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Episode 28. The Story of Us & Velma Dinkley vs. The Slenderman (Feat. Elizabeth Suggs, Author) · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that sounds great.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just for like the yeah, because it's uh one PM here.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just like, well, I have to work later.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: I can't really uh do anything except for coffee right now.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: So do we it's it's new.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's new here.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: So but yeah, that's what we do.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if it was like a trip or you know, if the I had the whole day, it wouldn't be a big deal, but well, I got you.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll have to do one later in the day.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: You're much more productive than we are.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have our own writing group uh tonight, so yeah, can't can't be too drunk.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: But if you guys do feel like you're sober enough, you are more than welcome to come.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's over to me.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth, why are you acting so weird tonight?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about it, guys.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right, um, so I'm good.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: You good?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: I am.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: You good?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: I am good.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everyone's good.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so welcome to High and Drive Podcast, the only podcast we do all of our own stunts.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Ryan Barron North, drunken philosopher.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: With me as always, James Crosslin, resident high philosopher.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Philophere philosopher.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't even started yet.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, James, how's it going?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's going okay.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you seem to be in a rush today.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: So long today.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Take it easy.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is our this is our smooth hour.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to chill.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's fine.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna drink, smoke.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be nice.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be nice.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, yeah, I've had a pretty good week.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: We've had a pretty good week.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 420 is this week.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, by the time this uh by the time this podcast comes out, 420 will have passed and and our special high and dry Twitch episode will have happened.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Come come check it out.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, no.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Don't check it.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: We had if you didn't check it out, you missed it.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: You can come watch it.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: You can it'll be on video on demand on my Twitch stream.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it'll also be uh hosted on the high and dry podcast stream.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: But for for this one, because I have access to affiliate status and I have channel points and stuff, we're gonna do it on the diabolical.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's twitch.com slash the diabolical.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Come by.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Come look at the vibe.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: You can't live participate this time, but subscribe.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Subscribe to high and dry.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be doing a lot more stuff in the future.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's beautiful.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: So with us this week, we have indie publisher and author Elizabeth Suggs, and you're gonna be joining us as a caffeinated philosopher.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Elizabeth, how are you doing?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: How are you guys?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna drink a lot of coffee, so don't worry.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you have to do enough so you can tell that something's off about you.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Don't worry.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is my my second cup, so Okay, good.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Pump that unregulated psychoactive bean juice into your body.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's good for you.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Something like that, right?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, thanks for joining us.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's awesome to have a chance to talk to you.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be a good time.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have uh some good questions planned for you and a fight that I'm actually pretty excited for.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, and then finally, thank you, audience.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, as James is always saying, if you like us, come see our live stream.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining in.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like we always say, you know, please play our stuff, get us those things, like, subscribe, do all that kind of stuff.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, blah, blah, blah, social media.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the whole thing.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so on High and Dry, how we do this, it's a philosophical discussion that leads into a fist fight.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: But before we do that, we gotta get a little high, we gotta get a little drunk, we gotta get a little more caffeinated.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so James, what are you smoking this week?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this week, again, this is pre-420, so I'm still on my Christmas badge when I when the Christmas deals came up.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: So, once again, I'm doing wowie.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think we're gonna have a good time.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: Tastes like bananas, it tastes like banana runs, right?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_02: It tastes just like banana runs.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, it must be nice.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Polarizing.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, and Elizabeth, what kind of coffee are you bringing to the table here?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh a medium roast from a local coffee shop called Salt Lake Roasting Co.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: and it's uh Ethiopian.
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  unknown: So, yeah.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's all fancy.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, very fancy.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: You bust out the ghost.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh, I will be drinking asfalonzuchila again.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait for this bottle to be gone.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: We gotta get that that that uh that opening sound of the bottle on the soundboard so people can go.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, beautiful.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so let's do this.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, first off, our we have a we have a newer toast this week.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, our first toast is, of course, always gonna go to our guest, Elizabeth.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then this one is also going to go to Luke Theedy, our very first Patreon subscriber.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: And also a veteran of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So cheers.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers to you both.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's getting easier.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say, congrats on your Patreon subscriber.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's always the hardest.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: The first one is the hardest, I think.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we bully our friends into it.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: They're in the first place.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if you want to stay friends, you have to support my hobbies.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what's great is we didn't even bully it.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: We just were just like, we're gonna have Patreon.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I'm subscribing.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Liz, thanks for you.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that one was still there.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you have uh what's your writing group like?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the one that happens tonight is uh focused writing.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's for all genres.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have two different writing groups.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one is all genres and one's the romance and writers, but you don't have to just write romance to be part of it.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but the one tonight is all genres and it's focused writing in the sense of we uh write together online, and it sounds really nerdy because it is, uh, but there are writing sprints.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: So at 6 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mountain Standard Time and then 7 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mountain Standard Time, we do a 20-minute writing sprint.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to write as fast as possible.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, it could be gibberish, it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the the fact of getting words out, and I think that is the most successful thing I've found in the group.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everyone is always like, I've done like a chapter more than I would ever have done outside of this.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you don't do anything, if you take anything away from folks writing, do writing sprints.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, James Joyce it.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty cool, pretty cool.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh well, how do we jump onto that?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a it's on Zoom.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I can give you the link later so you can like send it out.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: But uh it's every Monday and it's on my meetup uh little account.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you guys have ever gone to a meetup, it's just Salt Lake and Sandy writing meetup.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's pretty boring of a title, but it's the best way for SEO, you know, it's uh the way for people to search you out.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, for sure.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a computer programmer, I deal with SEO.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: The eternal struggle of marketing and networking.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great time.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, easily my favorite part.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so this one, so our second toast is actually gonna go out to Woodburn, Oregon.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: This one's to Oregon.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pour that one up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cheers, Oregon.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: Way to go.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yay!
