Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Feminist Movie Friday: Die Hard

Transcript

Feminist Movie Friday: Die Hard · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and awcome to stuff.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I never told you a production of iHeartRadio, and today
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: we are so happy to be joined by a friend
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: of the show and I r L friend, Lauren Vogel
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Ba Lauren, thank you. Yeah, so good to be here. Yes,
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: you've been on the show before. Samantha has joined us
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: over on the show, Lauren and I co host Saver.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sure the listeners know about us by now,
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: but it's always exciting when we get to like cross
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: the streams as they say, oh yeah, yes, which is
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: a different movie we're not talking about today. But when
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: we were hanging out recently and just chatting, we were
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: talking about Possible said you could come on, and we
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: were talking about how we have this feminist movie Friday
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: segment we do every month, and we were trying to
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: choose a movie, and you were like, die Hard? Can
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: I come on and talk about die Hard?
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Because we were like to Christmas movies die Hard. I
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, this debate here we go.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I know that this is a meme now,
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: but genuinely, like growing up, my dad and I would
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: watch two movies every year for Christmas and it would
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: be White Christmas and die Hard.
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: That's a very.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: Very two ex extreme movies.
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: This actually probably says more about my personality that I'm
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: really willing to delve into.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. So like you are the cutest, like
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: like the like elvish type person that I've ever met,
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: but then also you are very dark and emo, So
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, she is that perfect mix. So there it is.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: There makes so much sense.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothinging feet and beautiful costume. Yeah that's right, beautiful costume. Yes,
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: always smiling even when it's bad.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even when you're.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Telling me something you hate, you're still smiling.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's I That's that's what makes
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: it fun, right.
• 2:14
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly, that could almost be the slogan of
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: the show. Always smile, like even.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: Though we're crying. Yes.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: But the interesting thing, because we all watched this smoothe
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: to prepare, I had only seen it. I saw it
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: after college. This the first time I saw it, and
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. But last night I was watching
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: it and I was like, you know, I do feel
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: that they captured the fear I have around holiday parties.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: That is fair. I felt like it was very night eighties.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: It was like that, like they encompassed the eighties corporate
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: party of what we think about today. I'm like, for sure,
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: between the coke, between the two coworkers trying to find space,
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: like there're so many You're like, dare it is? Yeah, yep,
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: that's what I especially in California, what you would expect
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: from LA, which is where it's supposed to take place,
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: which I'm like, huh. And the limo dude, like that's
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: just the whole added plus. But yeah, I'm with you. Annie.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: I actually did not watch this until way after college
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: because it was one of those debated things. I don't
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: care about Bruce Willis, That's not a thing for me,
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: and so I've never watched I don't think I've ever
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: seen any of his movies outside of the No that
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: was a little while later, but like A sixth Sense
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: was the one that I had remembered most. But like
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: a group of a friend of a couple of friends
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: of mine, a couple friend of mine was like, no,
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: we're doing uh Christmas viewing and it was Elf and
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: die Hard and because I was so like, no, I
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to that, like you have to come, so
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: I ended up going to a group watching these two
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: movies for Christmas, okay, and that was when the debate came.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I do have a point I want
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: to come back to at the end about this. But
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: I do think there's been a surge of much recent
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: much more recently obviously, of sort of the like movies
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: that are backlash against holidays, like holiday horror movies, crampus,
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: that whole thing. Yes, And I feel like when I
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: was watching this, because it had been a minute since
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: i'd seen it, I was like, oh, yeah, this feels
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: like it's tapping into that like ho ho ho, here's
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: a dead body like that sort of here's the holidays.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: But they're violent, Yeah, hyper violent.
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: I forget every time I watch this film and again,
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: like I watch it like at least once a year,
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: how hyper violent it is. And I'm like, wow, go
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: go team, Like, yeah, it's sort.
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: Of doing like the opposite of all the like sweets. Yeah.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: I mean your mileage can vary on how sweet and
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: fuffy those movies are actually, but like that kind of
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: whole vibe of the holidays and this is like no, no, no,
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: this is gritty, this is yeah, yes, yes, and holiday
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: parties are rough. We were just talking about them right
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: before this. Yeah.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very awkward all the time, you know, even
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: even when you genuinely enjoy hanging out with your co workers,
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: which which we do. Yeah, I mean for the most part,
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: you know, like like like like Ace's team, Yes at
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: iHeart podcasts, but.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: Woof yeah hoof. Indeed, Samantha and I, I think we've
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: told you this long, but we like have at least
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: two or three episodes that were us recovering from our
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: office holiday party where you're like, I don't know why
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: I was so upset about I was crying. I don't
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: know what's going on.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: Traumatized, traumatized.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Yes, And this movie
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: definitely tapped into that. But Lawrence, since you are expert,
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: can you break down the plot of this film for us? Sure? Okay?
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: So, So Diehard is a movie about this New York
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: Salt of the Earth cop John McClain, and you meet
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: him as he is flying out to la where you
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: find his wife has spent the last six months, you know,
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: being a career girl and like and like she took
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: the kids with her and she's really like moving up
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: at this company, the Nacotomy Corporation, and he's been a
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: little salty about the whole thing, like he kind of
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: expected her to fail and come home and that is
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: not what has gone on. So he's kind of coming
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: out for Christmas and to hopefully apologize. I think that
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: that's what he's moving towards. But yeah, so he gets
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: there and oop, a bunch of terrorists have taken over
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: the Nacatobi building and are holding everybody hostage, and it
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: kind of goes from there where he winds up kind
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: of single handedly saving the day, despite the fact that
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of bumbling machismo like higher ups in the
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: cop hierarchy and also FBI agents try to mess everything up.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, they really do.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: And honest, they are all very bloodthirsty, like they are
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: excited for dead body. I was like, Dale, they don't.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: They give no shout death. They're like, let's get more bodies. Yeah,
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: let's get the cowgoing. We're celebrating down here, And I
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: was like, what the is happening here?
