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Sharri | 14 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening as more terrorists come out to applaud Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: Michaylia Cash and the brother of the only Australian killed
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Speaker 2: on October seven would join Me.
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Speaker 3: Live to tell some hard truths.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, parents are outraged by the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier's secret move to teach gender fluidity to five year
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Speaker 2: olds before they can even properly read and write, and
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Speaker 2: the investigative journalist who spent years looking into whether there
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Speaker 2: are other life forms. He'll tell us what he's discovered
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Speaker 2: later in the show, but first to a report that
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Speaker 2: would have.
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Speaker 3: Shocked many parents today.
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Speaker 2: And even more shocking was the Victorian Premier Justinto Allan's
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Speaker 2: response to it that the Victorian curriculum has been updated
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Speaker 2: to teach children as young as five that their body
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Speaker 2: parts may not match their gender and that biologically male
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Speaker 2: students who identify as female can.
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Speaker 3: Play sport on girls' teams.
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Speaker 2: This was a big exclusive by Rachel Baxendale and The
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Speaker 2: Australian Today, and she reports that the curriculum also seeks
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Speaker 2: to educate the five and six year old students about
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Speaker 2: the notion of being transgender by telling them that some
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Speaker 2: people feel they did not get a good match for
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Speaker 2: their body parts, and they do not want to be
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Speaker 2: called a boy or a girl, but rather something that
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Speaker 2: is right for them. Just extraordinary. Now here's part of
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Speaker 2: what's actually in the curriculum.
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Speaker 4: Part of the curriculum on the notion of being transgender
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Speaker 4: says some people feel they did not get a good
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Speaker 4: match to their body parts, and they do not want
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Speaker 4: to be called a boy or a girl, but rather
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Speaker 4: something that is right for them. It also involves a
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Speaker 4: case study on a transgender girl. They are advised to
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Speaker 4: tell the other students, yes, I can play with the
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Speaker 4: girls team because I am a girl, or go and
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Speaker 4: ask the teacher if you don't believe me. Our teacher says,
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Speaker 4: I belong in the girls team.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's one thing to be respectful to children and
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Speaker 2: teenagers who are struggling, but it's quite another for a
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Speaker 2: school to deliberately tell young children that they can choose
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Speaker 2: their own gender, to introduce them to the idea of
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Speaker 2: gender fluidity without parental permission before they can even properly read, write,
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Speaker 2: or do arithmetic. You'd think the majority of parents would
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Speaker 2: be highly uncomfortable about this, and the Australian reports that
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Speaker 2: there have been examples of young people who have been
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Speaker 2: socially transitioned at school without even their parents' knowledge or consent. Now,
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Speaker 2: we protect five year olds rightly from so much in
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Speaker 2: life at this young age. Apparently the Victorian Premier thinks
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Speaker 2: it's perfectly acceptable that.
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Speaker 3: They should be taught about changing genders.
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Speaker 2: And here she was angrily defending this program during a
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Speaker 2: feisty exchange with journalists today.
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Speaker 5: Those reports out todays about some of the pages going
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Speaker 5: to what teaches are being taught to teach talking.
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Speaker 6: About transgender and non binary rats.
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Speaker 7: Te think of hide relige, be taught business.
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Speaker 6: I back the Respectful Relationships program and the curriculum that
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Speaker 6: is all about protecting kids, strengthening residience of kids.
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Speaker 2: There are some parents of children who do you identify
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Speaker 2: as transgender or non binary that feel.
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Speaker 8: Like there's a full de clinic lifeline.
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Speaker 6: What would you say, though, that's just nonsense, It's disgraceful nonsense.
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Speaker 6: Like seriously, this sort of ongoing attack on a program
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Speaker 6: that is making a difference in kids' lives just should
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Speaker 6: be stopped. It should be stopped. It's it's for reporting it'shardful, so.
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Speaker 2: She attacks the media instead of properly defending or even
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Speaker 2: answering why children as young as five are being taught this. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is a highly controversial subject area, and I accept
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Speaker 2: there's debate about this, but surely what we can agree
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Speaker 2: on is to keep this controversial ideology out of the classroom.
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Speaker 3: Particularly at such a young age.
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Speaker 2: It's horrifying to think of what is being taught to
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Speaker 2: five and six year olds in Victoria in the supposed
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Speaker 2: safety of the schoolroom. Children at that age are so
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Speaker 2: vulnerable and impressionable that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy
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Speaker 2: are still exciting and believable, and many even have very
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Speaker 2: real magical powers. I'm careful what I say in case
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Speaker 2: there are children watching, and at this tender age of
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Speaker 2: such impressionability, they should not be taught highly contray versial
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Speaker 2: and potentially problematic ideology that they can switch genders if
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Speaker 2: they choose. And if this isn't a reason for Victorians
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Speaker 2: to throw out Premieres into Allen and Labor at the
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Speaker 2: next election, then I just don't know what is.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Let's return to the appalling decision by alban Easy to
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Speaker 2: reward Hermas this week with unconditional recognition of a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: In a wave of media interviews, the Prime Minister angrily
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Speaker 2: insisted his plan was the opposite of what Hermas would
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Speaker 2: want in her Maas.
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Speaker 10: I've seen some of the comments that have been made
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Speaker 10: about Harmas somehow being rewarded. Har Maas is opposed to
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Speaker 10: two states.
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Speaker 11: This is the opposite of what.
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Speaker 10: Her Maas wants. Her Maas will be totally opposed to
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Speaker 10: this decision. Her Maas do not want this.
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Speaker 1: Her Mas don't want two states.
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Speaker 2: So albenizi resolutely claiming that Hermas would hate his decision
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Speaker 2: to recognize a sovereign Palestinian state. Yet that wasn't true
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Speaker 2: at all, because while Hermas does not want a two
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Speaker 2: state solution, it does want a Palestinian state from which
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Speaker 2: to destroy Israel.
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Speaker 3: And all Jews.
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Speaker 2: The Cdney Morning Herald yesterday quoted a senior Hamas figure
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Speaker 2: praising Albansy for political courage, and just as Hermas was
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Speaker 2: praising Albanesi, we heard criticism from the United States Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio. So absurd is this twisted foreign
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Speaker 2: policy that Greg Sheridan today wrote in The Australian This
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Speaker 2: is a brilliant, distinctive, surely unique accomplishment for any Australian
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Speaker 2: Prime minister. Lauded as the friend of the worst terrorists
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Speaker 2: in the world, dismissed as a cynical domestic opportunist by
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Speaker 2: the U S Secretary of State, the most moderate and
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Speaker 2: pro Australian figure in the administration that governs our greatest ally. Now,
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Speaker 2: Albanezy could have responded to this by coming out today
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Speaker 2: and apologizing for playing into the terrorist's playbook and for
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Speaker 2: being so terribly insensitive to the victims of October seven,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't. Instead, he doubled down apologies and tried
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Speaker 2: to claim that Harmas didn't really feel this way.
