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"Am I Cool?" - LSPTPod 50th Episode Special w/Benji & Sophia · Linen Suit & Plastic Tie

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Ah, I welcome. Welcome everyone to the 50th
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episode of the linen suits and plastic tie podcast.
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This is the podcast, we work to unlock the amazing, the Epic,
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the cool, the amazing. Again, the suspenders, this
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cunning the Epic, again. How our storytelling?
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And you everyday lives, I'm going with it on Kevin.
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Welcome to episode 50. Well, today we are joined by two
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of our favorite. People are closest friends are
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amazing. People that mean a lot to us,
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people who have seen us grow over the last seven or so years,
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one of them you recognize she's been on the show before she's
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been on every season of this show.
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She has been listening to every single episode since the first
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one came out, ladies and gentlemen, one of the very few
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people on Earth, who knew about the podcast, besides Kevin, I
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before it launched. Sophia Costas.
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Every time we actually guys, you told her about the podcast
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before you did, you did, did I? Yes, we her and her fiance were
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at the apartment. I was staying at and you told
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her Yeah. And I'm waiting to become a big
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part of it because my mom might listen to this and she might
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find out someone else knew before her.
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And that's gonna be a problem for me.
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If you don't think that's gonna be a problem.
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For, you've never met my mother. I don't know.
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I feel like your mom likes me, so maybe because it's me.
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My mom loves you. But she was annoyed that she
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didn't know before the first episode came out.
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I didn't work. We didn't tell anyone, but
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before we keep going, we have one more person to introduce.
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We talked about him. Before on the show he is known
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as Captain America. Ladies and gentlemen.
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Benjamin Brandt say hi Benji. Hey, how are you?
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Hey, I'm Benji. Evidently I was smart or scarily
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stupid enough to live with these folks for four years and I
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happen to run into Sophia more on more than one occasion.
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I'm just happy to be here. All right, as is our usual
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segment to start off the show for Benji and Sofia, let's start
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off. By telling everyone a little bit
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about yourself. What is your story?
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And when we get a Sofia, how has your story changed since you
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asked, I have been on the show, you know, it's really funny, but
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we were like before this year getting said trying to start
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recording. I completely blanked out that we
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do this 49 times. It's a core part of the show.
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Oh, I completely forgot. We start out with, what's your
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story? That is why that is how nervous
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I am for this. So Angie was time.
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A few, what's your story? Well, I guess the the best place
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to start is probably the beginning.
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So I was born in Buffalo. That doesn't really carry over a
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whole lot into me in the present day except I'm a big Buffalo
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Bills. Fan, go, Joshua Allen go,
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Buffalo Bills and all the misery before Josh Allen other than
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that. Like, you know, mainly a
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California Kid That most of my life.
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In La, I went to UCLA with you, wonderful people for college,
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and I study computer science that kind of led me into
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software engineering as a career.
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So I do currently, I work at a start-up based out of New York
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called mad Hive, and that's kind of doing anything and everything
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depends on the day. What had I'm wearing before
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that? I was working in self-driving
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cars, kind of looking at how you do you simulate them?
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How do you test them? How do you make sure they're
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kind of doing the things are supposed to be doing?
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Yeah and so I've been able to I think already get a pretty wide
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gamut of experiences and I'm excited to see where it goes
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from here. I'm curious to if because what
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kind of harping on you guys dislike put a typical new
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listener, right? Who's kind of just gone into the
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show little bit. Have listened to a few episodes
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long time ago. But you've been bouncing around.
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So Marco episodes. Did you feel the the the quality
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change? Yes.
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Okay, talks like that. Well, I mean, it's from Little
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Things, the big things right in the beginning, you guys are
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clearly kind of nervous. You know, you have lower quality
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microphones but the content is still there and then as it goes
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along it's really just the microphones are getting better,
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your comfortability with talking about whatever it happens to be
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for the weak or talking with each other or bantering with a
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guest. It's all kind of settling in and
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settling out to where you listen to.
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Like I listen to an episode from December 2020 and then I listen
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to an episode. Whatever.
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Your most recent one was You can really really feel the
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difference and it's all like, very good and it kinda reminds
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me of there was some YouTubers watching the other day said,
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something very similar where it's like, you go out and you
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throw out your first 10 or 50 or 100, whatever episodes and it's
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kind of as a learning experience.
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And it's a way that's where, you know, you have some number and
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suddenly you look back and you're like, wow, this is as
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professional as I ever wanted it to be you know and I think a
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part of it for me coming from actually MKBHD.
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Yeah, monkey spoony. I remember this video, he did,
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we're obviously, he's one of the 12 top YouTubers, very
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professional unlike us. This is his full-time career and
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he's very successful at it. And something he said in one of
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his videos, while ago is, like he said, go back, go to my
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YouTube channel and go to my old sword by oldest to newest and
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watch the first episode. If you're a fan of mine and you
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watching my video and you're like, oh, I can't do that, I'm
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not a professional. I don't have professional
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cameras on a special, anything, go back and listen to watch my
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first episode. You'll eyes that you can do.
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You might be intimidated by my current episode of all the money
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in the fall was everything. I'd have, if you go back to my
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first episode, especially Aztec has changed and everything's
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become more professional that you can do.
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And that was a huge concept for the show.
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Was that looking back, 50 episodes.
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We've grown so much we've changed so much, you become
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better story, tell us a text on it better, but if you go back to
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our first episode, even though the guests was amazing, I don't
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want to discredit dr. Taylor Prescott Johnson who he
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loved. The audio quality was terrible.
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I think I was recording on a lavalier mic like we tried our
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best, but hand, it's a change. But anyways, welcome back,
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Sofia. Why don't you introduce yourself
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since we had some technical difficulties and say and what is
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your story? Well hello everyone.
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Glad to be back since I've been on the show prior I don't want
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to give the same story I guess. And I also think the version of
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my story if you will that I gave prior really was driven by
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career and I am currently not in the mood to focus their, I do
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still work in the same field its user experience design strategy,
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applied to analytics I'm still in Tech different company doing
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my thing. That's all fine.
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But I'm going to place where that's not my entire life and
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I'm very glad that that's the case.
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So we're not to focus there instead.