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is nineteen eighty eight.
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: We are totally cool with killing terrorists. That's one hundred
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: percent chill.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: FBI was like twenty five percent of of the hostages
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: are gonna die.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: I'm good with that number. Literally, yeah, it a line.
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: It's a line. They're supposed to not be good guys.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: It's painted.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: It is not cool.
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: Like one of them is literally in a helicopter going like,
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: oh man, it's just like Sagon and.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: You're like.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: Real racist, yeah, hyper violent, but yeah, is that is
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: that enough of a okay?
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: So so, by the by.
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: The end of the movie, uh the the other Salt
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: of the Earth cop played by mister Winslow yes from
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: Family Matters, Reginald Bell Johnson I believe is the actor's name,
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: and uh so, so he's just like on the on
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: the walkie talkie with John McLean played by Bruce Willis
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: the entire time, and they start a friendship.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: They hug at the end. It's really sweet.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: They have a moment that look like this is a
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: fan fiction. Look, yes, this is where the fan fation
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: begins with the two of them.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: His character does also go through an arc where you
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: find out that he's he's been off the beat for
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: a while because he accidentally shot a kid and he's
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: really upset about it.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: But by the end of the movie, he learns to
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: murder again. Right, that was weird.
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, why is he why
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: is his choice that he's not so much confuting him?
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: And why this is a celebration here.
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: But the other good thing is that is that John
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: McLean's wife, Holly. I just realized that that's a Christmas pun. Yes,
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: I've been watching this for thirty years plus.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: Wow, when you know something so well, those obvious things
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: like yeah, pass over, you know, yeah, don't all right,
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm back. I just couldn't be a second.
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, and she and she learns that that
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: she has to take her husband's name and be a
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: better wife. So that's also really the important message of
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: the film.
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: Because she didn't take her husband name and went back
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: to me. She was saved for a very very long
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: time until the uh unscrupulous as as my Wikipedia tells
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: me TV anchor.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah goes goes and threatens they're they're probably racist caricature nanny, yes,
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: all the things the hell Yeah, yeah, they're probably Mexicana nanny.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: He threatens to like call.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: The immigration service, yeah, immigration service, yeah yeah.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: And this is also like do you have a lot
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: of I have a lot of themes I want to
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: talk about, but also Alan Rickman is Hans the main villain,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: the main villain?
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, can we talk about the accents? Soon happened?
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: This was This is where I'll say, like the classic eighties,
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: nineties early nineties movies where you see the acting and
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: you know like, oh yeah, there's a differentiation of some acting,
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: like Bruce Willis has come a long way baby like
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: to his more recent movies. To seeing that you're like, yeah, okay,
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like the bar was fairly low. Alan Rickman
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: did amazing. He did his job. No yeah, no, no,
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: you know, no qualms with his acting at all. And
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: all of the all of the villains were hype villain like.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Perfect eighties German villains.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was definitely like the that was the and
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: it still happens, but like the time of the foreign
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: villain of like.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: They're all well still kind of all the like even
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: though they're German like, but the Cold War idea because
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: like yeah, kind of differentia. But anyway, but all of
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: those things, the accents, I was like, wow, this is
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: amazing just for the accents alone.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alan rick been doing that German accent, I.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Think the American accent, and then the utiful who plays
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: the security guard up front turning into like a cowboy. Yeah,
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: this is amazing, thank you. But anyway, going back to
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: the plot, I just have to interject what I think
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: of these days because I'm like, wow, I forgot what
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: the eighties action movies really really was like at the.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: Time, and then they blew everything up, everything that could
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: possibly be blown.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Up, Yes, blew up. Yes. Well, I did want to
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: talk about kind of the whole arc with Holly John,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Queen's wife, and it's interesting to me because she is
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: painted as very successful. She's like rising up in this corporation.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: She's doing really well. She has this watch that she got.
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: They just gave her a watch. It's a Rolex looking
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: for it, yes, and.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: She's like it was interesting because she's paying it. Is
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: very competent. She like, yeah, a lot of times in
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: these movies it's not. But she is definitely painted as
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: very a very competent person, both in terms of her
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: job but also in terms of she's the one that
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: comes in and talks to Hans.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Does yeah, like the hostage negotiation kind of stuff. Yeah,
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: she's she's like hey, like like, can we get some
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: restroom runs, like we've got a rugant lady, Like, how
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: can we handle this?
