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Top 4 Things You Need to Watch for in Training Camp · The MMQB NFL Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the MMQB NFL podcast I'm Conoror and that deafening silence over to my right is the absence of Albert Brear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Show lineup this week full of guests in a couple minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get to my conversation with my good pal James Palmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was with NFL network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is one of the great league insiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also one of the great people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to talk about what we need to watch for over the first
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[SPEAKER_01]: couple days of NFL training camps because I'm telling you it's coming right around the corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your primer for a league wide football fan and on Thursday we have an analytics expert from an NFL team that's going to walk us through some of the advancements
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[SPEAKER_01]: and coaching decision making and team decision making and what analytics are giving us now and what they're going to be able to give us in the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you love ball, this is a great week of podcast and I appreciate you sticking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes James.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as promised, you know, without Albert here, and here's the thing, when I go away, I always tell Brear not to walley pit me and then he goes out and gets like not only big name people, but like the best looking
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[SPEAKER_01]: big name people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll leave one time and like Brady Quinn will come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave one time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like pretty quick, like you know, I know I spent a lot of time on the podcast talking about how good looking Brady Quinn is, but like he's also like a top five good looking guy I would say in football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking through my roll of decks and I'm like, all right, got to have a I got to bring the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to bring the face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to bring the info.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Former Ohio State quarterback
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the first thing you said got to bring the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, it's not the first thing it's brought up about mute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know my wife would be the first thing she'd said is the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It dude is, this is the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you called,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you could, you're like, hey, I would love for you to jump on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I'll be your Huckleberry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent back Val Kilmer giving you a wink and said, oh, let's let's both be con man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: James Palmer here there and everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were colleagues at NFL Network for a good long while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We co-hosted an ill-fated podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to call to access our opinion that not even our parents heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're back, just chopping it up during the summer months and I told James, I really want to talk about because sometimes I feel like his fans, you arrive at training camp a little bit lost, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you disappear for the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is especially true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we have the world cup and FIFA's rigging all these games and you have no idea what's happening and then you've turned around and you say, oh, what's happening in the NFL?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we each pick two things that like, if you're going to be the savvy NFL fan, it's something that you need to be watching because it's going to help tell the story of the 2026 season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to go first James because you brought up something in Minnesota that I feel like like it happened and then the Miles Garrett thing happened and then free agency happened and then draft happened and then AJ Brown happened and a couple other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: stories involving at the NFL and coaches and all sorts of stuff that we talked about during the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this one is, the quarterback battle in Minnesota is huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we need to get into this a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do because it has layers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the the premise of this was what do NFL fans need to focus on and and keep their eye out on in the first week, yes, first week of first thing that I thought of was, you know, we've done this in penetrating camps every day in the dog days, you know, forever with our notebooks, and it's like charting every throw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: looking at every single thing because this is the only time as reporters and media members, you get to watch every single practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you, but I'm an earlier rifer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I am like, let's see who the first guy on the field is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like sending that tweet out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, Jacquad Macmillan is the first guy out on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, this is a time in a situation where you know everybody's going to go, who's got the first rep, who's got the first rep in this period, is a calorie, is a change in McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything will be charted from seven on seven completion percentage to 11 on 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of people believe, and I include myself in this counter that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Calamary has the upper hand heading into K and he's probably in most people's minds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The more likely starter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason I wanted to kind of like really pick this one in is that everything that is surrounded it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin O'Connell has been very open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm going to tell you guys everything about this quarterback competition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not normally the case, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't hear head coaches go, oh no, I'm going to be like super transparent about who's eating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know who's taking the lead, who didn't have a good day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wants to put them in really unique situations, really difficult spots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he create that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see that week one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he create these situations he's talking about for both of these guys?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, the number one thing, and then I want your opinion on this is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Kyler Murray change like are we going to see it in the first week he wants him to play from the pocket for seven seasons he is not played from the pocket he's played it essentially his way I think he went to Minnesota with an open mind thinking this is the guy that can get me to play a little bit different style of offense here let's see if Kyler takes the time that he has during this break because he he did say he's a little bit behind and was splitting the reps in terms of understanding grasping the entire offense that he put the extra work in
