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UK Column News Podcast 25th April 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twenty fifth of April twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock and welcome to UK
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Speaker 1: Collin News. I'm your host Mike Robinson. Joining me in
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Speaker 1: the studio today is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Patrick, great to be with you, Mike.
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Speaker 1: And by video link we have Mark Anderson now literally
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Speaker 1: in the program. We're going to be covering Ukraine, Syria,
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Speaker 1: international trade and censorship, but we are going to begin
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Speaker 1: today with recruitment into the military here in the UK. Now,
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Speaker 1: back in December, the Telegraph carried an article saying that
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Speaker 1: thousands of military personnel were and are leaving their jobs,
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Speaker 1: hardly surprising under the circumstances and the drive for war.
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Speaker 1: But as we reported over the past year, the threat
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Speaker 1: of conscription is ever present and although over discussion of
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Speaker 1: conscription is basically dropped off the news agenda, and it's
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Speaker 1: very much still a thing. So I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: highlight communication that a long time UK column supporter has
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Speaker 1: had with their MP on the issue. So they wrote
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Speaker 1: to their MP and said this, I heard the debate
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Speaker 1: in the House about the increase in youth unemployment. Mark
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Speaker 1: Pritchard MP put it to Liz Kendall that one way
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Speaker 1: of attracting some people back into work is for her
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Speaker 1: to have discussions with their colleagues in the Ministry Defense
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Speaker 1: and that getting more into the more young people into
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Speaker 1: the armed forces would be a starting place. Liz Kendall
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Speaker 1: our members UK called members, said to her MP. Liz
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Speaker 1: Kendall then claimed, I'll be having more conversations with colleagues
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Speaker 1: in the Ministry Defense to make sure we put this
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Speaker 1: planet action. A question to you as to her MP,
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Speaker 1: what plan and whose plan? Well Mark himself wrote back
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Speaker 1: and said this or sorry, David Smith is the MP
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Speaker 1: here the government recognizes the armed forces as not only
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Speaker 1: a vital institution for national defense, but also as a
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Speaker 1: potential career path that offers structure, skills and prospects for
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Speaker 1: young people. He went on to say the plan involves
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Speaker 1: collaboration across different governmental departments, including the MOD to facilitate
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Speaker 1: recruitment processes and make military careers more accessible and appealing
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Speaker 1: to the youth. So basically, the idea of they're there
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Speaker 1: to sell the idea of death and destruction to young
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Speaker 1: people by going into schools and propagandizing them. That's certainly
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Speaker 1: what I would suggest, I mean. David Smith went on
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Speaker 1: to say discussions involving the mod are part of a
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Speaker 1: broader strategy to diversify employment opportunities available to young Britain's.
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Speaker 1: So Smith is discussing a plan. It's absolutely clear that
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Speaker 1: this issue of recruitment in the military is therefore being
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Speaker 1: taken very seriously. And why would it not be, because certainly
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Speaker 1: the regime has a plan for what we are going
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Speaker 1: to do internationally on the global stage with boats on
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Speaker 1: the grind and so, except we don't have any boats
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Speaker 1: to put on the grind. So I don't see any
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Speaker 1: i'd come Patrick. I don't know what your views on this,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see any outcome than some kind of
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Speaker 1: forced entry into the military, whether you call that conscription
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Speaker 1: or national service or whatever. I don't see that we're
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Speaker 1: going to end up in any other destination.
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Speaker 2: Well, some countries have national service, many used to, but
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Speaker 2: they rolled it back in recent years. I remember I
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Speaker 2: was approached in high school by the US Marines and
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Speaker 2: the Army, and not the Navy, but definitely Marines in
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Speaker 2: the army. And then they probe you. They look at
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Speaker 2: your profile and they'd say I was an art student
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Speaker 2: and at the times we need artists in the military.
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Speaker 2: We need people like you. And they say, and you're
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Speaker 2: an athlete, Oh my gosh, look at that, you're a
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Speaker 2: regional swimmer and whatnot. We need swimmers for you know,
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Speaker 2: frogmen and Navy seals and stuff like that. So they're
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Speaker 2: really they're really aggressively recruiting you in America from a
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Speaker 2: very young age. They come on campus, onto school and
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Speaker 2: they have a little booth there. They'll even pick you
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Speaker 2: up at lunchtime as you're sitting around with your mates,
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Speaker 2: you know. So it's very organized here. Not as aggressive
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Speaker 2: obviously because you've had a professional military for so many years.
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Speaker 2: But the question everyone has on their mind in the
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Speaker 2: age of social media and all the gen Zers have
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Speaker 2: phones and are all kind of ofe with a lot
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Speaker 2: of geopolitics, what wars are we fighting? Who are we
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Speaker 2: going to be fighting against? Why are we fighting? Is
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Speaker 2: there going to be a European war? Is it going
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Speaker 2: to be against the Russians? Does that mean I'm going
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Speaker 2: to end up in a trench in Ukraine? Is that
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Speaker 2: my fate here? I mean, let's get serious. In the
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Speaker 2: age of missiles, hypersonic missiles. Why are the infantry? What's
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Speaker 2: it all about? And that's a legit question.
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Speaker 1: It certainly is well look speaking of properagandizing children, the
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Speaker 1: Starmer regime has announced that thousands of school children across US,
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Speaker 1: the UK and Ukraine have applied to take part in
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Speaker 1: a landmark one hundred year partnership program between the two countries.
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Speaker 1: So more than seven hundred and fifty schools from across
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Speaker 1: the UK and Ukraine applied to take part in this program.
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Speaker 1: And they say that this is all about fostering classroom friendships,
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Speaker 1: cultural understanding and inspiring future generations of world leaders, diplomats
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Speaker 1: and business leaders. So children are they said, and their
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Speaker 1: press release the children will also mark the launch of
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Speaker 1: a new commemorative stamp, isn't that great? So that's designed
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Speaker 1: by both the UK and Ukrainian governments and it's going
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Speaker 1: to be entered into circulation by the Ukrainian Post Office
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Speaker 1: by the end of the month. And this is all
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Speaker 1: being facilitated by the UK's premier soft power outlet, the
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Speaker 1: British Council.
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Speaker 2: The British Councils is Britain's version of USAID. In a way,
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Speaker 2: you could say there's been some other choice stamps that
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Speaker 2: have been issued by the Postmaster General and Kiev Mike,
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Speaker 2: and some of them are not very nice, some venerating
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Speaker 2: Nazi war criminals in World War Two and stuff on
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Speaker 2: Bendera and these types of people. That's the sort of
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Speaker 2: country you're dealing with. So if I was going to
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Speaker 2: sign one hundred year packed with a country like Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: I'd want them to kind of try to de not
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Speaker 2: sify a little bit that it's just for optics. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's not a good.
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Speaker 1: Look kids in school in the UK. Would you be
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Speaker 1: encouraging them to run some kind of exchange program.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we could twin you know, the hometown of Stephan
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Speaker 2: Bundera with some village in England and have a nice
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Speaker 2: cultural exchange. What's that going to be? What sort of
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Speaker 2: paraphernalia is going to be exchanged there? Mean, these are
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Speaker 2: like legitimate questions because you've seen the indoctrination camps in Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: They get them very young and they're doing Roman salutes
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It's not pleasant to look at,
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Speaker 2: but that's a reality, especially in western Ukraine. So let's
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Speaker 2: be real about it. Have a genuine, real ad conversation
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Speaker 2: about what's really going on there? The stuff that the
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Speaker 2: BBC themselves reported on in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, you
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Speaker 2: can go look it up on YouTube. Nobody talks about
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Speaker 2: the Nazi problem in Ukraine, but the BBC sure knew
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Speaker 2: about it right around my don.
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Speaker 1: That they seem to have forgotten about it very conveniently. Well. Look,
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Speaker 1: in the meantime, Marshall vonder Lean has been back in
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Speaker 1: time kissing care Starmer, not in this particular photograph but
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Speaker 1: in others. So welcome to dining Street. Starmer said, we're
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Speaker 1: working with our allies to make British people safer, more
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Speaker 1: secure and more prosperous. And so the question is, hi, Well,
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Speaker 1: he's making us all more prosperous by signing us up
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Speaker 1: to a one hundred and fifty billion euro joint defense
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Speaker 1: procurement program. And he said, we'll discuss work on a
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Speaker 1: strategic Security in Defense Partnership agreement which might pave the
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Speaker 1: way to joint procurement and UK participation in the SAF program.