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I guess we can focus on the other side, my life, otherwise
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story-wise. I guess my story has evolved
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from personal relationships, I went from being in a very
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long-term committed relationship to that relationship becoming
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being engaged and currently planning weddings, that's a very
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exciting new stage of my life, moving into a stage of life
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where we're looking at, you know, buying property and
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settling down into like, Single family homes, things like that.
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So it's more starting a new story as I guess, from me for my
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personal, life standpoint, a story as a An official family if
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you will for me and your family unit and what that looks like.
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So I would say that's that's my updated story as opposed to
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talking about career stuff because you know, wedding just
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seems more exciting and Jazzy. Anyways, right.
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Yeah, well, congratulations, I'm getting engaged.
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Obviously this is the first time we're hearing about it.
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But yeah. So we're really excited for
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Sofia getting engaged and I think this is an interesting
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question, what is your story? And we talked about it in blue.
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Leaf in past 49 episodes but exactly what you were saying
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Sophie about how the last time you talked about more career
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space. Because that's where your mind
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was at or that was the place you in your life.
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And now that you're you moved on to a more very adult engaged in
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building a family that is taking a more prominent place in your
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life. I think this is why we ask that
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question, what is your story and we are able to mind so much
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information from about the person would just meeting from
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that question because the way they frame their life where they
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frame, what's important Way they frame the characters in their
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life and that's its kind of see what's important to them, in
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that sense and then ask questions based on it, right?
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And that's why we always no matter how much research we do
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on the guests, we didn't do any research on either of you.
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I'm sorry, we've known you guys better part of a decade.
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So we didn't do any actual research, but no matter how much
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we research the guests, we find it very refreshing and important
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to let them frame their story, and then go after that, and then
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change our questions based on that.
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Because if we come in thinking, we know, Them it's just not
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going to work, right? It just can be very still and
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it's going to make them feel like they have to perform in
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that box. And while any type of recording,
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you performing some sort of box, we preferred letting them flame
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this story. Yeah, I mean we touched upon
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that over and over to you are supposed to tell your own story,
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and we get that agency. And in that power to everyone,
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we bring onto our show, because we're as much as Inches said and
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learn about their storytelling techniques and stuff.
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Everyone has a unique and interesting story and we like to
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hear it their way the way they want to tell it.
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Speaking of which I just thought of a question for Benji as we
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were setting up earlier, I think gaurav ask this question, what
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was your first impression of him?
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So let's bring That, let's bring that question on to record.
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What was your first impression of him and to this Bunch?
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Because that's how we started to know each other.
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When we met each other in college.
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I think the real question is, is what was his first impression of
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the email that Goro? No, I was gonna say, I'm gonna
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say, that's not the email. That's not, that's not a pie.
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We're talking about the email now.
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So, so for context I came to UCLA from Pittsburgh.
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Pittsburgh is where I went to high school.
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And so I'm coming into this concept of, like, I'm going to
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be a college student. I have to now get to know all
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these new people. This is frightening and
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exciting, and all that fun stuff that comes with college.
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And we get our random roommate assignments because I got
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randomly assigned, not only a community and UCLA to live in
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but a random set of Roommates as well.
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And it's like, okay there's like five people.
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None of these names are really popping out to me.
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Me, let's kind of see if anybody breaks the ice and wouldn't you
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know it you get a little email in your inbox from gaurav and
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he's talking about essentially himself.
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So actually let me see if I can pull up the email.
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I might I might read it a little bit.
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Here we go to know. Okay.
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It's titled. Its title to Hitch.
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Roommates and it says, hello, it appears.
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You are all going to be roommates next year.
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I'm really excited to meet you all.
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My name is Cora. I'm a technologist geek and a
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business economics. From Toronto, Ontario Canada.
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Exclamation point. My hobbies include TV comic
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books and programming and my ultimate goal in life is to
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start my own technology oriented company.
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I'm moving my stuff into the hitch on 15th.
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When are you? I do, however have one living
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constraint and he goes on to talk about his allergies and
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then we have at the very end. He says once again I am so
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excited to meet you all question mark thank you Gorham.
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Okay question mark was that? I don't know if it was a typo.
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I think I think knowing, you know, the question mark is
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definitely right up your alley. I think that fits your whole
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mode of like I'm so excited but like nervous at the same time,
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the to the question stands been the question man's what we hear
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the ocean. So from that I was like okay
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this is interesting. This guy is going to be is going
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to be a character and I remember I showed it to my older brother
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Mark and I was like, yeah. So what do you think about this?
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And he was like, that guy's going to have your back and I
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was like, Okay, I'll stick with that.
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I'm going to take that going into it.
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And then I remember you show up the move-in day, the big nerves
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and, you know, your parents are crying and you're crying.
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And I walked into my room for the first time and corals like,
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hunched over his suitcase with his dad.
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Like, fiddling around a little bit.
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I remember, they both kind of turned around stood up and
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walked over and like shook my hand were like hi, I'm a show
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kind of Aura ever being like damn Mark was right, very cute,
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very cute, great email. I mean, it became such a running
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joke. Look like frat boy, one who
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talked about before on the show ended up posting on his
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Instagram when that was his graduation Post.
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Yeah, I think know, he's graduation is a photo of him and
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then he just quoted the Bayou or the like the caption was the
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email and let's not forget. You also sent a new iteration of
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that email every single year. So there is a good option in
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joke because we didn't give it for years.
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So every year they got a new email, every email we Gail did
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the past of the horrible roommates.
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I had lived with the year before which was Was also them, so.
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I think every single one included the once again I'm so
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excited to meet you all question mark and the question mark are
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big and bigger but you just like, you know, what was the
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first impression of Kevin I thought it was really cool.
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I remember there is this common room called the kitchen and so
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there's a bunch of people coming in.
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We're trying to, you know, get get to meet people and I
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remember Kevin just kind of came up to me and he's like, tall and
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a little lanky. And was just like, hey, I'm
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Kevin, like, how are you? And I was like, oh, I'm Benjy.
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Like, what are you into? And he started talking about
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basketball and just kind of generally, I think we somehow
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got on the topic of EA Sports, like NBA games.
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I was just like, okay, Kevin's also up my alley and like, That
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I think proceeded over the course of the Year where like by
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the end of freshman year, even though Kevin wasn't actually a
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roommate group, just like Kevin's are grooming.
