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S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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S1: the truth daily.
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S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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S2: that would make it worth it.
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S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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S3: the life source, which is God.
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S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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S1: and Crew.
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S5: The question isn't are we going to go through trials?
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S5: The question is, what are you going through? I have
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S5: I it's so true. I mean, I've found this to
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S5: be the case. We had an awesome time over the
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S5: weekend at both of our campuses here, where I help
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S5: a team of people and one of the pastors, and
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S5: it's an awesome, awesome team. But we've done something a
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S5: little bit different here going off this theory of revelation.
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S5: Revelation and response. I've done this years ago when I
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S5: was pastoring a church up in Alaska. Obviously, it's a
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S5: different church in Chicago. Uh, but we oftentimes have worship
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S5: songs that are at the front end. I think most churches,
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S5: even more traditional churches, kind of come in, sing a
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S5: few songs, and then you kind of go for it, right? Yeah.
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S3: Oh, yeah. That's what we do.
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S5: And that's great. I mean, no knock on that whatsoever.
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S5: That's absolutely dynamite. But we had this. I had this
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S5: dear friend join me in Alaska as a worship leader.
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S5: He introduced to me this idea of revelation and In
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S5: response that when we open the word near the front
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S5: end of the service, we can respond and worship at
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S5: the back end and allows a lot of room for
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S5: God to do some significant work. So you're beginning to
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S5: worship truth kind of into your heart, applied to your life.
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S5: And that can be incredibly powerful.
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S3: And I mean, I can, I can speak to this, Carl.
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S3: I'm a member at the church we both attend. And,
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S3: and I loved that switch up. I, I loved getting
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S3: cut to the heart through the sermon first and then
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S3: all the worship time was so influenced by what I
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S3: had just heard that it just, it meant something deeper
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S3: to me. So I was really grateful for that time.
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S3: I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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S5: Yeah, it's really, really cool. And that response time allows
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S5: for us. What we do with that is we have
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S5: prayers across the back of the auditorium and people need
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S5: prayer for anything. We ask them to just get up
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S5: and go back and pray with someone, and it's overwhelming
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S5: how many people take up that opportunity, isn't it, bro?
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S3: Yeah, absolutely. And and I don't know if the correlation
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S3: was because of what we did with the, the sermon
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S3: kind of coming earlier and then the worship coming after.
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S3: But I saw more people up for prayer than I
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S3: usually see. Yeah, it was excellent.
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S5: Yeah. It's super, super cool. And the point is this
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S5: no one on this planet who's a Christ follower can
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S5: avoid trials. Significant ones. We just can't avoid them. Count
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S5: it all, joy brothers. Or depending on your translation, consider
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S5: it pure joy whenever you face trials of many kinds,
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S5: because you know that the testing of your faith will
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S5: develop perseverance. And perseverance must finish its work so that
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S5: you may be mature and complete, lacking in nothing. What
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S5: an incredible promise. It hinges on persevering in it. And
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S5: oftentimes we talk about this around here. We try to
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S5: get out of trials. God's trying to get us through
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S5: trials and through it we gain so much. Today we're
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S5: going to be camped out in a real classic. This
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S5: is what a lot of people. If I said, if
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S5: you're feeling under pressure, you know what the scriptures say
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S5: to do. People that have been in the book of
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S5: James recently or have a handle on the book of
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S5: James would say, oh man, count it all joy, because
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S5: as we persevere through it, we're going to be mature
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S5: and complete. And the promise is huge, lacking nothing, which
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S5: is a pretty big promise for James to make to us. Pretty.
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S3: You don't make that promise unless you know it can
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S3: be fulfilled in what you're talking about.
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S5: Yeah, I mean, for sure. So it's an awesome, awesome
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S5: privilege that we have. There's no doubt about it. And today,
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S5: I want you to know before we take a deep
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S5: dive into this later, I want you to know this
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S5: for certain, that we can, with absolute confidence, know that
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S5: whatever we're going through today, God's not wasting it. There's
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S5: no wasted trials in God's economy. None. And I think
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S5: it's good to bring to attention, because sometimes one of
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S5: the ways that we don't persevere is we try to
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S5: ignore it. I think it's good to bring it in. Go.
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S5: This is the trial that I'm up against. And then
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S5: ask God a question. What in the world are you
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S5: trying to do in me through this thing? And then
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S5: persevere in that, trusting that God's going to bring growth,
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S5: maturity out of this for our good and his glory.
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S5: It's an awesome privilege that we have. It really is.
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S5: So I'm going to pray for you right now for
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S5: whatever trial you're going through all across North America and beyond.
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S5: Right now, I'm going to pray. I want you to
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S5: bring that trial to mind. What is that that you
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S5: are just battling with? Let's just hold that up before God. God.
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S5: There are trials by the maybe tens of thousands being
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S5: held up before you right now. Tough stuff comes in
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S5: a lot of different forms. God, you know every one
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S5: of them and you care. Your word is clear. Count it, joy.
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S5: But Lord, we can't do that without you. By the
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S5: power of your spirit giving us the unction to change
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S5: our perspective on this trial right now, that you're going
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S5: to make us mature and complete, lacking in nothing. So, God,
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S5: I pray that your spirit would fill up every person
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S5: listening right now, that we would not try to extricate
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S5: ourselves from this trial, but that we would anticipate that
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S5: you're going to do something beautiful through it. Something incredibly powerful.
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S5: And oh Lord, I pray as disciples of Christ that
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S5: we would lean into that today. Persevere through it, not
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S5: try to escape from it. And that you would allow
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S5: us the privilege of seeing our lives changed more fully equipped,
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S5: more fully knowing you, knowing not just your will, but
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S5: your ways. How you work in these situations. And I
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S5: give you praise today. You are a mighty God. There
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S5: is no one like you and we're praying and believing
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S5: today according to Matthew 21. We're praying and believing right
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S5: now that as we ask for strength to get through
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S5: this trial for my friends right now, for you, God,
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S5: that you would. grant all the spiritual wisdom, the spiritual unction,
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S5: and even the fortitude to persevere. I thank you that
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S5: you care and that you love us. And I pray
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S5: believing right now in Jesus name. Amen. And let it be.
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S5: You can have a great week. Pressure is unavoidable. And
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S5: yet there is God. According to James one two through four,
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S5: he is making us mature and complete, lacking in nothing.
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S5: By the way. Little bonus verse. Verse five says, if
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S5: any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God. You
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S5: need wisdom for this trial. Ask God. And the cautionary
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S5: note just a few verses later is don't be double minded.
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S5: Get your mind solely fixed on God. Because the double
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S5: minded person will not receive that wisdom from God. But
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S5: if you just put your faith squarely in God's heart, hands,
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S5: lap every bit of it right there. The promises that
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S5: he will give you wisdom which will produce perseverance. And
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S5: as I prayed for you, the unction of the spirit,
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S5: to even give you that courage to press on, God
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S5: will move. That's his promise. I'm taking him at His word,
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S5: and I hope you do as well this morning.
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S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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S1: Moody Radio.
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S5: Well, what is your new normal and who is the
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S5: new norm? Gotta figure out the back story on this.
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S5: Steve Norman is with us right now. He's from winning
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S5: at home. What's the story on the new norm, man?
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S6: So the long and the short of it is I
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S6: was on staff at a church in the metro Detroit
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S6: area and there were two pastors on staff. So the
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S6: senior pastor was Steve, and then I was associate pastor
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S6: and I was also a Steve. So to differentiate us,
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S6: somebody had to be a not Steve. And my nickname
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S6: in high school was Norm because Steve Norman. So I
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S6: became Norm and it's kind of stuck. And that's what
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S6: I've been running with ever since.
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S5: Yeah. That's great. Steve is a pastor, author, speaker, corporate
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S5: wellness coach for winning at home. What in the world
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S5: does a corporate wellness coach do for people winning at home?
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S5: How does that work?
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S6: So a corporate wellness coach effectively functions as a workplace chaplain.
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S6: But some people, especially if they're not Christ followers or
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S6: if they're new to faith, they get spooked by the
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S6: idea of chaplains. So we present ourselves as wellness coaches.
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S6: And if people do want to have spiritual conversations, if
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S6: they are open to praying with somebody, that's certainly something
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S6: that we're willing and available to do.
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S5: How many people take you up on that?
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S6: More than you would think. Uh, I very rarely have
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S6: had somebody say, you know what? I you can pray
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S6: for me privately when you go home, but don't pray
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S6: for me. Now, I've never had somebody say, don't pray.
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S6: I've had some who could say, pray for me when
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S6: I'm not around. And that's okay.
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S5: No, that's really cool. What are the biggest needs that
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S5: people have as as you're functioning as a corporate wellness coach?
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S5: What are the biggest needs?
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S6: Everybody's got stress. People have home stress that they bring
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S6: to work. People have work stress that they bring home.
