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Football at Four LIVE FROM SUPER BOWL LX Media Row: Caplan Goes Inside More Potential Eagles Coaching Moves · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: every day. Adam Kaplan is on Radio Row. He was
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  Speaker 1: You just got Donovan McNabb, We got Jeff Garcia still
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  Speaker 1: to come, Romeo Dobbs still to come. We talked to
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  Speaker 1: Dobbs and Garcia full disclosure earlier, so we do have
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  Speaker 1: some nuggets we'll talk to you about with that. But
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that we talked about with Romeo Dobbs,
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  Speaker 1: who played for Sean many in this past year. What
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  Speaker 1: can the Eagles expect with the new coach? And he
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  Speaker 1: said he expects the receivers to He told the receivers
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  Speaker 1: to expect the football a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would hope that it's out quicker because this
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  Speaker 2: is a West Coast offense and they're gonna run Mike
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  Speaker 2: and Scott.
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  Speaker 3: It's a timing based offense.
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  Speaker 2: The ball's got to come out like that's not You
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  Speaker 2: got to understand, if you talk to coaches who are
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  Speaker 2: working that offense, if your quarterback has taken two five
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  Speaker 2: or more, they're gonna wind up getting benched. It's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna say I'm just telling you. We're gonna say this now, Scott,
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  Speaker 2: as you and I speak to each other here, no
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  Speaker 2: coach who works in the West Coast offense will ever
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  Speaker 2: find it acceptable for the ball to come out in
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  Speaker 2: two point seven to three seconds.
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  Speaker 1: MC.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me? Do hurts historically? Is he takes just about
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  Speaker 2: longer than any quarterback to get rid of the football.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's not gonna work.
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  Speaker 4: And that's one thing that full of Sclodson Jeff Garcia
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  Speaker 4: kind of alluded to us, was that that he noticed
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  Speaker 4: that Jalen is missing. He's missing maybe his first read,
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  Speaker 4: because by the time he to get rid of the ball,
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  Speaker 4: it's already too late. He's got to move on. But
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  Speaker 4: instead of noticing, he would know he's playing that offense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and that's I think that was one of the things
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  Speaker 4: he was bringing up. And so it's to your point, Ken,
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  Speaker 4: you know, let's let's play that forward Ken Jalen. Whether
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  Speaker 4: it's mental or reading the defense pre snap, can he
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  Speaker 4: get to the point where he can get rid.
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  Speaker 3: Of the ball that fast?
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  Speaker 2: A right, Scott, I'm gonna tell you a story.
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  Speaker 3: So John D.
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  Speaker 2: Fileppo, the formy Eagles quarterbacks coach, is the front of
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  Speaker 2: Vinceie the Birds. So I asked, Flip, he said, Coach,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I actually asked him about what you just
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  Speaker 2: asked me. This is this is when this is when
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  Speaker 2: Hurt started struggling in twenty twenty three, when when the
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  Speaker 2: regression started. You know, he was great in twenty two
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  Speaker 2: when the league could not figure out how to stop
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  Speaker 2: him and A. J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown. So I said, coach, what do you do like
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  Speaker 3: if your quarterbacks not get rid of he goes. You
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  Speaker 3: don't yell at him, you don't scream at him.
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  Speaker 2: You asked him what he saw okay on the sideline,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't really coach him on the sideline. You
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  Speaker 2: can't do it to you have tape study. Then you
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  Speaker 2: go the balls just to go here. You don't ask
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  Speaker 2: him what because you're you're not trying to insuld him.
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  Speaker 3: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's the same when he coached Carson Wentz when
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  Speaker 2: Wentz came in as a rookie. Wentz came in a
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  Speaker 2: pro offense out of North Kota State.
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  Speaker 3: But that's college football still, and you have.
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  Speaker 2: To understand how to speak and connect with your players, Scott.
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  Speaker 3: So what John said is you keep repping.
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  Speaker 2: You keep repping and have him understand how it has
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  Speaker 2: to come out and when it has to come out,
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  Speaker 2: and you show him and you.
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  Speaker 3: Watch the practice tape together because you're seeing it the
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  Speaker 3: same issue.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he doesn't have this issue in practice.
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  Speaker 2: That's the secret sauce. Of course he does. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like all of a sudden he's great in practice in
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  Speaker 2: the game when he asked, the look that he wants
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  Speaker 2: is you just brought up Mike.
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  Speaker 3: From Jeff Garcia that he's not seeing the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: He's seeing it, but he's not somehow processing He's not
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  Speaker 2: the only quarterback, by the way, Mike to ever have
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  Speaker 2: this issue.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that Garcia did say was it
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  Speaker 1: was very beneficial to him to play for Mariucci in
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco, Detroit, Andy, in Philadelphia. After all, the verbis
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  Speaker 1: she said, I don't know how I would have handled
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  Speaker 1: it if I would have had to keep changing.