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[SPEAKER_00]: have it down Pat and does he play the way that Kevin's going to teach him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can start to maybe see that week one and that's I think to me the biggest part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree and so here so I did a hundred bold predictions uh back at the beginning of June the hardest working guy I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was to commemorate a hundred days leading up to the NFL season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that the breakdown of starts would go in this order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyla Murray Carson went and Jay Jay McCarthy with Carson went.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think taking more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's why I think that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin O'Connell is the kind of guy like McVay in a similar way that's like I can draw it up, right, where I get the receiver with a step and I just need you to put the ball there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care who you are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what round you drafted in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you to put the ball there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for everybody that I think is assuming,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That Kyler Murray like I feel like we're in a similar spot as football watchers as when Russ left Seattle Where we're like oh now he's gonna cook now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be unencumbered now They're gonna pull the restrictor plates off when maybe Cliff King's Barry who's known the kids and season high school You know how the right system for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally, I watched him play in high school, I remember in person down there in Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, you brought something up there, kind of, that to me stands out when you're like, he wants it to be exactly there on time, you know, the route's going to be run just in Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say it frankly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be open, like the off and set some up to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He puts Jefferson all over the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know how he starts to maybe take this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that is off to arguably, I was looking at the stats, the best start of a receiver ever, like ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Through the first five years, it's the best start ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was having this conversation and I thought about Justin Jefferson's part of this, because that's the other part you should keep an eye on during this quarterback battle is Steve Smith and I and our show were having this lengthy conversation about H.A.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brown, but it pertains to Justin Jefferson where it's about legacy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys understand when they're at the top of the top, that they have an opportunity to have a legendary career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To be mentioned for all of eternity, really, with the greatest of all time, they don't want to squander a season of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was part of AJ Brown's frustration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm one of the hardest workers on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am one of the best receivers on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a great offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if this doesn't happen, every year wasted is extremely frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: does Justin Jefferson ever get to that point with the situation he has been at in Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's been the model citizen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he handled last year very, very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a breaking port there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think, and a reason why we should be watching King.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly because we have these teams now like the NFL is fractured into teams that will trade for established star players and they'll give up picks and you know I want to say like the F them picks philosophy it's overblown but I think that there are teams that are willing to sacrifice
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[SPEAKER_01]: capital for Justin Jefferson at he's 27 turn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is age 28 season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But of the last four seasons, he's been in the NFL to have been first team all pro to have been second team all pro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on a tremendous trajectory, which is why
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[SPEAKER_01]: to kind of a dovetail back to the beginning of your conversation, James, is that I think that O'Connell is being fully transparent with this because this is a pressure cooker situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not, and I think this is Dan Campbell, this is DeMico Ryan's rubbing off on offenses too, and I'll tell you why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is no longer about building confidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about putting you in your most uncomfortable situations down after down, minute after minute throughout the entirety of practice so that the game feels easier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the days of, you know, we're going to take it easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to turn the fire hose on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Campbell's shown what's possible if you just beat the crap out of everybody for
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even this modern, if you read it for a number of years, and he reads done it to make a Ryan's done it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mike McDonald, you know, to some degree, did it in Seattle where it's like, hey, you got to learn all this or you're not playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for Kevin O'Connell, I think it's an encouraging pivot because it's like, listen guys, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna tell everybody how I viewed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: everybody's going to be able to see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have eyes and by by the second preseason game, we're going to have a pretty good idea of playing with the ones who's thrown into Justin Jefferson all the time, you know, who's taking all the snaps and it's like, you know, it's, you know, what are get off the pot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that first week, it's all about showing up with the right attitude, with a complete grasp of the playbook and I'm curious to take on this,
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[SPEAKER_01]: had that reputation going in the last year when everyone thought, oh, great, he's sitting for a whole season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be like, you know, it's going to be like a red shirt here, not the case at least how I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm I'm on board with you and that part with JJ, which we haven't gotten to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked to Kyler is it's fascinating to me because one, the general manager, picked him is not there anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oftentimes those picks are more tied to the GM than they are the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Kevin has a huge say in the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but oftentimes that pick is more tied to the general manager.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that tie isn't there anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember the draft process and when we talk, I think a lot during the draft corner and it's like, everybody was all over the map on JJ McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like a universal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a top 10 pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remember the Falcons literally canceled their visit with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, now, we don't need to see JJ McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they got it right with Panics, but they didn't like JJ McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the perception of him and the lead talking to other coaches is, oh, the Vikings are done with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, the Vikings are going to say that, and I don't think the Vikings are fully done with them, but that's a perception with enough people around the lead that I've talked to that have said, oh, they're, they've completely moved on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so where is JJ McCarthy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the one advantage she had over Kyler, and it might be the only advantage, is that he's been in the system longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, to me right now, that might be the only advantage she has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I toss it back to you with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is he tradable?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he gets traded just where I stand right now today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But is he traded because the longer you wait, the control you would have over him, if you're the new team, the age, all of that as time goes on is not as valuable for you as the new team, or for you as the Vikings to get as much for him as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see him as tradable?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see him as tradable for two reasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One, if you're Kevin O'Connell, I mean, I would need to control the destination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I was thinking about this with Anthony Richardson to a lesser degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're...
