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David Bunton: The Showdown | Furnace Fest 2024 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Welcome to the Black Sheep Podcast. Today we have David Button from the Showdown
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  Legendary The Showdown. Now, you might all be asking yourself, man,
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  why did it take so long for the Black Sheep to get David Button on?
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  And you know what, we were probably asking that same question, except
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  we weren't because we actually already had David Button on, but we completely forgot
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  to release the episode because Mason and I are a bunch of absolute dinguses and
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  I feel terrible about it. You don't need to take you don't need to
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  take responsibility for this, Colin. It was totally my fault. I just
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  could have swore my file transfer thing actually happened, and I guess not.
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  But you had You had nothing, You had nothing to do with it,
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  Colin. Yeah, but I should have. I should have realized that we
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  never actually released it. You don't. You don't need to. You don't
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  need to like be like Jesus right now and try to like, you know,
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  oh, I died for mason sins right now, like that's that's not
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  what I wasn't your responsibility, you don't. You don't have to be the
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  scapegoat. Yeah, so, David, uh, we are sorry, but
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  uh, how you How are you doing? Man? Man, I'm doing
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  I'm doing well, doing well, just like just working living. I've got
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  middle school kids, one in middle school, want about to be in middle
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  school. Sorry I'm sorry. Yeah, no, they're they're champions. Jamming
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  around a little bit with the Showdown. We're getting ready for a Furnace Fest
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  twenty four and jamming around a little bit with Hope Defer. Hell yeah,
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  what a what a what a life man? You're living right now. You've
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  got You've got little hellions running around you. You you play in two bands
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  full of hellions. Your life is just is just exactly how I picture your
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  life a picture of my life. Yeah, I mean the jamming is is
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  in very small portions of my life. But I mean I obviously wish I
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  could do it a way more, but get to do it just enough to
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  where it is is a lot of fun. Hell hell yeah, Mason,
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  do you have do you have something you want to ask it? You look
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  like you were about to interject, but you're still eating, Like sorry,
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  eyefucker, I am Yeah, this is just like total like white trash kind
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  of podcast. Just eating on my own podcast forgetting to release episodes. I
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  mean this is we're professacon collar going on right now. I mean, geez,
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  everything you're falling apart. Truly, truly, it's the story of my
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  life. But David one of the cool things, even though we did not
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  release uh the last episode that I guess we did, but what like,
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  we did that because we knew you were gonna be at furnesce Fest, you
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  know, hanging around doing the thing, and so we were super stoked to
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  see you hang out and you know, we got to chat for a little
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  bit. But yeah, what was it like last year? For for instance,
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  was that your first furnace Fest by the way, last year, No,
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  the year before that's when they played Well, oh that's right, God,
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  that's right. So you're like a veteran at this point for ince Fest
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  and now that you guys are gonna be playing again. Yeah, I went
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  to the very first furnace Fest. So what was that two thousand, right,
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  Uh, well, the first of the reiteration. Yeah, the first
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  of the reiteration. So and I went to that one and then we played
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  twenty two, and then I just went last year again and then we had
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  my wife and I had tickets for this year, but then out of nowhere
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  in February they asked us to play, so it was like, holy crap,
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  Yeah, we're into that. So when you guys played last though,
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  it was bonkers in there. I mean everyone was into it and it it
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  honestly like it was a shock. Definitely not we We're definitely not expecting that.
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  And you know, like we haven't as the showdown. That was the
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  last time we had played together until like since we played Furnace Fest. When
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  we walked off stage, we hadn't struck a note together until three weeks ago.
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  Oh jeez. So like yeah, I mean like we haven't really been
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  doing anything since then. Yeah. So to get the offer and to like
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  you know, have a reason to like come together and be like all right,
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  let's carve some time out, let's jam, let's hang, it's like
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  a really it's cool because it gives us a reason to you know, be
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  together. But then also like we're gonna play it again, which is a
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  dream come true. Like it was awesome to do it the first time,
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  and it's like, man, I'm so glad they ask us back. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I think the reason they ask you back is because they're like,
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  we want the guy who has the best Gary Busey face up on.
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  Yes, yes, did Chad reimburse you for your tickets? By the way?
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  Oh no, no oh what the hell? D you're just eating that.
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  We did it. We rereathed it well, and we had we we
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  had already bought tickets when we played in twenty twenty two as well. So
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  are you guys up on this deal or are they up on this deal?
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  We're look, I mean, I'm we would have done it. We would
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  have We want to go so bad and just be a part of it,
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  like we love the festival, like w It's kind of like our thing,
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  like every year that we do. So you guys are like celebrities there.
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  I mean you guys, you guys walk amongst the crowds and everyone's you know,
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  they're all over you guys too, So it makes sense. I mean
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  I don't know about that. I mean every time I saw you, there
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  was like ten people talking to you. So I still remember Colin and I
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  were waiting in life. It may have been the first or second first blind
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  Colin and I, Yeah, we're waiting in line for the blind Side vinyl
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  that got released at from This Fast. And I remember Colin like pointing out,
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  you know, we're like towards the end of the line, and Colin
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  pointed out and was like, I think that's the guy from Showdown, so
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  like and and you had like a whole you had a whole posse around you
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  too. It was like, oh my nine am, Like geez, I
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  didn't realize that Mono versus Sterio really pulled that kind of crowd. I don't
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  know. I mean, I don't know, like I'll just I like to
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  hang out. Yeah, so I mean that's because we're a good hang man.
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  That's probably why. I mean I like to hang out, like I
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  don't think I'm cool. So you know, that's whatever. But did you
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  did you at least ask if hope DeFord can also play to reimburse you for
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  your ticket prices. I did not ask for that. You should you should,
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  I should have. I believe we got put in the mix at some
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  point somewhere along the line, but it didn't work out. But it's hope
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  Deferd is like happening and hope to play some shows. Like it's crazy because
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  the last time I talked to you guys, you know, we were kind
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  of kind of going through the whole thing and the rigormarole of Hope defird was
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  like as a backstory to people listening when we talked last time, I had
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  never met them before. Yeah, like I never met Hope any of the
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  guys, like, and it was kind of a weird thing because it was
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  like Andy's one of my favorite guitar players. The Famine Embodiment my favorite bands.
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  So it was just like a it was just like I just kind of
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  like happened into the band. They let me like join it. It was
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  like super crazy. So since then, like I went to Texas and hung
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  out with those guys and like we're in the process of recording the record right
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  now, and I went down there when they were when when they were in
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  the process of recording drums and finally got to meet everybody hang out for the
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  first time. And dude, it was so sick. It was like like
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  I felt like I was in the band, like you know what I mean,
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  Like these guys are so cool, Like I felt like I've always been
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  jamming with them and always been hanging with them, and it was just like
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  the they were so nice to me and it was so natural, like I
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  can't get over it. It was like a best case scenario. I mean,
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  you just never know what you're going into. I mean, everybody's always
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  been cool on the phone and texting and this and that and the other.
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  But I'm super pumped. Hell Like I'm not like I was like super pumped
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  on the music before that, but like now it's just like I'm just super
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  pumped to be a part of it, Like you know what I mean.
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  Like and that's that's that's that is a super cool feeling. So yeah,
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  it's almost got at least from my point of view, it almost has like
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  supergroup vibes, and it's a it makes sense to me, you know.
