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Jaguars Thursday: May 3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaguars Thursday. Former Jaguars Jeff Langerman and Tony
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Speaker 1: Bisselly bring you expert insight and analysis of your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: Now to get things started, here's the host of Jaguars Thursday,
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Speaker 1: j P. Shadrick from Jaguars Central at EverBank Field. Jaguars Thursday,
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Speaker 1: JAP Shadrick, Tony Bisselly, Jeff Langerman. Phase two of the
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Speaker 1: off season program underway, and it is our draft recap show.
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Speaker 1: We'll go through the draft picks. Well, face for me
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Speaker 1: is this is the doldrums frost. Nothing nothing like the
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Speaker 1: exciting Wait a minute, got rookie Minicamp coming up. That's
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Speaker 1: next Week's exciting. To my points, exciting the doldrums because
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Speaker 1: even for me, at least after the first day of
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Speaker 1: O T a S it's like, okay, yeah, no, I know,
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Well right now, it's not
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Speaker 1: even team work. It's basically individual drills on the field
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Speaker 1: and and no elements and no path until camp. There's
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the interesting thing is, you know
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Speaker 1: we're reading kind of what the Jaguars and what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: You're there in Phase two and then there's other teams
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Speaker 1: that have new head coaches that have already you know,
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Speaker 1: had voluntary mini camps, and we're reading about certain players
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Speaker 1: that are not attending them, or you know, will they attend.
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Speaker 1: The mystery and the anticipation, and you know, so the league,
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Speaker 1: the league's coundars rolling along. It's it's just it's just
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Speaker 1: gone so fast, you know, because the Jaguars run the
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Speaker 1: playoffs and then bam, the draft is like here all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, You're like, wow, you lose a month
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Speaker 1: of what would have been the off season. It's nice,
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Speaker 1: you know. It's the thing is as on Jaguars dot com,
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Speaker 1: if you're watching us, you can see that some of
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Speaker 1: the video from them on the field doing individual stuff.
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Speaker 1: As a player, I guess the duldrums us, but I
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Speaker 1: remember as a player and now we started much earlier.
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Speaker 1: You started the uh really the third week of March
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Speaker 1: wheel it was about to see it was about the
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Speaker 1: third end of the second third week of March, and
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Speaker 1: so that's when we started working out, and it was
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Speaker 1: all voluntary, mandatory bulment terry, Uh, there be there um.
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Speaker 1: But as a player, it's like all right, here we
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Speaker 1: go again. And so it's like this, you're just getting
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Speaker 1: this thing. And so as soon as we started working out,
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Speaker 1: you realize that five days a week, for half a
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Speaker 1: day you're at the stadium, and then you go into O, T. A. S.
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Speaker 1: And then you go to many camps, which we have
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Speaker 1: two of them, and so there's a lot going on
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Speaker 1: as a player. I mean, it's still not the intensity
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Speaker 1: of the season, obviously, And it's funny now as we
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Speaker 1: sit here on the radio, it's like, oh, it's a
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Speaker 1: dull drums. Nothing's going on as a player. It's just
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Speaker 1: the opposite there out there and working and getting better,
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Speaker 1: and guys are rehabbing and getting stronger and getting on
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Speaker 1: the field and and so it's funny just the different perspectives.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to if we were to
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Speaker 1: sit here with Doug and uh Tom and the coaching
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Speaker 1: staff and Dave and say, oh, it's the dul drums
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Speaker 1: right now, they look at it like, what are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? This is like critical time right now? This
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Speaker 1: isn't We're getting ready to try to be ready for
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Speaker 1: Kim go further than we did last year. I wish
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Speaker 1: I wish Tom was here to kind of share in
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Speaker 1: this memory that I have and Tony will remember this
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Speaker 1: very well. When we had our voluntary day when you're
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Speaker 1: getting yell bat to get your hand on the on
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Speaker 1: the ground. We had in the you know, on our
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Speaker 1: voluntary off season. This is going back to the early days.
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Speaker 1: We had in our voluntary part of our voluntary day,
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Speaker 1: we had a signed workout times. Okay, so the big
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Speaker 1: guys which you know, defensive line, offensive line, we had
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Speaker 1: the early workout time which was six it was seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say we got
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Speaker 1: here at six thirty because we have breakfast and we
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Speaker 1: either start lifting and warming up at seven or seven thirty.