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S6: And people who cannot manage that stress have it leak
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S6: over into their most critical relationships or their most critical callings.
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S6: And so the greatest gift that we have is helping
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S6: people identify that stress, helping people mitigate the effects of
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S6: that stress, and helping them find anchors that secure them.
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S6: When those kind of emotional or mental storms are swirling
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S6: all around them.
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S5: You must point these people back to God constantly, because
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S5: I'll tell you what, before I found God, I was
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S5: trying cocaine that didn't work. I was trying Crown Royal,
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S5: that didn't work, and I was trying carousing and that
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S5: didn't work. And not everybody's cocaine, Crown royal and carousing.
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S5: But we're trying to medicate that stuff some way, shape
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S5: or form. You must point them back to God all
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S5: the time.
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S6: 100%. And I think most people are self-aware enough to
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S6: be able to say, look, I can doomscroll that doesn't
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S6: give me peace. I can sleep more. That doesn't give
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S6: me peace, I can self-medicate. That doesn't give me peace.
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S6: Everything that I'm trying isn't working. Can you give me
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S6: something else?
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S5: Steve Norman is our guest this morning, and we are
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S5: going to tackle really practically how we are going to
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S5: win at home. My conviction is, is that pressure builds
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S5: in concentric circles, usually from the inside out. Those closest
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S5: to us provide us the greatest joy and the greatest
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S5: heartache at the same time. How do we deal with
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S5: that biblically more with our guest, Steve Norman, straight ahead.
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S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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S1: Carl and Crew.
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S5: With me right now. Steve Norman, pastor, author, speaker, corporate
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S5: wellness coach right now. And he's working under the banner
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S5: of winning at home. You know, I have this theory.
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S5: I just mentioned it, but I think it's true that
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S5: our stress seems to come in concentric circles. Now, there
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S5: can be stressors that come from the guy that hit
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S5: us on an expressway with his car and those kind
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S5: of things. But most of our stress, it involves people
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S5: that are closest to us. AM I wrong on this one?
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S5: What do you say, brother?
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S6: No, you're dead on there, Carl. I think that when
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S6: our spouse isn't stress and our kids are in stress,
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S6: and we feel like we have to save or protect
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S6: or defend, we carry all of their hurts and their
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S6: dreams on our own backs. We try to play Savior, Messiah,
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S6: and King for those people. We're ended up taking on
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S6: a load that God never asked us to take on,
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S6: and that only makes things worse.
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S5: Okay, so we do. We take on loads, but we're
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S5: also called to bear one another's burdens. How do we
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S5: know when we're when we've stopped bearing burdens and we've
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S5: started playing God?
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S6: I'll never forget that book boundaries that came out a
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S6: couple of decades ago. And they said that line, each
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S6: person should carry their own load and we should carry
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S6: each other's burdens. Both come out of the book of Galatians.
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S6: And they had this great picture. They said, your load
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S6: is like a backpack. It's something that you can carry
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S6: and you should carry. And we're responsible for managing many
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S6: of the issues in our own lives. He goes, however,
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S6: a burden is like a boulder. You need somebody else
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S6: to come alongside you and do that. And I think
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S6: that we get sideways in our homes when we treat
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S6: people's backpacks like burdens, and we try to carry that
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S6: for them when they in fact should be carrying that
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S6: for themselves. And when we treat boulders like backpacks, we're like, no,
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S6: I got this, or you got that. Everybody carry their
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S6: own thing and our backs start breaking. It's not good
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S6: for us. So part of it is just a self-awareness
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S6: to be able to say like, Lord, is this something
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S6: that I need help with or something that I need
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S6: to help with? Or is this something that I need
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S6: to trust you and that individual on their own to
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S6: figure out and carry through?
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S5: Love this. How do we know we've grabbed someone else's backpack.
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S6: I think part of it is to be able to say,
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S6: when I clean up my kids room for them, because
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S6: their dirty room is driving me crazy. My son's 17
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S6: years old, Carl. I'm picking up his backpack like there's,
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S6: there's a point in his life and maturity and development
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S6: where you.
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S5: Got to do.
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S6: That. It drives me crazy. I'm like, bro, you got
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S6: to figure that out. So either I got to let
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S6: it go, or I need to figure out how to
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S6: incentivize him to carry his own backpack. Now, if he
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S6: is struggling with depression or if he's overwhelmed at school,
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S6: that's a burden. And we can figure out how to
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S6: come alongside him and give him the resources that he
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S6: needs to thrive.
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S5: This is really powerful stuff. I love this metaphor because
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S5: it works so beautifully. You know, I get the picture
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S5: of helping someone push a burden, getting that big boulder,
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S5: helping with the weight of that thing. Oh, let me
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S5: give you a scenario. I guess it's the best way
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S5: to do it. Let's say we've got a spouse who
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S5: is struggling with some form of anxiety of some kind,
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S5: and this happens all the time for everyone listening. How
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S5: do we help them get underneath that boulder and not
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S5: take God out of the equation? How do we all
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S5: learn and grow through this process?
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S6: Recently I was reading through first Samuel three, and what
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S6: I love about that passage is God is trying to
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S6: speak to Samuel. Samuel's never heard him speak before, so
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S6: he needs Eli to help him understand how God speaks
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S6: and what God is saying. And I think that all
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S6: of us in any given relationship, we're either a Samuel.
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S6: We need somebody else to help us hear from God,
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S6: or we're the Eli. We need to help somebody else
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S6: know how to hear from God. So if your spouse
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S6: is struggling with anxiety, we get to be the Eli
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S6: and come alongside them and say, hey, you know what?
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S6: The scriptures say that we can be still and know
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S6: that God is God and that he's going to be
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S6: exalted among the nations. He's going to be sovereign and
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S6: lifted up in every situation, even though we can't fully
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S6: anticipate how that's going to net out. So we get
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S6: to come alongside that person and help them put pause
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S6: on maybe a negative channel that they've been running through
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S6: their brains and pivot to something else. One of our
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S6: therapists says, like, we get to choose what we think about.
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S6: And then if I'm come alongside somebody who's struggling with anxiety,
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S6: say like, hey, what if we chose to think about
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S6: the thing that is not the stressor, but think about
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S6: the thing that is the source and the solution?
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S5: Excellent. I think the wisdom portion of bearing one another's
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S5: burdens and helping people out from under a pile really
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S5: becomes at that threshold of, when do I get in?
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S5: When do I get out? And how much should we
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S5: ask for permission to help someone in our family?
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S6: I think that when we're stuck, we can ask to
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S6: be able to say, it seems like this is really
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S6: overwhelming to you. What is the best way for me
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S6: to be helpful right now? And sometimes we'll have a
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S6: spouse or a kid say, I don't need you to
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S6: do anything. I just need you to hear me. Yes.
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S6: I need you to be present with me. I need
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S6: you to validate that the emotion is real.
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S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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S5: Yeah. Pressure reveals where we run. You know, I found
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S5: out blaze had never run into a a man on
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S5: the sidewalk who was crouched down. He's only seen him
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S5: standing up.
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S2: How did you make.
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S5: Well, we discovered this in an interesting way. I have
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S5: never seen a more panicked Alaskan husky than last night.
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S2: Oh.
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S5: He was freaking out. We're coming across the roadway to
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S5: a sidewalk, and he spots this guy, and the guy's just.
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S5: Turns out the guy knows me, and he knows about
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S5: Carl and crew and.
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S3: Oh.
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S5: Preach at his church and. But he's crouched down and
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S5: he's on his buds, and he's just kind of tuning
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S5: into something. And he had never seen that person crouch down, apparently.
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S5: So he. We're coming across. All of a sudden he just.
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S5: All four legs just bam, full spread plant in the
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S5: middle of the road. And he looks and he's like,
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S5: ha ha. And he's not even barking. He's just going.
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S5: And he's not growling either. He's just it's full panic mode.
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S5: And I've seen this before. It's a real bummer when
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S5: you have 16 of them hooked up together. They all panic.
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S2: Together, panic.
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S5: And I've had that happen when there's moose in the
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S5: trail and they all like, whoa, look at the size
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S5: of that sucker, dad. You take them on. And that's,
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S5: that's the point here. So he's he's in the middle
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S5: of the road. He's bouncing. I even laughed in the
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S5: middle of it because he. I've never seen a dog
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S5: be able to self elevate off four feet just just
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S5: from four pads, just flexing those toe muscles. And Boing
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S5: went up in the air and came back down, bowing,
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S5: went up in the air. I mean, he was every
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S5: fiber of his body was just tense. So he's freaking
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S5: out about this guy. And then he did it again.
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S5: He ran right in behind me like you get him.
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S5: This guy's gonna get me. You get it? You make
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S5: sure we're clear. And so he put me on the sidewalk.
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S5: He's on a patch of grass between me and the guy.
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S5: And only then I was thankful. I didn't want to
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S5: tell the guy. Hey, could you stand up? You're freaking out.
