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A Star Is Made: McKinstry Heading To Atlanta · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: What would you choose?
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Speaker 2: I mean that's a little tough covering Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 2: You'd look pretty unserious if you're just walking around with
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Speaker 2: like an active player's jersey on. But I kind of
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Speaker 2: have a soft spot for retro jerseys. I don't know
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Speaker 2: for sure if that's eligible here. I think a jersey,
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Speaker 2: you know, I have some a few MLB jerseys I'd
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Speaker 2: like in Nolan Ryan, I think, and that could be
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Speaker 2: that could be Rangers, that could be the sick old
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Speaker 2: Astros ones. Even an Angels one might be kind of cool.
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Speaker 2: Like I think any sort of Nolan Ryan jersey I
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Speaker 2: think would be pretty sick.
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Speaker 1: Can't go wrong there. I would also throw in the Mets.
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Speaker 1: Why not win a championship.
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Speaker 2: Because I don't because I don't like the Mets.
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Speaker 1: That's why, well, you know who, you know what I
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Speaker 1: would choose is probably not eligible. What I would choose
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Speaker 1: would be a Zach McKinstry All Star jersey. You know why,
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Speaker 1: because it's Zach mckinstrey is an All Star. A sentence
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Speaker 1: that I am smiling ear to ear that I get
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Speaker 1: to say because it's it's again. The word unbelievable gets
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Speaker 1: thrown around way too much, but I would definitely say
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Speaker 1: it's safe language to call it inconceivable. At really any
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Speaker 1: time that we've been talking about Zach McKinstry, you know,
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Speaker 1: on this podcast, his tenure as a Detroit Tiger, nobody
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Speaker 1: could have possibly predicted. And it's not like some charity
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Speaker 1: case that he got at it. You could argue he
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Speaker 1: should not be an injury replacement. That's how good he
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Speaker 1: has been. Everybody knows this, but just a little refresher.
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Speaker 1: He's got the two point seven war. He plays all
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Speaker 1: over the place. His highlights are like going to be
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Speaker 1: on the team's montage at the end of this season.
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Speaker 1: You know, whenever that's this season ends, he's going to
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Speaker 1: be heavily involved in that. So the announcement was made yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of cool AJ was talking
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Speaker 1: about behind the scenes, and then uh, and then showing
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Speaker 1: it on the video board there he had himself a
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Speaker 1: little a little curtain call. Uh what was you know?
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Speaker 1: What's what? What is Zach mckinstree All Star? Like you
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Speaker 1: talked to him? What was he like, just like relishing this,
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Speaker 1: you know something?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it had really hit him yet.
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Speaker 2: You know, he was asked that, like has this set in?
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Speaker 2: And he seemed a little bit wide eyed, and he
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Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. That's man, that's a great question.
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Speaker 2: He was kind of laughing. That's obviously really cool for
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Speaker 2: a guy like him, you know, back in Cleveland. We
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Speaker 2: asked him about the possibility and he was like, no,
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Speaker 2: I would not have expected this three years ago, riding
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Speaker 2: the pine for the Dodgers. You know, he's watching these
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Speaker 2: All Star guys play and probably just didn't quite feel
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Speaker 2: that he was at that level. Obviously he's been through
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Speaker 2: a lot since then, had some doubts, had to overcome
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Speaker 2: some adversity. A great story, but more than that, to
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Speaker 2: your point already here like this guy deserves to be
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Speaker 2: in the All Star Game. His wins Above replacement Fangrafts
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Speaker 2: version is now the best on the Tigers two point
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Speaker 2: nine War he has passed Riley Green, and that is
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Speaker 2: ninth best among all position players in the American League.
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Speaker 2: He got twenty guys going to the All Star Game.
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Speaker 2: The guy who's ninth in war should probably be one there.
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Speaker 2: It's still kind of crazy to fathom. It's still a
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Speaker 2: little bit wild to look back and be like, man,
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Speaker 2: what helped this guy takes such a big leap at
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Speaker 2: thirty years old. The fact that he's crushing left handed
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Speaker 2: pitching halfway through a season like this is not just
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Speaker 2: a fluke, I don't think. But it's quite the turnaround,
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Speaker 2: especially in that regard for in the past, we knew
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Speaker 2: he could do some productive things and could be a
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Speaker 2: fun player at times. But to see him become well rounded,
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Speaker 2: to see him remain pretty consistent for the better chunk
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Speaker 2: of ninety plus games, that's a lot to fathom. I
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Speaker 2: can't imagine what it would feel like to actually be
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Speaker 2: Zach McKinstry and be like, oh, wow, this is my
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Speaker 2: life now, and no matter what happens from here, you're
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Speaker 2: always gonna have MLB All Star by your name.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it. Like we've all been through like
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Speaker 1: series stages of life where you just think certain things
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Speaker 1: are for other people, not for me. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: being a thirty three round pick, you know, fire up chips,
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Speaker 1: but like not like Central Michigan is known as a
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Speaker 1: baseball factory or anything like that, like.