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Speaker 1: Remember on the six o'clock hour, you were here, okay,
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Speaker 1: and you're and you're ready to sweat at seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: And and it was a leg day. And on leg
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Speaker 1: days we had kind of like kylstenics, kind of like
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Speaker 1: a like form running type stuff. You know, butt kicks,
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Speaker 1: high knees, you carrioke, a shuffle and all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. And it's taxing. I mean, it's a it's
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Speaker 1: a warm up, but it's a workout, guys, especially, so
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Speaker 1: you you do that. And then we went in the
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Speaker 1: weight room and with Jerry Paul Mary. We did sawt legs, squats, cleans,
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Speaker 1: and I think maybe a little bit of back you know, backlifting,
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Speaker 1: you know. And then we had like two and a
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Speaker 1: half hours that we sat around and did nothing because
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Speaker 1: we were the early workout time because we had a
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Speaker 1: practice that day. So we sat around and did nothing
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Speaker 1: for like two hours. Okay, then we went out on
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Speaker 1: the practice like individual meetings or something. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: because it was after practice. So we had two hours
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Speaker 1: of doing nothing, and then we went out to practice
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Speaker 1: and we had our traditional one of the allowable O
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Speaker 1: T A days, which was which, by the way, practice
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Speaker 1: back then you could do one on one. It was
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Speaker 1: full speed. It was a real practice, was full speed
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Speaker 1: to our practice, all speed, no helmets. Okay, this was
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Speaker 1: a helmet practice. No no, no, back then, but we
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Speaker 1: didn't have a helmet that maybe it was actually we
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Speaker 1: had helmets on. We do one on ones. Oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so so now we have a two hour practice
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Speaker 1: and at this particular time, Coughlin was steamed because there
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Speaker 1: were some guys that weren't signing in for breakfast. So
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Speaker 1: he decided to have gassers after this two hour practice.
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Speaker 1: So let me remind him kind of go back, okay,
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Speaker 1: get in the morning, calistenics, running okay, then we lift legs,
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Speaker 1: then we sit around for two hours. Then we have
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Speaker 1: a two hour practice. Now we're gonna do gassers and
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do you know, two or three it's
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Speaker 1: part of our you know, they're actually half gas. It
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Speaker 1: was like it was like, well, we do like four
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Speaker 1: this day, it was like twelve. I'll never forget that day.
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget, and I'll never forget Steve's a But
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Speaker 1: who's the linebacker, Jef? It was because you had a harness.
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Speaker 1: I had a harness on. It was because he had
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Speaker 1: had sold surgery and and we didn't and they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: let us. Jeff couldn't get time to get his harness off.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to breathe with the harness around your It's
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Speaker 1: an old school harness, old like can't like you know,
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Speaker 1: military canvas. And it was volunteery. Why don't you just
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Speaker 1: walk off the field. I could have, but I'll just
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Steve's able looking at me, just going,
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Speaker 1: you know, because I would I would get in like
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Speaker 1: a catcher's position to let this harness to kind of
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Speaker 1: ride up above my chest to make it easier to
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Speaker 1: breathe stand up and told use the language that Jeff
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Speaker 1: said back to him because it's not pitably, but it
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Speaker 1: might have been a four letter word that Steve's able
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Speaker 1: didn't like me for a pretty funny but I mean
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Speaker 1: what that used to be, you know, an off season
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Speaker 1: o T a day And now you know, we watched
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Speaker 1: the the footage and these guys are out there where
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Speaker 1: they're wearing ball caps and you know, it's it's you know,
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Speaker 1: and some of them got the big brim you know,
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Speaker 1: sun caps on and it's different. Now it's different, and
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Speaker 1: it's good, you know. I like, I wish we, Okay
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Speaker 1: had the tempo that is in the NFL now in
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Speaker 1: the off season. I think we we all would have
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Speaker 1: benefited from this type of off season. I actually think so.
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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the CB and c B
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Speaker 1: a collective bargin agreement, and how they've changed some of
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Speaker 1: the rules of the off season. I think that it's
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Speaker 1: been really good in some areas and awful for players
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Speaker 1: like this stuff like limiting what you can do on
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Speaker 1: the field. Right now, it got ridiculous, like there's no
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Speaker 1: reason for my shoulders or Jeff shoulders or our knees
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Speaker 1: and anything else to be out there doing one on
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Speaker 1: one pass pro in May. I mean, it's just it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: What's gonna stick till later in the year that it's
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Speaker 1: just you can do it against each other and with technique,
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Speaker 1: but there's no reason for full banging against each other.
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Speaker 1: You can even like walk through and work on hand placement,
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Speaker 1: and there's drills you could do to simulate enough to
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Speaker 1: get the work done, and so limiting that stuff is great.
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Speaker 1: Where they missed it is limiting how much time guys
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Speaker 1: can be here and interaction with coaches esupposed to be
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Speaker 1: for young guys and developmental players. And I think they've
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Speaker 1: missed it on camp as well. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine. Well, I mean, I think you should be
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Speaker 1: able to have two day still as long as both
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Speaker 1: practices aren't padded. And I also think that the way
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Speaker 1: they did the practice in the UH during the season
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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. You should have it one at least one
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Speaker 1: pad of practice throughout the season if you want to
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Speaker 1: through every week every week. It's just a couple just
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Speaker 1: a little things like training Kive. I think so I mean,
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Speaker 1: you look at it and it would be great to
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Speaker 1: do study and maybe they have. I would bet you anything,
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Speaker 1: the injuries have not decreased because of changing how camp
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Speaker 1: has done. In fact, at least it feels like to me,
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Speaker 1: soft tissue injuries are up because one of the things
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they wear and the wear and
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Speaker 1: tear stuff. The one thing two days did and I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying there should be two days with padded practice.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but the one thing it did
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Speaker 1: do it conditions your body almost a hardening of it,
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Speaker 1: like the callustic that you. I mean, at some point
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Speaker 1: you condition your mind. I can tell you that in
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Speaker 1: your mind. And so it's there's some things they need
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Speaker 1: to change. And I just think for the game of
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Speaker 1: football to be better at the start of the season,
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Speaker 1: they should allow two days as long as both as
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Speaker 1: long as there's only one padded practice, because I just
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Speaker 1: think that the game is sloppy at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the season and it's because lack of time. If you
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Speaker 1: think it's sloppy, while watch a rookie minicamp, it's all
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Speaker 1: coming up next weekend. I will be watching. Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: rookie minicamps like these things because I feel guilty if
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Speaker 1: they're open and I don't go, and then they're closed,
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Speaker 1: I can't. It's perfect, all right. Let's get into the
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Speaker 1: early part of this Jaguars draft here. Before we get
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Speaker 1: to that, though, let's recap what happened in our mock
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Speaker 1: draft and who won again this year. The only correct
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Speaker 1: answer of the thirty two Jayer Alexander the draft pick
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Speaker 1: I made. What team was that? Joe Seattle Seahawks cornerback
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Speaker 1: from Louisville. That's the only Let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: Did you get the right slot? Yeah? Yeah, we didn't
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Speaker 1: Seattle trade down and get him. Well, no, I had,
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Speaker 1: I looked at it. They got him, I got it right.