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S5: My dog.
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S4: Yeah.
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S5: But he. But he he stood up and then he's like, oh.
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S3: Oh, he's he's a normal human.
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S5: He's a human. He's a human. It's just one of
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S5: the funniest things in the world. But the precious thing
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S5: is this big old boy went under pressure and he's
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S5: got these he's got these teeth. I mean, he's got
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S5: a mouth full of the biggest meat. Eating meat ripping, tender,
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S5: tenderising teeth you can imagine. And guess where he runs
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S5: behind dad? Yup. And I feel like saying, dude, you
20:26
S5: could take this guy better than I could by far.
20:29
S2: Exactly. What did the guy say? Did he even notice?
20:31
S5: I don't even think he knew what was going on.
20:33
S2: Oh, okay.
20:34
S3: Oh. That's funny.
20:34
S5: It was kind of happening behind him.
20:36
S3: Oh, gotcha.
20:37
S5: A little bit. And that was part of the problem.
20:38
S5: He couldn't see a face. All he saw was a
20:41
S5: huddled mess sitting where.
20:42
S2: Nothing.
20:43
S5: Was born before.
20:44
S2: Kind of creature is this?
20:45
S5: What is this, man? It's just funny. Oh, where we
20:50
S5: run when the pressure builds, huh? Guys?
20:52
S2: Oh, boy. We run, we run somewhere.
20:55
S5: Yeah, well, we do, don't we? Ali, that's the point.
20:57
S2: We do. You know, I put a question out there
21:00
S2: a while ago because I was just curious. What do
21:03
S2: you think is the most pressure filled moment in sports?
21:08
S2: So a couple different scenarios. Is it you're down by
21:11
S2: your NBA finals down by one times out. You've got
21:15
S2: two free throws. Is it? That's horrible. The kicker.
21:19
S3: Is.
21:19
S2: Horrible. Who has to come out with the game on
21:22
S2: the line? That's worse. Is it those extra innings in baseball? Remember?
21:28
S2: Remember the 2016 Cubs run? Yes.
21:30
S3: Oh! 10th inning.
21:31
S5: Cleveland.
21:32
S7: Take me there. So, what do you think? Sorry, Cleveland.
21:35
S2: Yeah. Sorry about that. What do you think is the
21:37
S2: most pressure filled moment in sports?
21:39
S5: You know, would you say the second option. I'm sorry.
21:41
S5: I'm camping on that one. I cannot.
21:43
S7: You think the kicker?
21:44
S5: Oh, I cannot imagine being a kicker in front of 60, 70,
21:46
S5: 80,000 people. Are you kidding me?
21:48
S3: I mean, the it's it's a ball. You're, I don't know,
21:53
S3: probably most of the time, if it's the last second kick,
21:57
S3: you take it wherever you got it. So you're probably
21:59
S3: 45 to 55 yards away. And and there are 11
22:05
S3: dudes trying to kill you. Okay. And you are not
22:09
S3: the same size as they are. And so you have
22:12
S3: to kick it over these people that are trying to
22:14
S3: kill you and then make it through these two little
22:18
S3: flagpoles and. And that seems. And then if you miss it,
22:22
S3: everyone will hate you. If you do it, everyone's like, well,
22:25
S3: you did your job.
22:26
S2: What about penalty kicks in soccer? Because I feel like
22:30
S2: I mean.
22:30
S5: Yeah, but there's here's.
22:32
S7: Not a loving guy is coming.
22:33
S5: After.
22:33
S3: Me. It's one on one.
22:34
S7: It's just.
22:35
S2: You.
22:36
S5: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. There is no missed
22:39
S5: penalty kick or no missed free throw that has the
22:42
S5: name double Doink that everybody.
22:45
S7: Knows what it means.
22:46
S3: That is true. In Chicagoland 2018, we were this close
22:51
S3: to beating the Eagles in the playoffs and, uh. And
22:53
S3: the ball doinked off one of the uprights and then
22:56
S3: doinked off the crossbar and bounced out and, uh, and
22:59
S3: none of us have forgotten it. And we all say,
23:01
S3: double doink here, I guess eight years later.
23:04
S5: I'm trying to be fair because basketball, the pressure on
23:06
S5: that is huge.
23:07
S7: I mean the free throws they're called. Right.
23:10
S2: Well, I mean you're supposed to the free throw. It's
23:12
S2: supposed to be automatic, I think even more so than
23:15
S2: a kick. I mean, it's literally your your your best
23:19
S2: free throw shooter shoot in the 90s 90%. I mean,
23:22
S2: they're there. So but I don't know. I mean, I
23:26
S2: think that that penalty kick in like the World Cup
23:29
S2: finals now.
23:30
S5: Well now you're up in the stakes here.
23:32
S7: But yeah, yeah. Penalty kick penalty kick in the world.
23:34
S5: It's not one. It's well penalty kick. That's you're not
23:38
S5: talking extra innings or whatever they.
23:40
S7: Call like in.
23:41
S2: Soccer. Like when it comes down to the penalty kicks.
23:43
S3: Yeah it's it's a one one guy in front of
23:47
S3: the goalie and that's it. Just those two the whole.
23:49
S2: And there's no other sport that the whole world cares
23:52
S2: more about.
23:53
S5: Yeah, the whole world for.
23:54
S7: Sure than soccer. You're adding.
23:56
S2: You're.
23:56
S7: Folding in some more.
23:57
S5: Yeah. There's some other factors here that are really good. I,
24:00
S5: I still say.
24:01
S7: Say.
24:01
S5: For, for the West. I mean, if a, if a,
24:06
S5: if a field goal kicker hears the word doink.
24:08
S7: Yeah.
24:09
S5: They perspire.
24:10
S7: They pit.
24:10
S5: Out.
24:11
S3: I will say this too, because there's only one kicker
24:14
S3: on a team. If you sometimes if you miss that,
24:17
S3: you lose your job. Like Cody Parkey with the double doink.
24:21
S3: Guess who didn't kick here after that year was Cody Parkey.
24:25
S5: And that's. I don't think that's fair.
24:27
S2: I don't think that's fair either.
24:28
S3: Well, it's hard because there's there you get there's one
24:31
S3: kicker on every team and there's a lot of people
24:33
S3: out there who can kick a ball. And so it's like, well,
24:37
S3: if you don't, if you miss a free throw, if
24:38
S3: Jalen Brunson misses a free throw in the next game
24:42
S3: after time has gone out, guess who's still going to
24:45
S3: be on the team next season. It's Jalen Brunson.
24:47
S7: I knew.
24:47
S2: Jonathan was gonna have some passion behind this.
24:50
S7: One.
24:51
S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
24:54
S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
24:57
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24:59
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25:00
S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
25:02
S5: There's no pressure. It's a different kind of pressure, but
25:05
S5: there's a pressure that we feel when we failed at
25:09
S5: It's something spiritually. Look, we all have sinned and fall
25:14
S5: short of the glory of God. And the reality is
25:17
S5: that we can find ourselves in situations where we've blown it.
25:22
S5: And the question is, where do we run? Greg Dempster
25:26
S5: works with a lot of leaders, some of whom many
25:30
S5: of whom have found themselves in a situation where they've
25:34
S5: blown it, they've failed. The question is, where do they run? Greg,
25:39
S5: it's good to have you with us today. This is
25:41
S5: tender topic. You know, in First John, we find if
25:43
S5: you say you're without sin, you lie and the truth
25:46
S5: isn't in you. So in many respects, we've all missed
25:49
S5: the mark. But there's some missing the mark that can
25:52
S5: have a high cost attached to it. Where do people
25:56
S5: run wrongly when we get in pressure situations with spiritual failure?
26:01
S5: What have you learned in all your years of working
26:04
S5: with high profile leaders?
26:05
S8: I think they end up running in the same direction
26:08
S8: that they ran. That got him into trouble. That they've
26:11
S8: been running independently. They many of them have have been
26:15
S8: self-made men, self-made women leaders who know how to do
26:21
S8: ministry really, really well. They know how to build out
26:24
S8: their resume. They know how to influence people. They've carried
26:30
S8: the weight on their shoulders. And carrying the weight independently
26:34
S8: has led to major breakdown. And then the problem that
26:38
S8: they run into is then they feel that to get
26:42
S8: out of the train wreck, that's become their life, they've
26:46
S8: got to do it on their own. And it seems impossible.
26:49
S2: Greg Dempster with us this morning, founder and director of
26:51
S2: Christ Life Ministries. You know, is it the pressure? You've
26:55
S2: heard the quote that pressure makes diamonds, but it also
26:58
S2: bursts pipes. So pressure can do a lot of different things.
27:01
S2: Some people say, I thrive under pressure. I do my
27:04
S2: best work when there's some pressure. But when leaders feel
27:08
S2: the pressure to perform or to keep up some sort
27:11
S2: of image, does that in of itself kind of start
27:16
S2: to reveal some cracks when you're feeling that pressure, as
27:20
S2: opposed to kind of realizing that it's on God, it's
27:23
S2: not on me.