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  Speaker 3: So that is the word. Okay, So West Coast is.
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  Speaker 1: Donovan also had gone the same thing that he does.
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  Speaker 1: Think that it would have hurt his development if he
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  Speaker 1: had to keep changing offenses after leaving Philly and to
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  Speaker 1: go to Washington, then Washington going to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: So right, because as you know, the West Coast offensive verbiage,
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  Speaker 2: the non West Coast is the numbering system, the North
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  Speaker 2: turner system. So it's hard. So as we go inside
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  Speaker 2: football guys here, it's kind of fun. I did inside
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  Speaker 2: the Birds. I was telling Mike Smith coach Smith, I've
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  Speaker 2: known casually forever for twenty some man years. We just
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  Speaker 2: we've never really exchanged numbers. This is a great part
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  Speaker 2: about coming here, but we never really knew each other
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  Speaker 2: outside of being the media, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, coming up to manasking he's great. We had him
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  Speaker 1: on last year.
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  Speaker 3: He's great, really good dude.
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  Speaker 2: But moving this along here, it's uh, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a fascinating off season for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: They have so much to do.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia did tell us, and by the way, we
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  Speaker 1: have not aired the Jeff Garcia We will do that
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  Speaker 1: later today or tomorrow. One of the things he can
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  Speaker 1: tells is that he called the Eagles Nick Sirianni Howie Roseman,
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  Speaker 1: and he offered to coach. He was a coach with
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  Speaker 1: the Rams in twenty fifteen, where his quarterback was Sean Mannion.
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  Speaker 1: He said he would love to work alongside Sean and
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  Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts. Could more coaching changes or additions or
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  Speaker 1: any wild stuff be in the future here, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: My sense is still probably by the time we're done here,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, right, they already hired someone
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  Speaker 2: for Park Fraser spot as PES game coordinator, so you
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  Speaker 2: would have to think he's probably not gonna be back
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  Speaker 2: where he's reassigned. Right, They're ready interviewing the quarterbacks coach.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to understand, I'm thinking based on you know,
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  Speaker 2: our intellig inside the Birds, who you're gonna see at
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  Speaker 2: least three you can see more. Now, now I understand something.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just explain how it works. You have what
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  Speaker 2: are called non knowles where they don't pick up the option.
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  Speaker 2: The coaching contracts you're not coordinators are two years plus
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  Speaker 2: the club option. It's called the rollover, and then coordinators
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  Speaker 2: get at least three if they have any tenure. Guys
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  Speaker 2: to get three years. So yeah, and you got to
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  Speaker 2: give Sean Mannion. This is the thing we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out it inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 3: Who are is connections? Who would he want to bring in?
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's one. Mike Garrafulla named to watch for Eagles
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  Speaker 1: quarterback coach. The team hasn't commented on Scott Loffler's status. Leffler,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, Greg Olsen, who finished the season as the
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  Speaker 1: raiders interim offensive coordinator. Manion played under Olson with the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 1: and sources say he is interested in bringing him to Philly.
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  Speaker 2: Holy has been Holy smokes. Derek Carr, Blake Bortles. I
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  Speaker 2: just off him without even looking. He's what I find funny.
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  Speaker 2: He would have worked well and Andy Reid when Andy
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  Speaker 2: was here. He's a progressive play caller. He wants to
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  Speaker 2: throw the ball all the time. He's he's his daughter
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  Speaker 2: is one of the best volleyball player in the country.
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  Speaker 1: It's about that. Yeah, and may I commented that he
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  Speaker 1: was in.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, only they got him out of retirement. He's he's
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  Speaker 2: actually coached for the Raiders three different times. Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: The Raiders have been in three different cities. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's a really good quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: He is a really big, really good quarterback coach.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, Mike, that's the where Syrianni made a mistake
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  Speaker 2: on this. For six months, now, why don't you have
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  Speaker 2: a senior offensive assistant?
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  Speaker 3: But then it after the Buffalo game that he couldn't
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  Speaker 3: do both.
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  Speaker 1: And you have I talked about him, Mike, right and
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  Speaker 1: and one of the things, oh, man, I just completely
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  Speaker 1: blanked on the fault that you said. You I know,
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  Speaker 1: but you brought up something that makes me think about
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  Speaker 1: having the quarterback coach. Oh, you guys have de Filippo
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  Speaker 1: on who is credited for coaching Wentz very hard to
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  Speaker 1: get the best out of him that year, and then once.