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Speaker 1: But the only one you guys didn't get any of them.
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Speaker 1: You're kind of begging because they got him, but they
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Speaker 1: got him in a different slot. Either way, My street
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Speaker 1: continued the fact that none of us got any of
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Speaker 1: the five right. We get we get one right? None,
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Row Uh. Tavin Brian is a big reason
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Speaker 1: why it's too You know a lot of people had
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Speaker 1: him going a little earlier. He was one of the
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Speaker 1: players left on their list when the Jags picked at
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Speaker 1: twenty nine. He was the top player on the list.
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Speaker 1: And what do you think of of Brian at number twenty.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy that, talking to a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: was an enigma early, you know, and now he was
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Speaker 1: behind some really good players. They've had some good defensive
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Speaker 1: lineman there, so he didn't get a lot of time,
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Speaker 1: had almost zero production. I mean, it was you know,
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Speaker 1: he's a red shirt. I mean because he was a
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Speaker 1: red shirt, and so he sat out of here from
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Speaker 1: Wyoming and and even at the beginning of this past year,
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Speaker 1: wasn't super productive number wise, but then all the you know,
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Speaker 1: but as the second as the season went on, in
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Speaker 1: the last six games, he was dominant. He's a very
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Speaker 1: explosive first step guy. And I talked to uh a
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Speaker 1: coach from another team and doing some research, you know,
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Speaker 1: because we didn't I didn't know a lot about him, Jeff,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you before the draft, and the
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Speaker 1: individual I talked to from another team basically said, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's like really good, like they there's there were a
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Speaker 1: number of teams that had him pegged and for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: you know, whether they or later in the draft or
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Speaker 1: other guys fell but he was a guy that I
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Speaker 1: think people feel like his ceiling is so high because
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Speaker 1: of the athletic freakish ability has And the question I
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Speaker 1: think the question is will the production meet the the
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Speaker 1: the ability and the potential and the freakis of the
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Speaker 1: freakish athletic ability the kid has. Now it was I
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Speaker 1: didn't watch any film on him prior to the draft.
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Speaker 1: I didn't because I was like, why, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: didn't think the Jaguars would would go there, but I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, give him credit and watching the film, I
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Speaker 1: watched him. Uh, Monday, I came in and watched film
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Speaker 1: on him. Um, he's pretty pretty, pretty unique in that,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a three technique, a true free technique.
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Speaker 1: So at Florida, so he would play on the outside
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Speaker 1: shoulder of the guard, whether it be on the left
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Speaker 1: side of the right side. When he was on the
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Speaker 1: left side, he was in a natural right hand hands.
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Speaker 1: When he was on the right side, he was in
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Speaker 1: a natural left handed stands. So you can see that
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Speaker 1: it was comfortable on either side. Uh. He rushed just
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Speaker 1: as effectively from one side as he did the other.
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Speaker 1: And everybody's talking about this great first step, and he
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Speaker 1: does have a very good first step. But but I
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Speaker 1: want to kind of explain what the differences between a
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Speaker 1: great first step and great snap like you know, step anticipation.
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Speaker 1: He gains a tremendous amount of ground in his first
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Speaker 1: two steps, kind of like how he longed, how he
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Speaker 1: long used to gain great ground, but his snap antition
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Speaker 1: anticipation could be even better. He's not like he's great
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Speaker 1: on getting off and then he's got this first step,
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Speaker 1: he's passed the guard before he's out of the stand.
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Speaker 1: Some guys into just point it's a great It's really
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Speaker 1: well said, is that sometimes you know you'll see a
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Speaker 1: guy in college he just can anticipate that. Chris Smith
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Speaker 1: was a guy like that, and he said he would
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Speaker 1: anticipate and he looks so quick and he was great
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Speaker 1: anticipating the snapcout. So he get up and get penetration.