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you're looking at Mac Jones in San Francisco now or Sam Darnold and what he didn't San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're Kevin O'Connell, like there's probably a part of you that wants the best for everybody, but if you're a former NFL quarterback, can you stomach this guy going to the Rams and backing up, you know, backing up Matt Stafford and and to tie Simpson and then getting in a preseason game and throwing for 350 yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like the number one fear in
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the disease of eye can fix it among quarterback coaches, offensive coordinators and head coaches with the background on offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is pervasive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the hand-to-virus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like any time these guys see somebody throw a football on another team that's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're sitting there going, eye can fix it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait folks, when can I get my hands on it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When do I get my hands on it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if that's okay, it's almost like
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not in a euk situation, but it's like, I'd rather just sit on them and then let them go for you to see I'll get a compact and then we move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And wash our hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see that being the more realistic path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also hear what Kyler has done in terms of health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is the last several years since 2022?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 11, 8, 17, and 5.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is he staying on it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just say you might see both of them play this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this one is to me, you have to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a certain traffic stop that happened, and a certain comment was made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reporter's gonna ask about that Connor, like, jump, because I hate to go this route because this story has been just, but,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there is a text exchange with the head coach, and then Jason McCarthy sucks as said, there are going to be enough people that say, is that either the opinion or an influenced opinion or information from the head coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think that's going to get asked this on the first day, another reason why to watch this first week in Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you're absolutely right, and I didn't think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For context, for those of you who don't know, so Diana Racini, the sort of the second leg of this Diana Racini story was a traffic stop where she claimed to face time and then if the hug coach, she could out of a ticket, turns out she didn't face time and then a felled coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the body cam footage revealed that the cop was a Vikings fan and she said something to the effect of all of your quarterback socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Diana is, you know, it's not like we have to, she's interviewed Kevin O'Con.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's videos of it, you can call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She showed the text message that she's exchange with Kevin O'Con, then says your quarterback sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, I've gotten messages from people who leave going like, aren't people going to put that together that that's like, is that coming from Kevin O'Con?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and even if, even if a reporter doesn't, you know, you can bet that J.G.
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[SPEAKER_01]: McCarthy has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so I think that that's something that at least needs to be addressed in the building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm going to pivot because for someone who is currently in quarantine to inform a team, one thing I'm watching for the first week because again,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there are occurrences over the first week of training camp that have no bearing on a season C, what was it 2021 when remembered when Jamar Chase couldn't catch during his first training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out that that was a little bit of a nothing burn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He turned out all right, you know, I think he had a pretty decent NFL career to this day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Arizona Cardinals are the heavy betting favorite to have the number one pick in the upcoming draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a new
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they were to see how the head coaching cycle had played out, I don't know if they would have fired Jonathan Ganon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they were going to thought they were going to be a big fish and a little pond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They turned out to be the smallest fish in a gigantic pond, needing head coaches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You end up kind of poaching a non-play calling coordinator from within the division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is not a staff that anyone's like buzzing about, um, even though I think that Nate Hackett has, has, has, has taken some unfair lumps throughout his journey here at the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think he's a good coordinator under the right circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they got, I think they misplayed the draft, or at least they were stuck in a spot where they had to take Jeremiah love after already loading up on the running back position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not a lot of immediate improvement on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say all that to say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the first week of that camp is a disaster, and again, like the quarterback situation to check anti-question work, I mean, you're just gonna start the third round picking Carson back at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if that first week of camp is an unmitigated disaster, Michael Flores, a great guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to see what his chaos management skills are like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the idea that this team is a dumpster fire is pervasive after seven days,
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you stop that Evelynch from rolling downhill?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is, you know, and everyone will say the schedule doesn't matter this time of year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does when you look at the cardinal schedule, like that matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That schedule is relentless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's even relentless if some of the teams on that schedule end up having a slightly worse season than we imagine them to be,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them beating a lot of those teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I have, you know, in my early projections, like a three win season at the max, I'm dying to know how this team looks out of the gate because man, you know, arch manning is a play here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dante Moore is in play here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are bigger things than much bigger things, especially with this quarterback class coming, assuming that all of these guys come out and maybe arch manning doesn't come out if he sees the cardinals there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this has legs, right, similar to when I think we all thought the cardinals are going to be really bad the year before Caleb Williams came out and they turned out to Jonathan again and kind of got them going and they want a few more games to me expected, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that, I don't know, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm dying to know what they look like is kind of the long ensured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be the, I love that you pointed it out because I hate to say this, like all my years I don't know if I'll network, it was like, we probably made the few stops in Arizona during inside training camp, lots of the guys like me that are getting sent to a dozen camps throughout the course of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We probably,
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[SPEAKER_00]: paid attention to the Cardinals, some of the least of any of the teams, and you had a top pick in Kyler out there as the quarterback during that stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you putting a light on it, Connor, I think, is very appropriate because I know Mike a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is a guy that is very smart, has a really distinct plan about what he wants to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a lot of confidence in how he operates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has confidence in how he wants something to be built from the ground up and he thinks in the present, what do we do, five steps down the road, how is it going to play out into that?