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I like Oregon a lot.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: I I I thought I'd live there maybe for a while.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm just go, I'll go wherever anyone asks me to, just so I can have a good software engineer job.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: But Oregon, they decriminalized psychoactive funguses.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen that.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: So they have you can there's no criminal penalty for magic mushrooms in Oregon, which is super awesome.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we gotta have a weird episode there.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's really important because like psychoactive uh ingredients like or the mushrooms or ketamine or anything like that, they've been using that for PTSD.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so if it's yeah, you know, still illegal to use that, people can't actually get the benefits from them.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like with them being illegal, they can't even do research on it.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: So they can't the research that they have to like jump through too many hurdles to do research.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: The same for marijuana.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's a real nightmare.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad Oregon took a huge step forward to decriminalize.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I'm a military member, and so I know people who have PTSD and who are um you know terrified of fireworks, for example.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they just the answer is just to keep drugging them up with pharmaceuticals instead.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's uh it's a shame.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's a shame.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Hooray, starting it out on a good note.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to our happy.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it is a good note though.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: It is a good note because it's decriminalized, you know.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a heavy subject, but it's uh hopeful.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Great mindset.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: So now our third toast.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is the guest toast.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: What is it too?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, uh hmm.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I all the writers out there who have not made it yet, but one day will.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was to you.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because it is so easy to be discouraged and just give up.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: So for those of you who don't give up, yeah.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, it's great that you're you've built a community of writers and you you you spend time working together and bolstering each other.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same with my community of programmers that we've built up.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I really love that that our generation is really taking the initiative and doing that kind of thing.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of us out there who are doing this.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's fantastic.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's awesome.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, with uh my toast, it's not just for uh book writers, you know, it's also for program writers as well.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to do another toast, we can totally do that.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what the hell?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: She talked me into it.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm a peer pressure.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: You better be shaking by the end of this.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you worked.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Just gotta get more.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: The bookcase behind you supposed to fall off.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: All the books, yeah.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um the listeners can't see it right now, but I'm just surrounded by books.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And just wait, they're just gonna tell me.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I'm starting uh quarrying my own work tonight, so I'm jumping back into the slush pile.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see what happens with that.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: So here it goes.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so now that we've all gotten a little drunk, we've all gotten a little high, and we've all gotten a little caffeinated.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's time to get down on this.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a so I was excited for this question.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it came to me in a dream, and then I forgot it in another dream.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was hanging a clock above my toilet, and I fell and cracked my head, and then the question came again.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I just so you you remembered it and then you forgot it while you were in another dream.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Was it a dream within a dream or just a dream a different?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's an inception situation.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a continued, it's a it's a dream consciousness that retains its own memories.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's a behind the scenes for high and dry.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually how we do this.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: I incept these episodes.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: But so the question I have for you guys this week, um, so speaking of writers and um books and work and things of that nature, um, the question I have is about theme.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so, what I want to ask you guys, if someone wrote the the story to your life, um, or either like you, or even hell, you it's the afterlife and you're looking at the book of your life, what is the theme of your book?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what is the lesson that a reader is going to take away from your life book?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like what's the overarching message behind what you have done and who you are as a person?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Guests first, go ahead.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that's uh I think that the over like arcing uh arching thing in theme is uh never giving up, even when you're like on the brink of just going, ah, you know, it's it's like the same thing, and you have to make that sound.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the same thing uh where I was mentioning earlier where it's like that that uh hardship, it's like the heavy subject to something hopeful.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not to get like you know, sad or anything, but it's it's you know, life, especially like during puberty, is like, oh my god, you know, I don't know how you guys I am so glad I'm an adult.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just like that, yeah, you know, even just like the heaviness, like I I always had so many emotions, and then just becoming hopeful because you're always going to have hard days, you're always going to, you know, you know, just question your abilities.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: But as long as you always know that you're hopeful that there is that thing that just can constantly bring you up, I think that's you know, that's what's helped me.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's what that's gonna be my my heaven book, whatever afterlife book you wanna you wanna say it is.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And there might be graphic, it'll might be a graphic novel, because you know that'll be cool.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right, nice, nice.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I like it.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and I like how you mentioned like the because I've met so many people who are like, God, I wish I could just go back to high school.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, really?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with you?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad I can go into a bar and I can like drink whenever I want, I can walk into the street and you know, I I can just do anything I want.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: I could go on a trip, but as a a teenager, you cannot do that kind of stuff.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm just happy that I'm I'm no longer clinically insane, you know.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not constantly assaulted by every little thought that like flitters past my face, you know.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that those people who want to go back to high school is they that's the ignorance is bliss uh mentality where they're like, I would love to be ignorant again because this shit's real hard and I don't like it.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I could never do that.