Latest / When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom / A VERY Short history of the killer of killers: Pedro Rodrigues Filho
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- 0:13Hey everybody, it's your country.
- 0:15My name is Brittany Ransom, and this is when Killers get caught,
- 0:18a podcast devoted to deep dives, into the lives, and psyche to
- 0:21the Killer's. We love to learn about and each
- 0:23week. Usually, I have Brian here with
- 0:26me and we find a True Crime Story that resonates with us,
- 0:29then we discuss one, well-known or lesser known killer and go
- 0:31deep into their childhood lives, methodology, and how they got
- 0:34caught and well, in most weeks we would have Brian here to talk
- 0:39about the Cryptids with the supernatural.
- 0:41But right now, now he is taking a bit of an extended Hiatus to
- 0:46deal with the loss of a loved one.
- 0:48I asked that nobody on social media reach out to him.
- 0:52During this time, he's asked that you give him some space.
- 0:56As for me, I also needed a little bit of a break which is
- 0:59why we've been gone for the last two weeks.
- 1:01Life is just off sometimes and I'll just leave it at that.
- 1:05But this week and True Crime I actually have I just saw the
- 1:11story on the news today. It only Couple days ago and a
- 1:14woman in Texas was just charged with sneaking into her school to
- 1:19pretend to be her daughter under the guise of a social
- 1:23experiment. And so it happened in El Paso
- 1:27County and she's 30 years old and she made a YouTube video
- 1:32about it and she like, put on a mask and a hoodie and walked
- 1:35around all day and she didn't get found out by the school
- 1:39until about 7th period. And I got got this from watching
- 1:44one of her subsequent videos and she pretty much just said, I
- 1:49think that you should all be kind of ashamed of yourselves
- 1:52because you didn't know I was here all day I went through
- 1:57homeroom and taking attendance and everything unfortunately the
- 2:02school didn't see it that way and they filed charges.
- 2:06There were two criminal warrants out for her, one for criminal,
- 2:09trespassing, and tampering with government documents.
- 2:12Then they also got her on a warrant for like, a parking
- 2:15ticket to they took her into custody.
- 2:17She recorded all of that and posted it on social media, too.
- 2:21She's saying that the school has an issue with security and with
- 2:28all these like school, shootings and things going on that they
- 2:33should do better. She said that there could have
- 2:36metal detectors or some form of like ID cards or something, and
- 2:40she's not entirely wrong. I just think she might have Have
- 2:42gone about it in a way that's kind of adds some criminality to
- 2:46her record. It's definitely interesting.
- 2:49It's an ongoing thing like this just happened a couple days ago
- 2:53that she was arrested in El Paso, Texas.
- 2:56But the video is actually on YouTube still and it's called
- 2:59going to school as my 13 year old daughter, middle school
- 3:03edition. It happened on June 1st So yeah
- 3:07that's kind of the one thing that's kind of popped up.
- 3:09Oh yeah her bond was 47 thousand nine hundred dollars which I
- 3:13find to be like a very random trivial amount of like where's
- 3:17that number come from. But either way, that was my
- 3:24crime story for the week and we'll see if I continue doing
- 3:27these while I'm on my own. Or if I, you know, someone
- 3:31reaches out and wants to maybe do a hosting situation for the
- 3:34next couple weeks or co-host with me, But jumping back into
- 3:39things. I use my break to look into a
- 3:42serial killer, whose fans refer to him as the Brazilian?
- 3:47Dexter killer PD padrino Matador and for those who don't know,
- 3:54Dexter being the fictional serial, killer who grows up to
- 3:58kill other serial killers after his father, teaches him a more
- 4:02ethical way to deal with his urges.
- 4:07And I first read about Pedro, Rodriguez Philo, when I bought
- 4:13the big book of serial killers by Jack Rosewood, and he's also
- 4:17one of the three killers profiled in the book.
