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The Mystery House: Philadelphia's Digital Grave of Seven Women · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: I want you to imagine, just for a second, that
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  Speaker 1: you are standing on the sidewalk of a completely unassuming street.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, let's say it's Shoe Avenue, right, in the only
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood of Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You've just inherited a house from an estranged relative. You
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  Speaker 1: put the key in the lock, you push the door open,
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  Speaker 1: and you start what should just be the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the incredibly mundane process of clearing out a lifetime of
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  Speaker 1: accumulated clutter.
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  Speaker 2: Just a normal weekend chore.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. You're sifting through dusty furniture, old tax returns,
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  Speaker 1: the usual detritus of a long life. Then you find
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  Speaker 1: a stack of hard drives in a home office.
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  Speaker 2: Which isn't weird on its own.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. You naturally assume it is, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, digital photo albums, maybe some scanned documents. But
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  Speaker 1: you plug one of those drives into your laptop and
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  Speaker 1: you suddenly realize the walls around you and the files
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  Speaker 1: loading on your screen... contain a decade-long secret.
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  Speaker 2: A horrifying one.
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  Speaker 1: A secret involving over one million digital files and the
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  Speaker 1: disappearances of seven different women.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it's the kind of discovery that permanently fractures
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  Speaker 2: your understanding of what can happen in a residential neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: The source material we're analyzing today isn't just a look
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  Speaker 2: at a standard crime scene. We are examining what really
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  Speaker 2: appears to be an unprecedented digital archive of human suffering.
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  Speaker 1: It's massive. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's active, sprawling federal and local investigation with an
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  Speaker 2: incredibly bizarre cast of characters. I mean, you have a
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  Speaker 2: deceased primary suspect, his son, who is currently awaiting federal trial,
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  Speaker 2: and a massive multi-agency task force trying to just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: categorize an unimaginable volume of data.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And our mission for this deep dive into the
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  Speaker 1: source material is to map out exactly how this happened
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  Speaker 1: and Because we are looking at a timeline that spans
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  Speaker 1: over a decade centered entirely on that property on 2 Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: From those million digital files, investigators have identified seven missing women.
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  Speaker 1: And based on the forensic analysis of those files, five
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  Speaker 1: of those women are currently believed.
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  Speaker 2: To be dead. It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So we're going to examine the mechanics
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  Speaker 1: of how this house was discovered, the nearly impossible technical
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  Speaker 1: burden this places on digital forensics teams. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the institutional friction between law enforcement and the grieving families.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a whole other layer to this.
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  Speaker 1: It is. But what I fundamentally cannot wrap my head
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  Speaker 1: around in the source material is the logistical camouflage. Like,
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  Speaker 1: how does an operation of this magnitude spanning over 10
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  Speaker 1: years exist in a major American city without a single
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  Speaker 1: noise complaint or, you know, a concerned neighbor triggering an investigation?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're hitting on the core behavioral anomaly of this case.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Spatial camouflage is one of the hardest things for an
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  Speaker 2: offender to maintain over a long period. But before we
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  Speaker 2: can really dismantle how the house stayed hidden, we have
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  Speaker 2: to look at the incredibly unpredictable way it was finally
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  Speaker 2: exposed in June of 2026.
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  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't some grand detective work, right?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. The investigation didn't start because a detective
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  Speaker 2: connected the dots on a missing persons board. It started
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  Speaker 2: entirely by accident, with the arrest of a 44-year-old man
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  Speaker 2: named Eugene Horsch.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And the circumstances of Eugene's arrest are what initially
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  Speaker 1: pulled me in. Federal authorities pick him up and the
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  Speaker 1: precipitating charge isn't murder or kidnapping. He was arrested for
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  Speaker 1: carrying fake FBI credentials.
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  Speaker 2: Which is incredibly rare.
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  Speaker 1: It's a massive red flag. When I read that, my
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  Speaker 1: first thought wasn't that the police accidentally stumbled onto a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer's archive.