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Speaker 1: In the now, procurement is a key part of the
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Speaker 1: European Defense Union, which, as we've been highlighted for years,
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Speaker 1: is something that Britain has been a key driver of
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Speaker 1: alongside the French. In fact, Britain's involvement and EU Defense
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Speaker 1: Union is a prerequisite of participation in the in the
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Speaker 1: Joint Procurement Program, which UK based defense companies are obviously
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Speaker 1: very keen to get involved with as efforts to reorient
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Speaker 1: away from Trump's USA continue. So, you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know how real that re orientation is away from the
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Speaker 1: United States, whether it's smoke and mirrors in order to
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Speaker 1: try to build this European infrastructure, but nonetheless that's the
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Speaker 1: excuses being used.
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Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know who's going to benefit
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Speaker 2: from that. There may be some jobs in the UK MIC,
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Speaker 2: but the industry is financialized. It's all based on share
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Speaker 2: prices and stock market gains. It's completely financialized. So you know,
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Speaker 2: if you're in that industry and you're a private equity firm,
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Speaker 2: you're in the defense industry, or you're invested in that
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Speaker 2: in your portfolio and index funds, you're going to do great.
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Speaker 2: But how's that going to help the average person? How's
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Speaker 2: that going to help the baseline of the working class
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Speaker 2: of the economy. I don't think very much at all,
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Speaker 2: And in fact, it is completely globalized. The internal EU market,
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Speaker 2: between EU countries, separation compartment compartmentalization of industries plus stuff
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Speaker 2: that's being manufactured internationally. To get the best price, Why
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Speaker 2: to get the best bottom line? Why to make sure
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Speaker 2: that you pay out the best dividends to your shareholders. Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: that's what it's really all about. Ask Nigel Faraj, he
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Speaker 2: worked in the City of London. You certainly should know.
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Speaker 1: He should know. Yes, Now, this is important because the
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Speaker 1: UK is filling the void left by the United States
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Speaker 1: and providing logistical and intelligence support to Ukraine, as The
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Speaker 1: Guardian was supporting a few months a couple of months ago.
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Speaker 1: It's important though to say this, I think in the
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Speaker 1: context of Britain's role in Ukraine over the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years, and that is to keep the meat grinder going.
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Speaker 1: And to illustrate that point, I want to highlight this
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Speaker 1: article from The Gray Zone and Kit Clarenberg. It's headlined
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Speaker 1: UK intel behind Ukraine's disastrous krink? Is that how you
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Speaker 1: pronounced it? Invasion? Leaked documents reveal. Now, this is an
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Speaker 1: extremely interesting article and really this story should be top
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Speaker 1: building in the mainstream press, but it isn't. And I
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Speaker 1: wonder why, And I wonder that why with a sense
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Speaker 1: of rny perhaps, But one reason is it Klarenberg is
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Speaker 1: citing leaked documents, and of course British media, midstream media
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Speaker 1: doesn't really want to go there. But Klarenberg writes that
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Speaker 1: the leaked documents that he has seen detail of blueprint
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Speaker 1: for Ukraine's field effort to capture the village of Krinky.
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Speaker 1: He says the plan was pulled together by an organization
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Speaker 1: called Project Alchemy, which he describes as a secret military
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Speaker 1: intelligence cell by the Ministry of Defense, which, and this
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Speaker 1: is a quote, they sought at all costs to keep
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Speaker 1: Ukraine fighting. Now we've known that the UK has been
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Speaker 1: seeking at all costs to keep Ukraine fighting for well,
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Speaker 1: basically since Boris Johnson went to Zelensky and said, do
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Speaker 1: not do the peace deal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's been. That's been the resondetre, the
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Speaker 2: entire project from there, you know, the Krinsky, the Krinky
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Speaker 2: story Mike has been around for a couple of months.
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Speaker 2: These latest revelations basically confirm Britain played the central role
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Speaker 2: in basically egging on Ukrainian marine units to keep going
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Speaker 2: into what was clearly a meat grinder, a total losing
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Speaker 2: effort to retake part of this territory. I believe it's
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Speaker 2: by the along the Dama River right in this area,
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Speaker 2: and to no avail in thousands of Ukrainians parish for
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Speaker 2: absolutely no reason to try to capture territory that just
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Speaker 2: wasn't available to be captured. It turned out to be
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Speaker 2: a massive trap. And not only that, there's also reports
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Speaker 2: about Britain's role in the Kursk region in Russia, sending
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Speaker 2: Ukrainians into that cauldron, that infamous cauldron where I don't
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Speaker 2: know how many thousands died. What are the numbers, up
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Speaker 2: to ten thousand, maybe more, something ridiculous numbers. That was
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Speaker 2: again British trainers, British commanders. So it's already leaked from
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Speaker 2: the US revelations in recent weeks that NATO has played
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Speaker 2: an integral role in all command and control of all
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Speaker 2: operations for Ukraine. So that's US in Britain ostensibly, and
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Speaker 2: now the US has pulled back, Britain has moved into
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Speaker 2: logistical driving seat for Ukraine. So any operations you're going
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Speaker 2: to see from here forward, it's probably most likely going
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Speaker 2: to be Britain going to be running it, calling the
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Speaker 2: shots for Ukraine. And it's not a winning gambit, certainly
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Speaker 2: not for the Ukrainians. Maybe for the vanity of NATO
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Speaker 2: or the vanity of former imperial powers. It might be
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Speaker 2: worth doing to keep the military industrial complex buoyant, but
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Speaker 2: how much good is it doing for the people of Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: especially the ones that get conscripted off the street. They're
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Speaker 2: literally grabbing them off the streets of Ukraine. There's hundreds
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Speaker 2: thousands of videos circulating online of this. Okay, they don't
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Speaker 2: want to fight. Polling suggests that the majority of Ukrainians
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Speaker 2: no longer want to fight a war with Russia. They
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Speaker 2: would like to see some kind of peaceful resolution. But
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Speaker 2: that's not what European leaders want, that's not what British
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Speaker 2: leaders want, and certainly not what the military industrial complex wants.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, as you've said, the allegations that Britain was
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Speaker 1: responsible for these mass casualties of Crinky originated with this
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Speaker 1: report in Kine's Ukraine Kaptpravda. Now, this is a publication
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Speaker 1: which is recently alleged huge pressure from the Office of
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Speaker 1: the President of Ukraine to be somewhat more partisans reporting
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Speaker 1: that it wants to be. It's by no means pro Russian.
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Speaker 1: Certainly a lot less pro Russian than it was a
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Speaker 1: few years ago. Sorry, a lot less Ukrainian that it
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Speaker 1: was a few years ago. But it's certainly not pro Russian,
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Speaker 1: and it's certainly not pro Silensky enough for the Ukraine
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Speaker 1: government at the moment. And they stated that the uk
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Speaker 1: perhaps Ukraine's most active and determined ally, had been pressuring
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Speaker 1: Kiev to use marines for waterbone operations and deceptive maneuvers
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Speaker 1: since the proxy conflict began. The Ukraine military was skeptical
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Speaker 1: about this and they were pushing back, but they caved
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Speaker 1: under the pressure and the result, as you've just said, Patrick,
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Speaker 1: was complete disaster. And I absolutely recommend reading this article.
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Speaker 1: It'll be in the show notes under the program on
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Speaker 1: the UK Column website. But just briefly, getting back to
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Speaker 1: the gray zone, Clarenberg highlights a document published in June
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two entitled building a Ukrainian Maritime Rating Capability,
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Speaker 1: in which the Project Alchemy planners proposed quote a new
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Speaker 1: maritime rating force to be trained specifically in the operational
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Speaker 1: area of the south coastin region of Ukraine to the
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Speaker 1: Karsh Straight, and he talks about Britain putting pressure on
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Speaker 1: Ukraine to relax its policy that no fighting edge man
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Speaker 1: should leave the country so that some could be brought
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Speaker 1: to Britain for training, and they were trained at variety
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Speaker 1: of sites, mostly in Scotland, and then beginning in October
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, these poorly trained and ill equipped Ukrainian
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Speaker 1: marines began to be varied en mass, as Clarberg says
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Speaker 1: to Krink, and they were lamps the slaughter. So you know,
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Speaker 1: it is disgusting. It is our tax dollars that has
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Speaker 1: gone into this, and that needs to change.