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  Speaker 3: He left, it all went to and and and it
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  Speaker 3: was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: De Filippo was the technical part of Carson and Frank Reich,
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  Speaker 2: who's now coaching with the Jets as the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: He was the metal part for Carson, so they let
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  Speaker 2: de Filippo handle everything. Give Doug Peterson credit and Frank credit.
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  Speaker 2: They handed off everything.
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  Speaker 3: To d Flippo like usually you don't see that.
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  Speaker 2: But they knew his work with Derek Carr and others
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  Speaker 2: because John was a quarterback coach and Olie was the
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  Speaker 2: OC in twenty in twenty fourteen with Derek Carr and
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  Speaker 2: the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: Any thoughts a couple of days later since the Fangio stuff, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I put something on our show.
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  Speaker 2: I let me just explain it to folks because we
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  Speaker 2: like to go inside the game here, and it's had football.
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  Speaker 2: Scott coaches, if they're going to retire, it's done within
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  Speaker 2: three to five days after your season.
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  Speaker 1: You don't wait.
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  Speaker 2: So my senses, Scott and Mike, they had to have
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  Speaker 2: this talking for the season was over. And you know
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  Speaker 2: on Jimmy Kempsey's reporting, he told me I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: retire and they obviously talked him out of it. With
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  Speaker 2: Chad Johnson goes by here, o Joe Sinko.
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  Speaker 1: He gave me a big hugger earlier, he said the
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: It's insane number eighty five new program. But Mike, the
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  Speaker 2: bottom line is you take that picture the.
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  Speaker 1: Eagles oc Chado cho Cinco. The next Eagles offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: Chado cho Cinco, Someboddy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you find anyone back Joe, but
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  Speaker 2: he said tell Sirian exactly.
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  Speaker 3: He has no coaching experience.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, my guys, honestly, it happens very early, and
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  Speaker 2: there's there's no way he's going to hold up his coaches.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't work. I heard some inspectable, well maybe he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to. I've covered thissins twenty seven years. I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard of a coach players yes, because had start a
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  Speaker 2: training camp because they don't want to go through it,
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  Speaker 2: either you're coaching or not.
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  Speaker 3: Like that doesn't so bark something unforeseeing. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: it can't happen.
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  Speaker 1: So then the question might be then, but I know this,
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  Speaker 1: do this last year? Yah, and you think you find
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  Speaker 1: someone that could replace him, Now what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: He loves Joe Joe Caspers. This guy we've been talking
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  Speaker 2: about this now, Joe Casper. He got to no Joe
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two when Vic was consulting h when
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  Speaker 2: he was there. You know what's so funny, Mike, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So Vic Fangil kept showing up for at a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Like he turned up to the Dolphins training camp
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  Speaker 2: when we were there before they traded Jalen Rager. Like,
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  Speaker 2: why is Vic Fangiel always around the Eagles in training camp?
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  Speaker 2: Now we know what he was. He was consulting for
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  Speaker 2: him or he was a friend of the team, as
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  Speaker 2: they say many exactly. So anyway, No, it makes you
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  Speaker 2: would never do it that to your coach. It would
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  Speaker 2: be literally I've never heard of.
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  Speaker 3: A coach walking away six weeks later because they'd.
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  Speaker 2: All have time. There's no jobs out there. Watch well,
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  Speaker 2: that's a different one. At twenty that absolutely Frank Raig,
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  Speaker 2: John c. Filippo had actually infected their futures.
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  Speaker 1: It impacted a lot of people's futures.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so on Vic, though, just to kind of tidy
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  Speaker 4: this up, then, is your expectation that maybe this will
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  Speaker 4: be his last year?
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  Speaker 3: Like why would you at this point?
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  Speaker 2: And he turned sixty eight and he's been coaching forty
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  Speaker 2: two years in pro football, including the Stars. I was
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  Speaker 2: a season ticket holder when I was crazy. He was
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  Speaker 2: in his twenties, then yeah, because if he's been thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it for the last two years, which is what
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  Speaker 2: we understand, Like, what.
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  Speaker 3: Are you coaching still for? Like I I know he
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  Speaker 3: talked about his one of the one of somebody got
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  Speaker 3: a ring.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's got his ring, Like what do you what exactly, Scott?
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  Speaker 3: Well, why are you coaching? Why are he's still coaching?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what would be the point? And you want to
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  Speaker 3: hand it off when you're when you fix someone's ready.
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  Speaker 2: With where's Clint Hurt? Either Clint Hurt, who's this guy?
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  Speaker 2: Or Joe Casper? The question for Joe Casper is he
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  Speaker 2: ready to run a defense at thirty five years old?