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  Speaker 2: No. Why would it be?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Wait, I need to understand this leap. How does
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  Speaker 1: someone getting busted for a fake badge suddenly lead authorities
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  Speaker 1: to uncover what looks like a serial killer's archive? Is
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  Speaker 1: this pure luck or the cascading effect of search warrants?
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that it's the domino effect of
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  Speaker 2: legal warrants. Impersonating a federal agent provides an offender with
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  Speaker 2: an overwhelming psychological advantage.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if someone flashes a badge, you listen.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It forces immediate compliance from a victim. But from
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  Speaker 2: a legal perspective, carrying forged federal credentials triggers an automatic
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  Speaker 2: scorched earth response from the actual federal government.
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  Speaker 1: They don't play around with that.
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely do not. They don't just issue a citation
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  Speaker 2: for that. The moment a suspect is caught with fake
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  Speaker 2: FBI badges, agencies need to know the extent of the operation.
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  Speaker 2: Are they printing these themselves? Do they have tactical gear?
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  Speaker 2: Are there wiretaps involved?
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  Speaker 1: So they have to go in.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. To answer those questions, the federal authorities secured a
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  Speaker 2: search warrant for Eugene Drez Residence, which is the house
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  Speaker 2: on 2 Avenue.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the legal concept of a search
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  Speaker 1: warrant gets really interesting because they didn't walk into that
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  Speaker 1: house looking for bodies or evidence of a decade long
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  Speaker 1: string of disappearances.
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  Speaker 2: No, they walked in looking for printers, cardstock and laminators.
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  Speaker 1: Just office supplies, basically.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much. When law enforcement executes a warrant, they are
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  Speaker 2: bound by the scope of what a judge has authorized. However,
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  Speaker 2: There is a legal mechanism called the Plain View Doctrine,
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  Speaker 2: coupled with a standard operating procedure for seizing digital media
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  Speaker 2: in forgery cases.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, because if you're forging documents, it's all on computers now.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If you are investigating the digital fabrication of federal documents,
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  Speaker 2: you are legally entitled to seize every computer, flash drive,
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  Speaker 2: and external hard drive in that house.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this for a second because the jurisdictional
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  Speaker 1: shift here is crucial. The local police... initially slap Eugene
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  Speaker 1: with state charges based on the raid. But by August
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  Speaker 1: of 2026, the Pennsylvania prosecutors completely withdraw all five state charges.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. They drop them.
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  Speaker 1: They just pack up and walk away from it. Is
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  Speaker 1: that a sign that the local case was falling apart
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  Speaker 1: or is there a strategic reason they stepped back?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a highly strategic move. It's a jurisdictional chess match. Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When local prosecutors withdraw charges in a high profile case
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  Speaker 2: like this, it's almost always to clear the runway for
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  Speaker 2: the federal government.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't step on each other's toes.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. By stepping back, the state allows Eugene to be
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  Speaker 2: held in federal custody, facing federal charges for possession of
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  Speaker 2: a firearm by a felon, as well as the possession
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  Speaker 2: of unlawfully produced documents and authentication features.
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  Speaker 1: And the feds don't mess around.
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  Speaker 2: No, the federal system generally moves faster, has stiffer mandatory minimums,
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  Speaker 2: and it secured him in a federal holding facility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: His jury trial for those specific limited document and weapons
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  Speaker 2: charges is is actually scheduled for January.
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  Speaker 1: So they secure Eugene. They seize the hard drives, expecting
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  Speaker 1: to find, like, Photoshop files of fake badges. And the
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  Speaker 1: investigation suddenly pivots backward in time.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: Because Eugene inherited this house. The focus violently shifts to
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  Speaker 1: the man who left it to him, his father, Raymond Horsch,
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  Speaker 1: who went by R.C. Right. And looking at R.C. 's
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  Speaker 1: background completely answers my earlier question about how this house
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  Speaker 1: stayed off the radar.
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  Speaker 2: R.C.
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  Speaker 1: Horsch died in 2025 at the age of 82. He
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  Speaker 1: was never charged with any disappearances while he was alive.
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  Speaker 2: Which is astounding. It is.
