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Steelers Draft Recap · Steelers Country Weekly

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  Speaker 1: Today on Steelers Country Weekly, we break down the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six NFL Draft for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's it,
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  Speaker 1: that's everything. I'm Nick Detulio and as always I'm joined
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  Speaker 1: by the world famous accountant Eric Vanminshowt and Eric, how's
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  Speaker 1: it going tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 3: As we were talking about, you know, leading leading up
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  Speaker 3: to this podcast, how we're getting old, I've had about
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  Speaker 3: a four day belly and.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's just because I was eating so
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  Speaker 4: many good food watching the draft this weekend. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 4: just because I'm old, but maybe it's because of the
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  Speaker 4: feeling I have about this draft. But we'll get into
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  Speaker 4: that more.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, again, I can commiserate with getting old. But I
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  Speaker 1: tell you, like we were talking lately, I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: a workout regiment that's a combination of a couple different series,
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  Speaker 1: nine days on one day off, So I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you I had a As we're getting older, trying to
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  Speaker 1: watch what we're eat too, we're eating as well. So
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  Speaker 1: today I woke up early because my kids get on
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  Speaker 1: the bus at like six thirty five in the morning.
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I had a V eight Energy which says,
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  Speaker 1: it's got like a combined serving of fruit and vegetables
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  Speaker 1: in it. So I'm gonna just believe that it's healthy
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  Speaker 1: and not question it at all. Had some coffee and
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  Speaker 1: then instead of taking a lunch break, I did my workout,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of eating, I drank a delicious, refreshing, completely
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  Speaker 1: appetizing glass of carrot juice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I will say though, You know how,
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  Speaker 1: like some of those drinks, like whether it's tomato juice
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  Speaker 1: or like one of those other like blends of juices,
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  Speaker 1: you drink it and it tastes worse than if you
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  Speaker 1: just like eate all the parts separately that make up
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  Speaker 1: the juice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the part of the reason I like carrot juice
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  Speaker 1: is there's no surprises, Like, there's no weird aftertaste. It
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  Speaker 1: just it tastes as bad as you would expect it
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  Speaker 1: to and I can stomach that.
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  Speaker 5: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. Drink carrot juice, my friends.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, fit like us. Hey, I've got some
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  Speaker 1: muscle coming in now from these weights. I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you I can chest press up to fifty now. I
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  Speaker 1: just got to buy the fifty pound dumbbells. Next time
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  Speaker 1: I go to Walmart, do you want to guess.
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  Speaker 2: How much we need to get you at the combine?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Good lord?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to guess how much a fifty pound
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  Speaker 1: dumbbell costs?
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  Speaker 5: Right now?
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous and can go like.
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  Speaker 1: You need to go on prices right, seventy seventy dollars.
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  Speaker 1: So if if I want to continue to.
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  Speaker 2: Be an excellent prices right.
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  Speaker 1: Guy, So if I want to continue to lift more weights,
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  Speaker 1: I have to pay one and forty dollars just for
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  Speaker 1: the privilege of making myself miserable by exercising harder.
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  Speaker 3: So you know what you need to look into, is
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  Speaker 3: uh I like boflex Man the po flex.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm I should well, I don't know. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I've got my weight bench, I've got the dumbbells, and
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  Speaker 1: then like this is going to become the fitness podcast
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  Speaker 1: here in a second. I do I like to do
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  Speaker 1: cardio and the series I I do four cardio doesn't
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  Speaker 1: actually require any weights. It's just you and like I
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  Speaker 1: think they call it body weights is the style. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's stop talking about our exercise regiments. Well, we'll do
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  Speaker 1: a weightlifting podcast. Later, let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: although I think sounds like you might prefer to talk
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  Speaker 1: about weightlifting and exercise and carrot juice as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: this draft.
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  Speaker 5: But we have to do it next time. You're down here,
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  Speaker 5: my man. All right, So this was.
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  Speaker 1: Taking the Steelers out of the equation and taking our
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  Speaker 1: biases out. This was actually a pretty exciting draft.
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  Speaker 5: There was a lot of build up.
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  Speaker 1: It was in Pittsburgh, and I think that the city
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  Speaker 1: did a great job hosting. I thought it looked fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: It looked awesome. They had well over eight hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: people across all three days. They had the draft stage
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  Speaker 1: set up outside of the stadium, but they let fans
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  Speaker 1: from the overflow go into the stadium and watch the
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  Speaker 1: draft on the JumboTron. So just to give you an
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  Speaker 1: idea of how many people were there, and by all accounts,
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  Speaker 1: the city and the state of Pennsylvania did a just
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  Speaker 1: fantastic job logistically with planning and everything.
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  Speaker 5: So I do want to at.
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  Speaker 1: Least mention that that as far as the draft overall goes,
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh seems like it was one of the best hosts,
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  Speaker 1: if not the best hosts.
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  Speaker 5: So far.
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  Speaker 1: So congratulations, got off school. Yeah that's even better for them,
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  Speaker 1: why not?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. Good for them.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Steelers draft, and I guess
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  Speaker 1: I'll just go down the list of the picks first
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll go back and kind of talk about
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  Speaker 1: them in depth. The Steelers started out with twelve picks
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  Speaker 1: and then after a couple of trades, they ended up
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  Speaker 1: with ten. So ten people got picked by the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go through the list here, and again we'll come
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  Speaker 1: back and go through these in more depths.
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  Speaker 5: I'll just go.
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  Speaker 1: Rattle them off right now. Round one, pick twenty one overall,
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  Speaker 1: Max Ian Ocker, offensive tackle, Arizona State.
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  Speaker 5: How you say it? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I saw it, and I'm like, I'm not even
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  Speaker 2: gonna attempt to say that name.
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  Speaker 5: I will take the slings for that.