- 4:19Psycho.com by Eileen, Ormsby about serial killers and have
- 4:24gone viral in the Modern Age of digital media.
- 4:30And I'm going to get to that point because he has a YouTube
- 4:35channel and that's all I'm gonna say about it right now.
- 4:39But like I do every episode. Let's start with talking about
- 4:42the boy who became padrino Matador.
- 4:45He was born. June 17 1954 on a farm and sent
- 4:49Arena do so pukka which is in the state of Minas.
- 4:53Karai Brazil. He was actually born with a
- 4:56damaged skull due to his father abused His mother while she was
- 5:01pregnant, and dad was just overall very an abusive person
- 5:07and also abused him when he was a kid as well.
- 5:11Very all early on Pedro learned that most situations could be
- 5:17handled quickly with violence. Something you definitely don't
- 5:20want like a preteen to really be solid on.
- 5:25But in the interview he did with Marcela rezende, he claimed that
- 5:31he first felt the compulsion to kill someone when he was about
- 5:3413 years old and he tried to kill his older cousin by pushing
- 5:39him into a sugar cane, press on the Family Farm, the cousin did
- 5:44not die and there hasn't been any way to really substantiate
- 5:48these claims that he makes him. Some of these interviews I'm
- 5:50going to be referencing a lot of them today.
- 5:53Some of them are interviews that he's posted on his own channel
- 5:57on YouTube. To get as many as I could
- 6:02essentially transcripts in English, but I didn't get to
- 6:05watch all of them, but there's not a lot of ways to
- 6:08substantiate some of these claims of things that happen.
- 6:13Because as we know like serial killers like to make themselves
- 6:17seem more important than they are so who knows, maybe he's
- 6:21being really honest. Maybe he's not however, what we
- 6:24do know and can verify is that in 1968 when he was 14 years old
- 6:30that's when he first killed somebody and the story's a
- 6:33little bit wild. So Pedro's father the father who
- 6:37abused him but he still felt some serious loyalty to God
- 6:42accused And of stealing from his job and dad was a security guard
- 6:46at a local high school and food went missing in the cafeteria
- 6:51kitchen area. His father, lost his job over
- 6:55this. And Pedro was just kind of full
- 6:58of this Fury about the situation and He said it was unfair and
- 7:06the person who fired his dad was the deputy mayor of Santa Rita
- 7:11desuka and not only did he kill the deputy mayor, but he did it
- 7:16in front of city hall with a shot gun that belonged to his
- 7:19grandfather. Then a month later, he Tracked
- 7:23Down the actual security guard who had stolen all the food and
- 7:27shot him too. And so at 14 year old
- 7:30fourteen-years-old, this kid is a total.
- 7:34I mean, he's a murderer on the run.
- 7:37And so, he ends up down in an area called Haggadah Cruces and
- 7:44greater São. Paulo, and he's just down there,
- 7:47trying to avoid the police. He does find a nice place to
- 7:50hang out and discovers that the local drug dealers are kind of
- 7:54annoying to him. So he kills them and he sort of
- 7:59found this weird home down and São Paulo where He was making
- 8:05money, robbing drug traffickers getting information from them.
- 8:09And then murdering the drug dealers.
- 8:11They were working for he set up shop there and he met a woman
- 8:16named Maria Olympia and the to even got engaged.
- 8:20They were going to have a baby, I called her, but Tina, and they
- 8:25lived happily for a little while taking on the job of drug
- 8:29dealers that he dispatched and then killing some of those drug
- 8:32dealers. Vowels.
- 8:35I don't think it's that. I think anyone listening
- 8:38probably understands that these kind of lifestyles are just not
- 8:42sustainable. And as it just goes with this,
- 8:46when you are someone who is making a lot of money doing an
- 8:49illicit job, there's other people who want that and they're
- 8:52willing to kill for it too. So a rival gang leader, attacked
- 8:57their home and killed Bettina, and Pedro's unborn child.