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: I could never go back to being ignorant now.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's it's a it's a moral uh it's a moral imperative that I don't go back to the way I was in high school.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, seriously, I could never like being a kid too, like that idea of the the simple like living, the innocence and stuff, it's that sounds nice in a way, but to think that you can't retain any of your your struggles or your things that you've learned, it just feels like a different version of hell to me.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, because I I I love knowledge.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: I that's that's what I get off on.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: So no.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, I've uh you know, I've fought and bled and you know cried and learned and I've hurt everyone close to me.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: I've hurt everyone close to me, and to just like say, nah, that was for nothing.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back to being a little teenage monster.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: No way, no way.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, so James, um, so uh I I've just made it to the afterlife, and whoever's there, Anubis is like, hey, you want to read this book?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's about your friend James.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: I read it.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's the theme like?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Harlequin novel.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Total disdain.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Smut.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just plain smut.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: You should come to my romance category, my romance writing group.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Not too challenging, very, very graphically impassioned.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it would be.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: And you'd have to relive every single one of my escapades.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool, cool.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, no, that's all I got.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Please.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a graphic smutt novel.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well then, so if that's what is that your final answer?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's my final answer.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm totally fine with that.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is great.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then uh for me, um, no, I would uh I mean I think I'm definitely going in line with all let me let me filter back through the tequila.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's it's like the the tequila's created a line and they're just fucking blitzing towards my head right now.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so I'm trying to fight through that real quick, but that's the point of the show.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: So um, but I would say, yeah, reading mine, um it would be very similar to what you had said earlier um about the the hope situation of it.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, however, I'd say mine, and maybe this is the the teenage you know email coming out and make it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely that.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: I already know it's whipping out.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's a healer, it makes me aggressive and sad.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say that it would be a little less hopeful, but in a hopeful way.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um let me try and explain that in that your life, you you very well potentially could hurt or damage or um you cause irreparable damage to the people around you and to yourself, and you could very potentially um never learn anything.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: You learn, but you can't go back.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um there's no going back.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so it would be the it would be maintaining that hope that tomorrow's going to be better, but doing it while living with an inescapable sort of regret or guilt.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a woeful, a woeful, hopeful story.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like you gotta keep trudging on, but you know, you're bleeding a little bit.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um and but you know, but you keep going.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that's where you're gonna find a lot of the uh the hope and light inside of my death novel.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's it ends before they actually talk about the the the the burgeon of burgeoning of that hope, right?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: The novel stops before they get to where it paid off.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you want.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a cliff here.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, no.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll just totally having weigh myself and I'll be in the back.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: That that bleeding at the end though, you know, that that uh that pain knowing that it's going to be uh light at the end.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh those I mean I know I'm going back to the whole book thing, but I I feel like that makes the best story.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um because it's at least for me, I really love like just I don't know, maybe it's like this weird, like I like the pain of the emotion, but I'm just I read the ones that have like the most intense middles and almost to the end, you don't know if it's gonna be happy at the end.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like that stuff is the most gripping to me.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: So your story might be a good book, so that's what I'm saying.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I mean, at least I'd have that.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it at the mine would sell more copies.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's got 50 shades of James hanging out there, and just sadness.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean, romance writers do make uh the most money, like they they're the ones who can consistently publish books and have like an actual uh like actual money.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like you get science fiction fantasy writers, and they're it's so hard to publish or get readers or even just maintain like you know, uh a living off of that.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you would make you'd be the professional author out of us.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so in in the afterlife, you have the book that uh sold the most, yeah, and then sent the most readers to have it.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: But if they had like our books next to each other, like you two would have these beautiful, like elegant, like like uh pristine pages where you know people have like some some very intelligent and thoughtful people have left notes in the margin, and mine just like torn to shreds, like all creased up in the shit.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because you found it all rolled up in a truck stop bathing over.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Those copies are getting wrapped up.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so uh Elizabeth, any final thoughts on the topic?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um for anyone listening, you know, hopefully you can take these and maybe make the ultimate book with the the smut and the hopefulness.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's apparently that's the ultimate book.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is my final thought.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Pain.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Pain, smut, and hopefulness.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm already getting hot caught.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um James, uh, final thoughts on your I think it's great.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I'm sure that's not what my book would read like.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm you know, honestly, I you probably could.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: You probably could write a smut book.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not cool with it.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that's true for a majority of people.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so too.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think our generation is also super cool about being sexually liberated, which is awesome.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: So uh so yeah, I think I I think that would be, you know, you can choose where your book ends.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're you could go on and continue to have a hopeful life, but choose to end your book before that before I reveal.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then you don't let them know that portion, that's great.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna cut out everything with meaning in my life and then make that book.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And focus on the when.