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  Speaker 1: Round two, pick number forty seven. Jeremy Bernard, wide receiver, Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Round three pick number seventy six. Drew Aller, penn State quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Round three number eighty five. Daleen Everett, cornerback out of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Round three pick ninety six. Jennings Dunker, tackle out of Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: Round four, pick number one twenty one. Caden Wetgin, wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver out of Iowa. Round five, pick one sixty nine,
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  Speaker 1: Riley Noahkowski fullback Indiana, Round six, pick number two ten,
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  Speaker 1: Gabriel Rubio, defensive tackle out of No Name. Round seven,
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  Speaker 1: pick number two twenty four, Robert Spears Jennings safety, Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: And in round seven pick two thirty, Eli Heidenreich, running
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  Speaker 1: back out of Navy. So before we get into the
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  Speaker 1: pick itself that the Steelers made at pick twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably good to talk about what happened
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  Speaker 1: to leading up to that pick. So the big story
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  Speaker 1: from the draft was that the Steelers were literally on
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  Speaker 1: the phone with USC wide receiver Makay Lemon uh because
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to pick him, but the Cowboys were on
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  Speaker 1: the clock. It was pretty well understood the Cowboys were
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  Speaker 1: going to take a defensive player, so the Steelers reached
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  Speaker 1: out to Lemon to let him know they were going
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  Speaker 1: to pick him. This is all on camera, by the
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  Speaker 1: way they have It was live when when it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Then the Eagles traded up and literally swiped Lemon and
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  Speaker 1: drafted him before the Steelers could. So the Steelers ended
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  Speaker 1: up taking Max Ian ocker tackle out of Arizona State,
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  Speaker 1: and I do have to admit that I was just
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  Speaker 1: pretty unhappy with how the Steelers were made to look
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  Speaker 1: like fools in that whole situation. You gotta have your
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  Speaker 1: ducks in a row. You've got to know these things.
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  Speaker 1: You're the city that's hosting the draft, and you quite
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  Speaker 1: literally had the sheets pulled out from under you. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that they were even talking to the guy before
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  Speaker 1: they were on the clock.
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  Speaker 5: One, you're not allowed to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt anything's gonna come of it because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that the Cowboys had traded their pick. There's obviously
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  Speaker 1: a delay there, but still it's like, come on, guys,
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  Speaker 1: but to have it done to you by your in
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  Speaker 1: state rival, and then for the simple fact that the
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  Speaker 1: guy you ended up picking very clearly knows that he
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  Speaker 1: was not your first choice. It's just I feel bad
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  Speaker 1: for him too, because now he's coming under scrutiny as well,
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  Speaker 1: which in a sense he does deserve scrutiny, as they
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  Speaker 1: all do because their NFL Draft prospects, but it's like
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  Speaker 1: an added level of scrutiny. So I will say, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into this pick here in a second, but
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  Speaker 1: I personally was just more upset with the situation and
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  Speaker 1: how the Steelers handled it. Then I guess what ended
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  Speaker 1: up happening. If that's like the actual result of what
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  Speaker 1: the pick was, If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of set the tone for it, Like it came
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  Speaker 3: off as we're so prepared and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: this happens.
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  Speaker 2: And it feels like we reeled right, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: and what.
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  Speaker 3: Makes it worse, this happens in your own city. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: you're hosting on National TV. I mean, you gotta know
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  Speaker 3: the cameras are on you, and you gotta know the
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  Speaker 3: cameras are on that guy. They throw smoke screens throughout
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  Speaker 3: the whole process. Why could you just not wait until
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  Speaker 3: you're on the clock.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it just to me, I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: shows amateurism, Like.
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  Speaker 3: There's a reason why you guys have to like be
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  Speaker 3: deceptive and do this and that.
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  Speaker 2: And also.
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  Speaker 3: If this is your guy, like you're so stoked about him,
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  Speaker 3: like move up. We had twelve picks, yeah, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: get into the picks later because we gave up to
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  Speaker 3: throughout the draft, but.
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  Speaker 2: Like, if this is your guy, then go get them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the same thing I thought about Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 3: he was sliding down the board. Honestly, I'm not sold
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  Speaker 3: on our safety. He's a play This guy's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a playmaker.
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  Speaker 2: Put money down.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, there's one prospect in this draft that is
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  Speaker 3: going to be a star.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be this guy.
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  Speaker 3: So to just then, I don't know, it just felt
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  Speaker 3: like a missed opportunity, you know, like we're we're there,
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  Speaker 3: we're waiting on it. We even throw out here's who
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna get and bam, rubbed from underneath the bus.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I was very annoyed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then two to after they make the pick,
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  Speaker 1: act like, you know, popping champagne, not really not literally
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  Speaker 1: popping champagne, but acting the way they did, and then
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  Speaker 1: being like we got our guy, Like we we all
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  Speaker 1: saw that you did not get your guy, Like really,
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  Speaker 1: like come on now, I'm not saying you should go
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  Speaker 1: out there and be like, oh, yeah, we suck. We
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  Speaker 1: had to settle for this guy, but don't just say
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  Speaker 1: something else please.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So guy, the prettiest girl at the ball said that
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  Speaker 3: she didn't want to go to dance with you, So
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  Speaker 3: you go to the other girl in the corner.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't gonna look at it quite like that,
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  Speaker 1: but sure, that's a that's a good metaphor that you
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  Speaker 1: can that you can choose to apply here. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and in your metaphor, you're not going to tell the
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  Speaker 1: girl that you had ended up asking that the other
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  Speaker 1: one said no, right, because you're smoother than that. And
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  Speaker 1: in this case that was well, and we the Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: were not in this case. So all right, Well let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the tackle out of Arizona State. They got
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  Speaker 1: max Ian Anchor, so I know you have some thoughts
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  Speaker 1: about this, and I did want to mention. And we
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  Speaker 1: had thought that they were going to go guard first,
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  Speaker 1: and we liked the guard out of Penn State, who
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  Speaker 1: I just knew he was going to go to freaking Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, he was not on the board. But again,
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  Speaker 1: that's another guy they could have traded up if they
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  Speaker 1: were high enough on him to get. But they go
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  Speaker 1: with tackle, which even since we recorded our draft preview show,
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  Speaker 1: did become more of a position of need with Broderick
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  Speaker 1: Jones's neck injury. I guess kind of being a little
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  Speaker 1: Murkier now not really knowing when he's going to be back,
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  Speaker 1: and even if he does come back, we know that
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  Speaker 1: his career hasn't been quite what everyone would have hoped
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  Speaker 1: it would have been. And there's probably a lot of
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  Speaker 1: reasons for that. I know, we've been pretty critical about
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  Speaker 1: the coaching he's received and placing him on the wrong
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball for half the time. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to make a decision on Broderick
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  Speaker 1: Jones here soon. So tackle was definitely a position of need.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing you pointed out was that he was
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  Speaker 1: like the sixth offensive lineman off the board by the
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  Speaker 1: time we took him, And I probably should have researched
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  Speaker 1: that to fact check you, but I'm gonna believe you.
