speaker 3: What's mine is mine. What's his is mine.
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  Speaker 4: Right. How do you make such a big purchase?
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  Speaker 2: Without me knowing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Because I'm just like, you know, I've been married
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  Speaker 4: for 23 years. So it's like.
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  Speaker 3: You can't even sneeze without him knowing.
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  Speaker 2: Like if.
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  Speaker 4: This won't happen.
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  Speaker 5: But if my husband wanted to upgrade my ring and
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  Speaker 5: spend whatever, $ 80, 000, I would be thrilled.
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  Speaker 4: He knows that. But still, if I did that for
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  Speaker 4: him with like, whatever, a watch or a car.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: No, I would have had to just like discuss it
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  Speaker 4: and make sure. You know what? I do want to upgrade.
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  Speaker 4: Surprise me, but I want to upgrade because it's our
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  Speaker 4: money together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like some things are... Listen, if my husband... Well,
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  Speaker 3: I call him my husband. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because.
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  Speaker 3: We were together before the law passed.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We were calling each other husbands since he proposed to
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  Speaker 3: me the first time. This is the second proposal. So
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't legal anyway. But I feel like if you
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  Speaker 3: really care about that person, you love that person, and
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  Speaker 3: you know what your boundaries are.
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  Speaker 4: But did you want a ring that big and that fabulous?
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  Speaker 4: So he knows enough about you that you loved and
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  Speaker 4: wanted something different.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, it didn't even have to be a ring.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been anything.
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  Speaker 3: Because I've always told him I could live in a
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  Speaker 3: shack with you. on an island if that's where we
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  Speaker 3: need to be as long as I had you. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: he would say, fuck no, because.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not living in a goddamn shack. I would say,
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: fuck no, because I'm not going to live in a
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: shack and be poor and not wear design. I don't
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: know how.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: No, but I think if you know the relationship, there
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: are certain things that, like my first instinct was, did
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: you sell, because I didn't want the ring if he
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: had sold the house.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Did I want the ring if he mortgaged the house?
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But you know what?
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: He made it happen. And I think it came from
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: the heart. Yeah. I think no amount of money could
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: replace any money.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: For this ring. Because it's because something that it was
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: sentimental that he gave to me that only me and
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: him can share.
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: So this reality show that you're on, the new money.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: Was this just like a one-off or were you hoping
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: that it would continue on and you'd be part of
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: that show as well?
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: So originally it started, originally they approached us, Doron Ophir,
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: you know who that is, the casting person, approached us
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: and said, we've got this new series we're going to
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: do and they want to follow six couples and a
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: gay couple in Los Angeles and you're one of the couples.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: So originally it was going to be a whole docu-series.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like real housewives.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: About the fabulous life of certain couples.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: But very different.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: But would the couples hang out together or no? Yes.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: They were going to show them. They said mostly our
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: lives separately. But then you have like a party. Yeah, basically.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: We were supposed to see who lives the most luxurious
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: and lavish and extravagant life. Right. Right.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: And then and then they they came to us and said, OK,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: after we filmed everything, did everything, they've changed the story.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: Now it's not going to be following you guys. And
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: we're not going to do like a whole month shoot.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to do a week shoot. Then they
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: changed it again. So we're only going to do like
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: a two week shoot down to a one week shoot.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: So we're thinking they're telling us we're going to get
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: our own episode. So, okay, at least we have a one-off,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: one whole episode.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: So it would be six episodes or eight episode arc.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: And one couple would be each episode. So we're fine.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: We agreed to it. Signed on the dotted line. Did everything.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Did the filming for a week. Everything was great. We're
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: thinking we're getting a whole episode. Yeah, we're done. They
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: followed our life for a week. It was cool. We
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: did all kinds of different things. And then after an editing,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: they come back to us and say, okay, we're not
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: going to do this as a one-hour episode. Episode one off.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: It's been changed to 30 minutes.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Competition show.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: And then it's a competition show.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how are we going to compete?
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: What are you competing for? Exactly.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: And we now have three couples on one show. I'm like, what?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: They have three stories. So I'm like, we went from
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: an out.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: So what's the competition?
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So the competition was who spent the most money in
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the episode... And we didn't even know that we were
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: the wealthiest. Who was the richest in the episode? And
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: we were the richest.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, who were you against? Anyone I know?
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Some Turkish girl in New Jersey who.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Nope, that was.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: That's Jennifer, right? Jennifer Aiden?
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Yes!
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, do you know her?
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Well, who don't you know?
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Is that Jennifer?
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, because I've interviewed her. She's real housewives of New Jersey.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: She's not.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: And everything that I've followed, they.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: Said, you know, one thing that, you know, really Housewives
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: fans love is how many people have done something. They've
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: either been on Say Yes to the Dress or they've
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: been on a dating show or they've been on Cribs.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Or they've been on something.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: And people have brought up that she was on the
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: show that, you know, was a one and done show.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: It was one season.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: That's it. And it's got to be it. And who else?
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Who was the other couple?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And the other one was Kubica who passed away. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: think he committed suicide a couple of years back.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: The industry wasn't kind to him. They were very rude.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: To him on the show.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: What did he do?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a singer and a dancer. And they
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: made fun of him on the show. It was bad.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: No, they did not make fun of him. They just
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: showcased the reality of what it was.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: They showed a concert where he came down from the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: sky to an empty room.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, to show.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what they love. It was bad.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But it is true.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: They kind of love to show. They'll zoom in that
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: it's empty. They'll zoom in that no one's looking.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Because in his storyline, he came on saying, I am
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a dancer, dancer, singer, singer, actor, actor. And he said
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: he was 17 years old and he was 30 something.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Are you lying about his age?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: You know, when you live in an alternate reality and
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you start believing it yourself, you have critics out there
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: that don't live in that same alternate reality that you do.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: So it may come across as lying or coming across
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: as delusional.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: It's fake. I mean, Jennifer Aiden went into a store
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: on the show, say, if that was her. Oh, I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: want this. I want this. Put this in my cart. This, this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And we were watching and he goes, who is this
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: fake bitch that has no money? That's what we said.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We really did.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: She went to a strip mall store. So if she
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: had actually gone to a legitimate boutique, I could say,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: because the ring came about because we have relationships. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: when the transaction happens... Relationship with jewelers.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: So when he's telling, you know, Sato, the Sierra, who
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: makes things for Cartier, for Van Cleef, and, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: all these other people, right? So when he's telling him, oh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: you know... I'm getting this. And if you watch the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: clip about where, when he was shopping, he goes, so
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: what do you want? He goes, I don't know. It's Paul.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: You know, Paul, I don't know.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: And he goes, how about this? And he goes, no,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I think it has to be a little bigger. Like
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you should have seen the sweat coming down this man's face.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: And then the next one he shows, he's like, um,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it needs to be bigger
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: than this. And a very dear friend of mine, Eileen
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: was actually with him.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: When we were ring shopping.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So he took somebody that really knows me even before
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: him that would appreciate and understand what I would like.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I was going to like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: people who have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: filed against me.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: you had.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: To succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: have a work dad. I need a home dad. What
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: So, do you think you'll... Are you waiting for a
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: big ceremony? It doesn't really matter. Do you think you'll
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: make it official?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, so the next thing is.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: To actually get married?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: We got pitched another show.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: To get married?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. And Lance Bass, bitch, stole my wedding because we
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: signed to do the show with E!
