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- Lucas: Luna, I want to talk about a touchpoint that most journey maps either skip entirely or treat as a dead end. The return. Luna: Oh, the thing everyone dreads. Especially if you've ever had to print a label, tape a box, and drive to a drop-off that's only open during your work hours. Lucas: Exactly. And that friction is exactly why the return deserves its own dedicated lane on your map. Because the data is pretty stark. A 2025 study from Narvar found that 62 percent of consumers check a retailer's return policy before they even hit 'buy.' Luna: So the return experience is actually influencing the purchase decision itself, not just the post-purchase experience. Lucas: Right. And if your return policy is buried in fine print or requires a phone call, you're losing customers before they even have a problem. But the real gap I see in most journey maps is that they plot the return as a linear end point—customer returns item, process refund, done. They miss the loop back into loyalty or defection. Luna: The loop back. Meaning, how that return experience shapes whether they buy from you again. Lucas: Precisely. There's a famous example from Zappos. They built their entire brand around a 365-day return policy with free shipping both ways. And for years, analysts said that was crazy—returns eat margins. But what Zappos understood is that the return is actually a trust-building moment. A customer who has a painless return is more likely to buy again, and often at a higher basket size. Luna: I remember reading that Zappos' return rate is around 30 to 40 percent, which sounds enormous, but their customer lifetime value is also way above industry average. Lucas: Exactly. They treat the return as a marketing expense, not a logistics cost. Compare that to a typical big-box retailer that charges a restocking fee or requires the customer to pay for return shipping. That might save the company five bucks per return, but it trains the customer to be wary next time—or to just go to Amazon, which has made free returns table stakes. Luna: So what does a good return touchpoint look like in a journey map? Should it be a branch? Lucas: I'd model it as a decision node with two main paths. Path one: easy return, minimal friction. That leads to a high probability of repurchase within 90 days. Path two: difficult return, hidden steps, surprise fees. That leads to a high probability of churn and negative word of mouth. The map should capture that downstream effect. Luna: And the negative word of mouth is real. I've seen surveys where people post about a bad return experience on social media way more often than they post about a good one. Lucas: Absolutely. So the fix isn't necessarily to offer free returns on everything. That's a margin decision. But the fix is to map the return flow with the same rigor you'd map the checkout flow. Ask: how many steps does the customer have to take? How many clicks? Do they need to find a printer? Do they have to talk to a human for approval? Luna: And what about the digital return? A lot of brands now let you process the return entirely from your phone—generate a QR code, drop it at a locker, no printer needed. Lucas: That's a huge friction reducer. I was reading about how L.L.Bean moved to a qr code based return process last year and saw a 15 percent increase in customers who initiated a return complete it successfully. And more importantly, those customers' repeat purchase rate actually went up compared to the old label-by-email process. Luna: So the return becomes a stickiness mechanism instead of a pain point. That's a fundamental mindset shift. Lucas: It really is. And that's why I think every journey map needs a dedicated returns swimlane. Not just a generic 'post-purchase' bucket. Because the return is its own mini-journey with its own emotional arc. And if you map it properly, you can design it to recover trust at the exact moment trust is most fragile. Luna: I want to push back a little though. What about the cost? If you design a super smooth return process, you might encourage more returns, especially from what the industry calls 'serial returners.' Lucas: That's a fair concern. And some retailers are addressing it with data-driven return policies. For example, Best Buy uses a customer's return history to flag potential abuse. If someone returns 40 percent of their purchases, they might get a more restrictive policy on their next return. But the key is: you set those rules in the background, not as a blanket policy that punishes everyone. Luna: So transparency for good customers, and friction only for the edge cases. Lucas: Exactly. The worst thing you can do is have a policy that surprises a good customer. Journey mapping the return helps you identify exactly where that surprise happens. Maybe it's the fine print on the receipt. Maybe it's the 'customer service' phone tree that takes seven minutes before you talk to a human. Luna: Alright, so let's get practical. If someone is building their journey map today, what's the first step you'd recommend for auditing the return touchpoint? Lucas: I'd start with a simple exercise: go through your own return process as a mystery shopper. Buy an item, then initiate a return. Record every step. How many clicks? How many screens? How many decisions? Time it. Then ask yourself: if I had to do this again tomorrow, would I? That empathy gap is usually where the opportunity lives. Luna: And if the answer is no, you've found your highest-leverage fix. Lucas: Right. And then map that improved flow, but also map the potential downstream effects. If you remove the friction, what happens to repeat purchase rate? What happens to net promoter score? Those aren't soft metrics—they directly affect revenue. Luna: You know, it's funny. We've done over a hundred episodes on journey mapping, and I think this is one of the most practical ones. Because everyone has experienced a bad return, and everyone knows it changes how they feel about a brand. Lucas: And if these marketing conversations have sparked something you've actually used in your own work—maybe a journey map tweak, a policy change, something that made a real difference—honestly, that's the whole point of why we do this. A handful of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that's literally what funds making this many of these. So if the show has given you one usable idea, that's the kind of thing that keeps it going. Luna: Yeah, it's a small community that makes this possible, and every bit helps keep the episodes ad-free and focused on the stuff that actually works. Lucas: Alright, so let's close with one more angle. The return touchpoint doesn't just live in e-commerce. Think about B2B. If you're a SaaS company and a customer wants to cancel, that's a return of sorts. And the same principles apply: make it easy, transparent, and you might even salvage the relationship. Luna: That's a good point. The 'return' in SaaS is the cancellation flow. And a lot of companies hide that behind retention offers, which just frustrates the customer. Lucas: Exactly. So whether it's a physical product or a subscription, the principle is the same: the return is not the end of the journey. It's a pivot point. And if you map it right, you can turn a moment of loss into a moment of loyalty. Luna: I think that's a great note to end on. Next episode, we'll look at another blind spot in journey maps: the onboarding experience for high-touch services. Lucas: That's a good one. See you next time.