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  Speaker 2: But there was I did go back and I checked it,
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  Speaker 2: and that was right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and there was even there was a run.
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  Speaker 1: So regardless, you your thought was, you know, is this
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  Speaker 1: really the best guy available? And so I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with the pick given the circumstances. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the guy did start thirty one games he played at
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  Speaker 1: Arizona State, and again it has become a lot more
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  Speaker 1: pressing of a need to get the line short up now,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm certainly trying not to let my frustrations with
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  Speaker 1: everything we've already talked about with the round one play
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  Speaker 1: into my my ranking here. But but yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is the phrase I've seen is this doesn't eat
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  Speaker 1: your vegetables pick like they kind of I haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, it's one of those. It's not super exciting,
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  Speaker 1: but based on who was on the board and where
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  Speaker 1: they were at and the move that the moves they
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  Speaker 1: could or couldn't make, it's a pick you kind of
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  Speaker 1: you have to do. So I'm at peace with the
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  Speaker 1: pick itself, I will say, but again, not at peace
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  Speaker 1: with how things played out overall in the round.
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  Speaker 2: Well, enjoy your piece. I'm not peaceful. It's just okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 3: You go into the draft, you have twelve picks, you
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  Speaker 3: have like seven picks on day day two, and you
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  Speaker 3: pick a guy that like, okay, is let's just unpack
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  Speaker 3: the low logic even just to buy this guy.
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  Speaker 2: I feel bad because he he seems like he's probably
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  Speaker 2: a nice guy.
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  Speaker 3: But this guy, and I told you he's only been
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  Speaker 3: playing since basically college.
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  Speaker 5: Right from that, Jerry, I believe so he.
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  Speaker 2: Has three years underneath of him, he's an athletic freak. Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: Hey you know I heard that about this other guy.
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  Speaker 3: His name is Broderick Jones. And let me throw something
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  Speaker 3: else at you. Oh, Broderick Jones can't go this year.
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  Speaker 3: Let's throw the project to the wolves and have them
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  Speaker 3: go against the likes of Miles Garrett Trey Hendrickson this year.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares?
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  Speaker 3: You know, Like I just don't see the logic, like
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  Speaker 3: why pick attack? Why force the issue? Like he's not
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  Speaker 3: the best player available. He was not Like I've seen
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  Speaker 3: this guy go in the second round in like mock
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  Speaker 3: drafts and I know, you know, grain of salt with
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  Speaker 3: mock drafts, but there, I do not think that. Like
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  Speaker 3: twenty one seemed like a ceiling and we were like,
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  Speaker 3: let's go get him.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Feels like the Kenny Pickett pick. We felt like there
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  Speaker 3: was a need we needed to do it. We filled
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  Speaker 3: it and we slap hands because hey, we filled our need.
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  Speaker 2: But did you is that the right guy? Is it
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  Speaker 2: gonna work out for us? I just don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see how it's gonna happen. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a failure unfortunately for this guy. Just you're
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  Speaker 3: already behind the ball.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I would really hesitate to throw Kenny Pickett's
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  Speaker 1: name on anyone. I think, I think the appropriate pick
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  Speaker 1: that you're looking for to compare him to his already burns.
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  Speaker 1: So I would go with that more so than Kenny Pickett.
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  Speaker 2: But well and that worked out really well.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I mean. I mean, I wouldn't quite go.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like Laradie is maybe a step above Kenny,
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  Speaker 1: so not quite as bad, we'll say.
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  Speaker 5: So, Yeah, look, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Was there anyone that they on the board that you
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  Speaker 1: can think of that you would have rather they had taken?
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  Speaker 5: That was there?
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  Speaker 3: You know. I he obviously slid down the board quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit, but there there were some talented safeties. But
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  Speaker 3: Warren from Toledo, I thought I was really big on
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  Speaker 3: getting a safety, and I just think that, look, it
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  Speaker 3: is investing in our defense when we have the highest
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  Speaker 3: defense in the league, most important thing right now. No,
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  Speaker 3: but like there weren't any marquee wide receivers.
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  Speaker 2: We obviously the one that we liked and enamored with
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  Speaker 2: was gone. And then.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you kind of look at the other things
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  Speaker 3: it's like there was a run on tackles. The guard
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  Speaker 3: that you wanted was not there. So again, it just
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  Speaker 3: goes into the issue of like, don't force it. Like,
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  Speaker 3: to me, I think that we would have been better suited.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna just say, Warren a guy from Toledo.
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  Speaker 2: I think he'll be a playmaker in the league.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I just felt like, there's definitely gotta
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  Speaker 3: be a better value pick at that at that spot.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, fair enough to do. Goalling down to
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  Speaker 1: the second pick. The Steelers did get their wide receiver here,
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  Speaker 1: pick number forty seven, Jeremy Bernard, wide receiver.
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  Speaker 5: Out of Alabama. So this is one of.