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Speaker 2: In the second All Star in the history of Central
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Speaker 2: to come out of Central Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, and so like it's this is something that
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Speaker 1: I'm sure was like unfathomable for the entire like not
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Speaker 1: even worth like dreaming about, see what I'm saying. And
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Speaker 1: and so the fact that he was able to is
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Speaker 1: and was able to accomplish that, it's really cool. And
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Speaker 1: then I didn't look this up. There's probably a way
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Speaker 1: to do it, but it would take some time. But
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Speaker 1: is it possible he might be the most popular guy
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta? And what I mean by that is, so
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Speaker 1: he's going with four teammates to the All Star Game,
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Speaker 1: obviously Hobby Green, School bol and uh In Torres. He
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Speaker 1: used to play for the Dodgers. Mind you, the Dodgers
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Speaker 1: sending a lot of guys to the All Star Game
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Speaker 1: as well. He might know the most people like like
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Speaker 1: like like.
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Speaker 2: They're like that in that discussion, But yeah, he's got.
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Speaker 1: Like actual teammates, though he might have the most, Like it's.
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Speaker 2: Just something the most of those sixteen colds are are gone.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just just just a little food for thought. Uh and
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Speaker 1: and then you know, just kind of tie a bow
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Speaker 1: on the the All Star stuff in general. Obviously we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about it next week and react to how the
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Speaker 1: Tigers were represented in Atlanta, but it did get me.
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Speaker 1: I was like, how, well, what else is there to say? Well,
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Speaker 1: what if there's like a kind of comedic downside to
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Speaker 1: like like all these guys being all the stars, Like
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Speaker 1: what lessons are we gonna like force onto other guys
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Speaker 1: that are just not going to be good good overall?
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Speaker 1: What I mean by that is like Dirk Nowinsky like
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Speaker 1: dark grim Belichick as he goes number two overall, Drkin
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Speaker 1: Winsky isn't like really successful like in the NBA. You
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Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Like, so every European bigs were
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Speaker 1: like overdrafted for years because of the success of Dirk
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Speaker 1: and Winsky. So he ruined it for a lot of guys.
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Speaker 1: So what's been ruined here? I think thirty two year
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Speaker 1: olds expected to have a resurgence. I think Hobby has
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Speaker 1: kind of put them in that category where it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: Hobby Bias did it, how come you can't do it?
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Speaker 1: Joe Smith? You know what I mean? Like it's like
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Speaker 1: there's the blueprint here and we're not recognizing that it's
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Speaker 1: an outlier when really it actually is. Uh one that's
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Speaker 1: actually a little bit more serious. I think Riley Green
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Speaker 1: being a starter and a second consecutive All Star appearance
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Speaker 1: this young I think that's gonna be. That's gonna be
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Speaker 1: part of the Max Clark expectations a little bit. Riley
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Speaker 1: Green number five overall out of high school outfielder, Max
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Speaker 1: Clark number three overall out of high school outfielder. I
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Speaker 1: think I think we're gonna start. I think we're gonna
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Speaker 1: put heavier expectations on Max Clark because Riley Green did it.
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Speaker 1: Why can't you do it? Labor Torres? I think there's
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Speaker 1: a I think people are gonna be looking at one
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Speaker 1: year deals with a little bit more well. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Labor was an All Star you signed you know John
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Speaker 1: Doe here, Why can't why can't this guy do what
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Speaker 1: Labor did. I think that's gonna be like an expectation
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Speaker 1: placed on some of these guys and in school Bowl
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Speaker 1: is such an outlin I really couldn't find one. It's
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Speaker 1: just like, why can't you be Like, we'll talk about
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Speaker 1: school a little bit later, because there is like a
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Speaker 1: simplistic thing to school's excellence that like literally every single
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Speaker 1: little league coach has taught every single pitcher ever, but
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Speaker 1: apparently he's the best at it, So like, why can't
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Speaker 1: you do that? We'll talk about that a little bit later.
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Speaker 1: That's a tease, but uh, but yeah, I mean that
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Speaker 1: that's the thing that's special about this all star group
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Speaker 1: is that there's not a lot of precedent for for
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Speaker 1: these guys for the most part, obviously McKinstry and Bias
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Speaker 1: being the greater example, but tour is to a certain
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Speaker 1: extent too, Like it's just it is relatively uncommon and
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Speaker 1: that's what makes you know, this group pretty unique and
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Speaker 1: special expectations.
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Speaker 2: There can be a downside to that, you're What all
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Speaker 2: this does is it raises the bar for the Tigers,
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Speaker 2: for Scott Harris for like going forward, what was that
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Speaker 2: story like after the Red Sox won the World Series,
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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick the epstein like you're screwed, mm hm, Tigers
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Speaker 2: haven't won the World Series? Yeah, then that comes from like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Max Clark might be screwed a little bit as a
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Speaker 2: result of this, and every one year free agent, like
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Speaker 2: there's the threshold, why are they not a glabor tour
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Speaker 2: as level signing. I think in Detroit fans they're just
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Speaker 2: now beginning to get out of the cycle of like
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Speaker 2: making the video game move because Da've Nebraski made some
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Speaker 2: video games moves. Trading for Princefield, they're trading for David
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Speaker 2: Price signing, you know, Pudge, whoever it may be. I
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Speaker 2: think a generation of fans viewed the game through like, well,
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Speaker 2: why don't the Tigers just go do that? Why don't
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Speaker 2: you just go get Juan Soto whatever, And people are
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Speaker 2: just now kind of cycling and realizing that doesn't really
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Speaker 2: actually happen generally speaking, especially in a market like Detroit.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if that analogy makes complete sense,
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Speaker 2: but I think that's kind of what you're getting at
10:52
Speaker 2: with some of those topics here in it, And you
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Speaker 2: might not be totally wrong. I would think us, as
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Speaker 2: observers and fans analysts whoever, like, we should probably just
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Speaker 2: try to remain rational as much as possible, and that
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Speaker 2: probably go a long way.
