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BPS 489: He Made 1,500 Short Films Before Hollywood Took Notice with Michael Rousselet · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 4: So on today's show, once I heard of the movie,
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  Speaker 4: I knew I had to see it. And once I
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  Speaker 4: saw it, I knew I had to talk to the
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  Speaker 4: guys who made it. So on today's show, I have
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  Speaker 4: one of those guys. The movie is Dude Bro Party
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  Speaker 4: Massacre 3. Yes, you heard me correctly. And the guy
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  Speaker 4: is Michael Rousselet. Michael is not only one of the
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  Speaker 4: writers and directors of Dude Bro Party Massacre 3, but
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  Speaker 4: he's also the main reason that The Room was such
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  Speaker 4: a cult hit. Because without him actually finding it and
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  Speaker 4: writing all about it and telling everyone to go see it,
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  Speaker 4: The Room probably would have died out. So this guy
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  Speaker 4: has gotten himself into the cultural zeitgeist just by finding
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  Speaker 4: The Room. So here we go with Michael Rousselet. Hey, Michael,
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  Speaker 4: I want to say thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: How are you doing out there at, what are you
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  Speaker 4: in LA, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm out in LA.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm in sunny California, although I think it's kind of
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  Speaker 5: raining right now. So that's really nice.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's snowing right here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's beautiful. You should send some of that back.
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  Speaker 5: Put it in an envelope and mail it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you know, that's a good idea. I could make
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  Speaker 4: like a million dollars off this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, selling it. Selling snow. It's funny.
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  Speaker 4: I was actually out in this and like every time
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  Speaker 4: I had to step foot outside, it was getting worse
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  Speaker 4: and worse. I was like, it's like a sitcom where
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  Speaker 4: the guy goes inside and it's like it starts to
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  Speaker 4: ease up just a tad. And as soon as he's
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  Speaker 4: getting ready to leave, it just comes down even harder.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So, Michael, you know, I wanted to get started, you know,
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  Speaker 4: by asking about your background, you know. I always ask
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  Speaker 4: this one question, and that is, did you go to
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  Speaker 4: film school?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I did go to film school. I've been making
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  Speaker 5: short little films ever since I got my hands on
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  Speaker 5: my dad's little video camera in high school. And yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I was just making stuff all through high school and
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  Speaker 5: went to film school at USC in the screenwriting program.
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  Speaker 4: So when you were shooting stuff growing up, were you
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  Speaker 4: shooting it on all sorts of different formats like VHS and...
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, you know, other formats are escaping, like mini
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  Speaker 4: DV and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was one of the really old cameras. It
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  Speaker 5: was kind of, I can't remember the name of it.
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  Speaker 5: It was like this mini VHS. To play it on
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  Speaker 5: a VCR, you had to put the really tiny VHS
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  Speaker 5: into a bigger VHS to play it on a VCR.
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  Speaker 5: It's basically that camera that Marty McFly has in Back
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  Speaker 5: to the Future 1. That little red guy. And that's
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  Speaker 5: actually in Dude Bro. So that's, I guess, kind of
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  Speaker 5: how I started with that camera. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I moved up to mini DV and was like high
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  Speaker 5: eight mini DV and not as fucking badass and sexy
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  Speaker 5: as the cameras are now. You know, it's like, God,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like an old man. It's like, God damn,
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  Speaker 5: your kids in high school with your, you know, red
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  Speaker 5: epics and phantom cameras and 4K and 8K. It's nuts. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: shit looks great now, but everything that, you know, kids
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  Speaker 5: growing up are shooting and just, it looks a professional quality.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Seriously.
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  Speaker 4: It's even, even like fight videos.
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  Speaker 5: You see it.
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  Speaker 4: Some guy just pulls out his phone. It's like, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 4: my God, the quality is amazing. I can read like
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  Speaker 4: the stuff in the background. Like it's, it's unbelievable. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think, you know, I remember that we were,
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  Speaker 4: we were talking about, I think that was called VHSC.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that was, yeah, we needed a bigger
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  Speaker 4: VHS to put it in, almost like a ship.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I started shooting on. You know,
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  Speaker 5: my dad would just take home videos and he'd let
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  Speaker 5: me run around with the camera. And I just thought
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  Speaker 5: it was a lot of fun. Originally, growing up, I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to be a doctor. So I studied medicine and
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  Speaker 5: I saved up and bought a skeleton, like an anatomical,
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  Speaker 5: like a medical, like not a real one, but a fucking...
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  Speaker 5: a full, full, like five and a half foot tall
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  Speaker 5: skeleton pulling weeds out of the backyard. And I had
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  Speaker 5: that in my room growing up. It's kind of an
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  Speaker 5: odd kid, but I've always been a fan of horror
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  Speaker 5: films in the macabre. So I thought it was kind
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  Speaker 5: of funny and soothing to have. And as I grew
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  Speaker 5: up and got older, I, I felt as I had
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  Speaker 5: medicine and surgeries, it's too serious for me. I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to have that responsibility. So, uh, my other passion
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  Speaker 5: was films and movies. So I thought that would be safer.
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  Speaker 5: Put a camera in my hand instead of a scalpel.
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  Speaker 4: I actually have a friend of mine who graduated with
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  Speaker 4: an MD for spinal surgery. He was going to be
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  Speaker 4: an orthopedic surgeon. He started doing his residency and decided
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  Speaker 4: he wanted to be a screenwriter.
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  Speaker 5: Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I ended up meeting him through a TV pilot program.
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  Speaker 4: And we just got to talking.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 4: You were an orthopedic surgeon? And he's like, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I can actually go right now. He's like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm certified in everything. They were calling him to ask
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  Speaker 4: him if he could come in and do like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: could you come in to do some surgery on the 9th?
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  Speaker 5: He's like, no way. You kidding? Oh, my God. He's
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  Speaker 5: just racking up student debt. When I grow up, I
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  Speaker 5: just want to have debt. I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 5: med school and not be a doctor. Then I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to go to film school and just keep going. Oh, man,
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  Speaker 5: that's wild. Go for it and follow your dreams.
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  Speaker 4: And so, you know, you went to film school.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And you went to USC for screenwriting.
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  Speaker 5: You said? Screenwriting, yeah. I actually didn't get accepted the
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  Speaker 5: first time I applied. I was an idiot and I
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  Speaker 5: only applied to one college out of high school. I
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  Speaker 5: was like, it's USC or nothing. And I totally didn't
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  Speaker 5: get in. I was like, oh, shit. And so then
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  Speaker 5: I went to a community college for a couple of
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  Speaker 5: years to build up some credits to transfer into like
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  Speaker 5: a UCLA or UC program college. And then I decided
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  Speaker 5: to apply to USC again out of spite. And everything
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  Speaker 5: I wrote was pretty cynical and not, I wouldn't say condescending,
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  Speaker 5: but I definitely had a sharp tongue and opinion about
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  Speaker 5: some things. I was like, ah, here you go. Here's
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  Speaker 5: your fucking application. And I got in and I was like,
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  Speaker 5: what the fuck? That was super weird.
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  Speaker 4: Did they say anything to you about it? Did they
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  Speaker 4: say Michael?
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  Speaker 5: No, you don't get any feedback on, on, uh, what
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  Speaker 5: you write. You just get that, you know, I guess the, the,
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  Speaker 5: the best feedback you can get in is getting accepted.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I did that. And, um, and, and I
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  Speaker 5: think the, the best experience, you know, the best thing
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  Speaker 5: I got out of film school was meeting all my
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  Speaker 5: friends who I continue to make films with. And I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you don't need to go to film school
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  Speaker 5: to make movies because It helps, but the most important
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  Speaker 5: thing is meeting people who are just as passionate and
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  Speaker 5: crazy as you are about cinema. And that's who you
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  Speaker 5: want to be working with. You meet someone who has
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  Speaker 5: a camera and they just want to be a director
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  Speaker 5: of photography or someone that loves writing and someone that
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  Speaker 5: likes sound and music. And you meet actors and all
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  Speaker 5: these little elements come together and that kind of becomes
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  Speaker 5: your filmmaking family for the rest of your life is
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  Speaker 5: through these group of people. Um, but yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 5: watching a ton of movies and reading about, uh, film and,
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  Speaker 5: and having discussions and listening to lectures certainly does help,
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  Speaker 5: but that's something you can do on your own. Um,
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  Speaker 5: even rocket, you know, the, the website, uh, rocket jump.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. They have an online film school and it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: They post videos on all these different techniques and theories and,
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  Speaker 5: and they show you how to do stuff. It's great. Um,
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  Speaker 5: so yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually in talks to get Freddie to come on
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  Speaker 4: the podcast. Oh, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I love Freddie. Yeah, I should. I'll poke him. He's
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  Speaker 5: really busy. They're working on, I think, another Hulu show.