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  Speaker 1: The picks that the Steelers traded up to get, so
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  Speaker 1: they got rid of one of their other picks. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: now we get to the point in the draft where
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little closer to what you were feeling.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't nothing against Bernard. I'm sure he's a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: great wide receiver, and I'm glad that they did make
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they did get a receiver, But to me,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it just reaked like, Okay, we missed on our receiver
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in the first round. Now we have to absolutely get
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: this next one, so they traded up six spots from
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: fifty three to forty seven to get him. So I'm
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: not gonna try to put myself in their shoes and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: say that's exactly what they were thinking here, But yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the Steelers got a wide receiver.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I do think it's.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Interesting that they went with well, they wanted to go
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: with a receiver in their first pick, and then they
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: did do it in their second pick.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Drafting up to get there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Kind of tells me a little bit about what Mike
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: McCarthy and Omar connor thinking of the needs that the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: team has, even after getting Michael Pittman in the offseason
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: from the Colts. So we knew all last year, like, hey,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: all we have is dkay what happened? What happens if
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he goes down or in our case, gets suspended. So
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: they addressed it in the offseason, and they tried to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: address it with the very first pick of the draft.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: They make it happen in the second round. So I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: very excited for the receivers that we do have. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: think that Bernard has a great opportunity to come in
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and work with a room where he's got those two
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: guys in front of him. That's going to create a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: lot of space and opportunities for him. But the only
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: downside is, once again we don't know who's going to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: be throwing him the ball. And we can talk about
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that with the next pick too. But bo, look, the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Steelers still needed a wide receiver and they went out
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and got their guy, or a guy I should say.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: They got a guy.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I look, I don't have a ton of
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a read on this guy.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: The thing that just irks me the trading up.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Like, as we just kind of talked about in the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: last pick, you want your guy, you go up and
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: trade up for it. But now you just found that
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: second girl at the ballroom, right, you just you're just like,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: now you're coming off needy and we gave up a
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: draft pick in order to get a guy, And I
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: just felt like, do you really think he's gonna go
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: with him the next six picks? And if he does,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: do you think that you're not gonna want to get
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Avian Terrell, the cornerback from Clemson. You don't think that
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: like a Logan Jones, so it could be a guard
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: could be about available to you. Do you not think
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: that Warren the guy I just talked about who could
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: have been our first overall, our first round pick would
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: have been helpful for us.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Why make the trade up?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Why give a compensation to go get that guy?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if we're gonna stick with the girl
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: with the girl with the dance metaphor, you don't want
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to miss out on the second girl and have to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: settle for the third girl.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what I mean. Looking pretty googly.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But I understand your logic. It is are you so
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: high on this guy that you think that trading up
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: outweighs just sitting there and waiting for him to either
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: fall or for any of those other guys you mentioned?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it wreaks desperation to me. Yeah, I.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I said at first, too, right,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, My first thought was they're not They
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: really know they want a receiver and they don't want
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to miss out again. We'll talk about it a little
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: bit later too, because I'm a little more concerned with
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the other receiver they picked than Bernard. But in either case,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I would say that the next pick was the most
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: controversial pick, despite what people might be thinking. After listening
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to our rants about the first two round, three pick
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: number seventy six, the Steelers took Drew all Our quarterback
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: out of Penn State. This one surprised me. I was
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: not expecting it, just because I am of the belief
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that Rogers is probably going to come back, and even
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't, I was like, Okay, they'll just run
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with Will Howard for a year, like everyone's been super
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: high on him to at least give him a chance,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and then not that Mason Rudolph is the long term starter.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But I think most fans, given the circumstances, would probably
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: be okay with some combination of Rudolph and Howard, and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: if neither of them don't work out this year, then
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you do what you need to do to get a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: guy next year, right, But Nope, they took a third
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: round pick and took Drew Aller out of Penn State,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: who has not had the greatest.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Career so far.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of tangibles that people like physically.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But I think you you kind of ripped made to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: shreds a little bit on the mock draft when I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: took a quarterback in the third round, and I was like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you know what, I really couldn't trade the pick away.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: There was really nothing else available. And I completely understand
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what you're saying after see what you're coming from, after
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: seeing it happen live.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Mom, glad that right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: In my defense, in my defense, I was not doing
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: trades in the draft and there was literally nothing else
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I could do. But but yes, I'm with you this one.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I just feel like if there there's probably better players
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: out there that could make a more immediate impact, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not sold with Alur as the quarterback.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, in terms of what that guy
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: could have been, I don't know. You know, houstly we
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: were talking about guard. We don't have a guard right now.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But Emmanuel pregnant guy was a fringe one ending up
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: in the third round. We passed on him twice, so
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: obviously there's something to be said about that. But yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I I just okay, I'm gonna say again,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: are we are we competing? Are we reloading to compete
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: or are we rebuilding? I just don't know the identity
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: of this team. I think if you're doing two things,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you're doing no things same way with a quarterback, So.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Look, you just need to figure out your direction. I'm
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: not getting it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: You know, you think that you're drafting a roll tackle,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: but that he's going to probably start draft you trade
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: up for a wide receiver, but he's gonna sit in
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the third rose spot and then you draft a quarterback.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Like what are we doing here? I just I don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: see the vision.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's and I do think that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I do think that it would be nice to know
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: if Rogers is coming back for sure or not. But
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: but yeah, he's kind of.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't put money down he's coming back.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well regardless, let's say he does come back, that means
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you've got Alur, You've got Howard, and then you've got
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. You're gonna have to move off of one
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of them. So it's probably gonna be rude off, right.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And I imagine, Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not like you're going to get
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a huge haul for him or something. I mean, unless