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Speaker 1: It would go wrong a long way, and and it's
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Speaker 1: okay to have, like I said earlier, it's okay to
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Speaker 1: have outliers. It's okay to have things that are relatively
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Speaker 1: unexplainable and make them special and not think that it's
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Speaker 1: like a trend or something that can be replicated right right,
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Speaker 1: and and and But some of that stuff will creep
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Speaker 1: up into discussion because again, you're gonna your natural instinct
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Speaker 1: is to always go to the most similar example that
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Speaker 1: that you can pull it from your memory. So I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying those things are going to be a thing.
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Speaker 1: It was a little stilly, but those things are gonna
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Speaker 1: be a thing. And we're going to talk about a
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Speaker 1: possible roster addition, whether there's any merit to it or
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I this is kind of
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Speaker 1: like a part of the podcast where I just kind
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Speaker 1: of present an idea and I just kind of want,
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Speaker 1: like not leaning anywhere or the other. I just kind
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Speaker 1: of want Cody's thoughts and and just like if it's
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Speaker 1: a dumb idea, you could say it's a dumb idea
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Speaker 1: and I won't be offended. But the Yankees recently dfa
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Speaker 1: DJ Lemayhew.
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Speaker 2: That was a.
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Speaker 1: Saga that I had been going on more or less
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Speaker 1: all season, and it got me thinking a little bit.
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Speaker 1: It's just like it would be a cool storybook thing,
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Speaker 1: similar to some of the McKinstry stuff with the CMU connection,
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Speaker 1: Like if le Mayhew could you know, come home and
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Speaker 1: like be a part of like a Tigers team that
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Speaker 1: did something memorable. And I was like, well, let's look
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Speaker 1: at the metrics, like what's going on here? He's a
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Speaker 1: positive war player. Now. I know War's under fire a
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Speaker 1: little bit right now, but he's a point seven war
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Speaker 1: player offensively point five, defensively point four. Not trying to
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Speaker 1: brag here, but like he is a positive player right
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Speaker 1: and they played him, they basically cut him. They need
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Speaker 1: to put Jazz at at second base instead of, you know,
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Speaker 1: playing at third out of position. Le Mayhew last season, again,
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Speaker 1: I'm my following the Yankees closely. Maybe we asked our
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Speaker 1: friends of Pinstripe territory, but le Mayhew last season was
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Speaker 1: five outs above average at third base. He has not
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Speaker 1: played any third base this year. So my question is,
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Speaker 1: is it is it worth bringing in somebody who would
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Speaker 1: be free because he just he just walked away with
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Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars from the Yankees, And could you know,
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Speaker 1: veteran presence spot you defensively like, is it like is
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Speaker 1: it worth it in any fashion? Because like the numbers,
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Speaker 1: the metrics are actually a little bit better than I thought.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't he hadn't played enough to qualify for a
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Speaker 1: lot of the percentile rankings. But his hard hit rate
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Speaker 1: is up. His exit velocities in the red square it
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Speaker 1: up in the red He doesn't chase like there's some
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Speaker 1: good things here. It's not like he's a guy that
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Speaker 1: should retire, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: It feels a little bit like the video game thing
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Speaker 2: we just talked about, right, hometown kid, you know from
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Speaker 2: Metro Detroit, one of the best prospects to come out
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Speaker 2: of Metro Detroit in recent memory. Let's keep a few
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Speaker 2: things in mind here. DJ LeMay, who was dfaid. He's
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Speaker 2: not actually a free agent yet. With the Tigers claim
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Speaker 2: to him right now, they would be the ones paying
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Speaker 2: that twenty two million dollars. That's obviously not going to
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Speaker 2: happen now. After he clears waivers. He could sign a
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Speaker 2: free agent deal if you signed him as like a
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Speaker 2: minor league free agent or something for fun. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he is a right handed bat. You're right,
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Speaker 2: the numbers are better than public perception would maybe lead
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Speaker 2: you to believe. But I don't know. The Tigers don't
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Speaker 2: really need a guy like this, in my opinion, maybe
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Speaker 2: they want a right handed platoon bad. If you make
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Speaker 2: that Dj LeMay, who you bring in a veteran player,
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Speaker 2: it's probably not going to play a lot. You need
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Speaker 2: the right handed back because you need someone to hit
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Speaker 2: left handed pitching. DJ has not actually done that at
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Speaker 2: all in the past two seasons. He does have some
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Speaker 2: defensive versatility, but like, I just don't see it feels
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Speaker 2: like one of those things that would amount to probably
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Speaker 2: more of a distraction to me. Dan, it's worth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's fair. I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: But like the reason that it's even sparked my curiosity,
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Speaker 1: and yes, i've this is assuming he clears the waivers.