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Speaker 10: Have a look, I notice in the statement that's made
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Speaker 10: today they say that the alleged statement from the person
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Speaker 10: yesterday as someone who's been in prison in Israel since
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Speaker 10: October twenty twenty three and has no means of communication.
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Speaker 10: What that should be as a warning to the media
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Speaker 10: of being very careful about the fact that Hamash will
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Speaker 10: engage in proper gags, because what is happening is the
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Speaker 10: international community, are you united about isolating Hamas?
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Speaker 2: Now, that was Albanesi grasping at straws because there is
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Speaker 2: ample proof that Hamas does want Palestinian recognition and is
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Speaker 2: taking credit for it. Now sure the Hamas figure the
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Speaker 2: Herald quoted is in jail, as another terrorist set in
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Speaker 2: a statement today, but the Herald clarified the statement they
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Speaker 2: received was from hars Son Yusuf's office in the West Bank,
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Speaker 2: still from a Hamas spokesman, and Albanesi's denials further backfired
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Speaker 2: because more Hamas terrorists came out to heat praise on
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Speaker 2: his brave move to recognize a Palestinian state and I'm
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Speaker 2: quoting from the ABC now. In a statement by Hamas
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Speaker 2: to the ABC, the terror group applauded the Albanesi government's
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Speaker 2: decision to recognize Palestinian state, and then another Hamas official
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Speaker 2: also welcome the move. And despite Albanesi's indignant denials, Harmas
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Speaker 2: has been issuing statements applauding nations who recognize a Palestinian
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Speaker 2: state for weeks.
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Speaker 3: Exhibit one.
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Speaker 2: On July twenty fifth, when Macron said he'd recognize the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian state, the BBC report it and I'm quoting here
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Speaker 2: in the BBC, Hermas said France's decision was a positive
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Speaker 2: step in the right direction, pretty definitive. Albanese should have
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Speaker 2: known that Hermas would welcome his move. Now here's exhibit two. Apologies,
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Speaker 2: I've had the flu this week. The actual influenza a
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Speaker 2: hard to shake. Now exhibit two. Hamas official Ghazi Ahmed
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Speaker 2: speaking to Al Jazeera a week and a half ago.
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Speaker 2: So there's all of this evidence, and you can see
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Speaker 2: how Albanese was desperately clutching at straws this morning when
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Speaker 2: he claimed one single Harmas terrorist was in jail and
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Speaker 2: therefore the terror group couldn't possibly support his foreign policy,
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Speaker 2: when in fact, they've made their position extremely clear over
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Speaker 2: the past three weeks, and Alberzi cannot escape the fact
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Speaker 2: that he has rewarded the world's most bloodthirsty terror group
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Speaker 2: for its massacre of one thousand, two hundred innocent people.
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Speaker 2: And what's more, this isn't the first time her Maas
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Speaker 2: has praised the Albanesi government. Back in December twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: just two months after October seven, Hamas thanked the Albenese
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Speaker 2: government for shifting away support from Israel by voting for
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Speaker 2: a United Nations resolution calling for a cease fire, and
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Speaker 2: then in July, Hermas also welcomed that multinational declaration signed
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Speaker 2: by Australia urging Israel to stop its military campaign in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: So this week is now the third time Hermas has
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Speaker 3: applauded Albanese's decisions. How proud he must be.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to alber Ezi claiming this is
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Speaker 2: all Hamas propaganda.
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Speaker 3: Have a look again.
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Speaker 10: Well, what I say is that they shouldn't repeat her
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Speaker 10: Maas's propaganda because it is Hamas which will engage in propaganda.
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Speaker 2: It is just like Jacinta Allen attacking the media for this.
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Speaker 2: But can you believe our Prime minister is now asking
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Speaker 2: us not to believe Hermas propaganda when he he sprouts
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Speaker 2: it all the time, whether it's drawing on claims from
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Speaker 2: the Harmas Health Ministry about the number of deaths or
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Speaker 2: from the Hamas Communications Ministry, the propaganda that Israel is
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Speaker 2: deliberately killing or starving civilians or depriving Palestinians of eight. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is a very good point that Israeli Ambassador to Australia,
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Speaker 2: Emir Maimon made today.
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Speaker 13: Calling out Hamas or paganda is right. Doing it only
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Speaker 13: when it suits politics is not. Hamas always lie about
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Speaker 13: casualty numbers, about hiding in hospitals and schools, and about
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Speaker 13: who really puts gasens at risk. Truth is not selective.
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Speaker 2: He's so right, and the bottom line is that none
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Speaker 2: of this helps Israel bring the hostages home or defeat
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Speaker 2: the terrorists, both of which would end the war. Now,
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Speaker 2: there was only one Australian brutally murdered on October seven,
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Speaker 2: Garlic Carbone, a grandmother. She was killed while hiding in
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Speaker 2: her safe room in Kibbutz Berry.
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Speaker 3: I've been there.
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Speaker 2: Her brother, Danny Masner, who I met in person when
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Speaker 2: I was in Israel, told me today that he feels
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Speaker 2: sick to see Albanezi's rush to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, Hi Sharwi, thanks for having me from
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Speaker 11: my home at Kibutkatse and Nilbershev and Israel. Once upon
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Speaker 11: a time, I used to think that Australia was one
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Speaker 11: of our best and closest allies after the States, obviously,
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Speaker 11: but suddenly since the October seventh event, I feel like
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Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty degrees has changed between Israel and
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Speaker 11: Australia and their labor government. I've got no idea why,
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Speaker 11: but it's like really giving the Hamas surprise for doing
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Speaker 11: what they did by creating the worst tragedy and attack
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Speaker 11: on civilians. What is actually doing is taking Yhsin.
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Speaker 14: Wau, was a head of the Ramas in Gaza and
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Speaker 14: putting him up on the ladder of the gods because
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Speaker 14: in his grave now he sees that he achieved what
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Speaker 14: he was trying to achieve by force, and now it's
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Speaker 14: going to come from the open, from the front door,
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Speaker 14: via politicians, via cheap politics, and mister tel BENIZI, I
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Speaker 14: really don't understand, seriously, what's the rush.
