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Why YouTube Might Be the Future of Ocean Science Communication · How To Protect The Ocean

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  YouTube is a special place on the internet.
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  It is potentially the future of TV.
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  It's a great platform for science communication for that to happen.
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  And it's a great way for a number of different reasons, for search, for
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  monetization, and for getting the message across, and for having a visual
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  storytelling piece to your content.
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  We're gonna talk about why YouTube is such a great platform for science
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  communication, for the ocean protections that we are advocating for here on this
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  podcast, and why and how I've been using YouTube over the last year and a half,
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  and why I stopped for a little bit, and why I'm starting up with a live show, all
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  in this episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, where we bring to
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  you ways that you can protect the ocean, whether it's ocean news, strategies,
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  action items, whatever you want, we do that Monday to Friday every single week.
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  Monday to Friday at the same time, right?
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  Publish 3:00 AM Eastern, so you're gonna get it when you
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  wake up, and it's always great.
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  If you live somewhere else in the world where you can get it in the evening
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  or wherever, you get that as well.
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  So, let's get started with the show.
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  If you want more of these types of episodes, just hit the follow button
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  on your favorite podcast app, of course, and we will get into it.
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  Look, after yesterday's announcement, 2,000 episodes.
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  This is 2,001.
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  We're gonna be talking about YouTube, which I think is pretty interesting
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  topic, because YouTube has made such a splash in social media in general.
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  I think people don't really consider it social media.
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  I think they consider it just, like, a content platform.
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  But every content platform is also social media, including podcasting.
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  And for the last 11 years, I've been really dedicated towards podcasting.
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  Before I started the podcast, I actually had a show on YouTube.
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  I had Speak Up for Blue TV, which has now changed to Ocean Decoded.
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  I started that when my kids were toddlers, and I was thinking, like,
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  when they went to bed around eight o'clock, I was focused and doing an
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  episode Monday to Thursday at the time.
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  I like quantity is really what I like to do, especially with ocean news.
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  That was fun, but the problem was it just took so much time.
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  It took the rest of my evening.
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  And although I liked it a lot, I think I did it too much at that
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  time, and I eventually stopped it.
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  I got burnt out, essentially.
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  The workflow didn't work out.
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  I couldn't afford an editor at the time.
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  And so it was really difficult to do.
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  Until I revisited the channel when YouTube really started to make a splash on the
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  podcasting, in the podcasting world.
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  And look, YouTube is not a podcast platform.
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  It is a video content platform.
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  But we can call a podcast anything now.
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  It could be whatever it is.
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  It used to be the definition was a podcast was an RSS feed that would
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  go out and distribute your episodes and your podcast to the different
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  apps, and that's how you got it.
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  It was audio form.
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  Apple used to have, like when it first came out, it had a video
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  platform to it, but nobody was really watching it ' cause it cost so
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  much in data to watch on your phone.
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  So that was a, problematic.
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  YouTube came out and said, "Hey, we could do podcasts," and we could actually
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  have… Like I used to have, I still do have a channel where this podcast goes,
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  just the audio goes right to the channel.
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  And then I started posting about two and a half years ago.
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  I started posting this podcast on the YouTube channel.
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  It was still Speak Up For Blue TV.
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  I had a playlist, How to Protect the Ocean.
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  And I did that for about two years, maybe a year and a half,
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  and I started to gain traction.
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  And you started to see the subscriber count go up.
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  I went from like just under 200, I think, to about, I'm at
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  about just over 1,000 right now.
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  And so that was kinda cool to see people started listening.
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  I posted three times a week.
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  It was consistent.
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  I would just record the video while I was doing the podcast.
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  So I had the audio version, I had the video version.
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  When I first started doing the podcast, it was just a video.
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  It was just me talking.
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  No other B-rolls or any kind of editing.
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  And then I realized after a while, after about six months, I'm like, "Hey, you
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  know what? Let's start editing and see if it makes a difference." I think it
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  did make a difference, but I think also people were watching it more and more.
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  I started to see a change, and I started to see a real growth.
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  And then I hit an episode where it really hit big.
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  I think I had like over 10,000 views on that episode, which is like the most I've
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  ever had, which was kind of interesting.
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  And then it just continued off of that.
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  And then I stopped last March.