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So she is painted in that way. But
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: it does cack me up that at the end, Hans
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: is like pulling her down. He's falling out the window
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: and he's holding onto her wrist and he's got the watch.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: So Jaclin has to get the watch off so that
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: she'll and it kind of felt like, oh right, this
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: is a symbol of her rising up in this job.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: And then yes, she does take his name at the ends,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: which is like whatever, if that's what you want to do.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: But sure I feel it because I have seen all
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: the other movies and don't they like they don't work
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: out ultimately, Pretty sure why I don't, I don't remember.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure at least in every movie she's like
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: they've broken up again again again.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: So I've never seen the other movies. I will say
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: it was hilarious and thank you American capitalism that the
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: original was unavailable anywhere and you had to purchase it,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: but everything else is available. All the diehards are everyone.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, few son of us.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: They do that during the holidays, though, they know to
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: watch it. Yep, yeah, yes, capitalism.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: But I will say so. The actress is a Bonnie
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Badilia who was the it girl of the eighties movies.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: If you remember her, she was in things like Needful
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Things and The Stranger, which was like kind of suspenseful movies,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: and then of course all of the other uh diehard movies.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Apparently they break up in all of them.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: It's like everyone like, oh, they're broken up again, and
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: then they get back together at the end, and then
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: the next one, oh my gosh, they're broken up again.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: But her career was on a high through the late eighties,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, Like you see her in so many movies,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: So seeing her in this role was like, that is
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: the curly haired brunette, auburn looking young women who had
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: the had were pretty but still looked mommish.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: That makes sense, yeah, like pretty normal, yeah yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And I remember seeing like seeing her. But she's always
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: they always had to play the cool like being really
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: cool and soft spoken and just easygoing characters. So seeing
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: her in these roles quite make me like like, yes,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: this is just her and herself. Because she was such
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a stable in several of the movies in the film
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: that I had seen growing up that I'm like, yeah,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: this makes says that she's in this role specifically where
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: she had to be the calm, cool one but kind
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: of protected but not necessarily being protected, but obviously with
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: her independence, still knowing that she needed her man.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah. That's kind of the interesting thing because
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like when this movie came out, it was
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: when women were really going to the office in droves. Actually,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: funnily enough, we've talked about this on Savior plenty of times.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: It was like changing how we ate food, like it
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: was just a big deal.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: The TV Dinners we were talking about that too, exactly.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it changed how we ate lived, did things. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: so she goes to this job because it's a great
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: opportunity for her. He doesn't go because he's a New
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: York cop. I believe he says like, I'm a New
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: York cop repeatedly, Yes, And it's not pained as a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: bad thing, but it still is in the end like
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: kind of undone. It's very interesting thing, right. I feel
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like a lot of movies were doing it this time
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, you can do it, ladies, and
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: then but do you want to though you.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Certainly can, but should you.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Write it doesn't like make your seem like a bad mom,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: which is what I was worried about because I hadn't
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: seen it in a while. Yeah, but it is still
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: kind of like but she could be at home though,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And right, get back to this guy, even though he
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: apparently doesn't know how to say he's.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Sorry right, well, like like interestingly, I think he gets
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: way more emotional over the course of the film than
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: she does. I mean, he's you know, he's the star
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: of the film and she's not. But but there's a
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: whole scene where he's like really kind of like almost
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: crying over this walkie to mister Winslow al that the
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: characters stay as well, but and and going like man
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: like if I don't make it out, just tell my
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: wife that I'm sorry and I messed up.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And she was right the whole time, and.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Which is very which is very smart, like that they
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: have that conversation after all of this is over right,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: exactly right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't just say it to.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: L but take it back, because you know when people
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: say things and admit things and they're like, I'm just kidding.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: That was just that was just maybe an emotion. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: don't know. So in the y'all haven't seen any of
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the other Diehards, because there's like ten, I see you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: have some of them.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't like watched them the way that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I've watched this one, though.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Does she keep looking at this place? Does he move
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: out to La?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I know he doesn't move out
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to La. I mean I could listeners please correct me
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But I had a huge crash on
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: justin Long at one point. So I saw number four.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I saw number four several times. And there's also a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Star Wars scene in number four, So like, yeah, I've
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seen that one a bunch, and I'm pretty sure they
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: were in New York. Okay, okay, oh so there you
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: do go by to New York. I feel like they
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: bounce around.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they bounce around, but in the end
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: they end up divorcing they Yeah. I mean my vibe
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: was again like every movie ends with them back together
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and everyone starts with broken up again, which is you
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: know that happens in these many sequels, it.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Also happens in real life.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was like the third or fourth
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: time you finally give up.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, well, yeah, you keep getting into these
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: hostage situations.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: My guy like yeah, yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: She does have one line where she's like, only John
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: could make someone that angry when she's driving a terrorist
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: and I.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Was like, uh, someone is crazy. Someone drive to someone crazy.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, that is such like a nineties men
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: are so crazy. Just drives me crazy.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean she does seem like the type that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: can like match him. But is that always a good thing? Yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, I did want to mention the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: eighties was definitely when this whole thing was happening, where
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the Mavericks were the heroes, like the guys who don't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: listen to the rules and right. And there's an l
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: list about this that I find quite comical called the
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Iceman List, which is saying like a lot of times
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they weren't so good after all, but that we're
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: painting them as heroes. I feel like the FBI agents