27:24
S8: You know, the reality is that when we're ministering or
27:28
S8: when we're doing life or the jobs that we're driving
27:31
S8: to right now in order to get to get valued to,
27:36
S8: to perform in order to be seen when there's get
27:40
S8: attached to it. We are also opening ourselves up to
27:43
S8: massive liability because for every positive, for everything that we do,
27:48
S8: that's a win. There's also great liability, right? If we're
27:52
S8: basing our sense of value on on how well we
27:55
S8: do or how well we're perceived, then we're on the
27:59
S8: roller coaster, this emotional roller coaster where I have these
28:03
S8: high highs, but I also have these deep lows. And again,
28:07
S8: it all comes back to me whether I'm able to
28:11
S8: perform well enough, whether I'm seen well, whether anybody's seeing
28:16
S8: behind my mask or not. And, and God would have
28:20
S8: us look up into his face and see that, that
28:23
S8: the scripture portrays something totally different for us, that we're
28:26
S8: unceasing spiritual beings that are deeply loved by him, that
28:31
S8: he's got a plan that's been woven together for our
28:34
S8: lives and, and that he's the one who wants to
28:37
S8: provide the power, the resources to pull it all off,
28:41
S8: that it's on him. We need to become less. He
28:44
S8: needs to become more. And that really is the secret
28:47
S8: to turn to the 180 turning from where you're broken,
28:51
S8: where you are right now, to running into the arms
28:54
S8: of a God who is more than willing to receive you.
28:57
S5: I guess pressure is unavoidable. We. There is no way
29:00
S5: in a broken and fallen world that you won't have
29:03
S5: expectations from others, from yourself. That creates pressure moments. And
29:10
S5: the only question then is where are you going to run?
29:12
S5: And the quicker we can get into the arms of God,
29:14
S5: the better off we are. Right, Greg?
29:16
S8: That's exactly it. You know, we often say here that
29:19
S8: disruptive emotion is an indicator that we're carrying something alone
29:24
S8: that God only can carry, that God wants us to
29:27
S8: begin to work into a life, move into a life
29:32
S8: where God is doing the things that are impossible for
29:35
S8: us to do ourselves. First Peter five seven encourages. It
29:39
S8: exhorts us to cast care and receive care. And I'm
29:44
S8: convinced I've seen this a thousand times in the lives
29:47
S8: of the leaders that we work with, that as leaders
29:49
S8: learn how to cast care onto the Lord, it opens
29:54
S8: up the floodgates of the care of Jesus pouring back
29:58
S8: into them.
29:59
S2: Greg, you know, being tempted to put leaders on some
30:02
S2: sort of a pedestal is certainly nothing new. I mean,
30:05
S2: there are passages in the Bible that talk about people
30:08
S2: having a preference. I follow this person or I follow
30:11
S2: this person. But certainly now with YouTube and with social media,
30:15
S2: with the pressure to kind of create a brand or
30:18
S2: to build some sort of platform, how much do you
30:21
S2: see that play into the pressure that leaders feel that
30:25
S2: it's not just getting up and preaching the word anymore
30:28
S2: and faithfully shepherding the people? There's now pressure to kind
30:33
S2: of have this public following.
30:36
S8: I think especially after the last six years, you know,
30:39
S8: Covid exposed so much. You know, we say in the
30:43
S8: the worship world, the music world, that that the room
30:46
S8: covers over a multitude of mistakes or sins. Like you
30:49
S8: could have a band playing in a big room and
30:50
S8: you don't hear the nuances that that are just wrong,
30:55
S8: the pitchy realities for, for any band on Sunday morning.
31:00
S8: But when you're beginning to live stream, meaning that that
31:04
S8: you're not touching what people are hearing on Sunday morning
31:06
S8: and you're just sending it over to the airwaves. It is.
31:10
S8: I've met with so many pastoral leaders that are just like,
31:13
S8: oh my gosh, now I've got 100 new things that
31:16
S8: I need to fix in order for us to be perfect.
31:19
S8: And really, when all is said and done, what pastors
31:23
S8: experience is the same? That thing that we all experience
31:27
S8: and that is that, that if their basis for value
31:31
S8: is performance, they're going to be doing that from the pulpit.
31:36
S8: They're going to be doing it as they lead their
31:37
S8: small groups. Or for many of you who are listening today,
31:42
S8: you're going to be doing it. When you show up
31:43
S8: to your job this morning, you're going to be looking
31:47
S8: for approval. You're going to be trying to do the
31:49
S8: best you can to gain something. Hear me say this, please,
31:53
S8: to gain something that you already fully have in Jesus.
31:59
S8: You're fully received. You'll never be loved more than you
32:03
S8: are loved. You. You'll never value as gifted by God
32:07
S8: and not earned. It's like bringing your own brown bag
32:10
S8: to a banquet. We think we need to provide something
32:13
S8: for ourselves when Jesus has provided.
32:16
S5: Brown bag into a banquet.
32:19
S8: That's just the truth.
32:20
S5: You're right on, man. All right. Here's something real self-effacing
32:24
S5: for you. So our show, if that didn't press enough
32:28
S5: because everything we say goes out there, no way to
32:31
S5: retrieve it. But now we're doing these little YouTube shorts
32:34
S5: or reels or whatever they're called. And I got to
32:36
S5: preview a couple before they went out and I'm like, boy,
32:41
S5: you look pretty rough, Carl. You're, you're looking kind of rough.
32:46
S5: And you know what? I had to get to the
32:48
S5: point and go, you know what? I'm not 30. I
32:52
S5: really didn't look that great when I was 30. 60.
32:55
S5: I'm in my 60s, and there's something healthy about going. Oh, well,
33:02
S5: it's okay because I'm really in the arms of God.
33:05
S5: And you mentioned First Peter five seven. But the interesting thing, Greg, is,
33:10
S5: you know, this. You back up one verse and it
33:13
S5: begins with humble yourselves, therefore under the mighty hand of God,
33:17
S5: so that at the proper time he may exalt you,
33:20
S5: casting all your anxieties on him because he cares for you.
33:24
S5: There's something about saying, okay, God, pressure's off because I
33:31
S5: don't have to fake it. I really don't you know
33:34
S5: everything about me, and it's going to be okay. Boy,
33:36
S5: that can be that can put us in a lane
33:39
S5: that is so much healthier, right? Greg.
33:41
S8: Come on, man. There is. There's a way that leads
33:43
S8: to life. And it's almost as if back to our
33:47
S8: old construction days. The lumber truck shows up, drops the
33:51
S8: unit of lumber on the driveway, and we go to
33:53
S8: work building this edifice to ourselves. And then when we
33:57
S8: lay down at night, we hear nails popping out. And
34:01
S8: that edifice coming down, and then that lumber, when we
34:03
S8: wake up the next morning, is stacked again neatly in
34:06
S8: the driveway. God will do whatever it takes to help
34:10
S8: us move towards true life. And we're so convinced that
34:14
S8: life is all about what I build, what I provide
34:17
S8: for myself. It's really the self-led or self-empowered life that
34:22
S8: it takes some time to realize that God can do
34:26
S8: it better. Yeah. And that the things that I've built,
34:29
S8: maybe it's better that they're torn down again, so that
34:32
S8: we can begin again and allow God to build the
34:35
S8: thing that he always designed our lives to be. And
34:38
S8: let me tell you, the reality is that God's way
34:42
S8: is better. Every time he makes life, he produces life
34:47
S8: where there is no life. Everything that God does leads
34:51
S8: to a sense of growth and a greater sense of vitality.
34:56
S8: And to go the other way, we can experience virtual reality.
35:01
S8: Virtual vitality. But it's short lived.
35:04
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36:23
S9: So quick question for you guys. Sure. What's the most
36:27
S9: pressure you've ever felt in your life?
36:30
S7: Ooh.
36:31
S9: But you.
36:32
S10: Did the.
36:33
S3: Most pressure I've ever felt in my life. Uh, man,
36:39
S3: that's a good one, I guess. I guess it would
36:41
S3: be probably the first time I preached a sermon.
36:46
S7: Oh yeah.
36:47
S3: Yeah, I always I still get nervous when I go
36:51
S3: in and I preach. I don't think that'll ever go away.
36:54
S7: Yeah.
36:54
S3: But that first time, it's, uh. It's not fun. Oh, man.
37:02
S3: I just thought of another one that kind of coincides
37:04
S3: with that.
37:04
S7: Oh, this ought to be good.
37:05
S3: It wasn't the first time I preached a sermon, but
37:07
S3: it was the first time I got to Saturday night
37:09
S3: and then wasn't feeling it for the sermon coming up
37:12
S3: on Sunday.
37:13
S7: I'm sorry.
37:14
S4: Oh, man.
37:16
S7: When you get that feeling.