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Speaker 11: We are really really really, to say the least, not happy,
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Speaker 11: mister ALBERNIZI, rethink your vote next time when you go
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Speaker 11: to the Urine Assembly. Please, if we're still allies, let's
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Speaker 11: keep it this way.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't Danny put it powerfully when he said there that
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Speaker 2: Jakya Sinoa, the former head of Humas who was killed,
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Speaker 2: would be pleased in his grave to see that the
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Speaker 2: terror attacks he was a mastermind of have led to
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Speaker 2: foolish Western nations now voting to recognize a Palestinian state unconditionally.
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Speaker 2: This is such a deep source of shame for Australia,
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Speaker 2: and I think this time in aligning himself with barbaric
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Speaker 2: terrorists rather than our allies in the United States, well
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Speaker 2: our Prime minister might have just gone too far. Mikhaylia
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Speaker 2: Kash will join me shortly to speak about this, but
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Speaker 2: now let's have a look at some of the other
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Speaker 2: big stories around today. Leaked Treasury advice obtained by the
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Speaker 2: ABC appears to show a list of pre written outcomes
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Speaker 2: that the federal government things should come from its economic roundtable,
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Speaker 2: the one it's having next week now, far from the
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Speaker 2: open minded, smallgas board of policy ideas that always intended
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Speaker 2: to be. The list includes speeding up housing approvals, pausing
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Speaker 2: the changes to the National Construction Code, cutting environmental red tape,
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Speaker 2: clearing housing approval backlogs and more.
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Speaker 3: Or to discuss.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is WA Liberal leader Basil Zemplus and
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Cadavan.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you. Both. So, Matt Charry, you know,
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Speaker 3: this round table was meant to.
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Speaker 2: Be first productivity, then an economic roundtable, meant to be
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Speaker 2: to come up with ideas. But now there's this suggestion
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Speaker 2: or accusation that it's all a predetermined set of.
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Speaker 3: Outcomes because of this leaked treasury list.
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Speaker 2: What do you think is this roundtable just window dressing
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Speaker 2: for the government policy wish list?
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Speaker 15: It sounds like the government's already written the script here,
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Speaker 15: haven't they. I mean, Jim Charmers is playing less the
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Speaker 15: role of our nation's treasurer and more Steven Spielberg. He's
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Speaker 15: a movie producer, just positioning his actors and actresses around
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Speaker 15: the stage. And their question would have to be asked
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Speaker 15: to all those people going along giving up their time
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Speaker 15: to this so called productivity roundtable, is they just props?
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Speaker 15: They just props for the Labor Party here to give
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Speaker 15: a veneer of respectability to a bunch of wish list
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Speaker 15: proposals they were going to do. Anyway, this whole exercise
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Speaker 15: has gone way off the rails. It started because I
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Speaker 15: think finally the government realized they needed to do something
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Speaker 15: about productivity. Keep in mind three years ago when they
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Speaker 15: held their very similar stage managed Jobs and Skills Summer.
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Speaker 15: They did not even invite the Productivity Commissioner along. The
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Speaker 15: government did not talk about productivity. They totally missed it.
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Speaker 15: And I'm not trying to be a Monday expert here.
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Speaker 15: I wrote a column for the Curier Mail three years
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Speaker 15: ago saying that they need to mention the P word
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Speaker 15: at that Jobs and Skills Summer. They need to get
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Speaker 15: focused on productivity. Well, in the three years since, we've
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Speaker 15: seen productivity fall by more than five percent. After election,
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Speaker 15: Jim Chalmers decided, geez, I better do something about that.
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Speaker 15: He's come up with this thought bubble of an idea
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Speaker 15: and there's not much coming out of it. I think
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Speaker 15: that's going to move the dial Basil.
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Speaker 2: We've also seen the Prime Minister appear to be downplaying
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Speaker 2: any suggestion that there would be major reform from this summit.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is that concerning as well already putting limits
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Speaker 2: on it.
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Speaker 7: Cherry, I'm sorry, I've just lost you, so I can't
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Speaker 7: hear you. I'll let you go back to mat because
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Speaker 7: I've got no audio coming my way.
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Speaker 3: Come back to that now I have.
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Speaker 9: I've got you back.
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Speaker 3: Great.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was just asking you about how the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister keeps down playing the suggestion that there would be
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Speaker 2: real reform, major reform from this summit.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, clearly it's been choreographed, clearly a predetermined script.
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Speaker 7: We've seen it now, and therefore you'd assume predetermined outcomes.
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Speaker 7: The people I think who will be the most disappoint
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Speaker 7: And it, as Matters pointed out, if you're invited along
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Speaker 7: to something like that, it's contagious. If you're invited along
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Speaker 7: in good faith and then drawn into a script, you
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Speaker 7: have every right to be disappointed.
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Speaker 9: And I'd be watching pretty closely over the.
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Speaker 7: Next few days whether anyone that's been invited along happens
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Speaker 7: to pull out because they say, well, hang on a second,
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Speaker 7: I've come along in good faith. I thought you wanted
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Speaker 7: my ideas and genuine suggestions for where we could take
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Speaker 7: the country, But actually we're just playing your game for you.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if I want to be.
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Speaker 15: A part of that.
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Speaker 7: So I'd be really interested to see if anyone does
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Speaker 7: pull out. And if you're going to do these things,
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Speaker 7: do them properly, don't make them a choreograph stage show.
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Speaker 7: That's not fair to anyone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, the Treasurer denies that it is predetermined
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Speaker 2: or choreographed. His spokesman said, it should come as no
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Speaker 2: surprise that the Treasury provides advice on issues raised with
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Speaker 2: the government, so that's their.
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Speaker 3: Response to that.
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Speaker 2: Look, one of the things that I that will be
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Speaker 2: discussed next week very controversial is this idea of the
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Speaker 2: electric vehicle road user charge. Now, Matt, a lot of
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Speaker 2: people bought electric cars because you know, they were told
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Speaker 2: that it would end up being cheaper.
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Speaker 3: There were various incentives on the table.
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Speaker 2: But was that misleading because now they're going to have
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Speaker 2: to pay a road user charge?