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  Speaker 5: Those guys are machines. They just keep creating content. They're outstanding.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually had his own podcast for a while, too.
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  Speaker 4: And at 100 episodes, they actually said, hey, everyone, this
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  Speaker 4: is the 100th episode. And by the way, it's also
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  Speaker 4: the last episode.
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  Speaker 5: It's fun. They're just moving on. And we're done. Now
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  Speaker 5: we're going to do something else. It's great. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 5: they also started, they went to USC and I knew
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  Speaker 5: them from back in the day. I wasn't in the
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  Speaker 5: dorms with them.
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  Speaker 5: Like Brian Firenze, creator of 5 Second Films, they're old
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  Speaker 5: school dude bros. But yeah, I knew about his videos
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  Speaker 5: on YouTube. It was so weird how YouTube started really
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  Speaker 5: picking up, what was it, 2006? And it was just
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  Speaker 5: odd seeing... It was just such a weird time. Like,
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  Speaker 5: it was... Starting off online and making videos on YouTube was...
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  Speaker 5: It was like the Wild West. It was uncharted territory.
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  Speaker 5: And I saw the videos that Freddy did. And they
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  Speaker 5: were just video game stuff. And they were really fucking
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  Speaker 5: funny and creative. And it was so random running into
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  Speaker 5: him at school. I'm like, hey, you're that guy. What
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  Speaker 5: the hell? I was like, that's so weird. um but
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  Speaker 5: yeah uh i think anyway i'm rambling but yeah no.
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  Speaker 4: No you believe me you're fine i i i have
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  Speaker 4: that that that that effect on people i end up
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  Speaker 4: making them start to ramble.
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  Speaker 5: Well it's i think i'm supposed to keep talking now
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  Speaker 5: you're you just keep talking michael i gotta fill time
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  Speaker 5: yeah if you stop talking the podcast will blow up
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  Speaker 5: you know it's like it's like that movie speed but
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  Speaker 5: on a podcast you I think that.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Smith probably has an idea about that already. Probably. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I, I know you touched on this briefly,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, if you could go back, do you
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  Speaker 4: think you would do film school again? Or do you
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  Speaker 4: think you maybe you would maybe choose another route to go?
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  Speaker 5: Um, I'm, I'm, I would definitely do it again because
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  Speaker 5: I would not have met all, uh, my friends that
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  Speaker 5: I work with today. I mean, all the what ifs
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  Speaker 5: of the world. I could have done my own thing
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  Speaker 5: and then met another group of crazy people and probably
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  Speaker 5: made something else. But no, I would still do it
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  Speaker 5: because meeting Ryan Frenzy and Eric Sandoval and Michael Peter
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  Speaker 5: and all those people that were in the cinema program
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  Speaker 5: with me, that's like my filmmaking family. Those are the
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  Speaker 5: guys I write with and we shoot random videos. We
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  Speaker 5: did five second films for six years and it started
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  Speaker 5: in college. uh, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade that.
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  Speaker 4: The reason I always ask, I ask that question is that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everyone sort of has their own experiences in
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  Speaker 4: film school and some people, you know, come on the
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  Speaker 4: podcast and they would say, you know, I don't really
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  Speaker 4: think it's, you know, I think the game has changed
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  Speaker 4: too much now where I could actually go, uh, and
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  Speaker 4: do it and go a different route. You know, if
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  Speaker 4: I could, if I wanted to find crew, I go
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  Speaker 4: on Craigslist, open up a Twitter and it's stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, that's why I'm always interested
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  Speaker 4: in everyone's experience. I agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: That you don't need film school. You really don't because
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  Speaker 5: like rocket jump, they have the online film school and
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's free. All the information is on there. There,
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  Speaker 5: you know, every frame is a painting that there's so
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  Speaker 5: much great content out there that that's incredibly insightful and educational.
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  Speaker 5: But I think what film school allows you to do
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  Speaker 5: is make mistakes without anyone, you know, without, you can
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  Speaker 5: make mistakes in film school and learn from them. If
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  Speaker 5: you don't, have that outlet to do that, then, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you have to be really, you have to be willing
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  Speaker 5: to make mistakes and fail a lot. And that's what
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  Speaker 5: film school is. It's just learning to fail over and
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  Speaker 5: over again. And then after, you know, four years, like, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: I think I got a handle on this, but you
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  Speaker 5: don't need that. You just, you just need to keep
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  Speaker 5: making content. And maybe it's kind of like the safety
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  Speaker 5: net of a film school. You feel that, If you
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  Speaker 5: make a mistake, it's not the end of the world.
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  Speaker 5: It allows you to fail because that's where you're there.
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  Speaker 5: You're there to learn. But you just need to have
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  Speaker 5: that attitude all the time. If you're not in film scores,
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  Speaker 5: you're making stuff. And, you know, it's, you know, shit's
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  Speaker 5: going to look, the lighting is going to be bad. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: the next one, I'm going to do better lighting. You know, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I screwed up on the sound on this one. Well,
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  Speaker 5: the next one, the sound will be better. And you
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  Speaker 5: just learn from you some snakes. And a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people say, oh, I'm just going to, I do agree,
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  Speaker 5: the amount of debt I have is absurd. I'm paying
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  Speaker 5: for it. But he said, oh, I could have used
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  Speaker 5: that to make my own fucking movie. And yeah, you could,
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  Speaker 5: but it's such a risk because you have to be
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  Speaker 5: willing to take care of everything and make sure that
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  Speaker 5: you're not going to make those mistakes. So you can
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  Speaker 5: make your first film, feature film, like, hey, I made
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  Speaker 5: a feature film, and it could have all these technical
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  Speaker 5: problems and it just sucks. And if only if you
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  Speaker 5: just took more time to plan and And make the
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  Speaker 5: mistakes in the past, the little mistakes, so you don't
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  Speaker 5: make the big mistake. But it just depends. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I think you can take film school or you can
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  Speaker 5: leave it. But you just, the most important thing is
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  Speaker 5: like you have to make content and you have to
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  Speaker 5: be willing to learn from your mistakes and failure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And one thing, you know, Michael, too, is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to screenwriting because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm big into screenwriting too. Like that's my specialty. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I know you went to school for it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and one thing I've always learned, well, it's
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  Speaker 4: taken me a while to learn this, though, is to
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  Speaker 4: get good at screenwriting, you actually have to write screenplays.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You can't read books. You can't, you know, watch any
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  Speaker 4: seminars on YouTube or even go to them in person.
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  Speaker 4: You absolutely have to write them, and that's how you
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  Speaker 4: get better at them.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly. And then you have to let people read it
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  Speaker 5: who you trust their opinion. And not just people that
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  Speaker 5: are going to say, oh, it's great. I like this.
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  Speaker 5: I like that. Like, you need... Constructive criticism, you need notes,
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  Speaker 5: you need someone to be blunt and say, your whole
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  Speaker 5: third act is screwed up, and the reason why it's
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  Speaker 5: screwed up is because of your first act. One of
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  Speaker 5: the most difficult things after graduating film school, other than
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  Speaker 5: the crippling debt, is you don't have professors and people
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  Speaker 5: jumping on your back to finish pages and turn in stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Cause you know, it's like, Hey, you have to turn
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  Speaker 5: in your outline in these two weeks. Oh, you don't. Well, okay.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to fail. You know, if you don't turn
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  Speaker 5: in your script by the end of the semester and
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  Speaker 5: all that stuff. But when you graduate, you've got no
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  Speaker 5: one bugging you and you're your own worst enemy and boss.