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you're gonna hold out and wait for someone to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: hurt in the middle of the year and get a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: little bit higher premium than you would have anyway.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: But he's just gonna get cut.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's going to have to happen too, right,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: if you can't find a quick trade partner.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: But it is interesting though seeing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I saw Penn State's interim coach from last year basically saying, oh, yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we we just didn't have a good system for him,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: basically through through themselves and the former coach under the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: bus for that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: But I mean, in a in a in a manner of.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Speaking, it's not the most controversial quarterback draft or quarterback
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: draft pick this year. That would be them and Ty Simpson,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: who I think thankfully took that option off of our plate.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe that would maybe that would have been a Round
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: one pick for us. Oh yeah, but yeah, this I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think you hit the nail on the head. The divisions
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a little unclear here, so we'll see what happens.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that there could be worse
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: options at quarterback.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: This guy, he had a five to one touchdown the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: interception ratio at Penn State. I think his only thing
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: is he's kind of like a Kirk Cousins, Like the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: lights get bright, he dims. And I don't know, from
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: an intangible standpoint, if you don't have if you don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: have the skill set to be a first round draft pick,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and we're.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Downing her intangibles.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I just really doubt you're gonna make it as an
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: NFL starting quarterback. So to invest a third round draft pick,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: you know, when we did it with Mason made a
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: lot of sense. Ben's always injured. We have literally no
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that we can invest in the future. Let's do
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: it throwing at Darta to the wall of the third
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: round with a semi premium pick, your first pick of
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the third round. Nah, that's that good management.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And I you know, I understand too that they're not
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the team and Mike McCarthy is not going to come
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: in and be like, yeah, I really don't like will Howard.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they were doing picking him. I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you know, it was just a terrible decision. But at
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the same time, they've been very positive towards him, So
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it just kind of took me by surprise, given that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: how highly they've spoken of him, that they would use
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the pick here instead of using it elsewhere, seeing what
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Howard can do, and then you know, making a more
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: firm decision on quarterback next year.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I think it has anything to do with like maybe someone.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Will throw a fifth round draft that get us and
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: we get capital, we've never're gonna cut them.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that that would be the logic,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: because they had to use a third rounder to make
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that happen to get a fifth rounder.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: But but yeah, I don't.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the logic was here, other
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: than that they like him and they're gonna take a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: flyer on them, which again, it's one thing to take
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: chances at certain times, but I just in the third
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: round at this pick, I wasn't. I don't think that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the time to do it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Kind of like you said, was.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: This the pick that we got from George Pickens?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, so we traded. And don't get me wrong, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: honestly didn't want George on the team. I think he's
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: a distraction. I think he's detrimental more than he is instrumental.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: So I I think we did right getting rid of him,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: and for a third rounder it was good value.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But would you trade Drew Aller for George Pickens straight.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Up right now? Sure? Yeah? If we're the ones, if
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: we're the ones getting pickings.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean that's all That's the way I
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: would frame it, obviously. You know, it's the same way
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: as the Bears probably feel about usking Joey Porter Junior for.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Chase Claypool, right, So I just think we lost.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Up all right, Well, let's not dwell on it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go down to round three, pick number eighty five,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Dale and Everett cornerback out of Georgia. So cornerback was
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: another position they needed they have. They did a pretty
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: good job when they drafted Joey Porter Junior. He's been
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: pretty good, continues to get better. I think every year
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they've made some signings. Due to some injuries they had
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: last year they really had to put Jalen Ramsey out
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a safety.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: For a bit.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But this is one of those where I'm happy with
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the pick. I honestly, once we get down towards the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you know, low double digits and into the hundreds, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: start to lose a little bit of my in depth
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: knowledge of the guys. But look, I can tell you
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the guy is six to one and he plays a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: lot of manned man coverage. So that's why the Steelers
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like him. And I think that again with it being
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a position of need, this is the kind of pick
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that I can get behind at this point in the draft.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wouldn't necessarily call it need.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I think Joey Porter Junior statistically they have mentioned how
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: well he is now, I don't think that they factor
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: in the penalties aspect of it, which he's still working on.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: But when there's no dead ball fout, I mean, yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: he's he's great, so I think there's still something that
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: you can work with there. And then we just signed
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Jamel Dean, So I don't think I would say it
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: was a need, but like, you can never have a
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like wide receivers, you can't
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: have enough good ones. So it just felt like, yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: It's a comes. I don't know a lot about him.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: It comes from a good pedigree of Georgia, and you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I don't really necessarily know who our nickel would be anyway,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: so I think, uh, that makes a lot of sense.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, good for you, buddy, Good for you, buddy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite pick was next round three, pick number ninety six,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Jennings Dunker, tackle out of Iowa. Now you'll recognize him
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: because he's got the long, thick red mullet and mustache.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: He did lit up the combine. Even though he's listed
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: as a tackle.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: The guy as pretty I think they've pretty much said
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: he's going to be a guard, which again was a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: position that we knew we needed and you and I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: had been hoping would have been taken in the first round.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Possibly.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: But look, I'm not exaggerating. I think this is everybody's
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: favorite pick of the draft. I think he's a good
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: old boy. He's a farm boy. I was just watching
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: an interview where he They showed a clip of him
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: winning a hay Bale contest and he was wearing jorts. Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: so after he probably did. Look, I mean, this is
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: an offensive lineman from Iowa. I you know, can't really
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you want to talk about pedigree and what the Steelers
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: are looking for, this guy's probably probably it. You can't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: get someone more Steeler esque than this guy.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like screaming keyesel at you. You know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I and even on like you talked about his aesthetics.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But I actually I saw a statistic that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: He was like the second or third highest rated offensive
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: lineman over the last two years.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Now, how they do the.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: The stats, you know, and then it's probably like a
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: pro football focus.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I know some people don't always put a lot of
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: faith in.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: That, but like you said, the pedigree, the statistics, the stature,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: even if we want to talk about the flexibility, right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Like we think he could slide into guard, but he