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Like he is The Unofficial like seventh roommate and by
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unofficial, I mean official because you might as well just
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move a bed in and death, then we made it official the next year
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when you actually moved in with us and we kept it this the same
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group ever since then, you know, something you would type it
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early. I do.
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I want to dig into you. You mentioned cool when this
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time Kevin. Yeah.
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I'm curious what you guys think of the monarch of cool.
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I think. And I think this is a lot to my
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own bag is in the stories. I tell myself, but I've been
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thinking a lot about what this cool mean to me the word cool,
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the story. Cool.
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And usually the anti come up with is cool is everything.
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I'm not right obviously very toxic obviously in here in the
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untrue, but I think because I kind of didn't have a lot of
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friends in high school. I didn't date at all.
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I wasn't doing that. The thing that in the high
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school movie is the cool kids, right?
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I didn't have it, then the journey way became cool at the
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end of the movie, right? I never felt cool and as I've
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like and I feel like right now especially I'm working with some
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really cool people. I feel like everyone I work with
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around. Me is cool in my new job.
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I'm excited to evaluate what I think cool is that you for a
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long time? I was just like, I'm not cool.
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I'm okay with that. That's cool.
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I'm not cool. That's cool.
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I'm okay with that but I'm trying to realize that's
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actually can be very limiting, right?
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Where I feel like maybe I don't belong in certain I was like, I
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don't belong out partying every night or like, doing this and
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stuff and or maybe these are stuff.
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I don't actually want to do, but I feel like that's a cool person
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would do. So I'm curious what you guys
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think of the word, cool. And is it a label that you find
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empowering? Like you find yourself?
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Cool. Or is it kind of intimidating?
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Because you don't find yourself core.
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I think the way that I think about cool is normally almost
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synonymous with ambience something.
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Like, oh, that's cool or they're cool.
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I'm envious of them, but I think it's slightly.
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Different than what you're saying, because Gora when you
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say, say it's toxic that almost implies to me that it's like a
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interpreted as like a self-loathing and I don't I
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don't it doesn't mean that like There is nothing great about me
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or there's nothing cool about me.
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If I think something else is cool because I don't have those
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qualities, I just don't have those qualities.
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I can still have cool qualities. I can still in the things that I
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think other people might be envious of, right?
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Like I don't think it's binary or all or nothing.
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I think that for me, it just means envious of that particular
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quality. And that's why it's kind of
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ambiguous because it's not like cool is effortless or cool is
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whatever. It's just sort of like, in
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essence of being envious of Leti, that somebody else has.
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And that's why I think, you know, for one person, it could
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be going out and partying, like, for the folks on this call who
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know me, I will never be like, oh man, that's so cool.
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They go out partying every night because that's the counter
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opposite of who I am. And it's nothing that I like
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strive to be as a person. So that's nothing that's ever
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going to like spark my mind. But for orbit does because I
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think it's so driven by what you personally like have I don't
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know, just it's what I have when I'm anxious about its what?
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The story, I tell myself, it's like I think for me, it's
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because I know we've all talked about this in various ways.
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I want to be everything, always the max, right?
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I want to do everything always like, I want to be meditating
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real, antique camera do, but I also want to be out every night
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and doing this cool things and feeling cool, and I think it
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does come a lot from that story that we have decades now.
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Pattern site that we built in our head and neural networks, a
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things that we built in our minds.
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And I think for me this feeling of uncool and that that phrase,
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cool has always felt like not me, right?
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So I don't see it as healthy as you do Sophia, where like you
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have aspects that you feel cool. I feel like it's just like, it's
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unattainable thing and it's a story.
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I know it's not true and I know there's a lot of things but it's
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like, it's that story of like cool, is this unobtainable
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object? So then I started so
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Associating. Okay, what is cool and I start
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associating things like cool is what I see on Instagram and so
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I'm not on in scale. But cool is what I see an answer
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whether here or like, what the guys, and caught in high school
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would doing when I was at home, studying, or working or reading
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comic books, right? And I felt, I spent so much time
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trying to be okay with not being cool.
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I didn't really take the time to understand that story that was
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building my head and so it became this like mythical Fein
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that was kind of always unattainable.
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It's interesting. You also attribute uncool to
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things. The only time I think I use it
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in that context is more as an idiom.
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Like that's not cool man. And that to me just means like
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it's inappropriate. I like, completely forgot that
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that was even a legitimate word that you could look up in the
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dictionary and see a definition for because it seems so foreign
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to me to think of someone or something as uncool just in the
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sense that like their dorky or they lack don't know, they don't
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have good Style. Tile or whatever it is, I don't
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know. Yeah, I think I think that's not
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uncommon to have this narrative that they're the cool people,
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they go and they do the cool things and they're like this
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kind of thing you live up to or try to live up to.
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And if you're not, you're not cool.
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Right? And I think it's interesting
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because I would at least perceive that in some of the
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media, I was consuming and to some extent at some point.
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I don't know, when I kind of just said a screw that like, my
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kind of interpretation of cool and special.
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When I said Kevin was cool as kind of like, You have the
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understanding of who you are and what you like, and you're
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totally feeling free to be authentic about that and you're
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also chill enough to say, hey, that person likes that thing
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that's cool too, right? That's kind of way I interpret
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it as more of a I'm confident who I am, and I like what I am.
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And also, you, like what? You like that's awesome to like,
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there's no ideal I guess to strive for.
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There's just stuff that we like to do.
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Yeah. And I flip flop.
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I think when I'm not sleeping enough, drinking enough water if
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I'm not, like when I'm not feeling confident, I definitely
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go to the place. Like I'm not cool and it's as I
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am. I struggle with social
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comparison like Ayo. I have a long time, I think this
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would cool and I think I spent the first half of this year
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really focused on forgiving my past selves.
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I'm forgiving them for not taking more chances on forgiving
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them for not doing the things that I see as cool.
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Right or To make more friends or like, going out and doing all
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these things. I'm forgiving them because I'm
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realizing that they are very particular.
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I'm talking about my past sales in the third person, they were
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just trying their best, they were just out there doing their
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best, you know? And I think it has so much to do
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with this concept of cool. We're like in therapy, the
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reason this coming up for me because a video today, I was
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like talking about like oh I don't feel cool like all this
21:36
stuff but cool and then my favorite housing Is that what
21:39
you think or is, right? It is really like we didn't dive
21:42
too deep in it, but as we had that moment of, oh, oh, it's a
21:45
story. I'm defining.