• 21:47
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: All right, all right, cool.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, my fault.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it it uh it's just kind of an interesting thought that if you I mean, unless you were like, no, I mean, it would just I think anyone's book, everyone on Earth's book is X rated.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's filthy.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's true.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is absolutely filthy, and I just hope.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: that our parents or uh siblings or things like that never read our book.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well it's only for the it's only for Anubis, you know it's it's only for us in this little this little group who get to read the books.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I would ask Anubis to pass out a copy of my book to every person who came through.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you have been taking people to hell too so why not?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's like yeah have have them read my book before you ask them about their book and see what this gonna happen.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want my book anymore.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome well I love the thoughts I love it good stuff and with that I think it's time to transfer into a fist fight.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Alright but before we do that yeah that was a good that was a good choice on your your theme of book I uh I tend to be the silly one around here I love it I love it seriously though like um uh if you do want to ever write smut there's a market there is a huge market like it will forever people are just horny little bums like that's what they are they're all horny and they all love sex so maybe I should be a writer smut like uh like and it would be like it would be like such chill work too like it doesn't even a lot of the very best sellers are very accessible which means they're not super complicated or or elegant and uh yeah I might I might be able to do that well no right like um a lot of people think that you need to write really eloquently to get published but honestly um and I I I love five dollar words you know they're they're great but that's not what sells all like because people don't understand those words sometimes like um yeah the the most like the accessible the most uh easy to understand with good stories will always get published first it's like a good and bad truth I think yeah no no I use I don't know if you're familiar with that I use pro writing aid and it'll track my reading level and there'll be times when we're like hey this is this is way too advanced you need to bring it down a little bit like damn like alright fine damn sick burn yeah stick burn so anyway so it's time to transfer into a fist fight but before we do that we gotta get a little more drunk a little more high a little more caffeinated oh hell and then I have to smoke like all day tomorrow oh of course so James the things I do for you people um this is all all this weed that I don't even want to smoke but I have to so here's called weed and alcohol and coffee that we don't want to drink but we do it anyway we do it for the fans and also to our fighters this week Velma and Slenderman cheers cheers we do it all for you it's interesting you're like drinking your uh you're drinking tequila right is that yeah that's what you said ah man I I can't drink tequila straight I I have to have it with the the salt and the lime it's yeah isn't it just disturbing how I'm sitting drinking it like water pretty disturbing yeah I'm a little disturbed yep that's the all the training I've had on this podcast so yeah so yeah so yeah folks out there again I do all my own stunts here um I do have to hang out at James's place for like the next hour and a half you can watch me eat the other half of the burrito I forgot to eat because I'm so high.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we got a great fight for you guys this week um and how we do it on high and dry it is the patented method for determining which of your favorite characters is going to beat the other one to death in this week it's Slender Man versus Velma.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see how that turns out.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we do it in a three-round method round one the characters enter into a Gen X style dive bar they go downstairs into the basement where Brad Pitt looks on and they get the fight on no shirt no shoes no belt and they just punch each other until one of them stops moving.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Round two goes into a city view where we've zoomed out and these characters have both received a manila envelope underneath their apartment doors for Slender Man is I don't know tree trunk.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's in a tree trunk shadow that where he's at right now he opens and he's like oh he's like I have no eyes he knows um and but now they have access to a city they have access to their abilities and they get to put their clothes back on and they go hunt each other down and that's how they do it.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then round three is the same thing except this time they get to bring a friend to get the job done.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let's start it off so we have just entered the high and dry fight club bar.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: We've been ushered downstairs Brad Pitt is giving out the rules as Velma is punching shadows in the corner slender man stretching out Cher's been led to her seat along with Carl Urban in the box office where the three of us are now sitting this is getting this is getting this is getting really convoluted there's a lot going on in the storyline we're will we're world building that's what high and dry is all about we're world building it's amazing um and uh so guests first these two fighters are looking each other down um you know Velma just bit her lower lip to make it bleed just to show that she means business who wins guests first Elizabeth what do you think is gonna happen in round one I'm I'm conflicted because I love Velma and I you know I cosplay as her and I I want to believe that she would be the best but uh I mean come on Slender Road is like you you hear a voice and you like turn around and he's like there and then you like turn away and then he's like closer when you turn back around like he would probably destroy her like at least in round one.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah no offense to Velma but she's not a weird bar she doesn't know yeah yeah for sure some basement she got trapped into yeah well I mean I mean she's probably seen Fight Club um probably you know she knows what like this I mean she's probably here like every Saturday night anyway.