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  Speaker 5: So it's just, you just have to fucking write. You
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  Speaker 5: have to do it and you have to learn and
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  Speaker 5: you just have to keep writing and, and, and understand,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: understand that it takes time and you, and you just
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: got to fucking do it. That's all. It's like going
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: to a gym, you know, it, It's like, yeah, you
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: can buy the membership, but if you don't go, it
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: doesn't fucking help. It might help if you have a
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: personal trainer, because that's going to be someone who's going
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: to be calling you and bugging you, being like, where
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: the fuck are you? Why are you not at the gym?
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: But you've got to pay for that. Or you just
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: be disciplined and you just go, you don't even need
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: a gym. You can just work out at a park
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: and just do basic exercises. It's the same concept. You
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: either want to get better and tune a muscle, like
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: your brain, or you want to Two in your butt. Both, both, uh,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: exceed a lot of shit.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I, I wanted to ask, you know, before,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: you know, I, I wanted to ask about five second films.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, you know, one final thing about,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: you know, your, your time at, you know, in, uh,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: in college. And, you know, what is, what is some
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: of the best things that you think you've learned in
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: film school?
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, it flows. I was like, Oh, the best things
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I learned was how properly to beer bong. And no, uh,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Film school. The best things I learned in film school. Fuck.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: It's kind of an amalgamation of things that I learned
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: from my fellow students and colleagues. And it's kind of
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: like information that they get, that they got from their class.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: And it all just kind of like this, it spreads around.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: One of them was for a good editing tool and
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: a good writing tool is what's the latest you can
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: enter a scene And the earliest you can exit a
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: scene with it still making sense. That's like... As in,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: you don't need someone to walk in through a door
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: and have a whole beginning. Like, you can just jump
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: right into the middle of the scene. What is... But
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: what's the... What's the latest you can jump into it
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: with it still making sense? What's the earliest? Just being...
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Get to the point faster. Have a point of view. Yeah, and... Fuck. Fuck.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: There's so much stuff. And there's a lot of stuff
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I learned by just doing, because I was really into lighting.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: And I was one of the only screenwriters who would
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: just work on shoots as a grip and a gaffer.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Because I just thought it was so much fun to
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: play with lights. And also because I knew it was
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: expensive equipment. How much is that light? What? Why? Oh,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: here's why. Oh, shit, that's cool. My friend... And here's
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: another thing you can do. When you don't even need
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: to go to film school, you can volunteer to crew
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: on a shoot. And that's a way to learn. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: so when I was 16 or 17, a buddy of
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: mine went to USC, an older dude, and I wanted
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: to help out on a shoot. I just wanted to
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: get my fucking hands dirty. And I said, oh, I'll
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: be a production assistant. And he said, no, don't be
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: a production assistant. You're just going to learn how to
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: lock down a set and throw away trash and keep
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: craft service going. He's like, just come on as a grip.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I go, Andrew, I've never learned. I don't know how
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: to grip. He goes, just show up and you're going
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: to learn. They need grips. He's like, it's basically the
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: same thing. You're lugging shit. You're moving heavy gear. You're
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: either moving water or you're moving sandbags. I'm like, okay,
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I'll learn about sandbags. Do you know what, I don't
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: know if you're listeners or if you know, you know
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: what Apple boxes are? Yeah. So my first day on
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: a student foundation, film I asked I'm all eager and
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: like oh I want to help out I didn't even
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: know what a c-stand was I didn't know what anything
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: was other than a sandbag I go to the DP
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and I go.
• 20:00
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• 20:06
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• 20:09
  Speaker 5: What can I do to help you? She goes, go
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: get me a half apple. So I run the craft service.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I eat half an apple and I bring it back
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: to her because I thought it was for something to
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: put on the set, like production. She was looking at
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: a desk. She's like, this desk needs something. And she said, oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: go get me a half apple. I was like, oh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: a desk. You want to have a half eaten apple?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: And I handed it to her and she looked at
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: me and she's like, no, what the fuck is this?
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: And then I gripped Gave me, he's like, no, here's,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: this is the half apple. It's a fucking box. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell? And she just needed
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: it to sit on. Uh, yeah. So I learned what
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: a half apple was from school. Uh, I don't know.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I believe.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, that, that is, see that those are those experiences.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I'm always talking to Michael that, you know what I mean?
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't go to school for, to, for film.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: I went to school for business. And, um, I mean the,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I always wondered if I was doing the right thing.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: And cause I went to business school and suddenly I'm like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: oh man, I really want to do movies. Am I
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: doing the right thing by being here? And the teacher
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: was going on and on and on about micro versus
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: macro economics and You know, I'm just like, my God,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I just want to get home and write that screenplay. But,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I did make some of my
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: own student films on the side. Great. And it was just,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: you know, all that stuff, man. It was just, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: just trying. Because, you know, your first student film or
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: your first film period, you get your friends and family,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And your film putting them in roles and stuff. Well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I shot it with all friends. And we ended up
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: getting a friend of mine, his grandparents let us use
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: two of their vacation homes. so we could film anywhere
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: we wanted all over the property.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: And we ended up... We ended up... We're filming this
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: one scene, right, where my boyfriend is getting, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: quote-unquote tortured, and his grandfather just walks in as we got, like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: a power drill almost going to his head, and he
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: just looks at us, like, this look on his face, like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: what the fuck? And he closes the door slowly. Didn't
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: say a word.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Definitely. Definitely... oh man, if I had a
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: dollar every time someone looked at me, what the fuck
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: are you filming? What is wrong with you people? God,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: I'd be so rich. We'd shoot, when we would shoot
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: five second films at our house, we'd be filming on
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: the streets and everything and our neighbors are just like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, you fucking hipsters. You know, just running around
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: in a giant banana suit or, you know, I'm dressed
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: up as a hobo chasing a whole mountain of shopping
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: carts going down, down the hill and, Fuck, what was it?
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: We filmed like 1,500 films at that house. Every nook
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: and cranny of the house we lived in once we
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: graduated was thoroughly documented by our fucking films, yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I actually want to talk about five-second films.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: So you started that in college. Um, so, and then
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: you just kept the ball rolling as soon as you graduated,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you know, making sure you, so, so did you already
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: have like a YouTube channel established before you graduated?
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Brian Ferenzi, I met Brian Ferenzi in screenwriting and the
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: teacher was at, you know, right after the summer break
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: and the teacher says, so what did you guys do
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: over the summer? And Brian said, oh, I made some
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: five second films with my friends and I never met Brian. Um,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: but I, you know, when you, you kind of have
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: like this pretentious air, you're like, oh, film school. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: like Godard and, and Truffaut and Fellini. Yes, yes. And, uh,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I don't care about these Michael Bay short things and,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: and frantic cutting. And I was like, five seconds. That
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: sounds so stupid. What can you do in five seconds?