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Speaker 2: It is It's very sad. You know when the trainers
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Speaker 2: in the British military, I wonder if they think about
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Speaker 2: where they're dispatching these young Ukrainian men back to, what
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Speaker 2: sort of environment to fight in, and do they really
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Speaker 2: care or is it just a case of hey, my
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Speaker 2: orders are I need to teach these guys how to
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Speaker 2: kill Russians. That's the end of that. This is not
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Speaker 2: good for Ukraine and in the long run, I think
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Speaker 2: they'll resent some of these NATO countries for this sworid
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Speaker 2: chapter in European history.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you've got more in Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Then well yes, and we'll start off with the commander
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Speaker 2: in chief in the United States. Here he is, and
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Speaker 2: he has been tweeting up a storm on truth social
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Speaker 2: This is a truth, a truth. I think they call
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Speaker 2: them truths. Now calls them truths, not tweets. He says,
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Speaker 2: I'm happy with I'm happy with Russia's I'm not happy
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Speaker 2: with Russia's strikes on Kiev. Not necessary and very bad timing.
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Speaker 2: Vladimir stopped five thousand soldiers a week, are dying. Let's
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Speaker 2: get the peace deal done. I mean, this is such
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Speaker 2: an embarrassment to have the president tweeting out stuff like this.
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Speaker 2: It's really it humiliates the country. It's not good for him,
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Speaker 2: and he's sabotaging his own peace negotiations. Plus, Chinese are
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Speaker 2: looking at this, Moscow's looking at this. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: the Iranians are also looking at this, and let me
17:03
Speaker 2: tell you they're not impressed. Forget about the Europeans. That's
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Speaker 2: a different story here. But on the point you were saying, Mike,
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Speaker 2: while there's all this hawkish talk coming from Europe from
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Speaker 2: Britain about the Coalition of the Willing, this is the
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Speaker 2: reality here we are the UK, this is in the times,
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Speaker 2: this is just yesterday, in fact, the UK could scrap
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Speaker 2: plans to send thousands of troops to Ukraine. British sources
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Speaker 2: said that was deemed too risky, too risky to send
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Speaker 2: ground forces because the risk of a wider conflict of
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Speaker 2: the ceasefire deal with Russia breaks down. And it looks
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Speaker 2: like it is. And so let's look at this for
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Speaker 2: a moment. Here there they are, Mike, that is the
17:43
Speaker 2: Coalition of the Willing. It's great that they borrowed that
17:46
Speaker 2: title because it certainly doesn't have any bad connotations from
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Speaker 2: the past. There it is, but unfortunately it's disintegrating. And
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Speaker 2: as every day and every week goes by, they put
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Speaker 2: on a big brave front, didn't they remember last month?
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Speaker 2: Real tough talk, especially from Mehdi, Frederickson and the euro
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Speaker 2: coven There there's a few members. I won't put Georgia
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Speaker 2: Maloney in that category because she seems to be a
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Speaker 2: lot more reasonable, but Ursula certainly is lurking in the background,
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Speaker 2: whispering into Cure Starmer and Macron's shoulder here. But as
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Speaker 2: they disintegrate, and there they are, that is effectively this
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Speaker 2: is the new Coalition of the Willing. You're looking at
18:22
Speaker 2: it right there, three the three of them. That's it.
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Speaker 2: But this is what The Times also reported. Sir Cure
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Speaker 2: Starmer and President Macron have offered to deploy troops to
18:31
Speaker 2: Ukraine to to keep the peace as part of the
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Speaker 2: Coalition of the Willing. During talks in London. Sources told
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Speaker 2: The Times there appeared to be a softening of the commitment.
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Speaker 2: So the rowing back is beginning. Isn't that interesting? Because
18:47
Speaker 2: who if they got the sand? Well, this is another thing.
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Speaker 2: You know, what sort of battalions can Britain or Plants
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Speaker 2: really deploy and where would they send them? And they
18:55
Speaker 2: would actually be definitely legitimate targets. And again that's the
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Speaker 2: reminder here has warned that it will consider such a
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Speaker 2: true presence as a NATO deployment underline that point, please,
19:06
Speaker 2: and under the guise of peacekeeping or otherwise, it will
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Speaker 2: treat it as a quote valid military target. So that's
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Speaker 2: not us saying that, that's what the Russian Federation's saying.
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Speaker 2: So it's it will be who of you to listen
19:19
Speaker 2: to what they're saying, especially if you're sending your boys
19:22
Speaker 2: into a hostile environment where maybe diplomacy might be a
19:27
Speaker 2: better option. That's just me arm old fashion. I believe
19:31
Speaker 2: in diplomacy. But meanwhile the propaganda rolls on and talk
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Speaker 2: about Orwellian. Look at this, the Telegraph is spending its
19:38
Speaker 2: money wisely buying up ad space in the UK. Mike hear,
19:41
Speaker 2: and this is what they're saying. There's a bit of
19:43
Speaker 2: fear mongering here. Ever heard of riga talent or Villius?
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Speaker 2: If we abandon Kiev, you will says the Telegraph.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's set sheer propaganda. That's not journalism. What are
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Speaker 1: they playing on?
19:56
Speaker 2: This is Orwellian? But this is like more, this is
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Speaker 2: beyond or William Mike, this is starship troopers level propaganda here,
20:05
Speaker 2: unbelievable from the Telegraph. So they, you know, what their stances.
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Speaker 2: They want to see this war go. It's been good
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Speaker 2: for their business, I guess. But let's look at why
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Speaker 2: is this rowing back happening, Mike, Why maybe has something
20:18
Speaker 2: to do with this. Ukraine fails to reach a deal
20:21
Speaker 2: with quote investors. I'm going to say receivers, but we'll
20:24
Speaker 2: say investors to restructure two point six billion of debt.
20:29
Speaker 2: Kiev is due to make an estimated six hundred million
20:32
Speaker 2: payment on GDP warrants next month. So financing the debt
20:37
Speaker 2: interest payments are due. This is the big question though here, Mike,
20:41
Speaker 2: who is going to pick up the dinner bill? Do
20:45
Speaker 2: you see anybody lining up wanting to pay for this?
20:49
Speaker 2: Or is this going to have to be bundled into
20:51
Speaker 2: some sort of new debt package. So that's the the
20:55
Speaker 2: operative question, ladies and gentlemen's who's going to pick up
20:58
Speaker 2: the dinner bill? And I can tell you right now
21:00
Speaker 2: it's definitely not going to be these guys. German authorities
21:04
Speaker 2: slash economic growth forecast for twenty twenty five to a
21:08
Speaker 2: whopping zero percent. That is the supposed industrial powerhouse, the
21:13
Speaker 2: engine of the EU, the thing that makes the ECB
21:17
Speaker 2: run Germany. Zero percent growth for the first time in
21:20
Speaker 2: modern history. German's economy is set to stagnate and for
21:24
Speaker 2: three consecutive years, a scenario unseen even during World War Two.
21:29
Speaker 2: The humiliation of self hating Germany continues even within the EU.
21:35
Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz has also announced plans to cut jobs in
21:38
Speaker 2: Germany and relocate them to Hungary. So Orban is laughing
21:41
Speaker 2: all the way to the election polls next election. So
21:46
Speaker 2: look at this. Hungary, by the way, did not reject
21:49
Speaker 2: Russian fuel making production therefore more cost effective. That's Matt's
21:53
Speaker 2: Nilsen from Sweden, great geopolitical analyst. So nobody is really
21:58
Speaker 2: gagging to take up the lack on Ukraine. Here, keep
22:01
Speaker 2: back to kit Klarenberg, Mike, So high level Ukraine peace
22:05
Speaker 2: talks in London scratched after the US pull out. So
22:09
Speaker 2: the US is threatening to pull out, and so what happened?
22:11
Speaker 2: They canceled it? Where is this coalition of the willing?
22:14
Speaker 2: Where are they? Are they anywhere without the United States?
22:18
Speaker 2: Are they really willing to go toe to toe with Russia?
22:20
Speaker 2: Or has this all been a big front? That's the question.