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Speaker 1: But then when you got all of a sudden, you
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Speaker 1: get in the NFL and they change his nap counting
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Speaker 1: different things and he doesn't have that. He doesn't have
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Speaker 1: You can't anticipate as much. The natural steps not quick.
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Speaker 1: And so this Brian has a naturally quick even even
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Speaker 1: if he's not guessing or jumping the napcount. He's still
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Speaker 1: he's gaining a lot of penetration he's got he's got
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Speaker 1: a very strong rip. He's got to learn to counter
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Speaker 1: off of that a little bit. I think the one
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Speaker 1: thing about him is he does get great penetration and
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Speaker 1: he's very strong. He's got great hands. In the running game,
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Speaker 1: he never stays blocked. I mean, he's one of those
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Speaker 1: guys he makes contact and he's extension and then he
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Speaker 1: gets rid of him in a hurry. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: very unique. I mean, I think the one guy that
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Speaker 1: came into the into the the Jaguars as a rookie
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Speaker 1: that had great hands was Tyson olla Walla, And I
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Speaker 1: remember talking to Brad Mestra. He's like, oh my god,
14:52
Speaker 1: this guy's got hands like a like a ten year pro.
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Speaker 1: And Tavian Bryant's got great hands. The one thing I
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Speaker 1: will say if there was a negative on him, the
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Speaker 1: number of plays that he made. You know, from the
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Speaker 1: middle part of the season towards the end, he could
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Speaker 1: have made twice as many. I mean, he's got to
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Speaker 1: finish better. He's got a break. This guy, he's gotta
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Speaker 1: bring his feet, you know, he's gotta gotta keep going.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of plays that he left
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Speaker 1: on the table that he just didn't get because he
15:20
Speaker 1: didn't finish for some reason. And and if he finishes those,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a truly a dominant special player.
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Speaker 1: And if he if he made those those plays, he
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Speaker 1: would have been in the in the top ten in
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Speaker 1: the draft probably if he made plays like that. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think, Jeff, you can play the three technique here,
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Speaker 1: but I think he played the big end. Absolutely. He
15:43
Speaker 1: The people want to know, you know, where could he play?
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Speaker 1: He can? First of all, he can play anywhere on
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Speaker 1: the on the defensive line that you put him at.
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Speaker 1: His best position will be three technique. And then his
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Speaker 1: second best position for this team is back up strong
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Speaker 1: side in. You know, because last year Smooth was doing
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Speaker 1: that and smokes kind of like a tweener. He's not
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Speaker 1: truly a strong side in and he's not truly you know,
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Speaker 1: a week side end behind Fowler and in gock Way.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of caught between the two. But
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Speaker 1: this kid, Tavn Bryan, I mean, he he's a strong
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Speaker 1: side and a three technique all day long. And now
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Speaker 1: Marcel Darius Nose tackle and and The hope is that
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Speaker 1: in a year or two, when when you have to
16:23
Speaker 1: start sending some of these veteran guys out because of
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Speaker 1: salary catfishues, maybe he'll be ready to roll in a
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Speaker 1: starting well, I mean, I think the better way to
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Speaker 1: put it is when these you know, these veteran guys okay,
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Speaker 1: are are moving on to the next phase, which is
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Speaker 1: you know, a lower pace skill or having to go
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Speaker 1: to another team because their level of play doesn't match
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Speaker 1: their contract. And he's the guy, He's the guy to
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Speaker 1: be there. We'll come back, We'll get into the rest
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Speaker 1: of the draft. Picks for the Jags Chark Harrison and
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Speaker 1: Tony Wassel. He's breakdown of Richardson in the fourth round.
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Speaker 1: Me just give you a little teaser. Love the pick.
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Speaker 1: I love it up the pick. As you and I
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Speaker 1: were texting that pick when we were talking about telling
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Speaker 1: you something I did not like that that was bouncing
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Speaker 1: around the world. Well, uh, we might avoid that one.
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Speaker 1: it's Jaguars Thursday on Jaguars Radio. You know, you go
17:29
Speaker 1: into the draft of priorities, you have an idea as
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Speaker 1: to how it will go. It's much different drafting at
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Speaker 1: the bottom, which we like. I'd like to move a
17:38
Speaker 1: few places down for next year, but it's much different
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Speaker 1: than drafting at the top. I think that for me,
17:45
Speaker 1: one of the toughest parts today was the bottom of
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Speaker 1: the fourth to the bottom of the sixth before we
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Speaker 1: had another pick, So that that's a that's a tough
17:53
Speaker 1: road to sit there and watch all those players come
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Speaker 1: off the board. But you know, I think the draft
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Speaker 1: h solved majority of the problems or priorities that we
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Speaker 1: had going in. Of course, you don't get them all
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Speaker 1: done so um, but we like the package that we have.
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Speaker 1: Come on in here, guys, and let's compete like he can.
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Speaker 1: Let's make our team better. Tom Coughlin, Executive vice president
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Speaker 1: of football Operations, with Ashlan Sullivan of Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: right after the draft concluded Saturday, Evenink Jaguars Thursday continues here.