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: She's dated like like 10 people who idolized Fight Club okay okay okay and that's probably tragic suss out clues yeah yeah she's trying to figure it out all right um well James uh round one what are your thoughts um I think you know I I had thought about this from a different angle I'm trying to think of the way Elizabeth was thinking about it I I came at it from this angle I thought in in this arena Slender Man has nowhere to hide yes I see okay Slender Man has nowhere to hide she had just has 360 degrees around her no impediments they have to stay basically you know we we call it this fight club basement type deal at a bar but it it's really like a blank environment right it's a blank environment where they have no environment and Slender Man has nowhere to go.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Thelma can just keep spinning around looking all around her and she's smart she's smart enough to figure out a way to defeat him I think and also I think this is the one this is one of the areas where her power is the best where her power where it's just her and one other person and nothing else can interfere she has the power to pull the mask off the villain and it's an old white man she has that power is to pull the monster's mask off and it's actually an old white man who's who wants to protect his business of some sort from from someone else who wants justice of some kind that's the classic villain that's her power she got that power so is it possible that Velma has actually come up against real spirits like this is pre-Zombie island um and she knew they were spirits but she's also trying to topple the patriarchy so she's framing spirit activity on rich white men so she so it's actually her power to transform spirits into old white men so she so she I I hope this is real.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want this to be the real that's her power yeah she's like I can't solve shit but I can turn a ghost into Jeff Bezos so I guess the question is would Velma be able to beat up Jeff Bezos?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes I do believe she she she is she does a lot of physical activity well she's always she's always yeah um well I mean so that's for me um the potential power that Velma holds of turning ghosts into rich white men may be uh well it well it also may be conjecture at this point I mean this might be a theory that we've stumbled upon um so um so existing within the realms of what we know for a fact as far as a Velma goes um I I see I see this crazy ghost specter slicing the pieces personally okay well you you you can have your opinion and you can also change mind to confined space because I I can see the the reason behind um this being her full power because she can see like the entire room but I feel like she doesn't have anywhere to hide either so yeah it's almost just as bad.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you got you got a good point there and like I I can also all picture like a situation where Velma's squaring up against the Slender Man and it turns into that Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes situation where he knows how to fight because he's autistic he's not autistic well well actually I guess Sherlock Holmes the character may may have been autistic I'm pretty sure he was I thought that was like I thought he was autistic like before we had a word for it yeah yeah like the old original yeah yeah no I don't mean in any sort of derogatory mean but I don't know in the older stories like the very first story when they're like you know when the meeting happens with Sherlock Holmes um like he's a little bit different and they didn't really know anything about um autism back then.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: For sure in the the late 1800s yeah yeah I think they also talked about how he averted eye contact and stuff also to people averted eye contact and he he didn't touch a lot like he didn't uh he didn't uh hand give handshakes to people I think too or it's like something like that he did little small clues.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah no and and and Sartha Crohn Doyle he wrote a lot of that in there and there was people who were like that yeah you know and I think what we saw there was we saw an autistic detective before he had a word for it.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah that's possibility for sure um but so I see Slender Man and so Velma's like world slows down and she says he's his dominant hand is the right hand he's gonna come in for the right hook.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna block it and then he's gonna slice me to pieces with his left hand.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god and that's what I see happening.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: So um so Elizabeth I need your final thoughts and a vote who's gonna take it in round one yes uh I again I I like your theory I like your theory on the fact that that's where her power is but um I I think Slender Man might yeah he he would kill her at least in round one he would beat her up in round one uh but I have two we got two more rounds okay all right uh James final thoughts on a vote um uh I still think I still think Velma uh I still think that I think that Slender Man's ability comes from his ability to to like sneak up on people and I don't think he just I just don't think he has that opportunity to sneak um he's like he's he's not super fast he like he he's he's very slow moving but he teleports right or something like that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: He or or I don't know if he's incredibly fast but he doesn't show it he's not teleporting he's running he's he's running or he's Batmanning it you're suggesting that Slender Man runs from tree to tree.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Whenever someone looks at me he just pulls a bat memory sidesteps out of camera.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly um so and he's like hyperventilating behind a tree because he's gotta keep it his microphone on it's fine yeah you can't say I gotta keep scaring these kids I think Velmus power takes it I'm still sticking with it.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know we're gonna see how it goes.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Alright alright um and then so for me um yeah I just see because I mean at the end of the like like if this was shaggy alright if it was shaggy against Slender Man no question.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: No question Slenderman would tear him the pizza shaggy so damn high fuck I'm high I'm sorry um but I would say uh I'm I'm I'm still gonna have to go with Slenderman I yeah me too I think it's I think you're totally right and so uh Elizabeth so so you're aware um it may come up in the next round as soon as two of us vote one way the third person's opinion magically changes oh wow wow I never had another opinion yeah he he never thought any different he never thought any different different wow yeah and in a high dry we come at the audience one force so yeah it's alright cool so round one goes to Slender Man is we watched this poor woman torn apart by the Slender Man worst Scooby-Doo movie ever round two so we've entered into round two both of these characters now are I mean so this is this one's pretty easy because I mean Velma traditionally she goes wherever the bad guys are um and so it's gonna be pretty easy for them to to find each other um so these two characters are transported to a world that's you know similar and livable to both of them their worlds kind of collide into each other and the outskirts of an abandoned amusement park.