22:24
Speaker 2: But the cracks don't stop there, Mike, look at this,
22:28
Speaker 2: It gets worse. Donald Trump's move on the Russia occupied
22:32
Speaker 2: Crimea forces Europe to choose sides. The US has offered
22:36
Speaker 2: to recognize the annexation of Crimea, Wow, and this has
22:40
Speaker 2: created huge problems. A senior European diplomat told The Financial
22:44
Speaker 2: Times that it would be quote impossible to accept the
22:46
Speaker 2: US proposal to recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea. Other EO
22:51
Speaker 2: officials claim that Crimea and future NATO membership aspirations are
22:56
Speaker 2: red lines for US, that's a non starter. So where
23:00
Speaker 2: can you go from here? This is basically status quo.
23:03
Speaker 2: We're reverting to status quo. The proxy war continues, but
23:07
Speaker 2: without the United States. How much mileage does Europe actually
23:11
Speaker 2: have in this This is the legit question NATO membership.
23:14
Speaker 2: I highly doubt it. Now. NBC sent a reporter to Crimea.
23:19
Speaker 2: This is fairly recent. Watch this clip. These are people
23:22
Speaker 2: in in Crimea. You went around and did vox pops
23:25
Speaker 2: and this was the answer.
23:29
Speaker 3: Is Crimea Russian or Ukrainian?
23:33
Speaker 2: Is Russian?
23:34
Speaker 3: Of course Russian? Seventy three year old prax Soviet tells
23:37
Speaker 3: me Zelensky will not get Crimea back because we have
23:40
Speaker 3: our commander.
23:41
Speaker 2: In chief put come put.
23:44
Speaker 3: Every one of them told us that they are Russian
23:48
Speaker 3: and that if President Zelenski thinks Ukrainian forces can come here,
23:52
Speaker 3: they will fight them. President Zelenski has said that the
23:56
Speaker 3: Ukraine War started here and it will end here, but
24:00
Speaker 3: no one was able to tell us how it will
24:02
Speaker 3: end and how much more blood will be spilt.
24:07
Speaker 2: And we're told that NBC reporter got put on a
24:09
Speaker 2: Ukraine hit list after he issued this report, which broadcast
24:14
Speaker 2: on US TV. So that's not going to help US
24:16
Speaker 2: support for Ukraine either. It's probably a USAID funded hit list,
24:20
Speaker 2: by the way, But Mike, the recognition of CRIMEA is
24:23
Speaker 2: really important because that's what sanctions are tied to. A
24:26
Speaker 2: lot of US and EU sanctions are tied to CRIMEA.
24:30
Speaker 2: And if the US recognizes CRIMEA as part of Russia,
24:33
Speaker 2: that's going to nullify a lot of US sanctions. But
24:36
Speaker 2: it's also going to put pressure on Europe to reevaluate.
24:39
Speaker 2: Are they going to go against the United States on
24:41
Speaker 2: the recognition of CRIMEA. I mean, this could be a
24:44
Speaker 2: massive international problem in terms of international relations here, but
24:49
Speaker 2: it doesn't end there, and we'll continue here. Sorry, we've
24:54
Speaker 2: jumped ahead. The ICC International Criminal Court arrest warrant is
25:00
Speaker 2: valid in Italy. There was a filing error, it turns out,
25:03
Speaker 2: so as it stands right now, Vladimir Putin could go
25:05
Speaker 2: to Italy and not be arrested under this ICC case.
25:09
Speaker 2: And by the way, back to the gray zone on
25:12
Speaker 2: that ICC case here. This is a fantastic piece of
25:15
Speaker 2: journalism that a lot of people missed. This was in
25:18
Speaker 2: March thirty first, twenty twenty three. The ICC's Putin arrest
25:21
Speaker 2: warrant is based on a State Department funded document that
25:26
Speaker 2: has been totally debunked. They issued this arrest warrant against
25:29
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin and his Commissioner for Children's Rights, Maria Alova Belova,
25:35
Speaker 2: accusing them of quote unlawful deportation of thousands of Ukrainian
25:39
Speaker 2: children to a network of camps inside Russia. It turns
25:42
Speaker 2: out the warrant the case that the ICs was based
25:45
Speaker 2: on a shoddy report by Nathaniel Raymond at the Yale
25:49
Speaker 2: University Human Rights Center and is funded by the US
25:54
Speaker 2: State Department, a completely bogus report. I have looked into
25:58
Speaker 2: this myself, and it's pretty shocking how bad it is.
26:02
Speaker 2: Yale based all of their research on satellite data, telegram postings,
26:07
Speaker 2: and Russian media reports, relying on Google Translate to interpret them,
26:13
Speaker 2: and they say they admit their work does not conduct
26:16
Speaker 2: any ground level investigation and therefore did not request access
26:21
Speaker 2: to any of these quote camps. Jeremy Lifredo, the journalists
26:24
Speaker 2: who did this with Max Blomenthal, turns out these were
26:27
Speaker 2: places where families would send their kids to get them
26:30
Speaker 2: out of the war zone, and of course in the
26:32
Speaker 2: Dombas regions there'll be more Russian residents Russian speaking. So
26:37
Speaker 2: this is the basis of the ICC case. Mike, I mean,
26:41
Speaker 2: make up your own mind. I encourage people to go
26:43
Speaker 2: to the Gray Zone and look at the reports for yourself.
26:46
Speaker 1: And then links will be in the show notes. Mark,
26:49
Speaker 1: let me welcome you to the program then, and well,
26:52
Speaker 1: sticking with the United States for a little while, what's
26:55
Speaker 1: the nettest on the tariffs?
27:00
Speaker 4: Well, actually, gentlemen, I've been looking a little bit beyond
27:03
Speaker 4: tariffs in a way. There's been so much on that,
27:06
Speaker 4: and I had listened to recent testimony of the US
27:09
Speaker 4: Trade Representative of the House of w House Ways and
27:12
Speaker 4: Means Committee, you might recall, and I looked at what
27:15
Speaker 4: the USTR is up to in the broader sense, and
27:18
Speaker 4: this stuck out. The USTR Section three oh one action
27:21
Speaker 4: on China's targeting of the maritime logistics and shipbuilding sectors
27:26
Speaker 4: for dominance, alleging Chinese dominance in these areas, and there
27:30
Speaker 4: is some.
27:30
Speaker 5: Truth to that.
27:32
Speaker 4: Seventeen April Washington, the US Trade Representative took targeted actions
27:36
Speaker 4: to restore American shipbuilding and address China's what they're calling
27:40
Speaker 4: unreasonable policies and practices to dominate maritime logistics shipbuilding, et cetera.
27:46
Speaker 5: Emphasis here.
27:47
Speaker 4: These responsive actions come after what's being described as a
27:51
Speaker 4: year long Section three oh one investigation, which included the
27:55
Speaker 4: US Trade Rep convening a two day public hearing and
27:58
Speaker 4: receiving they say, nearly six hundred public comments, and we'll
28:02
Speaker 4: move on from there. I wrote a news brief here.
28:05
Speaker 4: I'm just going to cite this a little bit. The
28:07
Speaker 4: topic of tariffs has dominated trade in financial news in
28:10
Speaker 4: recent weeks, but trade officials are claiming in the US
28:13
Speaker 4: that while they're sustaining their efforts via applicable tariffs toward
28:17
Speaker 4: achieving what they call fair and balanced trade goals and
28:20
Speaker 4: more industrial self sufficiency, China's maritime policies, particularly shipbuilding, are
28:26
Speaker 4: prompting these Section three oh one actions under the Trade
28:30
Speaker 4: Act of nineteen seventy four. So this is based on
28:33
Speaker 4: a fifty plus year old law, and that laws design
28:38
Speaker 4: is designed to address unfair foreign practices that quote, burden
28:42
Speaker 4: or restrict US commerce, and provides a domestic procedure through
28:46
Speaker 4: which interested persons, even members of the public, can write
28:50
Speaker 4: in on this and petition the US Trade Rep to
28:53
Speaker 4: investigate foreign government action and take appropriate action to counter
28:57
Speaker 4: that and to PRESUS seed. From there, we have a
29:02
Speaker 4: quote from Jamison Greer. The US Trade rep Ships and shipping,
29:06
Speaker 4: he says, are vital to American economic security and the
29:09
Speaker 4: free flow of commerce. The Trump administration will begin to
29:13
Speaker 4: reverse Chinese dominance, he says, address threats to the US
29:17
Speaker 4: supply chain, and send a demand.
29:19
Speaker 5: Signal for US built ships.