- 9:04It wasn't actually on the entire family but Pedro was able to
- 9:08escape unlike last time though he had no intention of leaving
- 9:12so Paolo. Instead he began recruiting
- 9:16soldiers for his own little army and he set up a new business.
- 9:23He was hell-bent on Revenge and so he began picking up
- 9:28lower-tier gang members from different gangs and torturing
- 9:32them for information. In about their bosses before
- 9:36killing them because he was just trying to figure out which gang
- 9:40had been the one to attack his family.
- 9:43Then when he finally did find that man, he didn't wait at all.
- 9:50The Rival leader, who killed Bettina was at a wedding.
- 9:55With some of the other gang members that were part of his
- 9:57gang and Pedro and his group opened fire on the wedding.
- 10:04Not only killing that gang leader, but seven more of the
- 10:08gang members and wounding 16 others as punishment.
- 10:13They were all listed as being part of the gang or gang
- 10:19Affiliates, but I kind of wonder if that's Him discussing like
- 10:25him saying like oh you're the wife of a gang member whatever
- 10:28you're Affiliated. I couldn't find any clear
- 10:32Distinction on that event because most of the reporting
- 10:35about Pedro fellow is that from when he really got busy killing
- 10:42people in jail. So I think that's an interesting
- 10:45thought process but it just said that there were 16 other wounded
- 10:49people and that it's assumed that they were also gang members
- 10:51or gang affiliated Now, I just listed all of these.
- 10:56Right, we're talking about Deputy Mayor security guard six
- 11:00or seven gang members. The man who killed his fiancee,
- 11:04seven wedding guests. So, Pedro doesn't even fit 18
- 11:08years old and he is killed 15 people.
- 11:14He continues to live in Sao Paulo unbothered for a little
- 11:20bit, maybe like a year, or so. And then in 1973, he's 19 years
- 11:26old and he gets word that his mother has been murdered and the
- 11:32person who did it is his father and that his father killed, his
- 11:36mother with a machete and he was back in jail, he was in jail
- 11:40back in Santa Rita. So according to that interview
- 11:45with Marcelo rezende, Pedro says, he went to visit his
- 11:49father in the city jail and he had a machete on him.
- 11:53And he stabbed his father 22 times ripped out.
- 11:57His heart, bit off a piece of it, and spit it in his face
- 12:02because of that situation. When I spent my time researching
- 12:06Pedro, he comes up as a sometimes, Cannibal and I saw
- 12:12some Some people say that he ate a piece of his heart but in
- 12:16several different books that I was reading through, it seems
- 12:18like he didn't actually eat the heart so he's just a murderer,
- 12:23not a cannibal, good thing to think about.
- 12:28The police couldn't catch him. And this kind of Was the The
- 12:33Benchmark of him. Avenging, the pain of others,
- 12:38and he really started fixating on murdering criminals.
- 12:41After this, he started like whenever you would see, would
- 12:45see crimes on the news or in papers, he would then look that
- 12:49person up, and it's really important to give some context
- 12:53here. Brazil has a issue with
- 12:56homicides, just like America does.
- 12:58But the situation is that only 40% Of murders in America.
- 13:04Don't go solved actually, I think it's backwards 60%.
- 13:07Don't go solved in America, but 10% go unsolved in Brazil.
- 13:15So there are a lot of people who get charged for crimes or you
- 13:19know, they managed to get off or they never get caught and so
- 13:23when Pedro saw these things in the paper or the news he decided
- 13:27he was going to take it into his own hands and so he would search
- 13:30like their names and Find out their addresses and then he
- 13:34would stop by for a visit. Some of the people he killed
- 13:38during this time period before he would actually get officially
- 13:40arrested were the adult man. Who impregnated his teen cousin?
- 13:45He shot that man with a shotgun, his preferred method of killing
- 13:50was bleeds. But if he was feeling
- 13:52particularly spicy, he would use the method that the criminal had
- 13:57used to, then torture and kill that person.