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: And I saw, I saw some of the films and
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I was like, Holy shit, this is hilarious. And Brian
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: was hysterical. And I was like, you're my new best friend.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I'm never going to leave you alone. His five second
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: phones was like the perfection, the perfection of a gag,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: perfection of a joke, uh, incredibly simplified and distilled. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I used to keep a notebook. God, I used to.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: I need to keep doing that. Fell off a wagon.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I used to carry a Moleskine around with me. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: I have like 10 of them, maybe 15. And I
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: just write down dumb ideas or dumb jokes. And I
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: wouldn't know what I'd do with them. I just thought like, well,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: that's a funny idea. It made me laugh. I better
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: write it down or I'll forget it. And I just
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: had a whole... like library of all these dumb ideas
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and jokes that were incredibly half-baked and didn't have anywhere
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: to go. Like I can't write a script about a
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: guy who loses a stapler, but I thought it was funny. And, and,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and so meeting Brian and, and getting involved with this,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: this hilarious kind of filmmaking, uh, was a way to
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: express all my creativity and, and give these jokes a home.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: And so, We became fast friends and we started bringing
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: in our other friends because everyone just thought it was
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: funny and it kind of grew out of that. And
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: then when we graduated in 2008, Brian said he wanted
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: to do a website and he wanted to do a
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: new film every day. And I said, okay, that's insane.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I'll help you. So we did a new film every
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Monday through Friday, shoot them on the weekend. And we
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: did that for six years. We never missed a day.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: It was like something like 1500 plus films. And yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: And so, and we were just doing it for ourselves.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: It was never, it started, we did it for ourselves
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: and our friends. It never, we never thought it would
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: grow really. Cause no one was watching us. Our, our
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: views were like 15, you know, maybe 30 views. And
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: if we got lucky, like, Hey, we broke 200. That's
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: pretty crazy. And we did that for six months until
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: we made the front page on of Reddit. for Magic
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Show Volunteer, one of our films. And we were like, whoa,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: what the fuck? Just started getting all these subscribers. And
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: we're like, okay, I guess this might be something. So
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: we just kept doing it. And it was kind of
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: crazy because we didn't have an end in sight. We
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: didn't know when we would ever stop. We knew we
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: wanted to make a feature film and do TV, but
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: no one would ever give us the time of day.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: So we just kept doing these short films, kind of
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: like it kept us sharp. It was fun. It gave
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: us some sort of sense of purpose. And over the
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: course of a year or so, it started opening up
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: some doors for us. We got some web commercial jobs.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And with that money, we were able to buy lights
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: and increase our production value. So we didn't really put
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: it in our pocket. We weren't even making money, to
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: be honest. Every now and then, we'd get a job
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: and get like a thousand bucks here or there. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: then we would just invest that into our infrastructure and
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: buy lavaliers. And then we'd buy, you know, Eric Sandoval
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: was working at a grip house, like a studio. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: they would throw crappy gear away and he would just
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: take it. Like a green, we had this green screen.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: We still have it and it's huge. And they threw
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: it away because it had a coffee stain, like a
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: big coffee stain in the corner. But we just hang
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: it up in our garage and it's fucking awesome. So,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: and it was, it was, it was, yeah, we just
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: took over our house. We made our house, our little
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: production studio. And every Sunday people would come over and
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: we'd shoot and did that for six years. It's crazy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, that, that is some dedication to shoot.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, over 1500, uh, you know, films. I mean, that,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: that is some absolute dedication.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I mean, it was all, it was just
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: obsession and, and, uh, it was so psychotic. Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Was there ever a time where you just said, what
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: the fuck am I doing?
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: All the time. Yeah. All the time. It's like, you
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: know what? I'm wearing a dress and I'm, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I got this huge bouffant hairstyle and, you know, I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: walking around on the street filming at the park and
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? You know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: but I was goofing off with my friends and we
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: were having a good time and we were gaining an
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: audience and, you know, they liked what we were doing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: We're like, well, fuck it. Let's just keep doing this. And, um, and,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: and the whole YouTube thing, again, YouTube allowed us to
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: reach a big audience. Now YouTube has just grown into
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: this crazy monster. Yeah. Yes, it has. Like it was, yeah, it's,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I don't even know, man.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I remember when YouTube in 2004, when they first launched,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I remember actually, um, cause I, I actually just started
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: college and I remember, uh, I remember that and I
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: was like, wow. I was like, you know, this is
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: what I thought was kind of cool. And then I
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, and then 2006, like you said,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: it started to become really big. And now it's like
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: everyone puts every cat video in the world up there now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They have the YouTube space. There's a big studio
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: soundstage they have in Los Angeles, kind of like by
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: the airport. And content creators can go there and get
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: access to a soundstage and professional equipment and gear They
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: can hire freelance crews who volunteer to help out. It's crazy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: It really shook up Hollywood. It's fantastic. Because if it
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: weren't for YouTube, we never would have made our feature film.
• 29:54
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• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And now, back to the show.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Because we were able to build a fan base and
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: then we did a Kickstarter. It's like we proved to
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: so many people that we can do this and we're dedicated.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: And yeah, it's, you know, I look back upon it
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, holy shit, that was insane. The end
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: goal was always to make a movie. That's what we
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: always wanted to do. But no one would give us money.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: So when the Kickstarter idea, crowdfunding came out, that was like, well, fuck,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: let's Let's see if we can ask our fan base.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Because at that time, I think we had like 350,000 subscribers. Wow. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: It dropped the bucket compared to a lot of people.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: So what was the impetus? I mean, did you write
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: the script?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we all....
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And then, I mean, did you write the script and
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: then pitch it to producers?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Or did we try to do it that way first?
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, we tried to... We tried the old-fashioned way, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: we wrote this ridiculous fucking movie, and no one wanted
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: to touch it. They were like, what? Dude, bro, party,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Massacre 3? Like, who the fuck? What? Where's the first two?
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: What the hell is this?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: So did they not understand the concept, or did they
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: just think, like, this is just way too over-the-top for us? Oh, really?
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: A lot of the old producers... didn't understand it at all.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: They're like pass hard pass. Uh, and, but their assistants
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: who are younger were like, this is hilarious. I'm sorry.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: They pass. They don't fucking get it. Uh, and then
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: there are other people that are like, you know, it's, it's,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: it's a gamble to invest in, you know, I know
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: you guys are a sketch group online and, but sketch
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: comedy doesn't really, it's a risk because, you know, no offense,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: you guys are nobodies. So that's why we couldn't get a, we,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: we did a bunch of pilots and they never got
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: picked up because they're like, sketch comedy is really risky
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: because you're a bunch of nobodies and it's hard to invest.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: And it's like, sorry. I was like, all right, whatever.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: So we just did it on our own. Um, we, yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: And got raised a quarter million dollars on Kickstarter. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: then an independent financier, Keith Calder, uh, of snoot entertainment, um,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: reached out and said he would match the funding. So
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: he got it. And I think he was really impressed
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: with our body of work. And the Kickstarter was going
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: really well. He was like, all right, well, these guys
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: got something. They have an audience. So yeah, God bless him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So he came on towards the end of the kickstarting campaign.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: So he was our white knight. God bless that guy.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: And then he financed Anomalisa, the Charlie Kaufman film, which
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: was nominated. So we were like, oh my God, we
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: really hope this wins an Oscar because then Dude Bro
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Party Massacre 3 will be in that kind of company
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: of like, yes, the Academy Award winning company snoot in
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Dude Bro Party Massacre 3.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: It's a shame I never saw the Kickstarter when it
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: was going on because I definitely would have donated.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, thanks. Because.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Because this is, like, you know, in the pre-interview, I
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: get this. I get this movie completely, man. Because even
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: before I saw it, I actually had an idea for
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: a movie, not similar, but, you know what I mean?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Like a movie where I said, you know what? It's
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: like a throwback to the 80s slashers, but I said,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think people would get it, if you know
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, I was always afraid that, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: if I went to, like, a producer, they'd say, What
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: the hell is this Dave Bullis kid smoking?