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  Speaker 1: But his profession provided the ultimate cover. He was a photographer,
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  Speaker 1: a filmmaker, and a self-published author who specialized in highly
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  Speaker 1: violent fetish films and sadomasochistic erotica.
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  Speaker 2: And when you look at the forensic implications of his profession,
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  Speaker 2: it is terrifyingly brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer logistics of committing violent crimes in a residential
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  Speaker 2: area usually trip offenders up. I mean, if you start
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  Speaker 2: dragging soundproofing foam, heavy lighting rigs, industrial restraints, and medical
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  Speaker 2: equipment into a suburban garage, your neighbors are going to notice.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they're going to think you're building a dungeon.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They will call the police to request a welfare check.
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  Speaker 1: But if R.C. 's neighbors see someone carrying a prop
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  Speaker 1: dummy or a set of chains into the house, he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to hide it.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: He just smiles, waves, and says, oh, hey, we're shooting
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  Speaker 1: a new independent film this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like investigators walked onto a real-life horror movie set,
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  Speaker 2: but realized the director had already passed away.
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  Speaker 1: That's a perfect way to describe it. He had a
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  Speaker 1: fully integrated, publicly known alibi for possessing the tools of
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  Speaker 1: extreme violence.
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  Speaker 2: Which is Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: Make that a step further. It doesn't just explain the equipment,
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  Speaker 1: it explains the audio.
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  Speaker 2: If neighbors hear screaming or strange thumping noises coming from
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  Speaker 2: the basement, their brains automatically default to the most logical,
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  Speaker 2: non-threatening explanation available to them. Which is, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just R.C. shooting another one of his movies.
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  Speaker 1: He just tuned it out.
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  Speaker 2: He weaponized his profession to create a localized zone of apathy.
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  Speaker 2: He blurred the line between staged transgressive art and actual
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  Speaker 2: physical violence so effectively that the people living mere feet
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  Speaker 2: away completely ignored it.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the digital archive. Because that blurred
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  Speaker 1: line between art and reality is the exact nightmare investigators
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  Speaker 1: are dealing with right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's the biggest hurdle they have.
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  Speaker 1: When the authorities seized those hard drives from the Chew
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  Speaker 1: Avenue home, they recovered over one million images and videos.
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  Speaker 1: One million. Let's just pause on that number.
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  Speaker 2: It's incomprehensible.
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  Speaker 1: You and I get overwhelmed trying to find a specific
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  Speaker 1: screenshot on our phones from two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: This task force is staring down a terabyte level mountain
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  Speaker 1: of media. So far, they've only managed to review about
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  Speaker 1: 30 percent of it. And within that fraction, they have
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  Speaker 1: already identified 58 different people.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And the metadata embedded in files involving just three
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  Speaker 1: of the women stretches all the way back to 2017.
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  Speaker 2: The word metadata gets thrown around a lot. But in
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  Speaker 2: digital forensics, we are specifically talking about AGSAFF data, exchangeable
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  Speaker 2: image file format. OK.
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  Speaker 1: What does that actually track?
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you take a photo or record a video
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  Speaker 2: with a modern device, it doesn't just capture pixels. It
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  Speaker 2: captures the exact GPS coordinates, the altitude, the make and
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  Speaker 2: model of the camera, the lens aperture, and the precise
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  Speaker 2: timestamp down to the millisecond.
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  Speaker 1: So investigators aren't just looking at a photo and saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of looks like the basement.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: They are pulling the XIF data and saying... we can
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  Speaker 1: mathematically prove this specific victim was inside the Chew Avenue
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  Speaker 1: property at 2.14 a.m. on a specific Tuesday in 2017.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It effectively dismantles any wrong place, wrong time alibi.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But the sheer volume of this data requires massive computational filtering.
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  Speaker 2: You don't just sit a detective at a desk and
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  Speaker 2: have them double-click a million JPEG files.
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  Speaker 1: They'd be there for decades. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Digital forensics units use highly specialized software. Platforms like Celebrate
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  Speaker 2: or Magnet AXIOMAM. The first step is running hashing algorithms
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  Speaker 2: against the drive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what's a hashing algorithm?