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  I just stopped.
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  And I was like, I was going through like a rebranding, which I'm still going
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  through, and I was like, "What am I gonna do? Like, am I gonna really continue
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  to do this podcast here?" I wanted to change the way we were doing the podcast.
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  I wanted to post five times a week.
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  To edit five podcasts a week is really expensive when you have an editor.
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  I couldn't do it myself five times a week.
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  I think I'd get burnt out again.
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  And so I started to look at how I could change.
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  Instead of going to three episodes a week, I was gonna go down to two episodes
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  a week, and I was really gonna break down some of the major things that
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  have happened in ocean conservation.
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  And then I just couldn't keep it up.
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  I just couldn't do it.
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  I couldn't find my way to do it.
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  Then I wanted to do a little bit of mini documentaries, and I just couldn't do it.
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  It was difficult to do because I was so busy with other stuff.
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  Now things have changed.
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  Things have actually gone towards an interesting route.
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  I've signed the licensing fees to Pisces.
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  So Pisces now, a company that I work for, is now housing How to Protect the Ocean.
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  We've extended the network to the Pisces podcast called Ocean Leaders Podcast.
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  That's coming out soon.
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  If it's not out by the time you're watching this, it's probably already out
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  on the network at speakupforblue.com.
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  And I get to do that work during the day, and I get to work with that.
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  And that, that's a really cool thing to be able to do.
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  And I have my evenings back, so now I can get maybe a little
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  more creative with that side.
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  And one of the things that I wanted to do back into YouTube.
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  I'm so close to the monetization, and I can talk a little bit about
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  monetization in just a sec. But I'm so close to the second level of
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  monetization, and I think it's time to really develop that part of it.
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  So I'm looking forward to doing that.
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  So that's gonna be a lot of fun to be able to do that.
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  But let's get into why YouTube is so great compared to the other types of platforms.
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  So on Monday, I went through the short-form content: TikTok,
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  Instagram, especially videos, Facebook, and YouTube Shorts.
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  And then on Tuesday, I went through the podcast platform, which obviously I'm
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  very familiar with over the last 11 years.
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  And then, of course, \ yesterday was the big announcement of the 2,000th
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  episode, what it gave me, all that kind of stuff, the relationship
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  with Pisces, who I work for now as an ocean communications manager.
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  And then today we're talking about YouTube, and this is really
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  special 'cause I've dove into each and every part of the platform.
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  Obviously, podcasting has been the most, like, committed.
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  But YouTube is getting there, and I'll tell you there's a few reasons.
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  So, like, the big thing is, is like, look, it's search-driven.
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  People can find me a lot easier than they can in the podcasting world.
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  It's not necessarily subscriber-driven.
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  So all the algorithms that you see, like it is in short form,
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  like this is like search-driven.
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  So somebody has a question, like, why orcas attack great whites.
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  A video that I have it pops up.
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  And it depends on where you are in the search.
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  Obviously, AI, or AIO is gonna change the way search happens in
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  the future, if it's not already changing now, probably already is.
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  But, you know, you can look at questions like, "Oh, is the megalodon alive?" And
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  try to myth bust some of those questions.
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  There's like high intent in there.
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  People are searching for specific questions, and you can answer
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  those specific questions.
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  And then, of course, you know, just like podcasting, there's
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  an evergreen potential, right?
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  So if you have a playlist, people can go down your playlist and look at all
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  the different things that are going on in the ocean, like, say, for me or
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  whatever you're posting on And then of course, the video adds that extra
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  dimension, that audio alone can't do.
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  And now of course, you know, Spotify has video.
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  Apple now brought back video.
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  It stopped supporting for a while, it brought back video.
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  And now of course, YouTube is always been a video platform.
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  But it has that extra dimension where you can have B-roll in it.
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  People they don't have to picture what you're about to do all the time.
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  You can have that picture for them, which I think there's a
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  good and bad way of doing that.
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  But you can have, like, underwater footage, you can have B-roll.
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  There's a lot of places.
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  Like, one of the things that used to limit me is I never liked to
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  grab pictures off the internet that I couldn't really source, right?
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  And I couldn't really use because of copyright infringement.
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  But now there's a lot of B-roll that I can take, and I can get my
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  point across with that B-roll where you subscribe to it, like you have
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  a subscription, which I think is really cool to be able to do that.
