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Trade Show Stories & How We Became Full Time Magicians · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. Magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. One more yo. It's Josh here.
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Josh Nolbedo checking in for episode 269.
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Nice. Of the Magic Guys. To my left, we've got Nicholas Aurelius.
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Hi, I'm Nicholas K.
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Welcome to the Magic Guys. Doug is in the house.
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He is just currently tied up in the shop at Trick Supply, but he'll be joining us shortly.
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And of course, you guys are joining us here. We can see the chat lighting up.
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We see Tim Askin in the house. We see Scotty Lincoln there.
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As you know, we do this live, unrehearsed and most times unprepared.
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So, you know, gather around, get around it, fellas. Ask questions and fire off.
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First question I have for you, Navido.
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Yes. How you been, buddy?
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Right we were just as we were saying off air we've been busy like different things,
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this is the first week like as i mean it's so
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first of all as a magician nick brought
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a good point he's like isn't it great that we're so busy and it
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is it honestly is but like this is
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the first week i'm like letting my body just heal from
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like being so busy like i have a nose pimple i never get a nose pimple because
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i take care of myself i didn't want to say anything but you look part rhino
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right now that is oh guys if you're not watching this on youtube you gotta see
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it it is like finally my face has a little color in it but it's my nose that's got the color and,
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you know i'm wearing an orange shirt because i just did this trade show with
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the whole company's logo is orange so now i own some orange paraphernalia as
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well as like an orange sharpie and you know all the things we spend our money
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on at office works to be tax deductible but to use in.
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At our gigs and yeah this yes and yeah so this week i'm just like let me sit
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back relax and oh nope yep nope
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but we're doing the podcast rudolph yeah runoff the red-nosed magician.
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Yeah so buddy you you have been busy and you tell the folks about this trade
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show you did if you guys weren't aware there was some a lot of folks don't actually
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have a lot of experience doing that and trade shows in truth aren't things that
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happen all too common here in australia in the states i see my buddies doing
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them all the time but here not so much so what was that like for you bud,
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Yeah, look, I'll keep it real with everyone listening. It's my first time doing,
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not the first time doing a trade show, but it's the first time doing the full
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three days of a trade show.
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Like I've been brought in for the opening drinks night or like the main day or whatever.
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And you're sort of the activation of the stand.
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Nick and I've done these throughout the years.
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And normally for me, it's like, okay, it's like four hours of just power.
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Like, all right, let's do magic, bring people to the stand.
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Great. But this is the first time I was actually a part of the staff of the
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company, dressed like them, like learning enough about the products to be able
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to ramble off a few things to pass on to the sales reps.
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And I'm doing magic for three days straight.
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Now, the benefits of this is, what do they call it? Money!
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You get so much money! No, it's like the most I've made in a three-day period that's not a weekend.
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So like one beautiful thing about trade shows is they often happen during the week.
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So it was wonderful to have work on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. That was excellent.
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But there's a weird thing that
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happens when you're doing magic for eight hours a day, like on and off.
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Like your body is physically tired.
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Yet you're still trying to amaze people and I've never been in that position
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before I've always been full of energy because it's like a three hour gig or
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one hour gig or whatever but eight hours like really pushes it and you're like having to stop to.
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Rehydrate and like you want to eat but if you eat too much you're going to get
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tired from the eating and so you're really trying to like pace yourself for
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this whole period of time not to mention you,
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You want the people that are at the company you're representing,
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because there's like four other staff there as well.
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You don't want them to get sick of you hearing your same exact magic patter for eight hours.
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So I'm also trying to mix it up for them a little bit and bring them in on it and sort of have fun.
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But at the end of the day, the dynamic was people would walk by,
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I would do something magical to stop them.
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Explain I'm the magician for this software company, throw a little tagline in
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there so they it's funny that I'm trying to be a software guy but I'm a magician
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do close-up magic for them then pass them on to the software team and they find
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out if they can actually do business together because everyone there at this,
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Expo is a business owner, so they're all there.
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Everyone knows why they're there to sort of look at all the vendors,
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see if anyone's going to help them with their business.
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So it was just like rinse and repeat. It was like, stop people in their tracks,
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bring them over, do magic.
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So it was very much casual. It wasn't, here's a big show every half an hour
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where you have everyone crowded around.
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That only happened a few times when they would break off into networking drinks at the end of the day.
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But during the day, it's very much like it almost had a busking feel to it.
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And I just developed all these little tricks that I realized would catch people's
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attention, like pretending like people were going to step on something and I
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go, oh, wait, wait, wait, let me get that.
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And you just stomp your foot and pick up a playing card and show them.
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Okay, now you're good to go. Unless you want to see a country.
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And then you go into it that way so i recommend
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it it is tiring it's not
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something i could do every week which is
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interesting even though it's great like monetary
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wise it's like a lot of work and so
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all in all yeah from that now i have like a couple
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orange shirts and this knowledge
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of what it was like to do it for three days so i will do
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more but definitely like my maximum would
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be like one a month i reckon of a three-day thing
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how the guys do it in vegas where they have all the
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biggest traders in the world i have no effing idea but
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it's fun it is fun makes you feel important and
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like you're doing it for more than just entertaining people
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there is a cool having a background in sales it
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is fun doing magic for the purpose of trying to get
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some kind of transaction whether it's just a connection with the
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software company and these business owners you know it's kind of fun to have
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like this payoff you're trying to get to so i think i think off the back of
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that one of the things i've always enjoyed about doing trade shows is that you
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get to do this level of customization with your routine like in typically you're
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not always there just doing like.
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Just your normal roving set you are basically trying
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to use your magic as a bit of a message to either
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hook them in and generate a lead what
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happens a lot of these these sorts of events is everyone has like
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a lanyard around their neck and ultimately if
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you get an opportunity to scan that lanyard around their neck it
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just means that post convention post
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trade show that now goes into a list which
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allows your client that's
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hired you for for that event to then reach out to those particular people
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so like crowd builds is it very it
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is 100 just like a street show and running people up
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and i used to choreograph that quite a lot said look i mean this part
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of the routine you all need to start standing behind me because at
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the end of the show like you need to then come forward and
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greet every single person and thank them for being there and ask
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if you can be of any service to them and just hand out your business cards or ask
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if you can like ask just ask them what they do but they're here
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now and all you gotta do is say hello my name is this tell me
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about yourself but i will build you an audience and do that
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and they will know a lot about the product in the meantime as well and so
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i used to choreograph that like really really well and generate tons of
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leads which is is your job it's.
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Not always about the conversion like you're not you're not getting paid a commission to
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be there but if your job is to one generate
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leads for the client for your client and for two
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generate awareness of their
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product that is so important because everyone
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else is walking past stands and they're seeing words like oh jubicon i don't
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know what that is i'm going to keep walking but if jubicon had josh nabito there
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doing some trade magic they'd be like oh this got my attention and in nabito's
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magic he's telling what they do then all of a sudden he's created awareness as well so.