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Television.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You know the wedding.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I went to it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was our wedding!
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That was our show!
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Heather! I was supposed to be getting.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Married that day!
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, wait, because you were.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Except ours was going to be a lot more fabulous
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: instead of all those.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: So do you feel like you kind of gave them
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: the idea? Because when we went to it, I was
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: really like, this is amazing. This is the first gay
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: wedding that's been filmed like a celebrity wedding.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And I.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I loved that they did the mother-son dance for both
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: of them and then switched sons.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: And I was like.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Well, it was a natural progression from what we did. Right.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: For them then to do the next one. So after
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we did the new money, the next thing we were
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: pitched was this wedding show. Was that one.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Well. Let me tell you how far.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: You didn't even take us as your date.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: What?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I took my husband as my date.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, bitch.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So we were, we signed on the, we went back
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and forth with the contract, put everything together for the wedding,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the wedding special. There's what they said they were going
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Then the producers that we signed the contracts that we
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: sent them into the producers. Two months go by. We
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: don't hear anything. Hear nothing. Nothing. Then we hear that
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Lance Bass and Michael are engaged. Next thing we still
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I'm messaging our attorneys sending the letter to E. What's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: going on with them? They signed the contract.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: The whole scheduling thing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: My attorney sent them a thing to E. The producer saying,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: can we get a executed contract? And the producers sign
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it and send it back. Email finally comes. I'm sorry,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: but we have decided to take the show in a
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: different direction. One of the producers calls me.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Where are all these directions? Where are these directional signs?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What fucking direction? One of these producers.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: North, south, east, west.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: They all point to me.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly. One of these producers calls me afterwards, a week after.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: She's like, I feel so bad, you guys. We love you.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They loved you. Everything is so great. But Lance Bass
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and Michael Turchin got engaged. And they wanted to do
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a series. And their series didn't get picked up. So
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they're giving them their wedding show. Don't we see this?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: But that's what happened. And when I saw Lance in
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: our boutique, I'm like, bitch stole my wedding.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows. We told him.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: He knows. I just had dinner with him.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: And, you know, it is just your story is such
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: a common story because when we had dinner, he was
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: telling stories, not of that, but of similar things where
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: he pitched movies and had writers and this and that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And it was being.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And he's a sweet guy.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Michael's such a nice guy. And they're great.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: They've been to our Christmas party.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: They've been to so many.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: They have their babies. No, obviously it's not their fault.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And it's like.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Of course it is.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: No.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: What do you mean not their fault?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's not their fault.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: It's not their fault.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: But the executives being like, this has fallen into our
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: laps and whatever.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: We're going to go with it in a different direction. Well,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: of course.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You had a huge following. I understand that. It sucks.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Which is fine because I love them both. And I
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: love the fact that they have such a beautiful relationship.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And they're enjoying it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: So.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Because marriage, the ceremony or the event itself is a
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: party for me.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Because my commitment to him cannot be identified by a
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: piece of paper regardless. Or this ring, although I love
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: this ring. You know, whatever.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: So you do a lot of custom wedding gowns. As
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I've said, you did Sheena Shea's wedding gown.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Um, Egypt, Chris from growing up hip hop. He did
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: her wedding gown. She was eight and a half months pregnant.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Okay. We just saw that on your, she had the
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: purple and white dress.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Cause she was pregnant. Nobody knew she was pregnant and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: all the different things that we did. We started with
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: white and she goes, you know what?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Fuck it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it all backwards anyway. I go, what would
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you really want? She goes, this is what I want.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: These are my colors. These are my, this is my theme.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I go, okay. And it was in Vegas, so it
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: really needed to be more Vegas-y.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: And was that featured on her show or your show
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: or both?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: We were on her show. We were on two episodes
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of Growing Up Hip Hop and two episodes of Vanderpump Rules.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay, great.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Well, it was supposed to be more, but then, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: everybody has to fight behind closed doors. I'm like, what
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: is wrong with you people?
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: And you had mentioned, and you've said this on a
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: few different shows, but that you saw Raquel- and Tom
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Sandoval at the wedding.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: And when you said it, you just said Tom, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: you didn't realize that that's not the Tom she was
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: allowed to be with.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Correct. Okay.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And then we talked about it, and I knew it was.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Well, both Toms are Tom.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: To me, they're always... We always see them together. They're
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: nice guys.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: They're like... In your brain, they're sort of interchangeable. Yes.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Like all Toms look alike.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's almost like when they see us together. It's
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: like when they see one of us.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: They're like, they're confused. Which one was that?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm like... It's a blonde. You know what I mean?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: He's brunette. Yeah. And we talked about it and it
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: was during the, you know, like, we're just going to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: put this, you know, this is bullshit. And then we thought, okay,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the producers are just setting up more bullshit.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Well, because we were at the white party and that's
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: why we were moved.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Because they put Tom Schwartz and Raquel to kiss at
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the white party.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: So you were at a table enjoying the white party
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: and they're like, can you move from this table because
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: we're going to film the.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Two of them talking.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my toes are getting nice and toasty wet in
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the swimming pool. Like, what is that?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, we had the best table at the white party
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and those evil producers came and asked us to move
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to the back.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I have to tell you, she put on a beautiful wedding. Oh, well,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed watching it and it looked great.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Beautiful wedding.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: But what... Okay, so... Tell my listeners because I may
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: have told a few times.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: They're called juicy scoopers, right?