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks of all of these things.
20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But he hasn't been the guy in charge of all of it.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're perfectly right when blank happens, and now we need to pivot, and it's all really falling on you, where it is kind of Michael forgo with all this.
20:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I tie this into last year at camp.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: There were, if you remember, like really high expectations in Arizona, it was like we've gotten better under Jonathan Gannon each and every year, right?
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was kind of like, this is our first year where we were able to actually even participate in free agency to like get our team over the hump to maybe find some pieces.
20:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And there were like some re-lex expectations.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I was told about those and then there was a caveat and I think now we understand why where it was like, it still hinges on the quarterback, it's something just on how he plays.
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: and they were well aware of that.
21:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But they do believe, getting back to last year, like, man, we've kind of built this the right way.
21:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like with the way we've picked a tackle at the top of the draft, I still think Marvin Harrison Jr. is not a boss by any stretch.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's taking a minute.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the quarterback play did play into it a little bit, which is why I was bringing up the Justin Jefferson thing, professional on-time receivers,
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: struggle with Kyle Murray.
21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to just, that's just the way it is.
21:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I want the ball here when I'm here and it oftentimes is not because Kyle plays a very free wheeling style.
21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: More of it, I think we've seen him play better with Jacoby Percent in all honesty.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so like the skill groups not terrible.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
21:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were locked in though.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're right, like I understand during the draft making my calls like that day was like teams three and four are just stuck.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Titans and the Cardinals are just stuck here.
22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they tried to move out.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't go anywhere.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're picking these two players.
22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to see like how creative he can be with that pick because you were stuck to get him.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a loaded back feel already.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
22:15
[SPEAKER_00]: What all can you give me and do with Jeremiah.
22:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can be excited.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
22:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be hard and I think the one thing it's important to mention is that when Mike was the offense to coordinator of the jets play calling offense coordinator of the jets.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Zach Wilson and Chris Strabbler and like, you know, who I thought was the guy who sang the national anthem before the Super Bowl two years ago when it's apparently like a backup quarterback for the jets at one point.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It got meager there and he was a
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's call it what it is, right.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a Woody Johnson walks into the building for the first time in three months and goes, ah, let's fire somebody guy, right.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike never got the chance to develop his play called, but when he did, he got Garrett Wilson the ball, even with really bad quarter point options on the on the
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that and I have the schedule here in front of me.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You start the season at Los Angeles for the fully healthy chargers team, then Seattle, then San Francisco, then cross country to the New York Giants, which possible winning game.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not overrating the Giants at this point.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to them in a second.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The Detroit lines where I think might have the highest win total in football this year.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: the Los Angeles Rams, the Denver Broncos, the Dallas Cowboys, the Seattle Seahawks, the Los Angeles Rams, the Kansas City, like it just goes on and on and on and there's no by week until week 13.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're starting Carson back, that guy's not going to be able to come up for air until very late in the season and recover his body after a long foot but like
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, and maybe they're the plucky story of the season, but I think four and a half, which is the Vegas win, total for them is dangerously hot.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's insanely hot, and I don't know, man.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I hope I'm wrong.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, honestly, because I like my, and I do think they have the potential to like, almost like, if the right quarterback comes in there in 27, who knows what, and he turns out to be a really good head coach, who knows.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I, this, I wanted to ask you this before we move on to my next one.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, when you were going through that schedule, in my mind, I'm going, man, I sure remember being in Denver for a lot of those days where we just watched it snowball out of control within the market, do you think Nate's experience in Denver?