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so on the outskirts of an amusement like some weird like an abandoned park or something yeah something like that um and Sonny and Cher are there um it's just outside of an old strip mine and uh so now um they've both received a manila envelope they know that they have the next 24 hours to kill the other one um almost like fucking finally again um and uh slender man's like oh god I can't read but he can get fitted for suits um so I don't know at least he has that yeah yeah um so uh so round two the the fight has just begun they've left their apartments andor mythical trees guests first Elizabeth who do you think is gonna take this one what happens so so what happens Velma she sees that she has to you know kill Slender Man um and she does this is her domain this right here I think is where she really conquers because now she has to solve a mystery because it's not just thrown in a room like she's not just in that room she has to you know track this person and not only track them but do some kind of crazy uh booby trap maneuver that ends up getting him trapped and then she pulls off the mask and becomes Jeff Bezos um that's and I think that's how she will and she will succeed because not only will she like you know find you know all these clues but she'll have cameras all around her head so she can track everywhere so he can never come up from behind her.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think okay all right interesting interesting uh James what do you think's gonna happen um I think that's a great point by Elizabeth I couldn't think about I couldn't while she was talking I couldn't think about my own opinion and this burrito at the same time oh I want that burrito so fucking bad just out of the corner of my eye yeah that's your reward for an episode well done what was the question again round two okay okay so we're in round two right all right so I I totally agree with Elizabeth that um that this is a mystery she has to solve it and I think that the problem with my theory in in the first round was that Slender Man wasn't restrained.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't consider that you both you both understood that intuitive I don't think anybody said that specifically is that her power only comes out when they're restrained or like incapacitated already um but that that was totally the problem with my first theory and I think in this one she gets it I think that Elizabeth was totally right.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: He he falls onto a minecart and then the minecart rolls it does a roller coaster loop for whatever reason into the abandoned amusement park.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah yeah and and the the producer's son's 60s band starts playing in the background um yeah and they sing something about Scooby and it's pretty groovy.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're right she she pulled him into her theme because her theme is so much her theme is so powerful Slender Man's theme is so generic but like the Scooby-doo theme is incredibly specific and powerful okay and and so for me um I'm I'm coming I'm actually gonna come from a similar place here.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: However I'm going to divert from Bezos um so and and we learned this today before we got into the interview with you we rag on Jeff Bezos so much on this podcast that when you google myself or the podcast you can click side images of Jeff Bezos here we are again Jeff we we see you um Lex Luther motherfucker but there's an Amazon drone just outside the window right now with his head warning you yeah he has that on a hologram hologram of his Lex Luther mother one day we'll be assassinated by Jeff Bezos or hit by a car because we forgave everyone who hit us by a car.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's right one of those two so one of those two so anyway um so I think that um so I I think especially in like uh Gen Z culture there there's a huge slender man following and culture um and a lot of people who and I'm so jealous too to have I would have loved to have written something that became an urban legend but what I think's gonna happen is that Velma's going to go after this urban legend capture him in a mind cart tie him up and pull off his mask and go Eric Cudson writer of Slender Man you're not an urban legend at all you're a short story and I see that's what happening I think that just because Slender Man was a short story for creepypasta that became an urban legend in the uh YA world I think that Velm was going to unmask that yeah and show yeah and show that hey this was actually a short story there is no Slender Man and then Jeff Bezos you're gonna see him like running away in the background perfect yeah that's what I think um so uh Elizabeth can I uh Elizabeth's there's two of you now um Elizabeth can you see some of my Instagram uh reels have two of me so it wasn't the tequila um so I need your final thoughts and a vote okay uh yeah Velma like we had all mentioned she overpowers Slenderman gets him in that mining part cart and he's unmasked she wins so hands down okay I think we're all in agreement yeah I think I'm ready to just bring that right to agreement so uh Velma unmasks um it's either Jeff Bezos or goodson whoever was behind the uh wanting to keep his stake in the copper mine um and that's the end of that um so now we transfer into round three it's the same thing as round two except now both of these characters get to bring a friend and oftentimes that'll really change the direction we're headed so um guests first Elizabeth who what do you think is gonna happen who's getting brought what do you think what what goes down um I think Velma brings Scooby Doo because she has Scooby snacks she was gonna give them to Slenderman to trick him but then Scooby came and was like hey
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: She does know how to effectively use Scooby Snacks.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: That is a great she knows how to direct Scooby as a weapon.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: With Scooby Snacks.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Truly.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's what she does.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's like this coward until he has Scooby Snacks and then he's just he's Superman.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then what about on the Slenderman side?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know on Slender Man.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe uh one of his like children that he's like killed and and is like mind controlling now and is gonna like because he needs someone who's on like her playing field.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: So because Velma's kind of she's a shorter one in the group, right?