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: were very, very bad a lot of times. It's like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the government entity that's stopping them from doing whatever they
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: want to do is bad. Like they were legitimately like
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: really bad. But I just when I was watching this,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, Ice bed list. H Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely a line that John has where he's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like like, oh yeah, like that's what my captain keeps
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: telling me.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, is it?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Lol?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're kind of illoilling? Are you
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: lolling about how many terrorists you just murdered.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That you just keep killing?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It does have some scenes that are kind of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: comically violent. I forgot. I was like, oh wow, those
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: legs are just getting shot.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: The beginning scene with him just killing off the security
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: dude killing off I like, well, damn, he doesn't seem
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: so unnecessary, like it was so immediate okay, okay, yea,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and everybody's just calm.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've I've been, which is like part of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I think right, like it's supposed to be shocking, it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: supposed to be you know, this very like like Frank
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Miller kind of version of reality where like just these
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: these people just do not care about life or death
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and that's part of why they're like immediately coated is bad,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: but then neither just John McLay, So I'm not sure.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like it's is it like is it
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: like an orc situation where like, once you have determined
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that these people are bad. It doesn't matter if you
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: murder them or not.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Right, And can we talk about him just throwing a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: body out the window on police go Yeah, and then
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the police car, bro those are okay, so they're closely
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: automatic weapons. How in the hell are you not shooting
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: this parton? And then like he just keeps driving, so
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: you're like he's definitely dying now, Like what is happening?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I love how he just like his car kind of
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: plummets off a cliff one, like a little English and
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: it's still upright, and he just gets out like wipes
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the head.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, whoa.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, mister Winslow, you have a concussion. You're gonna
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: have whiplash.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: What is happening? I also love that the nine one
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: one operator here's a gunshots and be like it's a joke.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that too.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: They're like proof just a prank, the old holiday prank
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: happens every year, a.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Terrorist attack and shoot some gun.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Right, it's both pro law enforcement and then a cap
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: as well as like both of those things, and you're.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Like it's an interesting Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a weird dynamic here, but okay, I guess.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not entirely copaganda Christmas movie, but like it
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: does come close.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the ending.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: As we said, yes, that was a strange. Yeah. Another
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about because I've noticed in
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of my holiday movies I watch, it is
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest themes is the absent dad and divorce.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And then at the.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: End of the movie, you know, they've like I don't know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Usually in my case not Diehard, it's like they've felt
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the meaning of Christmas and they go back to their
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: family they got this gift for you or whatever.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But in this it's much more like, I don't know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: He uses violence to protect his wife and then they reconnect.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Is such a huge trope, like that whole idea of
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the absent father during the holidays.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmmm mm hmmmm hm.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: He does bring a bear for his like a big
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: stuffed teddy bear for his kid.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because he does it. As you said, Lauren,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: he's very salty about it coming to he's coming to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the holidays. He does have that line where he's like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: oh wow, where he's like unless she's signing the checks,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: talking about his wife taking her maiden name back. Yeah. Yes,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but it's just interesting to me that that is such
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a big trope right in these things.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's another trope that we didn't hit on.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: But like this immediate sexual harassment, yes, that Holly has
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to experience from the coworker who ends up being a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: coked out like kind of a hero. Like you're like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: what is he doing? I don't understand what's happening here,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and we mean coaked down in two different ways because
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: he also has a coke as he could get shot,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: which is lovely. I guess at least he gave him
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a refreshment.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Coca Cola.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: It's like, yes, that's definitely how we wanted our product
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: to be used.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Silo was like, what the hell? But yeah, the having
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the immediate like sexual harassment and then you're thinking maybe
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: they're having an affair for a split second because you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. Then you oh, he's just
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: harassing her to like, and then he's also somehow mocking
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the husband. Yeah slash you know, Bruce.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a really negative portrayal of
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that type of eighties masculinity, which I appreciate. The movie
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: for doing like I like like it's played, it's played
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: for laughs, and he is shown to be several times
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: over a moron and uh, and so I kind of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: love it, Like I kind of love having that caricature
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I do love that there's because this is like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: your mom dude bro and competent guy. Yeah, you can imagine.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: He's rude to his boss, he's doing cocaine at work,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he's having sex with a coworker. He's like the worst dude,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but he thinks he's so competent. And when he goes in.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: To like negotiate, yeah, because he tries to take control
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: of the whole hostage situation.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: While Holly is like, don't do it, man, he goes
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: in to do it and he's so he has like
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the most white guy confidence I've ever seen. He's just like, oh,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I've got and then immediately is killed. But like and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: they after being giving up this very important information that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: makes the whole situation worse. But he does it so confidently,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: so confidently, but it's painted. It's painted as a very
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: as the audience were supposed to be like, oh this guy,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: which I appreciate.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: To I think they also made him seem like he
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: was gonna betray like he did say a stupid thing,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: but he didn't actually portray the wife like you thought
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: he was gonna go in there and be like, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that's so and so she brought him because it's her husband. Whatever.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: He was smart enough to realize not to say that part.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So you kind of like they gave him a redeeming arc,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: but his stupidity. I don't know if they were trying
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to get a little sympathy for him, Yeah, but it
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: was like, what what are you holding your breast?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Worst?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: He's not great, but he's not the worst.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Good not good? Right, Yeah, we've already kind of talked
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: about this for a second, but I didn't want to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: come back to you know, watching this, I was like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this male friendship is happening here, and you don't, yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: too often, you don't, you don't.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, John and Al really make a connection over their