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  Speaker 1: Though you never know? Well on the other side, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people were saying if they would have if
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  Speaker 1: they knew this ahead of time, should they have tried
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  Speaker 1: to keep Parker Parker? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know because it could have been the
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  Speaker 2: works mic to try to convince him to coach.
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  Speaker 3: You know who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what we've Uh, we've learned a
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  Speaker 1: lot today. We talked to a lot and got some
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  Speaker 1: very interest I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Wait to hear the Cheff Garcia interview.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Uh Jeff was very good and listen, I thought
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  Speaker 1: one of the other things he brought up, and I
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  Speaker 1: think you were obviously covering the team at that time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so fine, oh six six six sixteen O
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  Speaker 1: six six McNab gets hurt. They bring him in and
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  Speaker 1: he has this great run. He became so popular and
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  Speaker 1: I had him. Would it be untenable that you could
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  Speaker 1: have came back the next year? Did you want to?
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  Speaker 1: He said? I wanted to, but I knew.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, because I was talking to his agent,
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  Speaker 2: Steve Backer, and I remember being it's so funny when
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  Speaker 2: you met your names. I I covering Steories have to
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: go the club or the agent, and Steve is a
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: he had no omnia ausen while that was a nomnioso.
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  Speaker 2: Was the first agent with Steve Baker. And he's out here.
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  Speaker 2: He's out He's from New York, but he's from the Bayer.
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  Speaker 2: He lives in Bay Area, and I remember blowing Steve's
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  Speaker 2: phone up like twenty times to know whether he's coming
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  Speaker 2: back round. He goes, Hey, it's not our call in
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  Speaker 2: this one, it's the clubs. And you know what happened? Well,
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  Speaker 2: Garcia mentioned what did he say?
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  Speaker 1: He said, they offered him like what will it take,
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  Speaker 1: and they offered him like basically like no, you can't
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  Speaker 1: come back money or too low or you're asking. It
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  Speaker 1: was a funny way that he put it. But he
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to come back, but he knew that he and
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Donovan could not co exist. They didn't like each other
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  Speaker 1: as much as he knew his popularity would probably cause friction.
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  Speaker 3: Did you talk about t O with.
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  Speaker 1: Him, Garcia?
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  Speaker 3: Not really. I love to hear what he thinks of you.
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  Speaker 1: We were a little short on time and we were
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting side. Well he's walking around still. Man'll
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  Speaker 1: try to got this white beard man. He does uh
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: when you see this event, you see Cooper de Gene.
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  Speaker 1: He has become here. He was everywhere. He was on McAfee,
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  Speaker 1: was on k Adams, He's you know what I love
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  Speaker 1: about Bear.
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  Speaker 2: You did a great interview with Britain Covey, which you
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  Speaker 2: got in trouble for like three years ago, because I
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  Speaker 2: remember that I was on after him and you and
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  Speaker 2: you you were telling about him like what.
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  Speaker 3: Did he say? Yeah, he said some stuff he should
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  Speaker 3: have said.
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  Speaker 1: Well he had said and this comes back to where
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  Speaker 1: we are right now. He said, after psyching, they should
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  Speaker 1: have hired a coordinator that had experience, and they hired
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  Speaker 1: obviously Bryan Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: But he was wrong. Well see here's the thing I
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  Speaker 3: say that.
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  Speaker 2: You could say that, but nobody really knew by Brian
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  Speaker 2: Johnson and and he got this is when both Sirianni
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  Speaker 2: and Hurts where they were out, say they had problems internally.
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  Speaker 2: This is stuff that Jeff and I aren't inside the birds.
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  Speaker 2: We found about a week after this, you know a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. We had no idea how bad it was.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think Nick was so scared Scott about being fired.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just so funny how things work out.
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  Speaker 1: Well by the way, Uh sorry, we Ben Watson is
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  Speaker 1: going to join us here in five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh he's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben Well, And somebody texted on the textboard asked
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  Speaker 1: Ben Jonson Ben Watson about chasing Cooper Champ Bailey down
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  Speaker 1: and saving that touchdown? Good player, man? Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 1: today's the anniversary of the Eagles for a Super Bowl?
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Is it on this day?
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Like it's here's a funny story if you check.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: We used to put it up as our image for
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: football for you and I at that Super Bowl in
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: the food court, folks, food court. It's as big as
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: my backyard. Half a better than this, Oh dude, the
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: worst one?
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Were you?
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: The one in New York City or the one there.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Brian Bell. We were in the hotel ballroom, all right.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan football for us, always here, and he could
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: be joined us throughout the week