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  Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 6: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. It's Deuce, Evan, Paul, Me,
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  Speaker 6: Matt and Napooth. We're talking Patriots. We're getting closer to
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  Speaker 6: that big day against the Raiders a week from this
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  Speaker 6: coming Sunday.
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  Speaker 7: So Max Crossby, Yeah, it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Crossby, and thankfully not Trey Hendrickson as well. Here he's
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  Speaker 2: getting close. But anyway, I do digress. Today is the
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  Speaker 2: deadline for cut day, so that's at four o'clock. You
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of reports coming out around the league
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  Speaker 2: teams cutting players early. This team made an announcement was
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  Speaker 2: a Friday about a handful of players.
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  Speaker 4: Fourteen of them and who were they?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the big one for me, I get them for
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  Speaker 3: the whole place.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just read it.
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  Speaker 4: It's a long list.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The group on Friday was Jaheem Bell, Micah Bernard, Philip.
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  Speaker 7: Is It bleedy glitty blitty blitty.
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  Speaker 3: Isaiah Bolden, Zay Carle, Fotheringham, Phil Lutz, R. J. Moten,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Polk, Tyrese Robinson, city So, Shane Watts, Ben Wooldridge,
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  Speaker 3: and Kyle Pico and Monty Ricey. That was the group
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  Speaker 3: that was let go on Friday. Now there have been
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  Speaker 3: some reports of guys that have been let go today.
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  Speaker 3: They have been informed that they will be getting released,
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  Speaker 3: but we have no official word in any of those.
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  Speaker 2: We won't touch those yet. They'll be an official release
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  Speaker 2: coming out from the Patriots somewhere around for thereafter. I
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  Speaker 2: remember back in the day, and uh not the last regime,
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  Speaker 2: but the regime before that, four o'clock would roll around
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  Speaker 2: and it'd be nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Crickets probably be eleven mill of lights deep.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be lucky if by eight o'clock that night we'd
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  Speaker 2: have a release. Yeah. I'm guessing with this regime it'll
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  Speaker 2: be pretty prompted.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I hope.
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  Speaker 9: So, I mean, I don't think there's a ton of
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  Speaker 9: really hard decisions. I think, you know, some guys are
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  Speaker 9: on the bubble, but overall, I think we know who
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  Speaker 9: the team's going to be. Who are they going to
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  Speaker 9: be the guys that contribute. Heard from Mike Rabel yesterday
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  Speaker 9: saying guys are going to rotate, and I think that's
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  Speaker 9: the case with a lot of teams right now early
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  Speaker 9: on in the season that you're trying to look at
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  Speaker 9: the starters. And I do think along the offensive line
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  Speaker 9: you need to have starters, you need to have kind
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  Speaker 9: of your guys, But defensive front, those rotation guys, even
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  Speaker 9: probably some of the cornerback stuff. Is Christian Zalez ready
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  Speaker 9: to go wire to wire week one or is there
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  Speaker 9: a little bit of a rotation without Austin and you know,
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  Speaker 9: break up his snaps a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. I do want to talk about the last game
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  Speaker 2: against the Giants, not so much the game itself, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Paul shows are saying that what we
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  Speaker 2: learned from that game is that the Patriots have a
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  Speaker 2: big depth problem. And I get it. You know, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about depth on especially certain areas, and this team
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  Speaker 2: could be an issue going into this season. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: the alarm bells that went off because you know, the Giants'
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  Speaker 2: third stringers killed the Patriots third stringers. These are guys
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  Speaker 2: on both teams that aren't going to be playing. Most
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  Speaker 2: of them most of there are some, but most of
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  Speaker 2: you know, most of them are going to be playing.
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  Speaker 2: And when in the other games when the Patriots second
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  Speaker 2: stringers were out there, guys more likely to make the team,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't do so badly. You know, that's not to
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  Speaker 2: say that depth isn't an issue, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it warranted, you know, the the alarm bells that
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  Speaker 2: went off on.
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  Speaker 9: Some I think it's just a function of a new
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  Speaker 9: regime coming in and they certainly extended themselves to sign
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  Speaker 9: a number of high quality free agents that have come
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  Speaker 9: in here and are clearly taking over significant roles. Williams,
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  Speaker 9: Robert Splaine, just a couple off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 9: Stefan digs of course. But I think it's hard to
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  Speaker 9: replace your whole team and to really have quality depth
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  Speaker 9: in year one that you know fits what you're trying
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  Speaker 9: to do. So I'd much rather be looking at it
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  Speaker 9: this year this way than we did last year.
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  Speaker 7: When you know, I think Paul Rightley pointed.
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  Speaker 9: Out that they resigned a lot of their guys, But
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  Speaker 9: you know, Michael and when you Kyle Dugger, I mean,
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  Speaker 9: now we look.
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  Speaker 7: At those guys maybe through a slightly different light.
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  Speaker 9: But at the same time, I think those guys were
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  Speaker 9: more they didn't have the stars they signed Christian Barmore,
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  Speaker 9: so I'll give him credit for that one last year.
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  Speaker 7: He certainly seems like a star.
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  Speaker 9: But I look at this as you're going to return
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  Speaker 9: most of this roster, your contributors next year as well,
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  Speaker 9: So you're looking at a two year window with most
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  Speaker 9: of these guys definitely a needed edge.
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  Speaker 7: I would sell it which I might.
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  Speaker 2: Be starters this year, might be bumped down next year
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  Speaker 2: when you break.
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  Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, and then you look at some of the
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  Speaker 9: guys maybe that are that are holdovers a little bit
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  Speaker 9: from the previous regime. I mean, we've had a little
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  Speaker 9: bit of a shake up at safety and Craig Woodson
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  Speaker 9: is probably there to stay, but you know, what's that
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  Speaker 9: going to look like two three years down the road.
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  Speaker 7: So I would just watch next year for their ability.
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  Speaker 9: To you know, we don't have to totally chase everything,
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  Speaker 9: but we can be selective. We can find some spots
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  Speaker 9: to upgrade, and we can also draft and sign guys
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  Speaker 9: that are going to be our kinds of players that
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  Speaker 9: provide that quality depth. So when you get into the
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  Speaker 9: third preseason game and those guys play, maybe you see
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  Speaker 9: some more guys with a little more promise. Last example
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  Speaker 9: I just point out is Tommy DeVito and we said,
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  Speaker 9: we joked at the end of the pregame show, like
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  Speaker 9: or the postgame show. That's a cool four string quarterback
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  Speaker 9: who looks like he can play a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 9: Could that be something the Patriots look at quarterback position
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  Speaker 9: as bringing in a third guy now that I mean, that's.
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  Speaker 2: One area where I think I would like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised that Wooldridge was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because he's your third guy. It's just Dobbs right now
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  Speaker 2: is the other quarterback. So I think they could use
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  Speaker 2: an upgrade there, whether it's bringing in a third guy
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  Speaker 2: or even someone to replace Dobbs. This is the number
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  Speaker 2: two with who's available. Bailey Zappy reportedly is available. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think he'd be an upgrade over Dobbs. Honestly, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if anybody out there is really gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: What am I going to say?
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  Speaker 3: What can I What can I do? Some people you've
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  Speaker 3: exasperated young Evan.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what's the problem.
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  Speaker 4: No, there's no problem.
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  Speaker 1: This is a little bit of a problem.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, No, this is not one that I need
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  Speaker 4: to battle. I don't care that much about it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't care about yeah, and I get no. No,
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  Speaker 2: I just mean the Bailey's down right.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I do agree that your point.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I do agree that it's a it's in need.
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  Speaker 4: I do agree that there's depth issues at quarterback right now.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know if Bailey Zappi is the answer.
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  Speaker 4: That's all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Your point is to find the answer. But your point
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  Speaker 3: is a good one. I think that they could do
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  Speaker 3: better at backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: I I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for at least some competent it has just
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  Speaker 3: been really inconsistent throughout the sum I think he's inaccurate.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what I saw from just in that
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  Speaker 2: last game from de Veto, I saw decisive this inaccuracy.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a similar offense. So he's running with Brian Dables,
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  Speaker 4: so he's going to have some familiarity with what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: But I think Dousa hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 4: with the roster depth. I think all of us had
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  Speaker 4: concerns about roster depth even before this last preseason game.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've talked about it a lot on our shows,
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  Speaker 4: about the fact that, yeah, they turned over the top
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  Speaker 4: of the roster and they look better in terms of
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  Speaker 4: their frontline players than what they've had in recent years.
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  Speaker 4: But it's going to take more than one offseason to
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  Speaker 4: completely flip the fifty three. And guys like Kyle Duggar,
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Jennings, Jilani Tavai, they might not be in your
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  Speaker 4: long term plans, but it might be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: premature to move on from those players this season because
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  Speaker 4: they are NFL players. So if you start gutting the
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  Speaker 4: roster of guys that aren't scheme fits for what they're doing,
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  Speaker 4: especially on defense, and then you're really turning it over
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  Speaker 4: to depth players that frankly, I don't know our NFL players.
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  Speaker 4: At least I know that if they have a rash
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  Speaker 4: of injuries at safety, Kyle Dugger went right, is a
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  Speaker 4: starting caliber safety in the NFL. At least I know
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Jennings can play the role, can play the position
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  Speaker 4: if they need to have him in there. So I'd
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  Speaker 4: rather them hold their water a little bit on doing
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  Speaker 4: that versus let's flip the entire roster in one offseason
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  Speaker 4: and go into the year with a lot of unknown
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that. I mean, if now depth is
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings and to buy and dother I know they
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  Speaker 2: were a little bit overpriced to be but that's different.
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  Speaker 2: But that's pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Good I would. Yeah, but that's a different argument, and
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  Speaker 3: I get your point. I don't think that the game
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  Speaker 3: had anything to do with depth, like showing your lack
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  Speaker 3: of depth. I think that where I agree with I
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  Speaker 3: was gonna say where I agree with Fred one thousand
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  Speaker 3: percent is that's somehow now to me that it happened
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  Speaker 3: the week before it happened in the Minnesota game, when
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  Speaker 3: the starters didn't do all that well against Minnesota's backups.
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  Speaker 3: That's when this depth thing started to sort of you know,
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  Speaker 3: everybody somehow looked at the roster and said, huh, they're
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  Speaker 3: a little thin at that spot, which the three of
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  Speaker 3: us have been talking about all off season. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the one big concern we all had is, yeah, they've
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  Speaker 3: upgraded some spots, but it's really hard to do it
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  Speaker 3: all at once. They did a really nice job I
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  Speaker 3: think of increasing the overall talent level, but it's nowhere
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  Speaker 3: near where it needs to be. And certainly if they
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  Speaker 3: lose a gonzo, you see the impact that it has
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  Speaker 3: when you take him out for the whole summer. If
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  Speaker 3: you lose a guy here or there, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of depth. I didn't need the game against
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  Speaker 3: the Giants Scrubs to tell me that they don't have
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  Speaker 3: a ton of depth. But Fred's right, that sort of
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  Speaker 3: sounded some kind of an alarm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's because people were predicting them to
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  Speaker 4: win double digit.
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  Speaker 3: Games, right, It's like eleven wins or busts, and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: are you looking what they have? Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I just didn't see that kind of overall
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  Speaker 3: talent level. But the other part of this is what
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  Speaker 3: you guys are talking about with you know, Yeah, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be fine if you have all these guys, But I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure that like Dugger and Keyon White and like TVAI,
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  Speaker 3: Like is Christian Ellis better than Jelanie to Vais Craig
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  Speaker 3: Woodson better than Kyle Duger? Is Jalen Hawkins better than
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  Speaker 3: Jabrill Peppers?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: So you can say that now you have depth, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the guys that you're replacing those
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  Speaker 3: guys with are better than the guys they're replacing. But
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  Speaker 3: that's been my big mantra all off season is I'm
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  Speaker 3: really excited about bringing in Milton Williams of Robert splane A,
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  Speaker 3: Carlton Davis, because I think those guys are all better
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  Speaker 3: than the guys they replaced. If they're going to try
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  Speaker 3: to like do this all at once and move on
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  Speaker 3: from let's face it, a contract in Kyle Douglas's case
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  Speaker 3: that they probably don't love, I don't think that's better
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  Speaker 3: for you in the short term.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it might be.
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  Speaker 3: Better off in the long term, but right now, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think the guys that are playing safety is as
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  Speaker 3: Peppers and Dugger.