29:24
Speaker 4: And there's of course a lot of talk about helping
29:28
Speaker 4: US workers in this the working class other things. It
29:31
Speaker 4: describes SERIOUCE Section three oh one enforcement actions. For the
29:35
Speaker 4: first one hundred and eighty days, for example, any applicable
29:38
Speaker 4: fees will be set at zero. Then in the first phase,
29:41
Speaker 4: these are these penalties against China. After one hundred and
29:45
Speaker 4: eighty days, fees on vessel owners and operators out of
29:48
Speaker 4: China will be charged based on net connage per US voyage.
29:53
Speaker 5: Such fees will increase incrementally.
29:56
Speaker 4: Then the building of US car carrier vessels will be
29:59
Speaker 4: in incentivized, along with charging fees on similar foreign built
30:03
Speaker 4: vessels based on their capacity. And there's a second phase.
30:07
Speaker 4: There'll be a three year wait on this intended to
30:09
Speaker 4: incentivize US built liquefied natural gas vessels interesting along with
30:15
Speaker 4: enacting limited restrictions on transporting American liquefied national gas via
30:20
Speaker 4: foreign vessels. But these restrictions will increase incrementally, get this
30:25
Speaker 4: over twenty two years, so they're looking.
30:28
Speaker 5: Long range on this.
30:29
Speaker 4: All of that is under the rubric of restoring America's
30:32
Speaker 4: maritime dominance. That's a presidential action that was launched April ninth,
30:38
Speaker 4: and then there's sort of an associated thing going on
30:40
Speaker 4: that was released more recently, another presidential action. And there
30:44
Speaker 4: are so many presidential actions, I'm really working hard to
30:48
Speaker 4: keep up on even the most important ones. Unleashing America's
30:51
Speaker 4: offshore critical minerals and resources. This is another initiative that's
30:56
Speaker 4: related more US effort to mine thisbeds and be more
31:01
Speaker 4: independent in terms of rare minerals and things that are
31:04
Speaker 4: considered strategic.
31:07
Speaker 5: At any rate, at any rate.
31:09
Speaker 4: The presidential declaration mentions this that recent data show the
31:14
Speaker 4: US constructs less than one percent of commercial ships worldwide
31:18
Speaker 4: while China produces approximately half. And rectifying these issues, the
31:23
Speaker 4: President says, and the USTR will include securing consistent, predictable,
31:27
Speaker 4: and durable federal funding, making US flagged and US built
31:31
Speaker 4: ships commercially competitive, and international commerce rebuilding America's maritime manufacturing
31:37
Speaker 4: capabilities and expanding and strengthening the relevant workforce. That would
31:42
Speaker 4: be the workforce to build the ships, and probably also
31:45
Speaker 4: the longshoremen who have often complained of getting a raw
31:49
Speaker 4: deal in the US. But I talked to some different
31:54
Speaker 4: people about different aspects of this, and I thought to myself, well,
31:57
Speaker 4: what about the monetary system? How does that relate to
32:00
Speaker 4: trade and tariffs and anything to do with what I'm
32:04
Speaker 4: talking about today? And I asked the question here based
32:08
Speaker 4: on a little bit based on an article I wrote
32:10
Speaker 4: recently for UK column called Guernsey, the tiny island that
32:15
Speaker 4: beat the big bankers for twenty years of monetary freedom.
32:17
Speaker 4: Now that was a couple hundred years ago, but Guernsey
32:20
Speaker 4: showed that you can extricate yourself from the banksters if
32:25
Speaker 4: you work at it. Of course, it would be a
32:26
Speaker 4: lot harder today than back then.
32:28
Speaker 5: Maybe.
32:29
Speaker 4: But I asked the question, will the monetary system be
32:33
Speaker 4: an impediment to these changes that the Trump administration wants
32:36
Speaker 4: to make in terms of tariffs and related matters. And
32:39
Speaker 4: I talked to Oliver Haydor, a noted monetary reform expert.
32:43
Speaker 4: He's quoted in that Guernsey story that I have posted
32:46
Speaker 4: at UKC and he said this, among other things, the
32:49
Speaker 4: rebalancing of trade may sound good, but it's being done
32:52
Speaker 4: on the basis of the existing defective financial monetary system
32:57
Speaker 4: controlled by the neoliberal elite. One additional quote also very interesting,
33:04
Speaker 4: and he said, if each nation's financial system is not sovereign,
33:09
Speaker 4: and such systems are left to the international elite, then
33:12
Speaker 4: you'll have to adopt trade and other related policies to
33:16
Speaker 4: keep the elite happy. Neoliberalism probably made economic nationalism at
33:22
Speaker 4: least seemingly irretrievable, and on purpose, mister Haydorn had to say. Now,
33:29
Speaker 4: there was also talk a few weeks ago on UKC
33:31
Speaker 4: about is there a plan amongst all this seeming chaos
33:36
Speaker 4: by the Trump administration? Is there a method to the madness.
33:39
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say there is real firmly or
33:42
Speaker 4: that there isn't. I looked around a lot. I made
33:44
Speaker 4: some calls. This Money and Macro site is pretty objective.
33:49
Speaker 4: He's not totally sold on what Trump is doing. He's
33:53
Speaker 4: trying to look at it as unbiasedly as he can.
33:55
Speaker 4: The host of this we have a video clip called
33:58
Speaker 4: he actually has a plan and it has to do
34:01
Speaker 4: with the MAGA master plan to replace the neoliberal order
34:05
Speaker 4: and things like that.
34:06
Speaker 5: So let's watch a little bit of this.
34:08
Speaker 4: It gives you some idea of what could be a plan,
34:11
Speaker 4: but the jury still out, maybe in some respects.
34:15
Speaker 1: I always say tariffs is the most beautiful word to
34:17
Speaker 1: me in the dictionary.
34:19
Speaker 6: And tiff and this is the direct attack Donald Trump,
34:24
Speaker 6: who changes his mind between you know, breakfast elevens is
34:28
Speaker 6: lunch and supper time?
34:30
Speaker 7: What the heck is going on? Why is Trump hitting
34:33
Speaker 7: his closest allies with tariffs? Why does he no longer
34:36
Speaker 7: care about crashing the stock market? Does this guy actually
34:39
Speaker 7: have a plan?
34:41
Speaker 2: Yes? Believe it or not, I'm here to tell you that. Yes.
34:44
Speaker 7: As Trump's new Treasury Secretary, Scots Beasant recently put.
34:47
Speaker 8: It, President Trump's tariff policies had begun the process of reoriented,
34:53
Speaker 8: reorienting our international economic relations.
34:56
Speaker 7: That's right, he says, tariffs have begun the process. In
35:00
Speaker 7: other words, his tariff chaos is just the start of
35:03
Speaker 7: a much bigger plan, a plan that aims to uphend
35:07
Speaker 7: the entire world trading system that the US itself created.
35:11
Speaker 7: This has really only happened twice before, once in nineteen
35:14
Speaker 7: forty four, marking the start of the Breadwood system, and
35:17
Speaker 7: then in the early eighties with Reagan and Thatcher marking
35:19
Speaker 7: the beginnings of the neoliberal world order. So here we
35:23
Speaker 7: are today, twenty twenty five. Is this the start of
35:26
Speaker 7: a completely new global order, a new US centered order
35:30
Speaker 7: that will emerge right after the current chaos in which
35:33
Speaker 7: countries are divided in three groups, or as Scott Bassett
35:37
Speaker 7: calls it.
35:38
Speaker 8: I think we should make it very clear that there
35:41
Speaker 8: is a green, a yellow, and a red bucket, and
35:43
Speaker 8: we let everyone know where they are.
35:46
Speaker 7: In these buckets. It will become very clear that some
35:48
Speaker 7: countries get low tariffs, military protection, and maybe even some
35:52
Speaker 7: preferred US dollar access, while others are left to fend
35:56
Speaker 7: for themselves.
36:01
Speaker 1: So there you have it.
36:02
Speaker 4: People can make up their own mind. We can provide
36:04
Speaker 4: the link to that rather long video. The whole thing
36:07
Speaker 4: is rather long. In the show notes. Again, it makes
36:10
Speaker 4: a decent case, but even the narrator in the end
36:14
Speaker 4: concedes that it's not altogether clear if that's exactly how
36:18
Speaker 4: things are going. But it is one plausible thesis behind it,
36:21
Speaker 4: and I had one other slide in there. We can
36:24
Speaker 4: put also another link to the show notes the roots
36:27
Speaker 4: of modern free trade. This is just a historical note.