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  It's it's like it's more obviously I would say, like in a niche,
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  but it's it's definitely supergroup vibes to me, and it I love a good
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  supergroup. Well I never thought that I would be. I don't feel like
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  a super group person, but I feel like I sing with people that I
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  really like, respect and look up to that have been made music that have
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  deeply impacted me on a big level. It's like, you know, like
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  Andy and John, the other guy in the band, he plays the guitar,
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  he was in the Famine, and then Derek that plays drums and Jason
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  that plays bass. They were an embodiment as well. So it's like I
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  have a lot of respect for those dudes and have been fans. I mean,
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  I've got just on my wall just hanging out Embrace the Eternal. No
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  big deal. But it's just so random. No, And the thing is,
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  nobody displays CDs. It's if you're going to display any sort of music,
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  it's Vinyl. Right. The fact that you've got just a CD being
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  displayed, I'm like, God, that that feels very nineteen. It's not
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  the album Marge or anything like that. It's just the CD with the lavender
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  top. Yeah, just so I don't forget, like just to keep the
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  vibes right. No, I mean, like that is that is cool?
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  You know what I mean. It's like so very passionate about about the music
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  that's going down, very pumped on the work. You know, how it
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  works and how it's been kind of going like you know, I'll there's riffs
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  that are sent back and forth. I've worked on some lyrics and some vocals
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  send them back a lot of times. I mean Andy is really good at
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  lyrics and vocals, so and he'll send them back. I'm like, oh
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  my gosh, that's so much better because I mean, it's just he's just
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  got an ear for it, you know what I mean. So it's like
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  one of those things where actually everybody, everybody's doing everybody has their strength there.
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  But yeah, I mean, I'm really pumped on it. I can't
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  wait to wait to get it released. We're doing they've already done, We've
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  already done the drums and getting ready to start doing guitars, and we'll probably
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  be doing vocals and stuff this summer. So hopefully we have something people can
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  listen to after three years of waiting or you know, whoever's waited, actually
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  have something that people can hear, which is super exciting, exciting for me
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  for sure. Yeah. Yeah, the stuff I've heard is absolutely incredible and
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  I am filled with anticipation, which is why I asked you about that.
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  You know, almost right off the bat here. Most people know you though
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  from the Showdown, which, like we said, if you saw them two
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  years ago, absolutely incredible show. I think I think Mason kind of wanted
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  to go through a little bit of the brief history of the Showdown and kind
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  of how you guys are the second time for the second time so, Mason,
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  where you want to Where do you want to start with this? Yeah,
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  well, let's just let's talk about kind of the beginning of how shown
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  formed. You know, a lot of times when we talked to bands,
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  you know, from kind of this scene, a lot of times it's like,
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  hey, we're just you know, small town or whatever, and we're
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  just like some guys that wanted to hang out and play some music and then
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  all of a sudden, like turned into a thing. Was that the story
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  behind Showdown? Like, you guys were just some friends in high school or
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  whatever, and it all of a sudden, next thing, you know,
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  you're you're twoing around the world or what was that? What's the story there?
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  Yeah? Pretty much. I mean, like we started playing music together
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  and in high school some of us and then the core kind of group that
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  turned into Showdown. The Showdown started playing together like when we were like freshmen
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  in college, like first year of college. We were at that time,
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  we were like a new school punk rock band. Like we really idolized slick
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  shoes, like that was our game, you know what I mean. Our
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  dream was to be on tooth and nail. We had a song on nothing
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  says all of you like punk rock. Betty Rocket Records was like the biggest
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  thing that ever happened to us, and that was kind of our game.
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  And so we played a lot of local shows, played a lot of regional
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  shows. I got into booking bands in the Tri Cities area where in Tennessee
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  where we lived, like in the northeast section of Tennessee, would bring in
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  bands, you know that we just wanted to play with and wanted to see.
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  And you know, from there, we kept on playing and kept on
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  recording, and we put us a couple songs on MP three three dot com
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  and Brad from mono Verse Stereo heard it and reached out to us, and
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  so we that's kind of where it all started. So we started playing around.
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  We started playing in ninety nine and we just played so much by two
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  thousand and four, that's when we got signed, did our get, did
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  our deal, did our album, and then went on our first tour the
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  fall of two thousand and four, and then we went full time, pretty
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  much full time touring and playing until about twenty ten. So yeah, it
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  was kind of like we played a lot locally, but then when it happened,
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  it just went crazy. So when did the one did the shift from
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  like that new wave punk that you're talking about, or not new wave punk,
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  but you know, you know what I mean, from a more punk
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  band to a more melodic, metalcore ish kind of band. Like when did
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  that change? I would say probably around like two thousand and two, Like
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  that's like when you know, we went to a Cornerstone, got exposed to
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  a lot of different types of bands. I'd never really seen. Our guitar
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  player, Josh, he's super He's always been super tapped into like metal.
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  He loves metal. That was like his thing. He had like Pantera tapes
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  and like he had like all of the Solid State, you know, bands,
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  and he was always listening to that stuff, which was just like not
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  really our game, you know. We went to I went to Cornerstone that
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  year and kind of saw some bands. One band that I saw was called
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  Anna Avea. They were like it was like, oh my gosh, you
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  know what I mean, Like they were great, Yeah, a great band.
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  And then saw a bunch of other bands that year, Ludacrous and Zao
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  and you know, just suff like that, and it just started getting more
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  and more exposed and beloved was kind of local to us there from North Carolina,
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  so just the more it was just like a gradual getting into that type
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  of music and then singing under oath and just there were so many bands that
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  were coming out of North Carolina that was close to us that we like I
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  saw between the Barry to Me's first show. Damn like ever like that.
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  I mean not that I even like, I'm not like trying to flex,
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  but it's just like when we get it, we get it. North Carolina
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  was stacked with that music, yeah, back in the day. So it
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  was just like it was just natural natural thing to get more and more into
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  that music. And then when Josh realized I could scream, started working and
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  doing the whole like, oh, we're gonna pop a little breakdown into this
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  punk rock song. When did you realize you could scream? Yeah, when
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  Josh started like playing like a Ze song at practice and it just came out
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  of you. Yeah, I just started like doing it. Now. It's
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  just like some people call that demonic possession, but I guess for it was
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  talent. Yeah, I mean I've been told that before. I'm more than
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  once. Yeah, in the crowd that those you group moms, they they'll
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  they'll keep things straight. Oh yeah, I mean, just imagine me and
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  the harassment I got for wearing a get Up Kids shirt when I played drums
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  in the Praise Band. I mean, those satanic get up kids. You
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  know, I've been fighting the good fight one but still still out here.
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  You know, we're here, we're jamming for the Lamb, and nobody stopped
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  for the Lamb. Why have I I heard that either, and nobody's gonna
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  stop me. They tried. Oh, we definitely have to make shirts that
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  say jamming for the wa Lamb. And then we'll put David button, you
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  know, as a quotation mark on there. Yeah, him hanging on across.
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  Don't do that, dude. We had we have I've got him somewhere
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  and there may be somewhere online. One I think it was Cornerstone two thousand
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  and six. We had these gigantic foam hands printed and we put the Showdown
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  Jamming for the Lamb oh six on them and like passed them out and like
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  you know, we literally sold him for like two bucks so people will like
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  have them in the crowd or were playing. It was so much fun.
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  Colin would buy that for two hundred dollars. Now, absolutely, I would
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  jamming for the lamb. Yeah, did you come up with that on your
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  own? No? Would you find that? Was that some youth group thing
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  from way back? It's like an eighties thing, like it said, like
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  an eighties thing people used to say. I mean, I have come up
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  with some in the reason like dread for the one who bled, uh faster
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  for the master keys for the least of these. How did you not end
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  up as a youth pastor? Yeah? No shit. The closest that Colin
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  and I ever got to that our youth group room was or so our youth
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  group was called boom. Colin, what was it? What did it standford
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  again? Broken open obedient messengers? So boom is what it was. So
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  obviously the youth group room was called the boom room, which like if you
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  have ever seen Jersey Shore, they're they're like sex room was the boom boom
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  room? And so what like when Jersey Shore came on TV, it was
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  like, oh god, I it never occurred to me, how like sexually,
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  like how much of a sexual innuendo? This this name of our youth
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  completely unintentionally Yeah, oh my gosh, Yeah, that's funny. I mean
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  there's you know, it could have been in the boom Room extreme extreme.