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  Speaker 4: This happens all the time, though, when there's a coaching
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  Speaker 4: staff and a regime change and now they were running
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  Speaker 4: a different defense and Kyle Dugger doesn't fit this defense,
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  Speaker 4: but he fit the last defense, and he signed an
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  Speaker 4: extension with the last regime. And this is Tailor's old
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  Speaker 4: as time in the NFL. But I still I think
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  Speaker 4: we're on the same page that if they had to
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  Speaker 4: play Kyle Dugger, I still feel better about that being
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  Speaker 4: the case and having to play you know, some of
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  Speaker 4: the other guys that they've had in here at that position.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe you feel.
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  Speaker 3: It was good about having to play Jalen Hawkins and
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  Speaker 3: Craig Woodson.
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  Speaker 4: Well, but I hear you, but they're also asking them
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  Speaker 4: to do different things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I Douger's contract wasn't what it was. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think this would be such a huge problem scheme schematically,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's I just think they're looking to get out
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  Speaker 3: of that contract, which is fine. I think that's like,
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  Speaker 3: like Evan just said, it's a taiale as old as time.
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  Speaker 3: Guys want their own their own guys. He signed that
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  Speaker 3: contract under the previous regime. Sure, I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel is wrong if he if he thinks like
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  Speaker 3: that again, I'll go back to my shows. I won't
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  Speaker 3: beat them up for something that hasn't happened yet. But
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  Speaker 3: if they're thinking like that, I totally understand that that's
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  Speaker 3: a very normal reaction. It's what I wished happened last year, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, figure out the guys that you like and
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  Speaker 3: want to move on with and then let the other
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  Speaker 3: guys go. Instead, they just re upped everybody, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that's part of the reason why you're in this situation.
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  Speaker 3: And the other reason that you're in this situation is
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  Speaker 3: the obvious one that Mike always hammers home. When you're
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  Speaker 3: draft like you've drafted, there's your depth. You don't have
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  Speaker 3: any depth. You don't have frontline players, so you had
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  Speaker 3: to bring in free agents to replace guys that weren't
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  Speaker 3: good enough, and you have no depth behind them because
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  Speaker 3: your draft picks. We'll see about this draft class. We
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  Speaker 3: said everything about this draft class. Right now, everything looks great.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Will Campbell's going to start at left tackle
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  Speaker 3: and Jared Wilson has a very good chance to start
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  Speaker 3: at left guard. If they're not any good, then it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be like it was last year when everybody said,
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  Speaker 3: well Jaalen Polk start in day one. But then at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year you looked at that draft
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  Speaker 3: class a lot differently than you did at the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of the year.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I just where the injury is going
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  Speaker 9: to happen this year. That's the that's the big unknown,
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  Speaker 9: because in a couple of select spots.
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  Speaker 7: You're you're you're in trouble pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: I just go way back.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've been saying that for the last five years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's the Patriots have injuries, and.
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  Speaker 7: It's probably true.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I just think I'm definitely true.
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  Speaker 9: Reaching for a random example, but going back to two
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  Speaker 9: thousand and four, where you know, thy Log goes down,
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  Speaker 9: but you have at a Sante Samuel kind of waiting
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  Speaker 9: in the wings, and there aren't a lot of positions
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  Speaker 9: on the roster right now, where do you say, like,
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  Speaker 9: maybe I could make an argument of saying, hey, if
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  Speaker 9: one of the defensive linemen goes down, maybe you know,
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  Speaker 9: maybe a rookie like a farmer, like Farmer gets a chance.
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  Speaker 9: Like that's one spot, but there aren't a lot of
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  Speaker 9: other ones, especially like the.
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  Speaker 3: Tackling spot, those interior defensive linemen. Like I guess I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking we were going to see a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more and I haven't seen.
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  Speaker 7: I haven't seen much out of Farmer or farms.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, right now, but you have Williams far more
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  Speaker 4: top and Tongo I think has had a nice summer
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: and looks a little bit surprising. And then you know
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: you see Keon White's kind of like the hybrid guy
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: that can move around and do different things. So I
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: still feel like they're okay on the defensive front, especially
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: with Chase on playing as well as he has all summer.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: But I just they're asking these safeties to do a
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: lot of different things than what they were before.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Or well.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the old defense, they were too gapping up front,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: so guys were just kind of holding the wall and
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: you know, eating blocks and things like that. So the
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: second level of the defense where the playmakers, the linebackers
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: in the safeties, the hybrid safeties are the guys that
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: were supposed to come up and make plays, Whereas now
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: the defensive line is teeing off and they're getting up
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: the field, so they're not necessarily asking the second and
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: third level of the defense to make as many tackles
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: or many splash plays as they were before. So now
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: it's more about covering space. It's about being in space,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: cover more ground sideline to sideline, but also covering in
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: the back end in terms of past game stuff, So
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the safeties are gonna be more in like deep zones
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: and like ranging over the top and like doing that
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: sort of thing, versus like Kyle Duggar coming up and
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: trying to fill the B gap, you know, like he
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: would in the old defense. So there's just a lot
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: of different moving parts in terms of how they what
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: they're asking. So even though I agree with Paul just
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: in a game of Madden, like Kyle Duggar probably has
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: a higher rating than Craig Woodson or Jalen Hawkins, but
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: in this scheme, their skill set might be better than
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Kyle Duggar's for the type of defense that they want
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: to run. If they're gonna play, oh those guys deep,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be different.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: It makes sense like if you were going back in
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the draft and drafting, you wouldn't draft Doug or for
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: this system, right, you know, but for the old system
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: where you want someone to get down close to the line,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: And he made sense, I that could be possible.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, see how it comes together?
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: I mean, I still think these things are very fluid,
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: and as we get really going into the nitty gritty
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: of the season, you'll see what they have planned for
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: specific roles, and you know, how does it all come
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: together on a week to week basis. Certainly things have
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: been interesting to watch, especially the last couple of days
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: of practice that were not allowed to report on. But
• 17:16
  Speaker 9: they're shifting into that regular season mode and you're you're
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: getting a little bit more clarity of how they're going
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: to see things. But I would expect a lot of
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: rotation across both sides of the ball.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Well Rabel said that the other day, especially on defense
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: up front. He said, you know, there's gonna be a
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: lot of guys getting reps and probably evenly distributed, and.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: They want to play fast like they want to play.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: If you want to be aggressive, that's it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: That's why Milton Williams didn't have a lot of reps
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: as much as we think you might get here. Yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: all right, so we've got that on the table. Later
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: in the show. Gary Myers just came out with this book,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: it's The Brady Belichick Debate, and we're going to be
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: talking to him in the one o'clock hour. He's going
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to call in, so we'll talk about the book. I've
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: read it, Paul has read it. I've learned a couple
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of things that I don't think I knew. Album. We'll
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: talk about that when he's on the show. Okay, yeah, good,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So look forward to that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Get to the bottom of it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, finally, what else do we got kind of settled?
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: Like I was going to say practice the last couple
• 18:24
  Speaker 9: of days, I just thought, was, you know, interesting, And
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: to Paul's.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed a change in practice since you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: training camp and the public portion of training camp has ended.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: A little bit A little bit, I mean, it's a
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: little more fun that they're actually doing drills on the
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: field right in front of us now, whereas during training
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: camp they're always like it feels like as far away
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: as possible. But you know, it's just funny because we're
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: watching practice, and I think you did it on our
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: first run of the show. We talked about we don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: really know like where we're at right now between the
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: last preseason game and there's just this void in between
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: now in the first.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Regular season game.
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: It's long, but all of a sudden, in the middle
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: of practice, like you see very able go over and
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: like this isn't it. We're not reporting any of this stuff, guys,
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: So so not like game plan all right, they're running
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: the Raiders defense right now, but they're definitely still getting
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: work in and as they've made cuts, you've seen the
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: team start to come together and get whittled down a
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: little bit. So definitely some interesting things. I mean, I
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: would without saying anything. I just think Drake's Drakes looked
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: pretty good the last couple of days. And you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: that's you know, what everybody wants to know, and that's
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: the big topic because you're going into the season. But
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: I thought he's had, you know, solid, a couple of
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: days of practice and we'll see if the mount of
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: activity got this summer was enough for him to start
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: fast and I mean come out of the gates.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So obvious that I think, at least on this show,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've talked about it as much as
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: other shows, But it really does come down to Drake May,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't it, And it's all about his development.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you want to do one of those
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: sort of worse to first meteoric rise, you can't do
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that unless the quarterback play is at a much much
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: higher level. And that's how And I know it's it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: always case by case, but just look at all the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: teams that you can think of that did that, and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: it almost always involves a guy either coming into the
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: program and playing at a higher level or just making
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: a huge leap from one year to the next, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: like Stroud and Daniels. There's a million, million examples, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: those are the two most recent that come to mind.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, so all eyes are going to be on
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: him every game.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Every press comes with the position. I mean, he spoke
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: yesterday and I think he's saying all the right things.
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: I think he gets it, and it's I just everybody
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: needs to realize this is gonna be a process, you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: like it's not gonna like we're not coming out of
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: the gate week one.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: It'll give him a little bit of leeway.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And I know how this show is predicting thirteen wins
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: even eleven. You know, like my I've been steadfast and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I'm staying I'm staying with it. Flora is six, Ceiling
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: is ten. That's that's what I've been saying, and I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: haven't seen anything yet to make me change that. Now
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty wide gap, and I think they're probably
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: going to end up somewhere in the middle, somewhere around eight.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But if they do that, I'll be happy. Something had
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to have gone right compared to last year for them
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to get to AID and I'll be okay with that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: If it's more than that, great, But again, we're not
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just one year. We're two years in a row. For
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: win team. You know, it's gonna take some time, folks,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it really is.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I just wonder if they can win enough games and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: show enough promise to make themselves more desirable for some
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: of the build up programs.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: I feel like there's a program if Drake makes.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Playing well, okay, you're going to see the future.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Because it is it has been frustrated in the last
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: couple of years, and it does seem like they do
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: want to pay a wide receiver to come here to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: play with Drake May, but it doesn't feel like any
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: of the wide receivers want to take their money. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: can you change that narrative? Can you change that perception
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: of the team so that next offseason, if they offer
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Chris Godwin type player thirty thirty five million dollars, he
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: actually takes it of going back to Tampa Bay, or
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Brandon Ayuk says don't trade for me, or Calvin Ridley
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: goes to Tennessee instead of coming here, like, it would
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: be nice to at least be able to change that
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: perception a little bit.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, And that's why you just sort of
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: have to see it. But I would agree with Fred
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: on the surface, you know, if they were to win
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: eight games, it would be hard to believe for me
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that that wasn't progress, that wasn't a sign of progress.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Now you're right, Like, you might look at it and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: maybe they win a couple of ugly games against teams
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: that are not very good and Drake may doesn't look
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: great in winning them, and then you're like, they won,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: but you might change your mind, you know, like the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: twenty one, you know, ten and seven season, and you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: they went to the playoffs and it was hard not
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: to be excited with a rookie quarterback. But somehow Cranky
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Paul wasn't overly excited at the time because of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: way they won some of those games, you know, taking
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: advantage of massive injuries to a couple of teams and
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: winning a three to nothing game in ridiculous conditions, Like
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it just didn't really seem like it was something that
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: was sustainable to me, and it wasn't. Yeah, so you
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: might see that and you might look at it, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: and say, well, I don't feel as good about the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: eight wins as I thought I would feel, but I would.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Twenty two season like they were eight and nine and
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. And if you if you finished this
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: year eight and nine, you'd feel good. But that season
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: was the offense was already kind of falling apart at
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: that point, and it did not look like it was
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: headed in a good direction. So you can go eight
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: and nine in this league and still not feel great
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: about your team.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if Rable all of a sudden decides
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to make a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and all that stuff,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: like there were conditions there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Two games worse than you were the previous year, so
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you won.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Some some bad football games that year in twenty twenty two,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: like just rock fights.
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: I think though, with the inevitable injuries that happened, it
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: would really reflect well on this team if let's just
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: say no random example, like the right tackle goes down
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: and you need to have one of these youngsters get
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: in and play and look confident, or if you need
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: to turn to maybe a player like I mean we
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: keep saying Toby but Jennings, like you have to turn
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: to somebody who maybe you don't think ever quite got it,
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: but now he looks like he's playing well in this
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: system or playing well for these coaches.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: You know, those little things.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: I think what might be the details you have to
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: look for to get the full picture of the season,
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: where you know, yeah, they had some injuries, but man
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: Vederian Lowe had to fill in for Will Campbell for
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: two days and it wasn't a disaster like it was
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: last year.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: And like those things, I.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: Think little signs that they're building a program here. I
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: think that's to me what Evan's kind of getting at,
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: that there's a program here, there's a sense of who
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: this team's identity is and do you want to come
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: be a part of it. I felt that way about
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: Mike Frabele and Tennessee. He kind of had an identity there.