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: walkie talkies. They're they're talking about, you know, like it
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: comes out that right that that Al about to have
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: his first kid, and they're like talking about their children
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and their family life, and uh.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It's sweet, Yeah it is. And it's kind of funny
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: how it's done. It's parsonoy that feels sort of silly
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: where they're like hey man, yo man, Like it's very
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: kind of very macho, but it it is like they
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: actually do talk about some serious and they do bond
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and I don't know. I was kind of like, oh,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: this is because I feel like that can happen in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: these action movies. But a lot of times at the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: end it's sort of you good man, and then they
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: are like all, oh no, I'll never see you again,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or like let's forget that ever happens.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Still, like this is part of the beginning of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: White Men, Black Man's Sidekick. Oh yeah, because we see
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that with lethal weapon and all of that, Like I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: wonder if that was supposed to be. I think you
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: kind of had that with the limo driver, which is
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: just absently they are to get all the chilling and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you know, not worrying about a thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, our guyle is down, Like our guyle is there.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: John McClain, he's like, he's like, I really hope this
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: works out for you and your lady. I'm gonna stay
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: and like party out on in this limo.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, what is this job that he could just wait
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: for someone I get like, I know he wasn't paid
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: by the corporation because a part of this was that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: they didn't know if he was coming, right, he left
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: everybody in limbo, and then the company's like, I'm gonna
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: get you a fancy limo to come to the office.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Because this makes sense.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: He has a line when he's on the car phone
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: because there's a phone and it's very fancy when he's
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: on the phone in the car with a buddy and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: he's he's like, nah, man, like my boss thinks I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: in Las Vegas right now.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: The little confusion of this job.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: At the end, he picks up John and Holly just
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: drive away through this robbly.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Like after he rails a whole vehicle, takes a couple
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of people out, and then.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: It's just like destroyed building and he's driving through the
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: l As he's kissing me, he's like, I can't wait
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: for New Year's that big line little Christmas looks like
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I can't wait.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I want to be here for New Years, which is hysterical.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But going back to the friendship, Okay, yeah, yeah, can
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you the fact that John McClain tells everything on this
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: radio that everybody has access to like, I'm the most
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: confused person. I'm like, you don't want to give the name,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but you're giving all this information that you have a kid,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Like that's just a pretty big like don't tell people
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like only they're all sharing a line like he's like, oh,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: what the hell is happening?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like this says it seemed like.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: A smart part of the plot. I'm getting Am'm not
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: getting this.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And maybe there's like a cut scene where he was like, Hans,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: can you go to channel two? I really have to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: talk about my kids. I'm having an emotional moment and
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you're toxic for me. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry pulling glass
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: out of my feet right now.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So I gotta tell them about what building I'm in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and we have what floor I'm on, and what am
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I about to do? Don't you worry, I'm not I'm
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: not up here on the roof.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. Definitely not on the roof. All right, talk
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get past that. I was like, why does
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: he keep telling he knows they're on this? Oh my god.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I mean in the end, that wasn't how he got outed.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: But still that's true.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: But you know, and when they when they see at
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the end, when they see each other like like soft lens,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: like through like the smoke of the building.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Being on fire, caress the yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and like the slow like they don't even
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: have to say a word, they just know who they
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: know that this is their like long lost buddy.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that they slowly come together. Yeah, because
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like he's already got his wife. Yeah. It looks like
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: they're slow mow walking each other to each other in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the fog, like through the crowd of people as a
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: separate the crowd separates, and I'm like, this is isn't
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: this supposed before the wife like.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they like bigle giggle together and then
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: embrace and yes, so nice, right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It is nice. It is well, but it threw me
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: off to like what is going on? There's some holerodic
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: context here, and you know what you do?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: You just dudes being brows man, Yeah, just just dudes.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Being brows Oh wow, speaking of I did want to mention
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: not being bros. But I do find it interesting in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of these action movies that are mostly men
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: where but not always where there's like the dude ego
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: part of it where the dude villain is always like, oh,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he's mine. If they have just not done that, then
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I think would have been worked out well for the terrorists.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: But he's like, no, right, right, he's mine.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And also again they have to semi automatic weapons. They're
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: just randomly shooting. How do you know it's yours? Like
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: at this point, you're just shooting up everything, dude. Yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: you would go for the glass and went everywhere.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I the one who's going after him, Carl,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: because he killed his brother right and wrote a rude
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: message on her shirt in his own blood, So that's
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean dropped it from into an elevator,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Like I would be pissed as well.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Now I've got a machine gun. Ho ho ho.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like, if I got a message like that,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, this guy is crazy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'm out right, like he's playing with dead body instead
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: of just leaning it. What he threw a dead body
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: out the window? Anybody else just like.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: And so they do it in New York, Man, I
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: don't know, I'm not sure. I don't think that's how
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you in New York. I could be wrong.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: New Yorkers, mad, We don't throw dead bodies? How dare you? Yeah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the whole thing, like I do love it isn't quite entertaining.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It was two hours and twelve minutes long. I'm like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: oh my.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: God, that's a very hour.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, we've come back to that now. I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: think we're short just backtrack and being like, okay, let's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: do this less. But like the entirety as we set
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: up and seeing the explosions everywhere are and my question
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: of like how did that survive? How did this go?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Why are they doing? Like so many questions I get
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: like Willing's suspension of disbelief for a Darling Christmas movie
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: as is, but there's so much of like, wow, eighties,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: did we really think this was okay?