36:30
Speaker 4: A lot of the current trade regime and the current
36:33
Speaker 4: trade practices started in nineteen sixty two under JFK under
36:37
Speaker 4: the Trade Expansion Act, and that's just a quick historical footnote.
36:41
Speaker 4: People can look that up to get an idea of
36:43
Speaker 4: where this all came from in the modern sense. So
36:45
Speaker 4: back to you guys, Thank you, Mark, thank you.
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38:14
Speaker 1: disinformation and the censorship regime, because that has been celebrated
38:19
Speaker 1: this week at the Cambridge at Cambridge University with the
38:23
Speaker 1: Cambridge Disinformation Summit, which they say is quote designed to
38:28
Speaker 1: convene global thought leaders to discuss research regarding the efficacy
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Speaker 1: of potential interventions to mitigate the harms of disinformation. So
38:35
Speaker 1: try not to laugh. The summit had three core themes,
38:40
Speaker 1: new research on the harm disinformation causes, High legislators can
38:45
Speaker 1: regulate disinformation, and high information scientists and policymakers can improve
38:50
Speaker 1: threat awareness and resilience in today's geopolitical environment. These are
38:55
Speaker 1: their words, of course, but also on the agenda where
38:58
Speaker 1: HW cryptocurrencies support exploited of actors, talks about disinformation as
39:03
Speaker 1: an instrument as an instrument for authoritarianism sorry, and quotes
39:08
Speaker 1: personal experience from within a conspiracy community. Now, the only
39:12
Speaker 1: person I know who is talking about personal experience from
39:16
Speaker 1: within a conspiracy conspiratorial community is someone that people may
39:21
Speaker 1: be familiar with works for the BBC. But anyway, we'll
39:23
Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk about that in a second. Quite a
39:26
Speaker 1: number of the sessions were held under Chatham House rules. Okay,
39:30
Speaker 1: so we will never find out exactly what was discussed there.
39:33
Speaker 1: But let's look at this disinformation client show. If we
39:37
Speaker 1: just put this back on screen here and here is
39:40
Speaker 1: the circus Disinfos circus.
39:43
Speaker 2: You've heard of Zippo's circus mike that rolls into your
39:45
Speaker 2: local town or village, but this is Disinfos circus. Ex
39:50
Speaker 2: Here come the experts here come the experts.
39:52
Speaker 1: Here they are, they will come here there, there they are.
39:55
Speaker 1: And look who's in the top right hand corner there.
39:58
Speaker 2: Well that's Marianna Spring, isn't it, And flanked by Nina
40:01
Speaker 2: Jenkovitz in the middle Elliott Higgins. And I forgot this
40:05
Speaker 2: chap from.
40:06
Speaker 1: Well, let's just trust and so we have Elliott Higgins,
40:10
Speaker 1: the CEO of Bellancot. Bellancots doesn't seem to be doing
40:13
Speaker 1: very much these days, but anyway.
40:14
Speaker 2: I like the beard. He makes them look a lot
40:16
Speaker 2: more serious, okay, and a lot actually more masculine.
40:20
Speaker 1: Okay, whatever you say, Marianna Spring. Of course, there's a
40:23
Speaker 1: disinformation and social media correspondent at the BBC. You're roth,
40:28
Speaker 1: that's the one vice president of trust and safety at
40:30
Speaker 1: Notch Group. But what was he prid of that?
40:33
Speaker 2: He worked under Jack Dorsey at the diabolical train wreck
40:37
Speaker 2: that was Twitter, And when the Twitter files came out
40:41
Speaker 2: and Elon bought the company, you all fled unfortunately running
40:45
Speaker 2: an absolute censorship farm. There really really dark dark moment
40:51
Speaker 2: in American tech speech history.
40:55
Speaker 1: Yes, Nina jackovitc, as you say, CEO of the American
40:58
Speaker 1: Sunlight Project.
40:59
Speaker 2: That is worked on the Zelenski campaign.
41:01
Speaker 1: Absolutely and former Executive directory for the Disinformation Governments Board
41:06
Speaker 1: at the US Department for Homeland Security for what about
41:09
Speaker 1: two weeks, she was even rivaling Liz Trust for being
41:14
Speaker 1: in position.
41:15
Speaker 2: She the Lettuce, the Rotten Lettuce head of letters. She
41:18
Speaker 2: actually got done by her own TikTok videos right, which
41:22
Speaker 2: was interesting.
41:22
Speaker 1: And Alexander Vinland.
41:25
Speaker 2: That's Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vinman to you, Mike, there is
41:29
Speaker 2: mister Russia Gate himself. Okay, So these are all like
41:33
Speaker 2: kind of Ukraine linked Propaganda's quite a few of them.
41:37
Speaker 1: So their conference is organized by Alan Jagolinzer, a professor
41:41
Speaker 1: of financial accounting at Cambridge Judge Business School, and he
41:45
Speaker 1: said this disinformation research has been effectively defunded by the
41:48
Speaker 1: United States and now has to be conducted part time
41:52
Speaker 1: at underground. This is one reason why our work is
41:56
Speaker 1: so important, and we've adopted a tagline that we the
42:00
Speaker 1: Global Summit community, are keeping the pilot light lit for
42:04
Speaker 1: evidence based learning and inference, whatever that means.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: He claims that this information drives geopolitical shifts and undermines
42:13
Speaker 1: democratic institutional stability, increasing the risks of terrorism and increasing
42:18
Speaker 1: the ability to marginalize targeted communities, supporting forced human migration,
42:24
Speaker 1: and increasing the likelihood of violent and global conflict. So
42:28
Speaker 1: there you go.
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Speaker 2: Can I translate very quickly when you just said, I'll
42:31
Speaker 2: put this in English, Mike, He's talking about threats to
42:34
Speaker 2: the narrative, and he's talking about resilience against threats to
42:38
Speaker 2: the narrative, resilience against the truth, resilience against facts. This
42:42
Speaker 2: is complete or inverted or welly in news speak here
42:46
Speaker 2: right well.
42:47
Speaker 1: In the meantime, Offcom has ruled out the next set
42:50
Speaker 1: of rules for its censorship regime, following the illegal online
42:53
Speaker 1: harms for it work a couple of weeks ago, which
42:55
Speaker 1: saw the shutout of many small forums online. The litus
42:59
Speaker 1: codes of practice claim to protect children and designing them.
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Speaker 1: Offcom says that it has heard from over twenty seven
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Speaker 1: thousand children and thirteen thousand parents, alongside a consultation involving industry,
43:12
Speaker 1: civil society, charities and child safety experts, and they say
43:17
Speaker 1: that they're demanding a safety first approach to high tech
43:20
Speaker 1: firms design and operate their services in the UK, including
43:23
Speaker 1: safer feeds, safer data feeds, safer sorry, effective age checks,
43:30
Speaker 1: fast action to review, assess and tackle harmful content, undefined,
43:35
Speaker 1: more choice and support for children, and easier reporting of complaints,
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Speaker 1: strong governance and so on. And if companies fail to
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Speaker 1: comply with their new duties ofcom has the party in
43:45
Speaker 1: post fines and in serious cases they say apply for
43:49
Speaker 1: a court order to prevent the site wrapp from being
43:52
Speaker 1: available in the UK. And of course that latter sanction
43:57
Speaker 1: demonstrates the dangers inherent in, you know, having a lack
44:00
Speaker 1: of diversity and competition for opp stores on Android and
44:04
Speaker 1: Apple platforms, where you've only got one op store effectively
44:06
Speaker 1: on each of those, it's very easy to create a
44:09
Speaker 1: sort of great firewall with respect to some of these apps.
44:12
Speaker 1: And of course strong age checks means identity checking and
44:16
Speaker 1: so on, most likely digitally and so on. So which
44:20
Speaker 1: brings me back to you Mark. And of course on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday we were talking about real ID in the United States.
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Speaker 1: You've got some more on that.