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: You knew what you were going to have to deal with.
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: Part of it was Derreck Henry, of course, but you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: at the same time, those players emerge when you have
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: a good situation, and those become your stars.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: That we I mean, there's one thing that we've learned,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and I say learn, but one thing that's been cemented
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in the last few weeks is that they've just failed
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in the drafting the last few years. And one of
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the reasons we're in the situation we're in now is
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: because of that. And when you think about it, Drake
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: May being you know, the sole survivor of last last
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: year's draft, you know, possible.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a couple other guys still around, right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: But Marcello style might have been in the main. I mean,
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: then they're not the star players that they needed. And
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: I mean every one of these draft misses from going
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: back to whatever you want to do eighteen, I mean,
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: every time you have one of these drafts where you
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: don't pull anything, it's another year you're going to pay
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: for it down the road.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to have stars from every draft,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: but you need contributors two, you know, three, maybe four
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: at the high end, contributors from every draft, and that
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: builds your foundation. Those are your guys that you're you're
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: building around, and then you're adding pieces through free agency
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and subsequent drafts. You have to do that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: But I feel like what Deuce was saying about the program,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: like it's only half the battle to identify the talent
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: in the draft. The other half of the battles developing
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: the talent and then being scheme fits and like all
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: that good stuff. So like you can go out there
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and you can think that Jalen Polk is a really
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: good college player and he's a You scout him and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you think he's gonna be a good NFL pro, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: then he gets to the pros and he's in an
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: offense that doesn't really suit him, or he's in an
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: offense that doesn't have great coaching or great foundation to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: it or anything, and that can derail a young player's career,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: as it has in a lot of ways for Polk.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that Polk would have been a
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: star if he was in a better situation, But it's
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: kind of hard to say, like was it the chicken
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: or was it the egg with the twenty twenty four draft,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: because everything was in such a state of flux with
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the entire program that I just don't know if any
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: of those guys really stood a chance. And I think
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Drake May is so talented that he's kind of full
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: proof of this, Like he kind of just overcame it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But you're not gonna if you're like a third or
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: fourth round pick, you're not going to overcome this kind
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of coaching turnover and all this different stuff. So hopefully
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: like they get back to a place with Vrabel and
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: this staff where they can develop talent again.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. You can't undervalue coaching in
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the NFL like other sports. It's not half as important
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: as football. That's my opinion.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: There's just so many examples of guys that we all
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: thought were going to be good coming out of college
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. And a
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: lot of the times it's talent, but a lot of
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the times it's also situation and the coaching that he
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: had and the scheme he was in and it just
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: doesn't click for him at this level. So you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: look at Chaison, like if Chaison has a good year
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: with the Patriots, Like that's a former first round pick
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: that's kind of had some bad luck along the way
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: here with coaching changes and things like that. So maybe
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: it's just as simple for him as he's in the
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: right place at the right time now and he realizes that.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: I found myself thinking a lot about last year's class
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: and just a lot of the same scouts and regime
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: that pick those players are still here. And I'm not
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: trying to get into like blame and all that, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: I just I wonder about the whole relationship of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: coaching staff saying these are the kind of players we
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: want or you know, does the scouting staff bring them
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: the players.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Say these are the guys who I think we'll just
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: touched on it. I can't I can't see it working
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the other way. I think it has to start from
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the head coach down where he sets the philosophy. He decides,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: this is the type of football we want to play,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: These are the type of players we need for each position,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and then he gives that menu to his scouting staff
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and go find these players. I can't think. I can't
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: imagine it working the other way, where they're telling the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: coach how to play. The coach has to tell them
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: how they want to play. And that was the beauty
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of having Bill for all these years is like you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: can argue about like he wasn't the greatest drafter throughout,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: but like there was always that foundation, like the scoutings
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: knew how Bill wants. You know, this is a type
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of safety he's looking right, this is the type of
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: linebacker he's looking for. And having that consistency helps, you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that's we need to get back to that. Well.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I think Rabel's that guy. Like Rabel, that's Elliot Wolf
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: has said that they were more organized this year in
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: the draft and a big reason why is that Rabel
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: has a vision of the type of players that he
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: wants them to draft. And I think, you know, a
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: big part of it is also Ryan Cowden and Stretch
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: being involved. But it just seems like they have types
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: now again. They have you know, scheme fits and guys
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like this is our safety type, this is you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: the body type a lot, and this is the skill
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: set that we want. And that's like last year's draft,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I just think even at the time in real time,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: you were just kind of wondering, like, who does this
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: player fit? Like they were drafting you know, big power
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: guards to play in an outside zone scheme and it's like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: so were you drafting based off of what they were
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: doing in the past and you just didn't have the time.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: He didn't feel like to kind of uproot the system
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and change it on the fly. So like Leyden Robinson,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: you know, isn't going to be on this team anymore,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: you know, as a draft pick from last year, I
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: never really understood the scheme with Leyden Robinson, like they
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: were going to run a West Coast offense, They're gonna
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: be outside zone, and then they've drafted a power guard
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: to play in that offense, and it just didn't really
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: fit to begin with. And when you're drafting at that
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: area of the draft, third, fourth, fifth round, you're not
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: getting start Like, that's not where you're expecting to get
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: stars that are scheme proof. That's where you're expecting to
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: get depth and guys that fit what you're trying to do, right,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: So I just I think it's a big difference when
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you have a guy like Rabel that's saying, this is
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: what we're gonna do, you know, in all all walks
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: of it, in all position groups.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: That's I was just gonna say, sorry for that's what
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: a DNA might say.
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: And you, I think you're right, like you need to
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: hit on those draft picks at least to have that base.
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: But I would say every two years you need to
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: find a star player. But every two years there needs
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: to be someone somewhere that come and can play above expectations.
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: And if you don't do that, you don't start to
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: those of the guys you have to hit in the.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: First Oddly they have hit in the first round, like
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez was a hit. I think Drake May we
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: we think is going to be a hit. So in
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: a way that they have hit in the first round
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: in the last couple of years. I mean, Gonzales, All
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Pro player like that, that was one of Bill's best
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: draft picks at the end. So it's weird. It's like
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: they actually have hit in the first round the last
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: couple of years. It's been the rest of the drafts
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: that have looked like disasters.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Paul looks like he's holding something in no, no, okay, And.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You guys are all right, yeah, I mean you guys
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: yelling me when I dominate the comtry, I hear a
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: lot of I.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Hear a lot of people, you know, criticizing Elliott Wolf. Well,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the common factor in all these drafts is
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf. But I firmly believe that he's following orders
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: from above and.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And that might be one little thing that I was holding. Okay,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: might might you might have uncovered.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, we'll see, we'll see what
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: happens with that situation. But like if if you don't
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: have that, you know, I don't know, buttoned up you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: philosophy of here's the type of team, here's the type
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of football we want to play. It makes it tough
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: on your talent evaluators. What am I evaluating for?
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: Right, you know?
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: And that's why I need to end this year feeling
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: positive about the draft picks. I mean, I think to
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Paul's point, last year, you ended last year you didn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: feel great about them. I mean, maybe we felt had
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: some positivity going into the season, and maybe came the season.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: People were over the top. It was a bang of
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: a draft class. I'm already seeing now people are tweeting
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: that it looks like all the draft picks are going
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: to make it. I don't think that that will be
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: the case because I think we haven't found out. I
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: think there's still like another half dozen or so guys
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: to get cut. But that to me, doesn't make it
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: a good draft class. No, if all your rookies make it,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: that's to me. That's especially when you have no baseline,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Also could be an indication of where the status of
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: your team now if everybody's making it, Like.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: If you have four guys that start or that play
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: key roles and they play well, then that's a good
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: draft class. Right Like, I don't care if you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: all these guys end up making it. Initially, first of all,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: it's a little deceiving too. You have a kicker and
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: a long snapper. I mean, they gotta make it. Those
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: guys are gonna make it. But you know what, what
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: is I go back to, like right at the top,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: if Will Campbell is just a tackle, is that a
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: great draft class? Or if he's like a pro Bowl player? Okay,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: now you know you get him and you get Henderson's
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it looks like a playmaker. Kyle Williams. We really don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: know yet about Kyle Williams. We haven't really seen a
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: ton from him. But if he's contributing in like you
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: remember Malcolm Mitchell as a as a rookie, you know, like, Okay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: there's one, two, three, first three rounds, right, you got
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: contributing players that are playing at a pretty good level.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: That's a good draft class.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: And it looks like Woodson is going to be a
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: contributor to Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I think he's playing. I put him in the second category,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: like I expect him to be playing. I don't know
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: how well we'll play. I haven't seen anything from him
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a summer.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: He does a lot of things on the back end.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: You know, things that I don't see.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But you're not a ballmer, Paul.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: But that wasn't That wasn't for him. That was just
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: in general. It's like that's what they're selling, So I'm
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: not buying everything that they're selling. Let's put it that way.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: A little cya going on with Elliott Wolfe.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think that, I hear you, like, I don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: think Craig Woodson's going to be an impact player on
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: the ball, right, But I think he's going to be.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: He's going to be in the ripe spots and he's
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: going to be positionally sound. He's going to cover ground
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: back there, and he's going to do the things that
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: they ask him to do. I just like Harmon, Sure,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: like Deron Harmon, Like I is he going to be
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Earl Thomas and have a bunch of interceptions and plays
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: on the football. Probably not. But do you need those
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: types of guys?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Not everyone can be.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I don't need Devin McCarty types. If you're going to
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: be that guy, you're not going to be. But if
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you're not going to necessarily be that. But he wasn't
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: really a Pro Bowl safety. He was more of a
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Pro Bowl early in his career. If if you're going
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: to be like a non playmaker back there you're just
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: going to always be in the right spot. Yeah, I
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: want I want Devin mccordy.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we all did we all do?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I want you to be like that. Like
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: to Evans's point, like there's things that Devin mccordy did
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that you didn't always notice, but he was always.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You noticed it when he wasn't on the field right.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And I noticed that they almost never gave up those
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: over the top kind of place. Yeah, if that's what's
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: happening with Craig Woodson, then I'll gladly sit here and say,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: well he's that kind of a player.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, eight five five Pats five hundred is the hot line.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen that in the preseason game or in
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: the practice.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It's hard to see anything in the preseason.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I watched practice, though I can see a lot.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address. Let's
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: get to the phones. Remember we're going to be talking
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to Gary Myers in the second half of the show.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: What's that I'm just talking to having over here? We're
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: having about you pointed at me, So remind me of
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: that line, what line about? Yeah, it's hard to see
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: anything in the press, it is it is. I don't
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: know what she's something.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: You know, during the Brady years receiver rarely did they
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: have a winning preseason, even when they were at four games.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: We're not talking about wins and losses. We're talking about
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the personal.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about like, how many times during the Brady
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: years we'd watch a preseason game. Boy, are twos and
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: threes aren't as good as their twos and threes? Right?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: We said that a lot.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I did. I don't know we did. I
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: don't really. I haven't really cared about the preseason in
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: all long.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's my point.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Twenty five years, that's my point.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe they've cared about it a little longer.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Billy's if you talk about joint practices, I think that's
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: more valid. Uh, Billy's in Rentham. What's up, Billy Hey,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Billy Hey?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, turn it up.
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: Matt he is? Is he an IR guy? Or he
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: fifty three main guy? A practice quad or.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Carel Jennings?
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: No? No, yeah, he got he got hurt, and we
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: haven't really seen much of him, so I'm not sure
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: where that puts him right now. But I liked him
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: last summer. I saw more of them last summer. He
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: never really jumped out to me this year like he
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: did last year. He kind of ran hard last year.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: But yeah, he's a big question mark for me. I
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: wouldn't be surprised to see him sick on the practice squad,
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: but I don't.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: Anything to think that he's going to push for fifty
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: three spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys probably practice squads though,
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: I think.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah I did. Did they keep four running backs? I
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: think is one thing that was sort of circled on
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: my because I think Gleann Larrison was going to make
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: the team field stayed healthy, My guy, yeah, got hurt.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I think he was going to make the team. So
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: do they have to do they pivot to a different
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: running back? I think there's reports out there that it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: not going to be hasty that Tasty was was released.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: So and certainly to Billy's point, if Terrell Jennings is
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: on the fifty three man roster, I think Evan's right,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that was a sign that land Larrison probably would have
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: made the team. Now if they stick with three, then
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Christian. He's going to behave today. Christian
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in La, what's up? Oh, what's going on over there?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? I can't hear you. It's hard.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Are you better?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: You better? Now?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: We keep talking, keep talking of all.