21:46
What I think all is. It's a story that I am choosing
21:50
its story that I have built in my mind and that's like you were
21:53
saying earlier, Sophia, it's a story, I can change.
21:56
There's also this aspect of expectation vs reality.
22:00
I think we all, you know, before we got into college, you see,
22:06
you know, movies or TV shows that Or tray, the college
22:10
experience, right? That that that's quintessential
22:13
and the Very fact that we keep emphasizing.
22:17
The college is not the best four years of your lives over and
22:21
over also comes with like the premise that, you know, this is
22:26
supposed to be an extremely fun time, or a can very well be.
22:31
But then, you know, we've all graduated and we've have very
22:36
full, I think college. Experiences, all of us in a lot
22:43
of those days are, you know, playing or stressful or whatnot
22:47
but I think we can all look back at those days and reflect on it
22:51
and say we've had really fun times and in college some of
22:56
those experiences matched with what we imagined.
23:01
Right? There's there's a lot of very
23:04
spontaneous fun moments. Also a lot of those days were
23:07
not That you can find anywhere on any shows or movies but you
23:14
know, we lit that and I think there is this idea of what we
23:18
see in media, right? And the stories we consume and
23:21
how these stories tell us certain things.
23:23
And when we watch a lot of them that have similar themes like
23:26
this is what life supposed to be and is that would to of like
23:29
supposed to be right? Where we all believe there's a
23:31
path was supposed to be on for me, it has much to do with my
23:35
career, like this is happening socially on.
23:37
I'm terrified of Like wasting time.
23:40
Like I might have to always be moving taking every opportunity
23:43
because it's the story of like this.
23:44
What I'm supposed to be doing I should be doing and I think one
23:49
of the stories that that I think today prolific is the one in a
23:53
million story that sometimes it can be.
23:56
I find really, really tough to kind of deal with is this idea
24:01
that we over index on the one-in-a-million story, right?
24:04
This idea that this is the, if I go to this event, I might meet
24:07
this person who's going to be My co-founder or be the love of my
24:10
life because the mundane parts of life don't become movies,
24:15
right? It's my secret said, this about
24:17
the social network, the hours, and hours of him sitting in
24:20
front of a computer coding, isn't entertaining for a movie,
24:23
right? But the moment where he met
24:26
Eduardo Saverin, that could be entertaining, right?
24:29
So, I think sometimes I get in my mind, I sometimes I think as
24:32
a society, we over index on the one-in-a-million story, because
24:36
we feel like all, we see all these movies.
24:38
So if I don't go go out to their.
24:40
So do this or attend this, even if it doesn't feel right, I
24:43
might miss out on my one-in-a-million moment.
24:46
Yeah, I read that statement, but I also think it's swings both
24:48
ways. In terms of like that pressure
24:50
isn't always a negative thing, right?
24:53
It's a negative thing. When it gets to the point where
24:55
you're like, oh my gosh, I have to spread myself so thin because
24:59
otherwise, I'm not living College to the fullest, right?
25:01
When you're not sleeping, you're not eating, you're living off
25:03
soil ends and your instead just, you know, spending Your time
25:09
going from older sleeping and eating, I had other stuff.
25:12
Yeah, gummy bears and Zoila and I wouldn't call it gummy bears.
25:16
Orange juice was the perfect. Pre-exam Stan.
25:20
I think, you know, like that's obviously a problem, but if
25:22
you're on the other extreme to, then you don't get opportunities
25:26
to meet people to hear other perspectives because if you're
25:29
like, man, they'll be another one.
25:30
It doesn't matter. I don't need to go to anything,
25:32
right? You don't grow, you, don't meet
25:34
people, you don't move. So like it's sort of like being
25:37
stressed, right? I think something that you said
25:39
earlier, were like too much of anything is bad, but like having
25:43
it as a motivator, where it's like, okay, well, maybe I should
25:47
go because maybe I'll meet, someone doesn't have to be the
25:49
love of my life, but maybe I'll meet someone interesting and
25:51
that makes it, you know, worthwhile having those stories
25:55
in your head that motivate you to try things.
25:59
Yeah, you have the opportunity to be let down, but at least
26:01
you, like, when coming from someone who often didn't go,
26:06
because A lot of those things for me, I already felt like
26:09
we're set in stone, right? I wasn't looking to find the
26:13
love of my life because I already had I wasn't trying to
26:17
meet my business partner. My Venture capitalists funder
26:22
because I had no idea what I want to do with my life and so I
26:24
was like I'm just going to study in my room and that was fine.
26:28
That was the goal. There was no like further
26:29
picture and so I didn't go and have as many I think of those
26:34
sort of fun memories that maybe you would get a college and it's
26:36
not something I regret like, It is what it is but I think I
26:40
think there's a happy medium. So my point is like I know I
26:43
know where you're coming from and I understand that for you in
26:47
some ways it went to an extreme that you're not pleased with but
26:49
I think there are a lot of gems that came out of your four years
26:53
that you wouldn't have had if you had been maybe as
26:58
disciplined with yourself and be like, no, I'm gonna go to bed at
27:01
9:00 and eat real food and take care of all the things rather
27:06
than having that fun night out. Out, you know, and Westwood or
27:09
whatever it was. Yeah, I was going to say
27:13
something similar, I think you pushed us I think in some
27:17
pursuit of cool to to go out and do some of these things that I
27:19
look back on very fondly. I mean, you like to say that you
27:22
we wouldn't have any pictures if it weren't for you, right?
27:23
And that's very true. And I think there's a lot of
27:26
events that we went to. I'm thinking of the last time we
27:29
went bar-hopping before covid, right, that you really
27:33
instigated and pushed for. And so whether that came from
27:35
perhaps a place where you can think back and look at, maybe I
27:37
can take Less seriously. It also, I think ultimately did
27:40
lead to some positive results and so it's kind of that given
27:43
taken too much of anything or too little of anything can be
27:48
problematic in some way. It's not even like, I need to
27:51
accomplish these goals, but I need to try.
27:54
It's almost like it's not even like I need to have those want
27:56
to marry moments but I me still need to show up and for me
27:59
effort in the sense of even like time committed to something.
28:05
Is soothing if I can tell myself, I commit a time to it.