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Get him the hell out of here.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So that's why when I saw Dude, Broke Party Massacre 3,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my God. I said, this is awesome.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And that's why I was actually very excited that you
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: were successful. Because I was like, yes, it proves it
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: can be done. So here we are.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Thank you. I mean, I don't know. Successful is such
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: a loose word. When it comes to the film industry,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: it didn't make any money, but the reviews were great.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: We're really happy with that. People either loved it or
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: liked it. And, you know, a lot of people were
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: just like, I don't fucking get this. This is stupid.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Which is fine. I'm from the internet. I've heard so
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: many worse comments. So reading reviews are actually kind of nice. Like, oh,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: that was such a very polite, nice, negative review. That
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: was very sweet of them. As opposed to the other
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: comments I'm like, but. Yeah, I mean, the fact that
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: you liked it when we were having this conversation, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: movie is a success. Like, you saw it, and you
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: didn't even know about five-second films, so that is... That's, like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: the best thing ever, because we figured only our fans
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: would watch it and get it, so to hear that
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: it's actually, you know, I would say perfect strangers are
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: enjoying it and discovering it is a success. Yes. For me.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're very welcome. I mean, because... It proved that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you could do it because, you know, you didn't take
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: no for an answer. You threw together, I'm sorry, you
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: threw together, but you put together the Kickstarter. You know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, because, you know, I've been there too, Michael.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I know how hard it is to get,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: you know, movies and whatever else funded because, you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you always get like, you know, 99 no's and then
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: that one yes is what you're looking for, you know? Yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And you have to just, it's like an uphill battle. Like, literally,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: it's like, you play a game, like, what could go
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: wrong today? Oh, okay, you know, lead actor drops out.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you got Patton Oswalt in Duper
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Pornhub 3, which I thought was awesome.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: He's amazing. He is a fucking saint. I love Patton.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: How we got Patton Oswalt was, he was a fan
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: of five-second films. He tweeted out a bunch of our
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: films saying he loved them, and we flipped that. We
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: were ecstatic. And so we tweeted back saying, hey, do
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: you want to be in some? He said, absolutely. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: then that was it. We set a time. He was
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: free for an hour. We shot like three films in
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: an hour. And he had a great time. And he
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: loved the, he thought they were hilarious. And every now
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: and then he'd come back, shoot some more. And then
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: when he found out we were doing Kickstarter, he donated
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: the price tier to be a co-producer. and to guarantee
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: a cameo in the film. It's like, if you donate $ 2, 000,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: you will, um, make an appearance in the movie and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: you'll get a co producer credit. And we said, Hey, um,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: thank you. We love you. Um, so, uh, you, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: legally now you have to be in our movie. And
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: he goes, you, you fucking better believe I'm in your movie.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: And we gave him, you know, he played the police
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: chief and he was awesome. We worked with him for
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: one day and, you know, he paid to be in
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: our movie. Like you can't, You can't get any nicer
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: than that. He's the fucking man. He's such a stand-up guy.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, literally, he's a comedian. He's a great guy. Yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: can't sing his praises enough.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. One time he was tweeting out
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: some negative things about Philadelphia. And I retweeted it. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: a bunch of people who follow me were like, what
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: are you doing tweeting out negative stuff about Philadelphia for?
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, it's all true.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Because he said, like, Philadelphia is the worst city in
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the world. I said, yep, he's got that right. Retweet.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's fucking hilarious. It's great. Yeah, so you just
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: need that one yes. Just keep on plugging away.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing that I think discourages a lot of, uh,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: of filmmakers is, you know, when you're in that, like
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: that midpoint, cause you know, like mid forties and mid
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: fifties of hearing all the nose and we're going to pass.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I think that's where a lot of people, well, they
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: probably quit before that, but they, that's where a lot
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of people get, you know, that a lot of people
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: get into that Valley. You know what I mean? It's like, um,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: it's like Hills and valleys, you know? And I think that's, uh,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you know, where people just sort of, they give up,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: they go, look, I don't have time. I may have
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: a family. I might have, uh, You know, I've got
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: student loan debt. You know, I've got a car payment
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: coming through. And they're just like, I don't have time
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: to keep going around and trying to pitch this stuff. And,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: you know, and then they just sort of just put
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: it away at a desk drawer somewhere, you know. But, yeah,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: that's why I was saying, you know, I think, dude,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Brokepoint Massacre 3 is a success because you got it made.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And I think anything, honestly, Michael, that gets made... I
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: think it has to be a success. And I know
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: there's movies like, like let's, let's take, for example, Michael,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: the room, which is a movie, you know, very well. I, I,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: you know, that's, you know, I still think that's a
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: success because the amount of movies that never get made
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: are astronomical.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: And I, that's what I said. It's weird. I do
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of, I've done a lot of interviews and
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: talks about the room and lectures at colleges. And I,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: I always say the same thing, like, say what you
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: want to say about Tommy Wiseau. He made a fucking
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: movie and he finished it and he released it and
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: we're watching it. And he could have pulled the movie
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: and hid it from the public because of all the
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: ridicule and people making fun of it. But he put
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: his money where his mouth is and he kept pushing
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: it and letting people watch it. And that's, that's brilliant.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: You know, he changed it from a, an electrifying drama
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: on the trail and he changed it to a quirky
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: dark comedy. Like he rebranded it. He's, that's brilliant. That's
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: a success. He made a movie. So, all those filmmakers
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: out there that like to talk shit about, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Michael Bay or Tommy Rissell, it's like, well, are you
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: fucking making anything? Then you can't really talk shit. So like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: like fucking do it once, join the, you know, once
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: you join the club, then you can talk shit. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: have a, I'm sorry. I think so. It might be
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: coming up in a minute. I can hear like the
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: door in the hallway.
• 39:53
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• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And now back to the show.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, who's it going to be?
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: It's almost like a horror movie right now.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Who's it going to be? Oh, I guess no one.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. All right, cool. This is Spencer. Yeah. I'm
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: a film projectionist at USC. So I get to show
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: films and I get to keep listening to lectures, which
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: is fun. Um, but, uh, it's, it's like, that's my
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: office job and I'm still writing and editing. So it
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: allows me to do that while I work. Um, so
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: right now I'm just babysitting the booth for like the
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: festival books. Um, anyway, cut that out or not. I
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: don't care. All right.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: I think it's funny. I think it's funny if I
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: left that in, uh, I actually just hit my mic.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: So I think, but, uh, I think it was funny though,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: if I, if I leave that in, cause that was
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: pretty cool. Um, that it kind of turned into a
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: horror movie right there.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Someone's coming over. I'm in the booth. They're going to
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: kill the projectionist. Blood everywhere on the celluloid.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And we hear Michael, we hear you getting killed, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: like this, I just leave it in the episode. I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: just like, all right, everybody, I guess Michael's dead.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: It's actually Tommy was still coming to kill me. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: hear you're talking about the movie again, huh? I keep.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And funny enough.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: With The Room, we got Greg Sestero, who plays Mark,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: and he is in Dude Bro Party Massacre 3. Greg
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Sestero is the nicest guy, such a stand-up guy. A
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: bunch of stand-up guys are in this movie. And I
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: became friends with him because of The Room. He recognized
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: me as like, hey, there's that fan that's been here
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: since day one and started all that nonsense. Like, hey,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: that's a nice guy. And I just would see him
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: at screenings. I ran into him at Vegas in, like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: 2004 or something or 5. And, you know, this dude
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: taps me on the shoulder. And he's like, hey, Michael.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Big smile. And I'm, you know, I'm a little drunk.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: And I'm kind of like, who is this guy? How
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: does this guy know me? How do I know this guy?
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: And then I was like, oh, my God, it's fucking
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Greg Sestero. Because he had, like, the big Greg Sestero smile.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: And that's when it, like, registered, you know, from the room.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: And we just became friends, and he was in some
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: five-second films, and I said, would you like to play
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: a dude bro in Dude Bro Party Massacre 3? And
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: he was excellent. He was great. He's genuinely a good actor.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: It's amazing what an actor can do when they have
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: a good script with coherent lines and good direction. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: he's great in it. And I love how he says,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Greg says, it's so refreshing to... be proud of a
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: movie you're in and happily tell people and promote it. He's, he's, yeah,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: he's the best. So whenever he does, he does the
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: room screenings, he'll usually bring the Duper party mascot three
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: and do a double feature.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's really cool.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. He's, he's the man. He's, he's the nicest guy
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: in the world. I think probably a large percentage of our,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: of our screenings around the globe are because of, you know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Greg Sestero planting the seeds of dude, bro. He'll go
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: to a screening and they'll be like, oh yeah, you're
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: in Dubro, we'd love to see that. Watch the trailer
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: and they go, oh shit, let's do a double feature.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: God bless that guy. But anyway, yeah, what the fuck
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: are we talking about?