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: Bradberry thing, but wait instead of sitting in reserve.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It's hard to hear you. Sorry, Christian, You've got a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: bad connection.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: It's calling from an uber that car from underwater.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Something about Bradberry. I heard that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Bradberry's on the team and he's gonna be the starting
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: center and we're gonna.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: See how it goes and you will like it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: That's the Bradbury analysis. Like he's gonna play, he's gonna start.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: If it goes poorly, I think it could get interesting.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Maybe Ben Brown goes into the starting lineup, maybe Jared
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Wilson bumps over the center and something like that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna roll with Bradbury for now, all right,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Brentson Reno, Hey, Brent.
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, you're talking about draft classes.
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: I'm want to shout out to the boss man Frey
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: Kurs for Ironhawks Audio getting shop.
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: Well, love it great, pick. I would like to you
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: and I'll take this off the air. Can you guys
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: throw down? On Madden rating for what you like, see
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: this team as right.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Now, throw out a Madden rating for every team? Is
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: that what you said?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Just a Patriots like the overall team Madden rating or
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: like player Madden rating?
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Like, I mean, do you think that we're like
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: sitting in the seventies.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even know what that means.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I like, so I don't know each team, all thirty
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: two teams gets an overall grade.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: From matter what's high? Who's high?
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Like ninety nine is the high?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Ninety nine is high? Does anyone happen ninety nine?
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: No?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, now what's the highest team?
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Probably in the high nineties. But ninety nine to ninety
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: nine club is like a player thing. But that's like
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the four or five best players in the NFL get
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: rated ninety nine. I think this year it's Lamar, Josh, Allen, Miles, Garrett. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: so what if you're an win team, usually probably like
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: seventy eight.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what it is.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: You're going to put an exact number for you? Yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: usually I will, like for what it's worth, like Madden.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Typically they don't. They're kind of polite about it, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: their scale is not like it's not like, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: the team they think is going to pick number one
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: overall is like a forty, and then like the team
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: they think that's gonna win the Super Bowl is like
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: a ninety eight. Right, It's usually like the team that
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: they think are the worst in the league, girl, like
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: a seventy. You know, they're kind of nice about it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: So that's Madden. There's your Maden minute.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: My son kills me in mad and it's so frustrated.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: That's embarrassing.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: Kills me.
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: And I'm like trying to run like plays and stuff,
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: and he just knows how to work the controller and
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: get go to the guy that he needs to get
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: and like picks off every pass.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Half the battle is learning the Controller's like learning to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: do without looking at it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: You know, I'm getting all cocky. I'm like, oh, I'm
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: gonna hit you with the blitz right here, and he's
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: just like touchdown.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah No, that's like second not being having to look
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: at the controllers like second nature for us.
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: Like that's like, no, whenever I throw a pass, he
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: switches to the cornerback and he breaks on it and
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: like picks it off every single time.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Like I can't.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Guys can't get open.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Control, because if you could, if you could operate a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: controller like you do a remote, unbeatable.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I was not very good at Madden. My kids showed
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: me how to play like enough to get a playoff,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and then they just like destroyed it. I would They're
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: just going to keep fifteen years ago, like I.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Remember the Titans.
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: He says that we run the same three plays. It's like, no, okay,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: we just keep running them. That's Madden. Like you can't
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: if you're going in there and you're trying to like
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: scroll through the pages and all these playbooks like all
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: this stuff. No, what you gotta do is you got
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: to find like the one team that you really like
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: playing with, and then find like two or three plays
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: that really work with that offense. Like for me, it was,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Gronk on the corner route and you have
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: like Veren or White releasing into the flat and you'd
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: high low the defender out there, and you just like
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: it would just grind, it would just kill. And like
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I could run that play one hundred times in a
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: row and nobody could stop it because the.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Computer got the defense spinning and never and if you
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: run the.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Ball and Madden are you punt and Madden yourf Don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: do that? Yeah, don't do that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's that's that's a little bit more than
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a Madden minute right there.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: You Mike would give up the all in three downs
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: just so we could go back to play.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: I love I love you know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: It's just like people that you played in that it's
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: like fourth down and they're like, we're gonna play field
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: position here. It's like, what are you doing? It's a
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: video game.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: David Bethlehem would like an autopsy of the twenty twenty
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: drafts where the traite priority pour? Did scouts mess up?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Did Belichick ignore input?
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: Why?
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty?
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: The twenty twenties, Oh yeah, twenty twenty, So.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Why were they so bad?
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpacked.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the autopsy?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably no simple answer. But I do
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: feel Bill like the whole notion of identifying the players
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: you want and that that fit you. I think part
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: of the problem was that those guys were no longer
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: as effective in the in the current game. He's looking for,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: you know, bigger guys to be stout in two gap
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: and a lot of other team teams are sort of
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: transitioning to smaller, quicker, you know, more athletic deep defenders,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and at the same time you're looking to exploit those
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: guys a little bit on offense.
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: The playmaker thing. I mean, it speaks for itself with
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Belichick's drafts, like when was the last like real playmaker
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: he was able to acquire?
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: Fred Gary is ready to go.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well listen, we won't make them hold on. Gary.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Myers is on the line, and Gary is coming out
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: on September sixteenth with Brady versus Belichick. I've got that
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: right here. I've read it, Paul has read it. Gary.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: How you doing, guys, Thanks for having me on.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It's Paul Pirello, Evan Lazarre, Mike Dusseau, myself, Fred Kirsch.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations on the book.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: Thanks a lot. It was It was really a lot
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: of fun to research and write it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: And you know, I've told people that, you know, although
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: I was working in New York all those years, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: cover an awful lot of Patriots games, so I felt
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: like I'd lived through the whole twenty years like people
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: in New England did, and met a lot of people
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: made a lot of contexts and you know, hopefully put
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: together a book that people will enjoy reading.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So a lot of these books, these retrospective books, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: we go in hoping to learn new things, which even
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I've been with the team for over thirty years, I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: think I learned some new things. And we can get
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: into that in a little bit. But what did you
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: learn in the process of writing this book.
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: That's a good question. Let me think about that one
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: for one second. I think the thing that really stood
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: out to me was that people have tended to forget
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: with Belichick's influence was on Brady early in his career,
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: because it surely seemed over the last ten years of
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: the dynasty, and I think it's you know, two distinct
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: ten year dynasties in which they won three Super Bowls
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: in each of the ten years. But I think in
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: the last ten years it was clearly Brady's team, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: he was a dominant contributor and personality of the team.
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: But you know, early on, like I said, I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: when people are starting to evaluate the twenty years together,
• 46:24
  Speaker 13: they're forgetting that Tom was a six round pick and
• 46:27
  Speaker 13: he hadn't gotten drafted by Belichick. Hem and not have
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: been drafted, and Bill kept him as a fourth string quarterback.
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: And then the following year.
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: Everybody knows that Bledsoe got hurt and he was ready
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: to come back two months later, and Bill kept and
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: stuck with Tom. And I think Belichick deserves a lot
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: of credit for all those things I just mentioned, but
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: I think it kind of gets lost.
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: In the overall evaluation of the Patriots accomplishments.
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: And I think that's that's what I really took out
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: of this, is that with all people I spoke with,
• 47:02
  Speaker 13: it's oh, you know, the ones who said it was
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: clearly Tom and I used to play devil's advocate for
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: a little bit, you know, I was saying, well, what
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: about this and what about that? And how it all
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: got started? And you know, doesn't Belichick deserve credit for that?
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: And you, oh, yeah, you know, we've kind of forgot
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: about that stuff. So I think, again, the overall big
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: picture tends to overshadow the early years of the Brady
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: Belichick relationship.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned you talked to you know, you had
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of interviews in this book, and you talk
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: to a lot of different people. Did anybody I assume
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that some of these people you didn't really have much
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: of a relationship beforehand. Did anybody really stick out to
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: you as being really insightful in terms of their analysis?
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: And I'm going to give you a name, and you're
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: going to say, how did you not know that? But
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: I didn't really know Devin mccordy before I sat down
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: with him. I had breakfast with him one morning in
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: New Jersey, uh, you know, a year and a half
• 48:03
  Speaker 13: ago whatever, And I had heard from uh, you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: Aaron Salkin and the Patriots PR Department. When I was
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: asking him for his recommendations on some guys that I
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: didn't know, you know, who would be good for me
• 48:17
  Speaker 13: to get to get together with.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: He said that Devon was at the top of his list.
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: And I'd come away blown away by what a great
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: guy he was and how smart he was and insightful.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: And I think Aaron even underestimated Devin.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: He's one of the I've gotten to know him really
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: well in the time since I interviewed him, and we've
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: gotten together a few times, you know, all in the
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: forty years I've covered the league.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, I put him in my top.
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: Five of guys that I really really like a lot,
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: and he's just a great guy and he's really smart,
• 48:49
  Speaker 13: and I'm not surprised he's doing so well on television
• 48:53
  Speaker 13: and you know, on top of a lot, obviously he
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: was a great player.
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: Voted a captain in only his second year is pretty
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: unusual for a team that was, you know, filled with veterans.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm sure you know that he and I are
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: colleagues on the paper the Patriots preseason games. So yeah,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Devn and I are pretty tight. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: I mean you're lucky because I really enjoy him a lot.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: He's great.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: One of the things I learned Gary, and you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give away your conclusion. Let people
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: read it and read that for themselves. But one of
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the things I learned, I don't I didn't know that
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: when Parcels, when Kraft bought the team, that Parcels had
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: asked if maybe Tim Mahra could be hired as sort
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: of a go between what like, I had no idea
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it wasn't so much to be hired. He wanted
• 49:44
  Speaker 13: to craft to sell one percent of the team to
• 49:47
  Speaker 13: Tim Mahra. You know, Tim was Bill's confident with the Giants.
• 49:51
  Speaker 13: Now Bill had a great relationship with Willing Timara, but
• 49:54
  Speaker 13: he was really close to Tim Marhra and he felt
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: that Tim could be kind of the buffer between him
• 50:03
  Speaker 13: and Craft and suggested to him. I don't know how
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: deep into the Craft ownership that happened, but it wasn't
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: very long that he went to Craft and said, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 13: I got this great idea. You know, why don't you
• 50:15
  Speaker 13: sell one percent to Tim Mayer. You know, he's my guy,
• 50:18
  Speaker 13: and then we can communicate through him. And Kraft goes, no,
• 50:21
  Speaker 13: I'm not doing that. I don't want anybody between you
• 50:24
  Speaker 13: and me. I want us to have that kind of relationship.
• 50:27
  Speaker 13: And Bill just never embraced Craft, which you guys know
• 50:30
  Speaker 13: because after four years the relationship kind of disintegrated and
• 50:36
  Speaker 13: Bill was gone. But I think that's something they both
• 50:40
  Speaker 13: come to regret. But just the fact that Bill wanted
• 50:43
  Speaker 13: to bring in his own guy into ownership tells you
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: all you need to know about how Bill felt about
• 50:49
  Speaker 13: Craft in the early years.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I wanted to stick on the Parcels thing because one
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: of the things that stood out to me when reading
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: it was the story of when Parcels originally left the Giants,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: and you had sort of explained how, and I remember,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: you know, so what, I was just out of college
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: when this happened, and I sort of remember, but I
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: wasn't in the business yet or anything like that, so
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't know all the details. I always felt Parcels
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: left the Giants late, you know, when he stepped down,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: and it was after Belichick had already accepted the Cleveland job,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: and I kind of took that out as well. He
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: obviously didn't want Belichick to replace him. But you sort
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: of explained how George Young had always said that Belichick
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: would never be the Giants head coach.
• 51:30
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, Parcels towards the end of the nineteen
• 51:34
  Speaker 13: ninety season went to George Young and said, do you
• 51:38
  Speaker 13: want me to do everything I can to keep Belichick
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: and or Tom Coughlin because you know, Tom then went
• 51:45
  Speaker 13: to Boston College and stayed the rest of the season
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: with the Giants, and Belichick got hired, you know, quickly
• 51:51
  Speaker 13: after the Giants beat the Bills in a Super Bowl,
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: and George told him.
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: No, let him both go if they want to go.
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: And Bill goes, but I'm not sure what I'm doing
• 51:59
  Speaker 13: next year, And George said, no, that's okay, and that's
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: because he had Ray Hanley in mind, the running back
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: coach that nobody ever really knew much about. But he
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: was very similar to George. You know, they're both very
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: you know, professorial types that would say kind of eggheads,
• 52:18
  Speaker 13: and George felt he was.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: Ray Hanley was a kindred spirit. Although nobody had any idea.