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  Speaker 2: A hash is basically a unique digital signature for a file.
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  Speaker 2: They run the entire drive against databases of known benign files.
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  Speaker 2: Things like Windows operating system logos... generic software icons, standard
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  Speaker 2: web cache images, and the software automatically filters those out.
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  Speaker 1: So they have to separate the digital noise from the
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  Speaker 1: actual human-generated media.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But even after the algorithms strip out the noise, you
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  Speaker 1: still have human beings, detectives, analysts who have to sit
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  Speaker 1: in a dark room and watch hundreds of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: files of suspected torture and violence.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly heavy work.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine the psychological toll that takes on a
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  Speaker 1: task force like How do you systematically watch a million
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  Speaker 1: files looking for proof of life or death without losing
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  Speaker 1: your mind?
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  Speaker 2: It requires stringent psychological protocols, similar to what you see
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  Speaker 2: in Internet Crimes Against Children or ICPC task forces. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They must have systems in place.
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  Speaker 2: They do. Analysts are often required to view the media
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  Speaker 2: without audio first or view it in smaller time-gated increments
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  Speaker 2: to prevent severe secondary trauma. Because they aren't just cataloging faces,
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  Speaker 2: they're looking for biological indicators of life or death.
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  Speaker 1: Which means bringing in medical professionals.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The Philadelphia Medical Examiner's Office was brought in specifically
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  Speaker 2: to review images involving three of these women.
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  Speaker 1: And what did they find?
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  Speaker 2: Their conclusion was grim. They formally advised investigators that, assuming
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  Speaker 2: the images are authentic and haven't been digitally altered, the
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  Speaker 2: women depicted appear to be deceased.
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  Speaker 1: But here is the massive legal hurdle I see in
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  Speaker 1: the source material. An image that, quote-unquote, appears to show
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  Speaker 1: someone who is deceased Doesn't automatically close a murder case.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It just opens a very complicated legal debate.
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  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, which is really the absolute
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  Speaker 2: core of criminal prosecution. It's the concept of corpus delicti.
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  Speaker 1: Corpus delicti.
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  Speaker 2: OK. Yeah. It's a Latin phrase that translates to the
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  Speaker 2: body of the crime. In the United States legal system,
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  Speaker 2: before you can introduce a confession or secure a homicide conviction,
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  Speaker 2: you generally have to prove that a crime actually occurred.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You can't just say someone died without proof.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Traditionally, in a murder case, the corpus delicti is
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  Speaker 2: the physical body of the victim showing signs of unnatural death.
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  Speaker 1: So if you don't have a physical body, the digital
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  Speaker 1: evidence is basically standing alone.
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  Speaker 2: And that is a very precarious place for a prosecutor
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: I can already hear the defense attorney's opening statement. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to stand up in front of a jury and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, My client's father was a renowned creator of transgressive,
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  Speaker 1: extreme horror films. The people in these videos are paid
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  Speaker 1: actors wearing elaborate Hollywood-grade special effects makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly what they'll say.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecution wants to put a man in federal prison
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  Speaker 1: over a movie prop.
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  Speaker 2: And that defense is incredibly potent when you have zero
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  Speaker 2: physical corroboration.
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  Speaker 1: It introduces reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Huge amounts of it. If you have a video of
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  Speaker 2: a homicide, but no physical crime scene, no murder weapon...
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  Speaker 2: and no biological remains, a defense attorney will aggressively argue
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  Speaker 2: that the video is a fabrication.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a deepfake or something.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They will claim a deepfake or a staged piece
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  Speaker 2: of extreme performance art, which, as we discussed, perfectly aligns
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  Speaker 2: with R.C. Horsch's well-documented career.
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  Speaker 1: It's the perfect built-in excuse.
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  Speaker 2: To cross the threshold from a deeply disturbing video to
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  Speaker 2: a legally provable, beyond a reasonable doubt, murder is... Investigators
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  Speaker 2: need the physical world to match the digital world.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They need DNA. They need blood spatter embedded in the floorboards.
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  Speaker 2: They need the physical proof.