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Speaker 15: Well, absolutely it is, Shari, And you've also pinpointed I
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Speaker 15: think something crucialist debate. Why does the government want to
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Speaker 15: establish a new tax on people who drive electric cars? Well,
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Speaker 15: at the same time they're massively subsidizing the purchase of
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Speaker 15: those electric cars. I mean, if you're not raising enough money,
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Speaker 15: or if you've got a deficit here for your road
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Speaker 15: budget because of the use of electric cars, how about
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Speaker 15: first just getting rid of the subsidies. The fringe benefit
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Speaker 15: tax subsidy is now costing US five hundred and sixty
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Speaker 15: million dollars a year every year, largely going to people
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Speaker 15: on very good income it costs a lot of money
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Speaker 15: to buy an electric cars, so their benefits are going
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Speaker 15: to largely rich people. And then on top of that,
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Speaker 15: the state governments, who are often the loudest asking for
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Speaker 15: this ev tax, they are almost all of them providing
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Speaker 15: registration discounts on electric vehicles. And so if they want
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Speaker 15: to better, if they want to improve the state budget
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Speaker 15: because of the use of electric vehicles, why are they
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Speaker 15: giving discounts on registration to those same vehicles. Sharing I
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Speaker 15: fear that, like all taxes, you can't trust governments. You
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Speaker 15: couldn't trust them with the incentives they gave you. Now
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Speaker 15: they're going to put in a new perkolormeter tax. They'll
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Speaker 15: say it's on electric cars. They'll say it's just on those.
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Speaker 15: Before you know it, all of us will be exact.
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Speaker 15: We'll be getting our driving tracked and having to pay more.
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Speaker 15: So that's why I'm against new taxes, because it just
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Speaker 15: means new bureaucracies, new ways of governments screwing us all.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I think you're completely right when you
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Speaker 2: point out the contradiction there, that the subsidies on the
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Speaker 2: one hand, now they're taxing it on the other hand.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what is the idea.
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Speaker 2: Do they want more people to take up electric vehicles
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Speaker 2: or not? And Basil, you do get the sense that
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Speaker 2: the government's just desperately looking for areas where it can
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Speaker 2: claw back some more revenue, where it can put more taxes.
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Speaker 7: It does seem to be the way, it doesn't it.
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Speaker 7: They're certainly trying to increase that base, or at least
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Speaker 7: that's how it seems. It's giving with one hand and
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Speaker 7: taking away with the other. And I think you know,
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Speaker 7: for a lot of the people that have gone into
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Speaker 7: EV's they've gone so in good faith. They've gone in
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Speaker 7: with the good intentions. They're trying to do their bit
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Speaker 7: for fewer emissions into our atmosphere, and electric car seems
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Speaker 7: like a reasonable way to play your part. And yet
22:33
Speaker 7: now they're going to be hit or potentially stung with
22:36
Speaker 7: these extra road using charges. So it's totally counterproductive to
22:40
Speaker 7: what it's trying to achieve. It, as Matt said, it's
22:42
Speaker 7: giving with one hand and taking away with the other.
22:45
Speaker 7: Just get rid of the first one and you don't
22:46
Speaker 7: have to do the second one and let people drive
22:49
Speaker 7: the evs until that battery runs out.
22:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Matt's right that you know, it
22:55
Speaker 2: could start off as a road charge just for EV users,
22:58
Speaker 2: and then it could end up being a road user
23:00
Speaker 2: charge for everyone. I mean, and that's one of the
23:02
Speaker 2: good things about Australia is we don't have that. You know,
23:05
Speaker 2: you go to a place like London and some people
23:07
Speaker 2: can't afford to drive into the city because there are
23:11
Speaker 2: those taxes. It's kind of crazy, all right. I'm keen
23:14
Speaker 2: to get both of yours on the gender in school
23:18
Speaker 2: debate that I spoke about a bit earlier.
23:21
Speaker 15: Now.
23:21
Speaker 2: Matt Jacinta Allen was furious to even be asked this question.
23:25
Speaker 3: Today.
23:25
Speaker 2: She attacked the journalism of Rachel Baxendale. She insisted this
23:29
Speaker 2: reporting should stop. I mean, this is censorship of the
23:32
Speaker 2: hard left, isn't it.
23:36
Speaker 13: Well.
23:36
Speaker 15: The reason that Cinda Ellen wants the reporting to stop
23:39
Speaker 15: is because she can't justify this outrageous indoctrination of five
23:44
Speaker 15: year old children. I mean, I don't think there'd be
23:48
Speaker 15: too many victorians out there who think that five year
23:52
Speaker 15: old children should be lectured to about gender, should be
23:55
Speaker 15: spoken to about how their private parts is. What's what
24:00
Speaker 15: they're being towards. Their private parts aren't necessarily correlated with
24:04
Speaker 15: their gender they're assigned at birth. I mean, my god,
24:07
Speaker 15: why are we even talking this. That's why she wants
24:09
Speaker 15: to center this right. You can't explain it, you can't
24:12
Speaker 15: justify it, and so the only way they can keep
24:13
Speaker 15: going with the subsurdity is to try and shut people
24:16
Speaker 15: down and silence people from talking about it. And I
24:19
Speaker 15: think most parents have had enough of this rubbish. We
24:21
Speaker 15: need to talk about this, and we need to say
24:23
Speaker 15: enough's enough. We have declining education standards. We can't seem
24:28
Speaker 15: to teach a majority of our children to succeed at
24:32
Speaker 15: basic reading and writing and arithmetic, yet we're going to
24:35
Speaker 15: teach complex gender theories to five year olds. I mean,
24:39
Speaker 15: what the hell is going on in Victoria. There's a
24:42
Speaker 15: lot more important things to focus on in teaching our
24:45
Speaker 15: young children than this rubbish. They should not be taught
24:47
Speaker 15: this and it should be scrapped.
24:49
Speaker 3: I completely agree.
24:50
Speaker 2: I mean, you just want to protect the innocence of
24:53
Speaker 2: children for as long as possible. I mean, most parents
24:56
Speaker 2: don't even let their kids watch the news, basil, and
25:00
Speaker 2: you've got the premiere having this in the curriculum and
25:03
Speaker 2: thinking it's a great idea.
25:06
Speaker 7: It's outrageous.
25:07
Speaker 15: Just let kids be kids.
25:08
Speaker 7: For goodness sake, five year old kids, We've come a
25:10
Speaker 7: long way as it is. Boys can wear pink, girls
25:14
Speaker 7: can wear blue. Anyone can wear any color they want,
25:16
Speaker 7: any color under the rainbow. Everyone's fine with it, as
25:19
Speaker 7: they should be. Boys can play with Barbie dolls, girls
25:22
Speaker 7: can play with Lego or Tonka trunk. No one cares
25:25
Speaker 7: about any of that stuff. But for goodness sake, just
25:28
Speaker 7: let the kids be kids. Let them make their own
25:31
Speaker 7: learning choices at the age of five, and work these
25:35
Speaker 7: things out for themselves at their own speed. That's what
25:39
Speaker 7: parents and families want more than anything.
25:42
Speaker 2: You just kin'd even imagine how confusing that lesson would be.
25:45
Speaker 3: For UK and year one students.