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: So tell them what did you witness? So you're coming
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: off an elevator.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I'm on the elevator.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: At what time of night?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: No, it was daytime. It was evening time.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: The day of the wedding?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Day of the wedding.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Okay. And where in the elevator? Near the pool or
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: near the hotel rooms?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: No, near the bridal suite. So off to the bridal suite,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: there's like these caves and like rock walls. And then
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to the left, I look when I get off the
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: elevator to get something for him. And I see him kissing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So then I'm like, okay, my mind is just playing
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: tricks on me. I don't understand any of this.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Wait, is she in her bridesmaid's dress yet?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think she is. No, because she wasn't. No,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: she wasn't. She was so late.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because she wasn't downstairs. She was in a robe.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I think she was on her way to come down.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Because, okay, the wedding was at 5. We were downstairs.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: No, the wedding was delayed until 6.30. Well, that's a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: whole different story. It was supposed to be at 5.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not that big of a deal. The bridal
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: party was downstairs. Him and I were downstairs. I was
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: getting Sheena ready. So when we were downstairs, the bridesmaids
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: were in one area, the bride was in another, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the boys were in a different area, but all together
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: within the same area.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Like all in the same building.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So when I told them to go upstairs- They weren't
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: downstairs yet. He wasn't in the boys' room and she
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't with the girls.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And they've been gone for a long time, which we
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: didn't know until now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: So that's when he went upstairs and then on the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: way down is what he witnessed.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And then we were talking about it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: So do you think you witnessed a kiss after a boat?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Like they had.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They had sex before. And this was like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the goodbye kiss. And then they're going to go separately
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: into the bridal suite area and pretend like they hadn't
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: been to. Absolutely.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Because then he was drunk. He walks in drunk. What
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: are you, NCIS?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't tell Sophia Lyles about her.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: She came in, Raquel, and then they were taking the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: pictures with the girls and all that. And then he
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: came in afterwards with a fan and he was fanning.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were having a great time after when they
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: came into the room. But then Raquel was pulled to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the back again on her own, texting.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: She was on her phone the whole time. The whole time.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: And I told, we talked about it too. I go,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: should we talk to Sheena about this? She goes, it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: her wedding. We're not going to bring this up at
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: her wedding.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't talk to Sheena about it before when she
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: was at my boutique.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Raquel came a couple of times to the fitting.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, because you did all the bridesmaids as well.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: No, not the bridesmaids.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: The bride.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, she came as just a friend to watch the fitting.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Because she was one of the bridesmaids, but the closest
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: friend to Sheena. So she's like almost like a maid
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of honor.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Sort of a thing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: You know, they're doing things. She's hosting things with her
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and what have you. So she knows all the insides
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: about all the stuff that was going on.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: But she wasn't engaged. She didn't really care. Right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Raquel didn't really seem to care.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: No, she just sat on her chair.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: She was on her phone the whole time.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't really interested in any of this. that
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: was going on.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So it was, I don't know. It didn't seem.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I think it was just all, I think her goal
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: from the start was to be on the show.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was fame. I think she was after fame.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It was fame to be on the show.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Once she got on the show, she was going to
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: stay on the show. So she falls in love with James.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: She goes after James, falls in love with James.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Breaks up with James, or maybe she was never in
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: love with him.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Once that ended, she knew, I've got to, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: and then she goes after four different guys on the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: But I said, never did she go out when they
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: weren't shooting and look for a guy or go on
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Raya or anything. No, it had to be a cast member.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: And she's hanging out with.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: All the friends. We were saying that whenever we would
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: see James, because James would come to our parties, our boutique.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: We would see him at different events. And Raquel was there.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And Paul never liked Raquel. And we would always say,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I think this girl is using him. Because James is
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: so sweet. We really always loved James.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: And he's hilarious.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He's such a nice guy. Like you said, so funny.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: He's genuine.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And Paul was always... Why is this girl with him?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well, during COVID, when we used to go get our
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: hair done, our hairdresser lives two floors above change.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Used to before moving down.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: So when they were engaged the whole time, we used
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to see them there all the time downstairs. And I'm like....
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And you said so many times that she has an agenda.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: She has an agenda.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: She has a plan.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: She has an agenda. And I believe it. I believe
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: it now. I really do. I don't even think she really.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: You know, some people don't believe me when I say things,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: but I'm one of those people... that sees things through people.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And I've got nothing to hide. I'm like, okay, well,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: there it is.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Some people have like this innate, my brother-in-law, Michael, kind
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: of has like innate judge of character. And there'd be
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: times when we had like friends that would end up
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: getting divorced or whatever.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: And my sister would be like.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: You know, even though we did all these social things,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: you went on a vacation with this couple, Michael, her husband,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: who's the most standup guy ever, greatest husband, just wonderful.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: She's like, you know, Michael never liked it. And I go, really?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: And she goes, yeah, he just rolled with it, but
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: he never liked him. And he'd be like, I just
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: don't like that guy. I just don't. And I think
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: certain people have a gift like that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: I feel like with Lala, like that gift became more
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: attuned after what she's been through. But some people just
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: kind of have a character where they're just like, they
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: just have a good judge of character of other people.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: And something tells you that you're like, hmm.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I think if a lot of people listen to their intuition...
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: their inner self, but you have to know how to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: be able to understand it and hear it. I've done
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: some training on it myself before I was with him
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: where I wanted to understand myself. I really wanted to
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: find me before I could find somebody else that could
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: compliment me. And I think that's when I was able
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: to really realize and connect with that part of me.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I think all of us possess it, but it's just
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: a way to be able to understand, listen to it,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and reason with it. Because there's so many things that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: have happened. And I told Sheena as well. I said, Sheena,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to tell you all of this because
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I knew where you were. And I knew all the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: things that you were doing. And I wanted to celebrate.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And also she thought this was her friend.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: And so let her have a beautiful day. It's not
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: going to matter. You didn't have anything concrete. So why
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: say something?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: But I don't think she was ready to even hear
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it or listen to it because she was planning this extravaganza.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And her focus wasn't who likes me or who doesn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: like me or who's there for me. Who's because her
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: focus was Brock.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: The baby, their life together.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: She even told me when we were hanging out and
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: her mom too said, you know, she didn't, she really
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: did the wedding like for Brock. Brock really wanted the
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: wedding and she, she had already done it. And she
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: kind of feel, it felt like, come on, this is
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: like my second wedding. I think she had a really
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: fabulous time at the time, but like, If Brock had
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: been like, let's just do something small in the backyard
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: or whatever, she would.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Have been like, no problem.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Of course she would have been okay.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Well, because it was about the union. It wasn't about
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the celebration. You always say when all my clients come in,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, the marriage is for you two. Because there's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: so many bridezillas. The marriage is for you two. The
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: wedding is for the rest of the family and everybody
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: else that's going to be joining in the celebration.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: I have another wedding question. When did it become.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: a normal thing to be a bride and have, like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: three different bridal changes.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Because that certainly didn't happen when I got married in 2000.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I love it. I think it was great, actually.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You still have time, Heather.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: We can celebrate another one.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: It's going to be 24 years.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: It's going to be 23 years, May 27th.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we could do it May 23, May.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, so 23, just finished.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. It's coming May 27th. Oh, May?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: 23 is....
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Will be 23 years. Wow.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Isn't that beautiful to know that you're with.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I always don't know how many years I got married
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: because it was 2000. This is very easy to keep track.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: But it's beautiful to know.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: That you're with somebody that you know you have all
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: this to share with. You have beautiful children. You have
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: a great relationship. You guys are healthy. And what else
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: do you really want or need? Nothing, right?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Well, if he wants to do a vow renewal show,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Because I probably not. Will you do it? Sure, I'm not.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Going to do it unless it's filmed.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: We already said our 20th year, which is in July,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: July 21, that we are going to get married. But
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: we're doing it on the show, obviously. We're not going
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to do it not on the show. And I know
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Sheena changed three times. Fuck it, I'm changing five times
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: at my wedding. I don't care. Why shouldn't you change?