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  Speaker 1: Which perfectly explains why investigators have spent months absolutely tearing
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  Speaker 1: the Chew Avenue house apart.
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  Speaker 2: They have to.
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  Speaker 1: Our sources indicate they are systematically dismantling the property. They've
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  Speaker 1: brought in specialized cameras to sneak through the underground plumbing
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  Speaker 1: and pipes.
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  Speaker 2: Looking for anything.
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  Speaker 1: But the devastating reality is that despite months of meticulous searching...
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  Speaker 1: They have found zero human remains. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Which is baffling.
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  Speaker 1: It is. However, they didn't leave empty-handed. In the basement,
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  Speaker 1: they uncovered an active attempt to grow and produce narcotics.
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  Speaker 2: Which is another felony. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But more alarmingly, they found a stockpile of specific chemicals.
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  Speaker 1: They are currently waiting on laboratory tests to determine if
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  Speaker 1: these chemicals were used to destroy physical evidence or, much
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  Speaker 1: more horrifyingly, to dissolve human biological matter.
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  Speaker 2: And the presence of those chemicals radically alters the forensic approach.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you are dealing with the potential chemical dissolution
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  Speaker 2: of remains, standard crime scene techniques, like luminol for blood
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  Speaker 2: or bringing in cadaver dogs, they often aren't enough.
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  Speaker 1: Because the chemicals destroy the scent.
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  Speaker 2: And the structure. Depending on the agents used, strong alkalis
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  Speaker 2: or acids can completely break down organic tissue. That includes
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  Speaker 2: teeth and bone, which are the most resilient materials in
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  Speaker 2: the human body.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so if a body is literally turned into liquid,
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  Speaker 1: how does a forensic team find any microscopic proof of
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  Speaker 1: that years later? You're essentially looking for a ghost.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult. Finding a DNA profile after chemical dissolution
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  Speaker 2: isn't like finding a needle in a haystack.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: It's like trying to find a specific needle after you've
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  Speaker 2: thrown the entire haystack into an industrial incinerator.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You aren't looking for the needle anymore. You're looking for
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  Speaker 2: the melted trace metals left in the ash.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds impossible.
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  Speaker 2: It's not impossible, just highly technical. In the basement, forensic
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  Speaker 2: chemists will rely on advanced techniques like spectroscopy. They bounce
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  Speaker 2: light off the concrete floor to read its underlying chemical signature.
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  Speaker 1: Why the concrete?
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  Speaker 2: Because bone contains high levels of calcium phosphate. So the
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  Speaker 2: chemists aren't looking for a bone fragment. They're looking for
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  Speaker 2: an unnatural, concentrated spike in calcium signatures embedded deep within
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  Speaker 2: the pores of the concrete.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: They will also dismantle the plumbing to check the P-traps,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: those are the curved pipes under drains. They're looking for
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: heavy metal deposits or calcified sludge that survived the flushing process.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: And while they're looking for that microscopic chemical evidence, they
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: also found something intensely analog.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, they did.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Among the items seized during the summer raids was a
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: handwritten note.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: This is a wild detail. It is.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And the contents are incredibly specific. It's a piece of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: writing focused on the infamous serial killer Ted Bundy. The
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: note explicitly references zip ties, a drum, killings, and includes
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the chilling phrase, trash that needs to go.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: From an investigative standpoint, a note like that is a
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: critical piece of the puzzle regarding intent and methodology.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: The mention of a drum heavily correlates with the chemicals
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: found in the basement. It suggests a contained, highly organized
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: method of disposal designed to leave absolutely no trace.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though. The legal battle
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: over this single piece of paper is already in motion.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, they are fighting over it.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: We know from the source material that Eugene Horsh's defense
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: attorney has already floated the idea that R.C., the deceased father,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: was the author of the Bundy Note. It is an
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: incredibly convenient strategy. It's the empty chair defense. You blame
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the ghost. You point all the physical evidence of violence
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: at the man who isn't alive to sit in the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: courtroom and defend himself.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: It is the most legally sound strategy available to a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: defense attorney when the primary suspect is deceased and their
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: living client is facing severe federal charges.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: He's pushed it all onto the dead guy.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If Eugene's defense can attribute the chemicals, the note,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and the digital files exclusively to Arcee's historical activities... They
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: insulate Eugene from the most severe implications of the search warrant.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So it's not Eugene's drum of chemicals, it's his dad's.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: That's the argument they'll make.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: We've spent a massive amount of time talking about the suspects,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the algorithms, the concrete, and the jurisdiction. But the absolute