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Speaker 1: I guess that that's not a guarantee. At times no
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Speaker 1: one's trying to pay twenty two no. But but like
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Speaker 1: there's he's again essentially a free asset that could you
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Speaker 1: would get your money's worth. I think if you brought
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Speaker 1: him in because you could bring him in for any
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Speaker 1: dollar amount. That's assuming there's not like a lot of competition.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think you can still be a major
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Speaker 2: league quality player. I think he used to play for
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Speaker 2: the Rockies. I think the Rockies should pick him up
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Speaker 2: to try to avoid being the worst team in history.
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Speaker 2: Go back to Colorado.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, different kind of homecoming, different kind of homecoming.
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Speaker 3: Uh so.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, just you know, every now and then, you
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Speaker 1: you know, you get guys that just don't fit in
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Speaker 1: certain roles and it's easier to cut bait than to
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Speaker 1: hang on and and it's not necessarily one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: indictment of what they can and can't do. There there
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Speaker 1: was more of that than I thought when I went
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Speaker 1: and looked into is really large, Uh my larger point.
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Speaker 1: But speaking of you know miners, you know Trey Cruz
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Speaker 1: up in Triple A, old friend Trey Cruz, Like, I
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Speaker 1: just want to mention it. I'll have a lot of auss.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty of guys that cover the Tigers minor league system.
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Speaker 1: But he had himself a really nice season and Triple
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Speaker 1: to me, double A got moved up to Triple A
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Speaker 1: recently with the moves from A to Double A eight
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Speaker 1: fifty six ops Cody and eerie Trey Cruise, that'll do, that'll,
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Speaker 1: that'll play. So I don't know, there may be one
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Speaker 1: of those guys that works as well up at a
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Speaker 1: certain point. He's not young.
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Speaker 2: He's drafts twenty seven, so being twenty six twenty seven
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Speaker 2: in Double A, you should probably have a good OPS right,
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Speaker 2: but it has. He's made clear improvements in his game,
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Speaker 2: and he deserves credit for that. He's been one of
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Speaker 2: the better stories in the Tigers minor league system this year.
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Speaker 2: He's put himself back on the radar too. I don't
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Speaker 2: even know about this season. It would probably take some
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Speaker 2: really unfortunate injuries for there to be room for him,
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Speaker 2: but like even next year he's back on the radar
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Speaker 2: a little bit, or maybe he could even have value
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Speaker 2: to a team elsewhere. Like these things are worth considering that.
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Speaker 2: That's good for Trey Cruz, Who's a player I liked
18:39
Speaker 2: a lot, just the profile when they drafted him, who
18:42
Speaker 2: obviously comes from, you know, a lineage of major league players.
18:48
Speaker 2: It's tough to see twenty seven years old and be
18:50
Speaker 2: like excited, though, But I don't know, we're making comparisons, right,
18:55
Speaker 2: Zach McKinstry just came out of nowhere made an All
18:57
Speaker 2: Star Game at thirty.
18:57
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's it's one of those I
19:00
Speaker 1: just want to give him credit because like, this is
19:02
Speaker 1: something that could have you know, he could not be
19:05
Speaker 1: playing baseball right now, and I think it would have
19:06
Speaker 1: been understandable. It's like, hey man, it's just I'm much
19:09
Speaker 1: not cut out for it. But he's kept with that.
19:11
Speaker 1: Good for him. Uh, And again not a lot of analysis.
19:13
Speaker 1: Jase Young's had a couple of nice days. Just wanted
19:15
Speaker 1: to mention that through the uh, through the course.
19:20
Speaker 2: Of the chase, I believe too, that tilt a little bit.
19:25
Speaker 1: Yes, So if there's if there's something on lock there,
19:29
Speaker 1: I still believe that there is a you know, there's
19:32
Speaker 1: an asset to be had there in Jase Young. So
19:35
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on him. But like if he's
19:38
Speaker 1: if he's showing some real improvements and adjustments, the Tigers are,
19:43
Speaker 1: I don't think going to hesitate to give him another
19:45
Speaker 1: shot here, uh in the second half. So just wanted
19:48
Speaker 1: to make make note of that. All right, So let's
19:52
Speaker 1: transition to more futuristic stuff as we are almost to
19:57
Speaker 1: the quote unquote midway point of the season, and that's
20:00
Speaker 1: this weekend, Cody. This weekend starts the MLB Draft. And
20:05
Speaker 1: you know, we don't do a whole lot of like
20:08
Speaker 1: draft analysis here, just you know, it's just not something
20:11
Speaker 1: that we recognize the people that do that and they
20:14
Speaker 1: do a great job, and we you know, we don't
20:16
Speaker 1: want to try to parachute in and think that we're experts.
20:18
Speaker 2: It's in a lot back in the day when there's
20:20
Speaker 2: nothing else going on, some other things going on this year.
20:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know it's the Joe pick you had
20:27
Speaker 1: called early. Remember Max Clark was uh it was leaked
20:31
Speaker 1: by Jason Beck that he worked out at CA America
20:35
Speaker 1: and it was like, well it was this really gonna happen?
20:37
Speaker 1: Well it did, uh so well nothing. We haven't really
20:41
Speaker 1: gotten a whole lot of that stuff now again because
20:43
Speaker 1: Major league programs a little a little bit more humming.
20:46
Speaker 1: But there are some names I just kind of wanted
20:48
Speaker 1: to throw out there as as some possibilities that I
20:51
Speaker 1: think makes sense for for the Tigers, and the number
20:55
Speaker 1: one name is not I thought it was gonna come
20:57
Speaker 1: up with some original ones and then I google them
21:02
Speaker 1: afterwards after looking at their profile and Tarnedy original Caseon
21:10
Speaker 1: Cunningham is a guy that's been pretty heavily linked to
21:13
Speaker 1: the Tigers, and he's a prep middle infielder. Don't know
21:17
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be a shortstop he's gonna get he's
21:20
Speaker 1: good enough that they're gonna give up whoever drafts him.
21:22
Speaker 1: We'll give him a shot, but he might end up
21:24
Speaker 1: naturally settling in at second base. He's he's considered a
21:29
Speaker 1: more physically mature guy because he's older, like he's nineteen.
21:32
Speaker 1: He's committed to the University of Texas, and he's a lefty,
21:37
Speaker 1: which I think we know Scott Harris is good good
21:40
Speaker 1: for he's considered a pure hitter and has good barrel
21:45
Speaker 1: control and rarely swings and misses. That's on one scouting report,
21:48
Speaker 1: so sounds like a Harris kind of guy to me. Cody,
21:51
Speaker 1: and he obviously plays a potentially premium position. We know
21:55
Speaker 1: that that is a factor there as well. So Caseon
21:58
Speaker 1: Cunningham is one name. Another name. I mean, I would
22:02
Speaker 1: mention this guy if I didn't think it was a
22:04
Speaker 1: fit because it's such an awesome name. How about Cruise
22:08
Speaker 1: school Craft. Cruise Schoolcraft, that's k r u Z school
22:15
Speaker 1: Craft is a lefty out of Oregon six eight cody,
22:20
Speaker 1: six eight, two hundred and twenty nine pounds. He's actually
22:23
Speaker 1: a two way Guy's a prep but he's and he
22:26
Speaker 1: might be a decent bat prospect, but he is a
22:30
Speaker 1: fringe first round whatever prospect because of his arm where
22:34
Speaker 1: he is clocked at ninety seven, So ninety seven with
22:39
Speaker 1: six to eight extension. You can just tell that that
22:42
Speaker 1: would be a talking point. Should should he get what?
22:45
Speaker 1: And he gets drafted wherever he gets drafted. But he's
22:48
Speaker 1: also a prep arm. I'm not sure.
22:50
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he is lefty profiles better than a righty,
22:54
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of out on any prep arms with
22:57
Speaker 2: a first round pick.
23:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree with that. A
23:03
Speaker 1: lot of times abound in the athlete. A lot of
23:04
Speaker 1: times the athletes are these position players. Which, speaking of that,
23:07
Speaker 1: another Oregon kid, Slater de brum, this is the guy
23:11
Speaker 1: I kind of like.
23:12
Speaker 2: I mean, I like Cason Cunningham too. I like a
23:14
Speaker 2: few of the guys in this draft range. And it's
23:16
Speaker 2: hard to know exactly who will fall to the Tigers,
23:20
Speaker 2: but I kind of like Slater de brun This is
23:22
Speaker 2: a guy with sixty five run grade, pretty good hit tool,
23:29
Speaker 2: a little bit in that Max Clark Corbyn Carroll type mold.
23:32
Speaker 2: And although you already do have a guy kind of
23:35
Speaker 2: like that in Max Clark, you're kind of playing poker
23:39
Speaker 2: with the draft here, right. You're trying to acquire as
23:41
Speaker 2: much talent as possible. The Tigers like middle of the
23:44
Speaker 2: diamond athletes. They like left handed bats. I don't think
23:47
Speaker 2: they're going to overcorrect and draft a ton of right
23:50
Speaker 2: handed bats this time, because they already have lefties in
23:53
Speaker 2: their system. The thought is, we want a lot of
23:55
Speaker 2: lefty bats because we want to build a major league
23:58
Speaker 2: team that can have the platoon advantage. Often like there
24:01
Speaker 2: is a little bit of a science to this. So
24:03
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked at the Tigers went left hand
24:05
Speaker 2: to hitter. I wouldn't be shocked if they went middle
24:07
Speaker 2: of the diamond athlete. I think the game seems to
24:10
Speaker 2: be trending back a little bit more toward contact towards speed.
24:14
Speaker 2: You want some players. I'm not a huge build to
24:16
Speaker 2: the ballpark guy, but you want some players who can
24:18
Speaker 2: thrive in the gaps of Camerica. I think Slater de
24:21
Speaker 2: Brun fits that profile.