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  So I can do underwater video, animal behavior type videos, the visuals,
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  like data, and, coral bleaching and plastic accumulation, stuff like that.
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  And also, to be honest, like, AI has provided us a way to create specific
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  visualizations, whether it is a picture.
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  Some of those pictures obviously look different, but it's also,
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  some of those like graphs.
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  Like, if you wanna do a graph where you wanna put together some kind of
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  animation that you can, you can do that, using AI, which is, I think
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  we're getting better and better at that.
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  And you have to be careful how you use AI, obviously.
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  A lot of people don't like it, but there's something that you can do
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  to get your point across with which helps in the storytelling aspect.
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  Now people are probably wondering like, "Andrew, like you're
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  on podcasting which is great.
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  Why are you doing this?
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  Like why'd you launch Ocean Decoded?" And to be honest all the reasons above,
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  plus it's one of the only platform in Canada that pays for you to post, which I
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  think is important as a content creator.
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  It's not gonna pay for all of my bills, it's not gonna pay for everything, but it
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  could maybe one day pay for all the stuff that I put in, all the editing that goes
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  in, like I have to pay editors to do that.
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  All the apps that I pay for, like I've invested quite a lot of money into that.
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  So getting some money back, like whether through Patreon or whether
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  through the YouTube memberships or super chats or anything like that or
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  even just the regular monetization is really important for me to be able to
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  bring that more information to you and gain revenue to pay off and at least
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  break even, if not make a little money.
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  There's nothing wrong with making a little money with the effort that I'm putting in.
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  I do love it so it's not really a job for me but I do love it.
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  So I think that's really important.
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  And then, people are asking like, "Well you had How to Protect the Ocean, why
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  didn't you just keep posting to there?"
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  And I probably could have.
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  There's a couple reasons obviously I've mentioned it earlier.
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  Putting together an edited video for five episodes is quite a bit.
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  Putting together solo episodes and interviews on the same channel I think
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  messed up the algorithm a little bit or messed up how, my metrics because
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  people sometimes expect a shorter episode, and then they get a longer
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  episode with an interview, or vice versa.
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  And so it's not always what they want, and that's fine.
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  I totally understand that.
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  This is the way I want to style and, create the podcast,
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  and so that's what I do.
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  And to be able to edit five days, that's a lot of money.
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  I wouldn't be able to keep up with it, as I mentioned.
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  I'd probably burn out, and then I wouldn't keep up, and I wouldn't post.
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  It does take a long time to edit these videos, whether they're 15
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  minutes, 10 minutes, or an hour.
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  It's quite tedious for me anyway, and for the way I like to live my life.
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  But the thing is, is like I wanted to create something.
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  Like I had the podcast, and people can listen to the audio podcast, but in,
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  in Ocean Decoded, I wanted to create something that was a little bit more
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  visual and a little bit more interactive.
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  The benefit also with YouTube is you get people to comment
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  right underneath that video.
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  So if there's something specific that they come to that video, they can watch
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  it, and they can comment during it.
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  It kinda gives you the timestamp of what they're commenting on.
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  But you can get that point, which is really nice.
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  You get like pretty much instant feedback, and you can go back,
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  and you can have a conversation with the person who's watching.
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  Whether it's good or bad, it doesn't matter.
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  I don't mind a little critique every once in a while, but I feel like it's really
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  important to have that connection, right?
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  'Cause the whole point of the podcast and the work that I do is to start a
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  conversation so that you can continue, we can continue having it either with
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  each other or with the grand scheme of this community that we're building here.
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  So I think it's really cool.
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  And why did I choose live?
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  There's a couple reasons.
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  Like for Ocean Decoded Live, which I started this week,
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  hopefully I've started this week.
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  I'm gonna do a show Monday to Thursday at 4:00 PM Eastern.
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  The goal of that was one, I've always wanted to do a live show.
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  I'm a big fan of what Pat McAfee has done for sports and YouTube and kinda creating
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  your own thing, to make a big splash.
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  Do I expect to get his numbers?
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  Absolutely not.
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  I'm not a football analyst, although I love the sport.
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  But I think what he's done is pretty special.
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  It's shown that you don't need to rely on mainstream TV or cable networks or
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  anything like that to make a living, and I think that's an important aspect.