28:09
I went for an hour because I even found this way building
28:13
events where I would go and I would talk to someone.
28:16
I talked to flee, people I'd go for an hour, I felt really
28:19
fulfilled because I went for now, but then I started
28:21
realizing oh I'm not really open or trying to make these deeper
28:25
connections I'm just trying to go for an hour, talk to free
28:27
people and feel good about it, you know.
28:29
So I think it's that contradiction where part of it
28:33
is. I want to do everything, see
28:36
everything I want to feel like I tried.
28:40
I think I'm searching to feel like I tried in the be okay with
28:43
it because if I don't try, then I'm way down myself.
28:46
Why did I go away and go? But even if I do try and like, I
28:49
just have the check marks. I feel good.
28:52
I have an analogy, that's a real example, but it's much.
28:56
It's much lighter too much sillier, but it reminds me of
28:59
sort of a moral. I think you're overlooking all
29:02
of these so you all didn't know me.
29:04
My Swing year of college. Because, I mean, you're older.
29:07
You listed before we met you, I know it's wild.
29:11
I'm not just a secondary character in your life, but that
29:15
when, when I packed for freshman year, my wardrobe looked like I
29:23
was going to rush a sorority. The viewers don't understand how
29:27
absurd that is. But the people on this, this
29:30
call do because I wore PJ's all four years outside to class.
29:34
It didn't matter. I did not will wear real clothes
29:38
and I went to college as one of these people sort of like what
29:41
Kevin was talking about of, like you have this imaginary idea of
29:46
what colleges and I was like, I wasn't that person high school
29:49
either. I was just like, I'm starting
29:51
over and I'm going to be cutesy and girly and care about this
29:55
stuff and go be social, and I think it lasted a grand total of
30:00
a week before it fell off. and, I did have moments where I was
30:06
like, I'm not being social enough, I'm not gonna make
30:09
friends. I consider joining the community
30:12
service, frat on campus to meet people.
30:15
And I did none of those things. Ultimately, I went back to no
30:20
makeup hair in a bun glasses, pajamas everywhere.
30:26
And I worked through the moments of maybe not being super pleased
30:31
that I didn't reinvent myself. I wasn't, you know, this cutesy
30:36
girly whatever but more importantly, I think when I look
30:39
back in retrospect it's more a taught me more about like, Who I
30:43
am because it forced me to prioritize like do I as a person
30:48
is it more important to me? Does it bring me more joy?
30:50
Does it make me feel more fulfilled to get up in the
30:53
morning? Look in the mirror and be like I
30:55
feel pretty or does it bring me more joy to spend that time
31:00
talking to someone? I love and maybe not getting
31:04
dressed as early. Or does he bring me more joy to
31:06
go for a run around campus, come back quickly.
31:08
Put my hair in a bun after showering and go to class
31:11
knowing that I don't. Look cute.
31:14
I don't feel like I'm gonna grab anyone's attention.
31:16
I'm like, am I okay with that? And in retrospect, I realize?
31:19
Yeah, yeah and so I think there's probably opportunities
31:23
there for you to even think about like what it means on a
31:26
higher level, where you're implicitly, making choices of
31:29
like, I feel icky if I don't do this versus like I didn't do
31:34
that and I'm kind of okay with it because it's like those
31:36
situations for should prioritize because you can't do everything.
31:38
So what is most important to you?
31:40
What do you value? And if it makes you feel icky,
31:43
That might be a signal that, what you are prioritizing isn't
31:47
aligned with like your whore. And then again, it's your story.
31:51
So you can change it. Yeah.
31:53
And I think that's one of the values of this show for me is
31:56
that when you become hyper aware of stories, like we have through
32:01
what we read, who talked to favorite people, dr.
32:05
Dre, Andre lotterer, Mandy start to Cassie homes.
32:08
Like these amazing psychologist about on the show where we talk
32:10
about storytelling and how it's like, I'm ready to happiness and
32:13
time and energy and how we perceive ourselves and we learn
32:16
how much of this is in our control.
32:19
It's been amazing. And I think that's been the
32:21
biggest thing for me. Because, and we're talking about
32:23
this and people are like, I think, if you, I'm concerned,
32:26
people listen to show like, say this is the first episode.
32:28
They like, oh, they're saying the word storytelling, a lot or
32:30
therefore seen stories into this?
32:33
Or you're like, is that a, what's a story, right?
32:37
I don't think we are. I think we've just become hyper
32:40
aware of stories and that has helped us say, okay, we have
32:45
control over this. This is just a story, there is
32:47
no objective, reality of cool. There's no Active reality of how
32:51
you're supposed to do college. These are all individual
32:54
stories. We've learned from society, our
32:56
parents ourselves, our peers, the situation we were in, and
33:00
that it allows me to be like, okay, I have control over that
33:04
and it's not like, I don't want any think, it's a switch.
33:06
I'm like, oh, now that we've had this conversation.
33:08
I see cool as story syllabus, which I'm fine.
33:10
I'm never going to think of it. Again, that's not true.
33:13
It's gonna bother me tomorrow. It's gonna bother me tonight.
33:15
Sing about me, that's one, but I'm playing able to approach it
33:18
a bit more objectively as a nap. Abstract story helps.
33:22
It allows me to step in force myself to confront that and over
33:26
time, I can move on to my next in Sia T, right?
33:32
And I think that's one of my favorite parts of the show.
33:34
Not just the psychologist, we talked to at the comedian's, you
33:37
talk to every single guest. In some way has taught us about
33:41
that at Otis about objective, reality of Storytelling, and how
33:45
we have a lot of control over that what we perceive.
33:47
And what we say, then we fought And one thing I'm curious about
33:53
having everyone here, this is your first time on a podcast.
33:57
I'm going to assume yes. Yeah.
33:59
How different does it feel? And this is more for you and
34:02
self and then we can answer it after.
34:04
How different does it feel than just a normal conversation?
34:06
Do you feel right now that you have to seem smarter that your
34:10
sentences have to see more coherent?
34:13
Do you still feel like maybe you're trying to put on some
34:15
sort of image right now? I think there's definitely some
34:20
effect of performative - anytime there is a camera involved.