37:18
S3: When you get to Saturday night and you're walking through
37:21
S3: it and you're like, I just am not sure this
37:24
S3: is exactly what I'm supposed to be doing yet. And,
37:27
S3: and you're like, oh no, am I gonna have to
37:29
S3: rework a bunch of stuff? And so a little bit
37:32
S3: of it is reworking stuff. A little bit of it is,
37:34
S3: you know, sometimes.
37:36
S9: What God gave.
37:36
S7: You.
37:36
S3: Yeah, absolutely.
37:37
S9: And sometimes you get too close to it, actually.
37:40
S3: Yeah, absolutely.
37:41
S9: Yeah. We're talking pressure here. Super die. What do you say?
37:45
S4: A new Christian and a former job. Not not not
37:49
S4: here at Moody. Former job and was asked to do
37:53
S4: a couple things which in the past would have been
37:55
S4: no problem. But now, with new faith and new conviction,
37:58
S4: I couldn't do it.
38:00
S7: Oh, boy.
38:00
S4: So I had the pressure of having to go in
38:02
S4: and go, I can't do this.
38:04
S9: How'd it go?
38:05
S4: It didn't go well. We'll just leave it at that.
38:08
S4: It didn't go well.
38:09
S7: Oh, boy.
38:10
S4: But God is good.
38:12
S7: God is good.
38:13
S4: God gave me strength, and it was very growing. But
38:17
S4: it was an absolute testimony to the proof of the
38:21
S4: Holy Spirit working because.
38:24
S9: Because you went in.
38:25
S7: There.
38:25
S4: And I said, but you did before. I know I
38:29
S4: did before, but I can't now anymore. I can no
38:32
S4: longer do this.
38:33
S3: That's hard for something that you used to be able.
38:36
S7: To do without Christ.
38:37
S3: And then.
38:37
S7: You're like.
38:38
S4: Exactly.
38:38
S3: I don't have that in me anymore.
38:40
S4: And did it with power and did it with absolute tude.
38:44
S4: You know what I'm saying? It was.
38:45
S7: Like.
38:45
S3: No shame about.
38:46
S7: It.
38:47
S4: Water off my back. Wow. And now it's like I.
38:50
S4: And going back even to people and saying, I'm sorry
38:52
S4: I did do this to you. That was.
38:55
S7: Pressure.
38:56
S9: That's the journey of faith, man.
38:59
S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
39:04
S1: to Carl and Crew.
39:05
S9: We're talking pressure all week. And you don't really know
39:09
S9: what you're made of unless you get under pressure. Just
39:12
S9: take a look at how a house is plumbed. My goodness,
39:15
S9: I did this with my dad. You sweat copper pipes together.
39:19
S9: You put that solder around that joint. But only when
39:22
S9: you put some pressure in the water line. Do you
39:24
S9: see what's really holding water here?
39:26
S3: It's the same thing with with football. You know, you
39:29
S3: watch him in training camp and the quarterback is out
39:32
S3: there and he's slinging it and he's looking good. But
39:34
S3: you know what? There's no defensive line rushing after him.
39:36
S3: You say you need to get some pressure on that
39:38
S3: guy and see how he plays then.
39:40
S9: Little pressure reveals it all with me. Special guest Nicole Suvar.
39:44
S9: And she has a brand new workout boom crew that
39:48
S9: we're going to feature at the end of this interview.
39:49
S9: But oh, sometimes you pray, God, take this pressure from me.
39:54
S9: But more often than not, I've found he delivers us
39:58
S9: through it, not from it. What do you say, Nicole?
40:01
S11: I say amen to that. Yes, we so often want
40:06
S11: the overwhelm, the anxiety. We want it to just go
40:10
S11: away because we think life is just going to be
40:12
S11: so better, much better when that is all gone. But
40:15
S11: the reality is, like we learn so much more about
40:17
S11: our Jesus when all of that is happening in our lives,
40:22
S11: that overwhelm, that pressure that you're talking about.
40:25
S9: Yeah. Nicole's a writer, speaker, intentional living coach, and on
40:30
S9: a mission to help overwhelm women, embrace God's design for
40:33
S9: mental wellness. How much Is mental wellness a thing and
40:41
S9: why is it a thing?
40:42
S12: I think that we often.
40:44
S11: We focus on like our physical health, our spiritual health,
40:47
S11: which is huge, but often we neglect the mental health.
40:51
S11: We kind of have this thing off to the side,
40:52
S11: and it's becoming more and more of a buzzword, our
40:55
S11: mental health. But what I want us to really focus
40:58
S11: on is the mental wellness, because we often will separate
41:01
S11: that from our spiritual life. But the reality is God
41:05
S11: made all of it. And so I want believers to
41:09
S11: see that God has a design for our mental wellness.
41:13
S11: And when we follow his design, instead of what the
41:17
S11: world tells us we should do to be mentally healthy,
41:20
S11: when we follow after God's design, that is when we
41:23
S11: can draw closer to him, have a deeper relationship with him.
41:27
S11: In the midst of all of this pressure, all of
41:30
S11: these things that life keeps throwing at us.
41:33
S5: Yeah. And this whole mental health thing. Really? Wellness thing.
41:38
S5: I overheard my bride talking to a woman that's been
41:41
S5: years ago now, but I stole it from her. I'm
41:43
S5: overhearing it. I'm like, oh, that's a good analogy. She
41:46
S5: said to this woman on the phone. She said she
41:49
S5: was just filled with compassion. She said, look, you were
41:51
S5: raised with a lot of ways of thinking that you
41:54
S5: need to reap wallpaper. Your mind, what's in the wallpaper
41:58
S5: of your mind is a bunch of lies and half truths,
42:01
S5: and you need to get armed with the truth of
42:04
S5: who you are in Christ. How fundamental is identity in Christ? Nicole.
42:10
S11: Oh, it's the foundation. Because when we are identifying ourselves
42:15
S11: with what the world tells us we are, those things
42:18
S11: are so temporal and fleeting, and we have to keep
42:21
S11: working so hard to keep that identity. But when our
42:26
S11: identity and that foundation is in our creator, like that
42:31
S11: is when rest happens, that's when we can stop striving
42:36
S11: and trust him and look to him to be the
42:38
S11: one to identify who we are.
42:41
S7: How do you do that?
42:42
S5: Okay, so we could say we got to get our
42:44
S5: identity in Christ, our identity in Christ. How do you
42:46
S5: do that?
42:46
S11: Yes. Yeah. So one thing that I focus on and
42:50
S11: I think about is, let's go all the way back
42:53
S11: to Eden before the fall happened, when God originally created
42:58
S11: humans and how he identified humans, we were made in
43:02
S11: his image. And when we start looking at the garden
43:06
S11: and how he just made creation in different aspects of
43:11
S11: what Eden has, we can find roots of where our
43:15
S11: identity can be found.
43:18
S5: What do we find there?
43:20
S11: First and foremost, we have communion with God. You think
43:24
S11: about when Adam and Eve, in the cool of the evening,
43:27
S11: the cool of the day. They were walking with their creator.
43:31
S11: They were walking with God. There was that true communion
43:34
S11: and fellowship and relationship that was first and foremost before
43:38
S11: anything else. And within the Garden of Eden you've got
43:42
S11: boundaries that were created. There was purpose. He gave stewardship
43:46
S11: to his people. He just outside in general, what you
43:50
S11: can find being outdoors and connecting with him. He made
43:55
S11: humans to be together. There's this community that happens. We
43:58
S11: cannot be in a vacuum. We have to have other
44:01
S11: humans to interact with, to grow, to learn from and rest.
44:06
S11: Like rest was something that was already in the garden
44:09
S11: before the fall happened. Like he created us to need
44:12
S11: rest because when we are resting, that is when we
44:15
S11: can find that trust that he is the one that's
44:17
S11: working even when we are not.
44:21
S5: What's your contention here, Nicole? Is it that in Christ Jesus,
44:25
S5: this new birth miracle, although we live in a sinful
44:28
S5: and broken world, and we will still sin that we
44:32
S5: can reclaim some of those attributes of Eden.
44:35
S11: Yes, because God is not expecting us to be perfect.
44:39
S11: He knows that we are humans living in a fallen world,
44:42
S11: like he is the one that clothes us with righteousness,
44:45
S11: and he has given us these gifts of Eden that
44:48
S11: still exist. Even though the fall has happened and we
44:52
S11: are in exile, we are not in Eden right now.
44:54
S11: We're living outside of it. And he has allowed these
44:57
S11: gifts to continue to grow and to be here outside
45:01
S11: of Eden so that we can access them. And we
45:04
S11: are intentional in seeking them out and cultivating them in
45:08
S11: our lives. That connects us back to the father, that
45:11
S11: helps us remember where our core identity is, and that
45:15
S11: is when we can find true rest despite the pressure
45:19
S11: and the overwhelm, and maybe even the anxiety we may
45:22
S11: be feeling if we just keep seeking out and cultivating
45:26
S11: his gifts instead of, again, what the world is offering.