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  I mean there's just so many without the E. Yeah. Yeah, my
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  sister went to a youth group called U Turn because you got to make a
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  U turn in your life and go down the right path that you know,
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  we're still I'm still here, heck you So what at what point did you
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  really kind of get the sense you know you're talking about like obviously you guys
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  got signed to Mono versus Sterio. Was there a sense you know, again,
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  you guys are coming from like small town Tennessee, you know, and
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  I don't know like how many other bands are coming out like out of your
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  town or like how many other people you know. At that time, they
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  were like oh they're gonna like go on tour and it's like a big deal.
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  Like did you get a sense of like, oh, wow, like
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  this this could actually be my job because you were talking about like you guys
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  were doing this full time, like it was your full time job for six
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  years. Did you ever get to a sense of like, oh, like,
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  this is this is what I do. Like all my other friends like
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  they're going to like college or they're like getting some like other job or whatever,
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  and it's like your job is to play music professionally in a metal band,
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  And I don't know, like, was there ever a sense that like
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  that became a reality for you? Uh? I mean no, not really,
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  because like I mean, we were just doing it, so that was
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  our job full time, but like we were full time rough in it,
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  you know what I mean. Like we were just like right on the edge,
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  you know what I mean of like this could maybe make a living.
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  We're definitely floating, but we're all young. We don't have a lot of
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  responsibility, so let's just stay on tour. And we had a lot of
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  opportunities to go on a lot of awesome tours and we were able to stay
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  on the road. But I mean to kind of circle back, like before
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  we kind of or at least for me, I'm not gonna speak for everybody
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  else, but it's like I think there was definitely a time where I kind
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  of had decided before we recorded The Course of Obliteration. By that point,
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  I was like about to graduate college, and I was like, yo,
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  I've saw my favorite bands live before, and like there's only been thirty people
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  there. Yeah, like I can't legitimately make a living doing this, and
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  I just kind of like resolved of like, Okay, well this is probably
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  not ever gonna happen, and then all it just randomly did, and it
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  was just one of those things where it's like, Okay, monta Verse Saria
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  wants to make a record, Yeah, that'd be cool. Oh they want
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  to do it with Barry Pointer, Like, oh my gosh, that's the
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  guy that did ZAO Sick. I can't pass that up. And then it's
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  like, you know, we got that one tour, and then we just
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  kept getting tours and kept getting tours and kept getting tours. So it's not
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  like it never really felt like it was like one of those things where it
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  was like, this is our job. I'm in a metal band. It
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  was just like the struggle and fight to like stay on tour at all costs
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  because like the minute that we're not on tour would literally be the minute that
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  I'm now I'm working at El Chico right, which is what which is what
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  I did? Like event like after we recorded Backbreaker, I think we went
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  on tour with like Shadows Fall, we went on tour with somebody else,
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  and then we just didn't have a tour and we didn't have anything scheduled for
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  like until October of that year, and it's like, well, what am
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  I going to do from April until October? I'm like I have no idea,
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  Like what am I going to do? So I just went and got
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  a job. You know. I have to say I feel partially responsible because
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  I definitely downloaded back Breaker. Yeah, no, I mean, and I'm
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  sorry, man, you know, I feel like if I could have bought
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  some shirts, I would have bought some shirts. But and that's the thing
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  is is like that's not like I don't mean this as a victim statement.
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  No, Like I'm talking about like that's that is what it is. That's
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  what heavy metal is, and and punk rock you've gotta be willing to do
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  that and to grunge it, and you gotta be okay with it. If
• 27:18
  it's not a living you just have to love it. And like we loved
• 27:22
  it, like yeah, we were just pumped on it. You could tell.
• 27:27
  Yeah, I mean there was like, okay, maybe a brief window
• 27:30
  of time when we did Temptation Come Away, we kind of maybe thought we
• 27:34
  were gonna be the next Nickelback for like five minutes. But like we guys,
• 27:40
  aren't you guys aren't douchey enough though, but we like got over that
• 27:45
  really quick, you know what I mean. Sure, I mean, it's
• 27:48
  it's weird whenever you have a lot of people telling you things like we definitely,
• 27:53
  I mean, this is the very small version of everything that happened.
• 27:59
  But there there was like, Okay, we're we do a chorus with our
• 28:04
  friend Jeremiah the next record, we're doing it with the guy who's produced Third
• 28:10
  I Blind or not third I Blind? God? What's that crypt? Three
• 28:18
  Doors Down? Yeah? And then you know, after that, it's like
• 28:23
  they don't you know, it was like, Okay, we're gonna go back
• 28:26
  to rock and roll the basement and record with Jeremiah again. And uh,
• 28:33
  yeah, I'm glad we did because that's my favorite record that we did.
• 28:36
  I love Backbreaker. So yeah, it all worked out. I mean,
• 28:41
  yeah, it's cool that you downlad, I'm just glad you listened to it
• 28:45
  well. Saying that poor little old me didn't even have the opportunity to be
• 28:51
  able to buy your record because I was so far away from civilization. Oh
• 28:56
  no, Mason, Yeah, that that is true. Here here's what I
• 29:00
  will say, David, is even though we uh probably downloaded your music illegally,
• 29:07
  we didn't make or at least I made my dad a fan of the
• 29:11
  showdown. He specifically, so my dad's big idea. That's that's okay,
• 29:15
  I'll give you credit for but my dad's a big Harley guy and so and
• 29:19
  I always forget the name of the song, but like there, you know,
• 29:22
  he's got that song right, like it is it is it man Made
• 29:26
  in Hell or whatever? Named Hell? Yeah? Man, yeah, man
• 29:30
  named Hell? Is it that one that starts out with the the the Harley?
• 29:33
  Yeah? Yeah. So like my dad, like he's not into like
• 29:37
  heavy metal stuff at all, at least not like the metal core kind of
• 29:41
  stuff that Colin and I love. If you grew out your hair, he
• 29:44
  might would be maybe yeah maybe, but he he uh, but he's still
• 29:48
  like just because of the Harley riff at the beginning, he's just like,
• 29:51
  oh yeah, this is sick. I truly believe that it is the greatest
• 29:56
  intro to any album ever. I do think you guys, really, you
• 30:00
  guys should like just one of you just like come out. You know you're
• 30:03
  gonna be playing furnace fst Like, when's the next time you're ever gonna play
• 30:06
  again? Just come out on stage. Uh, you know, especially if
• 30:10
  you guys are playing the Shed, just come out on stage on a Harley
• 30:12
  and then just like go into that riff just the same exact way. That
• 30:15
  would be sick. People would be like, people would be freaking out.
• 30:21
  We unfortunately we don't play anything off that record. Yeah, but you could
• 30:26
  just play that song that one time and come out on stage with that,
• 30:30
  that would be sick. People would be like, what the hell? That's
• 30:33
  amazing? Why why don't you play anything off that record? Is it just
• 30:37
  I love you you immediately like you immediately, like your eyes get big and
• 30:41
  you're like I can't wait to ask the hard questions. No, we would,
• 30:49
  I mean, obviously it would be great if we could come out on
• 30:52
  a Harley. I don't think any of none of us guys that play in
• 30:56
  the band now we ride motorcycles. To the dudes that did when we did
• 31:00
  that record, like Patrick and Jeremiah, Uh, they were definitely like motorcycle
• 31:04
  riders big time. They love that game. They were all about that life
• 31:10
  there that that influence that's on that record is definitely a lot from them for
• 31:18
  sure, not so much from me. I don't ride all ride bicycles.