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: We were talking about just how to actually get a
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: movie made and stuff. It's good because I go on
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: a room tangent and then I hate my life. How
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: did I get back there?
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the room again.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: We were just talking about good stuff and now we're
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: talking about the room again.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: I don't want that on my tombstone. It's like, well,
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: that's why I want to, I think that's like the,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: the scary thing that's chasing me is like, I need
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: to create, cause I, I don't want to be remembered
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: as that guy that started the room phenomenon. Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I, I had a brief discussion about you, um,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: with my interview with Robin Paris and she was in
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: the room.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. She's, she's great.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: And cause she's doing a, like a, a, a documentary
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: called like the room actors.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Where are they now? The room mockumentary. I'm actually, yeah. Yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: And we talked about you because, you know, you found,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: you know, you walked into that midnight screening and were like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: what the hell? How do I keep this going?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: It wasn't even midnight. It was like 5 o'clock, 5 p.m.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: in a theater in the valley. I was like, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: saw a trailer for it at another theater because once
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: you rent a theater, yeah, you can show a trailer.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: And I saw it and I was like, what the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: fuck is this? I need to see this because it
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: looked like a comedy. And it said it was a
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: drama and that conflict is like, that's funny to me.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: I need to see this. So I saw it, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I dragged like a hundred friends, saw it four times
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: in three days. Yep, and then it ended its theater run.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: But anyway, Dude Bro Party Massacre 3 was such a
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: challenge to make.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, because I.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: I was like, I don't want to talk about the
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: room anymore. That's so sad.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: It's like I just keep bringing it back up. But,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: you know, so when you actually did make Dubrow Party
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Massacre 3, you know, did you always want to release
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: it through your own website or were you hoping, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: to go another route with it?
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: The dream was always like, OK, we wanted to play
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: in theaters, but we're realistic and we know how the
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: industry works and how it's changed. Uh, movies don't make
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: money in theaters unless they're like in a theatrical run,
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: unless they're big blockbusters or they're big stars in them. Um,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: because of Netflix and Hulu and Amazon and all that stuff,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: it's changed. So we, we were, what we wanted to
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: do was just take it to festivals and find, um,
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: a company to do distribution to just, you know, send
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: out the DVDs, like get it on Netflix. Um, And
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: we were happy with doing kind of these grassroots screenings.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: That's what we wanted to do. So when we wanted
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: it to be in theaters, that would be intention of
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: just taking it on the road and watching. And that's
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: what we did a lot. We did a lot last
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: year and we, and we just showed it in Paris
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. The Alamo draft house was fantastic.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: They kind of like took it on tour with us.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: We went all the way around Texas, Colorado, went to Virginia.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: with Alamo. Yeah, it's just grassroots. That's how we were
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: doing it. It'd be fun if it was playing a
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: week somewhere in New York, but we're not going to
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: pay for that. It's a waste of money because it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: not going to make any money. That's not how it works.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's just grassroots screenings and fans love it
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: and they either want to download it or buy it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Before we released The downloads for the public, we were
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: number two or three most torrented feature film that day,
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: unlike Pirate Bay. It was this weird joy and tears.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: It was like, oh, we're so excited. There's so many
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: people downloading our movie illegally. That's so cool. Oh, so sad.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I'm so honored. Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I actually, I had a friend of mine
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: who would, what they did was whenever they went to like, well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I don't want to give any torrent sites out, but
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: whenever they went to one of these torrent sites, they
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: actually would contact the person who put up the torrent
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: and they would say, hey, look, you know, they wouldn't
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: threaten legal action. What they would say is, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: because it's anonymous anyway. So they would say like, look,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: if you take it down, we will mail you a
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: copy of it, and a shirt or whatever, if you
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: could just take this torrent down, please, because it hurts us.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: And 50% of the time, he actually got a yes.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: And it was odd. I mean, it's an interesting strategy.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's quote-unquote the best, but it's
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: very interesting how he was able to do that, though.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Wow, I never thought of it that way.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Huh.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Well, that's pretty nice. Well, let's... I mean, people are
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: always going to download. You just can't escape it. That's
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: just how it is. And I kind of feel like, yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: I've downloaded a lot of TV shows and stuff. And
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, it's kind of justified. I get it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I'm just happy that people are watching it and enjoying it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: And they want to have their friends watch it. I mean,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: as long as people are watching it, then that's a success.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Like Roger Corman. I met Roger Corman, who is an amazing, like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: the giant of filmmaking because he's made so many movies and,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: you know, he's made some great films. He's made some schlock,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: but he, you know, he makes movies and he started
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: so many careers, Joe Dante, James Cameron. Um, and I
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: asked him in an interview, I was like, how do
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: you feel about, um, such shows like mystery science theater,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: people watch some of your movies and they just make
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: fun of them and they kind of, you know, poke
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: fun or tear them down. And he looked at me
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: and got really serious and he goes, I'm a filmmaker.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I'm a producer. My job is to make movies so
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: they can be seen. And whether it's being seen at
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: a drive-in or a movie theater or a late night television,
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: as long as people are watching it, I've done my job.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, shit. That's pretty awesome. on the nose. Correct. Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: So, and now do bird party massacre three is coming
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: out on blu-ray or area. Think about blu-ray able first.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: We're trying to get, um, it's right now it's just domestic. Um,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: we're trying to work on hopefully find it, finding international distribution, um, Um, so, uh,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: we're kind of withholding sending it out internationally so that
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: we're trying to work on that strategy, but we're, we're
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: distributing it ourselves, uh, domestically with, um, you know, we're
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: just shipping it out of our house.
• 49:55
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• 50:01
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• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Because I got to remember to pick up a copy
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: of that, too, by the way.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Thank you. Oh, God, thank you. Yeah, but yeah, it's fun.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: People are watching it. That's all I could ever ask for. Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: And, you know, and that's what I mean, you know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: and I think, you know, if you could, and I
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: know you're going to, you know, use all this, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: use the success, again, of Duperman Oscar III to sort
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: of go into the next film. Uh, where that's do
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: bro party massacre for, for, uh, actually. So Michael, you know,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: what is actually your next project? Can you see it?
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Can you talk about it or is it still written?
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Um, I've written a bunch of scripts, so that's just,
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of pushing those around. We'll see. Uh, that's it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: I'm just writing a lot. Um, a lot of the
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: other gang of five second films is, is doing the
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: same thing they're writing, um, or they're working on other shows. And, uh,
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: you know, some people are actually working for networks, like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: you know, for producing and content development, which is impressive.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: So we're all kind of like, I guess it was
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: so traumatic of six years of just constantly making content
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: with each other. And then the feature film that everyone's like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: we just need a break. No more stuff online. Just
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: like the internet is like consumed us for 10 years, basically.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: And we're kind of like, all right, we just need
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: to like, everyone just needs to like write and go to,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: go to like a shelter and just, just get over
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: the shell shock. Um, so yeah, everyone's just working on
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff. Um, uh, yeah. So I can't
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: really say what, because, you know, things, things are in
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: the pipeline and things fall through.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: So, so Michael, you know, I wanted to ask, you know, I,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I know we're sort of almost running out of time,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: but I wanted to ask you, you know, your, your
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: writing style, you know, do you, you know, as you're writing,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: do you outline a lot or, you know, Do you,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: are you more of a person who writes a pretty
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: lengthy treatment or so, you know, how exactly do you,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: do you, uh, you know, write your screenplays?