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: has experienced a tackle, so he might be a slightly
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: undersized tackle. But if the new guy, like the first
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: round guy, isn't ready and he's more ready, we have
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: that ability.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: You know how much I loved Greg grave Digger, right, yes,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you know, like when that came out, I was like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: this guy's gonna be a stud. You know, he's not
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: getting his gold jacket tailored right now. But like, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: do think that he had a very good career. I
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: think this is a similar situation. Third rounder in the trenches.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Dude just nasty and I unfortunately, like grave Digger, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: would I would have loved.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: To see him stay with us.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He's obviously been very successful at I think every stint
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: he's gone to.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, make this guy a tenure.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: There you go again.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: The most popular pick, So this next one is Round four,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: number one, twenty one Caden wet Gin wide receiver out
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of Iowa. This was actually my least favorite one because
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: this was a massive reach. I mean, this guy probably
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: would have been available in the sixth round or maybe
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: even not have gone drafted.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: He's a return guy. That's what they drafted here was
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: a return guy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: So in these past picks when you've talked about did
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we reach because we felt like we had to replace
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: this guy or we had to get this position, That's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: what this pick screamed at me. Because we don't have
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Calvin Austen anymore, and I'm like, we can put a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: lot of different people back there, just not a Caleb Johnson,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: our running back that we drafted also from Iowa last year.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Not known for their skill position, but their offensive line,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: their trenches antight ends are.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Ideal exactly we So I just didn't I really didn't
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: care for this pick. I'm sure he's a great player
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and he'll probably be fine on special teams. I just
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: this was a big reach in my opinion.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going to greet him based on what
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I feel the rest of the draft went and maybe
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: not on this guy.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So I did see his tape. He is freaking fast, like.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: He was running and his head was still, but his
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: whole body was moving, and it was a very weird
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: experience to kind of like see I go look at
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: his like touchdown his guff touchdown returns, and I.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Think you might see what I mean.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he's an understized guy unless he's gonna become Edelman.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't make the last sense. But McCarthy
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he maybe he likes possession wide receivers. I don't know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could work out for us.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: But my only thing about drafting for kick return or
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: puck return is that I feel like the game has
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: diminished the return on those guys. Like, yes, it's not
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like Devin Hester investing a second round into him.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And even though he.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Didn't pan out as a cornerback, he's wearing a gold
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: jacket because he returned so many kicks.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to return a kick now. They even
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: we saw it this last year, Boswell kicked out of
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: bounds because it was.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: From a penalty wise advantageous to do so, like it's
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: certain situations, it makes more sense of kicking out of bounds.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: So how how do we think that we're gonna juice
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: out more points from getting this guy?
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a fair question. And that's kind of.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Where I'm going too, is because why are you going
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to use a fourth rounder for a return man, which
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it's kind.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Of like drafting a top five running back, and I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: not trying to like get on love he he does
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: look like a special talent, but you know, it's it's
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: a dying breed, right like he just when someone drafts
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: a kicker, you know, sometimes people also like bad night
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: at that, so it's.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Kind of the same.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Rough Yeah, absolutely, okay. Next pick was round number five,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: pick one sixty nine, Riley Nowakowski, fullback out of Indiana.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: This pick was more or less the Connor Hayward replacement pick.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Sky does fullback, he does tight end, does a little
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: bit of everything, and he's a little bit bigger than
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Connor Hayward as well. So at this point in the draft,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: based on what they were looking for, this is a
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: pick that I'm okay with and I can get behind.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Sure, But like, does anyone draft a fullback anymore?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's ay.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: A dying breed of athlete. I mean, fullbacks gotta be
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: There's like three guys in the league that could probably
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: claim they're true fullbacks. Look, Cameron Hayward was a nepotism
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: guy that joined and for some reason Arthur Smith loved him.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: No idea why we needed to backfill this. We have
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Darnel Washington, we have.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Muse, and I don't know, we probably still have another
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: backup tight end that we could fill. But we ran
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: the most twelve personnel offense coordinator in the league last year,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and we still were talking about the neglected myth. We
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: were talking about why is Jonah Smith out there? Look,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand why we would need and I
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: think his position's technically called an h back, but why
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: do we need that, especially a fifth round undrafted? True,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: let someone come in, but a fifth rounder.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Man, No redeeming qualities in this draft for Eric now
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: except for Dunker.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, Like I told my work buddy when he has
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: asked me how it was and what my mind came to,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: but I couldn't say because of at work was poor.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: All Right, Well, now I'm afraid to give any opinions
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: that I might have, So I guess we'll just see
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: what happens here. Round six, Pick two, ten, Gabriel Rubio,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle out of Notre Dame. Look, once we get
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: into round six, I'm not looking for anyone that I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: think is going to make an immediate impact. The rare
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: occasion might be when you take like a flyer on
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: someone who's had like a pretty significant injury or something,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: just because there's the slim possibility that they might bounce back,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you know. So here, I'm just looking at this as
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a depth pick. They have a guy that they like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: who had good metrics, and that's why they went there.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's really all I can say.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the pick I'd probably have the least
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: knowledge or impression of.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Still no fire and brimstone from you.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Hear about wasting the pick and how it could have
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: gotten literally anyone else, no.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Literally, no idea.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Round number seven, pick two twenty four, they took Robert
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Spears Jennings safety out of Oklahoma. You had mentioned it before,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and I think I've talked about it on some of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: our past episodes, where safety is a position that we
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: thought they needed. As it turns out in this draft,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: they did not pick a safety that could have made
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: an immediate impact. I know that they've made some signings
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: in the off season, so it seems like they know
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: who's going to be the starters. So when they use
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a seventh rounder here, it's it seems to me like, well,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the value fits. We do have a need here, so
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: we'll just plug him in for depth and even.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: If they couldn't start.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: My thought about the safety was, we've been rotating one
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: year signings at safety for a while and we really