24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, and since he's from Oregon, he's always a you know,
24:27
Speaker 1: he's a court and he's the same size. He automatically
24:30
Speaker 1: gets like Corbyn Carroll comparisons. How val they are, that's
24:34
Speaker 1: not for me to say, but it always it's always
24:36
Speaker 1: ever minds of type deal And the last one at
24:38
Speaker 1: the top of the draft range ish that I wanted
24:41
Speaker 1: to bring up with Sean Gamble. So Sean Gamble, he is,
24:45
Speaker 1: He's at IMG in Florida, so he's older. Again, I
24:50
Speaker 1: think that could be a thing here. He's nineteen years old.
24:52
Speaker 1: He's committed to Vanderbilt, lefty middle athlete, center fielder, maybe
24:58
Speaker 1: second baseman. Like he's a guy that like he hasn't
25:03
Speaker 1: necessarily tapped into his power yet, which probably means he's
25:07
Speaker 1: not going to profile with much power. But they like
25:10
Speaker 1: his barrel right scouts do, and he runs well as well.
25:14
Speaker 1: So like, there's actually a lot of debate in the
25:16
Speaker 1: community easy and outfield, there is a second basement that's okay.
25:20
Speaker 1: They can be figured out over the course of going
25:22
Speaker 1: through the minor league system. I like, I like Sean
25:24
Speaker 1: Gamble might be like my favorite non cunning Ham if
25:29
Speaker 1: that makes sense for the top of the draft. I
25:32
Speaker 1: think I think that's somebody that the Tigers would like
25:34
Speaker 1: a lot.
25:35
Speaker 2: I just want to say to Karen, it's important to
25:37
Speaker 2: remember what the Tigers have done in the Scott Harris Aarrah.
25:40
Speaker 2: They like to play around with their bonus pool. They
25:42
Speaker 2: like to I mean to look at the Clark McGonagall
25:46
Speaker 2: type thing. Like when McGonagall was drafted. There wasn't a
25:48
Speaker 2: ton of fanfare. But I'm not sure it's just the
25:52
Speaker 2: first pick that matters. The Tigers have four day one
25:56
Speaker 2: picks twenty four, thirty four, sixty two, ninety eight. Especially
26:00
Speaker 2: who they get at twenty four, who they get at
26:02
Speaker 2: thirty four, and how they play that could be interesting. Really,
26:06
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna get a quality player with all
26:08
Speaker 2: four of these Day one picks. Just something to think about.
26:11
Speaker 2: Let's not only focus on the first guy they select.
26:15
Speaker 2: Let's kind of look at the hole because that seems
26:17
Speaker 2: to be part of their draft strategy these days.
26:20
Speaker 1: Yep, very true, very true. It's it's like a pie graph, basically,
26:25
Speaker 1: is how the Tigers look at it. And I'll just
26:27
Speaker 1: say three names, not gonna give any scouts, but three
26:29
Speaker 1: names as well. That would be Carson Brumba, who is
26:34
Speaker 1: a infielder. He's committed to Tennessee. Jack and I try
26:38
Speaker 1: to get this name right, Jack laugh Lamb who is
26:44
Speaker 1: a right handed pitcher committed to Arizona. He's in Arizona
26:47
Speaker 1: as well. And then lastly, Josiah get this one hundred
26:54
Speaker 1: percent right, Harsh Harsh, Heart's horn. It's like hearts.
27:00
Speaker 2: We hope they don't take any of these guys so
27:01
Speaker 2: that they I hope they get some names.
27:03
Speaker 1: That you can say, yeah exactly. Just so those are
27:08
Speaker 1: just three other names I think the Tigers might like
27:10
Speaker 1: at various points in the draft. So there you go.
27:13
Speaker 1: That's our draft coverage, little preview. We will react to
27:17
Speaker 1: some of their picks next week, obviously in addition to
27:20
Speaker 1: a fun weekend or early week in Atlanta. All right, Cody,
27:24
Speaker 1: it is time for our chart Topper of the Week,
27:29
Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings DraftKings Sportsbook. The crown is yours. So
27:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep this simple, Cody, because I don't
27:43
Speaker 1: want to go through this without doing a schooble segment.
27:46
Speaker 1: So we got to do a schoolble segment, and he
27:49
Speaker 1: is our chart topper of the week. He just got
27:54
Speaker 1: changed up in the rotation he could pitch on Tuesday
28:00
Speaker 1: just saying shout out CC Aaron Boone on that one.
28:04
Speaker 1: And Terror Schoolble is pitching the opener of the series,
28:08
Speaker 1: like I said, and Apple TV. I know that probably
28:13
Speaker 1: didn't play to part in it, But did it fit
28:15
Speaker 1: in my mind that the rotation got changed so that
28:17
Speaker 1: Apple TV national broadcast could.
28:19
Speaker 2: Happen somehow ended up on all these national broadcasts.