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That's one of the pro tips I have to give you guys regarding trade shows.
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Do you think there's anything else you want to share off the back of that?
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Yeah, no. I mean, magic is such a great hack to stopping people at a trade show.
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And if you've never been to a trade show and you're a magician and you don't
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know what we're really talking about, you should go to one.
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Find a convention center near you and go check it out and you'll see like the craziness.
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And the thing is, companies pay so much money to be at this exhibition.
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And there were so many bad activations that
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were just meant they were going to get very little
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return for them for them being there so yeah magic
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i i feel like and a lot of people said magic was
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like one of the best things they'd seen at the stand
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out of like these you know 100 plus different stands
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but there were things like someone had a popcorn stand
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so they've given away packs of popcorn that made people want
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to line up to get the popcorn therefore see the company there was
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a stand that had set up santa and like
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a christmas photo like a like a full-on christmas photo
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experience they even had a dwarf working there
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who was a part of the company and he's actually an actor and he was fully in
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on it he's like let's effing go that did really well and you know lots of like
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uh skill test games and so everyone's trying to do something to to stop people
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but magic works so well and i was the only magician out of every single stand and.
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And so it is a lot of work that's worth looking into
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if you haven't and i think the easiest way honestly because i noticed like and
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you probably noticed this too nick how often are you at a trade show doing magic
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and like the other expo exhibitors come past and they're like oh my god but
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magic is such a great idea at a trade joke.
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Like people just don't even think about it or know what it would look like,
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So my experience tells me that, okay, if you're in an area, you do no trade
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show work, but you want to, I would attend one, look for a stand that,
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is not getting any attention or really you
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can tell puts money into their activations maybe talk to
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all of them and introduce yourself and literally that would be how
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you get to do the next one with them or even
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join in for a day and be like hey let's just let me
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work with you for an hour and then you'll know what it's like in
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fact if i could say off the back that if you if you if you wanted to try and
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do something that will almost guarantee you a generate a decent lead is that
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if you are in your state and there is an opportunity to do something like a
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venue is holding a type of like.
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Like, I forget what the word is, but it's not quite a trade show,
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but it's a type of thing where like, oh, all these people come to this particular
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venue that holds weddings and so forth. Right. And all the suppliers are there.
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And you ask, could I be, can I pay for a spot and put up my stand and be a supplier there?
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It's just an opportunity for you to then get that attention,
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explain what you do, and then really sell them the image of what you offer on the day.
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And you tell them like, okay, so my job, and I say like, so what you've,
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what you guys have in the best day of your lives, and you've said your vows,
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and you're going to go off in this beautiful winery and go take some photographs.
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Your guests are sitting around for the next hour and a half, bored as hell.
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And all they want to do is go inside out of the sun so they can enjoy the hors
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d'oeuvres and enjoy their entrees. This is where I get to shine.
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And I get to do this, this this this this and they
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go that sounds really lovely and go and if you need an mc i
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can also do that and if you want to stick around a little bit afterwards and and
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then you just start like later like layering it on with
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a multi-level sort of cell it's like you've sold them the corolla but do you
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want leather seats do you want a turbo do you want spoiler do you want some
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fancy wheels do you want security camera system inside your car like it's about
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layering it up from there but there's nothing dishonest about this sales practice
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it's just the best way that you can offer you service and it's up to them to take it.
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Yeah. And so, yeah, that's when we go down the wedding magic route.
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Yeah well yeah but there's actually like supplier days
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that this can happen so it's kind of like doing a trade show but you're representing yourself
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and it's probably easier doing it
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for the first time it's easier to represent yourself than as a
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like depending on how many years you've been doing this like we've been
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doing this for a near 20 years so it's easy for us
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to customize and create stuff and you know like if
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some if visa called us today we'd be like great i'm gonna go get paul
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fowler's thing with the credit cards and do some credit card
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stuff with people like boom problem solved i'm gonna do yeah like a card to
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wallet but i'm gonna use their credit cards and manage the credit cards i have
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to go inside the wallet and talk about like theft and talk about security aspects
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and you know like there's ways that you can talk about their message and then
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use the medium of magic to portray that and just to,
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sell what you got to sell or say what you need to say to represent the company.
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And if I use the example of the trade show I was just at, Tim Askin was asking
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what type of trade show was it?
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So this was one where any kind of business owner, if you run a business yourself,
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small, medium, large, you would go to this expo I was at.
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It was called Retail Fest. So it was particularly for people selling in retail.
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And just every company was there that can assist with that.
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So, for example, PayPal had their own exhibition stand, their own trade show stand, you know.
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Culture kings the owners of culture kings were like speakers at
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this event they had tons of speakers that people would talk about
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you know moving into the ai world and all
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this kind of stuff and so the company i
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worked for sold software that automates the
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tax implications when you sell stuff to america for example because every state
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has a different tax bracket tax code all this stuff so this software basically
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you plug into your store like on shopify or whatever and it automatically calculates
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and charges and collects the right amount of tax
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so that you don't get screwed at the end when you do your tax.
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And you're like, oh my God, I've sold to 50 different countries and they all
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require different tax things.
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So it's just a software that lets you not have to think about it,
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which is kind of cool. So for me, I'm like, great, I'll do a card trick.
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Let's just take ambitious card, for example.
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So I say, look, you put your card into the deck and just like Avalara automating
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your tax, I can automate this card to the top of the deck with no movement.
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You don't have to think about it. You know, and you can play on all of that kind of tongue in cheek.
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And then, you know, another example would be doing Rubik's Cube magic.
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And you're like, watch, just like Avalara can automate your tax.
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I can, no, sorry, sorry. That's, I just said that just like Avalara can take away the.
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Complications of tax i can take out the complications
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of this rubis cube it just like tiny
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things like that people laugh and like oh that's very clever that you
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would tie them together but essentially it's just
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like brain awareness and then you pass it on to the the
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software guys and they scan the tag and there's always
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a way to weave whatever routine
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you already do to whatever like to some
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part of their philosophy of the company um i'm
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not remembering it right now but there is a really good magician that put out
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a trade show course essentially but you can always hit up nick and i obviously
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if you want to know anything what to charge what like is involved how do you
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know whatever how do you approach a company to to recommend doing it,
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yeah I think David Pyro is a good,
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reference for that if you ever look up anything he does or his Penguin lecture
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David Pyro was awesome but of course we have a discord as well and a whole community
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of awesome folks who have been a part of it,
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You know, before we touch on the Discord, actually, it was a fun moment,
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but let's take a quick moment to acknowledge our good friend,
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Herbert, sending a very ominous donation of $6.66.
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Thank you, Herbert. Thank you. We appreciate you, my friend.
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Thank you for your demonic dollars, as it would seem.