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: haven't paired when we had Minca. We haven't paired anyone
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: with him that stayed. So when you trade away Minca
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: and you just kind of are patchworking it, you kind
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: of made Jalen Ramsey a full time safety, which, whether
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you like it or no, I just I didn't understand
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: why you would pay a premium price for him to
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: play a converted position. But like, he's probably not in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: your future either, because you don't want to pay a
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: safety thirty million dollars a year unless.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: They're elite, and he's not.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Sure, going six round with it is great, But he's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: most likely going to play kickoff coverage, so.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: That's it, okay, all right. So the last pick was
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: also it was a good one.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: They picked Eli Heidenrich out of Navy, a running back
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in the seventh round with pick number two thirty. This
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: was probably one of the more special moments of the draft,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: just because it's a military academy guy. He was able
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to defer his service so that he could pursue a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: NFL career.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: He's from Pittsburgh, so.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember the last time a seventh round
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: pick was actually at the draft, but because he's from Pittsburgh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: he was there. So he got to come out and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: get the ovation like all the first rounders do.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: So that was pretty neat to see.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And we know the Steelers do need to get a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: little bit of depth in the running back room. The
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: only thing I will say, and this is a little
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: bit skeptical of me, is I feel like people are
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: being a little too generous on the pick to try
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to whitewash over the rest of the draft. So that's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the cynic in me, and I hope I don't get
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: hammered for that, but but that that's just kind of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: how I felt like, Oh, look at this great pick.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: What a way to end the draft.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, but we could have still picked
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: him and made a lot of other different picks before
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: him too.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and I understand what you're saying, Like there's
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that are like, oh, this team
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: killed it on Day three, but they didn't do well
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: with their premium picks, and.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: That's really where you should be graded on. No. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: did like this pick too.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: But this kind of goes back to and I think
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I was trying to allude to it with the kick
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: returner in the fourth round.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he seems like a gadget guy.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: He's a guy that could like twee between running back
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: wide receiver. You know, a guy that seems like he
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: can run the wildcat kind of thing. So if you
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: were going to do it like that, this would have
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: been the guy. And it seems like it worked out.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: But if he think that he's going to become the
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: start running back or anything more than always competing for
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: a fifth wide receiver spot, then you know, I just
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: don't think he can place.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Like you said, a lot of weight into this pic.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: This picky.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I will say it was a very cool moment getting
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to see him walk out onto the stage with the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: terrible towel, getting the standing ovation from all the Steelers
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: fans that were there, and let's face it, in the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: seventh round, it was only Steelers fans left at the draft,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: but he got to like walk through the crowd and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: go onto a separate stage in the middle of the crowd,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and it was cool hearing that all the broadcasts kind
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: of go quiet and like just let the moment play out.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: So that was nice.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: I do hope it works out. I really do.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And again, my beef is not with the guy himself
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: or the pick itself. It was kind of of the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Steeler's own like reaction to it, saying, hey, what a
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: great way to end the draft.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Look at this, This the best pick of Day three.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, but it's Day three for a reason. So
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: if they had said nothing at all, it would have
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: been I would agree it would be one of the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: greatest moments of the draft.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: But I don't need the Steelers to tell me that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, all right, I'm a.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Little afraid to ask, but what great are you going
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to give this draft? For Omar Cohn, Mike McCarthy and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I think I might go with the Okay.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't want to call it a fail because
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not a future teller, but in terms of as
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: uninspired as you can possibly get after watching an NFL draft,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: that's probably where I'm at. So because for me, I
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: don't and it goes back to some of the comments
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I made. I don't know if I'm supposed to be
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: a fan for twenty six or twenty seven. And I've
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: mentioned that's the fallacy of this team. You need to
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: pick one. Are you rebuilding? Are you contending? And to me,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I just don't think they've been able to rip that
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: band aid off.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I will tell you the Steelers think they're contending. Whether
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: or not they actually are is a different story.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what I'd love to, you know, beat
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the Bengals record for most consecutive playoff losses in a row.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Let's do it?
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: Why not? All right?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Um, again, I'm a little more generous than you, and
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: most of my anger was directed not necessarily at the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: picks themselves, but again, how the Steelers handled things again
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: with the first and the last picks and whatnot. I'm
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a C because so I'm a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: little bit higher than you.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: There weren't any.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Major picks that really excited me. And honestly, the Jennings
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Dunker stuff, a lot of that's just because of his appearance.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: If I'm being totally honest with you, I'm sure he's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a great guy and he's definitely a great athlete, But
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you can't tell me that you didn't see the picture
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and your first thought was wow, I bet that guy
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: has a great three point stance and great metrics.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Right, so.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Well, but that was not your first thought. Your first
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: thought was wow, look at that guy. So that's why
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going with C. It's the metaphor I used before
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: was eat your vegetables again. They needed a lot of
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: these positions. They probably reached for some, uh, definitely reached
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: in others. But uh, yeah, it's just it's just a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: ho hum draft, And I would say that, Yeah, I
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: don't even know what to say anymore. It's just the
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: most draft that I can recall in a long.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Time, exactly uninspired.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uninspired, but not quite as melancholy as you feel.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: So well, let me let me cut this way. So
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: some fans are excited for the super Bowl. Some fans
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: are excited for the draft. The Browns are always excited
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: for the draft. If you we're not excited for either.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say that we're not.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: We're not going to Super Bowl, and we're competing for
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the thirteenth through twenty spot in the draft next.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Year, same time, same place, next year.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I yeah, and I was talking about this, It's just
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I feel, hm, I feel like I've just kind of
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: gotten numb to it, you know, like.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: Not to h.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Not to uh necessarily quote the man who's barely out
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the door, but the standard is the standard is so
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: appropriate as a metaphor right now. So I don't know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's just kind of where I'm at. I'll