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Speaker 4: Well, it might be the official announcement here, Mike. That's
44:34
Speaker 4: the most important thing. What we're showing here is the
44:37
Speaker 4: Transportation Security Administration. Of course, it's one of the major
44:42
Speaker 4: agencies created in the wake of nine to eleven. The
44:45
Speaker 4: DHS itself was another one, and most of those other
44:50
Speaker 4: entities are under that. And of course we had the
44:52
Speaker 4: Patriot Act back then, and a number of unpleasant memories
44:56
Speaker 4: in the wake of nine to eleven, and we thought
44:58
Speaker 4: that this dragon had and slain. I remember working on
45:01
Speaker 4: it in six seven and writing about it. But I'll
45:05
Speaker 4: cite this TSA announcement because this is the most important
45:08
Speaker 4: part of my presentation today. Starting the seventh of May,
45:12
Speaker 4: it's right around the corner, a state issued driver's license
45:15
Speaker 4: or ID that's not real ID compliant in the US
45:19
Speaker 4: will no longer be accepted as valid ID at airports
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Speaker 4: and certain federal buildings. Passengers traveling after this enforcement deadline
45:27
Speaker 4: should either travel with an acceptable ID like a passport,
45:31
Speaker 4: or enroll for a state issued real ID. Passengers that
45:36
Speaker 4: lack these things or some other acceptable form can expect delays,
45:40
Speaker 4: additional harassment, screening, possibly not being allowed into security checkpoints.
45:45
Speaker 4: And this even includes get this, the pre check passengers
45:49
Speaker 4: of TSA, people that fly frequently, whose backgrounds are well known,
45:54
Speaker 4: and they're usually given the express entry to get on
46:00
Speaker 4: the plane so they don't have to wait as much.
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Speaker 4: Even they're going to be bogged down if they don't
46:04
Speaker 4: have the right papers in order, and so on and
46:08
Speaker 4: so forth. So if your identity can't be confirmed, you
46:11
Speaker 4: can't enter the checkpoint and you may be subject to
46:14
Speaker 4: even more screening. So this is something that we thought
46:18
Speaker 4: was going to die on the vine, and it didn't.
46:21
Speaker 4: But anyway, Chuck Baldwin, the noted Christian pastor, activist and columnist,
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Speaker 4: he's notorious for keeping a close eye on these things.
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Speaker 5: He said this.
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Speaker 4: The real reason real ID hadn't gone into effect after
46:34
Speaker 4: the GOP Congress moronically passed this super surveillance atrocity until
46:39
Speaker 4: now is because conservatives and libertarians rose up en mass
46:43
Speaker 4: in opposition to it, forcing George W. Bush to back down.
46:48
Speaker 4: And since then, neither Obama nor Biden wanted to awaken
46:52
Speaker 4: the American people the sleeping giant on this issue. And
46:56
Speaker 4: Chuck Baldwin, a constitutional Christian conservative, is quite critical of
47:00
Speaker 4: Donald Trump in many areas, and especially in this area.
47:03
Speaker 5: Even Fox News, according.
47:05
Speaker 4: To Baldwin, has got kind of a furl brow on this,
47:10
Speaker 4: thinking that the Donald wouldn't let this through. Fox News
47:13
Speaker 4: noted conservatives are speaking out against the Trump administration's plans
47:18
Speaker 4: to finally enact the long shelved real ID laws in
47:22
Speaker 4: a quote to crack down and illegal immigration.
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Speaker 5: This is one of the reported reasons for this.
47:28
Speaker 4: There's also been talked that maybe this has something to
47:30
Speaker 4: do with identity at the voting polls, neither of which
47:34
Speaker 4: are really relevant. It's not altogether clear why they're letting
47:37
Speaker 4: this become law. But Thomas Massey, the retrograde backbenure in Congress,
47:45
Speaker 4: he makes a number of important counter arguments in Congress.
47:51
Speaker 4: He said this, if you think real ideas about election integrity,
47:54
Speaker 4: you're going to be sorely disappointed. Someone has lied to
47:57
Speaker 4: you and you're engaged in wishful thinking.
47:59
Speaker 5: Please don't. It's a messenger.
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Speaker 4: And Sarah Palin, too long thought to be a Trump supporter,
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Speaker 4: is scratching her head, saying, evidently existing ID requirements for
48:11
Speaker 4: American citizens just aren't adequate now, so big brothers forcing
48:15
Speaker 4: us through more hoops for the right to travel within
48:17
Speaker 4: our own country. And Palin continued, other administrations delayed this
48:22
Speaker 4: new fangled birds some real ID requirement. Are you curious
48:26
Speaker 4: why this implementation is so imperative now? And the stems
48:31
Speaker 4: from nine to eleven, which I'll be talking about later today.
48:34
Speaker 4: I presume but at any rate, it's a troubling development
48:37
Speaker 4: after twenty plus years to see this thing not only
48:40
Speaker 4: survive but is apparently going to be passed.
48:42
Speaker 5: So back to you guys, Thank you, Mark.
48:44
Speaker 2: Thanks.
48:45
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that an extra no doubt we'll be
48:48
Speaker 1: talking quite a number of things next to today. But Patrick,
48:51
Speaker 1: let's move back to international affairs in Syria.
48:54
Speaker 2: Well, disturbing news, but big news nonetheless, Let's have a
48:58
Speaker 2: look at this up on screen if we can. The
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Speaker 2: UK lifts sanctions on Syrian ministries and intelligence agencies. There
49:07
Speaker 2: is Mohammed al Jalani aka Ahmed al Sharar, the Saudi
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Speaker 2: born self proclaimed president quote unquote of Syria, and so
49:17
Speaker 2: basically the president there has urged Western countries to relieve
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Speaker 2: his country of sanctions and allow it to rebuild after
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Speaker 2: fourteen years of war or that he himself is responsible
49:27
Speaker 2: for fomenting. So the UK is taking this bold step here.
49:31
Speaker 2: What has brought this on? But not to be outdone,
49:34
Speaker 2: and this is Corey Mills, part of Trump's inner circle.
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Speaker 2: He's been meeting with the al Qaeda and former ISIS
49:42
Speaker 2: deputy who is head of the military junta in Damascus,
49:46
Speaker 2: a terrorist on the FBI. I think a bounty on
49:49
Speaker 2: the FBI is most wonderless if I'm not mistaken there,
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Speaker 2: He's spoken with them and they're open to the Abraham
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Speaker 2: Accords normalization with the State of Israel. That's really what
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Speaker 2: this is all about. This is why there was sanctions
50:01
Speaker 2: before on Syria. And so let's look at this. And
50:05
Speaker 2: to top this off, Al Jilani has obeyed US Israeli orders
50:10
Speaker 2: and arrested Palestinian Islamic Jihad officials PIJ officials. So this
50:15
Speaker 2: is a major step here. So this is clearly at
50:19
Speaker 2: the behest of Israel and the US. This was a
50:22
Speaker 2: precondition if you note that was last week, So this
50:25
Speaker 2: was a precondition for this next step. So I think
50:27
Speaker 2: this is also part of where Britain's evaluation of their
50:31
Speaker 2: status is as well. Here And according to a former
50:35
Speaker 2: British diplomat, Craig Murray, the terrorist leader self appointed president
50:39
Speaker 2: was privately assured that the UK that Syria will normalize
50:46
Speaker 2: ties with Israel, thus formal recognizing the illegal occupation state
50:50
Speaker 2: and even exchanging ambassadors by the end of twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: So my question is, and let's go to the UK
50:57
Speaker 2: gov website. Here this is how they're announced a UK
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Speaker 2: bolsters support for the quote Syrian people by amending Syrian sanctions.
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Speaker 2: So they're lifting sanctions on Syria. Okay, previously it was
51:12
Speaker 2: because of quote Asad. We're going to ask a legit question, Mike.
51:15
Speaker 2: Here is the UK formally recognizing al Qaeda HTS terrorists
51:21
Speaker 2: when took government in Damascus, a government, a self proclaimed
51:25
Speaker 2: government that said there'll be no elections in the country.
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Speaker 2: So this is a terrorist group, a terrorist leader. Al
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Speaker 2: bag Daddy's deputy at isis the founder of al Qaeda
51:36
Speaker 2: and Syria. And you're now formally recognizing this government that
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Speaker 2: took force and is currently running pograms in the coastal
51:45
Speaker 2: regions of Syria against religious minorities and ethnic minorities. I mean,
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Speaker 2: everything I'm saying is absolutely ironclad fact. The question is
51:54
Speaker 2: this a formal recognition of a terrorist It looks like
51:58
Speaker 2: a terrorist regime, That's what it looks like. Why is that?
52:03
Speaker 2: We don't know, But just remind people this is on
52:06
Speaker 2: the cradle. This is actually just this week, Siria's Stolen Daughters,
52:10
Speaker 2: the HTS Jolani campaign to enslave allo white women, whole
52:14
Speaker 2: list of women have been abducted, killed, abused, missing, missing,
52:20
Speaker 2: there's a whole list of them. And that's what's happening here.