- 14:00Kind of like a bit of horrific car.
- 14:02I just before they died several different Portuguese newspapers
- 14:07confirmed that there were an additional 11 killings of
- 14:10unarmed people before he would get arrested on May 24th 1973.
- 14:16Then from that 73 to 2003, is when things really kind of
- 14:21heated up, he started targeting other murderers.
- 14:26And people within this prison system, he killed Francisco Dia
- 14:31CCP. Una de who was a serial killer
- 14:34and a rapist. He attacked, July, acacio,
- 14:37Dacosta, who was a serial killer, and robber, and nearly
- 14:40bludgeoned, that man to death, but Dacosta survived police
- 14:45reported. That there was even a time that
- 14:47they were transporting, Pedro with another prisoner.
- 14:51And both of the men were like handcuffed to like the chairs as
- 14:55you do and these sort of vehicles, and when they got to
- 14:59the next location, they opened the back of the van.
- 15:02An and the other man was dead and Pedro simply told them like
- 15:06he was a rapist. So I killed him.
- 15:12He attempted to kill has many Ramos who was a bank robber,
- 15:16make bank robber and murderer, but he got stopped by the
- 15:20guards. He decapitated another and me,
- 15:23he killed two of his cellmates and those didn't really fit his
- 15:26pattern of attack because those were men who severely annoyed
- 15:33him. Another story that I read in a
- 15:38paper, he got jumped by five other inmates and he killed
- 15:43three of those men and two of them ran away in total.
- 15:48There are 40 more people. He killed while he was in
- 15:52prison. He killed more people while he
- 15:54was in prison, then before he got there.
- 15:57And so his original sentencing, when he went into jail in 1973
- 16:01was 126 years, but over the next few decades, Decades, he added
- 16:05another 250 years to his sentence.
- 16:09Pedro, still claims to this day that he's killed over 100
- 16:13people. But the official confirmed kill
- 16:16count is 71. It's interesting because part of
- 16:21the gig that I do for this podcast is a lot of research and
- 16:25I have read easily a dozen or more different people's opinion
- 16:31of Pedro, Soho and some people call him a vigilante But lanica
- 16:37Soy criminology expert, who wrote a book about murderers and
- 16:43Brazil, referred to Pedro as an Avenger who killed those who he
- 16:50believed had harmed others. The problem with that though is
- 16:54that many of the prisoners, he killed in prison hadn't actually
- 16:58been sentenced, some of them were only accused and when
- 17:03people did a bit of a Statistical analysis of murders,
- 17:08versus actual, you know, convicted murderers.
- 17:11Only 36 percent of Pedro, fill hose victims were ever found
- 17:16guilty of any crimes, like I said before, he killed two of
- 17:20his cellmates. One of them was because he said
- 17:22he didn't like the guy's face. So his code of ethics was very
- 17:27rigid but also bizarre and a little flexible depending on how
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- 18:29Thank that he does fit the, the modern thought process of
- 18:34Dexter, you know, Pedro had this murderous desire in him and
- 18:38maybe he just found a way to rationally, expel.
- 18:42Those feelings by choosing other people that were kind of like
- 18:45him. So, I did mention to you that
- 18:50he's still alive and he was given nearly 400 years in
- 18:54prison, but he's not in prison anymore. so, In Brazil, there is
- 19:01a law that says that no one can spend more than life in prison
- 19:06and just like in America life in prison is about 30 years.
- 19:11And so the law in Brazil says that You essentially, it doesn't
- 19:17matter what the severity of your crime is 30 years is the, the
- 19:23max sentence for anyone crime. And so maybe this was a mistake
- 19:29on the part of the court system in charging him for all of his
- 19:36crimes before. Well then again, hmm.
- 19:40See if this was America, what they would have done is hold off
- 19:44for a couple of crimes and then when he got out charged him with
- 19:47the other murders so that it didn't fall under a double
- 19:50jeopardy Clause but regardless it become its 2003.