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that they really they really
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: wanted to develop Hans Gruber's concept out, you know, because
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it turns out that right, he's not. He sells himself
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: as a terrorist. I was there for ideological reasons, but
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: it turns out he just wants money. There's just a
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: bunch of like bonds or something in the vault, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and so so that that's kind of the twist that like, oh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: like this this dude is not actually an ideological villain.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: He's just a thief, right.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: There's no real reason. And six million dollars was like,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: there's ten of them, ten of them, So I'm like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you're not even going to get a million dollars.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I think I think it was sick. I think there
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: was six hundred million. Oh yeah, but sure.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Still in the end, that's not like what that's not
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: like it's you know what I'm saying, like to do
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that amount of damage, right, And apparently they planned this
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to the core. Yeah, and they had always ended to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: kill them.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like thirty hostages.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: For that amount of money is like, that seems silly.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: You've never played D and D.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Apparently I've never really wanted to rob anybody either, So
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: there's that. I guess both of those things.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: You know, he clearly he's got a very nice suit.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: He clearly has good tastes. He did talk to you know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: keep up those subscriptions to Forbes or whatever.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That's fair yead. Oh my gosh, I read it in
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the Forbes.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: He said, yes, of course we have to do some
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Alan Rickman love oh see, being the ultimate bad guy.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I really I did not correlate him from the past
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: like obviously to see him in that, you're like, oh, he's.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so slick and so funny, and and the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: and and the character is portrayed as being super smart,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: which I which I love, and very ginger. He's also
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's ginger anywhere else. Ever, the Auburn
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Red was in and then it was yeah, it was
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but but but also like notably like does
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: not like because eventually he takes Holly hostage and no
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: threats of sexual violence, zero, nothing like that at all,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: which that was a like for like nineteen eighty eight.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really impressed. I'm like, heck yeah, heck yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: No trying to take off clothes, no chin to any
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh yeah yeah, Like I mean like in
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the heat of everything, like you kind of like like
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: her shirt is like a little bit open, like you
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: still like a quarter of a boob, but it's like
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: not even really played up that hard. But yeah, no,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I I Alan Rickman, You're too good.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: You're too good for us, right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I will say again, I'm trying to do the American accent.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I've never heard him trying to do that again,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't know if there's other movies
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: that he does, but I was like why it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Was very bad. It was also very bad and.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Also it took me. I forgot the whole like plot
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: that ris Willa's characters. John mcclayon knows that he's not
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: this hostage. He does know that, but he's playing along
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: with them. But as you're trying to figure it out,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: like how do you know recog nicest voice like John
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Alan Rickman has the most distinct voice ever, and then
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: also his pauses like I guess I probably have some
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: annunciation stuff as well. You know that you're like share,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: we all do, but his is so specific that I'm like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I think I think he didn't immediately know that he
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: wasn't a hostage, but he wasn't going to give a
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: loaded gun to someone that he didn't know. Yeah smart, smart, yes,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: but yeah, and especially like I and I do love,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I do love the way that like this very again
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: like very slick, very eighties kind of power suit villain
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: is put up against John McLean, you know, who's like
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: running around in like a in like a tank top
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: and no shoes the entire movie. He eventually loses the
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: tank top.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: He does, so I was like, wait, he does so so.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Much to that. I was like, okay, I know again,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I have not watched this, so I can't appreciate it
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: in his heyday because when you have him backed on
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a film, you're like, oh, okay, I get it. Yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you don't get it truly truly get it. But I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was like, what didn't decide he doesn't need shoes? Like
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that was such an early on lot that I was like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: why I love that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I love this about this movie actually because like it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: a way of showing vulnerability and like salt of the earthiness,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: which is a really important.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Part of the character.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And uh and like really putting him at a disadvantage,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: like every possible disadvantage against these very you know, well
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: healed like literally well healed villains and then putting him
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: up against that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love how like American exceptionalism.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: It is, yes, and yeah, how very very nineteen eighties. Yes,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I also I have to admit y'all that like that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: like like shirtless, bleeding John McClain and really slick suited
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Alan Rickman Man, Like I watched this movie at an
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: impressionable age okay, and like both of those tropes of
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: inappropriately informed my sexuality.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Another ship, I bet Oh my god.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I need you to do some research any.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Fix, I'm ready, Oh my gosh.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Oh. But yeah, like it's just really playing with ideas
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: of masculinity. I genuinely like like rewatching this film and
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: you know, like I was a little bit biased because
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I knew I was about to come talk to y'all
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: about it, but I was like, this, this movie is
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: explicitly about changing gender norms and the changing views of
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: masculinity that were going on during this time period. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: then everything blows up.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It's everything I want in a film.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I really enjoyed it. I will
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: say also, we've talked about this before both on Saver
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and a Speak Team, but this was also when the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: US was really panicked about japan access. So just like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the whole nectumb Plaza and all that stuff that that
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: was a big thing that was happening during the eighties.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: For sure. I also wanted to talk about the tech
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: just for fun, yes, because you know, I love talking
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: about older technology. I love all of the stuff in
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the limo, Like you've got the CD, the VCR, he says.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: He says, the.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Old timey like check in device, touch screen, like touch screen,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: check and device.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Let's going to tell you how to piss or hold
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like hold hold it while you piss. That's what he said.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: That's how he learned, Like the villain's learned. She's changed,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Holly changed her name. Oh. I just love stuff like this.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I love looking back and.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and all the like state of the art computer
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: graphics are going on.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: The riding out of the coming out, I was like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: oh my god, we're in it now.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: There's also Yeah, there's there's a few other moments in