45:31
S5: Yeah, I love that you've written this book. I don't
45:33
S5: have to hold it all together. There's a lot of
45:37
S5: messages that go around in people's minds that almost make
45:41
S5: it impossible to hold it all together, I think. Let
45:43
S5: me give you a couple scenarios as a pastor here.
45:46
S5: A woman that was raised in a high performance, very religious,
45:50
S5: not spiritual in the sense of really seeking the Spirit
45:53
S5: of God, but highly performance oriented. And she just feels
45:57
S5: like she can never live up to God. That's one.
46:00
S5: Another one is a woman that was sexually abused and, uh,
46:06
S5: actually abused in a courtship relationship. And she feels like
46:10
S5: she's dirty and she'll never be worthy again. These are
46:14
S5: just a couple of the big lies that really keep
46:17
S5: Eden at a distance. What do you say to both
46:20
S5: of those kind of scenarios?
46:23
S11: Those are heavy. Those are hard things to carry and
46:27
S11: to to try to carry on our own. I think
46:31
S11: that's where we can get tripped up in thinking that
46:34
S11: we have to get those parts of us figured out,
46:36
S11: and we have to get it all held together and
46:39
S11: in the right place, and then we can take it
46:41
S11: to Jesus. But the reality is like, he wants to
46:44
S11: carry all of that all along from the very beginning,
46:47
S11: we need to be taking our brokenness to him and
46:50
S11: trusting him to be carrying the things that we ourselves
46:54
S11: were never meant to carry. The world keeps piling it on,
46:58
S11: and sometimes we just keep taking it, thinking like, yep,
47:01
S11: this is getting thrown at me. This is supposed to
47:02
S11: be mine to carry. But so much of that, our
47:05
S11: father never asked us to carry it. So it's one
47:08
S11: of those things where we need to keep turning to
47:10
S11: the side and saying, Lord, I need you to carry this. You.
47:13
S11: You have promised to carry our burdens for us. I
47:17
S11: need to be willing to pass that off to you.
47:20
S5: You've got a real conversational relationship with God, And I
47:24
S5: do believe that that is how it has to go.
47:27
S5: And I think that some people find God maybe unapproachable,
47:32
S5: but speak to that for a moment. There's great value,
47:35
S5: is there not, Nicole, in just sitting down and just
47:38
S5: talking to God and just dumping it all out on
47:41
S5: the table.
47:42
S11: Oh, absolutely. And that's that was the one chapter in
47:45
S11: my book is Communion with God. Often we can get
47:48
S11: tripped up on what that looks like. We think it's
47:52
S11: it's prayer and it's happening at certain times. And I
47:55
S11: need to be in the right kind of mindset. And
47:58
S11: the reality is like His Holy Spirit is with us
48:00
S11: at all times, we can have this conversation with him.
48:04
S11: If we see something that delights us, we tell him,
48:07
S11: if we're in the middle of something that feels heavy
48:09
S11: and hard, we're talking to him right there. We'll go
48:12
S11: to another human and we'll dump it all on them.
48:15
S11: But they can only do so much for us to.
48:17
S11: When our father is all powerful and he can do
48:20
S11: all things. We kind of have that as like a
48:23
S11: last resort sometimes instead of having him as the very
48:27
S11: first one that we go to.
48:30
S5: Nicole Suvar is my guest right now, and I'm going
48:33
S5: to give you a link to her book in a moment.
48:35
S5: But hey, you say I don't have to hold it
48:38
S5: all together. When was the time that you realized, goodness sakes, Nicole,
48:42
S5: you don't have to hold it all together.
48:46
S11: Yes, I've actually struggled with anxiety my entire life. I've
48:49
S11: had generalized anxiety disorder since I was a child, and
48:54
S11: most of that, though was undiagnosed. I just thought I
48:58
S11: just felt that I was just worried all the time.
49:00
S11: And I tried, tried, tried so much to hold it
49:04
S11: all together.
49:04
S7: Yeah.
49:05
S11: And there was a time I was coming home from
49:07
S11: driving my kids home from school. They're all young, elementary.
49:10
S11: They're yelling in the back. There's chaos going on. It's
49:13
S11: in the fall. I look over and it used to
49:15
S11: be this series of trees that were bright yellow shining
49:18
S11: in the sunlight. And they were all done. They were
49:20
S11: all on the ground blowing around. I had this thought
49:22
S11: that I'm like, God, I can't hold this all together.
49:26
S11: Even the trees can't do it. And there was just
49:28
S11: a cynical thought that I'm like, good grief, if the
49:31
S11: trees can't do it, why do I think I can?
49:33
S11: And the next thought that came to me was the
49:35
S11: spirit telling me, I never asked you to. And I just, I,
49:39
S11: there was something that released in me and realized like, yes,
49:42
S11: I have believed the lie that it's up to me
49:45
S11: to hold it all together. And our father has never
49:49
S11: asked us to do that.
49:51
S7: Yeah.
49:51
S5: I gotta believe this is ministering powerfully to a lot
49:55
S5: of people right now. The name of the book is
49:57
S5: I Don't have to Hold It All Together cultivating the
50:01
S5: Peace of Eden when feeling overwhelmed. Guys, this is a
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S5: Jim text the word Eden to 805 5578981 word Eden
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50:23
S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
50:27
S1: Carl and crew. What's the most.
50:29
S5: Pressure you ever felt in elementary school?
50:32
S3: Oh, that's a good question.
50:35
S7: You know.
50:35
S5: Allie's.
50:35
S7: Got it. Allie's got it. She's got it.
50:39
S2: I mean, there are a couple things that come to mind.
50:41
S7: I want to hear them.
50:43
S2: But do you remember the game? Heads up. Seven up.
50:45
S3: Yes.
50:46
S2: And so how the game goes everybody puts their heads.
50:50
S2: So a couple people are picked and this is my
50:52
S2: recollection of it. And then you everyone has their head
50:56
S2: down on the desk and their thumb up. And then
50:59
S2: you have to walk around and you push somebody's thumb down. Okay.
51:03
S2: But you. And then it's this whole guessing game to
51:05
S2: try to figure out who did it. And so I
51:08
S2: remember like when I was picked, the amount of pressure
51:12
S2: that I would feel to try to remain composed and
51:15
S2: not look like.
51:16
S3: Yeah, yeah. Like you did something.
51:18
S2: Like, you know, I'm just acting really nonchalant because of
51:20
S2: course it wasn't me and I was so bad at it.
51:23
S7: I did give away.
51:24
S2: I remember one time like, like when actually like turning
51:28
S2: around and casually writing on the chalkboard, like to deflect attention,
51:34
S2: which absolutely draws all the attention. But and then the
51:37
S2: other thing was tetherball at recess, the amount of pressure
51:40
S2: I felt when it was my turn to go up
51:42
S2: against Tanya Miner, who was the best tetherball player in
51:46
S2: the history of elementary school. I mean, this girl was
51:49
S2: like six feet tall in elementary school, and she.
51:52
S7: Could get that.
51:53
S2: Ball going and you're just standing there flailing. So it
51:57
S2: was like looking up like, oh, boy, I gotta face
52:00
S2: Tanya today. There you.
52:03
S7: Go.
52:04
S2: That's a window.
52:05
S7: How about you guys? Elementary school, biggest story.
52:08
S3: Oh man. The most recent I can think of it
52:11
S3: was was actually middle school. Uh, so my I, it
52:17
S3: was English class. And you know, those spelling books that
52:19
S3: you would get and I don't know, maybe. Do you guys,
52:21
S3: did you guys have spelling books?
52:23
S7: Um. Oh yeah, I think so.
52:25
S3: Yeah. They were big books that had little like workshop
52:28
S3: pages in them. And then, you know, we would do
52:30
S3: the workshop and then we would pass it over to
52:32
S3: the student next to us, and then they would grade
52:34
S3: it for us. And, and I was known and really
52:39
S3: still don't have good handwriting, but I had I have
52:41
S3: really bad handwriting. Uh, it's not good. And I would always,
52:46
S3: when I made a d a lowercase d, it would
52:49
S3: come across the top line and, and look like a
52:52
S3: t crossing. And the kid who was grading my book,
52:55
S3: you could tell it was a D he called it
52:58
S3: out in front of the entire. He goes, I can't
52:59
S3: read this. And so the teacher picked up the book
53:02
S3: and she then proceeded to write on the chalkboard, Jonathan,
53:06
S3: this is how you make a D, this is how
53:08
S3: you make a T, and I'm 14 years old.
53:12
S7: Oh, this is okay. This took a turn. Yeah. And so.
53:17
S3: No, no, no. It was the closest I could remember
53:19
S3: to the most pressure I had felt. But. But I
53:22
S3: even even kids in the class who, like, didn't know
53:25
S3: me were like, okay, stop, teacher, you're embarrassing him. He
53:28
S3: knows how to make a tea. And it was pretty crazy.