25:47
Speaker 2: Now, just quickly before you go, I saw this story, Martin,
25:50
Speaker 2: I thought I've got to ask you about it. There's
25:52
Speaker 2: new research out of the United States that says that
25:55
Speaker 2: people who avoid meat are less likely to develop a
25:59
Speaker 2: range of cancers. The study followed eighty thousand plant based
26:04
Speaker 2: eaters for an average of almost eight years each and
26:07
Speaker 2: found that overall, vegetarians at a twelve percent lower risk
26:11
Speaker 2: of developing cancer than meat eaters in the same community.
26:15
Speaker 3: So mat is this enough to make you think about
26:18
Speaker 3: turning vegetarians.
26:20
Speaker 15: Oh jeez, Sharry, I wish you'd told me this before.
26:22
Speaker 15: I just doubt a tour of fifty gram rump here
26:25
Speaker 15: at the at the attacking point tavern, here at Port Macquarie.
26:30
Speaker 15: I'm done for.
26:31
Speaker 9: I'm absolutely done for.
26:32
Speaker 15: But more seriously, char I mean the problem all of
26:35
Speaker 15: these studies quite often have shown to be rubbish a
26:37
Speaker 15: few years later. You know, all these studies saying you've
26:39
Speaker 15: got to do this or that for your health. The
26:41
Speaker 15: big issue that's not spoken about now is there is
26:43
Speaker 15: a serious issue with something called replication in the health sciences.
26:47
Speaker 15: They do one study and have this sort of a result,
26:50
Speaker 15: and then I'll do exactly the same study a few
26:52
Speaker 15: years later and generate a completely different result. That is,
26:55
Speaker 15: they cannot replicate the same results with the same study
26:59
Speaker 15: and same hope. And that's a real problem for science,
27:02
Speaker 15: and a lot of scienceists just gloss over that and
27:05
Speaker 15: don't focus on the fact that maybe we should be
27:07
Speaker 15: taking some of these results with a grain of salt.
27:09
Speaker 3: It does seem to be quite mistake some it does
27:13
Speaker 3: seem to be quite a big sample size.
27:15
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm always skeptical of various studies as well.
27:18
Speaker 2: All right, Matt Canavan, Basil ZAMPLI is great to have
27:20
Speaker 2: you both back as usual on a Thursday.
27:22
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week.
27:24
Speaker 2: Now, let's return to the week's top story, that Albanezi
27:27
Speaker 2: has embarrassed Australia on the international stage after the blood
27:31
Speaker 2: thirsty terror group Hamas praised his move to unconditionally recognize
27:36
Speaker 2: a Palestinian state and then pleased to say. Shadow Foreign
27:39
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Michayley Cash joins me, Now, thank you so
27:43
Speaker 2: much for your time. Well, how much do you think
27:46
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and Pennywog as well are trashing our
27:49
Speaker 2: foreign policy?
27:53
Speaker 5: Well, they've handed Hamas a political victory. That is not
27:58
Speaker 5: foreign policy. Shari, that appeasement. I mean, they have been
28:02
Speaker 5: praised by terrorists, people who kidnap and kill Israelis and
28:09
Speaker 5: other people. I mean, who would have thought in Australia
28:13
Speaker 5: that we would reach the day where a prime minister
28:16
Speaker 5: of this country was praised by a terrorist organization who
28:22
Speaker 5: does not hold the same values as Australians. And yet
28:26
Speaker 5: the thirteenth of August twenty twenty five will now go
28:30
Speaker 5: and will now go down in history. This is now
28:34
Speaker 5: mister Alberanizi's legacy and quite frankly, Shari, he should hang
28:39
Speaker 5: his head in shame.
28:42
Speaker 2: You know, just his response today Michalia. You know, he
28:45
Speaker 2: doubled down on his claim that Hamas didn't want Palestinian recognition,
28:49
Speaker 2: even as more Hamas terrorists were coming out.
28:51
Speaker 3: One gave a.
28:52
Speaker 2: Statement to the ABC, there were others giving statements to
28:55
Speaker 2: other media outlets and they were all applauding him. He's
28:59
Speaker 2: just not aging the reality of the situation.
29:04
Speaker 3: Well, it's actually worse than that.
29:05
Speaker 5: Shahi, the Prime Minister of Australia today got up in
29:09
Speaker 5: front of the media and tried to deliberately deceive the
29:14
Speaker 5: Australian people. But worse than that, he tried to throw
29:18
Speaker 5: a journalist under a bus. The journalists has stood by
29:22
Speaker 5: the story. They received a statement from the office of
29:26
Speaker 5: Hassan Yusef, the co founder of HUMAS. But not only that,
29:32
Speaker 5: the ABC have a statement from the media director of
29:36
Speaker 5: HUMAS openly praising mister Albanesi. I mean, what did mister
29:41
Speaker 5: Albanesi think.
29:43
Speaker 3: Was going to happen?
29:45
Speaker 5: You have given the terrorists what they wanted. I mean,
29:50
Speaker 5: as they said, the recognition of a Palestinian state was
29:54
Speaker 5: one of the fruits of October seventh, twenty twenty three.
29:59
Speaker 5: Mister ab Albanesi, you have rewarded terrorists and how dare
30:04
Speaker 5: you seek to deceive the Australian people by saying that
30:10
Speaker 5: was not true?
30:11
Speaker 3: What a joke, Sary, what a joke.
30:14
Speaker 2: He also accused the media in that press conference of
30:17
Speaker 2: buying into Hamas propaganda. Shocking, isn't it Albanesi who swallowed
30:22
Speaker 2: harmas propaganda when it comes to claims that Israel is
30:26
Speaker 2: to blame for the suffering in Gaza and when he
30:29
Speaker 2: quotes well the death toll as well, which doesn't take
30:33
Speaker 2: into accountment.
30:34
Speaker 5: Now this is mister Alberese's problem. Correct, This is now
30:38
Speaker 5: mister Albanese's problem. Since October the seventh, he has told
30:43
Speaker 5: Australians that what Hamask says is the truth. Figures that
30:47
Speaker 5: are released by Humus ministries, they are the truth. And
30:51
Speaker 5: then suddenly when Hamask come out and say, well done,
30:55
Speaker 5: mister Albanesi, congratulations for actually a awarding us just what
31:01
Speaker 5: we wanted. Following October the seventh, Thank you for giving
31:05
Speaker 5: us exactly what we wanted.
31:09
Speaker 3: It's propaganda.
31:12
Speaker 5: Come on, mister is that a joke.
31:14
Speaker 3: Shari.