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So yeah certainly back to our discord one of the guys just
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decided he was going to organize a jam session on the friday and i
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didn't even know what was happening and then i was you know doing friday things
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that i do getting ready for gigs and whatnot and then i see like
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oh there's a there's a thing going on dude jam session
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went for like four and a half hours in the discord
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just happens it just happens you and i being
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in there yeah you just like you know i'm gonna pop in there and say hello
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i'll pop in and say hello then all of a sudden blaze sierra pops in
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and one after another they just start stacking up with all
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the talents and it's just it's so it's such
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a fun place to be so again it's a great resource for all you
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magicians established or up and coming to ask
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questions and have folks help them out joe barry's part of
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it too so you know don't be shy come get amongst it i can't believe i missed
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that episode but i watched it of course and yeah bloody brilliant and we're
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so lucky to have him offering these these online lessons crazy crazy stuff yeah
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his His online platform, we spoke about the no dubs.com.
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He, yeah, I've only seen the first episode, you know, the first month's worth.
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And just this, this control that he teaches is just so damn good. It's so damn good.
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Like within, like I watched the video and within the first 55 seconds,
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I was just cussing at the, at the computer being like the hell out of here.
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Like how that's not even, he made it look so fair and so simple.
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And then you learn it and it is, it's so fair and so simple.
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It's a really beautiful way to control two playing cards in the most fair, perfect way,
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Scope it out if you haven't already. We did jam it on the Discord recently.
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And there's an example of me performing it as well on the Discord as well.
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So go scope it out. It is killer.
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Now, on to the next.
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Yes. Look, we do have a speak pipe. Should we dive into our fellow French Aurelien,
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I want to say, is the pronunciation?
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The answer is we. Aurelien. Yes.
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Well played. Well played, Nick. Bonjour tout le monde. do you
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think you could tell us about your origin stories as magicians how you started
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and i know how long he how long it took you to make a decent living of it and
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whatever you want about your origin and uh yeah thanks a lot thanks for your work and uh cheers.
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That's a new one i thought it was maybe that's just the the modern way of saying
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it please send In more voicemails, it's great hearing a French accent asking
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a Magic Guys question. That's awesome.
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Yeah, to make a decent living, how long did it take? Nick, why don't you take this one first?
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This is an interesting one. I think for myself, we could do a full episode on
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the origins of the Magic Guys, like individual sort of things and how they got here.
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I think that would be a fun episode to do as well. And if that sounds like fun, by all means, ask us.
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We'll dedicate 20 minutes each to talk about it in an hour episode.
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But I think as far as making a living from it, my journey, I can only speak
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on, and I had started doing magic as a hobby and loving it while working a full-time job,
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loving it thoroughly, performing every opportunity I could.
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And Scotty Link is asking decent question mark.
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I'm going to say decent to the point where you can rely on it to supplement
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your income is what I'm going to say. So for me, I was...
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I was performing, and I started doing my first shows when I first participated
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in the Melbourne Magic Festival, which is coming up in its 19th year.
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We interviewed Tim Ellis just the other week, so do skip out that episode as well.
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So while performing at that, it was great. I made some dollars.
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I was blessed, and I wished that I could perform more.
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And I, in that time, ended up bumping into a gentleman called Jesse Mock.
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Jesse Mock was a street performer from Canada. and he
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showed me the world of street performing and it
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was this beautiful lesson knowing that you know
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you love performing so much and you wish you
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could do it like every day and then he shows you that
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you can you just got to go to a sidewalk and represent and from there that's
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where i started making a really good living doing magic and that's where it
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all started and i was quite literally covering my mortgage with the money I was making on street.
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So that's how it kind of started for me. And this is obviously dependent on a few things.
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There's certain busking legalities
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in certain countries, so just be weary of that is the first thing.
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And secondly, the weather plays a big part as to whether or not you can actually
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do your street shows as well.
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So a rainy place is going to be a lot harder for you to make a dollar because
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people do not want to stand in the rain to watch your magic show no matter how good it is.
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So just keep those two things in mind. But for me, it was a stepping stone from
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going from street to doing variety shows, then, you know, getting my promo together.
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And through word of mouth, I was able to reach, you know, be in contact with
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other agents and so forth. And I just naturally grew up.
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And again, here I am 18 years later, you know, with all my successes that I
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feel really blessed for having and I've worked very, very hard for with a lot of passion.
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So as far as that timeline goes, I would say that it's probably from the starting
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magic to being on street, I'd say a couple of years for myself.
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Josh, what was your journey like?
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All right, strap in. This will be a quick four-hour explanation.
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No, actually, I was just writing down a few timelines that I remember.
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Essentially what happened was i'd been really interested in
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magic i had a full-time job but i was always doing magic
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in the background like at my desk i'm
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shuffling cars i'm like trying to learn the latest coin
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vanish i just watched on illusionist you know and i'm doing magic at work like
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showing people before a meeting magic like it's really in my bloodstream at
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this point but i'm making no money from it but i'm like really interested and
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then what happened was I'm at the ECCA in Brisbane.
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Which is like our big city carnival, state carnival.
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And I see a magic stand selling fire wallets and Sphingali decks.
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And I'm like, I'm interested. I'm like, cool, my people, this is great.
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But like pros doing it. And I go up and I introduce myself.
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And these two guys work in the stand and end up becoming friends to this day.
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But they explained that, yeah, man, all we do is these three main state fairs in Australia.
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And we make a year's living from
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these three 10-day carnivals and then
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we just do whatever we want go overseas and travel or learn
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magic and i was like my brain exploded i'm
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like you're telling me you work 30 days
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a year to make like a living from
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it like to survive at bloom i
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was like holy shit seemed like such a
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hack like a life hack so i said
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to them look yeah that's crazy like
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would you ever sell me some of your stock
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that i could sell and make a profit at like a small sunday market or something
24:34
and they were like let's meet up and talk about it so we did and they were interested
24:41
in having other people branching out selling their products in other places
24:44
so they can start making their own like passive income you know real business guys.
24:48
And i that's how i started making any kind of money from magic is i would buy
24:54
these fingali decks for say five dollars a deck from them and i would get to sell it for 25 a deck.
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At the markets so it would come with a dvd which we still used back then.
25:06
And very chinese quality deck of cards that were sphingali deck there were some
25:13
fire wallets but i mainly just sold these cards so i found yeah i found a sunday
25:19
market and signed up and it was like.
25:23
Forty dollars a stand or something and but
25:26
what it meant was you had to be there ready to start at
25:29
6 a.m and be there till midday
25:33
every sunday very early hours for
25:36
a magician but it's like
25:39
i've never done cocaine but i imagine that's what the high feels like when you
25:45
start doing magic and people want to buy stuff from you for me doing magic i
25:51
could not perform more like i was anyone who would stop, I would show them the whole thing,
25:57
this Vingali routine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The whole deck turns into the same card.
26:01
I'm like, so just so like enthusiastic about it.
26:05
My girlfriend would, she would come and help me as well. And she'd be like facilitating
26:10
the, the, the sales of it while I'm trying to grab more people to demonstrate more anyway.
26:14
So I do this for like months and it's fun. And I'm making like a few hundred
26:19
dollars for being there for like five hours, which really doesn't make sense today.
26:24
But back then that's like half a week's wage at a normal full-time job back then.