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: that movie where I'm like, we are really in nineteen
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: eighty eight, Like gas is seventy four cents a gallon, yes, yeah,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And he's like smoking in an airport yea, in the car.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: In the car he's like open carrying a gun and
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a holster under his jacket at the airport.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening in this fill Oh so
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: strange to look at it now it is it is that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that kind of stuff. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: did also want to mention, speaking of tropes, the holiday
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: trope is like the part of the whole plot of
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the holiday trip, the holiday party trope. It's sort of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a whole plot point in this. And I have to say, again,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: looking back at the holiday movies I watch every year,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that is a common theme. The holiday party never goes well.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: It's it causes something usually not good. Is I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like a it makes sense, the getting
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: all the people together in one place and the drama
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and all of that will unfold, whether it is at
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the party, whether it's when you get home. And they're like,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: wait for sure, but I do find that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Interesting, sure, Sheriff's I mean, you know, you could also
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: make an argument that it's you know, kind of trying
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: to talk about the psychological stress of that kind of environment.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Spin it out into a more you know, interesting story. Then,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: like I was pit sweating a little, like that's not good.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: That's not a good movie. No, but well it depends, okay,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: depends on the pit swhich I guess.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I suppose you're right. I hadn't even thought of that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: thing to worry about. I did, like, unfortunately, I do
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: think like the creeper hitting on you at work at
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: a holiday party is a pretty a not uncommon experience
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and not necessarily in our office parties, but I've certainly
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: been to somewhere I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: she immediately is dealing with that. Yeah yes, but then finally, yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to end on this trend that I
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: feel like Diehard was really tapping into that feeling that
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: is causing this trend of like kind of the anti
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: holiday movie holiday movie that's like, yeah, it has all
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the decor, has Christmas lights as Christmas saying, it even
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: has like music, but it's not a darker then like
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it does. It does have some regular songs, but like
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the actual like orchestra behind some of the scenes is
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of darker notes of Christmas tuos.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: A very eighties action movie. Yeah, Like there it is.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: There's the all of the synthesizers in the background, like
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: waiting for something to happen for two and.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: A half hours.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if it Like, I mean, I'm sure
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: there was already films like this for holidays as well.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Also it's probably the beginning of where it's like it's
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: just based on the like guess just takes place and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: not necessarily meant to be a Christmas movie. We know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: White Christmas obviously a Christmas movie. Sure Elf obviously, Yeah,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Christmas Vacation obviously a Christmas movie. But then you have
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: movies like this, and once upon a time, like I
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: was talking about how I would watch and Don't any longer,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: but like Harry Potter would be a part of that
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Christmas movie, even though it's not like there's only one
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: scene where it's Christmas. But yet for some reason, that
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: was enough for the whimsy of and I.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Right, And I can't remember whether it was just like
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: a like a like it felt warm and familial and
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that was the Christmas vibe or did they come out
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: around Christmas originally, and so it kind of got ingrained
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: into our brains that it was a Christmas thing, or.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I know, it was like doing the fall Christmas era, right,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: most of the times.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: That came out, the first ones came out November November,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: and then a lot of the other ones came out
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: middle of summer.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, okay, so maybe that's the beginning. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: never got into it till later, But all that to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: say is like it kind of brought that in, and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: then you have that climax of like, let's make these
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: movies on Christmas Day, but not necessarily about Christmas. There's
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a couple more that I can think of, but I
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: wonder like also movies like did y'all see Violent Night,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: which is supposed to be Santa against the terrorists essentially
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: puns all the puns, and it's kind of like, for
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: some reason the follow the two of them were similar
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: enough in my head that I was like, there's something
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: very familiar about this plane. Yeah.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I think a part of it too, is like we've
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: talked about this all the time on on the podcast,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: off the podcast, But like, when I think about why
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like horror movies, I think ultimately it's that I'm stressed.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And when I watch like a horror movie, I really
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like the building of tension and release in what I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: consider a safe environment. And I feel like something like Diehard,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you know, isn't a horror movie, so it can fit
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: into like, oh, I don't like horror, but I like action,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: but it's still kind of doing that thing where it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: building tension and really, yeah, and during the holidays, we're
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: all stressed and maybe you're tired of watching all these
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: things about how it's not stressful.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all gonna be great. Like like, no, there's
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: a pile of dead terrorists for things, all right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Still wipe that. And then also like I wonder if
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: this was also geared towards men, and then that most
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: of the Christmas movies, when you really think on it,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: outside of like Families, it's not necessarily geared towards men.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So if I wonder if like we're going to bring
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: in this action and make this Christmas so not only
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: will we have women with the Christmas part, maybe maybe
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the action part will bring in the masculine men who
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: wants to hear mother.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I had to believe that it is definitely a very
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: male gaze movie. There's a couple of instances where when
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: they're up near the roof in the area that's still
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: under construction, where the construction workers have left behind a
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: uh a titty calendar. I don't know if I can
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: say that on this show, but you'll bleed if I can't.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Great and so and so it's just like it's just
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: like a like like a naked like a top naked
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: model and and yeah, like by the second time he
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: passes by, he's like, oh hey, babe, like does it does?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Like but he just gives it like a little like
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: a little kiss, like a little like a little hand kiss,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: which is very sweet.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Like I thought, like I don't know, he's like he's like,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: babe in this together, like we got this.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I needn't miss that part my partner who is a man,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Like did you just see that? Like what are you
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: talking about? Uh?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: And then and then later when Alan Rickman would win,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: when Hans Gruber is like so overjoyed that they finally
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: have an ode to joy is the classical piece that's
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: playing the background the whole time, which is great, but
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: but yeah, when he's so overjoyed that they finally gotten