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: give it the CEA, you give it a D plus.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: We're kind of close, but a lot of it's gonna
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: come down to who's going to be throwing the ball
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and do we really think that the new coaching staff
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: is going to make that much of a difference.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know what I want to like
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: when it comes to grades, I do want to say this,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I give my grade because I see so many grades
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: where like the lowest grades, like a C plus, I'm like, no,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: there's some people that fail, yeah, and there's some people
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: that ace it. And if you're not afraid to give
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: some if you are afraid to give anyone F, then
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should be grading. So I'm not
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: saying that the Steelers failed this draft. I just think
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that they were in the bottom maybe percent of the league.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: Was there, I'd say that's that's fair.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Was there any team that had a particularly good draft
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that stuck out to you or maybe not even a
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: whole team, but was there a particular pick that you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: really liked.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that the I think the
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Browns did get great value. Now whether works out, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: it's to be determined. But I mean their biggest plague
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: is who's going to be quarterback. I mean, they they
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: have Deshaun as they say has got the inside track
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: at starting because he looked dominant. But they even drafted
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: another sixth rounder this year, so I guess they're going
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: to carry four quarterbacks on the team. You know. Given
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: kudos to John Harbaugh, I think that the Giants nailed
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: their first two picks. I think that they got a
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: lot more talented. And I think that the NFC East
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: is pretty vulnerable.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I think that the Eagles, you know, they're gonna get
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: rid of a g Brown.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts head down year. Is it a blip or
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: You know, he's just he's getting older and he was
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: an athletic quarterback and maybe he's not as athletic anymore.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We talked about that at the beginning of the show.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: So I think that, you know, if I had to
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: kind of say a team really right at the ship
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: and could actually win something this year, I would say
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the Giants diad. I.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I liked the Ravens pick, like I mentioned, because that
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: was the guy that I wanted. And your guy, Caleb Downs.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I thought the Cowboys were really smart and picking him
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: because that defense needs some work, and just hearing Ryan
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Day and Nick Saban talk about him, and Nick Saban
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: basically saying he's the smartest guy he's ever coached. The
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Cowboys could sure use a lot of intelligence, I'll say that.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think those were some of the teams
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that I liked. I was going to ask you too,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: because the biggest I don't know if you want to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: call it controversy, but the most talked about pick in
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the draft is definitely Ty Simpson going in Round one
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to the Rams. So I wanted to get your take
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: on that. What were your thoughts of that on that
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: whole situation, I.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Don't necessarily hate picking Ty Simpson at thirteen, and it's
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: weird because like the Steelers near quarterback, I just don't
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: necessarily think he's the guy but like I will.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Say, the Rams.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Able to implement a good offense and showing that because
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: they've Jared Goff was got onto a Super Bowl and
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Stafford won a Super Bowl. They hit a great defense,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: but you got to do that with some offensive efficiency.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: So I think that the only thing I was viewing
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: it as is I thought the Rams were going to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: go all in on actually just you know Lemon, like
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the guy that we got swooped from under us. They
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: like that was some popular mock because you know, unsure
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: about Pooka, Davante is getting older. You know, you want
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: to keep Stafford's MVP pace going on, so invest in
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I just think it was weird to pick a guy.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: That could be the guy in no more than a
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: year or no less than a year. But you don't
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: even know how long Stafford's gonna go. He can go
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: three years, so why why pick him?
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Now? You know?
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: And I mean that's always one of the debates, right
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: We've had it as Steelers fans. Every other team that's
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: had a franchise quarterback has had it too, is when
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: do you.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Get the next guy?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And to your point, you never know how long your
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback's gonna go. It's never gonna I shouldn't say never,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: but the odds of it being a perfectly clean handoff
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: are very very slim. Right from one guy to the next.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: When it comes to the Rams, one of the things
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I've heard people say is, well, the offense isn't the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: reason that they didn't make or didn't or that they
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: missed the Super Bowl.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: It was a defense.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And maybe they didn't think that any of the defensive
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: players that were available there were worthy of that pick.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like they probably could have gotten a pretty
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: good one if they wanted to.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Well the right Like we just talked about highly about
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  Speaker 3: Kale Downs, he was there at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the turn of the draft.
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  Speaker 2: So like, again, if you're in the win mode and.
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  Speaker 3: Lesson, he has shown a propensity to say, f those
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  Speaker 3: draft picks, then.
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  Speaker 2: You go and get your win thow guy.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just weird, like, why have best not a
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  Speaker 3: quarterback that his ceiling would.
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  Speaker 2: Have been thirteen?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the logic, I mean, look, the logic is always,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to do that, you'd better make sure
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  Speaker 1: you don't miss right, because then you missed out on
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  Speaker 1: the next on the quarterback of the future, and you
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  Speaker 1: didn't help your current.
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  Speaker 5: Team out se Yeah, I don't. I don't know that
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  Speaker 5: that's the pick I would have made.
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  Speaker 1: I probably would have done something more to win now,
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  Speaker 1: But it's just interesting to see teams doing that when
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  Speaker 1: that's not what you and I are accustomed to seeing
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  Speaker 1: for our own team. Yeah, but it's possible they could
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  Speaker 1: have overcompensated too, so yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is we're still talking about a
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  Speaker 3: guy that almost had a six to one touchdown ratio
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  Speaker 3: playing for Bama on a college football playoff team.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw.
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  Speaker 3: Stat it was like quarterbacks that had basically one year
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  Speaker 3: starring experience and then got drafted.
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  Speaker 2: It was just not good. You know. It was like.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was Dwayne Haskins, Anthony Richardson. I have
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  Speaker 3: to look and see if I can jog my memory,
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  Speaker 3: but the list was not good. Like, oh, Daniel Jones,
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  Speaker 3: I think was one, and you know, he's probably the
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  Speaker 3: best person he can say and even though the Colts
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  Speaker 3: really believe in them, I don't think thirty other teams
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  Speaker 3: would say the same.
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  Speaker 1: So right, all right, Well, was there anything else you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about with the draft, since you're just
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  Speaker 1: floating with positivity tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Still Steelers fan.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we will.
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  Speaker 1: Still be there week one, ready to go and hopeful
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  Speaker 1: and uh, who knows, maybe they'll surprise us.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I'd be real surprise.
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