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I don't want to change that many times because I
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: don't want to miss the fun.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I would change.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I would do two. I would do one thing for
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: that and like the dinner.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Sheena did not want to ruin.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: And then one short something to dance.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. Sheena changed for the cave specifically
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: at the end.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to change.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Because she didn't want to ruin the dress. There's no
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: way you could have been in the cave.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: But also I feel the dress is so gorgeous that
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: people change out of it too quickly.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, don't you want to spend at least.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like scoot away for the dancing.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I want to do a change for the cocktail party
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: before the pre cocktail before the wedding change Getting drunk
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: before then do a change for the wedding, you know
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: doing the whole wedding aisle thing and Then change for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the after cocktail party. Then change for the dinner. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: have a question. Then change for the after after party.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: What did you think of Teresa from Real Housewives of
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: New Jersey's hair?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: At her wedding. You must have seen it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I thought the dress, everything was hideous. It was 1975.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I did not like it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: 1980 gone bad.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm saying 75 because if you were
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: doing it in the 80s, it would at least be appropriate. Okay,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: that's true. 1975 and they missed the mark. And I
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: know she wanted to do something that really reminiscent of
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: her being like the first time marriage, first time wedding.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: This is what she, it should have looked like. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: when you're a mature woman and you've got children, relationship,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: been to jail, out of jail, you know, you've written books,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: some sold, some didn't sell. You've got so much going
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: on in your life. You have to really embody that
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: moment and come to the person that you want to
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: see at the end of you know, that aisle.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: But there, here's the thing though. Now you said, yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: but again, it's your day. And if you want to have,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: you know, a dress that like, I mean, I remember
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: my mom when she was getting married, I was like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: did her wedding photos.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, can't believe it. She had a beautiful dress,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: but I was like, why are you wearing? It was
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: off the shoulder and, and like a sheath. It was 1960.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, why are you wearing a short dress?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: And she said, well, I was 24 and I felt like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: a long dress was for a teen bride.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: That's the way she felt in 1960. That she was
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: already kind of old to be wearing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, but what I didn't understand
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: is I thought Teresa had better taste.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I really did.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: So I met them and Louis goes right away, you're
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: a comedian, come on, what did you think of her hair.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: At the wedding?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Did you like it?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I said, I kind of did a similar thing for
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: my wedding. Not as big. But you did it for
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: your wedding then. 23 years ago.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: 23 years ago.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I did a little, like, you know, the little, what
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: do you call it, tiara. Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And I always liked, like, I always did, like, a
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: back bump it at the time.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Cute.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: So I had them do, like, almost like.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: A little chignon at the top.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: And it was all my own hair, but it was, like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: kind of, like.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Twist?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was, like, twisted and stuff. So I had
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: a mini version of that. So what I said to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: her is, like, what I think happened is, I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: you said, I want some height and a crown. Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: And that was probably the only instruction you gave. And
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: by the time it was... it was time to go out,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: because I know she even started a little bit late.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Being that it was a big wedding there.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: There were no mirrors around? No, but I think at
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: that time, you can't change it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Her phone has a mirror. Hello, look at yourself.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: But anyway, I said, I think that you couldn't change it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: It was probably heavy, and she's like, she's like, totally.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But did you like her dress?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I thought the dress looked pretty. It was strapless, right?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It was extrapless and full. Yeah, but I just felt
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: she could do better. She's worn better dresses to the reunion.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: I did think her girls....
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: And their dresses were stunning and their bodies. And like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I just thought all of her daughters looked amazing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. Like a rose and it
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: was like fitted. It was a little different.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: But anyway, let's get let's get to, let's get to,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: let's move on. Anna Nicole Smith was your very, very
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: good friend.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: May 16th, her show on Netflix drops a documentary about
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Anna Nicole Smith really quickly for people that might be
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: listening to them. Like remind me, she was, had an
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: absolutely perfect face, stunning face. And she, captured everybody when
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: she was really the guest model.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: And she was more voluptuous than what we had seen
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: at that time. Big boobs, a little curvy.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: But Playboy, too. Everyone knew her from Playboy.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Was she in Playboy before? She was in Playboy before guest.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Before guest, yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, before guest.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: And she was on Playboy cover of the magazine. She
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: almost has the record more than any of the other playmates.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Pam Anderson. Yeah, I think she's second to Pam, I believe.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: And then she really captured everybody's hearts and interests when
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: in the early days of reality TV, she had her
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: reality show called Anna Nicole.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: It had this iconic opening. Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna Nicole.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: You're so outrageous. And it was drawing. It was like
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: a little cartoon.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: And it was kind of her life after the modeling.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: So through the six seasons or whatever that was, we
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: see her, you know... With her lawyer, Howard, and her son, Daniel.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Drama to reality TV before the Kardashians, before the housewives,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: before anybody.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: And she's Southern, so she had like real funniness about her.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: And she was kind of goofy and she definitely enjoyed
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: cocktails and pills.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: And so sometimes she'd be a little more loopy than others. Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: But it was like comedy. I mean, everybody loved it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Parody.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I think Mad TV did a parody of it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Like, so.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know who I just saw at.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: A party was the interior designer guy that was on
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: that show.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Bobby Trendy.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Yes, I saw Bobby Trendy and he's a realtor now.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. He was telling me that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Robert Trendy.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: So tell us how you guys met her because you're
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: a big part of this.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: You wrote a book. You have a screenplay for a
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: scripted movie coming out. But you are also featured in
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: this doc.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We are.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: So tell us what you can... tell us to make
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: us even enjoy this documentary more?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think that Ursula McFarlane, when
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: we found out that Ursula McFarlane was the director producer
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: behind this and Ursula McFarlane was famous for the Harvey
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Weinstein documentary for your listeners, juicy scoopers that don't know that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And we, I knew what type of cinematic, cinematic, just
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: masterpiece she puts together. And I knew that if anyone
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: could really delve deep into the crevices of, Anna Nicole's life,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: it was Ursula McFarlane. So we met with her a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: few times on Zoom several times. Then we sat down
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: with her in San Diego for brunch. And then we
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: just really, and then had several meetings and fleshed everything out.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And I really felt she could really tell the untold
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: story of Anna Nicole that nobody really knows. The movie
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: is called Anna Nicole Smith, You Don't Know Me. And
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: as her best friends, Paul and I, it was great
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that we were able to tell some things that people
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: don't really know about Anna.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, what did you think of when she
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: got pregnant? Did you know that it was, what was
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the guy's name?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Larry Burkhead.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Did you know it was Larry Burkhead, the photographer that
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: she briefly dated?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Did you know that he was the father?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Well, Anna used to call Larry, Larry Burkbuck.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: She could not stand him at all. And anybody that
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: personally knew Anna, like Paul and I, can tell you
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that the last person Anna would ever want to have
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: raise her child was Larry Burkhead.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Now, did she talk about him like that while they
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: were sometimes screwy?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Or only after did she.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Call him Birkfuck?
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Always.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Through the whole time, she hated him.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Even when she was fucking him, she called him Birkfuck.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: She wasn't fucking him.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Well, how'd she get pregnant with him?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Well, you gotta see our movie now, don't you?