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And she's you know, so maybe get someone who's like her height in the the young adult world, um, who's like an obsessive follower of Slaterman, but he he or she has been overtaken by Slenderman, you know.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: So like a cultist, he gets his cultist supporter.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well this brings up a very interesting point there because if Slenderman, because Scooby and Velma would never attack a child.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they'd get children of the corn if that's what's going down.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he you think he gets children of the child of the corn?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, child of the corn to turn it into a bird.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's an interesting I've been child of the corn.
• 45:35
  unknown: Yep, exactly.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all right.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well well there's an interesting okay.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, well we'll do it.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: What an interesting perspective.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: I hadn't thought that.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's a really good point, though.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: I do I I agree that Velma would bring Scooby as a weapon.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: He she would use him as a tool against Slender Man with by manipulating him with food.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's really what happened to the two of them.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so I think she would definitely do that.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: And oh, I can't think of anyone better.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: You had mentioned, Ryan had mentioned just off-handedly the Blair Witch before we started.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I think it might bring the Blair Witch.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that that was a good option to me, but I like a I like a human cultist or a human a human, what what do they call him?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Thrall.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like a thrall.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that a thrall is a great a great choice because thralls have in stories traditionally been used to stop the hero's advancement because they recognize the humanity of the thrall.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: That is totally a theme.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that uh I think that's a really good point.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think that if it's a child, I I don't think Velmar or Scooby would hurt him.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's totally a really good point.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well then from my side of it, what I had initially saw happening was Slenderman bringing the Blair Witch, because Slenderman is very obviously stolen from the Blair Witch.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and um so that's what I saw happening there originally.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if he brings children, that I think immediately is going to rip Scooby and Velma out of their world into a place that they can't defeat, and we basically watch um a woman and her great Dane be ripped apart.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um however, if Velma brings Shaggy.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, hold on a second.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Velma brings Shaggy, he's too wacky.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Shaggy's too powerful.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Umacky.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stop his theme.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: So Shaggy first is a deity of absurdism and weed without saying weed.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: They sure did weed without saying weed for like 60 fucking years, right?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how many guests can you have wearing bell bottoms?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think if she brings Shaggy, not only does Shaggy change the theme of just being completely out there, any follower of internet culture knows that Shaggy is also a Lovecraftian deity in his own right.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've missed this one.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Capable of blinking things out of existence.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: We both missed it.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: You're the only one.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're in too deep, man.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're in too deep.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: So um if you guys look into the memes of the live action one with uh Sarah Michelle Geller and all of them, uh there's there's a meme series of behind the scenes, and the other actors will talk about um it was really difficult filming the scenes with Shaggy because using 0.07% of his power, he caused me to go blind.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um or he like Shaggy was constantly just through his mere presence causing immaculate conception on the set.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: So so what we're saying is that is that Shaggy gets the power of memes also because of his absurdism.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: So he gets whatever powers are bestowed upon him by our by our impossible recollections of what Scooby-Doo actually was like.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you that's what I'm saying.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: If she brings Scooby, it's a bookstore owner and her dog getting ripped apart by Slender Man and Children.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: If she brings Shaggy, it is the world is totally bent.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Shaggy warps the world to his desires and goes zones.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say if we had to if we had to choose a if we had to switch it out, she could bring Freddy because he's a white male, and there and therefore he can also bend the world as well.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: So um I mean, not in a good way, I mean in a bad way.