26:31
So I'm like enjoying it. But then my first big break comes from this lady seeing
26:36
me do this and she's like, oh, do you have a card?
26:38
And I'm like, oh yeah, I have a Vistaprint, you know, business card that I spent
26:45
$50 to get a thousand of them made. So I give her this very shitty business card.
26:50
And it turns out she was the receptionist of this RSL club, this leagues club. And...
26:57
I get a call, why don't you come meet us? And I go to this place and a leagues
27:02
club, they're big on like gaming.
27:04
So they have a lot of poker machines, but people are a member there and they
27:07
have lots of restaurants and they hold their own events, but they're normally
27:11
affiliated with some kind of local sports team.
27:14
So there's like a rugby league oval or whatever connected to it.
27:19
And just for our American listeners, we're talking about the pokies,
27:23
we're basically talking about a little social club, which
27:26
which is basically filled with slot machines that that old folks
27:29
get to go to part of a club it's a very cheap fun day out they'll go there they'll
27:34
put you know 20 bucks 10 bucks in a slot machine and kill a couple of hours
27:38
then go home on their their rascals so yeah that's yeah after they've had their
27:43
members steak lunch or whatever yeah and taking it home,
27:46
so yeah this place calls me up and they're like yeah we have a restaurant area
27:50
and you know part of our legalities of being able to have all these slot machines
27:55
is we have to offer certain things like entertainment, like food, da-da-da.
28:00
Would you be interested in doing
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magic here once a week in one of the restaurants? I'm like, oh, damn.
28:06
So you mean I can come and do magic here? I don't even have to sell anything to make my money.
28:11
You're going to pay me to do magic. Oh my God, this is awesome.
28:15
And I remember getting told some advice, which was like,
28:19
when you do your first night there make sure every table
28:22
that loves you let them know like hey i
28:24
would love to keep coming back here if you enjoyed it just let
28:27
the staff know when you leave so they did
28:30
that and so when i was leaving the managers like oh my
28:33
god we have to sign you up for an ongoing thing
28:36
because we just had like 40 people leave here raving about you really helpful
28:41
so that restaurant signed me on to perform every week they paid me like it was
28:47
like 400 and i would be there for two and a half hours doing walk around magic
28:52
on a thursday night when i would,
28:56
Normally, I still had a full-time job at that point, like a Monday to Friday
28:59
job, like during the day.
29:00
So this now, combined with the Sunday markets, is starting to get up there now.
29:06
Now I'm like hitting like 70% of what I'm working the whole week that I'm now
29:11
making on a Thursday and a Sunday.
29:14
So I get one more residency. I get one more restaurant gig a few months later
29:19
in the city, and now I'm making the same amount I'm making during the week.
29:24
And now it's like a bit of an internal problem because I'm like, this is crazy.
29:29
Magic's so much more fun and I'm spending way less hours doing it compared to
29:35
this thing that's making someone else rich.
29:37
That sucks. But it is great having two incomes right now.
29:41
So it's not like I want to stop because this is the most money I've ever made
29:46
as like a, you know, 20 something year old.
29:49
But so I keep doing this. And anyway, so talking about timelines,
29:53
so this is like about a two year process.
29:55
So after two years, I'm like, okay, this completely takes over my bills and
30:03
everything that it costs for me to live.
30:06
I can sustain myself and be a full time magician.
30:10
So after two years of doing this part-time selling at
30:13
the markets these residencies trying to figure out what to do with my life with
30:17
this day job and blah blah blah two years in i'm like my job sits me down my
30:23
day job and they're like hey you're really good here we want to give you a promotion
30:27
but if we do give you the promotion you can't be leaving early for these gigs
30:30
or taking days off for these gigs.
30:33
Because they know I'm a magician as well. And so given that like pivotal moment,
30:38
it was such an easy choice.
30:40
They were like, we want to give you more money, but you can't do more magic.
30:44
And I was like, so yeah, everyone here looks so unhappy. Why would I stay here?
30:50
And literally the next week, our friend Christopher Wayne hired me to come to
30:54
New Zealand and do the merch for one of the illusionist tours.
30:57
So then I spent 10 days watching the best magic I've ever seen.
31:01
And there was no looking back.
31:03
And I want to say every year my income grew because of how enthusiastic I was
31:09
and how many like agencies I was meeting and companies would hire me back and et cetera, et cetera.
31:14
It kind of snowballs. Like if you're good and you know how to conduct business
31:20
and like write emails properly and like as Nick says, like show up on time,
31:24
be easy to work with, you know, shower.
31:27
It took about, I'm just looking at my notes.
31:30
So by my like fifth year in
31:33
doing it full-time that's when
31:36
i was like holy crap i'm making like two and a
31:38
half times what i would be making if i still had this
31:41
day job like you know as an entry level sales
31:44
staff person which is not a big paying job
31:47
but i was like five years in i was like holy shit
31:50
this is something so that was kind of the timeline lots of hard work in the
31:55
beginning lots of hours for not as much money and then yeah each year after
32:00
that kept snowballing and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and now being 11 years in full time.
32:09
Even now, I'm still in that snowball thing.
32:12
Obviously, the increments are much smaller because it's hard to double your
32:17
earnings each year when you get to a certain point.
32:19
And I don't own houses like Nick, but I am at a point where I'm like,
32:23
really happy I made this choice.
32:24
And so even now, I'm still trying to beat myself from last year,
32:28
which I'm like on track to do.
32:30
And it never ends because you are your own boss and your own engine.
32:35
So Jesus, that was a lot of rambling. I'm so sorry you're allowed to sit through
32:39
that. But yeah, I could speak to that.
32:42
I wanted to just say back to you because like one thing that you said that really
32:48
hits hard for me and was a beautiful realization is that like you get to a point
32:51
in your career where you have an opportunity to.
32:55
Work yourself to death but for yourself so that you can benefit from it
32:58
or you can work yourself to death to make someone else wealthy
33:02
yeah it's such a hard pill
33:06
to swallow when you realize that yeah 100
33:09
and i didn't just jump
33:12
with no plan like i waited until my magic
33:16
was making more than my day
33:19
job or was enough that i could live on like i didn't just jump and
33:22
then hope and like try and email 100 restaurants or
33:25
whatever like you got to do the work first and like then it
33:29
allowed me to make that choice yeah if
33:32
i could speak to that again it's uh
33:35
it's an exit strategy so if you if your magic is your exit strategy think about
33:40
like how it's going to funnel away from that you know and sometimes it means
33:45
you might make 20 30 grand less but you also have four days a week free to take care of your kids,
33:52
to go to the gym and take care of your health.
33:55
It's a remarkable existence where you can wake up on a Monday.
34:00
And for me, like this, this is my Monday, right? This is the best part of my
34:03
week. So I've worked my butt off all week. I finished my gigs on Sunday.
34:06
My lady comes around on Sunday night. We hang out, we wake up in the morning.
34:11
I look out on my balcony at the traffic and I just look at cars backed up on
34:15
the freeway as far as the eye can see.