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he still talks with Mike about what went wrong and what didn't really, what the mistakes he made that he if he had to do it again, he changed them.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: help them in any sense this year just because I know Nathaniel Hack, it still thinks about a lot of the things that went wrong in Denver and a lot of, I don't know, it's not a could of what it should of, but it's like I wish I would have known this and I would have done this.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would have done this.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that's valuable when you mentioned this
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's valuable.
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So Denver at the time that Hackett was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was not when the penners owned it.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: This is still when.
25:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was transitioning to the penners, right?
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think because of that,
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of uncertainty about what this should look like and, you know, do we have the right guy, all this kind of stuff and there's all these voices, you know, from the old office that felt like they were being pushed out and then the new guys that were coming in.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think what Nate's experience probably taught us is that if there is instability at the ownership position or the ownership position is not classically revered as good, you always have to have your ass on a swivel.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's probably the best piece of advice that he can give Michael for because, you know, if you're power ranking bottom five owners, you know, I would say Arizona is definitely up there.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, this is a, this is an owner with a one and done on his on his bingo card here in the last five years, you know, and you know, so I think if you're Nate what is probably valuable is saying like,
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: almost as important as having the thing buttoned up on the field is having the perception that it's buttoned up off the field.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense because both of those occurred in Denver, like it was off the field transparency communication, things like that within the building while this transition is going on.
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is kind of ironic because the Walton Pender group is now already solidified themselves just like one of the best understanders.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, it happened very quickly, but they were like barely really there.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've had to if you remember right when the trade happened and then they needed to give Russell Wilson a contract and like it was all this was kind of happening at the same time.
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're exactly right.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good way to put it.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just it just kind of came to my mind going like, how could you spend a negative into helping you navigate possible.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're negative.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So hack it though is the ultimate fox hole guy, and I will say that that is being totally overlooked and I did this big thing on Jeremiah Love for a draft preview issue.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You can find it at Si.com and came out back in March and I was thinking about the
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: the kind of coaches who, you know, because I'm a Notre Dame fan passively in my spare time and I really liked watching playing college.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I understood that he is a unique person and has a unique background.
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking like, who are the coaches that I think would really
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: work with this guy.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And Nate comes to mind.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he really does.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He is someone who can work with anyone.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He's someone who can teach anyone.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's someone who can motivate anyone.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that they are the surprise team.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that I'm not.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: five days into training camp and saying, my God, Carson back has 31 interruptions and Marvin Harrison spiking the football and kicking over the gatorie bucket and right because it's one way or the other.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't think there's any in between.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me no regrets.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my other one is this.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of new play colors this year, but there's two that I have my eye on and they're both in the AFC West.
28:34
[SPEAKER_00]: and they're in very similar situations.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, what are we going to see in that first week with Mike McDaniel coming in and running an offense of a very hyper-intense individual of Jim Harbaugh?
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And Davis Webb, in Denver, running the offense for a hyper-intense individual in Sean Payton.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they're obviously got to where they're at in two different ways.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike is a former ad coach now that's been fired and took an offensive coordinator job.
29:05
[SPEAKER_00]: David's web is on a skyrocketing trajectory in a lot of people's minds to getting his first head coaching opportunity.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But are they like, and I listed it, almost in like identical situations, like they're both taking over.
29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: for an offensive coordinator that was borderline a consigliary for these guys in Greg Roman and Joe Lombardi.
29:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have been tied to these head coaches for a very long time.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys both come in and now we're gonna be taking over the offense.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they're very happy in their respective organizations.
29:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I think they're in very good spots that they both have a young talent in quarterback.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: They have good offensive lines in all honesty, strong skill players.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have a good setup.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: in an infrastructure for them offensively and if things go well for both of them or either one
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The next head coaching job could be next season.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the 27 season for one, if not both of them, if the offense goes well.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I wanted to spin it to you was, I think there's a lot of pressure coming from the head coach.
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It's different from each of them, but I think both head coaches have some pressure on them.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And I look at Jim Harbaugh and go, they paid a ton of money for Harbaugh.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: and they haven't had a playoff when yet.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And when is it start to become a little bit of a pressure situation for horrible?
30:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And when things get to that environment, Connor, we saw it in Philadelphia last year, or a lot of people said, you know, I think Nick Serani is at his best when he's the CEO, and you can kind of bounce from all these different rooms, and I've talked to the coaches there, and they love it the way when things are going great, he can help Vic.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, motivate guys during the week and help tell them more, but then when it goes wrong, and this is just human nature, you start to metal, you start to, if we're going to go down, we're going down my way, like we're going to do it my way in the head coach really steps in after they've handed over the play cone, with Sean Payton, I look at his situation and go, Connor, how many guys have won a Super Bowl with two different teams as a head coach?
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: zero.
31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nobody's ever done it.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sean Peyton understands that he has an opportunity to do it, and he is a student and just a historian of the game and believes that that could help him get into the Hall of Fame.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of pressure in that.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I just look at the way both these men are wired.
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they trust them.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't really gotten into the nitty gritty yet, but I think they trust both of these really, really bright offensive minds to take their good offenses to
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But just how does that whole relationship work?
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we'll get some towels for the first time in the first week of training camp with both of them.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't had a chance to read Seth Wickersham, over at ESPN did a two weeks with, or whatever, it was 15 days with the Broncos leading up to the loss in the AFC Championship game.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're wondering about Davis Web in particular, so Vance Joseph was one of the best defensive coordinators in football last year, and he was roundly dressed down by Peyton consistently in front of the rest of the staff and like support staff and in big meetings, right?
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And Vance had to sit there and take advance of former head coach.
32:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Vance will be a head coach again.
32:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, writing a person.
32:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wonderful guy, former Broncos head coach.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think that Sean Payton isn't going to chew Davis' webs ass out every single week and to be in that earpiece and say, well, I would have done this and I would have done that.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think his decision to promote Davis is too full.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to think he had to.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: because Davis Web was getting hot.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of teams are looking for him and here's an unbelievable opportunity for Davis to call an offense.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: A really good offense before going out and coaching a really bad team.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a runner-up.
33:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Two spots.
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You were running up in two spots.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Once the other one, you said to fold.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the other one?
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the other part of it is I think that the other part of that decision was Peyton and we all saw it.
33:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was at that game.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching him at that post game press conference, he knew in that moment that he needed to take more of a personal look at total game situation all football, right?
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was the the missed opportunity on the fourth down call.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: just blindsided by the weather and completely taken aback by the way that the weather changed that game.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are technically things that are on the headcoach's plate.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you're patent, it's like, well, I could probably still kind of be the angel offensive coordinator in some way shape or form, but I can have more of an eye on this or how I motivate the team or how I don't have to guys, whatever.
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: you got a bet that he is going to be on Davis Web just as bad if not worse than the way that he was on Drew Breeze as a quarterback and it takes a certain kind of person to decide whether that's something you want to sign up for.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know coming back, I think he thought this was his best path from some of the options that he had.
34:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I was told he interviewed outstanding but then one team that he was essentially the runner up for was like,
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: but he's going to benefit from going back and being with Sean even if he hates it for another year.
34:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's going to benefit him as a coach.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Davis has an open enough mind to know that this is like a really good spot for me in terms of my growth.
34:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a great relationship with Beau.
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Sean there's a third part to it that I don't think Sean would have handed this off to anybody.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he saw it in Sean is smart enough.
34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He's extremely smart on a day and day basis just to see what just answering to the table.
34:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to what David brings to the table.
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember, I was at that preseason game, ironically enough, the one that he called, um, that David's web called and I went up to Jared's sit him at his locker.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, what'd you think?
35:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, look, the round he's like,
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it was effin' unbelievable.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was like, it was unbelievable.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jared's been in the game for a long time.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a lot of rattle, a lot of great offensive coaches.
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He has been in New England, he's been other places.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he was like, it was unbelievable.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think Sean saw that as well.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that other part that I mentioned, Connor, is part of this, like, he can help us.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Be better.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it gonna be like a smooth operation?
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna watch it happen.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just think it's gonna be with the way both of these head coaches are wired.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, definitely something to to keep an eye on and I got to mention a schedule because they do think it does help the Broncos a little bit because there's a bit of an unknown there in terms of what this Davis do a little bit differently.