• 52:24
  Speaker 13: That he did anything for the Giants other than he
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: was really helpful of parcels in the game management because
• 52:32
  Speaker 13: he was a card counter in Vegas and he actually
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: got thrown out of Vegas to doing that. So he's
• 52:36
  Speaker 13: great with numbers and so managing the clock in the
• 52:39
  Speaker 13: last few minutes of the game, it was it came
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: naturally to him and that was his biggest contribution. So
• 52:47
  Speaker 13: when Belichick left, you know, Kaflan had already decided to
• 52:50
  Speaker 13: leave to go to BC, and then Bill didn't leave
• 52:53
  Speaker 13: until the end in the middle of May.
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: A lot of people thought that Bill did it to.
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: Screw over the Giants because he enjoyed didn't get along.
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: And that goes back to after bill S first season,
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: he was three twelve and one and George would have
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: hired Howard Schnellenberger to replace him, except Snollenburger turned it down.
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: Bill found out about it through Al Davis, who found
• 53:14
  Speaker 13: out about it through Jimmy the Greek and.
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: So Parcels always resented George.
• 53:20
  Speaker 13: After that, and I think that had something to do
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: with the fact that Belichick and George never got along.
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: So Belichick was never going to be the coach of
• 53:30
  Speaker 13: the Giants, I mean, taking the Cleveland job.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: If he wanted.
• 53:36
  Speaker 13: I'm not even sure he would have survived the change
• 53:40
  Speaker 13: over to the staff to Ray Hanley, not that he
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: would have wanted to, but if he didn't get the
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: Cleveland job, I'm not sure where Bill would have been
• 53:47
  Speaker 13: coaching in nineteen ninety one.
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: The other thing I think I learned. I'm not sure
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I knew this, but maybe I forgot. But you write
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that the day that Brady went over to tell Kraft
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that you know this is it, I'm leaving that he
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: already had the Tampa Bajor. He had already decided that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: he was going to the BUX. I don't think I
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: knew that.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 13: Well, First of all, there weren't that many teams that
• 54:12
  Speaker 13: were going after Brady. If you remember, the Raiders were
• 54:17
  Speaker 13: somewhat interested, but Gruden put the kebash on that. Tom
• 54:20
  Speaker 13: actually said a couple of months ago that Chicago was
• 54:23
  Speaker 13: a possibility.
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: But Tampa was his hand picked spot.
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: Again, it wasn't like he had twenty teams after him,
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: and he had studied the roster and there was some
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: pieces in place in the front office there he's familiar with,
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: and they had a really good team. I mean they
• 54:45
  Speaker 13: were seven or nine in twenty nineteen with James Winston
• 54:49
  Speaker 13: throwing thirty interceptions to go along with thirty three touchdowns.
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: So it was clear they had a good team.
• 54:54
  Speaker 13: I think went seven games with a quarterback throwing thirty interceptions.
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: So he knew that it was a spot and it
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: was only a couple of days later that they made
• 55:03
  Speaker 13: it efficient.
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got I got a question, how ahead, Mike, Hey, Gary,
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: you know you've written about the forty nine Ers, the Cowboys,
• 55:11
  Speaker 9: some of these other dynasties. Do we only look at
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: this Patriots dynasty as Belichick first Brady? Was there an
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: element of you know, Bill wash Montana or Staback you
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: know in Landry.
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: Do do we only look at this relationship on the
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: Patriots uniquely this way?
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Meaning when we look at the like who was more
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: like like, are there debates about who was more? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: Well I think with the Niners, you know, there was.
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: Uh, you know, Walsh and Montana won three Super Bowls together,
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: but then the year after Walsh retired, Montana led the
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: Niners to another super Bowl with George Seffert, and that was,
• 55:56
  Speaker 13: you know, was one of the two or three of
• 55:58
  Speaker 13: the better teams that the Niners had. If I think
• 56:04
  Speaker 13: the reason that were kind of fixated on this somewhat
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: is because it was it was six championships together. Wals
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: in Montana was three, Landry and Starback was two, and
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: they also lost a couple of Super Bowls together. The
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: fact that Brady and Belichick was six and three, you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 13: far two more super Bowl championships than Nolan. Brats are
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: one and two more than Montana one, and like I mentioned,
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: three of those were with Walsh. I think that, like
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: the body of work almost begs the question, and because
• 56:37
  Speaker 13: it also lasted twenty years, it begs the question of
• 56:40
  Speaker 13: which one of these two is more was more responsible?
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: And when when you think that Belichick is, you.
• 56:47
  Speaker 13: Know, arguably the best coaching NFL history and Brady is
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: inarguably the greatest quarterback in the NFL history. It's such
• 56:54
  Speaker 13: a unique circumstance when you have guys who were, you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: at the very top of what they did, and they
• 57:00
  Speaker 13: did it together. I think it's only natural to try
• 57:03
  Speaker 13: to figure out which one was more responsible.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: And despite all that, Gary, who did Jimmy Garoppolo say
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: it was responsible?
• 57:10
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean that was That's one of the best
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: quotes to have in the book.
• 57:14
  Speaker 13: When I asked Jimmy that question and he said it
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: was craft basically because he was putting out fires all
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: the time. I didn't use this quote that Jimmy says,
• 57:23
  Speaker 13: you know, one day, we'll get together for a beer
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: and I'll tell you all the inside stuff. I can't
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: tell you how many times I've heard that from players
• 57:29
  Speaker 13: and coaches. You know, just give me a few years
• 57:32
  Speaker 13: when I'm out of the game, and I'll tell you
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: all the good stuff.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: Well, that's a retire they say, Now I still can't
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: tell you that.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Gary is like, you know, people say,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: you know, why did the Patriots dynasty break up? You
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: know what, what was the I think the real question
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: is how did they keep it together for twenty years?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Because you talk to guys like Jimmy Johnson, and you know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: once you start winning, everyone's got their handout and the
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: entitlement that goes on in any organization from the top down.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: But to keep together for twenty years, I think Craft
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: did have a lot to do with that in terms
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: of whether it's putting out fires or just mending fences
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: between Belichick and Brady.
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: And all that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: So I can understand where Garoppolo is coming from when
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: he says that absolutely.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: I think that's the.
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: Understated contribution of the dynasty is Robert Crafts role in it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: You know, besides all the market he's a great businessman,
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: as you all know, and he bought a franchise for
• 58:32
  Speaker 13: about two hundred million dollars that's probably worth close to
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: ten billion now. But a lot of it has to,
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: you know, be attributed to Belichick because the winning is
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: would increase the value of the team. I think Craft
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: did a lot, especially the last ten years, to keep
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: things together and to try to patch things up and
• 58:51
  Speaker 13: smooth things over between Craft and Belichick because you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: I mean between Brady and Belichick, the more you win,
• 58:58
  Speaker 13: the harder it is to stay together. Al Davis always
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: told Parcells ten years as the max you can coach
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: in one place because your audience starts turning a.
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: Deaf ear to what your message is.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: I think that's changed over the years because of free agency,
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: because there's a thirty percent roster turnover on the average
• 59:17
  Speaker 13: team every year, so you have a new audience every year.
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: But for them to stay as long together as long
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: as they did was remarkable, and for it to not
• 59:28
  Speaker 13: blow up until after twenty years together is unheard of.
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: And I think that the one question I didn't address
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: in the book.
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: You know, sometimes I guess kicked myself sometimes after it's
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: too late to change anything.
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: The one question I would have liked.
• 59:47
  Speaker 13: To explore, and maybe you guys have insight into this
• 59:50
  Speaker 13: is what would have happened if Belichick was the one
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: who went to Tampa and Tom stayed.
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: In New England.
• 59:56
  Speaker 13: So Tom tried to win with the roster that Belichick
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: had put together. Other would say Josh McDaniels as the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: head coach, and Belichick went to Tampa with that roster,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 13: and maybe he would have kept Jameis Winston, I don't.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 14: Know, or just brought in somebody else. Yeah, with Winston, No,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 14: you know, maybe he would have. Maybe he would what
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 14: Cam Newton to, uh right, right, Yeah, who knows?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 13: But you know, could Belichick have if they were if
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 13: they were to switch spots then because one of the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: quotes in the book from Belichick that he told me
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: was that, you know, Tom, they wouldn't have won it
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: in twenty twenty with Tom because the roster had you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 13: fallen apart, uh to such an extent that he didn't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 13: think Tom could win there. So but you know, in
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: what I would call the alternate Universe that I had
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: a chapter in the book about the old universe about
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 13: things that could have happened in NFL history but didn't.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: I should have included this is would Belichick have won
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: in Tampa without Tom? And could Tom have won in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 13: New England with out Belichick the way those two teams
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: were constructed.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: In I think I think if it's a it's a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: fun discussion, But I think for Bill it would have
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: taken longer. He needs to build his team the way
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: he wonts.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: The answer is probably no for both. But I would
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: say that that same roster won twelve games with Brady
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: quarterback in the year before it was deteriorating all over
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: the place. We knew, we were all covering it at
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: the time. I don't think they were a championship contender
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: with even if Brady stayed, but they they wouldn't have
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: fallen apart like that with Brady.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: If you remember, and you guys know this better than
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 13: I do, but if he ended twenty nineteen season, season
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 13: didn't the Patriots.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: Was a home game to Miami. Oh yeah, first round.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, so it just continued the next week against against
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 13: Tennessee and the playoffs. You know, the arrow was pointing down.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: But if they had won that game against Miami, who
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: knows what would have happened.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't have won the Super Bowl, but you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: never know.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, you know, when Vrabel came in here,
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  Speaker 2: he started, he starts he's bringing in his guys. When
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  Speaker 2: Belichick first got to the Patriots, one of the first
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  Speaker 2: things he did was start to bring in his guys like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Bobby Hamilton and Anthony Pleasant, you know, guys
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  Speaker 2: that were his circle the wagon, guys like Parcels used
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  Speaker 2: to call him. So I think Bill going to Tampa,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been I think eventually he'd probably start winning.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it would have been immediately.
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  Speaker 13: You have to remember this, in my opinion, at least
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  Speaker 13: the Tampa roster in twenty twenty was much better than
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  Speaker 8: And to god, yes, all they needed was a quarterback.
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  Speaker 13: They had a good defense, they had a really good
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  Speaker 13: offensive line, they had two good receivers and Evans and Godwin,
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  Speaker 13: they had some good tight ends that they just needed
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  Speaker 13: a quarterback. Maybe they needed the greatest quarterback ever to win.
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  Speaker 13: Maybe somebody a notch or two below wouldn't have won.
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  Speaker 13: But I think I'm not sure that Belichick would have
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  Speaker 13: had to turn over that roster.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be a culture shock for those guys under Bruce
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: arians and then going to Bill Belichick that would have
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  Speaker 2: been like yeah, so I don't know, but Gary, I appreciate.
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  Speaker 13: That's right, It's Brady versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate September sixteenth,
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  Speaker 2: Some of us still go to bookstores. All right, Gary,
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  Speaker 2: thanks a lot, congratulations on the book. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 8: Time, perhaps anytime. Guys, thanks so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 16: Plush today at practice Yeah, I think, uh yeah, really,
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  Speaker 16: I think just keep on going, you know us first,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 16: our defense. I think it's always great work, you know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 16: with the guys that got over there, the different stuff
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 16: they do, and then really just us, you know, keep
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 16: working on communication, you know, knowing our rules for on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 16: our rules and building chemistry on to get ready for
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  Speaker 16: week one. I think, you know, I've been proud of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 16: the guys last two days of you know, taking this
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 16: time you know to get better and not kind of
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 16: usually as a kind of relaxed week. I think we're
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 16: trying to you know, get after it and get ready
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 16: for We won.
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  Speaker 13: Everything from the spring through the summer to now the
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  Speaker 13: end of training camp.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think we've just been trying to buy in.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 16: You know, Coach Rabel came here in mid clear from
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 16: day one, Hey, drop your we goes at the door.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 16: We'll get here to work. We want guys to finish
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 16: and work hard and give effort. And I think, you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 16: know we'll start to see that and build that and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 16: just kind of keep working and bring it to the field,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 16: you know, week one. So uh, I'm just trying to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 16: do my part and try to come out here every
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 16: day and try to get better.