34:17
And I just look at that and go, and I just, my heart just goes,
34:21
this could be you if you weren't where you are now.
34:27
And I look at that and I just go like, yeah, it's just, it's just that little
34:31
reminder every single day.
34:32
I even have a, I I've changed it recently because I was, I think it was upsetting
34:37
some people, but I used to have this, this like a phone screen where it was,
34:43
instead of wearing a tie, it's a noose.
34:45
Because that's yeah uh and
34:48
it was just a remind it was just a reminder where that
34:52
the nine to five gives you this
34:54
comfort this regular income but it's also like a
34:57
place where your dreams can go to die and you
35:01
know it's not supposed to be easy it's supposed
35:04
to be fun but it's not supposed to be easy because if
35:07
it were easy everyone could do it like and everyone would
35:09
be be absolutely murdering it but you need
35:13
to be exceptional you need to be great and and
35:15
josh is a perfect example of that i tried
35:18
but i also got to say like for everyone listening it's
35:22
hard to do magic full time like we're in
35:25
a workflow that we're just like we have
35:28
no other choice like we chose this as an exit strategy
35:31
we've tried other things and we know like
35:34
okay i really got to bloody try this because like this is
35:37
the most that feeling of being able to sit and
35:41
watch people go to work on a monday is like an
35:44
unexplainable joy that's so good i can
35:47
just go walk down the street today in the morning go for a walk breathe instead
35:52
of making someone letting some boss get angry at me for something i didn't do
35:58
and like you know make them rich and work all my good years and give to then
36:03
that feeling makes it worth it, but God damn it, it's hard.
36:07
So we're not saying like, you have to take the, you know, you have to become
36:13
a full-time magician. Like don't do it.
36:15
Don't do it unless you have to do it. Like, unless you have,
36:18
unless that thing inside you is not letting you not do it.
36:22
But if you're going to do it, like be prepared to fucking work hard.
36:26
Like don't sit at home going, oh, I've got an AdWords running.
36:30
When are all my gigs coming in? Like you have to be a hunter,
36:34
not just sitting there waiting for the phone to ring.
36:36
Yeah. And as we wrap this up before we go to the, because we've got a couple
36:40
of questions in the chat regarding this.
36:41
I just think that like, if you think that working for yourself is working less
36:45
than like a nine to five job, it's like a 40 hour a week thing. You're mistaken.
36:50
It's going to consume you in its entirety. it's going to consume you whole you
36:55
were going to wake up at four in the morning just to watch lectures so you can
36:58
better your magic you're going to do all these things but it's not going to
37:01
feel laborious it's not going to feel like dragging yourself out of bed to shave to sit in traffic
37:07
you know to take your lunch from the fridge and drag it into the whatever else
37:10
like it's not laborious because there is a labor of love that makes it so much easier to do,
37:16
and you literally jump out of
37:18
bed it's the same reason why like when we're at magic live we can sleep two
37:21
or three hours and be filled with beans because we're going
37:24
to go and see bill malone lecture you know like it's just
37:27
it's something that really does fill your cup and you're
37:30
going to have your good days you're going to have your bad days you're going
37:33
to have your great gigs you're going to have your awful gigs it is
37:36
definitely a spectrum but it's yeah it's so
37:39
it's so worth it and it's so great and i'm
37:42
so grateful but yeah you're going to work way harder
37:45
than you did at your day job but you're going to want to do it
37:48
because it's for your own shit but the tricky thing
37:51
is finding the balance of still making sure you enjoy your
37:53
magic because the moment you don't now it's a job again and
37:56
you're like oh god damn it but you've lost your hobby so like keeping that balance
38:00
is really important and also and i i made the mistake of this was i thought
38:06
all of the magicians in my area were going to become my cheerleaders like yeah
38:11
look at you go you're getting these gigs and blah blah blah but really it becomes like a.
38:16
Oh, why aren't I getting those gigs? Oh, fuck him. You know,
38:19
like, not to that extent, but like people around you aren't going to be pushing you forward.
38:25
You have to be your own driver ready to just do it, kind of have that solo mentality. Except the Discord.
38:33
Like the Discord will give you love because we're all people like that aren't
38:37
losing out on anything by you telling us your wins because we all live in different places.
38:41
And like this, you know, we ramble on so much about the abundant mindset and
38:48
we try to pass it on to other magicians that no one is taking work away from anyone.
38:52
There's so much potential out there, but just be prepared for people at your magic club or whatever.
38:59
No, it's not going to be a big celebration the day you get to do it full time.
39:02
Like it's going to be a quiet day and you're just going to have that feeling
39:06
at home going, ah, I'm at home and everyone else isn't.
39:10
And wherever you are in your journey, again, we're here for you guys and gals.
39:14
Like, drop us a line in the Discord.
39:15
Send through a speak pipe. Like, we will help where we can. You know,
39:18
like, we're far from being Copperfield-level billionaires.
39:22
But, you know, we are in the game.
39:24
You know, we've got very successful careers. We've got lives that a lot of people
39:28
would probably be envious of, you know, for whatever reason.
39:31
I certainly, like, I enjoy my life immensely. But, you know,
39:34
it's like, you know, if we can help you get there, we hold what knowledge.
39:38
And you guys have been asking questions, which you can send through the speak
39:41
chat or, of course, live here in the chat.
39:43
And Tim Askin had a chat here, which no one's really asked before,
39:46
but I'll just address this real quick.
39:48
It says, how is health cost in Australia? Is that something that you have to consider?
39:54
Well, we have Medicare, which is, you know, subsidizes a lot of the stuff that we do for ourselves.
40:01
We've always had a very good infrastructure for that. but i
40:05
mean i i actually go to a private and i
40:07
just pay the full rate which is like 115 bucks every time i
40:10
gotta go see a doctor but in the same breath i'm a healthy guy and
40:13
i don't have to spend that money all too often you know
40:16
like i had some health complications recently with tonsillitis and so forth
40:20
but since they've been removed i'm bulletproof but yeah so the health infrastructure
40:24
here in oz pretty pretty good in fact just to reference that my buddy and mentor
40:31
who now is working for me minimum twice a week.
40:35
I wasn't able to give him gigs for the longest time. He's also a magician who
40:38
will be on the pod very, very soon.
40:40
He's releasing a book, which is going to be of great value. I'm proofreading it for him at the moment.
40:44
He had a knee reconstruction. It would have cost $115,000 to have that done back in the States.
40:50
He's since then migrated here to Oz and it was paid for through our tax system.
40:55
So it did take time. He wasn't able to jump in there immediately.
40:58
There was a, you know, a one-year wait list or whatever else.
41:01
But our infrastructure here is pretty great. So that's as far as the health
41:04
system goes. We're pretty good.
41:06
Like you don't have to pay for an ambulance here. Like I think in the States
41:10
you get a bill for that. But here, for example...
41:14
That's covered by our system and our taxes and stuff.