34:23
I don't necessarily think that it's like a bad thing or that
34:27
you are not necessarily giving your authentic self, but to some
34:30
extent, I know where the camera is and I know how it's looking
34:32
at me. I know kind of how I sound on
34:35
video or a non audio, right? And even to some extent, just in
34:40
terms of not being able to get fully into a conversation
34:42
because maybe you hear feedback from a mic or you see yourself
34:46
on a screen somewhere, right? But I think for the most part,
34:50
it still, It was like a pretty normal conversation, Sofia.
34:55
Um, I'm very introverted by Nature, so it's definitely very
35:00
different for me because when I know I'm going to be doing
35:06
something, we're in this case, it's like I have made a
35:09
commitment to do this for show. I want to put my best foot
35:11
forward for you guys because you're my friends and I don't
35:14
want to be, you know, the worst most dull person ever on the
35:19
show. Because I want you guys succeed.
35:22
I feel compelled to go, okay? Going to charismatic mode tribe.
35:27
Be a little bit more energetic so it's very tiring for me.
35:30
Um, I do it in real life too and certain conversations when I
35:33
feel like oh I have to come off as more Charming's like turn it
35:37
on and so it's not just something for this podcast but
35:40
it's not my natural state. So I think from that standpoint
35:43
it definitely is different and a bit more tiring than I would say
35:49
my Baseline. I'm of where maybe you know,
35:51
where is having a weekly chat? Like, I think this weekly chat
35:55
or was like Sofia, say something.
35:57
Like, don't just stare say something, right?
36:00
So it's a different Dynamic where I'm trying to, at least be
36:05
a little bit more energetic because of, you know, the nature
36:08
of what we're doing. Yeah, it's interesting for sure.
36:13
I think with a lot of guests, in the early days we were trying to
36:16
sustain and release my right. We were, we were in, we've
36:19
talked about this to work. This is running struggles.
36:21
We have with the personal episodes, where were really
36:25
concerned the guy. One of the things I value most
36:28
is any listener giving us this time?
36:30
It is such a gift for a listen and say, you know what, there's
36:33
thousands of podcasts out there by amazing experts like I love
36:38
podcasts yawns, I listen to podcasts, can't Easily.
36:40
So I know how many amazing podcast there with amazing
36:43
people. So, and the fact that anyone
36:45
gives us a minute of their time, I value so much.
36:48
So, with these personal episodes, that Kevin is kind of
36:50
forced me to do. I am terrified of them because
36:53
I'm like, how am I going to be energized?
36:55
How am I going to tie everything together?
36:57
How am I going to get people to listen to this one and then keep
37:00
listening to our show because I'm almost like if you're
37:02
listening this, that's great. But definitely listen to one of
37:04
the ones with the experts, right?
37:05
Because those are the cool ones. Those are the people.
37:07
You need to hear there was one episode.
37:09
We did where Recorded. It was a personal episode is
37:12
Kevin me when it was uploaded. I wrote The Bayou for it and
37:16
Kevin turns me after I wrote the bio and says you know this this
37:19
sounds like you don't want anyone to listen to it, right?
37:22
The way I wrote The Bayou is like warning different kind of
37:25
episode warning. There's this not the main part
37:28
of the show. This is weird.
37:30
I almost wrote you're not going to learn anything and Kevin tetz
37:33
me. After I wrote The Bayou for this
37:34
episode and he said the sounds like you don't want a single
37:37
person to listen to it as I'm terrified.
37:40
You know, and I think over time, I think one thing that's really
37:44
helps with the show before I like Kevin answer is that we
37:47
approach this show as we are not at split storytellers, right?
37:52
We have never come to the show. I saying, hey, I'm here to t.i.
37:56
Go of am here to teach you something about storytelling?
37:58
No, we came to the show in the beginning because in the idea
38:02
from it came from the fact that we were doing my interviews and
38:05
we felt like we suck that storytelling.
38:07
So we could approach this, we can approach every If you guys
38:10
like would like the audience, which is the ones on the mic, we
38:14
are here to ask the expert. The questions we are here to
38:16
learn from you and that's why every season Kevin I are we at
38:20
the storytellers? No, we're not.
38:21
We're basically the audience and we're just asking questions for
38:24
the audience and that allows us to feel safer and puts more of
38:27
the pressure on the expert to be the advert.
38:29
So I find it hard to be like, why would anyone listen to this?
38:33
But I understand the reason we have these type of things is
38:36
once they get to know us better and to so we can set tie in
38:39
together and shows. Some of the storytelling
38:40
lessons, we learned from the beginning, then kind of like
38:45
sell the show, like, listen to the show, because we've gotten
38:48
better, we've got an objectively better storytelling in
38:51
understanding stories and talking ourselves, just by the
38:54
virtue of doing this show. And it's interesting, you asked
38:57
this question because, you know, I just just came back from a
39:03
vacation with my parents and One day and you know, I was driving
39:09
my dad suddenly went, you know, you sound very different when
39:14
you actually talk versus when you're on your pockets.
39:18
Like when I hear you talking to here ordered food and stuff, you
39:22
don't sound nervous at all. You are sentences flow very
39:25
freely. You're not worried about
39:26
anything and yeah, I'm just like, yeah.
39:31
Right? Because when I'm talking, when I
39:34
just talking, I'm not being recorded, I don't have to worry
39:37
about how I sound how the conversation come and go.
39:41
I when I'm recording, I want myself to sound like I'm putting
39:48
meaningful stuff out there because and I think we tested
39:54
this out too. Just as we were starting off on
39:58
the podcast recording should be different from actual Chit Chats
40:04
because Hence of silence or random talking in real life.
40:11
It's not going to sound as good when someone else is listening,
40:14
like it should be more meaningful.
40:16
And that's something I struggle with to the point where I do get
40:20
physically stiff, I think when I'm recording stuff, well, that
40:23
makes you feel better. Calves.
40:24
There was a point and I understand it was around the
40:28
time that you've got a better. Mike, that's not what it is.
40:33
You can I want to say it's season 2 but I can't remember
40:38
but like it's a very audible shift where it's like you come
40:43
into your own and you sound so much more confident, so much
40:48
more professional. And it's just like, I remember
40:51
when I was listening to, I was playing out loud.
40:53
My fiancée walking through was like that.
40:55
Kevin was like, yeah, he sounds really good.
40:57
I think Ricky sounds really legit.
41:00
So you're And pretty good on that front.
41:04
I would say like your voice sounds very robust.