- 19:55He's hit the 30 year mark So now there's this huge dispute over.
- 20:01Do we release this man who is being referred to as the perfect
- 20:05psychopath? The problem is he got diagnosed
- 20:08with multiple things while he was in prison.
- 20:10He was diagnosed with psychopathy but also as a
- 20:13sociopath And so there was a law passed in Brazil.
- 20:17In 1934, the anyone who was a psychopath could be detained
- 20:21indefinitely, if you were at a treatment facility that got
- 20:27repealed November 8th 1990, but a lot of people didn't
- 20:31appreciate that. After a few years of them,
- 20:35debating, if Pedro was rehabilitated, they released him
- 20:40in 2007, a he'd spent 42 years in prison.
- 20:44More years of his adult life were spent in prison, then as a
- 20:49free man and he was ready for the second phase of his life,
- 20:55becoming a viral YouTube Star. But before I get there and how
- 21:02that even happened, I have to explain what life was kind of
- 21:05like, for him on release, like I said, he'd been in prison for
- 21:08the majority of his life. He didn't really understand much
- 21:12of the modern world, he didn't. I mean, he had no understanding
- 21:16of what a cell phone was when he got out to even get home.
- 21:22He had to ask strangers for help to figure out the train system
- 21:27subway system. He was famous and he didn't even
- 21:32realize it. Loads of different media.
- 21:35People podcasters, other people all beating down his door for
- 21:39interviews and he could just walk somewhere and people would
- 21:44take his picture. That's a lot to get used to even
- 21:48if you're just a civilian and especially hard when you've been
- 21:51in prison and now you just want a little bit of Peace.
- 21:55One thing that I guess is nice, though is he did find love while
- 21:58he was in prison. He had been exchanging letters
- 22:01with a woman who was also a prisoner.
- 22:04She had been imprisoned for burglary for 12 years and when
- 22:08she was released she'd visit him once.
- 22:11Pedro was released the two of them moved in together.
- 22:16She has no desire to be a part of his public life so she is
- 22:19only listed as a unidentified woman who he's dating and he's
- 22:24expressed in several interviews. All he wants.
- 22:26Now is just to try and live a good and honest life.
- 22:31But a lot of the citizens in Brazil feel that it's unfair
- 22:36that he had such a short sentence, in their opinion, what
- 22:41they say is that Pedro had a chance to have like an attorney.
- 22:46He got to go to trial. None of Pedro, fill hose
- 22:51victims. Got to go to trial.
- 22:54They didn't get their day in court, because he exercised that
- 22:57right. And in one of the interviews
- 23:03that I got transcribed, he told another podcaster and Brazil
- 23:10that he doesn't regret killing people who harmed other people,
- 23:15but he does regret being a criminal at all.
- 23:18So I think that's a very interesting thing to say like,
- 23:25You regret, you don't regret murdering bad people because
- 23:29they were bad in your eyes but you regret ever getting involved
- 23:32in the criminal life at all. So, that's another interesting
- 23:35one. There were a couple years of
- 23:39peace and quiet, and then he got arrested again in 2011 for
- 23:45participating in, not one, but six, different riots that
- 23:51involved him and several other people.
- 23:55A security guard from a prison who have been involved in.
- 24:03Illegal activities in the prison.
- 24:05Some of those illegal activities involved, harming, prisoners for
- 24:09that. He was given a seven-year
- 24:11sentence and he went back into prison and was released in 2018.
- 24:15So like he's sort of stayed out of trouble.
- 24:18But not quite. I, it's hard because I totally
- 24:21identify with wanting to do a prison riot and hurt the people
- 24:27who are hurting people, but regardless I think Brazil was
- 24:31like really dude. Really.
- 24:35So he gets out in 2018, right? That's also when he starts
- 24:38making YouTube videos with a friend of his who had known for
- 24:40a long time named Pablo Sylvia. Now, at this point, like today,
- 24:462021, Pedro has appeared on many different Brazilian podcasts.