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: heart of this source material is the victims.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: We can't lose sight of that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: No, we really can't. The only shred of utility in
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that massive, horrific digital archive is that it finally allowed
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: police to connect faces to missing persons reports.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It gave families some kind of answer.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We have to walk through the timeline of the seven
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: women identified so far because the chronology is staggering. It
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: spans over a decade from 2012 to 2023. Let's start
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: at the beginning.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: OK, the earliest identified disappearance in this cluster is Gabrielle Amarando.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: She was in her early 20s when she vanished in 2012.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And what do we know about her situation at the time?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Her mother has spoken publicly about Gabrielle's struggles, noting that
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: she was battling a severe, inescapable drug addiction at the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: time she went missing.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Which makes someone so vulnerable.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Incredibly vulnerable. Based on the digital forensics recovered from the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: hard drives, police currently believe Gabrielle is deceased.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So then there is a four-year gap in the known timeline.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: In 2016, Amy McHale disappears. She was in her mid-40s.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And the connection to the suspect here is direct and undeniable.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Amy was R.C. Horsch's ex-wife.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That's a huge detail.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It really is. Her daughter reported that Amy was actively
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: using heroin and receiving methadone treatments when she vanished. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the very last place anyone saw her alive was the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: property on Chew Avenue.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: That direct physical proximity represents a significant escalation, or at
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: least a shift in targeting.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you move from someone struggling with addiction in the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: broader community, like Gabrielle, to someone intimately connected to the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: suspect's history and his physical residence.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: It's much closer to home, literally.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Then we look at 2018. which represents a concentrated
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: cluster in the data. Maribel Freses, who was in her
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: early 20s, was reported missing.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And her family was just in the dark for years.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: They were. When the police finally informed her family about
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the digital evidence linking her to Chew Avenue, her brother
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Dawson was completely blindsided.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: He told reporters that after eight years of silence, he'd
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: entirely given up hope of ever knowing what happened to her.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Based on the recovered files, she's also believed to be deceased.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Also in that 2018 cluster is Nicole Fusaro. She was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: 27 years old. She was last seen near the intersection
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of Kensington and Allegheny Avenues, which is roughly four miles
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: away from the Chew Avenue home. Her case is deeply
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: specific and incredibly tragic because a family member, her cousin,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: has stated publicly that police possess a video of R.C.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Horsch actively strangling her.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's horrific.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She is also believed to be deceased. Then there is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a massive five-year jump in the timeline to 2023. Blair Tanzelli,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: age 35, goes missing.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And this is a very crucial part of the timeline.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It is, and this is the detail that completely upends
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the narrative of this being a purely historical case. When
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Eugene Horsch was arrested by federal authorities in June of 2026,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the police noted that a woman who was physically with
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: him during the arrest was carrying Blair Tanzelli's identification card. Right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And to complete the known victimology, investigators have also identified
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a sixth woman, approximately 25 years old, whose family has
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: requested complete privacy.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Which we will absolutely respect.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Of course. And a seventh woman, currently categorized as a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Jane Doe in her 20s. Both of these unnamed women
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: are believed to be deceased based on the recordings.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Looking at this entire timeline,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I have to stop and ask how the math works here.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: We are looking at an 11-year span from 2012 to 2023.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's a massive window.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: R.C. Horsch died in 2025 at the age of 82.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Which means in 2012, when Gabrielle went missing, he was
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: pushing 70.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: When Blair vanished in 2023, he was 80 years old.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: How does a man in his late 70s and 80s
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: possess the physical capability to systematically abduct, restrain, and allegedly
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: murder multiple women over a decade without leaving a massive
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: physical footprint?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the physical
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: capability of an elderly offender is often subsidized by the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: intense vulnerability of the victims they select.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We'll have to look at the socio-geographic reality of where
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: these women were taken from. You noted that Nicole Fusaro
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: was last seen near Kensington and Allegheny.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: For those analyzing the geography of Philadelphia, the Kensington neighborhood
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: has long been the epicenter of a highly visible, devastating
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: opioid and addiction crisis.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's a very well-known crisis there.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Several of the victims' families have bravely spoken about their