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So, when I first met Anna, I was so taken
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: back by her beauty and genuine sincerity. I think when
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: we connected on a different level as humans, not as
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: a designer and a star or a television personality or
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: anything like that, I think we were able to have
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: so many intimate, beautiful moments with each other that a
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: lot of people don't normally even have with their spouse.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: And knowing all of that, and I would see people
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: come in and out of her life and I was
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: always a constant and he did a whole you know
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: thing where they would start highlighting me all the places
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I am where like oh he was.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: There too oh he was there too oh.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: He was there too oh we missed him there too
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: yeah so I was there the whole time but it
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: was about her and I feel like when she told
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: us that she was pregnant she wanted to she knew
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I wanted to have a baby and she wanted to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: give me a baby But then she goes, but you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: not blonde.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, she had very specific, you know. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know what? I don't know if
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I want to have a baby with my friend because
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I don't come from that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: So you thought about having a baby together.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: But then I don't come from that arena. I want
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to be married. I want to be with my loved one.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. As unconventional as my relationship was always going to be.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: And then when Patrick was in our life, obviously.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I have to say thank you,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Anna Nicole, because you approved of me. Because if she
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: never lied to me, I wouldn't be sitting in this
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: chair today.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Well, because I had to introduce him to all my
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: friends before.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Well, then you're blonde and blue-eyed. Did she want to
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: have your baby?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: She asked me to put my name on the birth
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: certificate of Danny Lynn in the Bahamas. And I thought
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I was putting my name on the birth certificate. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: then Howard Stern went on to Larry King Live. and said,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I'm the father, my name's on the birth certificate, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I was blown away, did not know that. Because the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: plan was, with Anna, that I was going to put
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: my name on it. And we always knew... Because she said,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: you're blonde, you're blue-eyed, no one will know.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: See, we always knew that Larry was the sperm donor.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Correct. That's what Anna used to call him, Larry Birkbach,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the sperm donor.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: But we never.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: But she did not want him.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: To co-parent with him.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: To raise the child.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: It was.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Danny Lynn... is Anna Nicole's baby, not anybody else's. So
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: it's not one of those relationships where you have two
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: parents dating couples, an accident, one wanted to have a baby,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: the other one didn't, one got locked up, the other
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: one's raising it. No, this was always intended for Anna Nicole.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: She wanted to have a little baby. She loved Daniel
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: so much, she could not... And she wanted to, you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: expand her family.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And she did such an amazing job with Daniel. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: was always, I mean, I used to always tell her,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, he's going to end up being a rocket scientist.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? How are you managing this?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He was featured on the show. Were you guys
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: featured on the show?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: We were. Yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Well, we were, we were with her the whole time.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I was with her the whole, I can't really, I
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: don't remember.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: The episode when the, they went to the boutique in
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. They got all the couture gowns and they went,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: they were mud wrestling in the gowns. Those were Paul's gowns.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: They filmed at the boutique. That was in the very
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: first season.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I just kind of remember just
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: seeing the house and like, yeah. And that Bobby Trenny
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: with the, Like the canopy beds that were just, you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: not my taste.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Tacky.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then, of course, we got, okay, so then
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: what also happened, the biggest part, is that she married,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: what is the rich guy's name?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Jay Howard Marshall.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Jay Howard Marshall.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: She married Jay Howard Marshall, who she met originally many
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: years ago when she was a stripper. And they get
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: married and he's, you know, very frail, very, very old.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: How, was he like already 90 when she married him?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: 89.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: 89. 89. And so she's married. That's it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: She's so in love.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to tell you, Anna sat with me
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: on the bed in the Bahamas. And she said to me,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Howard is the only one I ever loved. And we
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: had the conversation about it. And I said, Anna, but
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: everyone always says that he was old in his 80s.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And she said, he's the only one that truly unconditionally
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: loved me and understood me.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that there can be that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Like, I think that out of the men in her life, yes,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: clearly that is the person that she knew loved her.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Right. She loved him. Was it sexual, you know, or
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: a certain kind of sexual because of his health? I
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: think when you're saying— Maybe it wasn't at all.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: But still, it doesn't mean that there wasn't, like, a
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: love there and an unconventional marriage, but a marriage.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, I had phone sex with
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Anna Nicole, so I'm sure it was sexual somehow. I think.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: If not physical, there was definitely that there. I think
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: what you're misinterpreting.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And why were you having phone sex with her?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Just for fun?
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: No, because she called me and she called him. She
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: was talking to him on the phone and we're driving
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: in LA and he picked up the phone to her
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and she's in the Bahamas. I picked up the phone.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: She's moaning. She's groaning. There's a whole stuff going on.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: At first I thought- And are you OK? Like, do
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I have to, like, come up to the house right now? Like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: what's going on? And she goes, no, baby. And all
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: this stuff. I go, oh, OK, hold on one second.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I go, babe, it's for you.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: So I answer the phone. I get on the phone.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't know it was Anna at the time.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I get on the phone. I'm like, hello? Hi, baby.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I have my hand. in my pussy. Stop it!
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: You can say that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I can or can't?
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I have my hand in my pussy and
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I need you to get me off.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Shut up.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: So then you just talked dirty.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: All the way to the airport to LAX.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: I got distracted.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Talking dirty to her. Like, yeah, big time. And then she.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: That's a good friend.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I guess it's a threesome at this point. I was
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: in the car, too.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: She had an orgasm. She was excited.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Like, we.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: This was at 7.30 in the morning.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Now, were you worried about the... You know, then she
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: was a spokesperson for Trim Spa. Yes. Which is no
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: longer available.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Right. I don't... We were on the Trim Spa bus
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: across country.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, and so... But she got all skinny again.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: And, you know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: It was the olympic of the time. I think so.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: People also wonder, you know, obviously, did that contribute to
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: possibly her death or not?
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say allegedly. I don't know. These
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: were rumors because it was like, you know, where is that?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you that when first she went to the Bahamas,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: she wanted to get away and have her baby. Her
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: focus was.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You need to clarify that because she went to the Bahamas,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: specifically researched the country to hide and get away from Larry.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: That's what I meant.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: She went there specifically because he is a monster and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: she wanted him away from her daughter.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: She knew that if you have a child in the Bahamas,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: the mother... is the one that runs and regulates.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And puts the name of the father on the birth certificate.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: And whatever name you put on the birth certificate becomes
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: the father.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So when she went to the Bahamas to get away,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm being a little more sensitive maybe in
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the way I said it. When she went there, we
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: were the last people she saw before she went on
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the private plane to go. So she's there. We went there.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: We saw her. Then Daniel was in LA. When the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: baby was born, we were going to be in the
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: delivery room to have the baby because we're the uncles.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: And when we were going to go, we had a
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: car accident that morning. So we couldn't fly out. So
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: we had to go the next day. By then we
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: hear that Daniel has passed away.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: And just to let people know, So she had the baby.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: He came. Three days later. Met his sister.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: And you know, when you, when you have a baby,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: there's that chair.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: There.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: And he fell asleep in the chair and she's sleeping
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: and the baby's, you know, in the cradle or whatever.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: And she wakes up and he is not waking up,
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: her son.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: And, and he, he mixed something. He mixed something.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Well, he never liked, he didn't like to fly. That
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: was one of the reasons why he had a hard
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: time trying.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: To go there. So he took some anxiety, something, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: had pills. Correct.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And one of the reasons why we never flew to Nebraska,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: we took the bus, is because Daniel didn't like to fly.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: So we drove, I mean, we didn't drive it, the driver,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: but we went on a big bus to go cross
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: country to Nebraska, to Camp Kendall, because she wanted to
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: make sure that Daniel was with us.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: And what was in Camp Kendall? That was from spa parents?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: No, it was a kids camp. A lot of people
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: don't know how charitable Anna was. We went to a
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: kids camp with kids that are infected and affected with
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: AIDS and HIV. And we volunteered there for a week.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: And she actually donated all of it to make sure
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: that the camp was going to happen. There were over
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: 200 kids there with nurses, AIDS. It was beautiful.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: And that was season two of the Anna Nicole show
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: called Anna Goes to Camp. And we were on that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So when he flew there, That was already, you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: anxiety and stuff like that. So whatever he took didn't
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: really settle with his system.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: And then how shortly after the tragedy of that, then
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: she passed?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Six months.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, six months. For some reason, I thought it was
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: like six days later.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: No, the baby was born September 7th, I believe.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: No, the baby is born.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Daniel passes away.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Within days.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: We have Daniel's funeral first.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: In October.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: And then Anna passes away.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: But a few months later, though.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: February, February.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: All within, like, September to February.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: For some reason in my brain, I remembered it being, like, literally, like,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: five days apart.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, not that close.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: So when did, so before she gave birth is when
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: she had to fight Howard, what's the.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Man she was married to?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Howard J. Marshall.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: She had to fight Howard. So Howard J. Marshall passes.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: And she is the wife.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: So she... So was there nothing in his will left
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: for his heirs? Was it all to go to her?