53:32
S3: But by far the most pressure I ever felt was that.
53:35
S7: Oh, man.
53:36
S3: Yeah.
53:36
S5: It's getting worse as we go.
53:38
S7: Super day.
53:41
S4: I feel bad, I don't remember anything super.
53:43
S7: I was always composed.
53:45
S3: Well, she was she was like Tanya. She was she
53:47
S3: was the one putting the pressure on others.
53:50
S4: Um.
53:51
S3: She was her school's. Tanya.
53:53
S2: Recess queen.
53:54
S7: Yeah. I was hardly six foot tall. Greek. We're lucky
53:58
S7: to hit five foot.
53:59
S4: Okay. But anyways, um. Yeah, I feel bad. I really
54:03
S4: nothing's coming.
54:04
S2: Not even a dance or theater.
54:07
S7: Well, you.
54:07
S4: Always get the butterflies before you hit stage a little bit.
54:10
S4: That's the excitement of it.
54:11
S2: But I was calm, cool and collected.
54:13
S3: She always is. Still is.
54:15
S4: Man.
54:15
S2: You ever.
54:16
S7: Felt.
54:16
S2: Pressure, Carl?
54:17
S4: Yeah.
54:18
S5: Never in my life.
54:19
S2: Never.
54:21
S7: I mean.
54:22
S5: Felt pressure all the time. Mainly because I had orange
54:24
S5: hair and buck teeth. Seriously? Yeah. I mean, I felt
54:27
S5: pressure all the time, and I think the biggest pressure
54:33
S5: I ever felt, though, was for my parents. I didn't
54:36
S5: know it, but I saw him in the audience. I'm
54:39
S5: looking out. We had this big assembly, big performance thing
54:42
S5: and the whole choir singing something and saying something. It
54:47
S5: was the Christmas story or something like that. And I've
54:49
S5: got some part that I wasn't supposed to do yet.
54:53
S5: So I'm the only kid up there standing up there
54:56
S5: that's not saying anything. And my dad's a school principal
55:00
S5: and he's known in the district. And I found out later,
55:03
S5: my mom looks at him and says, Joe, he did
55:05
S5: not prepare.
55:07
S2: Oh, no.
55:08
S7: Oh my goodness.
55:09
S5: Yeah I know Eva. He didn't.
55:11
S7: They thought.
55:11
S2: The worst.
55:12
S5: And then my part came and then they had double
55:15
S5: the pressure because now I'm the featured voice of this.
55:18
S5: Oh goodness. I think I was Scrooge or something. So
55:20
S5: I had to do this whole part. And I had
55:22
S5: actually prepared my tail off. So they had pressure thinking
55:25
S5: their son totally swallowed his gum on this project. And
55:29
S5: then I had pressure when I had to speak up.
55:31
S5: And then my mom freaked out for me, but I
55:34
S5: but I know it was pressure because I can remember
55:36
S5: what I was wearing, what the lights were like in
55:39
S5: the gym. I could remember how the chairs were set
55:42
S5: up where everyone was sitting. I can remember the dessert
55:45
S5: afterward and going to bed that night. Now I don't
55:49
S5: have that.
55:49
S7: Kind of.
55:50
S5: Recall, but when you can recall stuff like that, you
55:54
S5: know what I'm saying?
55:55
S7: Oh yeah.
55:55
S5: That's it's.
55:56
S7: Etched in your.
55:57
S5: Brain.
55:58
S2: And I don't know. I mean, this is where you
56:00
S2: start sounding old when you say how it used to be.
56:02
S7: Oh yeah.
56:02
S5: But you are, you are. It's okay. You can sound old.
56:05
S7: But I definitely.
56:06
S2: Feel like we've scaled back some of those pressure moments
56:09
S2: for elementary school. Like my kids don't have near the
56:12
S2: kind of.
56:13
S7: And.
56:13
S5: I'm not in favor of.
56:14
S7: That. I'm not.
56:15
S2: Well, I mean, I think there's two sides of it.
56:18
S2: I mean, there's something, I guess, character building about being
56:20
S2: called to the mat and having to try to climb
56:23
S2: the rope to the top 100%.
56:25
S3: Absolutely.
56:26
S7: Oh, yeah. That was pressure. I'm not getting anywhere near
56:29
S7: the top. I can't even get my feet off.
56:31
S2: The ground with that rope. They don't do that to
56:34
S2: kids anymore. Like you don't have to pick teams. Like
56:36
S2: all of that stuff sort of been kind of neutralized.
56:39
S2: So some of that elementary school pressure's been just kind
56:43
S2: of just cast aside so they don't have to go
56:45
S2: through those rites of passage.
56:47
S3: I'm okay with not picking teams, but you need to do.
56:50
S7: The rope.
56:51
S3: Challenges in front of your peers. I didn't do the
56:54
S3: rope climb in front of people, but they made us
56:55
S3: do pull ups in front of people.
56:57
S7: Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was for the.
56:58
S5: Presidential fitness thing.
57:00
S3: Yeah, absolutely.
57:00
S5: In school.
57:01
S7: Flexed arm hang.
57:02
S5: I don't think it's all bad, though. I remember we
57:05
S5: changed a kid's life one day.
57:07
S7: Um, his name's John.
57:09
S5: Well, it was really cool. I saw his whole. This
57:13
S5: is now middle school. Oh, goodness sakes, I might cry
57:16
S5: over this one. Um, you know, our kids can be
57:20
S5: so cruel, but.
57:21
S7: Kids.
57:21
S5: Can also have great moments. And we had this. It
57:24
S5: was a 400 meter run. And I wasn't super fast
57:30
S5: at 400 meter, but I was fast at 102 hundred.
57:32
S5: So I think I came in second or something like
57:34
S5: that because there were better 400 meter runners. And but
57:38
S5: it's everyone in gym class. And when I got done,
57:42
S5: there was this kid named John. And I'm not going
57:45
S5: to say his last name, but. Guys, he was maybe
57:50
S5: 100m in when I finished. And he slowed down from there.
57:55
S5: And he was a kid that struggled with his weight
57:57
S5: big time. And he was a kid that got mocked
58:00
S5: a lot. And oh, goodness, I'm gonna cry. I don't
58:07
S5: know what happened, but man, a few of us started yelling,
58:10
S5: come on, John. Good grief, I'm crying.
58:13
S7: Oh.
58:14
S5: Uh, a few of us started yelling, come on, John.
58:19
S7: Yeah.
58:20
S5: And he's at about 200m and he can barely pick
58:25
S5: a foot up off the track, guys. And oh, goodness sakes.
58:30
S5: And everybody's finished now, and he's got 150m to go.
58:34
S5: And everybody's yelling come on John. Come on John. Come
58:39
S5: on John. And I watched that big old boy pick
58:42
S5: up his feet and lay him down. And he came
58:44
S5: across that finish line. Good gracious. He came across that
58:49
S5: finish line. And John's life changed that day, guys.
58:54
S4: Yeah.
58:56
S5: He stood tall. He started believing in himself like he
58:58
S5: can't believe. And I saw the whole trajectory of high school.
59:02
S5: I moved schools when I was a sophomore, but I
59:05
S5: saw his whole trajectory shift.
59:08
S2: So you think just him being able to complete.
59:12
S7: It.
59:12
S5: Was it was a pressure moment when everybody was looking
59:15
S5: at him, and it was a moment when he was
59:18
S5: probably dying in a pile. And to have that pressure
59:21
S5: moment be turned around into a cheering moment changed the
59:26
S5: trajectory of his life.
59:29
S3: That's right. If you think he if you think he
59:31
S3: wasn't thinking about the fact that he was the last
59:34
S3: one out there and that.
59:36
S5: He was, it was all written all over him, even
59:38
S5: on the backside of a track.
59:40
S3: I mean, sure, absolutely. And he's thinking, all these kids
59:44
S3: are looking at me. They're all done. They want to
59:45
S3: get inside, they want to be done with this. And
59:47
S3: I'm out here and they're all mad at me and
59:49
S3: they're laughing at me. And instead he comes around and
59:52
S3: he hears his name being screamed and he's being encouraged
59:55
S3: by his peers. It was the pressure taken off of him.
59:57
S5: Yeah, it was just cool for crying out pic. I
1:00:00
S5: have tears on my chin.
1:00:01
S2: Yeah you are. Wow, this really choked you up this morning.
1:00:05
S5: Yeah, it's okay though. Um, you know, pressure can be
1:00:10
S5: so hard, and sometimes it doesn't end well for people.
1:00:15
S2: No. And it's the pressure that you feel, regardless of
1:00:19
S2: what's on the line is so real. Like you. That's
1:00:24
S2: why you can still take yourself back to that. Those
1:00:26
S2: moments of pressure in elementary school, because was anything on
1:00:29
S2: the line with the presidential fitness test or climbing the rope?