• 50:14
  unknown: Exactly.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: It would destroy the child.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would have no problem killing a child.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Zero problem killing a child.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um can I make a dollar?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, and he wasn't harassed by police on the way to this thing.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're going too far into the weeds.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, so we've had a lot of interesting thoughts here.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: We have some options.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Elizabeth, round three.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: I need your final thoughts and a vote.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I really am I'm taken with your theory.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, if it's Scooby-Doo and her, they will fail.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it has to be Shaggy and Velma, and they will conquer.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it could be Velma and Fred as well, but I think Shaggy is just by your me like your theory, he's just the supreme being.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, nothing beats uh 60 stoner.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's what it is.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: The world bends around him.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah, yeah.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he wins.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: So Velma and uh Shaggy uh win.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, all right.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and James?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think Shaggy is too um too iconic and lovable to die.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh maybe not lovable, but like you almost pity him.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you almost pity Shaggy?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: He's like he's he's endearing in a pitiful way because he's so incompetent because he's so high all the time.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I just want to give him a hug now.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's his power, and he's too he that person can't die.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, but I think you even tapped into Matthew Lillard there.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the actor of Shaggy in the live action right there.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think the live action Shaggy, they made him a real piece of shit, didn't they?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't they make him like an asshole?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: They did a lot of weird things in that first one.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: That movie was just crazy.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Let's all go back.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so audience at home, that's your homework for next week.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna watch the live at the first live action Scooby-Doo.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, for me, luckily, my opinion didn't change at all because I was always gonna vote with you guys.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I would say, had she brought the dog, it would have turned she would have been too powerless not to enter Slender Man's theme.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: You think so?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: But by bringing because I mean all she did right there was set up a horror movie.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: But by latching on to Shaggy and bringing in the absurdism of her own theme, she just, you know, she would, you know, just wreck it.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, and but I what I see happening is like the whole time Slender Man is trying to thwart Shaggy, and he's just like, it's not working.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not working, but then there's that real super dark scene at the end where Velma's out of earshot and Shaggy like reveals himself for how vicious he actually is.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: Unhinges his jaw and swallows.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is now, yeah, this is now uh a Saw movie.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: He just devours crunch after crunch, and the children who came to watch Scooby 3 live action are too scenes.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: They have also been destroyed.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: So the fact that Shaggy and Velma won, it also destroys like everyone else that's in the vicinity because it's too.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, they're so powerful.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then they would have freed everyone from the spell of Slender Man.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, for sure.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so there you have it, folks.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: At home, this was a wild one.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but Velma defeats Slender Man two to one.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't lose the thread on that at once at all.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic, Madge.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: So um, Elizabeth, thank you so much for joining us.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: We had a fantastic time.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we hope you did too.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, where can we find you?
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so you can find me on Instagram, Elizabeth Suggs Author.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can also find me on my meetup if you want to actually be a writer and go to focus writing and be a nerd like me, or do critiques.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just uh the um Salt Lake City and Sandy Writers.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'll send you all these links.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you can also find my me on my website, editingme.com.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's editing M E E.com.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's two E's because it's uh it's uh my brothers and sisters' names.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and I had a great time too.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: This was uh this was this was hilarious and amazing.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Very unique.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: I've never had such a unique interview, and I love it.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, we're we're always filling out the next month's episode.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if you ever want to come back on and bring some tequila this time, we'd love to have you.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not tequila, maybe like a Moscow mule or something or some beer.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, I can't drink it straight like you, and I feel like I'd get all awkward with the salt.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll do a most important thing.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we're going for.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: That would be awesome.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's good material.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: We'll live stream that one.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she spelled salt in her again.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks again.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was awesome having you on.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, James, where can you find us?
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready this time.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: So you can find us at tell why you can't laugh.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: MSM.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: So you can find us at Hideand Dry Podcast on Instagram.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can find Ryan at uh Ryan Barron North on Instagram.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's probably not right.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, look the other way.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: What if I look the other way?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: You can find Ryan at Ryan.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: You can find Ryan at Ryan Barron North.com.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: You can find me on wait, no, I gotta do the podcast still.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you can find the podcast on Twitter at high and dry pod.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can find Ryan and I on Twitter at Baron underscore north at theDabOcle.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: You can find me on Twitch at the devil.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_02: And now we can we have the high and dry podcast Twitch.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna start doing live stream stuff.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: So come by, check us out, interact with us.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: And and don't forget the Patreon backslash high and dry podcast.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, we have so much now.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: So much for so out there.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus Christ.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come up, spend some money.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: We'll give you a shot, glass.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so again, Elizabeth, thank you.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: You were awesome.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are awesome too.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate it.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you all next week.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.