35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: They now jay and water in the mix, how is the offense maybe slightly different than then what we saw was Sean Payton the beginning of their schedules not easy.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The prompt is start with at the chiefs, which the complete unknown to open the season might be a positive, honestly.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: At the chiefs, Jaguar's Rams, at Niners, at Chargers, Seahawks.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the start for Davis Web here in this spot, but I just think
36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: there's so many questions in both cities about what's this going to look like and how much power and final say are these two men going to get?
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you're out there every day in the first week you might start to get some of your first inklings.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: McDaniel, I think it's funny, I mean, it's like, you know, and I, I feel like I'm saying this to the point where people are going to eventually tune me out, and that's fine.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you saying?
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: James is on Reddit right now.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the, this is not just an Herbert is enthralling for 5,000 yards.
36:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone's always like, oh, this, Justin Herbert's going to screw.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Herbert already did that.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He threw for 5,000 yards with Joe and Barty.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: As softens of coordinator, right?
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that already happened.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Mike Mutanyl or anybody is smart enough to know.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And John McVay with Matt Stafford or any of these guys is it's like, you want to treat a truly exceptional quarterback the way that you would treat a bad rookie quarterback, which is you want to surround them with a great offensive line, a great running game, and you want to limit all the things that you have to do so we can be
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: through 68 tight ends as well that they've signed on the thruster as well.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like you don't bring in Charlie Kohler and you already had Matt Lock that you bring in Alec in gold.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, do we think that this team is going to double that is going to double their passing attempts?
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell no, but don't make it up in points though.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I go up in points?
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But I can watch.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I agree.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be much more of an eyes on web.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my last thought there is that I do wonder, and I don't think this is something to paint whatever admit to himself, but in reading that sad story,
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: one of the great football writers that I barely had the chance to work with.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I drove into a horse race once.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Eisenberg, Legendary, just for a star-ledger columnist, but he wrote books about Bill Parcells, and one of them was called No Metals for trying.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He spent a season embedded with the Parcells Giants.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Payton sounds like Parcells, which makes sense.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wrote some all the time.
38:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, small the time.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He still talks to all that kind of stuff.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, you have to recognize when your message is wearing thin or is not getting across.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that he had some moments of intensity with David's Web, with Bonix on the side of the last year.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had him without all quarterbacks, right?
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But at one point, is it might be like, maybe it's better that David's Web has this conversation than I do.
38:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it just plain as simple.
38:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I get it.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he likes both fire and both fire back and of plenty.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think Sean is one of the guys that doesn't back down to that he almost embraces it and goes good.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a little leap to you, but at the same time, I think he does understand that like, hey, now he can be like, Davis, can you do this?
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know Bo mentioned, and then this will be my last part on it.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: As Bo mentioned, like I feel like Sean's going to be a little bit more of my quarterback coach.
39:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's going to have less of the full offensive game planning taking up his time that he can look at me and be like, hey, check your footwork on that or make sure you check your shoulder on that and both kind of looking forward to maybe that style of relationship with it and we'll see if it if it works, it's going to be fun to watch.
39:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it really to me, it's one of the better storylines of the year after going to the AFC championship.
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: My last one, James is short and it's sweet and it's simple.
39:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a new head coach of the New York Giants who's taking this team into the West Virginia Heat in the Greenbire.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He just released his practice schedule, which is absolutely relentless.
39:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't include a lot of time off and you have guys a team that
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm not saying this to pile on Joe Shane, but I think toward the end of the Bryan Dable era and really, I mean the entirety of the Bryan Dable era, they knew that they needed to upgrade talent quickly, so quickly that I think perhaps
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: character was not always at the forefront of that decision making.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So, for example, I think it's fair to say that someone like Cave on Tibito probably turned a lot of other teams off during the pre-draft process, but the giants are like, I don't care.
40:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He's exceptional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a playmaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need him on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Malik neighbors, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good, you know, had some teams being like, woof, okay, you know, during the pre-draft process, you know, okay, interesting, and, you know, but the talent is undeniable, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Add dual Carter, same thing, came right in last year and said, I would like to wear Lawrence Taylor's number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even at the end of a lost season when he was late for meetings and getting benched, it was tweeting about how he should be defensive rookie of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, camscat about, you know, just follow him around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple hours, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you're just going to end after saying his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that team has now got to go to the Green Breyer and practice harder than they've probably practiced since their sophomore year of high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: over and over and over again and, you know, very limited days off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a coach who's not going to take any BS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have an offensive coordinator who's coming from the last job where he's coaching Patrick
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[SPEAKER_01]: the idea that this might be worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like when I'm coaching my older my oldest child, it's something and we're playing catch and then you go to the middle one and they can't throw the ball and you get frustrated because you forget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You forget the difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on a 700-level class with Patrick Bohomes going to training camp the last year, like last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we've already been together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've done this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're already here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not there with this quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also have a lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your take on the number of offensive minds that are on this staff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just kind of curious how everybody finds their place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is the other part of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where Brian Deble's staff was roundly praised his first one for being a collection of people that he wasn't friends with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had Mike Kafka and Link Martindale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody thought, this is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More coaches should do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Frank Reich did it in Carolina and put together one of the most combustible staffs on his bare foot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was an unmitigated disaster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're seeing coaches kind of flip back the other way where when Clint Kubeyack got the job in Las Vegas, it was always going to be Andrew Genoco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was always going, because that's the guy he trusts in that spot to coach his guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: this is not a similar setup but it's interesting in that it's like it resembles a classic giant staff where the maras will come in and be like oh Joe Judge like here's Jason Garrett like what do you think about this right and because Todd Munking gets the browns job a lot of things just collapse through the seller and now it's like now you're grabbing it free falling objects and trying to put it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Greg Roman does that run game, Mayor and his insistence on how it's supposed to work, Mary with what Matt Nagy wants to do with the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think certain things could be good for certain people, but this is a big job, this is probably John Harbaugh's toughest job at managing coaching personalities, never mind player personality, but he's got a lot on his plate, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like a lot on his plate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Callahan's in the mix there as the past game coordinator in the other fiery guy is exactly so and who has pelts on the wall like a lot of these guys have worked with really talented quarterbacks and really had big numbers on offense and I think that's that you know managing all of that you're right is just another aspect of what he has to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I brought up one other one time and I don't want to be the guy that just says it over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On Steve Smith and I showed together, he brought this exactly up to me, Connor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is played for Horabot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what the practices are like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was bringing up to me specific players in that giant slacker room, where he was like, I wonder how this guy's going to take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how this guy's going to do in camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how this guy is going to, he even mentioned a couple of rookies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is that thought from people that know John and going,
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[SPEAKER_00]: how does he get his message to the next group and not turn anybody off and have everybody buy in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now sometimes when it's new, when it's a group that hasn't won, it's easier to buy in sometimes, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been to the Green Breyer, by the way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I love the Green Breyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's creepy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the shining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly what it is, right?
44:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went on the last time I went with a training camp tour with Texans with there and my wonderful former colleague Jenny Vrentis and I were like, we just got to have lunch at this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: friggin place and see what's going on here and I remember this old woman that was dressed like the queen of England and even had like the hat and it was tea time and was just staring at me and I took a picture of her because I was like whatever you're going to throw me out of here um that looks you bad boy the green brai that's right uh back then it was like a blackberry so it looks like you know the greeny photo I still have it actually fits the time period of what the green brai looks like it's in yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Underneath it is like a bunker that's where Congress is going to escape very much so and an airport Like I've never flown out of an airport where there's just you see people sitting on rocking chairs next to the runway Just like watching planes take off on the Saturday But it I mean it is because because of the personalities that are on both sides in terms of the coaching staff and the players I think it's certainly one to watch in the first week for sure Because you know something needs to be established and John Harbour knows that
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember this, when at the Trade Deadline, I can almost guarantee that of Carter, Tibido and neighbors were at least having a vaguely serious conversation about one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: likely to bet out not being there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes it hard to, you know, it makes it hard to imagine, but you know, maybe one of them is benched by, you know, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just saying that like this is New York, it's, it's a different situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know how hard law has liked to run things in Baltimore, a little bit harder here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But who knows, right?
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of what the see all the bad examples are good like Joe judges a great guy Ben Macadoo's an awesome guy Yeah, it's not like it didn't Ben Macadoo made the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, no, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't go in a boat in Miami That's what I'm trying to say, you know Don't I like you told her for that during vacation season
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't, well, you, hopefully you're listening to this in a photo of Miami, but James Palmer can't appreciate enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You coming on, pinching for our, I think I've effectively made him as jealous as I possibly could have, which is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to chap his ass a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need him back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's dealing with stolen bikes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's dealing with all sorts of stuff right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, follow the Brear Twitter saga here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's going Liam Nissen on taking to get his sons and speedbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a prize possession, he said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he gets it.
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