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Speaker 1: J P. Shadwick, Jeff Logoman, Tony BASSELLI. Let's get to
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Speaker 1: the the second, third, fourth round picks. D J. Chark
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Speaker 1: out of l s U was roommates with Leonard for
18:34
Speaker 1: Net as a freshman in Baton Rouge. His off the
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Speaker 1: field story, his family story is very interesting. If you'll
18:42
Speaker 1: read the Baton Rouge Advocate article from about a year
18:45
Speaker 1: ago or so, we'll well, well, the families had some
18:49
Speaker 1: medical issues away from from football. His his mother, I
18:53
Speaker 1: think as part of that so Um and the way
18:55
Speaker 1: the family is kind of recovered and fought through some
18:57
Speaker 1: things there. Um. So check it out. And big guy
19:00
Speaker 1: so at six two ran a four, three, four or
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Speaker 1: forty at the combine. The guy can fly d J
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Speaker 1: h R. Yeah, he runs, and he runs well. I
19:07
Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting to see how that speed kind
19:10
Speaker 1: of translates when he starts to see a little bit
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Speaker 1: of press coverage. You know, at this level, the NFL level,
19:15
Speaker 1: but there's no question his speed. He can run. UH
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Speaker 1: and and double moves. He runs. Ran a lot of
19:23
Speaker 1: double moves at L s U and that was one
19:25
Speaker 1: of the reasons why a lot of times he was
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Speaker 1: so open deep but when he didn't have the double move,
19:30
Speaker 1: you can see that he's clearly pulling away from guys
19:33
Speaker 1: and uh a huge deep threat. I saw that General
19:37
Speaker 1: manager Dave Caldwell made the statement that you know, speed
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Speaker 1: like that could pull safeties, you know, out of the box,
19:43
Speaker 1: you know, stopping the run, and that's not true. I
19:47
Speaker 1: disagree with Dave all because, uh because and first of all,
19:52
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the wide receiver have to be a
19:55
Speaker 1: legitimate threat for for the defense to say, okay, it
20:01
Speaker 1: warrants taking a safety out of the box because we're
20:05
Speaker 1: worried about the deep you know, speed and passing game
20:08
Speaker 1: of d J Shark. So that has to happen first.
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Speaker 1: Okay before you know, just because he has four three
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Speaker 1: speed doesn't mean a safety is going to stay out
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Speaker 1: of the box. You know, you have to have success
20:19
Speaker 1: throwing the deep ball to him to warrant the safety
20:22
Speaker 1: to be double. And that's what we would We've heard
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Speaker 1: lately about Marquis Lee, right, he's fast enough to go
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Speaker 1: deep and and get guys out of there. But that
20:29
Speaker 1: really wasn't the case even with Mark Well. And it's
20:32
Speaker 1: interesting because you know, Chark is uh. I don't want
20:35
Speaker 1: to say he's a one trick pony, but that's his
20:37
Speaker 1: strength is the deep ball. Um he can run the
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Speaker 1: underneath routes and he's you know, he's got decent hands.
20:43
Speaker 1: And and got great body control. The uh is the
20:48
Speaker 1: electric when he catches the ball, you know after that, No,
20:52
Speaker 1: you know, he's just kind of okay. I mean, what
20:54
Speaker 1: what makes him great is the deep ball speed that
20:58
Speaker 1: he's got. That's what makes him specialty. Of his catches
21:03
Speaker 1: last year were twenty yards or more down the field.
21:05
Speaker 1: So yeah, to just one. I mean speed, I mean
21:09
Speaker 1: helps stretch of defense. But what gets the what gets
21:12
Speaker 1: the safety of the boxes actually get a complete I
21:16
Speaker 1: mean it's an effective past execution, execution of it um
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Speaker 1: and I think you saw that improved for this offense
21:23
Speaker 1: that the year. And if it continues to go that way,
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Speaker 1: that's why they're gonna get They'll get more favorable uh
21:29
Speaker 1: looks as far as in the running game, a more
21:32
Speaker 1: favorable run box. Uh. Not having eight guys against their
21:35
Speaker 1: base personnel or seven against the the weaven personnel. The
21:39
Speaker 1: one thing that I really look forward to because you
21:41
Speaker 1: know what when Tony and JP, I mean we all
21:44
Speaker 1: saw this when when Blake Bortles first took over as
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. What was the thing that we saw that
21:52
Speaker 1: made made us go, you know what, that's that's that's beautiful.
21:57
Speaker 1: It was and we use this term to throw the
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Speaker 1: ball into a bucket to where he would have that
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Speaker 1: that deep ball pass and it would just fall right
22:06
Speaker 1: into the bucket or the arms of the wide receiver
22:09
Speaker 1: on target. That's what he almost I thought he did
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Speaker 1: best when when he was first starting out as the starter,
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Speaker 1: and then somewhere along the way it got better this year,
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Speaker 1: and it did, it got better this past year. But
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Speaker 1: I wonder, I just wonder, you know, the surgery that
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Speaker 1: he had, how much did that affect his ability to
22:27
Speaker 1: make throws like that? And if he can get back
22:30
Speaker 1: to making throws like that with with Keelan Cole and
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Speaker 1: now DJ charc I mean two guys that run, I
22:37
Speaker 1: mean down the field like nobody's business. One deed underneath
22:43
Speaker 1: which is his strength because I mean he's electric capture
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Speaker 1: the catch, and and Marquis because he's like ded I
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Speaker 1: mean underneath stuff that's gonna be fun to watch. Roddy
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Speaker 1: Harrison safety Alabama, you tell us he's your guy? Uh?