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: loved ones' severe battles with substance abuse.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So the offender isn't using sheer physical force to rip
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: people out of safe, highly monitored environments. They are exploiting
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: an existing crisis.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Precisely. Predatory offenders meticulously target marginalized populations.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Because they think no one will notice.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: They target individuals whose sudden absence might be tragically written
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: off by the system as a relapse or a transient
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: move rather than a violent abduction.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: That is so dark.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: If someone is unhoused or struggling with severe addiction, their
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: disappearance might not immediately trigger a massive coordinated search grid.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: By preying on the most vulnerable women in the city,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the offender effectively exploited the systemic blind spots of the
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: society around him.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And while Arcee may have exploited those blind spots historically,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I cannot stop thinking about Blair Tonzelli's ID card.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that detail changes everything.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: The fact that her ID from a 2023 disappearance was
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: found on a woman accompanying Eugene in 2026 bridges a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: terrifying gap. I have a hard time accepting that this
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: was purely accidental.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's very hard to dismiss as a coincidence.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It forces you to ask, did the violence inside that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: house stop when R.C. got too old, or did the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: operation overlap between the father and the son?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: It's the central question of the modern investigation.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: That ID card transitions this from a retrospective look at
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a dead man's crimes into a highly active, present-day threat analysis.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It creates a continuity of evidence that investigators simply cannot ignore.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They have to look at Eugene.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: They do. And that very present-day reality brings us to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a massive institutional conflict that has erupted alongside the forensic investigation.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, we need to talk about this.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: When Nicole Fusaro's cousin, Jonathan Halloran-Corin, was made aware of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the strangulation video, it sparked a severe public clash over
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: how law enforcement communicates with grieving families during complex investigations.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Before we dig into this conflict, I want to establish
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a very clear baseline with you, the listener.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: This is important.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: We are analyzing the source material impartially. We are not
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: endorsing the police department's actions, nor are we validating the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: family's legal threats.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. We aren't taking sides.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: We are simply unpacking the severe breakdown in communication because
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it illustrates the intense friction between bureaucratic procedure and human trauma.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's a crucial dynamic to understand. According to the source material,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Halloran-Corinne released a detailed, heavily critical public statement following
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a police press conference.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: What exactly was his complaint?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: He detailed a face-to-face meeting with Philadelphia homicide detectives. He
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: claims that during this meeting, the detectives explicitly refused to
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: review independent investigative information that he had spent years compiling
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: regarding his cousin's disappearance.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So he felt they were just brushing him off.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. He stated that the detectives told him their sole
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: purpose for the meeting was to deliver a next-of-kin notification
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that And he expressed feeling that his long-term victim advocacy
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was treated as a bureaucratic nuisance.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But the catalyst for his outrage was the timeline of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: information release.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Jonathan claims he had this incredibly restrictive meeting with detectives
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in the morning, and then mere hours later, he turned
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: on his television.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Just hours later.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: He watched a public press conference where he learned the horrific,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: specific details of his cousin's death. The fact that there
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was a video of her strangulation.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: He found out from the news.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly. He found out from the evening news alongside the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: rest of the world rather than from the detectives who
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: had just been sitting in front of him.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's an unimaginable shock.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That level of shock prompted him to announce he is
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: assembling an independent investigative team and he has explicitly threatened
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to submit his findings to the U.S. Department of Justice's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Civil Rights Division and To trigger a federal review of
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the local police department's conduct.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Which is a substantial institutional threat.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So how did the police respond to that?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: In response, the Philadelphia Police Department issued statements emphasizing the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: operational reality of what they termed an extraordinarily complex and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: deeply troubling investigation.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: They defended their protocol.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. They confirmed that homicide detectives physically traveled to northern
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: New Jersey before the press conference... specifically to meet with