28:23
Speaker 1: Is a coincidence? I don't know. I'm just pointing it
28:26
Speaker 1: out just in general. But the thing that I wanted
28:30
Speaker 1: to ask you, Cody, because we know we talked about
28:33
Speaker 1: how great he is all these attributes he has, is
28:36
Speaker 1: that his calling card is throwing strikes. That sounds so
28:41
Speaker 1: simple to say his calling card is throwing strikes. He
28:43
Speaker 1: does not walk people. He has fourteen walks in eighteen
28:47
Speaker 1: stars this year, which, as I read it and then
28:50
Speaker 1: as I wrote it down, and then as I read
28:51
Speaker 1: it again, sounds made up. It's not like a real thing,
28:55
Speaker 1: but it is. That is That is Terror Schoolble's line
28:58
Speaker 1: this season, and it got me thinking, like, why doesn't
29:01
Speaker 1: like anyone who's had siblings, That's like, why couldn't you
29:05
Speaker 1: be like X? You know, from your parents or whatever,
29:08
Speaker 1: like can relate to this, But it's like, why don't
29:10
Speaker 1: like are coaches like telling other pictures like why can't
29:12
Speaker 1: you be like terror schooble and she shuts his zone
29:14
Speaker 1: and throw strikes and never walk Anybody like, why can't
29:18
Speaker 1: you just do that? And obviously school is a unique talent,
29:22
Speaker 1: But at the same time, anybody should have like the
29:25
Speaker 1: capability of attacking the zone, because every time we criticize
29:28
Speaker 1: the picture, it's they're not attacking the zone. So it's like,
29:31
Speaker 1: why is this simplistic approach so successful for tech school.
29:35
Speaker 2: That helps have an elite stuff Karen. A lot of
29:38
Speaker 2: guys don't throw strikes at the rate he does because
29:41
Speaker 2: probably two factors. A they can't their command just isn't
29:45
Speaker 2: as good as his. But he had to refine his command.
29:48
Speaker 2: He improved his command, and he was able to have
29:51
Speaker 2: confidence in his stuff, and I think that created a
29:54
Speaker 2: positive feedback loop. So that's the other thing. If you
29:57
Speaker 2: don't have elite stuff and you're tossing over the strike zone,
30:00
Speaker 2: guess what happens In the major leagues? You get hit
30:03
Speaker 2: and when the guys give up some loud contact, they
30:06
Speaker 2: tend to shy Away. We see a lot of pitchers
30:09
Speaker 2: who'd like to nibble around the strike zone, guys who
30:13
Speaker 2: are quality major league pitchers who could maybe be better
30:16
Speaker 2: if they didn't just nibble so much. But there can
30:19
Speaker 2: be a fear in the major leagues of leaving the
30:21
Speaker 2: ball over the plate, and if you don't have Scuogel's stuff,
30:24
Speaker 2: it's a more real fear than ever. Those are some
30:28
Speaker 2: of the factors that go into it. He can attack
30:29
Speaker 2: the strike zone because he has the command to do so,
30:32
Speaker 2: and because he has the confidence that even if he's
30:35
Speaker 2: in the zone, guys aren't necessarily going to be able
30:37
Speaker 2: to hit it. Even at this level, that is a
30:40
Speaker 2: pretty rare trait. That's one of the reasons why he's
30:46
Speaker 2: among the very best in the game.
30:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that the whole time
30:50
Speaker 1: Scott Harris has been and you know aj Hinch too,
30:53
Speaker 1: that's the whole time that they've been on the Tigers,
30:55
Speaker 1: they just like say stuff that they're so simple, and
30:57
Speaker 1: it's like, why don't I look at the game from that?
31:00
Speaker 1: Len lens like a little bit more and Schoolbull is
31:03
Speaker 1: like another example of that where it's just like he
31:05
Speaker 1: just you the only way he can get to him
31:08
Speaker 1: is you have to be as aggressive as he is.
31:11
Speaker 1: It's the only way. Now there are there are there
31:15
Speaker 1: is a team that can be patient with school Bull,
31:17
Speaker 1: or at least has shown some ability to, and that
31:20
Speaker 1: is the Seattle in Mariners, which is why I wanted
31:22
Speaker 1: to bring this up. You know, he had to start
31:24
Speaker 1: his second start of the year. It was in Seattle,
31:26
Speaker 1: you know, you know, homecoming of sorts as well, and
31:30
Speaker 1: I remember thinking way worse about this outing than than
31:34
Speaker 1: I Just look at the box score. He went five
31:36
Speaker 1: and five point two. He allowed three earned runs. He
31:40
Speaker 1: had eight k's in three walks. So the three walks thing,
31:43
Speaker 1: how rare is that? Well, he's only done that one
31:45
Speaker 1: other time this season, and it's actually not the realm
31:49
Speaker 1: for Seattle. Seattle averages just over three point three and
31:54
Speaker 1: a third walks per game overall, that's third in the
31:58
Speaker 1: American League, and then all the road Cody it jumps
32:02
Speaker 1: up a little bit to three point seven walks per game,
32:06
Speaker 1: which is second in the American League. So they they
32:10
Speaker 1: got schoolble deepen counts a little bit last time, and
32:14
Speaker 1: they won that game. By the way, can they do
32:17
Speaker 1: it again? Will that be a thing. So I don't
32:20
Speaker 1: have odds for this, but if I were to pick
32:22
Speaker 1: a player prop that I was interested in, and I'll
32:24
Speaker 1: probably put it on my ex uh on those once
32:27
Speaker 1: those odds are available. But the Schoolble walk rate is
32:31
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting one to follow tomorrow just
32:34
Speaker 1: in general with regards to the game. And we'll see
32:38
Speaker 1: if Apple TV. Maybe I just gave them a free
32:40
Speaker 1: little uh, free little graphic idea because they're usually pretty
32:44
Speaker 1: good about those graphics and stats. So school Ble doesn't
32:47
Speaker 1: walk a lot of guys, but one of the only
32:48
Speaker 1: teams to get on the walk the Manners. So just
32:53
Speaker 1: some something a game within the game to kind of
32:55
Speaker 1: follow a little bit. And also the Tigers, which brings
32:58
Speaker 1: us to our I would say, my pick, my place, what's.