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: No, no. See, he was estranged from his family as well.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: So the kids didn't want him around. Right. J. Howard Marshall.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: That's why he was looking elsewhere. So when he got married.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Free to do whatever he wanted. So she ended up
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: getting everything. But what they did is they contested it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: Because most people, if they get married later in life
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: to another person, they make sure that, you know, like
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: if you get married at 25, whatever, I die, you
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: get everything, you die. But most people with their second
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: spouse die. will say, okay, I want to make sure
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: my second spouse is protected. She's not going to leave
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: this home, that kind of thing. But it also, my
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: kids from this first marriage get something. But because he
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: was estranged from them.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you're 89 years old, you're not thinking
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: of it in a legal aspect because a handshake is
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: enough for you to be able, and your word means something.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: It's not an email.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: So he passes and And she thinks she's going to
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: have the funeral and she's going to inherit what she's
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: meant to inherit. And then the 65-year-old son or whatever
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: goes after her.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: And it's this full court trial.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: And that's where Howard Stern, the attorney, not the radio personality,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: the attorney that's been her attorney. Was he always her
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: entertainment attorney?
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. He used to work at a law
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: firm that she was retaining.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: But because she needed so much more attention and Howard
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: loved Anna. Right. he took it upon himself to be
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: able to do all the other legal stuff and then
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: had to separate from the firm in order for him
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: to be able to just take care of it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And she had an opportunity. I don't know if your
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: audience probably doesn't know this, but she had an opportunity
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: when she went to the Supreme Court Before she died
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: and that when she was first she.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Was wearing the black and she called us.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: And she said they're offering me 69 million dollars How
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: much was it 144 no wasn't no 69 million dollars
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: because they know listen No, I'm telling you she what
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: she told us and you remember she told us they're
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: offering her what? yeah, they're out there offering us they're
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: offering me 69 million dollars and Howard is saying No,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you have to get 140 million or more. That's where
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the 144 million came. And Paul told her, you did
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: tell her, we both said, take the money. If it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: $ 69 million, are you kidding? And you said, you can
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: buy an island with that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I wrote it down because I couldn't believe I said,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: how many zeros is in it, Anna? Just like this.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Because I know how I talk.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And she goes, You know, I don't know. I said,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: if we don't know how many zeros go inside this,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: it's something that you should be grateful for at this
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: point because you're going to be spending how many more
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: years to be able to fight something that's never going
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: to come. You're going to take this money and you're going.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: To double it and triple it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: But Howard said, no, you have to take at least
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: 144 million minimum. If they don't offer you that because
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: they're billionaires, we're walking. And they did. And I real
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: to this day, I believe the reason that Howard refused
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: her to take that money is because then he wouldn't
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: have been representing her anymore. And he probably wouldn't have
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: been in her life. That's my belief.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: So what did it finally settle at?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It never did. Zero. She never got anything.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: No, because she died.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Neither did Danny Lynn. Nothing.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: No, he died. The son died.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Then the mother continued.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Which mother?
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, the sister.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: The sister continued.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And she died.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: And so she ended up with nothing.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Correct. So Anna Nicole never got any money from them.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Not one penny.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: And how many days in court did she spend? It
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: seems like that went on and on and on.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: It was like two weeks, I think.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: And so, but then didn't she marry? No, she never
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: married Howard Stern. She just. Howard Stern said, I'm the father.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Well, you're talking about the Bahamas. We had a wedding
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: in the Bahamas, which we did. It was on the
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: cover of People magazine.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I made her a wedding dress then, too.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: He made all her dress and I did all the photos.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: It was like a sound of music scenario because I
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: end up at the Bahamas because I have a big
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: surprise for you. I have to come tomorrow. I'm like, Anna,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I've got clients. I've got to do things. No, you
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: have to come. You have to be here. I can't
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: do this without you. I'm like, oh, my God. Okay,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: so let's go.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: And how did you feel about her marrying Howard Stern?
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? Everyone's relationship is different. And if
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: they wanted to be together in that capacity, then I
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: was like, great. Then at least Danny Lynn, the baby,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? We had all these
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: other considerations to make.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: So it was fine.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: And do you think that they were sexual, her and
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Howard Stern?
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: They were.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Anna was very sexual.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: She was very sexual, yes.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: They were having sex all the time. Oh, they were?
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Because she was, he gave her comfort. Yeah. And so
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I don't fault him for that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: But no, did she not? She was not in love
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I didn't think they were. I thought it was like
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: just a weird thing. ruse or cover up to get
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: rid of Larry Burkhead. I didn't understand the relationship.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: They didn't love each other. Larry was only in Anna's
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: life for one and a half minutes.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm telling you that exactly. One and a half minutes.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: So they get married.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I've known Anna now for almost over 20 some years,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: 25 years. So you have to think If Larry was
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: only there for one and a half minutes, what do
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: you know about that individual? How many restaurants do you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: think they went to? How many places did they go
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: to the movies? What's a date? When you go get
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: food for us, that's a date?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Not so much.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: So they get married, you go to the wedding. And
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: how long after that?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: You mean on the wedding on the boat?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: They get married, yes. After they get married, how shortly
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: after that does she pass then?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: They got married at the beginning of October. We buried
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Daniel at the beginning of October. We had the wedding
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: at the end of October. And then she passes February 8th.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: So just a couple months.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: And then it's after that that then Larry Burkhead and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: Howard Stern start fighting over the custody issue.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Of Dan.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Danny Lin.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Danny Lin.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: We named Danny Lin.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: We named Danny Lin.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We came up with the name.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: So as far as.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Don't you think.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: I always thought it was a little.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Odd.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: That you had one child named Daniel. And then a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: girl named Danny Lin. Like I think that's kind of.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: I always just thought that was very close.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: In the name.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: That's why we did it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: She wanted that. Her.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: The baby's name was supposed to be Hannibal Rose.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Even knows that.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: She did all these paintings of her belly. And Hannibal
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Rose on it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: So when the baby was going to be Hannibal Rose
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: with all the paintings that we took from L.A. and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: she was painting this since L.A. We took it to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: the Bahamas and we decorated an entire room for Hannibal's arrival.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Then when the baby, when Daniel died, she couldn't call
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: her Hannibal Rose.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, so she changed the name.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, I never realized that she changed the name kind
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: of in his honor.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: So we were all sitting in the bedroom together and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: she was in bed and she was crying and just
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: a basket case because she couldn't let go of Daniel.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't know how I can even.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: And she was saying, I don't know how I can
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: let Daniel go. And at this point, the baby was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: called Hannah Bell. She goes, I don't even, I'm not
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: going to use that name. I can't use that name.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: She couldn't call her like.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: She goes, I want to use a name with Daniel's name.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So we started all calling me, Paul, Dr.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Chris.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: We're all in the room and we were all calling
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: out names. I said, why don't we name her Daniela?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Because I had a girlfriend in high school, believe it
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: or not, when I was straight, named Daniela. And Lynn
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: was Vicky Lynn, Anna's middle name. And our daughter's middle
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: name too was Lynn. And then I said, Hope, Hope
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: for the future. Let's call her Daniela Lynn Hope. And
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Anna looks and she says, I like that. And then
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: what did she say? Let's call her... Let's do Danny Lynn.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Danny Lynn Hope Marshall Stern.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: That's what she said to us. That's how the baby's name...