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  And he's done it very humbly in my opinion, and I think
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  he's done it very well.
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  He's been very transparent in that way, and I think, it's a good way to empower
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  the creator to be able to control that.
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  Even if there's layoffs or things like that, he's got his own thing that
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  people tune in each and every day.
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  And that's great.
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  I think that's something that you can mold to, and I think the same thing
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  with ocean conservation, is having a live show talking about ocean news
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  and conservation that happens that day or the day before, or like, the
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  day after I can do the next show.
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  It's able to keep that relationship with the person, the audience member, and then
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  they're able to comment live, and I can have a conversation live with somebody,
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  which I think is really interesting.
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  So that's one of the things.
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  The other thing is with AI.
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  At one point this year, for a while, I got a teleprompter.
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  I actually got a teleprompter from my old work.
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  It was a nice gift, so I want to use it.
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  So I started to create scripts, which I've never done before for the podcast.
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  And I started using those scripts.
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  What's interesting is I used AI to do the script.
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  And I don't know if you've noticed, but you can really tell when somebody uses
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  AI for their script, and I think I got tired of it before my audience got tired
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  of it, or before they started telling me that they were getting tired of it.
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  And so I have switched back, like in this method.
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  So it's a little bit…
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  Now the episodes are not as structured, but they're a little bit more of my
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  thoughts, definitely about my thoughts.
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  And they're not scripted.
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  Maybe I've got some bullet points and stuff like that, but for the
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  most part, they're not scripted.
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  and so it's a little bit different.
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  Like in the age of AI, it's really nice to have that authenticity.
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  And so if I wanted to create that authenticity, I've always
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  wanted to do a live show.
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  I'm able to do this live show and create that authenticity 'cause it's me.
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  It's me just going off the handle.
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  I'll have bullet points.
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  I can still use AI to process stuff, generate images or search
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  for specific articles that I wanna do and do deeper dives.
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  But for the most part, it's me.
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  It's me and the audience, and I can have that me and the viewer
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  relationship, and I think that's really cool to be able to do.
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  Plus, it allows me to keep updated on what's happening in oceans even
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  more and cover some different things.
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  'Cause like with the podcast, with the themes, it's harder to cover ocean news.
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  So if you want updated ocean news, go to Ocean Decoded and hit that button,
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  hit that subscribe button, and so you don't miss any of those episodes.
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  But I think that'll be a lot of fun.
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  I'll do Monday to Thursday, maybe Monday to Friday, depending on the day.
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  Fridays are usually, you know, my relaxing time, so finishing up work and relaxing
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  with the family on the weekends or just, the wife and I and, enjoy that time.
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  So, yeah, so I think, like bringing that together, which again, which
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  is nice about with YouTube, it's the flexibility of that.
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  It's the watch hours of that, talking about different stories for, say, an
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  hour day, I think is really important.
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  So the live stream format is kind of a fun thing to do, and
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  that's why I decided to go live.
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  You know, and the eventual possibilities maybe expand to Twitch or other
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  live streaming platforms at the same time or a different time.
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  We'll see.
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  It really depends.
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  But simulcasting seems to be a lot of fun to be able to do.
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  But I wanna make sure that I get it right on YouTube first because
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  that's where a lot of my audience is.
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  I don't have an audience on Twitch.
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  So that'll be kind of fun to be able to do.
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  YouTube Live is really like a sub-format of what we do.
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  You know, you get a real-time audience relationship and the chat,
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  which is great, immediate reaction.
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  Everybody knows it'll be on the same time every day.
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  That'll be nice.
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  It builds a habit, which is great.
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  There are other people on YouTube that are doing some amazing things
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  within the conservation world.
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  So, somebody that I've covered, Kristian Parton, who I've covered
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  on the Beyond Jaws with David Ebert.
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  We covered his Shark Bytes channel.
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  Shark Bytes is a shark-related YouTube channel where he kinda looks a lot of,
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  like, the science, but also, like, the pop culture around sharks and how to
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  behave around sharks, and he looked at, like, shark bites for a while.
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  So those have been pretty interesting, and it's a very successful
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  channel, over 180,000 subscribers.
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  And then of course, there's KPassionate.
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  So KP is a marine mammalogist, I believe.