31:15
Speaker 5: You don't get to have it both ways. But in
31:18
Speaker 5: any event, doesn't matter what mister Albanese has said today
31:21
Speaker 5: at his press conferences, because he was exposed by the truth.
31:27
Speaker 5: And the truth is not just one member of Hamas Shari,
31:31
Speaker 5: as you articulated, it is now terrorist after terrorist after
31:36
Speaker 5: terrorist coming out and praising the Prime Minister of Australia,
31:41
Speaker 5: and as I said, the thirteenth of the thirteenth of
31:44
Speaker 5: August twenty twenty five will now go down in his
31:49
Speaker 5: This is mister Albanese's legacy and it is not a
31:53
Speaker 5: legacy to be proud of. It is quite frankly, a
31:55
Speaker 5: turning point in Australian foreign policy.
31:59
Speaker 3: A shameful one indeed.
32:01
Speaker 2: Now, Mikhaelia, you and your colleagues in shadow cabinet this
32:04
Speaker 2: week decided that you would reverse the policy if.
32:08
Speaker 3: You are ever back in government in a position to
32:12
Speaker 3: do so.
32:13
Speaker 2: Do you think that other nations, you know, the UK,
32:16
Speaker 2: Canada and France when they have because at the moment
32:20
Speaker 2: the leadership, particularly in Europe, very left leaning. Do you
32:24
Speaker 2: think when there are conservative governments back in place, those
32:27
Speaker 2: positions might be reversed there as well?
32:32
Speaker 3: Well?
32:32
Speaker 5: We'll show it's actually it's a really good question.
32:34
Speaker 3: But I would say this.
32:35
Speaker 5: I would hope that when Marco Rubio, the US Secretary
32:39
Speaker 5: of State, who has been involved incredibly closely in the
32:44
Speaker 5: c Spine negotiations, stands up and says to the world,
32:50
Speaker 5: the day that President Macron of France stood up and
32:54
Speaker 5: said that France is recognizing the state of Palestine or
32:59
Speaker 5: a Palestinian date is the day that Hamas walked away
33:03
Speaker 5: from the ceasefire negotiations in Doha. I would hope that
33:08
Speaker 5: other countries who are also taking this step have a
33:11
Speaker 5: look at the praise that is now being lavished on
33:14
Speaker 5: them by the terrorists themselves. So I would hope that
33:20
Speaker 5: countries do come to their senses. I would hope that
33:22
Speaker 5: mister Albernisi comes to his sense. You know, I don't
33:27
Speaker 5: have a problem if mister Alberanesi stands up tomorrow Shari
33:29
Speaker 5: and says I made a mistake.
33:32
Speaker 3: I made a mistake.
33:34
Speaker 5: We will not proceed at the United Nations with the
33:37
Speaker 5: recognition of a Palestinian state. But the problem is he won't.
33:41
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter that the terrorists are praising the Prime
33:45
Speaker 5: Minister of Australia because as you and I know, this
33:49
Speaker 5: is now mister Alberanizi delivering on one of his university
33:55
Speaker 5: day dreams. He has waited for this day to come.
33:58
Speaker 5: I am so sorry because I know that you are Jewish.
34:02
Speaker 5: I am so sorry that is October the seventh that
34:07
Speaker 5: has now landed us in this situation. But as I said,
34:11
Speaker 5: this is now mister Albanesi's legacy, the thirteenth of August
34:15
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, and he should hang his shd in shame.
34:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really appreciate those comments, Mikaleya, not just
34:21
Speaker 2: for me, but for all Jewish Australians who I have
34:24
Speaker 2: to tell you of finding it really really difficult to
34:28
Speaker 2: live under this pro Palestinian government. It's worse than anyone
34:33
Speaker 2: could have ever imagined it. It's a massive betrayal imagined.
34:37
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary. I mean, you know, criticized, they criticize Israel
34:41
Speaker 2: and have done for a long time, more than they
34:43
Speaker 2: criticize Harmas and wild hostages are literally dying in war
34:48
Speaker 2: crimes in tunnels.
34:49
Speaker 3: It's you know, what can you say?
34:51
Speaker 1: This is?
34:52
Speaker 3: This is the government we're living with. I don't know
34:54
Speaker 3: how we ended up with this government with these two.
34:56
Speaker 3: Lets you close.
34:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, what can we say, Shari, We can actually say
35:04
Speaker 5: to all Australians yesterday was a turning point for the
35:07
Speaker 5: next three years. We now need to ensure that for
35:10
Speaker 5: the next three years we stand up for Australian values
35:14
Speaker 5: and we stand against mister Albanesi and this left wing
35:20
Speaker 5: terrorist appeasing government. Quite frankly, so we all now have
35:24
Speaker 5: a job to do and we need to bring Australians
35:27
Speaker 5: with us. Enough is enough, Albanesi has to go and
35:33
Speaker 5: let's get back to respecting Australian.
35:36
Speaker 2: Values indeed, indeed, which is empathy and tolerance for everyone,
35:41
Speaker 2: and not this racism that has come to define our
35:44
Speaker 2: country and which we're becoming famous for internationally. It's such
35:48
Speaker 2: an embarrassment. Mikayla Cash really appreciate your time and support.
35:52
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right, still to come in
35:56
Speaker 2: the show. The US is demanding Australia step up on defense.
36:00
Speaker 2: We'll get this inside detail shortly. Plus, are we really
36:04
Speaker 2: all alone in the universe? This age old question and
36:07
Speaker 2: it's one that investigative journalist Ross Coulthardt has spent years examining.
36:12
Speaker 3: He'll join me soon.
36:17
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well, the United States Director of National Intelligence
36:20
Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard last week told my friend Miranda Devine on
36:24
Speaker 2: her new podcast that she believes other lifems might be real,
36:30
Speaker 2: and she said she's continuing to search for the truth.
36:34
Speaker 8: Is there anything in the files that you think you
36:36
Speaker 8: could find or you have found nothing that I'm prepared
36:41
Speaker 8: to talk about today. We are continued. I'm just going
36:45
Speaker 8: to say this, Yeah, we're continuing to look for the
36:49
Speaker 8: truth and share that truth with the American people. So
36:54
Speaker 8: do you believe that there could be alien I honestly
36:59
Speaker 8: like my personal belief I have my own views and opinions.
37:03
Speaker 8: In this role, I gotta be careful with right with
37:07
Speaker 8: what I share.
37:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an intriguing conversation. And joining me now
37:13
Speaker 2: is a journalist who's been investigating UAPs unidentified aerial phenomenon
37:19
Speaker 2: for years from a sixty minutes journalist. Ross Courthart is
37:23
Speaker 2: the author of a book cord In Plain Sight and
37:26
Speaker 2: Investigation into UFOs and Impossible Science, and is now the
37:29
Speaker 2: special international correspondent for News Nation.