• 31:27
  Yeah, with with the with the sample of the Harley in the background have
• 31:33
  like a little like baseball card and the spokes, you know, right exactly,
• 31:37
  But no, I mean we we don't actually, we just don't play
• 31:40
  anything off that record. None of the guys that like the original lineup other
• 31:48
  than me really and and Josh right now. Josh unfortunately he doesn't play with
• 31:52
  us right now. So me and Josh were on that record together, but
• 32:00
  none of the other guys like Travis, Andrew or Eric. They were on
• 32:06
  Chorus Temptation and then Eric and I were on Backbreaker, So it's like Eric
• 32:15
  and I were on Backbreaker, Travis and Andrew were excited about playing some of
• 32:22
  the songs off Backbreaker, and they were a part of the other two records.
• 32:25
  All of us, all four of us were a part of the other
• 32:28
  two records, the first two. So it just doesn't really, it didn't
• 32:32
  really, it just didn't really make sense. Like I'm the I mean,
• 32:37
  there's not a connection with the music as a whole to play those songs live.
• 32:45
  But you know that doesn't mean I'm not I'm proud of it. Yeah,
• 32:50
  like I'm I'm definitely proud of it. I'm proud of my vocal performance
• 32:54
  I'm proud of, Like you know, I mean, just like any record.
• 32:59
  I mean, there's some song that I don't like, there's some songs
• 33:01
  that I do, but you know, I'm super thankful for that time.
• 33:05
  And you know, especially like that record would not have happened if it weren't
• 33:12
  for the other guy's involvement. So I can't hate that, you know what
• 33:15
  I mean? You know, you know, kind of speaking of you alluded
• 33:19
  to that there are some songs you don't necessarily like on every record? What
• 33:22
  do you do with those redheaded step Children songs? Like? Like, how
• 33:25
  how do you go about them? When someone says, hey, like this
• 33:29
  is my favorite song and you're like, yeah, you know, like how
• 33:32
  how do you view that personally? How how do I view that? If
• 33:38
  somebody asked me to play like my favorite song and I don't like that song?
• 33:43
  Yeah, Like like what do you think about the songs that that are
• 33:47
  maybe not your favorite? Like do you like if some if someone like says
• 33:52
  like, hey, that's my all time favorite song, Like, what would
• 33:54
  you say to them? Like? I would judge them. That's That's what
• 34:02
  I'm looking for. I know that you know everyone does, right, I
• 34:07
  would judge them, I would be like, dude, you're whack. I
• 34:09
  mean, that's no for the worst of our stuff, like you hey,
• 34:15
  are you guys gonna play carry on My Way? Where it's no, absolutely
• 34:21
  not that would that would be so lame. Like I know, what's your
• 34:28
  most favorite song on Spotify, but like that still sucks. No, No,
• 34:38
  I mean there's like, I don't know, it's weird. It's like,
• 34:44
  you know, if somebody wants, there's just certain songs like that we
• 34:47
  probably we've never really played. I don't know, like You Will Move on
• 34:52
  Backbreaker. There's just a few songs where it's like we just never really played
• 35:00
  them. And I don't know if it's just because like we theyre just didn't
• 35:07
  feel right like when we practiced them, or like we did play like You
• 35:09
  Will Move a couple times and it's just like it just didn't really connect or
• 35:15
  I don't know, you just know like when it feels right, like that's
• 35:21
  that's the songs like you want to play. Especially now, it's like if
• 35:27
  you can't go out there and be like, what's up furnist fast, I
• 35:30
  want to see then I hope you man, you know, I mean,
• 35:38
  but that's what everybody does. I mean, I mean, like, oh,
• 35:44
  you know, so you're saying that you're there's there's gonna be no DC
• 35:52
  Talk covers at for anesfestas yere is what you're saying, dude. I actually,
• 35:55
  you know it's funny that you say that. I'm glad you did.
• 36:00
  I tried to move the needle on that. Really. I tried to get
• 36:06
  them to throw in like one little just just a chorus, just to be
• 36:09
  like, yeah, you know, do they not realize, like the youth
• 36:15
  group kids that show up to Furnace Fest, that would just like as soon
• 36:16
  as they start hearing just even a little bit of DC Talk, people are
• 36:21
  gonna like lose their mind. Dude. I mean, well, first of
• 36:24
  all, I didn't know. I don't know if you you do know we
• 36:29
  covered a DC talk song right right, That's why that's why bring it up,
• 36:31
  Okay, cool. I just wanted to make sure because I'm still proud
• 36:37
  of that, and I think Jesus freak goes hard and it is not my
• 36:42
  guilty pleasure. It does go hard. But yeah, no, I mean
• 36:47
  I don't know. Yeah, we just only have so much time. I
• 36:51
  mean, I wish we could make everybody happy, and you know, play
• 36:54
  the play the carry on way where it sounds and DC talk covers, but
• 37:00
  just can't. I'm just I'm just looking for some goofy antics that you guys
• 37:05
  were always kind of known for. You know. I just feel like you
• 37:07
  guys were always a bunch of goofballs and I loved that that aspect about you
• 37:12
  guys because your music was always so serious in my opinion, because you didn't
• 37:15
  see that at furnesce Fest lit. No, I know two years ago,
• 37:20
  I didn't see too many of the like goofball antics. But back in the
• 37:22
  day, I know you guys were because I always watched you on YouTube.
• 37:27
  I mean there's a little bit of a reason. And I'll be transparent with
• 37:30
  you guys. I don't mind to open up and share, you know.
• 37:32
  Yeah, we have a circle. So we did some this is I mean,
• 37:38
  this is like crazy crazy time. But you know, we did some
• 37:43
  warm up shows before we played furnace Fest. Yeah, and you know,
• 37:49
  you always think I had to literally lose one hundred pounds before we played furnest
• 37:54
  Fest, Like it was insane. It was insanity. Yeah, Like god,
• 37:59
  you man, That's what we did talk about that last time we were
• 38:01
  gonna work out together. We never did, yes, so I had to
• 38:06
  get in shape anyways. Like I was in bad, bad, bad health.
• 38:09
  We played the first show in Knoxville and it was like it was kind
• 38:15
  of awkward because I was there's all of my friends in Knoxville's where I live,
• 38:21
  Like they didn't really even know me when I played. And then we
• 38:23
  played the next show in Kentucky. I'm a little bit loose. Kentucky's our
• 38:30
  jam. The next thing you know, I've got my shirt pulled up over
• 38:35
  my head like corn hoolio, we're making jokes. I'm throwing up on the
• 38:40
  crowd like just a massive fool I mean just like old school. Yeah,
• 38:51
  that's how I remember you guys on YouTube and like was this sober? Was
• 38:55
  this done sober as well? Or what? Oh? Wow? Yeah wow?
• 39:00
  The sir was moving as I like threw up all over the crowd like
• 39:06
  I actually I actually almost had a heat stroke. I had to go get
• 39:08
  IV therapy the next day. Nice. So then a banana bag. I
• 39:14
  love it. I did it was it was. It was so wame.