41:18
But, yeah, we're very lucky in Australia. Wait, you don't have to pay for your ambulance in Brisbane?
41:24
Maybe I'll get back to you on that. I've never called an ambulance in my life,
41:28
but I'm pretty sure it's free. I have many times.
41:31
Okay. Well, I have a membership, so I'm good.
41:35
Yeah. It's $100 a year, but it just means that if anything ever happens, you're covered.
41:41
And depending in what vicinity it happens. So, for example, if I were to have
41:44
a car accident and an ambulance were to take me away, that's covered under the TAC legality.
41:51
So, your car registration covers all of those costs for that.
41:56
Yeah, that's what I thought.
41:56
Like, I thought it was income. Yeah.
42:00
But I also mountain bike and snowboard and ride a skateboard through the city
42:04
and there's every chance I can get hit by a car someday and require,
42:07
you know. Touch wood. Yeah.
42:10
Yeah. So I might not go mountain biking after this just out of fear.
42:14
But I do notice too, I rarely ever, again, touch wood, but I rarely ever get
42:20
sick because I'm doing something such way less stressful than having a full-time
42:26
job where I was always under the pump.
42:28
Working long hours, being a magician...
42:31
Like, I can't remember a time where I had to cancel a gig because I was physically unable to do it.
42:38
Maybe once or something over like 13 years, you know?
42:42
So there's something to be said about that too. Your actual quality of health
42:46
improves when you're doing things on your own time.
42:49
Even with a bloody autoimmune disorder, I'm still not having to not do gigs
42:54
because I'm like so not stressed.
42:56
You know, I'll second that, dude, because here's the thing.
42:59
You've got all the time in the week because you're not
43:01
doing some laborious job you're not emptying trucks you're not
43:04
stuck at a desk all day you're not breathing in office air con
43:07
all day stuck at a desk like doing a desk job whatever it might be
43:10
and you're not around a lot of people when you're self-employed you know like
43:15
i'm i live alone it's great you know i can i can live like a pig if i wanted
43:18
to i don't but i could these are opportunities for your body to rest and heal
43:23
a lot you know so So you actually find that you don't get sick very often.
43:28
Unless you have kids, you have little incubators running around.
43:30
That's a different story.
43:31
But working for yourself as a magician allows you to do that,
43:35
which is kind of piggybacking off this comment that Matty Magic said.
43:40
And what Matty Magic said was, gigs are good for me right now in Michigan.
43:44
But when like four or five days go by without a booking, I panic.
43:49
And it's not the easiest way to make ends meet. Now, I will say to you,
43:53
Matty, Matt, that my Mondays to Thursdays are pretty chill.
43:57
They're pretty chill. But my Fridays to Sundays when I'm flat out.
44:02
And that's because I have these residences with my line of work that keep me
44:06
busy. And this is like my bread and butter.
44:09
So as far as my bread and butter goes, like I've got a weekly income that supports
44:13
me taking care of all my lifestyle and all my investments and everything else.
44:17
But then if I get gigs atop of that, so for example, I didn't do any residences
44:21
this weekend because I had one gig after another from Thursday on and one corporate
44:25
after another right up until Sunday.
44:27
And so there's your.
44:30
Like your your bread and butter and then you got your cream and your
44:33
cream are your corporates your cream are your weddings your cream are
44:36
all those like those big ticketed events you know but there ain't
44:39
no ain't no shame in doing a you know 200 a
44:42
night residency and doing five of those a week there is literally no
44:45
shame in that like it's just you're doing what you love you're making a crust
44:48
you know you're paying your taxes you're supporting yourself
44:51
you're supporting your family you're not being a burden on anyone around you that's
44:54
that's a cool place so so yeah if you're going four days without a booking like
44:58
for me i'm just like that's cool weekends are weekends that's what the gigs
45:02
are for the weekend time so yeah don't put too much pressure on yourself matt
45:05
i remember shimshi has been still in my opinion is one of the best penguin lectures i've heard of.
45:14
Shimshi live on penguin talks about basically
45:17
what we're talking about the business of being a magician how to
45:21
look good when you approach a client how
45:23
to impress them a few tricks that
45:26
he does but mainly business stuff it still
45:29
holds up today but even he
45:33
was talking about how he makes a foot well back then he made a full-time living
45:37
from being a walk-around magician at a casino so not doing a show where you're
45:43
the big celebrity he he was doing like eight hours a day roving by the poolside
45:49
restaurants for the rich people five days a week.
45:53
And he even told us he was getting like $1,000 a day for eight hours a day,
45:59
which is absurd when you break down that hourly rate.
46:01
That's so less compared to a corporate gig. But five days a week?
46:06
You're telling me you wouldn't do that for five grand a week,
46:09
getting to meet all these high-profile clients to potentially book you for other stuff as well?
46:14
That's amazing. Like what other jobs get to make five $1,000 US a week,
46:21
You just got to be willing to, you know, work 40 hours a week doing magic.
46:25
And for him, that's perfect. And that works.
46:28
And that's awesome. So, yeah, sometimes you got to have a bit of everything,
46:33
right? You got to have your corporates.
46:34
You got to have your residencies. You got to sell fucking Sfingali decks at markets. You got to.
46:42
But you know what we haven't mentioned? Multiple streams of income.
46:46
Social media videos. Yeah, no true. But what we haven't been talking about as
46:50
a way to make money is having a big Instagram account.
46:54
That has almost no, like, that has nothing to do with being a full-time magician for us.
47:02
Like, I make videos all the time because I love the art of sharing it and things
47:07
like that. But that's not how we get gigs.
47:09
So don't, from this current era, think, oh, to be a full-time magician,
47:13
I just have to make viral videos.
47:16
Because it literally is not there is a percentage of people that once you have a massive following,
47:23
you can get a different type of gig from that but don't think to be a full time
47:28
magician as a blanket statement that it's social media related because it is
47:33
not so something to be said there.
47:38
All right. Now the next two hours, you can tell we're, you can tell we're passionate
47:45
about it because it really is like, we're in it, you know, it's not like we're
47:49
here talking about how to be a magician and we don't do it full time.
47:52
Like we're in it and it's hard and we love it.
47:54
And there's so much potential, but like, I know some people in the comments
47:59
were like, oh, but what are some good ways to get gigs and this and that and the other,
48:03
but really for long-term longevity, like you just got to be really good at magic
48:08
and really good at being a performer.
48:11
Like even though I've been doing magic for so long now, in the last year,
48:15
I've really realized as I get
48:17
older that I can just go crazy and I don't have to be a polite magician.
48:22
Like I really now, not manhandle, but I really like direct people to do stuff at gigs now.
48:29
And they love it. They love the experience of
48:32
being brought into this world by being told to
48:35
go across the room to a stranger and ask them for us to
48:38
name a card or whatever and then come like i've realized that the crazier i
48:43
become as a performer and not trying to be polite as a walk-around artist the
48:48
more people like it and remember me and the more rebookings i get faster because
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i'm really standing out to just being like.