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  And she's got a lot of experience in field and as well as a
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  captive or zoological experience.
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  And she talks a lot about marine mammals.
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  She'll talk a lot about some of the pop culture and some of
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  the marine conservation and news that's have been happening, and I
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  think that's kind of interesting.
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  She's also done Twitch before.
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  She started off on Twitch, moved to YouTube, so I think
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  that's really interesting.
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  We're seeing a lot of creators that are in the science and conservation world,
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  especially ocean science and conservation world, start to come over to YouTube.
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  I don't know why exactly for them, but I know Kristian Parton
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  said, " Hey, you know what?
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  Like, I could actually, you know, pay my bills through this,"
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  which I think is phenomenal.
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  That's fantastic for him ' cause he had trouble finding a job in
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  science, and we all know it's trouble.
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  It's hard, so you have to do it other ways and be able to
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  live the life that you want.
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  I think it's really important.
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  But I think the lives too are a lot less polished, which I think fits my role.
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  So I don't have to worry about editing too much.
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  I am, like, creating assets that I could use.
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  I have a software called Ecamm, which is a live streaming software, which I
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  can control different scenes, and I can pretty it up a little bit, to make it a
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  little bit easier when it comes into post.
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  So I think that's a lot of fun too.
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  And there's a little bit of flexibility within that, so I think that's kinda cool.
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  So, like, there's a lot of things that YouTube allows.
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  They prefer people to have shows on YouTube and stay on YouTube,
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  just like every other platform, which I think is really cool.
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  Their monetization structure is really interesting.
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  There's a two-tier YouTube Partner Program as of 2026.
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  So the funding tier, which is if you get 500 subscribers, 3,000 watch hours,
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  or 3 million Short views in 90 days.
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  That's almost impossible to get.
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  I don't produce enough Shorts and I guess that good of
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  Shorts to be able to get that.
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  I got to 3,000 hour watch, so I'm on that tier.
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  It unlocks channel memberships, Super Chats, Super Thanks, and YouTube
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  shopping, but not ad revenue.
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  So that's the difference between the first tier and the second tier.
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  Now, full monetization, which includes the ad revenue is at 1,000 subscribers,
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  which I have, 4,000 watch hours, which I haven't had within the last 12 months or
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  10 million short views within ninety days.
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  That unlocks the ad revenue.
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  And that's where I think you get most of the money.
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  The first membership seems more like a Patreon-type model.
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  The revenue split is 55% creator to 45% YouTube.
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  And Super Chats, Super Stickers, and channel memberships carry a
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  better split of the creators get, like, 70% where YouTube takes 30%.
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  Since it's a direct fan funding rather than an ad base, so that's great.
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  Now, on Patreon, I believe it's less than that.
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  I think the Patreon actually takes 12% instead of 30%.
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  So obviously there's different ways of going about it.
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  But it really goes to where people have accounts, where people are comfortable
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  with spending, and you almost have to be everywhere for that kind of stuff.
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  A Super Chat during a live stream lets viewers pay to highlight and
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  pin their messages in the chat.
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  That's a big piece of live-specific monetization that podcasts and
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  short-forms don't really have the equivalent for, which is true.
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  And sponsorships and brand deals, layer on like, on top of that tier.
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  Both Shark Bytes and Cubastinate run sponsor integrations in their videos
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  itself, so it's baked into their videos.
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  Now, they do it as a host read ad, but they've done a pretty
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  good job at doing that as well.
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  So now when you, like, you compare it to, like, the short-form RPM from Monday's
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  episode, YouTube long-form and live monetization tends to pay meaningfully
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  better per view than TikTok, Reels, or Shorts, but requires more upfront
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  production and slower runway to qualify.
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  So it's, you know, you need those 4,000 hours or 3,000 hours,
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  depending on what membership you want or what they can give you.
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  So that takes a long time.
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  Like, it took me about a year and a half or two years of consistent posting
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  to be able to get to close to that.
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  I was 500 hours off.
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  I stopped for whatever reason, and then it kinda dropped and now I think I'm
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  just between, like, 3,000 and 3,500, hence why I'm gonna start up again.
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  Also 'cause of the show.
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  I really do like the show.