22:57
Speaker 1: Did you did you make that pick? I did. I
23:00
Speaker 1: phoned it in. I went in the draft room and told, hey,
23:02
Speaker 1: Mr Khan, excuse me just a moment. Let me borrow
23:04
Speaker 1: these guys. And I told tom what to do, So
23:10
Speaker 1: give us a breakdown. More of us strong than a
23:12
Speaker 1: free plays close to the line a lot. They used
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Speaker 1: him in the blitzing game a lot at Alabama when
23:17
Speaker 1: he was in coverage. Some of his interceptions are like
23:21
Speaker 1: tip drill, kind of right place, right time, but you
23:23
Speaker 1: still have to be in the right place at the
23:25
Speaker 1: right time. So, uh, high football, I Q guy, which
23:30
Speaker 1: at Alabama if you're defensive back, Nick Saban doesn't put
23:33
Speaker 1: dumb defensive back. What you said right there is from
23:36
Speaker 1: watching the film on him Monday, is very true. When
23:39
Speaker 1: you say football like you guy. Uh, you can really
23:42
Speaker 1: tell that he anticipates, he's aware, he's a captain in
23:46
Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean that that is his strength. So
23:50
Speaker 1: that's a big part of his game has been in
23:51
Speaker 1: the right place and having other guys in the right
23:54
Speaker 1: place around him to coverage. Coverage is a little bit
23:56
Speaker 1: of an issue. I mean, you're not gonna put it
23:57
Speaker 1: out on the receiver. But here's the thing. Barry Church
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Speaker 1: struvis with that too. Yeah, I mean, so it's not
24:03
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean a lot of strong safeties, you know,
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Speaker 1: struggle if you get him out in space one on
24:07
Speaker 1: one and they get the match if they want on
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I mean, that's why they're strong safety. Yeah,
24:11
Speaker 1: you know, I like I like him as a player
24:15
Speaker 1: in that spot. With this team, I probably would have
24:18
Speaker 1: went tight end. There was one that was available from
24:22
Speaker 1: Indiana and I think there was another one from from
24:25
Speaker 1: Miami at that time that we're pretty decent grads on them.
24:29
Speaker 1: Where did your guy who you loved and you would
24:30
Speaker 1: not stop talking Philadelphia the whole time? Southa Coachagles got him? Man,
24:38
Speaker 1: Joe's happy. Hey, I'm telling you play now. I will
24:45
Speaker 1: say that of all the teams to go to if
24:47
Speaker 1: you were a tight end, that's the team you want
24:49
Speaker 1: to go to. Are those r p o s to
24:52
Speaker 1: the tight end that they run in Philadelphia? Saw him
24:54
Speaker 1: last year? That's what they did. I mean, that's the
24:56
Speaker 1: tight ends is huge in that I want to come
24:58
Speaker 1: here d well, Yeah, I mean why went Super Bowl
25:03
Speaker 1: about the jewelry? I like it, But I can't do
25:05
Speaker 1: that in Philly. I think they did. It's gonna end
25:09
Speaker 1: in London next dominate. They have to come to London.
25:13
Speaker 1: They don't want you don't come into Wimbley Stadium. And
25:16
Speaker 1: by the way, it's our Wimbley Stadium. I don't I
25:21
Speaker 1: don't believe plural. I think I don't believe all. I
25:23
Speaker 1: think it's stars were all big family with the Jaguar family.
25:28
Speaker 1: There's still a process to get to that point. Jagar family.
25:31
Speaker 1: Final thought here, Like it's like, you know, like your
25:35
Speaker 1: parents have like a house speech out, you go visit
25:38
Speaker 1: our place like you means I can't find a London's, Hey,
25:43
Speaker 1: my stadium kind of go hang out any time, like
25:45
Speaker 1: if a Conscience stars, Hey, Beyonce concert. But you're in right,
25:48
Speaker 1: this is the Jaguar Stadium. I would like to come
25:50
Speaker 1: in and see my stadium. Now doesn't work that way, Jeff, No, exactly. Hey,
25:55
Speaker 1: we'll come back and get into the fourth through the
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26:44
Speaker 1: get that break, and says it's good to get your
26:47
Speaker 1: body a risk and uh, you know, just kind of
26:49
Speaker 1: get away from the game. And you know, I kind
26:50
Speaker 1: of give a family, um, a vacation a little bit,
26:52
Speaker 1: but um out there while you know just what we do. So,
26:55
Speaker 1: I mean, this is our job, so you start to
26:56
Speaker 1: miss it, um, and so you know, I think it's
26:59
Speaker 1: always fun when you know what I'm saying, when you
27:00
Speaker 1: first get back and just getting back with all the
27:03
Speaker 1: guys and uh, you know, I'm just saying, seeing your
27:05
Speaker 1: coaches again. Cam Robinson, the left tackle for the Jacksonville Jaguars,
27:10
Speaker 1: earlier today on the Grand New JP Shadick podcast Check
27:13
Speaker 1: it out Jaguars dot Com and the iTunes. What you
27:18
Speaker 1: so emarrassing? Pretty good fight? He says he gets bored
27:21
Speaker 1: when he's not at the stadium's he's wired a little differently.