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A magician that does a few kind of tricks, a double cross, and then that's it.
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Like, because I'm being so fucking loopy, not loopy, but like in my head,
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it's loopy compared to what I used to do.
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That really makes a difference. And if I look at, I did just talk about this
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yesterday with another magician.
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The last 10 gigs that I've done, only one of them was a new client, like from Google.
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The last, the other nine are either agents I've worked with before,
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past clients residencies all stuff
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that i already have in place it's not a new person i'm trying to attract and
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that's because you're good and people want to work with you so yeah you can
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you can do all the marketing courses and stuff you want but if you're just so
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good that people can't ignore you.
49:47
That's what will help you make it you know i was talking to a buddy of mine
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the other day phoenix montgomery who i think is the best mind reader in australia
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and same thing he we're talking about like the gimmicks and the this and that
50:00
and i said to him i go i don't i'm just nick k,
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and i don't have a gimmick i don't have
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a like oh he's the this guy he's the yeah like
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it's just like i'm just i'm just the guy who does magic you
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know and he and he just any very politely gave me
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a compliment which he just said he goes you don't have to do that when you're
50:18
the best what you do i was like oh that's very kind like that's very kind because
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i consider myself like i mean i just i'm a rover by by nature like i'm a guy
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that you hire for parties and i walk around i am a party magician it's what
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i've always done yeah and it's kind of a nice place to be you know,
50:34
yeah i mean look oz perlman said the same thing right he's like you want people
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to want o's not just me like when we had james come on the podcast from perth
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james diamond he was telling us that story of when he drove Oz around Perth,
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when he did a lecture there, he's like,
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yeah, you don't want people to want a magician, you want people to want Oz,
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you know? So what's that thing that's going to help you?
50:58
Exactly like the amount of times people bring up this this freaking ice cream
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that i pull out of my pocket is absurd,
51:07
Like, it's absurd compared to the magic I'm doing. But like,
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it's just a little thing I've noticed I like doing and people like the craziness of that amongst a set.
51:18
So, yeah.
51:22
Reflection. Inhale. This is great therapy for us, isn't it, Nick? It's been good therapy.
51:29
Thanks for letting us trauma dump on you guys for 53 minutes.
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You guys are the greatest.
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It's like, I want everyone to really get in it.
51:37
Like like we are but at the same time it's
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not for everyone it just really isn't and i've seen
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people go through the phases of it thinking yes i'm
51:46
going to spend a month going really hard
51:49
at trying to do magic full-time and then they two months
51:52
later they're like yeah i'm going back to the day job it's just a bit too they
51:57
always say something like the market's too saturated right now or something
52:00
like that you just didn't work hard enough i want i wonder that i wonder if
52:06
like the market situation for magicians is a thing because I kind of do feel
52:09
that there was a bit of a culling,
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a culling from COVID,
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you know, like a lot of folks just went, well, I better go do,
52:16
a real job, you know.
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It was a bit of a wake up call for sure.
52:23
Hmm. So I often wonder that, but yeah, erroneous to that. I think we,
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do we have time for one more pipe?
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Yeah, let's do it. Let me bring it up while Nick tells everyone a joke.
52:37
What's the difference between a magician and a family pizza?
52:41
Family pizza can actually feed a family.
52:44
Boom, boom. I got it. This one came in from Anonymous.
52:48
Hey guys, Jacob from Germany here. I actually had two ideas I'd really love
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to input on. The first is my personal project.
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I'm trying to make a five to ten minutes cart routine centered on the aspect
52:58
of time, like having a big clock on the table that can play time forward, backward, and stop it.
53:04
I have obvious things like turn restore, time stop with loops,
53:08
and some color changes in it.
53:10
Do you have any ideas for the effect that would add different nuances to this time dynamic?
53:15
And the second idea is a cups and balls routine I'm trying to do with a friend
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who's quite new to magic.
53:20
We have those basic elements like balls teleportating, figure balls appearing, and so on.
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Do you have any interesting ideas we could do, even though it isn't that experience?
53:31
I'm quite new here, but I really love the podcast. Keep it on.
53:34
Yo, thanks, Jacob. Danke, Jacob.
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From Germany. How cool is that? We've got friends in Germany.
53:41
Is that what he said? I think so. I think he said Jacob from Germany. That's cool.
53:47
So Jacob, there was this idea that I had for a while. You just reminded me of it with regards to time.
53:53
There was a short film that I saw and this guy was like at a desk.
53:58
He'd kind of fall asleep at his desk and then he would wake up and then like
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something scary would happen and then he would like wake up from it again.
54:04
But what happened was every time he woke up, The clock was like a couple of
54:09
minutes further back each time in this story.
54:12
So it was this kind of thing that like he knew that this thing was going to
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happen as the clock went on.
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I reckon there's something in that where it's like.
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It's like this groundhog day thing where like you do something, it happens.
54:30
Like, let's, let's just say something as simple as like, you're at your desk, you're doing a trick.
54:33
And then all of a sudden, like, like your, your coffee spills or something.
54:36
And then, and then like, then there's like alarm that goes off or there's like
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a blackout, but everything goes back on again, everything's reset.
54:44
And then like, you know, it's going to fall, but you catch it this time.
54:47
And then something else happens like so it's this kind of
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like loop of you resetting the
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time again and again as opposed to you controlling time
54:58
because then it sets up this expectation of what
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they know what's going to happen and then all of a sudden they're really invested
55:03
because they kind of know what's
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going to happen but they don't know how you're going to react to it or
55:06
how you're going to solve it and it's a very different way of doing it and if
55:09
i do come across that video again i might do a little google search after the
55:14
episode and pop it in the discord for you to scope out so if you haven't jumped
55:17
in the discord do that but i will try and find it for you but i remember seeing
55:21
this and thinking to myself like that is a fism routine right there like that is sick this idea so,
55:29
Yeah, and it's a very different depiction of how time can be manipulated as
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opposed to, you know, dropping a coin and then reversing it and doing a muscle
55:36
pass to show it go back up again.
55:38
It's got legs, but it's just a very different original idea that was inspired
55:43
by this short film, which I'll try and find. Thoughts, Josh?
55:48
I think it's a great premise in magic you know i've
55:51
seen a few people attack it from different angles like our
55:54
friend chris wayne has a big segment in his show
55:57
at the theater magic that is time related
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and we're always like nitpicking of
56:03
different things subtle subtleties you
56:06
can add into it like what's the magic company
56:09
that makes great props t something something tcc the tcc yeah they make like
56:15
a cup for example like a coffee mug that can keep re-pouring out a liquid so
56:20
you know you could pour out basic example pour out water put it to the side do your routine.
56:29
Reset like ambitious card like oh if i better if i wait 10 seconds that makes
56:35
the cup fill up again like it was at the start and your card is at the top of
56:39
the deck like it was at the start let's try this again,
56:42
now it's full again so like there are
56:45
little things like that we have been exploring which is just relevant to what
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you brought up but you know a rubik's cube is scrambled you put it behind a
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board when you come back to it because you're talking about time it's resolved
56:58
again or I remember my favorite time related thing was.