41:07
You sound very confident you're very commanding.
41:09
Like it comes across very well even though it might be a bit
41:12
performative and you might still feel like you're faking it till
41:14
you make it from the audience perspective.
41:19
And what that lets do suspenders.
41:24
You have to suspend the question.
41:26
I don't but I know you have the deck of cards somewhere in this
41:29
apartment. You can you just done those and
41:33
syllable? Yeah.
41:35
Have to find the quiet. Give me 30 seconds.
41:39
So yeah, it was going to look for it and as he's doing that
41:43
suspenders is a quick segment. What I think.
42:08
And Sofia. Listen to what about the cast?
42:23
Its likes you I mean, I have a cob background so I tend to
42:30
gravitate more towards the episodes where it's, it's sort
42:34
of leaning towards how storytelling plays into like
42:39
your motivations and how that impacts the way you view
42:45
yourself, how you treat yourself.
42:46
So I think there's a reason why I might have been the most
42:48
recent or maybe like two or three ago where there's a lot of
42:52
conversation where Kevin sort of had an aha moment about like
42:55
yeah, I have days. We're like I literally do
42:58
nothing and that was hard for me at first because that felt
43:01
wrong. And having someone else validate
43:04
how that's not actually necessarily wrong and like it's
43:09
perfectly acceptable to have that even though it might not be
43:13
the narrative, that's Driven forward in a society like what?
43:19
We have here in the states. So I think things like that, I'm
43:22
kind of drawn to. I also end up being really drawn
43:25
to sort of like the human interest side of things.
43:27
So sometimes it's not even like About the storytelling learning
43:32
per se that you're trying to get across.
43:33
But like the storytelling of the individual guests that you have
43:36
and I find it compelling that comes out.
43:40
Sometimes do their what's their story, the beginning or through
43:42
the suspenders. We're just something.
43:43
Odd comes up like recently chickens or there is something
43:47
about like the, the lineup is that I've been trying to figure
43:50
out what it is, but I feel like that's the episode that I
43:52
remember the best and I still haven't sort of been able to
43:55
work through, why? But there's something about that
43:57
episode that like I remember it. The most clearly and it's not
44:01
even necessarily like the learnings out of it talking
44:04
about like how to tell stories from a marketing standpoint,
44:06
what that does for a product like wine.
44:09
It's something about just like the guests themselves and the
44:12
way they're able to convey the message, which is itself, a
44:16
story. So it's the meta story if you
44:18
want to convict like say it that way, that I find kind of
44:22
compelling it. A lot of the episodes
44:24
suspenders. I think has been my favorite
44:26
part of every episode. It really does feel like tuchman
44:28
authenticity earlier. Kind of performative deaths and
44:31
being on camera. That's the point where you can
44:35
kind of tell a little bit behind the mask of any given guests
44:39
even in just the way they choose to respond to it, right?
44:41
There's some people who instantly know the answer the
44:43
question because they like have thought about something like
44:45
this before or just engages them so much.
44:48
And there's other people who are like oh suspenders that's
44:50
interesting, right? And kind of take a step back and
44:52
you can see them or hear them processing it and I think for me
44:56
that gives you a nice little twist at the end where you go
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from. Here's this person who's an
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expert in these. And so, so it's a way is and
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here's all the things they talked about and then here's
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like a little window into their Humanity for just a moment.
45:09
And that makes me end up. Always looking forward to
45:11
suspenders Park. Kevin says, it's time for
45:12
suspenders and I'm like, heck, yeah, let's do this thing.
45:15
I think what's really interesting about what Benji's
45:17
saying is that like to me what that plays into is like I could
45:22
have the best story, but if you can't connect me as a person,
45:25
doesn't matter, right? So it's like, almost like having
45:28
that moment of being I'm like, I'm going to go back to the
45:32
chicken thing from like two episodes ago because it's just
45:35
really in my head right now, but the guest on the show said, you
45:38
know, they and possibly purchased a lot of chickens live
45:43
chickens and then the chickens did not make it and then they
45:45
were going to purchase more chickens.
45:47
And that's something that really, you know, humanized this
45:50
person like, oh, it's quirky, it's silly, but like it's a cute
45:54
like an accurate depiction of them and it sort of for, from a
45:57
cognitive standpoint. It's like, when you file this
45:59
information your brain, it gets five.
46:01
Child now with in my mind chickens, but more importantly
46:04
you've connected to this person. So you're going to it makes it
46:07
more memorable, right? Because otherwise, it's just
46:10
another story as opposed to connect it to a person that has
46:13
grounded and has some value exactly.
46:15
I mean dr. So how youth have Beth who
46:17
talked about the chickens and she's a cognitive neuroscientist
46:20
like one of the smartest people, one of my favorite people to
46:22
talk to and in this world where we get constantly, bombarded
46:26
with productivity porn or like, these are the things you have to
46:30
do. You have to wake up, dude?
46:31
Smelt. Eight clean yada yada or like
46:34
all these different clips and podcast with like this is the
46:36
secrets like this is life like all these different ways to
46:39
educate yourself. What makes it more memorable,
46:43
what makes it more human is Story Time, right?
46:47
That's the whole point by adding that bit of Storytelling to our
46:49
questions to our suspenders, you're remembering her lessons
46:53
more because they all choose the chicken lady, right?
46:55
By adding that Story Time by adding the linen and plastic to
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linen suit in plastic Ty you are elevating, the lesson, you are
47:04
connecting with it on a human level because that's what it is.
47:07
That's what soybean is. It's the oldest way we connect.
47:10
It's the way movies and television shows, become little
47:14
pills of pleasure where you can experience something in a social
47:18
way. Where you can feel Joy sadness,
47:21
we can catch the sun without actually having to go through
47:23
it, right? Storytelling is this amazing
47:26
skill that we use internally and externally that allows us us to
47:32
make these connections to have important moments to have these
47:35
memo things. And that's why we do this show.
47:38
So Kevin's looking at me right time and I'm so I'm gonna, I'm
47:43
gonna ask to suspend the question.
47:51
So this is where I'm in question.
47:53
I swear, first thing, I found. What song do you want to be the
47:55
first dance at your wedding? That's what Sophia Benji.
47:59
Yours is going to be what's on would make the best fee music
48:01
for you. I think the question of what the
48:05
music would go best with me, is something I thought about more
48:09
than once and I've settled on something that I really like,
48:12
just because it's kind of an upbeat sort of let's go take.