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  Speaker 17: Being the quarterback makes you the most nervous right now
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 17: as you prepare for your first career Week one start.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 16: Well, aspect of being the quarterback makes me most nervous.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 16: I wanna say nerves. I think just just anxious to
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  Speaker 16: get out there. We'll be in front of the home crowd,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: hopefully good crowd. Nerves wise, I think you get nerve,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 16: I get nervous, broout, you know, the same amount every
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 16: every game out there, I'm thinking, no matter, you know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 16: back to high school kind of the same. Not really nervous,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 16: just jitters getting out there and kind of once you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 16: get go into the game, I feel good and kind
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 16: of from here, just you know, getting ready for with
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 16: the new guys, kind of new guys playing with so
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 16: kind of building chemistry with them. It's probably i'd say
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 16: in a game like Setting Brother than that would stay nervous.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 16: I think just more excited and anxious.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: How would you describe the identity of this football team
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 9: or what we're going to see in.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: The regular season?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think, Uh, I think we're trying to build
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 16: a team that's bring it every play, you know, no
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 16: plays off, you know, no days off. And I think,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 16: what coach, you know, I'm trying to build. What the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 16: guys are trying to you'll give into is uh. You know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 16: if you're not gonna play hard and you know you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 16: can mess up and do a mistake, we do it
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 16: at full speed. And I think we're trying to bring
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 16: that and you'll play hard and play hard on the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 16: other team being good condition, and then you know from
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 16: there to try to execute, you know, in a situation
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 16: fal football. I think that's where we're preaching. You know,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 16: so many games or one and lost by one score
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 16: and situations, so try to excel in that area and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 16: from there just take care of the football and gives
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 16: a chance every week.
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  Speaker 4: I believe you've had the whole summer working with Josh
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: mc daniels. What's your level of excitement now kind of.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: The three preseason games a out of the way for
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: the next game is the you know, home of the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: season opener.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: So what's your level of excitement working.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: With Yeah, I think I'm pumped up.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 16: I think anytime you get a chance to go into
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 16: a game and you'll see how the game plan works.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 16: And you can see a little bit in preseason, but
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 16: you know, now it's full go. You'll kind of game
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 16: plan a team and you know watching tape, you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 16: with you with him in there and just you know,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 16: seeing what he's seeing and try to be on the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 16: same page. That's the funnest part. I think you're playing
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 16: the position of trying to You'll see something in the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 16: film room on you know Monday or Tuesday go out
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 16: there and do in practice and executing the games. That's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 16: kind of how the ritual goes, and it's it's it
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 16: feels good when you you know, see it on tape
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 16: and accomplish something. So just getting into the groove and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 16: I think just having you know, uh, coordinator who trusts
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 16: me and you know, puts full trust and you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 16: the guys and myself and go out there and have
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 16: some fun.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: What the game planning process is going to be like, Yeah,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: well we.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 16: Got a little bit sensitive in preseason obviously different the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 16: full week to kind of get going with the guys.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 16: So I'm excited just trying to You'll be all in
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 16: the Raiders and take one week at a time and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 16: then from here just try to you'll take the little
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 16: details and like I said, follow our rules and go
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 16: out there and kind of be instinctive and play hard.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 17: Is it to you to get Stefan involved even on
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 17: the practice field and just you know, feeding him targets
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 17: and developing Yeah, you guys.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 16: Shoot, he's a phenomenal player. You know what he can do,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 16: and you know how much is you know ball he's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 16: played and how many plays he's make. Just try to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 16: give them give him the football and you know, whether
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 16: it's extra work with him or actually worked out of
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 16: practice from the film, but trying to he'll be on
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 16: the same page. And I think, you know, what's you know,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 16: he's uh, he'll got one on one matchups or he
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 16: feels his own. He knows you know, coverage really well.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 16: So I think you do a lot of things well.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 16: So it's it's good for us to use him, you know,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 16: as much as he's able to, you know, handle, And
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 16: I think it's excited to you know, get there and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 16: you know, don't don't call footballs and then building the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 16: chemistry and practice. I think we've got to kind of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 16: built it, you know here lately, and I think just
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 16: kind of carry that into the season.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 17: Is there any pressure on you he's a guy who's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 17: obviously accomplished a lot in his career. Yeah, there's any
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 17: pressure on you as a young quarterback to make sure
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 17: he gets the ball, make sure he's he's feeling good
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 17: about where.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say pressure.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 16: I think he knows, you know, he knows the plays,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 16: and always try to tell the guys, hey, if you've
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 16: seen something, hey, you know, give me something on the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 16: sideline or something like that. But I'm gonna try to
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 16: throw the guys that open. If he's opened a lot,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 16: then he'll get the ball a lot.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: So after the Minnesota game, at the first drive, he
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: had a couple of up high and said, I just
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: came out a little shoe stuff, you know, a little
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: player off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Do you have any strategies in mind for saying, right,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: how can they get out there and just relax at
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: the beginning years, because it's not unique to you far
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: about it a lot of guys.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 16: I think just it's kind of like you know, back
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 16: in the day playing basketball, kind of find a you'll
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 16: find a layup before you start shooting threes. I think
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 16: just whether it's a good run or you know, with
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 16: the guys up front and the running backs, or maybe
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 16: easy completion. But other than that, I think it's just uh,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 16: just getting out there, and I think that's part of it.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 16: I think it's whether it's gonna be kind of the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 16: jitters or gonna be fired up. That's more of what
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 16: it is. Just to kind of calm that. And I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 16: think kind of use the guys around me as well.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 16: I think use the guys around me to kind of
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 16: feel like Hey, you know if if if they're pump up,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 16: I'm gonna get a little pumped up. But you know,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 16: when I get out there, kind of be cool and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 16: calm and collected.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: See I think you should get here, I think, yeah.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Got down day tomorrow.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 17: Have you detected any anxiousness in the locker room or
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 17: among the players as we approach it tomorrow.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always a tough day.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 16: You know, I really got to experience it, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 16: one time last year with the guys around the locker room.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 16: Obviously you hear about it, and you have so many
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 16: guys out here that worked their butts off that are
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 16: kind of you'll fight and crawling to make the team,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 16: and you know that, you know, it's news that obviously
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 16: they're unfortunate for them and unfortunate for us. Who you'll
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 16: build a relationship with them. And I remember the rookies,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 16: I felt like all those guys are with me and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 16: in training camp, and you know, coming out of rookie
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 16: Minnie camp and next thing, you know, like that, we
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 16: got down at ten or twelve lookers in the locker
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 16: room from thirty so it was tough for me to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 16: you realize that's the nature of the business. And then
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 16: from there just a you'll pump those guys up if
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 16: you never know missing him again, you see, you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 16: hasty back out here and guys like that, you never know.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 16: The relationship's never over. And for those guys, just another
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 16: step in the journey and and try to stay in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 16: touch with.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Them and now great moments in.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: History.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 18: By the way, speaking of Edelman, I'm a little worried
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 18: about him. Why he is too jacked Yeah, I mean
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 18: it's like he's become a body build.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: He's gonna get hurt.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: He's gonna get hurt.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 11: It's all edited.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's like, now that Tom's gone, I'm not
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: doing that TV twelve stretching anymore and lean muscle and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: the like.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: He's yeah, because that really kept it, really kept him
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: healthy in the past. He's he's really been durable.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Veins are popping out, like he is jacked up.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: He is just.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Thirsty on Instagram.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: It's like, come on, take it easy, jewels stuff.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 17: I'm a little worried about his obsession with the short
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 17: shorts cut off.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Listen, if I look like him, I be nude.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment, all right.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Back here, and Patriots make you Gary Myers for doing that.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: It's a good read, I would suggested, easy.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: It'll take you Patriots fans take it down memory lane too.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's a good read. And like I said, I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: won't give away his conclusion, but you can probably guess
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: what it was. But but it's good stuff.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: If you're listening to his interview, you wouldn't guess what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: it want.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Nate writes in from Connecticut. He's not calling in.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: He says, I'm emailing because the phone lines have been
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: down for me for some reason. I was really committed
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: to getting a calling to tell you guys, I'm going
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: back to school tomorrow and will be unable to call
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: in anymore unless I am sick on Tuesday or Thursday.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I just assumed his mother has him on punishment. Yeah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: he's not allowed to use his phone.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: My hopefully not. Final question for you guys is what
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: do you guys think of the Jacoby Myers trade request.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: The big pattern we've noticed is when you request a trade,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: you get paid. Is Jacoby looking to get paid or
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: does he really not want to be in the situation.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: He's been in Vegas for the last few years. I'd
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: love to have him back in New England. He was
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: very productive and him paired with May is a match
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: made in heaven. I think it's all about money.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Well, he is looking to get paid. Yeah, yep, yeah.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think the conditions are like intolerable. I think
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: he's just They've tried to talk and I guess it
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: just hasn't gone anywhere. And he wants his money.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: I think it's what's his stats, like he had a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: thousand yards? I mean, he just he like.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: Twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: I mean every quarterback that he's played with, he's been
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: productive and you can't knock that.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: It's production is all the.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Matters, player find space, does all those things. I'm Evan
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: and I talked about it a little bit off air.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: I would take him back. I think he's a good
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: player and I was very high on Jacoby Myers never
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: wanted him to leave in the first place.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: I'm sure right on.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: I just feel I just feel like they have enough
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: of those kinds of receivers, you know, and Diggs is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: obviously a higher end, you know, type of you know
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: kind of zone beater find space, you know, versatile to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: beat Man and zone.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: He doesn't change the equation for the Patriot.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: He's got Douglas in the slot. You got everybody's favorite Chisholm, right,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: I mean another guy who finds space and you know,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: you know, creates separation, you know underneath. I just don't
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: know how many of those guys you need.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if your response to this is that just take
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: the talent and figure it out later, and I'd totally
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: a fair take to have on it. But when you
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: start of get into the minutia of it, Jacoby Myers
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: is a Z receiver. Stefan Diggs is a C receiver.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: So if you trade for Jacoby Myers, one of those
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: guys is playing out a position, and I don't know
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: if they are, especially Digs at this point of his career.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to be productive playing
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: the X, like, I don't know if that's really going
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: to be a good.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Role for him. It's either Zo the slot, right, He's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: not an outside.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Right, So if you put him at the X, how
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: is Stefon Diggs really going to feel about that? Because
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: now the targets are going to be funneled someplace else,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: and we'd all know that that role is the role
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: that gets the high volume in this offense. Essentially, what
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, they signed Digs to be Jacobe Myers right
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: like that day. Once they have redundancy, they're overlapping receivers.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: So you could sit here and say, just take the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: good receiver and we'll figure out all these problems later.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: But I think it's more complicated than that with this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: particular receiver in this particular offense.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: So Richard and Attleborough along the Meyers trade rumor type
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: of discussion, he says, I always felt that letting Jacoby
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: go was a favorite Bill gave to Josh to help
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: him in Las Vegas. I don't think it wasn't. No.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: He also wants to know has the Patriots considered creating
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: an official discord Do you guys know what we're talking
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: about the forums?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Uh, we have not considered that, but maybe an offline conversation.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that you like discord.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: Discord's fun. It's uh, it's basically like it's kind of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: like a newer Reddit, where like you have like live conversations.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: So instead of posting to it and then people reacting.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: You actually host like a Q and A for like
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: an hour on the Patriot Discord, so I would be
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: in there, Deuce could be in there, and the fans
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: could come in and ask questions in text form and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: then we would like have an ongoing.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Reddit has that too? What are they call it?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: On AM?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: That's asked me anything? That's different?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: But those are live?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but like that's that's the idea of it.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: And they're pretty pop like and you have sort of
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: like you know, it's kind of like it's kind of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: like kirsh words. Honestly, it's kind of like that where
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: it's like the same people kind of gather, you know,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: every week and and that sort of thing. So, uh,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: it could be something, but I don't know if we
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: would like.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 9: Just call into the show here while we're sitting here
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 9: about you know, four to six hours a week where it.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: Is for you know, people that that want a text
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: call in and right a lot of people now.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: Sure at platforms.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Cody in Indiana says today is a day of celebration.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: We finally got a good call from Christian in La
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: We got to hear him play the bongos underwater and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: then Fred promptly hung up.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: On Wow, there you go, stupid Uber driver. He's got
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 7: a call back and blame the Uber driver.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: It was his fall, But like, is that important actually
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: have to call?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Like you're in an uber that's actually a Limo drives buddy,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: but he's trying to die.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Really disappointed. You're in an Uber and not a well,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: it might have been an Uber X, it could be Excel.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: He just gets the big one anyway.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Colby has a quick over and undergame over under,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Drake may touchdown, passes twenty over, games started by digs
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: twelve over over.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: If these any of these are under.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: That wins for the Patriots.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: Eight over, I'm gonna nine.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: I just I stick my flagging nine under, staying just