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Francis Minotti put out this great thing with paper crane a series of his effects
57:10
from his show and one of them was this bill that appears from fire at the start
57:16
of his show and he's just like,
57:18
That was weird. Puts it to the side. And later in the routine,
57:21
he does like a signed bill effect where it disappears.
57:25
And then the story he's telling explains how it traveled some way,
57:29
traveled through time, but sometimes it goes backwards.
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And then he goes, oh, hang on, didn't we?
57:36
And then he just walks over to the other side of the room, picks up this bill
57:39
and with the corner torn from the routine they just did and it matches.
57:44
And I think it's endless. The possibilities are endless. That's what I'll say.
57:49
And Timeline by Patrick Kuhn. That's great, too, if you're doing a quick thing.
57:55
Yeah, I've actually done that for people. As I was leaving the restaurant,
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I'm like, oh, what time do you finish?
58:00
Choose a number, I'll speed it up for you. And then you go, the time speeds
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up. That's such a fun thing to do.
58:05
Brian St. gave us that little gem. Yeah.
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And it's so good. You should listen to his episode again if you want to hear
58:15
exactly what we're talking about because I probably timestamped it.
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But yeah that's a great app for everyone's phone
58:22
jumping forward in time by the end of
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the effect they'll realize holy crap the time has gone forward on
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every clock it's pretty cool there's also a video game i'm
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reminded of i forget what it's called now but it's like death loop
58:34
i think it's called watch the gameplay of it
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just google like death loop gameplay and just
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watch how like you play the same thing again and
58:42
again but it's a little bit different every time there's a little a clue every
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night and the story starts to unfold itself i think that that if you could if
58:51
you could encompass that into a magic routine i think you got honestly something
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fism worthy so just keep your eye open for that one so if there's nothing else
59:00
to add to that i think we should talk about this cups and balls idea,
59:03
Yeah, totally. And conscious of the time we have, because we can't go back in time.
59:09
But the last thing I'll say is even Copperfield's show, RIP,
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he had an effect in his most latest edition of his show where a thing would
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happen and he would go back in time.
59:20
And even stuff in the audience would re-happen again that didn't seem like it was a part of the show.
59:27
And that's really forward thinking like
59:31
you know imagine you're doing a roving gig and you
59:33
have the waiters in on it and so the waiter
59:36
that had just come past to offer a canopy 30
59:40
seconds later comes back and asks exactly the same way
59:43
for the same thing you know you could
59:46
play with it so much okay cups and balls or big
59:49
balls as he mentioned now the
59:52
thing is we can go nuts on this but i did
59:56
have here in my notes that he mentioned that he's a beginner so
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we're looking for kind of like a simple but cool idea that makes it
1:00:02
that's fitting for a beginner now when
1:00:07
i think about beginner i don't know what age this person is but i do remember
1:00:10
watching the junior champion i actually got to like share a stage with this
1:00:15
kid great kid adore him and he did this amazing chop cup routine with cup of
1:00:22
like two minute noodles, like a ramen noodles.
1:00:26
And, you know, it was because he couldn't afford a chop, like a chop cup,
1:00:29
you know, he's just a kid.
1:00:30
So he just took some noodles and gimmicked it up and put together this killer,
1:00:35
beautiful original routine and produced noodles at the end of it, you know?
1:00:39
So just a little thought on being able to do something like that,
1:00:42
that if he is a beginner, there's interesting ways to do it.
1:00:46
That they could be pertaining more to
1:00:49
them being new to the game being you know
1:00:53
like i got one friend who's a very well-versed magician gareth bell
1:00:56
from tasmania and he will do he will only do cups and bowls with borrowed stuff
1:01:01
so he'll like he'll be at a house party or an event and he's like or you know
1:01:05
at a corporate and he's like give me the coffee cups off the table give him
1:01:08
bring him here bring him here like i need three and he'll just do the routine
1:01:11
like that and you You know,
1:01:13
there's been times where he's borrowed like thousands of dollars worth of China
1:01:16
and just done like the most expensive cups and balls you could imagine with
1:01:19
like the rarest China. You know, it's.
1:01:23
It's an interesting one to do. So yeah. Yeah. So there's certain ways you can
1:01:28
do this. I actually helped another buddy of mine in Chicago.
1:01:31
We befriended each other on social media and he was doing this whole routine
1:01:35
and he was a street performer.
1:01:37
And we're talking about what to do with this final load. And I said to him that
1:01:40
like, you should do your hat line and then talk about that.
1:01:44
Like I work a job, I do this, I do this because I love it. And also because
1:01:47
I'm trying to save extra money.
1:01:48
Every penny I make goes towards helping out my kid. His name is this,
1:01:51
this and this and that i use the money to take him to whatever and
1:01:55
one of his favorite things to do is to take him out i go for a
1:01:57
bowl of ramen and then what he would do is he would do
1:02:01
his whole act and then we would finish and he goes and if with enough of your
1:02:03
donations and he would produce a bowl of ramen like it was like one of those
1:02:06
fake foods nice i've got a bowl of ramen for my son thank you very much and
1:02:10
he puts it out and then people and then he said his hats tripled after that
1:02:14
because people were going like i can give you a buck so that you can feed your
1:02:17
kid dude and it was that type of play on words.
1:02:20
So those are little things to think about.
1:02:23
Just, you know, whatever you could put under a cup.
1:02:27
If you could put a ball, you can put an orange. If you could put an orange,
1:02:29
you could put a fluffy toy. If you could put a fluffy toy, you could put a toy
1:02:32
car. You could put a Lego, whatever you like.
1:02:34
Liquid loads are also super cool, but this is a beginner, so let's not go down
1:02:39
there. It's going to be a very wet situation.
1:02:41
So do you do cups and balls, drops no it's
1:02:46
not actually a part of my story growing
1:02:49
up i grew up on this like when i would go into
1:02:52
street magic jason marr aka street magician dude was me and him sort of came
1:02:57
up at the same time and his thing was always cups and balls so i just kind of
1:03:01
stayed away with it but i do have a very cool chop cup and i do have a set of
1:03:07
cups and balls it's just not a mainstream thing for me,
1:03:11
but it is a very important lesson to learn still to do it all, but,
1:03:15
yeah, but I love it, I always love watching it, it's always fun also good for trade shows too and,
1:03:24
So if you want to be a full-time magician.
1:03:28
Step one, listen to the Magic Guys podcast. Step two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:03:32
The reason we can do this podcast on a Tuesday morning in Australia is because
1:03:36
we don't have to go and work at some other job.
1:03:39
Yeah. So we hope you found this helpful. Let's continue the chat over in the
1:03:44
Discord. If you have any follow-up questions, this has been Real.
1:03:47
And we're going to see you guys next week. Nick, what sentence you want to leave the people with?
1:03:53
Be good at life and the magic will come,
1:03:58
thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now but we'll see you again
1:04:05
on the next episode of the magic guys.