33:02
Speaker 2: What's your actual pick here? What do we got?
33:05
Speaker 1: My actual pick is something pretty simple. Tigers win the series.
33:09
Speaker 1: The Tigers win series at a pret high clip. I
33:12
Speaker 1: don't know if you've noticed right now it is minus
33:15
Speaker 1: two ten. So that is, if you bet two hundred
33:18
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33:21
Speaker 1: that means. And it's actually not a given cody because
33:26
Speaker 1: the Tigers.
33:27
Speaker 2: Pretty the high degree of confidence you're facing a good team,
33:31
Speaker 2: you're gonna face the Uist Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert.
33:35
Speaker 2: I mean, you have screwed go in one of those days,
33:39
Speaker 2: but that's tough.
33:40
Speaker 1: Here's here's one factor though. How many times have we
33:43
Speaker 1: seen the Tigers be a tied team going into going
33:47
Speaker 1: on the road into you know, Washington, or going into
33:50
Speaker 1: Tampa or whatever. And you can kind of tell they
33:53
Speaker 1: have the rest advantage because the Seattle Mariners are playing
33:56
Speaker 1: tonight and then in New York and then they got
33:59
Speaker 1: to fly to Detroit and then you know, and then
34:02
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34:05
Speaker 1: the mound. So maybe that's a factor as well. But
34:08
Speaker 1: the Tigers are two and three in series in which
34:10
Speaker 1: Schooble is the opener. Just a stat that's pretty meaningless,
34:14
Speaker 1: but just something that I looked up, just wanted to
34:17
Speaker 1: share with you guys. So that is our pick, my
34:20
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Speaker 1: And I'll just wrap up with this Cody if you're curious,
35:26
Speaker 1: the al MVP talk gets, you know, especially with Seattle
35:29
Speaker 1: versus New York like Rally versus Judge. Schoogle is plus
35:35
Speaker 1: nine thousand for MVP right now, so that's a pretty
35:38
Speaker 1: distant underdog. He is, however, minus two sixty uh for
35:44
Speaker 1: cy Young, and I think that's still there's still a
35:49
Speaker 1: lot to be decided in the Cy Young race. I
35:50
Speaker 1: don't feel minus to sixty confidence just because there's a
35:53
Speaker 1: lot of Zago picture in America League, like we said,
35:55
Speaker 1: like we said last week, but I would like to
35:57
Speaker 1: see terror School be a part of the conversation in MVP.
36:00
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he deserves it, that's the
36:02
Speaker 1: number one thing. But it's going to be hard to
36:04
Speaker 1: overcome an historic catcher season and then the perennial, you know,
36:08
Speaker 1: kind of one of the faces of the game.
36:10
Speaker 2: So I don't think the al MVP race is going
36:14
Speaker 2: to be very interesting this year. It would take Aaron
36:17
Speaker 2: Judge not falling off a cliff metaphorically but maybe literally
36:21
Speaker 2: to make this interesting. I mean, Raley's got a claim too,
36:24
Speaker 2: but Aaron Judge is at seven point two War at
36:26
Speaker 2: the All Star break, and then Kyle Roley of course
36:29
Speaker 2: having a great season, even if he's already a good
36:32
Speaker 2: bit behind five point eight War on fangrafts. Those two
36:37
Speaker 2: are the guys it's going to take a lot to
36:40
Speaker 2: even enter the mix with them. If one of them
36:44
Speaker 2: somehow fell out of the race, like literally an injury,
36:48
Speaker 2: maybe a pitcher could enter the mix. They probably take
36:52
Speaker 2: take Judge, who's already got this huge war lead falling
36:54
Speaker 2: out of the mix. School maybe should be in the discussion.
36:57
Speaker 2: If you want to have a top three, top five,
37:00
Speaker 2: have discussion. But the man, this is a two horse race.
37:05
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean that's uh. I love Aaron Judge,
37:09
Speaker 1: but I also think Raley should be getting more Like
37:13
Speaker 1: it's like it's cute, that's the way people talk about
37:16
Speaker 1: It's like does he really have a chance. I think
37:17
Speaker 1: he should have legitimately have a chance. That's my opinion.
37:19
Speaker 1: He plays catcher, he's don't.
37:21
Speaker 2: Think we should rule him out. Also think Darren Judge
37:24
Speaker 2: has a four to sixty eight on base percentage, like
37:27
Speaker 2: he's a.
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Speaker 1: Second place team Just saying, anyway, anything else, Cody before
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