27:25
Speaker 1: It's because I'm talking about you self promoting your stupid podcast. Yeah,
27:28
Speaker 1: so you don't want to listen to it. It's Cam
27:30
Speaker 1: Robinson's the left tackle. It's an offensive when I'm trying
27:32
Speaker 1: to get no linement some love here, I'll just talk
27:34
Speaker 1: to him one on one. I don't need to listen
27:35
Speaker 1: to your dumb questions. Great, yeah, like how do you
27:39
Speaker 1: come up with your questions for that? Or like what
27:40
Speaker 1: was your conversation? Just conversation. Big off season for him.
27:44
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna get a little bigger in the
27:46
Speaker 1: weight room. He said that. Interesting to see what he's
27:48
Speaker 1: been doing, you know. Yeah, so check it out or not.
27:51
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I listened to it, thank you.
27:55
Speaker 1: I did. You did not listen to that? I did too.
27:58
Speaker 1: You were so he sat I write in that chair
28:01
Speaker 1: right there. That's when it happened. Okay, you were forced
28:03
Speaker 1: to listen to it. You're strapped down like the shoulder right.
28:10
Speaker 1: I should joke. Got a little embarrassing though, the Alabama thing. Yeah,
28:15
Speaker 1: he usually does, you know, affection, But in all seriousness,
28:20
Speaker 1: I give JP a hard time. He does a good
28:22
Speaker 1: job with his podcast, A good listen, even though it's
28:26
Speaker 1: embarrassing when it's Alabama. It's a good stuff because that's
28:30
Speaker 1: on the website, right, it's on the website, on iTunes,
28:33
Speaker 1: the whole thing, Jaguar's Radio all that. Let's touch on
28:36
Speaker 1: some of the corrected free agent make sure I check
28:38
Speaker 1: in that one out. I'm sure you will. I will.
28:41
Speaker 1: I love your stuff. You're telling me, I who are
28:43
Speaker 1: you like? He's like, you're telling me, I don't listen
28:46
Speaker 1: when you when you send me something, do I listen
28:48
Speaker 1: to give you feedback? No? Really, what did you ask
28:52
Speaker 1: for anything? I don't send you anything. You've never seen anything. Really,
28:56
Speaker 1: you never said anything. You want me to get into
28:57
Speaker 1: details about your play by play? Can we get back
29:00
Speaker 1: to the undrafted? No? No, no, no, we get the details.
29:05
Speaker 1: What was that? That wasn't one time? All the time?
29:09
Speaker 1: All the times? Multiple? Hell out of here. Let's get
29:12
Speaker 1: to the undrafted free agents that why are you read?
29:15
Speaker 1: Not read at all? That's just the sunburns, sunburned the
29:19
Speaker 1: tops down on the jeep right now? Uh, some some
29:21
Speaker 1: highlights from the undrafted free agents. You know the Jags
29:25
Speaker 1: have drawn from this pool over the last few years.
29:28
Speaker 1: Ryan Davis a guy, of course. I last year with
29:31
Speaker 1: Keelan Cole. Just to name a couple of guys. There
29:33
Speaker 1: are two players on the third team that have signed
29:35
Speaker 1: that we're in Mike Mayops top one hundred prospects entering
29:39
Speaker 1: the draft, including the Iowa State wide receiver Alan Wizard.
29:43
Speaker 1: Why do you drop out? He's top one. I mean, look,
29:50
Speaker 1: that's that's Mayoks list. Its pretty good. Uh, you know,
29:55
Speaker 1: I used to look all time leading receiver. I think
29:57
Speaker 1: at Iowa State. He's got incredible measure bulls when it
30:00
Speaker 1: comes to highway you know, okay speed, you know, mid
30:04
Speaker 1: four five. But I mean for a big guy, that's
30:06
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's gonna be. We know why he dropped.
30:11
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a team captain. He's got what
30:13
Speaker 1: legacy there at Ohio State Oiowa State? Father played there
30:17
Speaker 1: is Yeah, so I mean there's no issues there. It's
30:21
Speaker 1: not like any personal issues dropped or anything like that.
30:23
Speaker 1: But he's you know, here, here's the deal. And I
30:25
Speaker 1: was telling JP this and we're talking about this. If
30:29
Speaker 1: you're a big wide receiver can play special teams, you've
30:32
Speaker 1: got a chance to make it. And he's got the
30:34
Speaker 1: size to be able to make an impact on special team.
30:37
Speaker 1: He's the guy you were all excited about before we
30:38
Speaker 1: went to break uh Jackson Darius Darius Jackson from Jacksonville State.