- 24:51He's on video, he's on videos on Pablo.
- 24:54Sylvia's Channel, he has his own channel, he's done other TV
- 25:00interviews, Pablo Oh, Sylvia produces most of the videos that
- 25:06he puts up on YouTube. And the idea behind these videos
- 25:09is that he comments on the crimes and Brazil.
- 25:12And like I said before, there's a lot for him to comment on
- 25:15because only 10% of all murders. Get solved in Brazil.
- 25:22I'm Pedro see still feel like he's doing some good giving
- 25:27Brazilian citizens and enter a look into the mind of a killer
- 25:31as well as seeing Pedro's opinion on the psychological
- 25:36motivations of the people accused of these crimes.
- 25:40As of January has YouTube channel had over 20,000
- 25:44followers and about 2.5 million likes so he's doing pretty good
- 25:51Pablo. Who chooses the Articles at
- 25:53Pedro comments on and apparently they also go to church together.
- 25:58He's also been approached to make a film about his life, as
- 26:02well as a book. The filmmaker is named Bruno
- 26:07Santana. And I guess the idea behind the
- 26:10movie is that they're going to take Pedro to different
- 26:14locations, where some of these crimes happened and have him
- 26:18recount these moments and the ER says that it's going to be
- 26:23exciting and amazing and you know you're going to learn new
- 26:27details, you never heard of before.
- 26:32Pablo Sylvia is also helping him prepare the biography.
- 26:36And it's really interesting because everyone who's working
- 26:39on these projects with Pedro. Phyllis say that he's this
- 26:42really kind man. He treats, everyone.
- 26:44Well, he has friendships with the different staff and their
- 26:47families. Just a very strong juxtaposition
- 26:52from a man who also will admit in the same interview.
- 26:56Yeah, no. I definitely enjoyed killing and
- 26:59killed, 100 people. One thing that I will say, and I
- 27:05guess I'll leave you with the end of this story.
- 27:07Is it what it seems like is that he wants to just kind of
- 27:14disappear? He said he wants to live in a
- 27:18small farm in the middle of the Woods.
- 27:22And he's looking to reach some kind of inner, peace and
- 27:26happiness, but one thing he is experiencing that is hat and
- 27:30made him. Happy is that through YouTube.
- 27:32He's kind of stopped being this Boogeyman, you know, killer PD.
- 27:36But during a matador, when people see him now, they just
- 27:41go. Hi, mr.
- 27:42Pedro, and for a couple of minutes he gets to feel like a
- 27:45regular person and not like the animal in a cage who was being
- 27:50viewed by the masses. Overall, it's just a very
- 27:54peculiar little story. I don't entirely know how to
- 28:00feel about it. I On one hand, I definitely like
- 28:05the idea of a serial killer that kills other Killers.
- 28:09That's why I like the TV show Dexter at least for the first
- 28:12several seasons but Knowing what we know now that he had this
- 28:20very flexible and ever-changing moral compass, I don't know if I
- 28:27feel a sympathetic to him as I did.
- 28:29When I first started looking into this you know I mean one
- 28:34thing by saying that you know you murdered a man because you
- 28:38spied on him having a conjugal visit that was one of his
- 28:41cellmates and then you murdered another one of his cellmates for
- 28:45looking weird. Weird like those don't really
- 28:48fall into the avenging. Angel stereotype.
- 28:52But, uh, that's kind of all I have for you this first week, I
- 28:56will have more next week as I do, some more research into a
- 29:02different serial killer. And like I said, I'm putting out
- 29:05the call for Anybody who'd like to guest host, I have a couple
- 29:10of weeks and just send me an email and we'll see what we can
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- 29:38Who listened all the way? I'm sorry.
- 29:40This episode is so short and I'll be ready for you next week.
- 29:46Good night.