• 39:17
  And then we played in Johnson City and it was kind of along the same
• 39:22
  lines, and I was just trying to do too much, and I think
• 39:25
  at one point I may have like even knocked our one of our guitar dark
• 39:32
  Nathan, our guitar player overs like all right, we gotta rein it in
• 39:43
  now you can go back to YouTube for the jokes. No, and and
• 39:49
  it is cool too because it's like, especially now, it's like, you
• 39:52
  know, I love I love metal vocals. I love doing vocals. It's
• 39:58
  so much fun. And there's a part of that that gets lost in translation,
• 40:05
  you know, going so far over to the we're gonna put on this
• 40:10
  wild show too. Okay, where's the performing the song go? And it's
• 40:15
  like, you know, I'm I'm glad to be able to give it another
• 40:20
  shot, you know, to be able to to do it again. Uh
• 40:24
  for sure, I'm sure there's a happy balance. I'm sure there will be
• 40:29
  some antics. But that was probably a long way around to say I'm definitely
• 40:36
  you know, I do the best imitation of myself, and what would the
• 40:45
  crowd need? Yourself is the best yourself is the second best impression that you
• 40:50
  do. What would the crowd need to do to kind of get you,
• 40:55
  uh uh to not be able to control yourself with those crazy antics? From
• 41:02
  from what from like what you explained with you know, the heat stroke and
• 41:06
  everything like that, because there's some way we can egg it on, is
• 41:08
  what I'm asking. I At this point in my life, I'm highly committed
• 41:15
  to heavy metal vocals, so doubt it. That's such a weird response.
• 41:27
  I love it, but I would be I would be very pleased. And
• 41:30
  I mean, the thing is is, like I'm thankful. I would be
• 41:34
  very thankful for anyone trying to ag me on to be the best craziest person
• 41:39
  I could be. But so, David, I feel like I got to
• 41:45
  ask, since twenty ten was the last album do you guys put out?
• 41:52
  So we're getting closer to fifteen years now since that album came out too damn
• 41:55
  long, and uh, you know, and you guys, I'll be you're
• 42:00
  about to play your second furnesce Fest. You guys have been playing some shows
• 42:02
  so like and you know you were talking about before, like you know,
• 42:06
  you guys kind of get together every now and then to play. So yeah,
• 42:08
  I just kind of love to know, Like, I mean, is
• 42:10
  there any like potentially new music that we could expect from the showdown at some
• 42:15
  point in the future. Is that even something that you're wanting to do.
• 42:19
  Or is it just like we just want to get together play some fun shows
• 42:22
  that are gonna be fun for you guys, or is there like new stuff
• 42:24
  that you guys want to make at some point too. I mean I'm open
• 42:30
  to that. I mean, based on you know, after we played Furnace
• 42:35
  Fest, we haven't really played again since three weeks ago right now, So
• 42:43
  it's like the probability of new music is not very likely. It's just probably.
• 42:51
  I mean, I would like it to happen, but it it just
• 42:55
  doesn't seem probable. You know. It took something like Furnished Fast Asknist again
• 43:00
  to really get the ball roll and to get us played because there's a special
• 43:05
  show. Of course we want to be involved in that. Everybody wants to
• 43:08
  take the time to do that. But I just I don't know. I
• 43:15
  would like to see it. I would love to see it, but I
• 43:19
  just don't know how realistic it would be. To be honest, I know
• 43:22
  that we've got you know, a course of Obliteration is turning twenty this year.
• 43:30
  Yeah this year. Yeah, you know, I would love to see
• 43:36
  a vinyl like we're trying to make it happens. I'd be in on that
• 43:39
  so quick. Has any of your stuff ever been out on vinyl? No?
• 43:46
  No, that's that's wild. Well, so we should we should see
• 43:51
  if we can get Jason involved in that. Yeah, yeah, we can
• 43:54
  connect up. Yeah, I mean hopefully something like that shakes that out.
• 44:00
  So, like you know, I mean there's some cool things. I just
• 44:04
  don't know. I mean, it's it's one of those things where it's like
• 44:07
  it's not doing and it's not doom and gloom, you know what I'm saying.
• 44:09
  Yeah, for sure, Like I never I just don't know. I
• 44:14
  know this like getting a being able to do Furnace Fest in twenty twenty two,
• 44:21
  it put me on a course to drastically change my life for the better.
• 44:25
  It got me reconnected with those dudes in a way that is amazing.
• 44:32
  And I'm glad that we have the opportunity to do again because now we're going
• 44:37
  to be able to like rebuild that even more so. Hopefully something else will
• 44:45
  come after or something else will come from this additional time that we have.
• 44:52
  But if it doesn't, I mean we're still friends. Yeah, And if
• 44:57
  it doesn't, you still have. However, many spots out there uh,
• 45:02
  at people asking for you to do guest vocals or you asking them, right,
• 45:07
  that's true A little bit of both. Yeah. Yeah, I was
• 45:12
  pumped last year. Last year Chasing Victory. They they did ask me to
• 45:16
  do it, but I would have totally been like, I'm doing it because
• 45:22
  I was on that record, and then the Undertaking guys asked me to do
• 45:29
  it, and I was like, oh my gosh, it's no brainer.
• 45:31
  Those guys came through Knoxville, saw them. Oh my gosh, love those
• 45:37
  guys. I was so pumped. So hopefully if they're if they come there
• 45:44
  this year, I definitely want to get Austin on stage with us. Yeah,
• 45:51
  I think they're. I think they're planning to come. We were talking
• 45:52
  to Austin not that long ago, so yeah, I think I I think
• 45:55
  I think he said he's coming no matter what. Also, we might have
• 45:59
  a little information and that we can't share. So I love information. Information,
• 46:10
  what a line? We will share information later? Yeah? How to
• 46:16
  script information? Yeah? No, for sure. That would be so cool
• 46:22
  to see. I've always wanted to see a homeless man and Gary Busey on
• 46:24
  stage together. I just I can't wait, dude, I'm telling you,
• 46:29
  I was. I loved it last time playing with those guys. Yeah,
• 46:34
  I would be on jam. I'll be jamming with them every time I can.
• 46:37
  And it's crazy because I got when was it or who was it?
• 46:45
  I was asking to be do some vocals on their record, and they totally
• 46:49
  just like acted like they didn't know me. Yeah, idle threat, I'm
• 46:53
  sorry, I forgot. That sounds about right for my idle threat. I
• 47:07
  do know that there's one person in that band that desperately wants you on the
• 47:12
  record. Dad. I love that man so much. I don't care so
• 47:15
  much. Fun. Yeah, I don't care if they want me on their
• 47:17
  record or not. That I'm a fan, you know, uh, you
• 47:22
  know, I know that undertaking. You know, they're always writing different music,
• 47:25
  you know, and they're you know, putting out maybe like a single
• 47:28
  or like an EP or whatever. Clearly you got your little like studio setup
• 47:31
  right here, you know, And so I mean Austin, like, yeah,
• 47:37
  ask ask David to just be a part of maybe, you know,
• 47:40
  like just a little just a little snippet of let me get one of them,
• 47:45
  let me get one of them chaotic songs they got. Yeah, right,
• 47:47
  I love that. Yeah, how many weird time signatures have you been
• 47:52
  a part of, David, Probably not that many. There's a few,
• 47:55
  there's a couple, a couple. Yeah, all right, Well, you
• 48:00
  know we're winded down here. It's time for your top five most influential albums.
• 48:07
  Are you ready? Oh yeah, yeah, we're doing influential because this
• 48:13
  is our take two most influential albums of all time. I mean, I'm
• 48:21
  gonna honestly, you can't go wrong with a Scottie Henry Riff shout out to
• 48:27
  Bless the Marcus the Child like that record. We get that so many times.
• 48:34
  Such a great album. I mean, no matter who you are,
• 48:37
  or what you do or where you come from, that record was you.
• 48:42
  You can be screaming all day long from the corner about Botch, but give
• 48:46
  me a break, you know what I mean? But wow, David has
• 48:52
  stinked his claim in the Norma Geen versus BOTX debate. I love this.
• 48:58
  I happen to I have been to love both, but I probably do side
• 49:01
  more with Norma Jean. But I love that you're like willing to make a
• 49:04
  stake in this. Well no, I mean there's just always somebody out there
• 49:07
  that was like budged it first. Whatever that I don't even think it is.