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a couple of hours. We wrote
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: things down.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I have a whole bunch of names written down.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: You know, we were just hanging out. It's very intimate.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: And we were trying to comfort her. We're trying to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: come up with... Of course, we're all cradling the baby.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: The nannies are coming in and out of the room.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: The baby's crying. All the stuff is happening. So the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: whole scene. And when we came up with the name...
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: there's this something miraculous that happened.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Her face lit up. Her energy changed a little bit.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: She called for the baby immediately for the nurses, for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: the nannies to bring the baby back into the room.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: She was starting to sing to the baby at two
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. We used to take the baby
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: out on the tennis court and run around and, you know, with.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: All the paparazzi on the other side of the stage
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: taking pictures, snapping.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: In the Bahamas.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: In the Bahamas. And so, um, She felt like she
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: could start connecting to the baby that way.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: So you were back in L.A. when you got the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: horrible news. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: And we got the call. And Mo.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we were supposed to be going to Miami.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, for the boat.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot about that. Because we had talked to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: her the night before. So we're going to Miami to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: go pick up. The boat.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: She goes, oh, you guys got to come.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: So just meet me in Miami.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: We're going to take the boat.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to go back to the Bahamas and then
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: you can fly back out.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: It'll be a great weekend.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: That's how crazy it was. She would always just spur
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: the moment, say, oh, and we would drop everything and go.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: But of course she would. But she knew to count
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: on her friend.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like most of our friends are just
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: as crazy when they call you and we call them
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: the same way. We're like, what are you doing? Let's go.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: But it just seems like a whole harebrained scheme idea
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: that you would never think about.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: So we were supposed to go to Miami. So she
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: calls us and she goes, I fell in the bathtub.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: My head hurt.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if we're going to go tomorrow.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I may just wait a day and just relax.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: And then we'll go. And you forgot she had a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: vitamin B shot in her butt that got infected and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: she had pneumonia.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: And so Dr. Chris had called us, remember, and told
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: us she was giving her an ice bath. Because she
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: had to bring her fever down because she had like
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: 104 fever or something.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: And I told her, I said, go to the hospital.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: No, they're going to know me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do that because everyone's going to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: ask us. And they're all going to go. And I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: know that to be true each time something did happen.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: But do you remember the last word she ever said
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to us on the phone was, and that's why I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: put it in the front of our book, Portrait of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: an Icon. The last word she ever said to us
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: on the phone was, Cause we said, okay, we're going
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to come. We're going to, I love y'all. Kiss, kiss.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Those are the last words she ever said to me.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: So we put it in our book.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: And then you got the word that what happened?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: She just, the next morning, a reporter called me. Well,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: there was so many trucks reporting trucks in front of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: our boutique at Rodeo. And I'm like, well, this is weird.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: They got there before me. I'm like, I don't know
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: what's going on with these people. I walk into the store. There's,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: swarm of paparazzi I don't want to call them paparazzi
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: but there are all these people in front of the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: boutique like going crazy yep the employees in the back
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: they've closed this door the door because they're afraid of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: what's going on and then.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Reporter calls me because we had done several interviews after
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Daniel died we were on ET and Insider and all
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of those so reporter calls me and he goes oh
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: my god do you have any of the information about
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Anna Nicole like the comment do you have a comment
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: about Anna Nicole I'm like what do you mean she
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: just passed out at the basically told the reporters that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: she just passed out at the um the hard rock
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: hotel and at that point the the media did not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: know she had died i called mo immediately the bodyguard
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: uh big mo and i'm like mo mo and he
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: answers the phone in tears and i'm like mo what's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: going on what's going on someone just said anna passed
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: out is she okay he goes no baby girl's gone
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: She's gone. They just declared her gone. And I just
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: started bawling. And I'm like, Mo, what? What? You got
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: to get here. You got to get here. Patrick, you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: got to get here. I love you, boys. You got
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: to get here. I'm like, what do you mean she's gone?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: He goes, Anna's dead.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Honestly, in the meantime.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I broke down.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: There were people rushing in the store.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: And then I called Jim. And that's when they were
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: running in.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Trying to take things. Right.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: They tried to steal her dress off the mannequin. They
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: were running out of the boutique with the drugs.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: But wait, when you arrive to your store at that
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: time and you see all the reporters, you don't know
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: because you two aren't together.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: I was in my office.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: And so how do you find out?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: How do you find out?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I called him immediately and told him.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Because he was at the office, which is around the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: corner from the boutique. And I just broke down. And
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: next thing you know.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: He dropped the phone. I was telling him he dropped
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: the phone.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: We rushed to LAX, got on the first flight. Because
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: when we went. To Miami.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: We went together.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: You're right. The whole area was barricaded.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Blocked off.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: You can't get in. You can't get out. Everybody was
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: behind these walls. And because it was a reservation, an
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Indian reservation, they had different kind of police. The minute
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: they knew it was us two.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: At the Hard Rock Hotel. Every news reporter was there.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Every truck, everything.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: So they allowed us. to be able to drive because
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: they checked with the front. Our names were there. We're
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: the only ones there.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: And then Dr. Chris came down the elevator and met
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: us and took us upstairs to the hotel room. And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: we were in the same hotel room that she passed
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: away in.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: So when I went upstairs, I saw Howard. I saw Mo.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I left him there. And I took another private plane
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: and went to the Bahamas immediately because we got a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: call saying that the house was being Because.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: They were looting and ransacking the house.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: So I went to the Bahamas like within minutes. Right.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Because on a private, it was just really quick. I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: get to the Bahamas. The government meets me at the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: airport with security and police. I go to the house
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: because they know me.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Because we had security the whole time when we were
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: in the Bahamas. And I try to take the house
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: back over. You did take the house back over.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: You secured it.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because they were looting, taking everything. But they had
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: taken so much. U-Hauls were being driven away.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: It was horrific.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Just random people or what are you talking about?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: The developers that she was in conflict with over the house.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Because everybody was worried that I'm not going to get paid.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Or what's going to happen. Correct.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: The only thing I remember is walking into the baby's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: room and just I couldn't even put my head around
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: seeing the devastation of what the house looked like. I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: had to go then do a police report. There was
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: just so much involved.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: And then he came on a private plane with Howard.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: To the Bahamas.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: You know, hours later. Because I'm like, you guys can't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: stay there. You guys cannot stay here.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: But I was in her... Eerily, we're in her hotel
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: room in the bed that she was... She had passed
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: away and it was just this weird... It was a little... Like,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: you can't understand the... So.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: So then... After this, you know, she's put to rest.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: That is when then there's the custody dispute. Yes. Or
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: the biological dad dispute.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Between Howard Stern and.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Larry Burkett.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: Larry Burkett. And how did that get resolved? They just
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: finally did a DNA test?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: He finally got a court order to get a DNA
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and then proved that he was, in fact, the biological father.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: What did he live off of to raise her? Did