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Um, well, everyone does it differently. How I like to
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: do it is I write, um, I just, I kind
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: of open, I guess you could say like a Google
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: doc and I just write ideas. Um, I, I have
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: to go in knowing at the very least what story
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: I want to tell, uh, how I want it to
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: end or how I think it should end. how I
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: want it to start. So as long as I can
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: figure out how I want it to, how I want
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: to start and how I want it to end, then
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: that's where I started just throwing out ideas on a doc.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: And then I kind of like put those ideas in
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: chronological order. Um, you know, cause like the whole, it's
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: like five pages of just nonsense and stupid ideas. Then
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: what I do is I take those stupid ideas and then,
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: you know, arrange them chronologically and then start filling in
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: the gaps. sequential order of like, okay, well, if they
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: need to go here, then they go to this scene.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: Is there anything in the middle I need to clarify
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: and smooth over? And then by the end of it,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: I have what started off as a bunch of scattered
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: ideas eventually turns into kind of like an outline treatment.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: I don't really get the difference between a treatment and
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: an outline. I guess a treatment is like really, really detailed.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: and exceptionally long, but yeah, I just knock out a
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: solid outline. And from there, then I, um, I start
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: attacking it in script form. I also like doing note cards. Uh,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: my writing partner, Eric Sandoval from five second films also
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: loves note cards. So we'll just like, we'll put note
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: cards up on, on a big wall and it's kind of,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: so we can see everything. And, uh, he likes to do, um,
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: character stars. It's kind of like, um, a line graph
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: of like character relationships, um, They kind of form a
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: star or a triangle. Um, and we like to figure
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: out our rising action. Like what's like the climax, what's
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: the momentum building up to it? Um, yeah, yeah. I mean,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: you just got to figure out who your, who your
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: characters and how, what do you want to put them
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: through and how are they, how are they going to
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: change or not change? Uh, they, they at least have
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: to learn something and be different. And you know, they
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: have to be interesting. You can, Oh God, I can
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: ramble about writing.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Um, And believe me, Michael, I love to talk writing. Again, screenwriting,
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: that's my specialty.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: How do you do it? Everyone does it differently. How
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: do you do it, Dave?
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: I write a treatment that looks a lot like the
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: journals of the serial killer from Seven. And it just
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: is like, if anybody ever saw this, they would be like,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: what the hell? It was basically, it's like, you know, Uh,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: sometimes I just write almost like I'm writing a short
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: story and, but it's not a short story though. It's like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: it's not really a novel either, but it's like a
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: lot of, you know, different stuff. And then all of
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: a sudden I'll write like, you know, a slug line
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the sentence and I'll write like
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: dialogue that means absolutely nothing availing to me. And then,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going back and now it's just, you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: it's like a narrative. in the action lines. Um, it's
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: very odd. And then I usually, um, get frustrated and
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: throw it in the shredder. And then I come back, uh,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: and I start writing something else. And, uh, basically, uh,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you know, that's how I write though, is I, I
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: write the treatment style. The other, the other stuff I was,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: I was kind of sort of kidding around with writing,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: writing and throwing in the shredder.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: But, um, no, you can't throw this. You can put
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: it away, but you got to come back to it. Yes. Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Uh, George RR Martin said that he said, yeah, uh,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: You have to finish everything you start.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Yes. Well, everyone knows that the first draft is always garbage.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: So when you write a first draft, don't show it
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: to anybody because that's just, you just have to get
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: it out. And what I've learned is you can't be
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: afraid to write down a line that you know sucks.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: You just have to write it down. You got to
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: write that scene that sucks. Like the character has to
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: convince another character not to jump off that bridge. Just
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: write the scene down. Make them, talk them down. It
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: can be the shittiest, hokiest dialogue in the world. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: feel forced. Write it down and move on to the
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: next scene. And then you have a completed draft and
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: you can go back with your bullshit detector and go
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: through and be like, this is bullshit. This is bullshit.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: I need to make this more interesting and I need
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: to make this more original. And, you know, that's the
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: first draft. So when someone hands you a first draft,
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: it better be the third draft. You know what I mean?
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: They tell you, we all lie. It's like, hey, it's
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: the first draft because... We know there's going to be problems,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: but technically it's like the second, third draft. Yeah. With
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Dude Bro Party Massacre 3, we went through, fuck, hundreds
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: of drafts. And the writing process was insane because there
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: was like 12 of us because we were a big
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: comedy group. And it was the most, I think the
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: most intense part about the whole process other than the
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Kickstarter campaign was the writing process because there were so
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: many jokes that um, that it got to the point
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: where we weren't even arguing about story. We were arguing
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: about what jokes, which is funnier and, you know, what
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: direction do we want to take the humor in this
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: and that? Um, so it went through a lot of
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: fucking drafts, a lot of drafts.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm really happy that all the fake commercials, uh,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: were kept in there, uh, because those, I think really
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: added that charm. Oh, also, you know, cause, cause you know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: like it looks like somebody recorded this off TV and
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I thought that was awesome too. Uh, you know, let
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: me just have the.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Uh, the kind of five second films tone of commercials. And,
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: and also like when you record it, I don't know, kids,
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: kids each day, you even remember back in the day
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: before DVR, we use a VCR and you have to
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: cut out the commercials. If you wanted to have, like
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: if a movie's on and you wanted, you didn't want
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: to interrupt the flow, you try to cut out the commercials,
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: but you'd always end up with a little bit of commercials.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: So that was a way that we could poke fun
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: at the eighties and commercialism and, and, hokey commercials and
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: still have a five second film feel to the whole thing.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: That was a lot of fun.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: And everyone, if you haven't seen it yet, I really
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: recommend you check out Dude Bro Party Massacre 3. And
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: spoiler alert, there's no first two. So people, I'm sure,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: are probably going to be like, what the hell? I
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: haven't seen the first two. A friend of mine actually
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: said that. He was like, why do I want to
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: watch Dude, Robo-Masker 3? He's like, I haven't even seen
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: the first two. I was like, trust me, it's part
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: of the joke. And I put it in, and when
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: he saw, like, oh, it was taped off VHS, he
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, I get it now. And then,
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, he loved the fake commercials, too.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: That's great. Yeah. It was such a dangerous decision to
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: name it the third film. But we wanted to do that.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: We thought it was... It's funny to us. Um... and
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: it the third part of a trilogy i mean you
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: know out of a horror franchise the third one is
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: always when it gets a little ridiculous yeah then we're
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: like fuck it this is what we want to do
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: um so it's a very difficult film to to market
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: because people look at it and they'll be like what
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: the fuck where's first but we catch you up to
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: speed in the first five minutes which is was one
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: of my favorite things is kind of like telling the
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: story of the first two movies that don't exist and
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: building the mythology. And that was kind of an homage
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: to Friday the 13th 4, where they tell the story
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: through all the kill montages. And that was directed by
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: Joey Skoma. He directed the kill montage and the commercials.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: And then there was myself and John Salmon, who was
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: also the director of photography. and Tom Jacobson, who were
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: the other three directors. We kind of approached it like
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: the Zucker Brothers. It was kind of like a communal thing.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: We've worked together as Five Second Films for years, that
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: we all know each other's style, and we work great together.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: It just didn't feel right to have one director in
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: charge of everything. We're pretty democratic, which is great, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: also kind of a nightmare, because sometimes you've got to
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: It gets to the point when you want to figure
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: out a joke, you have to kind of....