• 49:14
  I don't even know what that means, because I've never even gave him
• 49:16
  a chance here. So I still remember it's so Blessed Martyr Kiss Child's like
• 49:24
  probably top ten favorite album of all time for me. I still remember.
• 49:28
  So Colin and I we've been best friends for what at least fifteen years now,
• 49:32
  Colin, Right, yeah, I still remember. So Colin used to
• 49:37
  have an S ten pickup truck. I don't know, do you remember what
• 49:39
  S ten pickup trucks were, David, Yeah, like little tiny pickup trucks,
• 49:43
  and Collin's didn't have a a CD player in it, so he he
• 49:49
  got a like a like a portable CD player, like one that like a
• 49:52
  little like had a little speaker system and stuff, and and basically like stuck
• 49:59
  it in the middle of this S ten on the floor, and then if
• 50:02
  we ever wanted to listen to any music, we would just pop in,
• 50:06
  like you know, bless the Martyr or like a Chariot song or you know,
• 50:07
  Chariot album or whatever, but we would like literally have to that or
• 50:12
  maybe maybe you had like a little FM transmitter or something on it, but
• 50:15
  I just remember, like, because you didn't have an actual, like real
• 50:19
  radio in the pickup truck, we had to put a portable radio in the
• 50:22
  pickup truck just so we could play CDs, and bless the Martyr was definitely
• 50:27
  one of those. Yeah, Blessed the Martyr. That is the way I
• 50:30
  heard bless the mart was through like the shittiest speakers of a little portable radio.
• 50:36
  That was my first introduction to Blessed Martyr. I mean it's a great
• 50:38
  record. I won Employee the Month at Hot Topic and I got to pick
• 50:42
  the CD of the month, and I'll pick that one. Hell yeah,
• 50:46
  Like, I mean that's why you got Employee of the Month. You picked
• 50:50
  actually the good music? True, Well, it's because I sold a bunch
• 50:53
  of hair dryers with flames on them. Still a lot of studded belts as
• 51:06
  well. Yeah, I mean, let's go for I'm gonna just keep it.
• 51:12
  I'm gonna keep it quasi uh in between old school and new school.
• 51:15
  And I'm gonna have to shout out to my boys and the Famine for the
• 51:19
  raven and the hell yeah, yeah, the Famine doesn't get enough respect.
• 51:23
  Keeping a quasi moto with the Famine I love it. I mean, favorite
• 51:29
  rifts of all time, so good. Love that band, love those rifts,
• 51:35
  the the that record, everything about it's perfect so good. Did you
• 51:42
  say that? Do you say the Architects of Guilt? Is that the one
• 51:44
  you said? The Raven and the Reaping Raven? The Okay? Yeah?
• 51:47
  Yeah, Yeah, that album's come up a few times on here as well,
• 51:51
  and it is an un discovered masterpiece by a lot of people. A
• 51:55
  lot of people who would really love it just have not given it a chance
• 51:58
  or have not listened. Yeah, agreed. I mean, it's a great
• 52:01
  record, and both of the Famine records are really good. Yeah, Architects
• 52:07
  of Guilt is like one of the scariest album covers ever. It is.
• 52:13
  It is. I just got to keep it real with the and I mean
• 52:16
  I love like I'm a big fan of both records. I actually owned both
• 52:20
  records. I just I love that first one. It was just the first
• 52:23
  record like it came out, and I just remember being like extremely jealous of
• 52:35
  that record and then seeing their merch at shows and just being like, god,
• 52:42
  man, they have it all, Like why do they have it all?
• 52:45
  You know what? I've always found very interesting that they do is they
• 52:50
  make extremely heavy music sound way too palatable, like almost like how did is
• 52:59
  this like witchcraft? Like how did you make this sound so like radio friendly?
• 53:02
  Almost? But you're not pulling any punches whatsoever. Like I mean,
• 53:07
  I would say they have like a lot of like slipnop vibes, but uh,
• 53:12
  they don't do like the singing stuff necessarily. It's all just heavy vocals.
• 53:16
  But somehow they created like this catchiness this uh this uh these earworm kind
• 53:22
  of little bits in there. I don't know if it's a chorus or whatever
• 53:25
  on all the songs, but I don't know how they did it. They
• 53:28
  just they played with weird fire there that I don't quite understand. I love
• 53:32
  it. Well, we call in Tennessee and Texas shout out to Hope Defer.
• 53:37
  It's called the Money Riff. The Money Riff. Gotta say it with
• 53:44
  that accent too, you know. But no, I had to go with
• 53:47
  that one another record. I don't want to just be off the wall with
• 53:52
  this one and say whatever and ever amen Ben Folts five. Yeah, it's
• 54:00
  off the wall. I like it though, And that's like I don't know,
• 54:04
  I just like I really kind of credit that record is into getting me
• 54:08
  into punk rock, because like I was really just kind of like into whatever
• 54:15
  would come on the radio, whatever my friends would play, It didn't matter.
• 54:21
  R and B, the Eagles, you know, just one of those
• 54:22
  all over the place. I heard Brick on the radio, was like cool,
• 54:30
  went out and bought it to try to impress this girl I was on
• 54:35
  a date with, because that'll do it. Because like Shia, the song
• 54:38
  was amazing too, So I was like I was just flex and buy twenty
• 54:43
  dollars CD. Man, the girls that I grew up around definitely would not
• 54:47
  have been impressed by that at all. In fact, they probably would have
• 54:51
  said, get the hell out of my life. No, hey, you
• 54:54
  know it worked. I bought that CD. And you go through that CD,
• 55:01
  and the whole CD is just like it's got a lot of distorted bass
• 55:07
  and a lot of really up tempo stuff and like it's really kind of like
• 55:13
  harsh and kind of punk rocke ish and like it's just really different. And
• 55:17
  I don't know, I just loved watching I would. I've got a videotape
• 55:22
  of them, and you know he's like beating the piano with his like piano
• 55:27
  stool and like it's just really interesting, Like I just loved that. I
• 55:30
  was so drawn to it, and then from then I got into MxPx.
• 55:37
  So my next album would be slowly become The Way of the Buffalo. Love
• 55:42
  that record. I think it's a great punk record. It's got a cool
• 55:46
  cover, it's got really kind of dark vibes, but it's still catchy.
• 55:52
  I just I love the I love the vibe of that record. I think
• 55:57
  it's just super are sick how dark and bright it is at the same time.
• 56:05
  Yeah, I totally dig that good call. Is that five? That's
• 56:09
  five? That's four, that is four? One more? Yeah, we're
• 56:14
  good at forgetting stuff, as you can tell David. No, we also
• 56:16
  clearly that South Dakota education is I don't know what I'm doing. I mean,
• 56:23
  I do you have another CD on the wall? You're gonna pull off
• 56:27
  and be like, hey, this is actually my number five. Let's see
• 56:30
  actually my number five does happen? Yeah? Is this like the visor of
• 56:43
  your car right now? In two thousand and four? Oh a squad five
• 56:46
  of postcard squad five? Oh hell yeah, oh my, that makes me
• 56:54
  so happy. I've got everything in this room, dude, and I have
• 56:59
  a dude. I've got a sick Disciple poster over here too. Oh yeah,
• 57:04
  Oh god, is it? This might? It's not gonna get my
• 57:08
  most it's not gonna get my most influential record of all time. But I
• 57:14
  can tell you right now that I did rededicate my soul at Disciples shows.
• 57:20
  Most of any other band did you? Did you? Did you get stitches
• 57:24
  from a Disciples show? No talk to talk to me when you get stitches
• 57:30
  at a Disciples show. Mason cracked his head open on the on the stage
• 57:35
  at a Disciple show. No way, Yeah, dude, I love how
• 57:38
  to go get stitches. Then they gave me a free CD when I came
• 57:42
  back. U huh, dude, I was. I was like fourteen.