48:15
The seize the day kind of thing. It's hold on, I'm Comin by Sam &
48:18
Dave. It's just very, very positive.
48:22
Kind of like, you know, if anything is ever wrong, don't
48:24
worry. I'm coming.
48:25
I'm coming to help you out there and it's got like a nice kind of
48:30
trumpet backing to it. It's just, it's just a fun piece
48:32
of music. This one's not a hypothetical.
48:35
Our first-dance Song is First Day of My Life by bright eyes
48:40
that has been like are quote, unquote, sappy like song or like
48:44
the anthem of our relationship, we felt like Like, mainly?
48:46
Because of this one verse, that's the song.
48:50
I'm not gonna sing on this podcast.
48:51
I'm not gonna do it, but the song goes like, Shoot.
48:57
I have to sing it to think cocktail.
48:59
I don't want to sing on this podcast.
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It's like this is the first day of my life.
49:05
I swear, I was blind before I met you and then I just want
49:10
goes on, it talks about. Remember the time I drove all
49:14
night just to meet you in the morning.
49:18
And for those of you that don't know, my fiancée and I were long
49:22
distance for a number of years, not very far but in different
49:24
cities enough where he He would drive in the middle of the night
49:28
to meet me in the morning on weekends.
49:30
So we can have the maximum amount of time with me before he
49:33
had to drive back home. And there were times where it
49:36
would be like he drove in middle of night to be there for half a
49:40
day and then we drive back home so that it was that line.
49:43
Where, when we first heard the song we were like, that's our
49:47
relationship right there. And so that's going to be our
49:49
first dance song. And it's a bit more upbeat than
49:53
most like traditional slow dance songs, which I think also, Very
49:56
much fits our untraditional personalities.
49:59
So yeah, we've been we've known that one for a long before we
50:04
got engaged like that, that was nothing personal.
50:06
It's so cute, there's no such thing as too traditional
50:08
personality but I love that there is such thing as a
50:13
traditional wedding. I'm not going to turn your
50:14
podcast into a wedding at those. So we'll talk about that later
50:18
but now I love that. That's so sweet.
50:20
So cute and I was kind, I'm so excited but you're waiting for
50:25
songs. I think I work in entertainment
50:27
now and something I get asked a lot is, what's your favorite TV
50:31
show? Right?
50:32
Because I watch everything. I think that's an impossible.
50:35
Fucking question. I hate that question.
50:37
I can name you 10 of my favorite TV shows.
50:39
I continue my favorite TV show right now, so I think this is a
50:42
hard question, that's why I asked it.
50:45
So I'm going to tell you this on right now.
50:47
Just in this moment, I'm thinking about who I'd be from
50:51
the Shrek, The Musical. It's a great song I mean I love
50:56
musicals but it's a great song. It's kind of like they asked you
51:00
a cootie be if he could be anything because he's in he's an
51:03
ogre and he's been limited his whole life and he told one way
51:06
and it's like it's I guess I'm being a hero like storm and I
51:13
and clashing looking semi dashing, something beneath my
51:17
window or something like that. It's like something is goes in
51:22
about how he'd be a hero and then, at the end of the movie,
51:25
he becomes a hero right without having to change who he is.
51:28
And I fucking love that song. It's like Who You'd Be by his
51:32
ideas, are you here, all alone and it's not the tan, I dance to
51:36
for my wedding. That would be a slow song.
51:38
Slow version of. I think this is such a good
51:41
idea. I'm not going to get to do it
51:42
but be a slow version acoustic version of death of a bachelor
51:46
by Panic at the Disco. I think that would be an amazing
51:48
idea. Think about it, definitely bad.
51:50
You're so swollen version for your first dance.
51:52
Amazing idea. People are going to steal it
51:54
from this podcast, I know it. But anyways.
51:56
Yeah, I'm gonna have to use this bike because it's cleansing
52:01
cable and grow up took it off. So by accident I'd have to
52:08
restart my recording anyways, was complicated.
52:11
Anyways, it's on my themes on English rent in New York by
52:16
Sting. Like obviously there's the be
52:21
yourself, no matter what they say, but is too straightforward
52:25
too much for my taste, I just like how it starts off.
52:28
It's a proud Declaration of who you are, even though you're on a
52:37
Land. I'm an alien.
52:40
I'm a legal alien. I'm an Englishman in New York.
52:43
I'm a Chinese fan and all way, but that's on suits my sentiment
52:48
very much and gorgeous creamy to stall for more time.
52:54
I saw the thing it is fridge. Earlier, I did not realize that
53:00
he got this, you have another kind of Did you get a cake that
53:06
has 50 on it? Happy birthday.
53:18
Happy birthday! Happy birthday to you.
53:25
Okay, so I need ya to come sit between you and will send you
53:33
photos. Okay, well, I got a cake to
53:43
celebrate 50 episodes or Kevin and with all of you listeners
53:48
and and I just want to take a moment to thank everyone who's
53:56
listening to any of the episodes, shared any of this is
53:59
muted, isn't it? Okay?
54:02
Sorry my mic is muted. So I got this cake to celebrate
54:06
50 episodes on the canvas to us as I So, I got this cake below
54:12
to celebrate, 50 episodes with Kevin and all of our listeners.
54:17
We are so thankful for anyone who's listening to the show.
54:19
Anyone who's giving us time anyone who's decided, I'm going
54:23
to try to be a better Storyteller and Foo.
54:26
And of course, amazing guess I'm amazing at storytellers.
54:30
It means the world to us. We have learned so much about
54:32
storytelling and we hope you keep listening because there's
54:36
many more episodes to come and we are so proud to hit 50.
54:40
So proud to have made people better storytellers and was so
54:42
proud to keep learning about slowly time.
54:44
So thank you, we love you all. We love our friends, have a
54:48
guest and congratulations, buddy.
54:52
Let's blow this out. Let's make a wish we to 250
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more. Thank you, everyone.
55:05
This has been the 50th episode of the linen suit and plaster
55:09
type Podcast, we had some false starts, we had some technical
55:12
difficulties, but it wouldn't be the linen student past.
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I podcast about them, we love you.
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See you for the next 50, you're doing amazing, keep on being
55:21
you.