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: because no, because I think it's the number. But it's over.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: But I said, push, okay, push push, Let's see a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: better chance seven than nine okay?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline. Boston
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Cream's on it. What's up, Boston Cream?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 11: Hey guys, I got a little bit of a gripe
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: with Evan Good. Evans very smart, obviously know what's a lot,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 11: Thank you, very good. Within his own lane, thank you.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 11: That being said, Evan is a little bit of a
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 11: no at all. I'll give two examples here. There was
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 11: something like discussion about pop culture, and Evan asked Paul
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 11: how often he hangs around eighteen nineteen year old, which
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 11: I thought was quite funny, as I believe Paul is
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 11: the father of one, if not two of them.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 12: That we know of.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: It doesn't count.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think that around? I remember saying
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: that I don't either.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like you though.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 11: The second one was the conversation I think it was
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 11: last week about manual transmission vehicles. Evan was saying that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: they still make manual transmission vehicles, which is true, and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 11: he said they're usually paddleshift.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: No, I said, now we've adapted to more paddle shifters
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: on sports cars especially.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah. True.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: But the question was do they still have a clutch?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 11: He said, yeah, but they have paddle shift. There's taddle
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 11: shifting cars. You don't use a clutch and a paddleship.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 10: That change here?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, wow, got me bo.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 10: I do have a question.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 11: Oh, yes, the Patriots start five and oh or oh
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 11: and five?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: What's more likely?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Better chance? And five?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: I have to say that too.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks, that's a real old school Andy Hart. Better chance
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: what I like?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: Three and just paint the corner.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: That's obviously. I don't think it's very I don't think
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: it's very like. I don't think it's very likely you're
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: going on and five.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Don't know.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: What's more likely.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: They criticism, well, from certain was me. I'd be in
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: the corner, in the fetal position at all times.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: That's not true. I take criticism. Well, listen to the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: open every show from certain people. You know what I mean?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certain people? Hey, you mean you people?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: People?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Try Darius and Louisville has some major gripe. There's a
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: lot of capital letters used in this email. Oh yeah,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: he says a couple of things. I have to say. First,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: can we stop comparing Vrabel and his staff to Mayo
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: and his staff. We all know how inexperienced Mayo and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: his coaches worse, so it's not even a fair comparison.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: How about we compare what Rabel is doing to what
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Bill was doing for twenty years. That's a better comparison.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I believe in Vrabes, but to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: annoy him, the next best things and sliced bread just
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: because he's doing better than Mayo is kind of ridiculous
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. Second thing that grinds my gears is
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: callers and emails that ask the same annoying question every time,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: especially if you guys just talked about it. Just pay
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: attention to the show and your questions will be answered. Wow,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: there you go. Or if he's talking about anyone in particular.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Some of the emails come in before we've actually talked
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: about it. In defending of the email a little bit different,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: so you get like a question that maybe we we
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: hadn't talked about when he sent the email in, And yeah,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: sometimes it can cross streams.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: I think it's a fair comparison that I was thinking
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: a little bit about, you know, Bill saying when they
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 9: won in two thousand and one, they didn't really feel
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: like they had their team in place yet.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: And you know, Paul, you mentioned some of the.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: Veterans that he brought in that second year his guys,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: and I think you've seen a little of that with
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: Rabel bringing in Robert Splaine. You know, the guys that
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: they know just feel like, well, Campbell was one of
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: his guys, even though we didn't play for him. But
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 9: I think you see some of the similar things, they're
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: still gonna have to you know, I use the example
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 9: of a Sante Samuel. Now you know, year three four,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 9: maybe you have a third or fourth round cornerback waiting
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 9: in the wings that you know, you're.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Just calling Super Bowl. I'm not saying drafted. Will Care
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: been drafted, Matt. I'm not saying I've left. I'm just
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying. I'm just saying, you know, Anthony Pleasant
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: and Stefan Diegsteon Branch, Roman, Pfeiffer, Brobby Harnts, Robert Slaine.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Do the math.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, come on, win.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Trevor writes in we spent so much time in the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: offseason talking about wide receiver and while we do still
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: need a true elite guy in the future, when looking
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: at our roster, it might be our deepest position. Paul
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: will laugh, but Chisholm is one of the few guys
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: who went out I hearn a spot the future. Paul, Well,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: I'll read that again since I was interrupted.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Paul will laugh.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: But Chisholm is one of the few guys who went
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: out and earned a spot. And then Booty Hollins Douglas Diggs.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Williams is probably the only room I don't feel terrible
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: about our fifth guy seeing the field. Funny how that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: worked out so.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Real as quick though Kyle Williams is the fifth guy.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: Kyle was back at practice.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Would I would sort of agree.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: I think, like, I just don't feel great about the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: first three.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: The bar the bar was on the floor, like, let's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: not get it twisted. But at the same time, I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: kind of like the mix that they have, Like I
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: at least want to see what it looks like. I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: but like, I kind of like the mix that they
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: have now going.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: To be like Drake made to me, it's a going
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: to be about digs.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: If you can go out there and like, you know,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: if Terry McLaurin actually got traded, like obviously you would
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: want that type of player to add to this room.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: But we were talking about Jacobe Myers a little while ago.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to see what it looks like
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: with these four or five guys, because I do think
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: they compliment each other pretty well, and they have different
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: body types that can kind of you know, mix and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: match a little bit. So again, I know the bar
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: wasn't very high, but this is one of the better
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: rooms that they've had in a while.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit about how much or
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: a little you can glean from preseason. But are there
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: any indications that Josh McDaniels is going to get be
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: able to scheme guys open, like.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Man, I think so any better?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we do we get that indication preseason
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: because I saw some guys like like whether or not
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Drake sees them or not is a different quest. Minnesota,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: we saw guys get open.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, taking the joint practices more, you can see that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff because they're they're not they're not going
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: to show very much on the preseason tape because they
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: don't want to put it on film what they're what
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: they're doing. But in the in the joint practices, especially
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: against the Vikings, I think they did scheme some stuff open.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: Certainly like the one to Trayvon Henderson at the end
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: of the day, one that everybody's talked about for two weeks.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: I saw that.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that one, That one was definitely maybe you know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: sort of like a pick wheel like rub concept that
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: they kind of schemed him open on. So maybe a
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: little bit, but I I still think that That's always
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: been a strength of Josh's, Like I've never really had
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: any concern and that he would be able to dress
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: it up and try to get guys open. Yeah, i'd
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: say too.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 9: Just I think Evan said it a lot, but I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: just to underline it, I think Diggs has shown like, yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 9: when I want to, I'll be able to. But I'm
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 9: not going to like go out here and leave everything
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 9: I've got on the field in a joint practice or
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: in a day in shells out here. So that's what
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 9: I'm excited to see is what is Stefan Diggs fully
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: integrated into this offense with a game.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: You know, a reasonable fact similar of what Digs has been.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Then I would agree with everybody's optimism the wide receivers.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: If not, then you have the same guys that you've had.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if opt like it's not. I understand
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: that where they're at still at the talent level in
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: the room, but I do feel more optimistic about this
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: room compared but only.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Because of dis Yeah, that's it, I mean, I I
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: mean we might be playing to some An Daniels too.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: I think Diggs, I think Matt Collins, I thought what.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Coach can't do it, well, he can can't do it
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: for you, he can help.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know that everybody thinks that it's all
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: about the coaches, but it's about town.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: Garry Myers didn't think that.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Let's see who's this Andrew in New Jersey wants to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: earn a T shirt, so let's see how he does.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: He says he's got a couple of trivia questions and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: if they're good, if people think they're good, maybe uh
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Matt will get a little effort. Last season, there was
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: one game where Joey Slide missed his only field goal attempt.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: What team was that against? Not an extra point shoot?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: That's been lost in the sense of time, Tennessee.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't say I have no idea
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: the Jets, But like he was just one. He missed
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: more than one field goal, right.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I guess maybe he means that in the game he
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: only had one it was and he missed it again.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: You gotta gotta word our questions better.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Who do we play? Last year?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: The answer was Miami Dolphins in Week twelve? You remember that, No,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: I don't wow harder question. We didn't get that.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: One, right, So it was twelve years Ago, I might
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: have been able to get it.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Joey Slide missed seven field goals, not extra points. What
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: teams were they against, Well, we didn't get one of them.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Missed uh Bara Tennessee Seattle in week two, we missed one,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Miami Week five, he missed one Tennessee Week nine, Miami
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: week twelve.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: To have committed to memory individual missiter, Well, he just
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: wants a T shirt.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: No T shirt for you, get Andrew in New Jersey
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: a T shirt.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Joey Slide, the kicker who's not on the team anymore.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: Booming, he kicked another sixty three yarder. I guess in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: the preseason.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: That's like everybody's making sixty three yarders now. It's the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: thing that is for the guy who's the guy on
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: the Cowboys. I can't Brandon Aubrey literally kicking from the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: other side of the fifty.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: Well, the guy from Jackson seventy yard that's well into
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: the other side.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: It's it's crazy like all these kickers these days there
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: are kicking from from sixty plus now.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Adam in down from California. Uh, Deny michel He says,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's funny. On the twenty twenty fourth draft.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: You guys played a game of would you rather maybe
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the guy in the rest the class amiss or May
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: bust and hit on the rest of the class. We
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: all can agree we are hoping May's the guy. Yeah,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: that is true.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: I do remember playing that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is crazy that, out of everything that went
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: wrong last year, if May ends up being what we
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: all think he's going to be, they somehow got that right,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: which is probably the hardest part to get right. And
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: they not only from an evaluation standpoint, because that part
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: was probably pretty easy, but the development standpoint, I think
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: they did a nice job with Drake May.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: That's why I sort of I pushed back a little
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: bit on how bad the coaching was because I do
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: think that Alex van Pelt did a good job with
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Drake May, and I saw some examples. Now, did you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: do a good job with, you know, overcoming the offensive line. No,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: they didn't. They insisted on just doing it the same
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: way all the time and never doing anything to help
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: those tackles. But I do think they schemed guys open
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: for Drake May and gave him a lot of easy throws,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: and I think they they brought up along pretty well.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: And I think he did develop a little Van Russiam.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: They brought him, they brought him along well. His mechanics
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: and his footwork improved under Alex van Pelt. Now Vampel
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: is a great quarterback coach. Maybe I think that's what
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: we really are getting out of that.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: I think you did a good job, you know him individual.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: I think, do you have any you have breaking news?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Just Taylor Swift and well you were looking at the phone.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: I thought maybe you had a little suffer.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: Good for them, two happy kids. Good luck.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know how they'll be able to make ends me.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Those two weddings are expensive, bro, but the chiefs Dyna.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to know that it was for real. Like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: I thought, maybe, oh this is all, But.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: You didn't really buy into that whole the NFL created.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Not the NFL, but like her, you know her marketing.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: I mean the first year when they were together, people
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: thought for sure it was like an NFL conspiracy.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: The NFL doesn't tell Taylor Swift what to do, right.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm just worried now that she's in love, if
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: she doesn't have the same kind of turmoil in.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: Her life to write the great poetry that, she writes,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 7: you know, and just.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 9: Looking for what they when she starts having babies, well
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: I'm saying, like, I mean, I'm not gonna wish a
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: divorce upon them, but divorce be some good information, good
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 9: good inspiration for Taylor.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: If that were to happen, Taylor Army is gonna come
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: after me because Taylor Swift takes.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Do they all like like old school chauvinistic of you, like,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: when she starts having babies, She's gonna have babies.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: She's gonna have babies.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: But if she doesn't want to.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: She doesn't want to, she won't have them. But I
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: think she will.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, Jason Kes got like four daughters, so they
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 7: better get going. They want to balance that off a little.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Bit because Mama Kelsey will want cousins.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: She has grant she got all those daughters, granddaughters. She
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: needs some sons. Quantie Swift, Frank.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Franklin, and Baltimore writes in who among these two receivers
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: do you think will benefit more from McDaniel's scheme and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: the influx of better talent digs Williams Hollins provided better
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: spacing to Marrio, Douglas, Okashawan Boody As a follow up,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: which of these do you think hasn't made been made
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: redundant with the Patriots offseason editions? So to marry we're
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: talking about Pop and Booty here, Which which benefits the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: most from McDaniels and digs and better receivers.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: Around Pop Pop?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: Not even close?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Not close.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, boy, Booty's going to be relegated to not that much.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 9: I think he's going to play a role, yeah, the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 9: sacrificial X because he going to lose that role to Hollins.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: He might. I think.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 9: I think that's a to me that's fluid between those
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 9: two and in a perfect world, that's Kyle Williams emerges
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: into that role full time and then they could maybe.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know, V what do you think