• 57:46
  I was like, this is the best day of my life. They're great.
• 57:52
  I'm telling you, Disciples great. They're good people that I've been.
• 57:55
  Dude. I've been with Disciples since they were a three piece and they were
• 57:59
  wearing Jersey all the way till now. I think they're fantastic. I've their
• 58:02
  poster on my wall because it gives me vocal strength whenever I need. What
• 58:12
  was the what was the album with the rose on the cover? Oh?
• 58:15
  Man? Because that album scars remain. That's that's the one with game On.
• 58:22
  That album went Hard. That's the album that I broke my head or
• 58:28
  that's the song that I broke my head open to it. That's so crazy.
• 58:30
  Yeah yeah that yeah, that's uh yeah. Game On was like the
• 58:35
  big song that I remember and that that's when they started playing that and I'm
• 58:37
  like freaking out and I whacked my head on the damn monitor. And yeah,
• 58:44
  that's fun. I mean, they're just they're a fun band to see.
• 58:46
  I just went and saw them a while back at here in Maryville with
• 58:52
  one of my with one of my old with my oldest girl. We had
• 58:54
  a good time. But they just released an album last year. They're still
• 58:59
  doing it. They're they're like they're really crushing it. They're crushing it.
• 59:04
  They're crushing it like still still still they like we out here, we made
• 59:08
  it. Like they're they're good, like they're yeah, they're really cool.
• 59:15
  I was bummed because I was trying to get on a discycle track. Dude,
• 59:19
  they got to make that happen for you, dude. I wish fifth
• 59:22
  most influential record though of all time. That's a good question. I think
• 59:29
  I'm just gonna maybe I think I'm gonna maybe just keep it real instead of
• 59:35
  saying something that I think people want to hear. Big fish real big fish.
• 59:42
  Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna go with the changing of times. But
• 59:45
  oh okay, understandably yeah, yeah, I don't know why you thought people
• 59:50
  wouldn't want to hear that, but yeah, everyone, I'll gladly hear that.
• 59:52
  I feel it's probably the most underrated under Oath album. I mean,
• 59:57
  I feel like that that people like want hear me say, like, oh
• 1:00:00
  my favorite album. It's like, you know, Gorgorath or something, but
• 1:00:10
  like some like cheesy band that like nobody like it just sounds cool. But
• 1:00:17
  no, I mean, but no, no, that record is cool,
• 1:00:23
  you know what I mean if you're talking about like influential records, like around
• 1:00:30
  that time, whenever I was like in the punk rock world kind of what's
• 1:00:36
  going on, what's happening? When that record came out, it was like
• 1:00:42
  still heavy, still had some like heavy things, but it was still kind
• 1:00:45
  of catchy and it was just a perfect like gateway to like get into like
• 1:00:53
  even more and more hard stuff. And I mean, I always I've always
• 1:00:57
  liked under Oath, still like them a lot, like but I don't know.
• 1:01:02
  That record was just cool. Like I remember, I bought it the
• 1:01:06
  day came out. It's a stick record. Blew my mind. Yeah,
• 1:01:10
  it just blew my mind. So look some of that, you know,
• 1:01:14
  that early Solid State. You know, I'm I'm not gonna lie, didn't
• 1:01:17
  really like a lot of metal, didn't know a lot of metal. I
• 1:01:22
  mean, obviously a new hair metal because I was like kid in the eighties.
• 1:01:25
  I mean, I love like Poison and Warren def Leppard, but like,
• 1:01:30
  you know, other than that, like I'd never really been into metal
• 1:01:35
  other than like I knew The Inner Sandman was a Metallica song, So yeah,
• 1:01:43
  yeah, can we also just give a shout out to uh to Dallas,
• 1:01:46
  you know obviously the you know, the vocalist at the time for Changing
• 1:01:51
  Times for under Oath. Can we just give a shout out to Dallas because
• 1:01:53
  they're literally going on tour And I still remember, like when Colin and I
• 1:01:59
  interview Dallas, like what three years ago, it was like, how is
• 1:02:02
  this guy able to even walk? And now to see him at this point
• 1:02:06
  in life where he's like literally going on on tour, it is such a
• 1:02:10
  cool, like it's just so cool to see Uh so just shout out to
• 1:02:14
  Dallas, like what a what an unbelievable human, just like the kindest person
• 1:02:20
  you know, just like has like the zest for life and just works his
• 1:02:22
  ass off to like make you know, basically like you know, the second
• 1:02:27
  chance of life happened for him. So it's just he's the greatest guy.
• 1:02:30
  Yeah, big fan, big fan. I mean I love that guy.
• 1:02:37
  I mean I love everything he does. Always been a big fan at least.
• 1:02:40
  I saw them at this at the Furnace feesh like pre bash or benefit
• 1:02:46
  bash or whatever, and like I was out there, you know, I
• 1:02:51
  was wild out while they're playing and stuff, and like was milling around to
• 1:02:55
  the pit and like at one point, uh, when they were singing you
• 1:03:00
  know, one of their songs, I like crowd dove in the crowd and
• 1:03:06
  was like screaming the words and like he like saw me and like pulled me
• 1:03:10
  on stage and like I got to, like, you know, sing apart
• 1:03:14
  with them and stuff. Like he is so nice. Like dude, I'm
• 1:03:21
  totally pumped to see it. I love to see them doing it, love
• 1:03:23
  to see them on tour. I'm definitely going to try to go see them,
• 1:03:29
  and I hope they're playing Furnace Fest. Yeah, I hope so too,
• 1:03:32
  because that those are those are some of the most memorable shows I think
• 1:03:37
  thus far. Yeah yeah, good, all right, what would you like
• 1:03:42
  to plug? I mean so you can come see the showdown? Yes,
• 1:03:50
  I mean definitely want to definitely want to plug that, you know, definitely
• 1:03:58
  the Showdown is out here. We out here, We're giving in another shot.
• 1:04:03
  Hit us up online, you know, tell us that you love us,
• 1:04:09
  and we're gonna do our best to make some memorable, memorable jams for
• 1:04:14
  you. And most importantly, like we're gonna be there and we're gonna be
• 1:04:15
  hanging out and we're just people. So just like last year or the last
• 1:04:20
  time that we played, I was truly blown away by people just coming up
• 1:04:26
  to me and telling me that our band meant something to them. Like I
• 1:04:30
  tell you you had a line, You had a line constantly. I can't
• 1:04:34
  your own little posse. Dude, it's not anything I take for granted.
• 1:04:40
  Like I'm being dead serious, Like it's unbelievable. Like like, dude,
• 1:04:46
  I'm just a dad. Like I work I work at Progressive and like look
• 1:04:50
  at like wrecked cars and like I chill and I love what I do,
• 1:04:56
  and I just love life, and I have an amazing supportive wife. And
• 1:05:00
  to be able to like and I love where I'm at, but to be
• 1:05:04
  able to like go back have that part of my life and it means something
• 1:05:11
  that's it's a blessing. I mean it is. Its completely insane and which
• 1:05:17
  leads me to the next plug of that set me up to also play with
• 1:05:24
  Hope de Firs that we're working on our new record. Hell yeah, and
• 1:05:29
  we're really excited about it, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
• 1:05:31
  that's it's been. That's been a big time and you know, really
• 1:05:38
  really excited to see what happens with that. If not, when I say
• 1:05:43
  see what happens with that, I'm just excited to go back and hang out
• 1:05:45
  with them again, like and and jam around and just brows it. But
• 1:05:51
  so those are my plugs. Yeah. Well, and I'm actually the fact
• 1:05:58
  I didn't know this before, but the fact that you work for Progressive makes
• 1:06:00
  me even happier because I'm a very happy progressive customer. By the way,
• 1:06:04
  I am as well. Nice dude, I'm so dude. Yeah, I
• 1:06:09
  got I got one of those little uh you know, those little things you
• 1:06:12
  like plug into your car to like, you know, that's just like,
• 1:06:15
  yeah, the snapshot thing. So I got one of those recently, and
• 1:06:17
  maybe it's because so I work at home, so I don't really actually travel
• 1:06:20
  much in my car anymore, and it's just been taking forever before I'm like,
• 1:06:25
  when when does this thing end? But that's my only complaint right now.