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• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Listen to 10 other people. But it helps because everyone
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: brought their own unique style to the writing process, and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: the movie is truly a five-second film collaboration. And I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: don't know if you actually know this, but Do Bro
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: Party Massacre 3 actually originally was a five second film.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: So we shot that in like 2009 as a joke,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: you know, just daily content. And a agency company was
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: kind of courting us and they're saying, you guys are
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: really funny, but can you do anything longer than five seconds?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: So we made some sketches and And we made a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: joke trailer, and we made a joke trailer for Dubrow
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: Party Massacre 3 with no intention ever of doing it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: as a real film. We just did it as a joke.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: And then years down the road when we were getting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: serious about, okay, what is the feature film we want
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: to do? And I think it was Joey Skoma said,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: let's do Dubrow Party Massacre 3. I think that would
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: be a hilarious movie. I said, yeah, we're a gory group.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: We have dark humor. Uh, and it just made sense. Like,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: all right, let's, let's do this. And, um, yeah. And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: then it took like two years to write it because
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: we wanted to make sure it was fucking perfect. Perfect
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: being bad, you know, like a bad, like a schlock
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: B movie.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Well, cause you know, Michael, it does, it takes a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: lot of talent to, to do something that, you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: exactly looks like a B movie, you know, it, you know, and,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: and make sure that, you know, it, it doesn't turn
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: into something like, um, I don't know.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: It has to be sincere.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Exactly, sincere.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Have you ever seen The Lost Skeleton of Cadavera?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: No, I haven't.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: I hate that movie. I'm so disappointed by it because
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: I saw the trailer a long time ago. It's probably
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: like 2000-something. It's a black and white B-movie. It's kind
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: of like Ed Wood's style. They're aliens and then there's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: a ghost and a walking skeleton. and it's all cheap
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: and the trailer is fantastic and then you watch the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: movie like this sucks this sucks so bad because it's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: trying hard to be bad and it just there's no
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: humor and you know it feels forced and it's just
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: not sincere it just it just doesn't feel like a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: sincere film like the why the room so great is
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: because it's very sincere it's a very you know like
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: he's pouring his heart out it's bad. Um, yeah, but
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: with dude, bro, we like, you know, Tom and Joey
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: and I, and we, we love horror films. You love them.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: We love eighties horror films. So, um, we wanted to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: have fun with it, but still have great gore and,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: you know, cheesy scares and, uh, yeah. But, you know,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: the most important thing is like, what's the story. And, and,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: and the characters. And the problem with Dubrow is like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: there's too many characters, but we still had to, we
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: still had fun telling them. And like, you know, Brock
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: is like, he immediately tells you his motivation. I'm not
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: here to make friends. I'm here to find out who
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: murdered my twin brother and get revenge. Like, that's what
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: he's done. That's what he's doing. He has a clear goal.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: He's like, oh, I'm here to find out who murdered
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: my twin brother and get revenge. I'm not here to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: make friends. And of course, at the end, he makes friends.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: And the big joke is, that one of the smartest
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: writing moves is Alec Owen had, and he became the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: head writer towards the end. He said, the dude bros
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: are terrible people. They're not the good guys. They're the
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: bad guys. Motherface, who's the killer, is actually the hero
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: and doing the right by killing these dude bros. And
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: we're like, oh my God, you're right. That's the end
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: of the movie. That's the third act is like, these
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: guys are monsters. And that kind of cracked the code
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: and opened up a lot of interesting ideas. It was great.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: The big confrontation between Motherface and Brent at the end
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: came out of that idea. We're like, holy shit, this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: is how it's supposed to be. Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: There's a good piece of writing advice because one thing
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: I've learned too is this writing teacher once told me
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: that Dave, the antagonist of the film is actually the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: person moving the film because it's their actions that cause
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: a reaction from the protagonist.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah. And the best villains are villains that don't
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: think they're villains, you know, like, I mean, other with
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: the horror film, you know, like, you know, Jason, Jason
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: doesn't know he's a villain. He's just doing it. He's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: getting revenge, you know? Freddy is evil, but he's having
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: fun with it. And that's what Motherface is. She's having
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: fun with it. She's being a killer. She's getting joy
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: killing it because she's enacting revenge because they killed her mother.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: And that's why she's Motherface. She wears the face of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: her mother. And yeah, she's actually right. The Dubros are
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: terrible people.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: And so the thing is, they're not likable characters. Michael,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: I would definitely like to have you come back on
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: sometime soon. uh, you know, do a part two where
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: we could even get even more in a screenwriting, uh,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: you know, and stuff like that. Uh, you know, uh,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: some other guests have done it as well. And it's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: really cool because we know one topic we sort of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: just hit on and we ended up coming back and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: doing like, you know, a part two type of deal. Yes.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: Yes. That would be great.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: So, you know, well then Michael in, in, in closing, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, is there anything that you wanted to say
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  Speaker 4: or anything, anything you want to cover that we didn't
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  Speaker 4: get a chance to, to sort of put a period
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  Speaker 4: at the end of this whole discussion?
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Yes. Um, When you make your first film and
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  Speaker 5: when you write your first script that you know you're
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  Speaker 5: going to make yourself, don't have 40 speaking roles. Don't
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  Speaker 5: have 50 locations. Don't have animals in it. Don't have
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  Speaker 5: fire in it. Don't have water, have people swimming in
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  Speaker 5: a lake or body of water. If you want to
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  Speaker 5: have union actors because you're going to have to have
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  Speaker 5: insurance and all these things like, stunt coordinators and pyrotechnics
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  Speaker 5: uh technicians and lifeguards and a water truck and you
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  Speaker 5: know like and we did all of that in dude
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  Speaker 5: bro because we were crazy and we wanted to make
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  Speaker 5: it our way and it kind of was it was
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  Speaker 5: a huge battle so if you want to do your
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  Speaker 5: first film just like three people and like in a
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  Speaker 5: couple locations and just keep it simple no kids got
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  Speaker 5: to do studio teachers and all this shit. So if
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  Speaker 5: you don't have any money, shoot what shoot with what
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  Speaker 5: right with right for what you have. That's my advice.
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  Speaker 5: So the first film you're going to do, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't have to be, you know, it doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: to be Lawrence of Arabia. It can be very simple, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, short term 12 or something. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and that is very good advice. Cause I
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  Speaker 4: did the same thing. You know, I, once, you know,
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  Speaker 4: after I did my student film, My next film, I
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  Speaker 4: tried to do way too much and ended up needing
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  Speaker 4: squibs and stuff like that. Finally, I said, what the
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  Speaker 4: hell did I get myself into? It ended up just
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  Speaker 4: becoming a complete freaking mess. That is good advice.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to fucking do it, you just have
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  Speaker 5: to realize that it's not going to be easy. Just
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  Speaker 5: do it. If you want to do it, you got
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  Speaker 5: to do it, but you got to be willing to
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  Speaker 5: accept the bed that you have written. Yes. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I just, you know, go out there and make movies.
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  Speaker 5: That's all I got to say. Just do it.
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  Speaker 4: So Michael, where can people find you at online?
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  Speaker 5: They can find me at M R Rousselet, uh, M
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  Speaker 5: R R O U S S E L U T. Um,
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  Speaker 5: or at five SF or five second films, uh, and
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  Speaker 5: a YouTube five second films or five second films.com. But
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  Speaker 5: more importantly, uh, DudeBroPartyMassacre3. com to buy the DVD or Blu-ray
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  Speaker 5: if you are domestic. Or you can download it on
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  Speaker 5: iTunes internationally. Or illegally if you want to be a
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  Speaker 5: dick about it. But the iTunes... I mean, the DVD
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  Speaker 5: and the download on DudeBroPartyMassacre3. com has a lot of extras, commentary,
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  Speaker 5: and a 45-50 minute featurette. And... of the making of process,
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  Speaker 5: it's bonkers. You can see all the crazy shit we
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  Speaker 5: had to do it's a crazy film so I think
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  Speaker 5: you know if you open up a couple of beers
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  Speaker 5: and watch it with.
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  Speaker 6: Your friends you're gonna have fun yeah and everyone I
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  Speaker 6: will link to all Michael's links in the show notes
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  Speaker 6: Michael I want to say thank you so much for
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  Speaker 6: coming on Uh, like I said, I was a big,
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  Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of Duke real party massacre three.
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  Speaker 4: And, uh, honestly, I can't wait to see what you
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  Speaker 4: guys come up with next.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks dude. Really appreciate it, Dave. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my pleasure, my friend. I will talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And if you ever want to talk more about writing,
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  Speaker 5: go ahead, hit me up. I will. I believe me.
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  Speaker 5: I will. All right. Rock and roll. Have a great one.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Take care of my friend.
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  Speaker 5: Bye bye.
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  Speaker 3: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 3: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
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  Speaker 3: head over to the show notes at bulletproofscreenwriting.tv forward slash 489.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening, guys.
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  Speaker 1: As always, keep on writing no matter what. I'll talk
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  Speaker 1: to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast at bulletproofscreenwriting.tv.