37:32
Speaker 3: Ross, great to see you.
37:34
Speaker 15: Now.
37:34
Speaker 3: What did you make of these comments by Tulsi Gabbart?
37:38
Speaker 1: Tausi Gabbart is saying, what a huge number of US
37:42
Speaker 1: officials have been saying for the past few years, Sherry,
37:46
Speaker 1: there's a huge sea change happening in American executive government
37:51
Speaker 1: right now. They're suddenly waking up to the reality of UFOs.
37:55
Speaker 1: It all started in twenty seventeen when The New York
37:58
Speaker 1: Times revealed the the Pentagon had secretly been investigating UFOs,
38:04
Speaker 1: and then it's come out more recently that a large
38:07
Speaker 1: number of officials are very interested in the phenomenon, notably
38:12
Speaker 1: most recently Toulsy Gabbart, of course, the Director of National Intelligence,
38:16
Speaker 1: but also Vice President Vance. He admitted very recently that
38:21
Speaker 1: he's been watching a lot of UFO videos and like
38:25
Speaker 1: everyone else, he's intrigued.
38:29
Speaker 2: Look, there have been a lot of calls for the
38:31
Speaker 2: Trump administration to disclose what they know. I mean, this
38:34
Speaker 2: administration promised to be very transparent about classified files before
38:40
Speaker 2: they won office. We haven't seen that transparency yet. Do
38:45
Speaker 2: you expect we're going to or is there a good
38:48
Speaker 2: reason why they haven't disclosed? I mean, where what nine
38:52
Speaker 2: nearly ten months in why they haven't disclosed what information
38:55
Speaker 2: they hold on this topic.
38:57
Speaker 1: I suspect that ninety nine percent of your viewers won't
38:59
Speaker 1: be what I'm about to tell you, Sharry, But I
39:02
Speaker 1: am absolutely convinced, after years of investigating this subject, that
39:07
Speaker 1: the United States really has got information in its files
39:12
Speaker 1: about non human intelligences engaging with this planet, and the
39:16
Speaker 1: Pentagon frankly is flat out lying when it denies any
39:20
Speaker 1: knowledge of such intelligence. I interviewed a guy called David
39:24
Speaker 1: grush Back in June twenty twenty three, who was a
39:28
Speaker 1: former very senior National Geospatial Intelligence Agency officer who used
39:34
Speaker 1: to write the Presidential Daily Brief, and Dave went public
39:37
Speaker 1: with me admitting that he had uncovered evidence of a
39:42
Speaker 1: UAP technology craft retrieval program where craft are secretly being
39:50
Speaker 1: reverse engineered by the US government. Why are they hiding it?
39:54
Speaker 1: I think they're hiding it because they're using the technology
39:57
Speaker 1: to try and develop an advantage over foreign adv ursriies,
40:00
Speaker 1: which is frankly fair enough. I do think, though, that
40:04
Speaker 1: the American public and the rest of the world should
40:06
Speaker 1: have the right to know that we're not alone.
40:10
Speaker 3: It's absolutely fascinating.
40:12
Speaker 2: Ross do you think I don't know if you've even
40:14
Speaker 2: looked into this yet, but do you think Elon Musk
40:17
Speaker 2: might have some information on here as well, because obviously
40:20
Speaker 2: he does have a space company satellite network as well,
40:25
Speaker 2: so he might be tapped into some of this sort
40:28
Speaker 2: of information that people are actually collecting physically.
40:34
Speaker 1: I've been told by people in the intelligence community in
40:37
Speaker 1: the United States that Elon Musk had to be briefed
40:41
Speaker 1: because of his satellite work that he's been doing for
40:44
Speaker 1: the Defense Department. Frankly, one of the things I think
40:47
Speaker 1: Australia has its head in the sand on is the
40:50
Speaker 1: volume and intensity of admissions by the US administration. There
40:55
Speaker 1: are so many people who are now admitting that there
40:58
Speaker 1: is a there there senior whistleblowers coming forward, but also
41:03
Speaker 1: people in government. You've got Cash Petel, the head of
41:06
Speaker 1: the FBI, has pledged transparency and he's got a secret
41:11
Speaker 1: investigation going on into allegations that people have been murdered
41:16
Speaker 1: to protect this secret as well as that John Ratcliffe,
41:20
Speaker 1: the new director of the CIA, he also has vowed transparency.
41:25
Speaker 1: We're holding our breath and not really expecting much of
41:28
Speaker 1: a result just yet. With President Trump, he's been very distracted.
41:32
Speaker 1: But I did an interview with Don Trump Junior late
41:35
Speaker 1: last year and he actually he admitted to me that
41:38
Speaker 1: he is very interested in UAPs and he's very engaged
41:43
Speaker 1: and I get the impression so is his old man.
41:47
Speaker 3: Fascinating.
41:48
Speaker 2: Well, Ross, really great to speak to you, and congratulations
41:51
Speaker 2: again on your book and your in depth research into
41:54
Speaker 2: this topic. Or catch up with you when there's another
41:57
Speaker 2: development on this.
41:59
Speaker 1: Thanks cheryy.
42:00
Speaker 3: All right, still to come.
42:01
Speaker 2: The United States is concerned Australia isn't pulling its weight
42:05
Speaker 2: on defense.
42:06
Speaker 3: We'll get those inside details next.
42:13
Speaker 2: Welcome back with the US Defense Department is increasingly concerned
42:17
Speaker 2: that Australia isn't pulling its weight when it comes to defense.
42:21
Speaker 3: A US official told The Australian. Our allies have to
42:25
Speaker 3: do their part.
42:26
Speaker 2: All countries have political difficulties, all countries have fiscal difficulties.
42:31
Speaker 2: And joining me now is the journalist who has the
42:33
Speaker 2: scoop on this, The Australian's Washington correspondent, Joe Kelly. Joe, Look,
42:38
Speaker 2: can you tell us about how the US is looking
42:42
Speaker 2: to get its allies, including Australia, to play a bigger part,
42:47
Speaker 2: particularly in the Indo Pacific.
42:52
Speaker 16: Hi, Sherry, good to be back on the program. So look,
42:56
Speaker 16: I think in simple terms, the US wants allies like
42:59
Speaker 16: Australia to step up to do more, to share more
43:03
Speaker 16: of the defense burden, and this is because they think
43:07
Speaker 16: that will contribute to a more effective deterrent against Beijing.