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Anna have much money at that point when she passed?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: No, she did not. I think her house was underwater
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: in Studio City, they said. It was.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: I think. I think.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you why. Because Anna, I love her.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: But if you gave her $ 1, 000, she would spend $ 10, 000.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: She never had the concept of money. Well, she was
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Anna Nicole.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: She had a great, fabulous fashion then.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: It's so true. And she had no concept of spending
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: and what she was spending. If she wanted it, she
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: got it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: I think Larry's opportunities arise when he realized that he
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: could sell photographs.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Which is what he used to do, unfortunately, before Anna
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Nicole came. Nobody really bought his photographs to make money,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: so he had to sleep on people's couches. Therefore, having
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: access to what people wanted, which were photographs of the baby,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: became a lucrative opportunity. They don't pay you for interviews,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: they say, and they pay you for pictures.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: And he took a lot of pictures, held her up,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: and got money for it. And then realized he couldn't
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: stay in L.A. and went to Kentucky.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Where he could actually be able to afford something to survive.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: And he was also a big fish in a little
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: pond in Kentucky. That's why he went there.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I always remember they'd go to the Kentucky Derby
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: and everything.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: And she's really pretty. Now, how old is she now?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Like 15?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: 16.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: 16.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: And I saw something, you know, they would do like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: a follow-up once in a while. Right. And seeing her stuff.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Do you have any contact with her?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: We don't.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: He doesn't allow anybody that was in Anna's life and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: in her circle.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: I can tell you one thing. We will after she
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: turns 18.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: She'll find us.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Because she doesn't know her mother.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Larry does not know her mother. If Anna Nicole was
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: here today, Larry would have never seen Anna Nicole's baby.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: So if you think that Larry wants to be able
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: to share what her mother was like, he doesn't know.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: He was only in her life for a minute and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: a half and a sperm donor. So When you have
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: valued relationships that you build throughout the entire span of life,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and you have friendships that you build, business relationships that
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: you procure, don't you think that those people know the individual?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to keep them close so that you
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: can share and create a safe space for a baby
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: to recognize how loved, that person was, how impactful that
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: they were in so many different instances. We've celebrated birthdays.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: We've celebrated holidays. We've celebrated Mother's Day and Father's Day
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: simultaneously together. So he's never done any of those. Just
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: as an example, Thanksgiving. Like there's so many celebrations that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: we've had.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That you had with Anna Nicole.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Every day. If we didn't speak to each other
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: at least every other day, there was something wrong.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: You remember we had AOL back then. Right. Her screen name,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: which nobody knows unless it's in our book, but it
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: was Hot Smoochie Lip. And mine was Patrick AZ1 because
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I had been back and forth from Arizona. And so
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: we would always talk on instant messenger. Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: See, he doesn't know what my conversations were with Anna.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: But I can tell you one thing. I know every
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: single whisper and syllabus that he always uttered to my
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: best friend.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: And I will tell you that Larry should be very
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: scared of the conversations between us and Hannah regarding Larry.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Because my friend and I, we shared. Just like every
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: good friend does.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm very excited for people to watch the documentary.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: And also, I want to talk about your new podcast
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: that you guys are doing.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: It's a fashion podcast.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Heather, I— And it's really fun, and you do it
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: on YouTube, too, and you do it with your gowns
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: all around you. Oh, my God, yes. And it's called
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Undressed with Paul and Patrick.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: And obviously, anywhere you guys, you know, get podcasts or
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: if you want to watch it, you can subscribe on
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: YouTube and all of that. And anything else you want
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: to tell people to follow you, tell them now.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: I'm loving doing the podcast.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: I'm so surprised.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: I never thought I'd love doing it as much as...
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: I like it better than the show.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: Than doing a reality show.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Than doing the.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: TV show because.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: You do? Yeah, because I get to sit and relax
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: in the show. They make me sew. They make me dress.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: They make.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: There's so many. They make me dance like a freaking monkey.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: I swear to God. On this one, at least I get...
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: that'll I love.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: I love the show and where where can people if
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: they are in Beverly Hills or coming to LA sure
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: and they want to come to your store.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: And oh my god so many people do.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: And come visit us and maybe get a dress go
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: to 9414 Dayton Way Beverly Hills and are all.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: The dresses like custom all custom so there's nothing that
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: you can get off.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: The rack but it's custom and you put on the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: rack that you can come in and buy yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: And is there any but are there any that you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: could like borrow or only if you're a celebrity?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Who's asking?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Me.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Me. Oh, Heather.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: Don't you have somebody else more that would fit me?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: We have a size zero for you, yes? I'm not
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: a zero.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Zero, zero.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not a zero.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: They can follow me on Patrick Simpson Instagram. Paul, Paula2 Instagram.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Snow White. Snow White.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: 90210.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: You're welcome to come anytime.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Come pick a dress.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: So thank you so much, you guys. And Netflix, it
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: drops May 16th. Anna Nicole Smith, You Don't Know Me.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Follow their podcast. Follow them. And Gown and Out.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: In Beverly Hills.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: In Beverly Hills is available on Tubi.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Prime Video.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I won't even tell you some of the amazing
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: guests we have.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Coming on our radio. Prime Video, Roku, Tubi. Four seasons.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: And now you're going now to film another season.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing a hybrid break-off season called Gown and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Out in Beverly Hills. Dubai, bitches.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: And now we're doing a whole season of just Dubai.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, and you're going off to go do that. Okay,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: that is great.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: You see what I mean?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. See, the podcast, I sit down.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: The other one, I got to fly across the freaking continent.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: You're flying Emirates, bitch. You should be happy.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: I've never, I have not been to Dubai.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: You're going to love it.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: I will take you. You want to go?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go. Come with us.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: I want to go. I want to go.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: We can get another Rolls Royce for you.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: All right. I'd like to go.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, my friends, well, my wife, Allie, Allie Shapiro,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: Jill Zarin's daughter, she loves went recently with the atlantis
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: opening oh yeah and watching her stuff i was like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: i mean i thought i got more excited for dubai
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: watching her little tiktoks than watching the entire season of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: real housewives of dubai.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah well i'll tell you something i just feel like she.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: Showed the beauty well and yep.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: There is the dubai that you and i will see
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: yeah and then there's the real Dubai, which you don't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: want to go through. Right.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Because it's the desert.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: It's exactly what you think. Right. You know, the Russian
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: oligarchs have really created a little Monaco. Yeah. It looks
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: like Monaco.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Dubai is one of the most amazing cities.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have everything.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Countries in the world. It's amazing.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: And it's really very friendly.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they told us that we're going to be
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: shooting a magazine cover. So we're going to be the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: first gay couple on the magazine cover. in Dubai. That's
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: going to be kind of cool.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: For the June issue.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: I can't get married because, you know, bitch stole my wedding,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: but I can have a magazine company.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lance.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Just milk out this engagement for another five years.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I figure he can't afford another ring right now anyway.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Just start calling you Star Jones.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you guys came out. Thank you so much.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having us.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
• 1:19:37
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