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  So I think it's important, and so I think it's kinda cool to see the monetization
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  for creators on YouTube, and it seems like it's well laid out, it's well-established.
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  Certain YouTubers have trouble with the monetization because you have to be
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  careful of what you say and how you act.
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  But for the most part, people do pretty well on there.
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  But it's never really… Like, I've talked to a lot of creators, and
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  it's never their full-time money, like just the YouTube ad revenue or
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  the memberships or the super chats.
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  It's actually just a part of it, and usually, like, a small part
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  of it 'cause brand deals tend to be bigger for some creators.
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  Now, like I said, Kristian Parton in the Beyond Jaws episode that
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  he was on explained that it helps pay the bills for him.
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  And so that's really great for him.
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  I think that's a really cool model to follow to be able to do that
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  so I think that's really cool.
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  Now, the big thing is, like, the reason why I'm talking about all of
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  these things that have happened today, obviously tomorrow we're gonna be
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  talking to Amy Weldon, who has her own YouTube channel and a podcast, and
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  she's releasing her second season of her podcast, Blue Collar White Coats.
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  And we're gonna be talking to her tomorrow about that.
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  But I think, this has all been about science communication and
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  ways that I've experienced and experimented with different
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  formats and what's worked for me.
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  The biggest thing that I would say right off the bat is to pick
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  one and just drive it home.
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  The hardest part is in remaining consistent, and what you need to
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  do to remain consistent is you need to establish a workflow.
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  You need to have a checklist of some sort.
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  You need to get used to it.
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  You need to be comfortable on camera.
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  There's a lot of things that you have to do to make it worth your while
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  and to make it part of your life.
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  And that's not an easy thing.
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  You've heard in- on Monday, I talked about how hard it was, and it s-
• 20:19
  continues to be, how hard it is for me to actually, explain something within
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  three minutes, for the most part.
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  That's a hard thing for me to do.
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  It's not easy.
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  And so, you know, you wonder how to do things, like how to…
• 20:31
  You know, I'm used to doing podcasting.
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  I'm already at like, you know, almost, 25 minutes, for this episode, and I'm
• 20:36
  like, "Oh, okay. How am I supposed to explain this in three minutes?" But again,
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  it's you pick one idea, you follow it up and, you try and do as what you can.
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  But you gotta put it in your workflow.
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  You gotta make sure that you put it in your day.
• 20:48
  Even with Ocean Decoded Live, I wanted to go live with it a couple
• 20:50
  weeks ago, and as I was trying to do it, I wasn't prepared.
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  So I have to prepare myself to get ready live because you're live.
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  There's no room for editing, there's no room for anything like that.
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  You're live, so if you mess up, you mess up.
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  If you take your time, you take your time.
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  It's a very different experience, and it's a fun experience that I'm looking
• 21:06
  forward to challenging myself, but to do all those, it's a difficult thing.
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  It's almost like a full-time job.
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  Not quite, but it's almost like a full-time job.
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  But if you get it down, then you're like, "Okay, now I know what I need to do,
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  and I can do it." So I think that's an important aspect to how we go about doing
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  social media and science communication.
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  It really comes down to the workflow.
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  Which is, by the way, what I'm gonna be talking about at IMCC8,
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  International Marine Conservation Congress, in Edinburgh, Scotland.
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  It's November 13th to the 17th, I believe, and it's gonna be a lot of fun.
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  I highly recommend you go there.
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  I'm not getting sponsored to promote this, but it's something that I
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  feel like is, a great way to have a conversation with me on the workflow,
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  because I know a lot of you wanna do science communication but you can't find
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  the time, and I completely understand.
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  But if you're ever looking to have a chat, we can do that live right in
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  Edinburgh, Scotland, on those days.
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  I'd love to sit down and chat with you to see how we can make that happen.
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  But that's it for today's episode.
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  If you have any questions about YouTube, live streaming, anything like that, I'd
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  be happy to have a conversation with you.
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  Just hit me up on my socials.
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  You can look in the show notes and also check me out on Ocean
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  Decoded Live, Mondays to Thursdays.
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  Maybe even Fridays, but we'll do Monday to Thursdays for now, at 4:00
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  PM Eastern, and see what I'm up to.
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  But I wanna thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the
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  How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
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  Have a great day.
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  We'll talk to you next time, and happy conservation.