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: do you think that that role is just always going
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: to be? This is kind of what it is? Or
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: like when Randy Moss came in.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: Twenty two thousand and seven, we have a special player
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 9: now this extreme example, but.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: I think we have a special player here. Let's expand
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 7: it a little bit.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: That kind of extreme example, like maybe the bare minimum
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: is like Brandon Cooks in twenty seventeen, and I think
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: that was also out of necessity because Edelman got hurt.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: So like they kind of had to feature Brandon Cooks
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: even more than maybe the plan. But you have to
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: have and Brandon Cooks was a really good player, so
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: you have to have at least that level of X
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: receiver Cooks in order for Cleming that to change. I
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: think like in Vegas he had DeVante Adams, so obviously
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: they they changed some things to to feature Devanta Adams.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're changing things for Matt Collins.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 9: And let's say Mac Collins almost kind of the perfect
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 9: guy for that if you're not going to make it
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 9: like I just want to put somebody in there who's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 9: going to run.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: Really the perfect guy for it because but he blocks well,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: he does like all he's.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: The perfect guy because he can play any of the spots.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he does.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: That's what Josh mc loves does all that anywhere.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: He does all the dirty work. He's going to catch
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: the ball in traffic, he's gonna win the ball down
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: the field, he's going to block, he's not going to
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: bitch about his targets like he's just.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: I agree with all that.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: He was all over the defense to practices. Ago was
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: all over them. I've never seen anything quite like it.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 9: Just yelling at them, hyping them up, you know, yelling, yelling, Gonzales.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 7: All you do is watch, you know, talking trash on
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: the highlights. Is it was pretty funny.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: Cisco and San Diego rights and he has an over
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: under game over under opening touchdown drives seven and a
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: hay oh god.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: That's a high number.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah under, I.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Wonder, but game winning drives five and ahead.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: That's a really high number.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Throw Trevion Henderson touchdowns six and a hay over under
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: over Kyle Williams touchdowns five and a hay under under
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: games where defensive holds teams under twenty one points six
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: and a hay oh ah.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: This schedule and a half points.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: I'll be positive on this one. I say, yes, they
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: got some bad offenses games.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: That's that's the best number. I'm gonna say over because
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: I felt like I said under for everything.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and longtime listener, first time reaching out. Shout out
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Sammy Morris, who was a family friend.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: Nice Okay, okay, same nice man.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: More shout out Sammy Morris, Sam Morris, so Brian and
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Swansea wants to steal Andrew Callahan's two stats in a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: lie game? You want to play that.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: I do like Andrew Callahan's two stats and all.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: So he wants to change it to two facts of stats,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: two facts and a lie. So there's three statements. Two
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: of them are facts. One.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: What do you got?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: Yakob Johnson released by the Houston Texans.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 19: Oh, here we go, full back, Josh, Let's go, let's go, Sorry,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 19: let's go.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm a little surprised he got released, though I
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: think he was.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: I am excited about that. Bring him back, bring him home.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: All right, bring him to facts and a lie. Tom
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Brady and Peyton Manning are the only two quarterbacks to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: win thirteen or more games in a season for two
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: different teams. That statement one. Statement two. The New York
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Jets have never made the playoffs three years in a row,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: and over the last twelve years, the Kansas City Chiefs
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: have more regular season wins than the Jets and Giants combined.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: We have to pick out the lie.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Pick out the lie.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go with as the lie.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: I might go a to the lie.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 14: Two.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: That's seems like but thirteen's a lot, right, Like?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Did Brady win thirteen with Tampa.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: Number one is the lie. Yeah, Jared Goff is the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: only quarterback to accomplish his feet He went thirteen with
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: the Rams in eighteen and fifteen with the Lions last year,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: and the other two are true. Okay, he has two more.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, Brady did win thirteen, so I was right, but
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: not for the right reasons. Right for the wrong reason.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, is he counting like playoff games because that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't count.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: He might have won thirteen, Tom Brady.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know it's got anyway. Game two, there was
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: a two hundred and seventy two game gap between completed
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: passes by a Patriot quarterback. Okay, that's weird.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy two game gap between.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: What completed passes by a Patriot quarterback. What does that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: even mean?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means anyone.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: That's between Brady and someone else.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe okay, again not worded.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't understand.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: John Hannah is the only guard to ever receive a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: vote for AP Offensive Player of the Year.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that these are all just fat Oh
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: this is another round game.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now another round of game.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: I can't really participate in this one because I don't
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: understand the first.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: And John Stalworth holds the NFL record with eight consecutive
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: playoff games with a touchdown reception. A Patriot player with
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: only twelve career regular season touchdown receptions is second all
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: time on this list with seventh straight playoff games with
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: a touchdown reception. I don't know. Number two was the lie?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: Number two was the lie? Does he have any explanations there?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John Hannah did receive a vote for AP Offensive
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Player that I knew that number one is true, he says.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Doug Flutie completed a pass to John Stevens in the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter of a loss the Atlanta Falcons on October fifteenth,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: eighty nine. His next pass completion as a member of
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: the Patriots was Detroy Brown in the fourth quarter.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: Now I understand it, right, Okay, Now I understand.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: It could have been worded better.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why I wanted you to be.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: The last one. Over the last fourteen years, every team
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: in the AFC South has a losing.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Record over the last fourteen.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Years, has had he should have said, has had?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I think like one year one year there no, I
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: think he means over the last fourteen years, they all
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: have a losing record.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: Sure don't have a losing record over the last it
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: would be the lie.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see what he means cumulatively. Okay, okay, I
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: get it now. Over the last fourteen years, every team
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: in the AFC South has had a losing record over
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: those fourteen years. The second statement, Andy Reid has a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: higher career regular season winning percentage than Bill Belichick regular
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: season I.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Believe that's true.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: And finally, Mike Rabel is the only NFL head coach
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: who has also caught a touchdown pass in the NFL. Oh,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: look active, which one is the lie?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: Hmm.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick with the first. I'm gonna say A
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: is the lie.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: Colts.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I think the Colts probably have a winning number.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Three is the lie. Mike Ditka also caught a touchdown
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: pass from Roger starback in Super Bowl six.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: Head coach.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: He was a head coach, but did not say active.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I thought you said active.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: Did not say I was thinking active.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought you guys said active.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 7: Dan Campbell never caught a touchdown.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. Yeah, I guess not. I feel
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: like he had to have right, like you played tight ends?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Did he really even play?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, and he was definitely a blocking tight end,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: Like I look at the guy, but like.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: Slip him out and hit him in the flat.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: John and Ireland, those are good yeah, and those are hard.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Ye, John and Ireland. Can we expect to see tight
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: ends being used for support for Will Campbell in the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: early season games?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: I think you expect to see that frequently.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: I think for both tackles, yeah, chips, things like that.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: I think that that's we've seen that all summer long. Honestly,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: that they've.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Been I have to say that when the rumors of
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Hendrickson possibly go into the Raiders, that scared the hell
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: out of me. I mean, what do you do?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 12: You know?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: Chip them double chip, send waves.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: Dan Kimmell had like eleven touchdowns in his career.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Really that has so that's wrong?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Dan Kimmel's also throw it was wrong anyway,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: just three days older than me.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it was Dicka Like never mind.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Sweet kid rights. It haven't heard from him in a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: long time now. Melvin and Tennessee. I spent the summer
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: studying the English language, so that I can sound smarter.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: So far, I've learned three new words. I don't know
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: what those words are though yet. Anyway, how do you
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: feel about the backup quarterback position for a team that
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: might be on the verge of making the playoffs? I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: hope they can pull out a game or two of
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: maya sideline, that brief period could swing things.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: I have a question that's kind of related to that,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: but not necessarily for the same reasons. Do you think
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: having a quality backup quarterback is more important if you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: to be a good team, then it would be if
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: you're just trying to rebuild.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: No, I would say that again, is it more than.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Melvine was made a point to say for a team
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: that is on the verge of making the playoffs? Is
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: that Does that make it more pressing that you don't
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: feel great about the backup quarterback or you're not you
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: don't want your starting quarterback to get hurt. No, but
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: if you kind of think you're dead.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: If he's but but if he said, on the verge
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: of making the playoffs, so one or two games could
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: be the difference. So if May turns his ankle in
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: the first quarter, do you have a guy who can
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: come in and hope and win that game for it.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: My guess is if you're if you're just that kind
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: of a team where you're a middling team but May
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: is going to put you over the top and maybe
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: get you into the playoffs, then you're not going to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: have a backup that's going to be able to do that.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: Whereas if you're right, Whereas if you're a great team,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: right and you're stacked and I lose my quarterback, all
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: hope is not lost. So you said, the really good
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: team and if I can get a guy that can
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: go in there and keep the you know, train on
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: the rings.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: So you say the backup wouldn't. It's not about the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: backup being good enough. It's the people around him with
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: a backup more good enough.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: The better your team is, I think that that would
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: be more important.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: It's a good point, Paul, Yeah, yeah, I get I
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: get that reason.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: I would feel like if you if you think the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: Patriots are a borderline playoff team, it'd be hard to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: imagine that you're going to continue to be a playoff
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: team if Drake Made doesn't play three games. Yeah, right,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: unless Drake May is just not not as good as
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: we all think.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 7: Like, I don't even want to think that.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: The bottom line the bottom line for sweet Kid, and
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: I think the whole panel here probably agrees they might
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: they might be in the market for another quarterback.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're definitely gonna have three. I mean, they
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: probably signed one to the practice squad at the very least,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: like you can just fore.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: I think they're different things though, Like do you sign
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: the guy for the practice squad to replaced Woldry, Yeah,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: you think you can get better, better developmental right? Or
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  Speaker 3: do you go to fred Route and get this?
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  Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be surprised like if like Tommy DeVito
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  Speaker 4: or Bailey's Appy's on a practice squad for a while. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a guarantee that those guys are
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  Speaker 4: going to find fifty three in a roster spot.
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  Speaker 9: He's interesting that wolders they got rid of him last
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  Speaker 9: week and is there nothing there?
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  Speaker 7: Like what didn't he do?
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  Speaker 9: Did they just say, well, it's never going to happen
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  Speaker 9: with him, Like what's the line for making the roster
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  Speaker 9: as like a practice squad guy with a quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: I just think that he wasn't worth whether it's practice
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  Speaker 2: squad or else.
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  Speaker 9: Having a spot for an interesting evaluation, especially in the
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  Speaker 9: league where luckily now you're in a place where you
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  Speaker 9: feel like you have the quarterback for the moment. But
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  Speaker 9: I would always be looking for some kind of developmental talent,
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  Speaker 9: you know, some kind of guy just to continue.
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  Speaker 3: Was just talking about this on the Nowhere All Hill
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  Speaker 3: yesterday and I just looked at it. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: saw the kid make some throws, and I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he's completely without the ability to pass. But we watched
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  Speaker 3: I think it was twenty practices altogether. He almost never
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  Speaker 3: got any reps y. Yeah, so that told you that
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  Speaker 3: they didn't really think, like, I don't know how that
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: and some people, I'm not saying you guys fell into
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: this character. I don't think you did. But some people
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: were like, Wow, I'm really surprised they let him go
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  Speaker 3: so quickly. I'm like, they kind of told you what
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  Speaker 3: they thought about him all summer when he was watching.
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  Speaker 4: Especially those like the joint practices he got zero never
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  Speaker 4: All right, we got a minute left.
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  Speaker 2: Let's quickly get to some of our callers who have
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: been holding on. Justina, I believe in North Carolina. What's up, Hi?
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  Speaker 12: I was just gonna say that you know, I love Evan,
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  Speaker 12: and I know he has a lot of is there
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 12: a background anyway? I know he's very knowledgeable, but I
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 12: just didn't appreciate I didn't appreciate them saying that he
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 12: was a Nooo, I don't know if I took it
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 12: wrong what And I'm appreciating it not taking it too hard.
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  Speaker 2: So you got Evan's bad bad Actually, Justina, Evan likes
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: to be called to know it all because he believes
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: he is, so people think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 7: As an insight, I know your grandma defend you.
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  Speaker 6: There.
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  Speaker 2: Wayne's in Pennsylvania, Hey, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne's world,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Wayne's worlds gone. Wayne's all right? Sorry, Wayne, all right,
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  Speaker 2: Well that's gonna be it. That's gonna be it for
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered, Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: This week tomorrow, eleven eleven to.
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  Speaker 2: One, eleven to one tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got some moving parts. Okay, we gotta find
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: a time for Catch twenty and then we will be.
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  Speaker 2: Back on Thursday. You're gonna want to watch Thursday show
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  Speaker 2: because you're gonna learn something new. I guarantee it, something
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: in the way of something that people in this show,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: particularly our callers are always very very interested in so
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: on Thursday the.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty eighth, Yeah, can I clear my calendar make sure
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  Speaker 3: I'm here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you am definitely going to want to tune
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