1:00:32
S2: Of course not.
1:00:32
S7: No, just bragging rights or whatever.
1:00:35
S2: But you, when you feel like I gotta, I gotta
1:00:38
S2: do something here. Like people are looking at me. This
1:00:42
S2: is the time where I'm expected to perform. Like that
1:00:46
S2: feeling is real, whether you're 8 or 80.
1:00:49
S5: Oh, no. I gotta tell you, the worst one for me, though,
1:00:51
S5: without a doubt, was speech class.
1:00:53
S2: Oh, yeah.
1:00:54
S5: I mean, I could not get up in front of
1:00:57
S5: people and speak. Guys, I could not.
1:00:58
S4: You really?
1:01:00
S5: Oh yeah. And I mean, it was. I'm in 10th
1:01:04
S5: grade at Service High school and I'm in speech class.
1:01:08
S5: And it made it worse because there were seniors off
1:01:10
S5: the track team that I ran on that were in there.
1:01:13
S5: And I think people, because of my personality, thought he's
1:01:16
S5: going to get up there and nail it. Guys, I
1:01:19
S5: tell you, my voice was so trembling and my knees
1:01:24
S5: were I and no, there was no blood in my system.
1:01:27
S5: It all ran out somewhere. It was gone. Oh, that.
1:01:31
S5: Bless her heart. The teacher bailed me out and said,
1:01:33
S5: that's good, Carl, that's good. You did really good. And
1:01:36
S5: it's like, no, I didn't, I stunk. Yeah. And and
1:01:39
S5: I walked out of class that day and she grabbed
1:01:41
S5: me and she goes, listen, you just got to breathe
1:01:44
S5: a little bit. And she goes, I didn't know that
1:01:46
S5: this would be that hard for you. I said, it's
1:01:48
S5: just disabling, man. I can't even do it. Isn't that
1:01:51
S5: a and now look.
1:01:52
S2: Look at the irony.
1:01:53
S7: Right?
1:01:54
S3: Yeah, yeah.
1:01:55
S5: That's crazy. That's good, isn't he?
1:01:57
S7: Guys, he.
1:01:58
S3: Is very good.
1:01:58
S4: Oh.
1:01:59
S5: Well, that went a weird direction here today.
1:02:02
S3: It did.
1:02:03
S2: Pressure is a very relatable feeling. I mean, everybody has
1:02:09
S2: felt it.
1:02:10
S3: Every every age stage in life.
1:02:12
S5: Yeah. Yeah. And the big idea here today is, man.
1:02:19
S5: You know, you got a guy that's cheering for you.
1:02:21
S5: Come on John. Come on John, you got this. Pick
1:02:25
S5: your feet up, Saints.
1:02:28
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire, and everything is Greek to her.
1:02:33
S1: Super die is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
1:02:36
S1: on Moody Radio.
1:02:38
S5: Allie, this song is so powerful.
1:02:40
S2: It is. This is Psalm 46. I'm going to read
1:02:42
S2: it in its entirety. God is our refuge and strength,
1:02:45
S2: a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear.
1:02:49
S2: Though the earth give way, though the mountains be moved
1:02:52
S2: into the heart of the sea. Though its waters roar
1:02:54
S2: and foam, though the mountains tremble at its swelling. There
1:02:57
S2: is a river whose streams make glad the city of God,
1:03:00
S2: the holy habitation of the Most High. God is in
1:03:03
S2: the midst of her. She shall not be moved. God
1:03:05
S2: will help her when morning dawns. The nations rage, the
1:03:08
S2: kingdoms totter. He utters his voice. The earth melts. The
1:03:12
S2: Lord of hosts is with us. The God of Jacob
1:03:14
S2: is our fortress. Come, behold the works of the Lord.
1:03:17
S2: How he has brought desolations on the earth. He makes
1:03:20
S2: wars cease to the end of the earth. He breaks
1:03:23
S2: the bow and shatters the spear. He burns the chariots
1:03:26
S2: with fire. Be still and know that I am God.
1:03:29
S2: I will be exalted among the nations. I will be
1:03:32
S2: exalted in the earth. The Lord of hosts is with us.
1:03:35
S2: The God of Jacob is our fortress.
1:03:38
S5: Okay, guys, you got to get this. The sons of
1:03:41
S5: Korah wrote this song and you go, all right, sons
1:03:44
S5: of Korah. Quick history lesson. Coras rebellion. Cora and 600
1:03:50
S5: of his buddies got gobbled up by the earth. Okay,
1:03:52
S5: so here's the deal. Gobble gobble, gobble them up. He's like,
1:03:55
S5: you are not going to go against my chosen leader here, Moses. Okay,
1:04:00
S5: so here's what's crazy about this. So you might go,
1:04:03
S5: all right. Sons of Korah, they saw dad's rebellion, and
1:04:06
S5: now they're worship leaders. No, this had such an impacting.
1:04:12
S5: This had such impact on the nation of Israel. Get this.
1:04:15
S5: It's almost hard to get your head around. The sons
1:04:19
S5: of Korah wrote Psalm 46. Somewhere between 500 and 700
1:04:26
S5: years after Kora's rebellion. You ready for this? These guys
1:04:34
S5: were the sons, daughters, and extended family members of Korah
1:04:39
S5: that survived the gobbling up of the earth. And you
1:04:42
S5: know what they their takeaway was. It's right here in
1:04:45
S5: verse two. We will not fear. Though the earth gives way,
1:04:50
S5: though the mountains be moved into the heart of the sea. Why?
1:04:54
S5: Because they went back to God. They. They are saying
1:04:57
S5: almost 20 generations later, we are not going to turn
1:05:03
S5: our back on God. Under pressure, we are not going
1:05:07
S5: to try to figure our own way out of this mess.
1:05:09
S5: We are not going to put ourselves in rank, in
1:05:13
S5: authority and priority above the one true and living God.
1:05:16
S5: Although all hell is breaking loose around us, we are
1:05:21
S5: following God 19 generations, 20 generations later, the sons of Korah. Uh.
1:05:29
S5: Is anyone else blown by that? Blown away by that reality?
1:05:32
S5: Isn't that amazing?
1:05:34
S2: It is. And that little. That little detail of the
1:05:37
S2: though the earth give way that that hearkens.
1:05:39
S7: Back to that.
1:05:40
S2: Actually happening, the ground opening up and swallowing thousands of
1:05:45
S2: people at one time because of this rebellion. And you
1:05:48
S2: know that God is our very present help in trouble,
1:05:52
S2: that he's our refuge and strength no matter what, no
1:05:56
S2: matter what catastrophe could happen.
1:05:59
S5: It's so powerful, ally. This is so amazingly relevant to
1:06:05
S5: every area of our life. And here's what's beautiful about this. These,
1:06:08
S5: the sons of Korah, they wrote what they captured. They
1:06:10
S5: captured the most catastrophic things that could happen in life.
1:06:15
S5: Pressing in on you, going, we're running to God. No
1:06:19
S5: matter where this pressure comes from, we're going straight to God.
1:06:23
S3: And you know, I love I love kind of the
1:06:26
S3: breaking of of generational chains from that too. Because have
1:06:30
S3: you ever, when you're like in a pressurised situation and
1:06:32
S3: you do something you know that you shouldn't do, or
1:06:35
S3: you run a direction you shouldn't run, you realize, oh yeah,
1:06:38
S3: that's what my mom used to do. Oh yeah. That's
1:06:40
S3: what my dad used to do. And I'm doing the
1:06:42
S3: same thing right now when I'm under pressure. And this
1:06:46
S3: these people who were in this line of Korra. Korra
1:06:50
S3: is infamously known. He's written in Scripture. And so everyone
1:06:54
S3: would have known. Oh, yeah. Sons of Korra. That's who
1:06:56
S3: they are. They're saying when the going gets tough, I'm
1:07:00
S3: not running the same way the people who came before
1:07:02
S3: me did. I'm running to God.
1:07:04
S7: Boom!
1:07:06
S5: I just get blown away. There's. I love stories, but
1:07:09
S5: when you get back stories on passages. This is why
1:07:12
S5: I read in the Bible in a way that you're
1:07:13
S5: getting some contextual understanding and historical understanding. Just a mind blower.
1:07:20
S7: Man.
1:07:20
S3: Unlocks it.
1:07:21
S5: Yeah. So these sons of Korra, they kept for generations going, yeah,
1:07:26
S5: I ain't going to be my dad. I'm not going
1:07:27
S5: to be my granddad. I'm not going to be my great, great,
1:07:30
S5: great grand. I'm not going to be my great, great, great.
1:07:32
S5: You see how it goes on and on.
1:07:33
S7: Yeah.
1:07:34
S5: I mean, wow. No, no. When when the pressure gets hot.
1:07:39
S5: I'm running to God. And that's powerful, man.