43:12
Speaker 16: And I think that's important because I think implicit in
43:15
Speaker 16: that is really an admission that America can't deter Beijing
43:21
Speaker 16: on its own, at least not anymore, and so this
43:24
Speaker 16: really does put a lot of pressure on its allies
43:28
Speaker 16: in the Indo Pacific, particularly Australia and particularly Japan to
43:32
Speaker 16: step up. So we have seen now this new elevation
43:37
Speaker 16: of three point five percent of GDP being spent on
43:41
Speaker 16: defense as the new gold standard. So the Trump administration
43:47
Speaker 16: is not shy about a requesting that, but I think
43:50
Speaker 16: it goes deeper than that too, Shari, and I think
43:53
Speaker 16: really what the administration is trying to achieve is a
43:56
Speaker 16: deeper integration of allies like Australia and Japan in an
44:02
Speaker 16: operational framework, a joint operational framework.
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Speaker 9: So it's not just about.
44:06
Speaker 16: Shared strategic objectives and priorities, it's about an understanding of
44:12
Speaker 16: how they can be achieved in practice. And that's so
44:15
Speaker 16: important when we're talking about Taiwan, because America really believes
44:19
Speaker 16: that in the next couple of years there could be
44:21
Speaker 16: a contingency in Taiwan, and I mean, if that happens,
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Speaker 16: there really needs to be an understanding about what Australia
44:29
Speaker 16: might do. So I've been informed by Pentagon sources this
44:33
Speaker 16: isn't really about asking for a pre commitment from Australia
44:36
Speaker 16: towards supporting the US in Taiwan. It's about getting an
44:39
Speaker 16: expectation of how can we respond to various contingencies that
44:44
Speaker 16: may happen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know under government's past, do you think
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Speaker 2: Australia would be their standing side by side without ally
44:51
Speaker 2: the United States? But you just aren't that confident under
44:54
Speaker 2: the Albanzi government, that's for sure. I mean they've become
44:57
Speaker 2: so close to China that I mean Albaniz, he was
45:01
Speaker 2: just their meeting with President She and he still hasn't
45:03
Speaker 2: even had a face to face meeting with Trump.
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Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary.
45:08
Speaker 2: But Joe, can you tell us about the concern that
45:10
Speaker 2: Australia might not be spending enough on Orcus on the
45:13
Speaker 2: first stage what's known as Pillar one of ORCUS.
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Speaker 16: So, look, this is a huge concern at least of
45:23
Speaker 16: the Department of Defense about Australian defense spending.
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Speaker 9: So this concern has been.
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Speaker 16: Relayed to me in a number of ways, most recently
45:31
Speaker 16: the concern that we can't even afford to pay for
45:33
Speaker 16: Pillar one.
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Speaker 9: So that relates to the.
45:39
Speaker 16: Acquisition of a nuclear powered submarines at least three Virginia
45:43
Speaker 16: class submarines by the early twenty thirties.
45:46
Speaker 9: So, and there's a lot of interest in this Shari.
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Speaker 16: But to me, that comment suggests that one of the
45:53
Speaker 16: things we might expect out of the Orcust review is
45:56
Speaker 16: a request for Australia to pay more. So to me,
46:02
Speaker 16: that was a bit of a marker about that review.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's definitely a problem because we do seem
46:09
Speaker 2: to be relying on Orcus almost almost you know, primarily
46:13
Speaker 2: almost entirely for our future defense, and the government's not
46:16
Speaker 2: investing in other infrastructure or weapons.
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Speaker 3: Joe President Trump and Putin are set to meet in
46:24
Speaker 3: Alaska on Friday.
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Speaker 2: Trump has told the media today that he's going to
46:28
Speaker 2: know very quickly, he said, within two minutes, whether he
46:31
Speaker 2: can reach a deal with Putin. Now, there's been this
46:34
Speaker 2: suggestion that Trump doesn't want to get into the weeds
46:37
Speaker 2: with the territorial deals, that he wants to leave that
46:39
Speaker 2: up to Zelenskin.
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Speaker 3: Putin.
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Speaker 2: But isn't this precisely what needs to be done for
46:44
Speaker 2: a ceasefire to be agreed on, you know, the weeds
46:48
Speaker 2: over who gets what territory and whether there is a
46:52
Speaker 2: concession from Ukraine to Russia.
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Speaker 9: Looks Cherry. I think you're right.
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Speaker 16: At the end of the day, there will need to
47:01
Speaker 16: be some sort of understanding about what's happening with territory.
47:06
Speaker 16: This is going to be one of the key, perhaps
47:09
Speaker 16: the key question when we're talking about some sort of
47:13
Speaker 16: permanent settlement and peace in Eastern Europe. So I think
47:17
Speaker 16: you're right to I identify that. I think the concern
47:20
Speaker 16: that Europe and Ukraine has is Donald Trump getting excited
47:26
Speaker 16: about his meeting with Putin and then seeking to impose.
47:32
Speaker 9: An arrangement on Ukraine.
47:35
Speaker 16: So I think that's why the meeting that Trump had
47:38
Speaker 16: with European leaders was significant. But at the end of
47:42
Speaker 16: the day, I think Ukraine will have to be dealt
47:45
Speaker 16: into the equation and that issue which you've identified is
47:48
Speaker 16: going to have to be solved.
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Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to be solved in this
47:52
Speaker 9: meeting with Putin.
47:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how there's just not as much focus
47:58
Speaker 2: on the loss of life in the Russia Ukraine war
48:01
Speaker 2: as there is in the Middle East. Doesn't that strike
48:04
Speaker 2: you as unusual given this has been running for a
48:07
Speaker 2: bit longer and more than a million people have been killed.
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Speaker 16: Well, I certainly think that Washington hasn't lost a focus
48:19
Speaker 16: on that particular issue. Sharry, It's one of the things
48:21
Speaker 16: that Donald Trump says nearly every time this topic comes up,
48:25
Speaker 16: So that's certainly at the front of his mind.
48:28
Speaker 9: He's trying to ensure that that has a.
48:34
Speaker 16: Broad reach and people understand that when they think about
48:37
Speaker 16: what's going on in Eastern Europe, and certainly the numbers
48:43
Speaker 16: very depressing. It's the bloodiest conflict since World War Two
48:48
Speaker 16: in Europe. So certainly that is at the top of
48:50
Speaker 16: Donald Trump's mind. And remember, he is trying to present
48:53
Speaker 16: himself as the ultimate peacemaker and unifier.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Joe Kelly, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: We're back in a moment.
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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much everyone for your company
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Speaker 2: this week. I see you Monday at eight o'clock. Have
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Speaker 2: a lovely weekend. And here's Paul Murray