30:46
Speaker 1: We're number forty at Jacksonville State. Now, Abam, I'm gonna
30:49
Speaker 1: tell you Tony just got can play. Yeah, you can play, uh,
30:53
Speaker 1: stand up outside linebacker rusher, super athletic, um dominate at
31:00
Speaker 1: that level of play. Uh. I don't know what he
31:04
Speaker 1: runs the forty time in, but he plays fast. I
31:08
Speaker 1: kind of had and I'm not trying to say that
31:11
Speaker 1: he is of this level, but you know, there's certain
31:14
Speaker 1: traits like the way a guy runs you might remind
31:17
Speaker 1: you of somebody. The way he ran and the way
31:20
Speaker 1: he was moving on this one particular pass rush move.
31:22
Speaker 1: I was telling JP and Justin, who does this remind
31:25
Speaker 1: you of? And it reminded me of Derek Thomas the
31:27
Speaker 1: way he kind of moved and had that you know,
31:28
Speaker 1: the neck brace on and the kind of the side
31:30
Speaker 1: to side a little shake that he had. And I'm
31:32
Speaker 1: not saying he's Derek Thomas, don't anybody, but I can't
31:40
Speaker 1: wait to see him. I think he's gonna be a
31:42
Speaker 1: guy that they probably play a linebacker just because he's
31:45
Speaker 1: you know, six two to forty and then could maybe
31:48
Speaker 1: big give you them, give them some edge rush ability?
31:50
Speaker 1: I mean, what was he the two time conference defensive
31:54
Speaker 1: player of the year. There, I can play the side
31:59
Speaker 1: note went to the same high school is both Jackson
32:00
Speaker 1: mcindoy High School in Bessemer. So who's the other top
32:04
Speaker 1: one player? The kid from Iowa stays Stanford corner Quintin Meeks. Yeah,
32:08
Speaker 1: and he left early, son of Ron Meeks, defensive coach Colts.
32:12
Speaker 1: You know, also went to high school here. But I
32:14
Speaker 1: grew up here in Jacksonville. Uh, he declared when early. Uh.
32:19
Speaker 1: In my opinion, he made a mistake. I watched his
32:21
Speaker 1: film The Free Agent Corner that they got from Vanderbilts
32:24
Speaker 1: better than him. I don't see him as being a
32:26
Speaker 1: top one hundred player. Let's go around the National Football
32:30
Speaker 1: League quick hitters here with a couple of minutes to go,
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan five years, a hundred fifty million dollar deal,
32:37
Speaker 1: thirty million a year, one hundred million guaranteed, and Aaron
32:41
Speaker 1: Rodgers might beat him next. Good to be a quarterback, right,
32:46
Speaker 1: I used to play quarterback. I should have played hundred million,
32:52
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed for everything, no matter what kickoffs could have
32:58
Speaker 1: a different field. This year. Proposal includes the following no
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Speaker 1: running starts or pre kicked motion by cover teams and
33:04
Speaker 1: no wedge blocks by return teams. There's a fifteen yard
33:07
Speaker 1: non contact zone from the spot of the kick. The
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Speaker 1: return teams required to have a minimum of eight players
33:13
Speaker 1: lined up fifteen yards from the ball. The final draft
33:15
Speaker 1: of that is coming up this week. Vote later. All
33:18
Speaker 1: all they're trying to do is make kickoffs much like
33:21
Speaker 1: punt punt, you know, where you don't have the high
33:23
Speaker 1: speed collisions. And I'm all for it. Yeah, And it's
33:27
Speaker 1: really not for the kick return or it's everybody else
33:30
Speaker 1: on the field on kick returns. And also on another
33:33
Speaker 1: note here that that way though, you're gonna have a
33:36
Speaker 1: lot of returns. That's the I think it's gonna be exciting.
33:39
Speaker 1: It better. Also, let me drop this in on your
33:42
Speaker 1: around the league. Congratulations to Jason Witten, yes for getting
33:46
Speaker 1: the Monday night gig and uh and moving on to
33:49
Speaker 1: the next step in his life. Awesome stuff after fifteen seasons.
33:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you now, great football player turned the
33:57
Speaker 1: film on, does everything the right way. Uh. And he's
34:01
Speaker 1: been a he's been an excellent player for a long time.
34:03
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for the way he's
34:05
Speaker 1: played the game. More broadcasting news Bruce Arians joining Gregg
34:09
Speaker 1: Gumbel and Trent Green and the CBS booth this season.
34:11
Speaker 1: It would be good. It'll bring some interesting color to it,
34:15
Speaker 1: I think, especially if he has a few drinks before
34:17
Speaker 1: he gets into foods. Come on the way, does that anymore?
34:20
Speaker 1: That's not that's not that's not professional anymore. It used
34:23
Speaker 1: to happen. JP used to do it. It used to happen.
34:26
Speaker 1: I'm not not saying with us here and Alabama Radio
34:29
Speaker 1: would have a few bourbons and go out there. There
34:32
Speaker 1: was there was a broadcaster was denying it. NFL player
34:37
Speaker 1: back in the day that used to have a few,
34:42
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not. I'm not throwing it out there.
34:45
Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing on the production meetings
34:47
Speaker 1: that I used to have with him who he was toasty.
34:53
Speaker 1: He'll do it for our program tonight. Max Hackman on
34:55
Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com this multiple times. Yeah, that's shocking to
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Speaker 1: have beer snack my board game, Jeff, I'm j P. Shadrick.
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