52:22
Speaker 2: And I'll go to Joshua Landis here and he is
52:26
Speaker 2: with the Quincy Institute in the United States University of Oklahoma,
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Speaker 2: and this is an evangelical Islamic festival. They're calling for
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Speaker 2: Syrians to sacrifice their blood and lives for Islam and
52:38
Speaker 2: they'll deliver a heavy blow of the sword will fall
52:41
Speaker 2: soon against religious minorities and what they call enemies of Islam.
52:46
Speaker 2: That's sixty percent of people living in Latakia who are
52:49
Speaker 2: Christian and Aloi. Okay, that's what's going on in plain sight.
52:54
Speaker 2: So why is the US government in Syria not doing
52:56
Speaker 2: anything to stop these programs? Or do they actually care?
53:00
Speaker 2: That's the question. Here's another disturbing video again posted by
53:04
Speaker 2: Joshua Landis. Go ahead and look at this. It's only
53:21
Speaker 2: it's only twenty seconds long, but we saw enough there.
53:25
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's it's beyond the pale. And there's not
53:28
Speaker 2: a word of condemnation from any of our political leaders
53:31
Speaker 2: about the slaughter of Alo whites and Christians by the
53:35
Speaker 2: Al Sharar a k al Jelani HTS al Qaida junta
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Speaker 2: by definition of z a junta in Syria. Why is that?
53:44
Speaker 2: Why is this not eligible for any condemnation or comment.
53:48
Speaker 2: This wasn't happening under the quote asad regime. This wasn't happening.
53:52
Speaker 2: It was a pluralistic society. Everybody received equal protection.
53:56
Speaker 1: Because we've been funding them and training them and supporting
53:59
Speaker 1: them for since twenty eleven effectively, So we're not going
54:03
Speaker 1: to criticize our old proxies.
54:05
Speaker 2: So in Israel obviously wants to normalize. Of course, because Syria,
54:09
Speaker 2: this new regime has given away a large percentage of
54:12
Speaker 2: its territory voluntarily to Israel, so like a donation to
54:16
Speaker 2: the State of Israel. Anyway, speaking of Israel, here look
54:19
Speaker 2: at this. Senior Israeli officers leaked classified data, including preparations
54:24
Speaker 2: for an attack on Iran. This shows you that all
54:27
Speaker 2: is not well in Tel Aviv mic and more to come.
54:30
Speaker 2: There are the brew the beginnings of what a lot
54:33
Speaker 2: of people are calling the potential civil war within Israeli society.
54:37
Speaker 2: So just that descent of leaking Iran attack plans shows
54:41
Speaker 2: you that there is major upheavals going on within the
54:43
Speaker 2: defense establishment and between Netanyahu and other opposition figures there,
54:49
Speaker 2: So more on that later.
54:51
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Patrick, Mark. Let's come back to you
54:54
Speaker 1: then to finish off, and is there going to be
54:57
Speaker 1: a new hearing on nine to eleven.
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Speaker 4: It's difficult to stay, gentlemen, just how far this will go.
55:05
Speaker 4: Of course, people have been stumping for this and promoting
55:08
Speaker 4: this and asking for this, demanding it for a very
55:11
Speaker 4: long time. There's a independent journalist named Bennie Johnson, one
55:15
Speaker 4: of the few that picked us up and gave it
55:17
Speaker 4: any semblance of fairness. This headline a bombshell Senator Ron
55:21
Speaker 4: Johnson signals the intention to hold a hearing on nine
55:24
Speaker 4: to eleven, with emphasis on building seven. This was actually
55:27
Speaker 4: published by the International Center for nine to eleven Justice,
55:31
Speaker 4: which gave Benny Johnson affair shake here And in the
55:35
Speaker 4: interest of time, we might want to go right to
55:36
Speaker 4: the video clip.
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Speaker 2: Mike.
55:39
Speaker 4: I could talk about, you know what this is focusing on,
55:42
Speaker 4: but I think it might be best just to hear
55:43
Speaker 4: the clip.
55:46
Speaker 8: They deserve the truth. It's been hidden from him way
55:49
Speaker 8: too long. But again that's just in one air. I
55:51
Speaker 8: think it's interesting. I've been following you. You're starting to
55:53
Speaker 8: open up the apture on nine eleven Will Trade Center
55:58
Speaker 8: number seven. The fire fighters are telling us, I think
56:01
Speaker 8: that's something that needs to be explored as well. And
56:03
Speaker 8: I know you and I are both considered conspiracy theorists.
56:09
Speaker 8: But that's exactly how they keep this stuff covered up,
56:11
Speaker 8: is they accuse those of us to want to expose
56:13
Speaker 8: the truth, that we're just a bunch of conspiracy theorists.
56:17
Speaker 9: Well, members of Congress are now coming forward on Tucker
56:20
Speaker 9: Show and saying, hey, they've completely attacked my family and
56:24
Speaker 9: destroyed my career because I questioned the official story of
56:27
Speaker 9: September eleventh, and none of it makes sense. And so
56:30
Speaker 9: the only way to find the truth is asked the
56:32
Speaker 9: right questions. And this is the this is the single
56:35
Speaker 9: most consequential moment in America changed forever, not for the
56:39
Speaker 9: better after September eleventh, and it's worth understanding what truly happened,
56:44
Speaker 9: just like on January sixth. To try and find the truth,
56:48
Speaker 9: you have to ask, You have to be able to
56:49
Speaker 9: ask right questions. Go back to the firefighters. Every firefighter
56:54
Speaker 9: inside of those buildings was saying, including Donald Trump, was
56:58
Speaker 9: saying that this visual narrative cannot be true. And so
57:03
Speaker 9: you know, we hope that there's some disclosures there as well. Uh,
57:08
Speaker 9: one final thing, and you brought it up and it
57:12
Speaker 9: was chilling. You said that they've destroyed the documents and
57:16
Speaker 9: you're just talking about COVID documents. So do we have
57:19
Speaker 9: any hope of ever getting like a proper Epstein document dump?
57:23
Speaker 9: Is there is there like actual hope here of getting
57:27
Speaker 9: any true documents that are related to events of September
57:31
Speaker 9: eleventh or JFK, or have those things been so black
57:36
Speaker 9: boxed and so decimated that we'll never know the real truth.
57:41
Speaker 8: Well again, just like we have thousands of recordings versus
57:45
Speaker 8: one supruiter film, it's not just the Sebent that has
57:48
Speaker 8: a record of emails.
57:54
Speaker 4: So that gives you some flavor of what's going on
57:57
Speaker 4: so far. Now, Ron Johnson made a lot of big
57:59
Speaker 4: promises that he would make sure that the Pandemic Agreement
58:03
Speaker 4: was labeled and defined as a treaty and the Senate
58:07
Speaker 4: constitutionally would act authority. But those stories are in our
58:10
Speaker 4: rearview mirror a couple of years old, and he doesn't
58:12
Speaker 4: seem to be pressing that matter right now. So we
58:14
Speaker 4: can hope mister Johnson has the intestinal fortitude to move
58:18
Speaker 4: forward on nine to eleven. Lastly, the other media, besides
58:23
Speaker 4: people like ourselves, Benny Johnson and very few others, the
58:26
Speaker 4: other media are treating this in the very expected way.
58:29
Speaker 5: This is a typical specimen.
58:31
Speaker 4: Wisconsin senator wants nine to eleven probe sites, conspiracy theories.
58:35
Speaker 4: New York leaders react by some local paper, the Rockland
58:39
Speaker 4: Rockland Westchester Journal News. At any rate, all these stories
58:44
Speaker 4: are the same, whether it's CNN, you name it. They
58:47
Speaker 4: simply present what Johnson is saying, and they simply criticize him.
58:51
Speaker 4: They shoot him down. They bring in no supportive speakers
58:55
Speaker 4: or anything that would give any credence to what Senator
58:59
Speaker 4: Johnson has proposed. So it's all the same character assassination
59:03
Speaker 4: and the mainstream legacy media cartel guys. So it's going
59:07
Speaker 4: to be a very uphill battle, and we can hope
59:08
Speaker 4: there's a lot of reality to this and it's not
59:11
Speaker 4: just rhetoric. So this is something to follow obviously along
59:14
Speaker 4: with real id long term.
59:17
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59:20
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