• 1:06:28
  But that's probably all I mean, because I probably just don't drive around
• 1:06:30
  in my car enough. But but I'm just like, when does this damn
• 1:06:33
  little snapshot thing end? But anyway, I'm a big, big fan of
• 1:06:38
  what you guys do at Progressive. I like close my favorite yet she is
• 1:06:44
  hot, dude. We love for you know, Progressive. It is great
• 1:06:46
  that today is actually about one year anniversary at Progressive. Really you should be
• 1:06:51
  the next flow. You should be. So what what you guys didn't know?
• 1:06:56
  You know, Well, last time that I was all on the podcast,
• 1:06:59
  I was kind of like in a weird like career transition and which is
• 1:07:04
  which is really kind of can be a kind of a scary thing or whatnot.
• 1:07:09
  But like I ended up, you know, I ended up getting an
• 1:07:15
  opportunity to Progressive and it's been sick and I've been there for a year.
• 1:07:20
  Totally love it. Everybody works, the culture is great, you know,
• 1:07:26
  it's just a nice everybody's nice and it's like so cool. So it's very
• 1:07:31
  uncommon in the corporate world too. Yeah, I know, it's so ridiculous,
• 1:07:36
  like it doesn't even make sense. I'm not trying to make it about
• 1:07:40
  my job, but it is too. Yes, she's very accommicable. Actually
• 1:07:50
  she personally emailed me a happy anniversary. Hell yeah, and I got a
• 1:08:00
  a Progressive cup, a flow bobblehead, which I should bring it up here
• 1:08:05
  in my studio room, you should, and something like really cool pins and
• 1:08:10
  stationary nice. I'm a sucker for swag, so that was like way better
• 1:08:16
  than a raise, right, I mean they do those too, but like
• 1:08:21
  swag is awesome. Is there anything else you'd like to plug? So,
• 1:08:28
  yeah, we've knocked off that. I can't believe we plugged Progressive. That's
• 1:08:31
  so funny. We got they really, they're really hurting right now. They
• 1:08:38
  need to get in that black Seat podcast. Actually, they have sponsored us
• 1:08:44
  a couple of times through our little auto our feed. Yeah, Oh that's
• 1:08:49
  so cool. I hope they sponsored this one. That would be so nice,
• 1:08:54
  that would be a blessing. So and then the next thing that I
• 1:08:59
  am very excited about is I am doing guest vocals on the next Idle Threat
• 1:09:03
  record. Oh hell yeah. Uh, they don't want me to tell anybody
• 1:09:09
  about it. Uh too bad? So are you? So are the lyrics
• 1:09:15
  that you scream in the next Idle Threat record? Fuck? Justin Jones?
• 1:09:19
  Is that are you're streaming? That's what it should be? Well, not
• 1:09:25
  in those words, but but but hinting at it right, hinting at it.
• 1:09:32
  No, I mean, they're they're gonna be. Actually, I think
• 1:09:38
  I have a pretty good uplifting chorus that I'm helping with and possibly a pre
• 1:09:44
  chorus. I can't I'm not really supposed to tell what the song is about.
• 1:09:48
  But it's a good song. That's good. You know. Uh,
• 1:09:53
  one year ago, when we had you on the podcast before and you know,
• 1:09:56
  we obviously didn't release it because we're dumb, you had actually asked me
• 1:10:00
  if I could reach out to Justin and I did, and he said,
• 1:10:04
  I've been trying to get David on a record forever, and uh, and
• 1:10:11
  so there it is, dude. I'd love to see it. I mean,
• 1:10:17
  I think you guys are probably already in contact with one another, but
• 1:10:20
  I think it cemented it. It pushed you over the line. You're like
• 1:10:25
  Tinder for Justin and I'm more like plenty of fish. I think I love
• 1:10:33
  it. Sweet man, dude, this is awesome. I can't I can't
• 1:10:40
  wait to hear that that record is going to be absolutely wild. I feel
• 1:10:44
  like last record was just too good. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:49
  it's gonna be. It's gonna be a good record. I know it.
• 1:10:53
  I just every anytime, like yesterday we went to uh it's like middle school
• 1:11:00
  initiation for my youngest is going into middle school. It's like, you know,
• 1:11:08
  I don't have any shirts other than like band shirts. So it's like,
• 1:11:12
  but the one shirt that I have that like is a band shirt but
• 1:11:15
  doesn't look like a band shirt is an idle Threat shirt. Like is it
• 1:11:21
  the hockey one? It says Idle threat Sporting Goods. Oh yeah, that's
• 1:11:28
  a good one. That's a good one. I almost thought that one myself.
• 1:11:30
  I love that shirt because it's like it's like low key, like I'm
• 1:11:33
  still like, you know, doing this whole thing I do, but like
• 1:11:38
  I just look like one of you normal like parent people with their parent clothes
• 1:11:44
  all right. Speaking of which, though, so I'm a teacher by day,
• 1:11:46
  and uh, the parents that show up in band shirts, those are
• 1:11:51
  the parents that I know I can be real with. Really. The rest
• 1:11:56
  of the parents I have to you know, be like, oh, your
• 1:11:58
  child's great, your child's so good. They do everything exactly the way they're
• 1:12:00
  supposed to. But they the parents that show up in ban shirts, I'm
• 1:12:03
  like, here's the deal. Your kid is awesome, but they got to
• 1:12:08
  fix this and this otherwise they're gonna have a really rough time throughout the rest
• 1:12:12
  of this year and next year and in life. And and those are usually
• 1:12:15
  the parents that are actually receptive. And those parents are like, yeah,
• 1:12:18
  that kid, we gotta we got to make sure that they're not listening to
• 1:12:21
  their showdown anymore. Yeah, that's exactly what they say every time, because
• 1:12:27
  they take away those showdown CDs. Because parents and band shirts probably pit their
• 1:12:33
  whole twenties going to hard tourse shows. Hell yeah, they know the worst
• 1:12:40
  of the worst. They know why the album is called backbreaker, Like well
• 1:12:47
  everybody else was you know, you know, climbing the corporate ladder and circling
• 1:12:53
  back and you know, getting all the low hanging fruit and all that.
• 1:12:57
  You know, we're uh in the vans though, I just want to do
• 1:13:02
  bad life shit with my friends. Love it well, David, thank you
• 1:13:10
  so much for chatty Moore about a showdown. Obviously, I again, I
• 1:13:15
  so apologize for the fact that somehow our previous interview a year ago did not
• 1:13:20
  make it into the ether of the internet. But you know, it gave
• 1:13:25
  us an excuse to just hang out again for another hour and a half.
• 1:13:28
  And for that, you know what, I'm grateful to God, the God
• 1:13:30
  that exists in the world. And everybody else probably in the world thinks that
• 1:13:34
  I'm not an atheist, but I actually believe that God exists because, you
• 1:13:39
  know what, we were able to make this happen again. So I'm a
• 1:13:44
  big fan of that. So glad, glad we were able to make this
• 1:13:46
  happen and excited to see you in early Octobers. Yeah, mc dona,
• 1:13:53
  thank you guys so much. Get snake bit. It's quaking Charles up around
• 1:14:01
  yell Man sucking less on shop, so s I don't bless on the stop