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: family members in person.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So they did make the physical trip.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: They did. The department maintains that the press conference was
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: necessary to provide a broader update to a panicked public,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: noting that they deliberately withheld the identities of the two
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: unnamed women strictly to honor the privacy requests of their
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: respective next of kin.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So you have this impossible collision. You have a family screaming,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: you withheld the most traumatizing details of our cousin's final
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: moments and let us find out on TV. Right. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: you have a police department responding, we executed our protocol,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we made the notifications in person, and we are trying
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to manage the integrity of an investigation with a million
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: moving parts.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: You're witnessing the irreconcilable friction between rigid legal protocol and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: raw human grief.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's like two different languages being spoken.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: It really is. From an investigative standpoint, a next-of-kin notification
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: has incredibly strict boundaries. Detectives are trained to deliver the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: confirmation of death without compromising the evidentiary integrity of a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: multi-agency case.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Because if they say too much, it could ruin the trial.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They are often legally barred from sharing specific details,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: like the existence or contents of a specific digital video,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: because doing so could violate grand jury secrecy rules or
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: tip off secondary suspects who haven't been arrested yet.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Like maybe someone else who was in the house. Right.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: But from the perspective of a family member who has
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: spent eight years printing out missing person flyers and searching
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the streets of Kensington, being handed bureaucratic protocol feels like
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: an act of cruelty.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Of course it does.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: How does a massive federal task force balance the clinical
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: demands of a prosecution with the foundational empathy owed to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the victim's families? In this specific instance, the bridge between
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: those two needs completely collapsed.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It did. And it highlights the collateral damage these sprawling
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: investigations inflict on the community.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: We have covered an immense amount of ground today. Let
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I synthesize exactly where this nightmare currently stands.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Sounds good.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: We have a deceased primary suspect, R.C. Horsch, who used
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the camouflage of extreme fetish filmmaking to mask a decade
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of alleged violence. We have his son, Eugene, sitting in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: federal custody awaiting a January trial on weapons and document
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: charges with the shadow of Blair Tanzelli's ID card linking
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: him to the modern timeline.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Which is the active threat.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Right. We have a physical house on Chew Avenue that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: is refusing to yield any human remains despite the presence
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of caustic chemicals. and a Ted Bundy note in the basement.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Still no physical bodies.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And we have a digital forensics team racing the clock,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: staring down 700,000 files they haven't even opened yet.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The scale of what is still undiscovered is the most
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: daunting aspect of this entire deep dive.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: We are entirely basing our understanding on the 30% of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the evidence that has been processed. The remaining 70% could
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: fundamentally alter the timeline, the victim count, and the jurisdictional
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: scope of this case for years to come.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I want to bring you back to that scenario we
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: started with, the house you inherited, the hard drives sitting
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: on the desk.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It's a terrifying thought.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: When you walk down your own street today or look
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: at the unassuming houses in your own neighborhood, this case
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: forces a terrifying realization. Absolute darkness doesn't always announce itself.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: No, it rarely does.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it hides right behind a shared fence, cloaked in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the perfect alibi, quietly generating a million files of suffering.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And as we conclude our analysis of this source material,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I want to leave you with a philosophical but very
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: real legal question to consider as this specific case moves
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: toward trial. What's that? If the physical bodies of these
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: seven women are never recovered and the primary suspect is dead, Well,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: what does actual justice look like here?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That's a heavy question.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Are we approaching a frontier in the American legal system
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: where a digital footprint, you know, a video file stored
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: on a hard drive is deemed legally sufficient to close
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a murder case, even if the physical world stubbornly refuses
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: to yield a single trace of the crime?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: That is a profound paradigm shifting question, and it's one
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the federal courts may be forced to answer very soon.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us as we unpack this incredibly
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: heavy deep dive into the source material.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Keep analyzing the world around you. Keep asking the hard
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: questions and we will catch you on the next one.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Take care.