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: the vault open, there's there's some statuary in there in
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: addition to all of the bonds, and one of them
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: is a lady and he just kind of pings the boob.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: He just boops, boops the boob. I was like, well
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: you you and John McLean have something in common. Trying
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: to show similarities commonalities. There was also there were naked breasted. Yeah. Yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: there's like there's like a solid like at first you
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: think it's maybe only going to be like half like
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: half a boob, but that it's a solid two boobs.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: It is very briefly, the like incompetent dude who's trying
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: to have sex at this holiday party. Yeah, when the
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: terrorists uh bust up the NATO office sex.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I guess I really did bypass all that. Like
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I must have been looking down because I did not
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: see any of the movies.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Oh there were movies.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, no movies exist to me.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I've paid attention. I was like, what I forgot about
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this totally incidental boobs? Yeah, yeah, yeah I did. I Also,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it kind of cracks me up, the whole thing about
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the pregnant woman and the alcohol.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, that's another Oh this really is
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight thing, right right, because like because she's
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: like she's like, hey, like can I can I? Can
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I go to the party? Holly boss? Holly like like
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to drink. She's like eight and
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: a half months pregnant. Yeah, And Holly is like, the
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: baby's ready to tend bar, Like I don't worry about
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: drinking when you're pregnant, Like what.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Right comment? You think I should have a couple of drinks?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: And then she's like, girl, that that maybe's a much
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: of tending bar like the Tin Bar.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Okay, holiday parties are wild. I do still
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: want to talk with you later, Lauren about Texas Chainsaw
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: maask he too, because yes, I can't remember if it
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: takes place at the holidays, but there are a lot
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of Christmas lights in it. There certainly are there are.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Supposed to be spooky lights. Is that all you're talking
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: about in the shop? I can't remember the two okay
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and one. I feel like maybe there was a lighting
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: with like it was Christmas lights.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: No, there there are.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Actual like multi colored strand lights in the second one.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Because there are many bonkers choices that are made.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, in that movie is very I was like, okay,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: then we could talk about this on s Minty. Okay,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I love it. It's a beautiful film.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about having that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I know it's been in our drafts for a long time.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Any anytime, anytime, y'all, Yes, always 'tis always the seasons change.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: We always tell guests that because we're like, you don't
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: have to limit yourself. If you're really excited to talk
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: about something, we can talk about it whatever. Ye doesn't
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: have to be the holidays.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: You do does.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Especially like horror related stuff.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: We are always welcome here. It is.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is all right. Any closing thoughts.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, I hate that it's a meme now that that
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: a Christmas movie.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: It's not a Christmas let's argue about it on the internet.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Because it takes place at Christmas, it has Christmas music
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: in it. I have a family tradition of watching it
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: at Christmas. Get your meme out of my family tradition.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Get your meme out. I mean that's true. Honestly, it's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: like so many of the holiday things we do are
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: just nostalgic. Yeah, and so okay, Like I watched a
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of movies that I wouldn't call Christmas movies, but
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I watched them every Christmas. The Christmas movies to me.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And all the networks seem to agree with you as
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: they make sure that you have to pay for it
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: because they know it's gonna sale.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that's another thing. I always like joke with my
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: mom because she'll be like, why is this artist making
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: a Christmas album? Like because they know every year people
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: are gonna listen to it, and so it's like a guarantee, right,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: like revenue stream. I bet that's one of the choices
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: they made.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: When they're like, what whoa put it at Christmas? Yea, yeah,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: people look at Mariah Carey and they're like, holy yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: And every year it goes to number one every.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, so you know they knew what was going
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: on in multiple ways. I was saying multiple Yeah. So
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on, Lauren. This was
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the light.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me any again again,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: any any time, anytime.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely any time. Where can the good listeners find you?
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Oh heck uh, well, you can listen to a podcast
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that I don't know if you guys have heard of.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: It's called Savor.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: That Annie is the co host of I don't know
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: what that is food science and history and culture and
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: wacky stuff. And I'm also on a podcast called brain Stuff,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: which is a short form science and history kind of show.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: And I guess I'm on Instagram. I don't, I don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: know it's my My username is vogel Bomb, like v
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: O g E l B O m B.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: It's like a pun. Yeah, we love puns here.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: So's oh one more, there's there's a horror fiction podcast
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: called twelve Ghosts. Yes, twelve Ghosts. I'm saying it right
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: this time. Uh, yeah, that I got to do last year.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I got to voice do some voice work for It's
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: a good it's actually like a like a holiday spooky anthology.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Horse.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, someone else I know who has a story in theirs. Yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: several people's yes, yes, several humans.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: And Malcolm McDowell was our big star of that one.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: So and he is just a pleasure to listen to.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: He could be yeah, reading the script of Diehard and
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: it would be great.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Oh now that's an idea. That is an idea. Yes.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And also I don't think I mentioned it, but Lauren
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: is also in my D and D group. Oh so
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: every time we're talking about D and D, just.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: No, Lauren.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I had to deal with my terrible decision.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I was about to say that Annie is having to
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: deal with my terrible decisions.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Mutual dislike and love, Peter.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: It's just character a based after Samantha's dog. Yes, yep,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I think she's behind the whole thing. We'll set theory
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: of the D and D game speeches all all all along.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll find out. But in the meantime, yes, thank
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you so much. Lauren for being here and listeners. If
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you would like to contact us, you can our emails
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Stephanie a mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: mind us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or on
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok at stuff I Never Told You. We
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: have a t public store and a book you can
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: get it. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: or executiveroducer My and our contributor Joey. Thank you and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening. Stephan Never Told his deprection
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. For more podcast from my Heart Radio, you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: can find it on the iHeartRadio ap Apple podcast or
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: if you listen to your favorite shows