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Spain WINS World Cup Thriller vs. Lionel Messi & Argentina, George Kittle’s plea for grass fields, Bryson DeChambeau’s British Open controversy · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? How are
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Speaker 1: we doing? John middlecop three and out podcast. We're Back, Baby,
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Speaker 1: We are Back. Was gone for a couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: and then didn't do a show Thursday or Friday. But
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, let's fire up the mic.
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Speaker 1: See if your boy still got it. So we got
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Speaker 1: Spain win the World Cup. We got the grass fields conversation.
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Speaker 1: They just will not die from the NFL players after
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Speaker 1: watching the World Cup and all the NFL stadiums having grass.
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Speaker 1: We had a big suspension in the NFL of an
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Speaker 1: executive I wanted to dive into. We got training camps,
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Speaker 1: rookies reporting all over the league this week. Bryson d
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Speaker 1: Chambeau made some headlines as well. Over across the Pond
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Speaker 1: at the British Open, Scataboo almost ripped up his knees again.
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Speaker 1: We'll have a podcast all week so talking football. I
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Speaker 1: saw Rex Ryan followed me on Twitter. I might shoot
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Speaker 1: you can find us there. But let's just uh, let's
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Speaker 1: dive into the weekend. You know, having been at Fox
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Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday the World Cup. Just you know,
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Speaker 1: by the time I got there, it was obviously wrapped up.
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Speaker 1: But hearing stories about the crews that I mean that
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Speaker 1: was their home base in Los Angeles to broadcast all
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Speaker 1: the games. What an event. And listen, I'm not don't
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Speaker 1: pretend to be a soccer guy. I will not watch
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Speaker 1: another soccer game for a long long time. But I
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Speaker 1: was enthralled by this tournament. It was awesome. Obviously, you
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Speaker 1: know Messi, I would say, was the uh was the
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Speaker 1: big winner for US in America. Uh, just because he's
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Speaker 1: clearly considered one of if not the best player of
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Speaker 1: all time, but most of us don't watch soccer, so
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Speaker 1: while we know his name, it's not like I watch
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Speaker 1: him play very often. I mean, hell, he's been in
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Speaker 1: America for several years in Miami. I've never watched him
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Speaker 1: beside highlights I've seen on Twitter him ever play a game.
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Speaker 1: And today he got his ass kicked because Spain dominated
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Speaker 1: that game. You don't need to be Poachattino or Pele
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Speaker 1: to watch that thing. I mean it looked like you
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Speaker 1: watched the eighty five Bears and being in Fox hearing
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Speaker 1: all the soccer guys talk. I mean, clearly they're the
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Speaker 1: best defense in the world and they dominated that game.
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Speaker 1: And that's the crazy part about soccer. You can get
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Speaker 1: your ass kicked and lose one to nothing, and that's
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Speaker 1: what we witnessed. And Argentina's goalie will look like Messi
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Speaker 1: and goal I mean, he was freaking incredible. That was
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Speaker 1: just a great event. And I've said this over the
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Speaker 1: course of the last thirty forty days. I think the
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Speaker 1: reason this worked for a country that is not that
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Speaker 1: into soccer relative to these other countries is we like
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Speaker 1: big events, and Fox is one of the NFL's key partners,
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Speaker 1: and they treated it like the NFL. The games felt big,
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Speaker 1: the stars came to play, and it was very very
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Speaker 1: easy to consume and listen. We can all have our
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Speaker 1: nitpicks with them flopping. My wife looked at me mid
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Speaker 1: game today, She's like, I don't even understand the rules
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Speaker 1: guys getting yellow cars red cars. The flopping is something
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Speaker 1: that is just not gonna resonate with a lot of
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Speaker 1: people in this country. We talk a lot of shit
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Speaker 1: about it when it comes to the NBA. It's gotten
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Speaker 1: out of control, and soccer makes that look like, you know,
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Speaker 1: a violent sport. So one conversation, though, that has been
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Speaker 1: the forefront of a lot of kind of national sports talk,
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Speaker 1: is the greatest athlete and is Messi the greatest athlete
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Speaker 1: of all time? Or who is the greatest athlete of
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Speaker 1: all time? I personally think that discussion is kind of stupid.
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Speaker 1: Like Messi could not play any other sport, right, He
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Speaker 1: couldn't play in the NFL, he couldn't play baseball. He
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Speaker 1: obviously couldn't play basketball at five foot seven. Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: once famously said I remember watching an interview that the
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Speaker 1: thing that makes football so unique we consider him the
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Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time, and he's like I would
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Speaker 1: start at any other position for a good high school team.
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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods probably couldn't be the first baseman for the
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Speaker 1: LA Dodgers of the New York Yankees, right There aren't
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Speaker 1: many athletes like Michael Jordan in the late eighties early
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Speaker 1: nineties would be like he's the best player, he's the
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Speaker 1: most skilled, and he's the best athlete. That's not always
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Speaker 1: the case, like Steph Curry's never been the best athlete
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Speaker 1: in the NBA. He's definitely never been the biggest. He's
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Speaker 1: never been the guy that could jump the highest. You
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Speaker 1: could argue in the last fifteen years, the best athlete
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Speaker 1: in the NBA was Russell Westbrook and he's definitely never
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Speaker 1: been the best player of the league. I know he
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Speaker 1: won the MVP. That's up for debate whether he should
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Speaker 1: have or should not have. But my point is is
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Speaker 1: that this notion of who the best athlete is much
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Speaker 1: different than who the best player is at their sport,
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Speaker 1: and clearly Messy for a long period of time, is
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Speaker 1: considered the best soccer player and probably arguably the best
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Speaker 1: soccer player of all time. That doesn't mean he he's
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Speaker 1: the best athlete ever to play soccer, just like Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady clearly is not the best athlete to ever play
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Speaker 1: NFL football. Even if you take other athletes in football historically,
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Speaker 1: you'd be like LT is the greatest defensive player or
6:15
Speaker 1: Reggie White is the greatest defensive player. What other professional
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Speaker 1: sport could they play? Like Michael Jordan couldn't hit two
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Speaker 1: hundred and double A and listen, that's like you could
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Speaker 1: argue Bo Jackson is probably the only guy that will ever, has,
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Speaker 1: ever and ever will again be really good at two sports.
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Speaker 1: Unreal baseball player and obviously a pretty dominant football player,
6:37
Speaker 1: but his career did last long, injuries, whatever, But like,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty rare. Dean Sanders did it both, but no
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Speaker 1: one considered him like a great baseball player. It's pretty rare.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking about the nineties, Like Greg maddox is
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Speaker 1: probably the best pitcher of the nineties. He couldn't play
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Speaker 1: point guard for the Chicago Bulls, right, he couldn't play
6:58
Speaker 1: you know, free safety for the Baltimore Ravens. And like
7:02
Speaker 1: Ken Griffy, it's pretty rare who at one point in
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Speaker 1: time in his career he could argue Barry Bonds like
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Speaker 1: could do it all. And Griffy probably was a better
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Speaker 1: defensive player than Barry, but he'd hit for average, he'd
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Speaker 1: hit for power, he could run, he could he was
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Speaker 1: a leade on defense. He had a good arm. Like
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Speaker 1: he literally could do it all. That's pretty rare in baseball.
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Speaker 1: Like Kyle Schwarber, we talked about this with Colin. He's
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Speaker 1: probably one day can hit five hundred home runs. He's
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Speaker 1: a career two thirty three hitter. Now you can argue
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Speaker 1: the games change, that's what they want you to do. Fine,
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Speaker 1: but like historically that's not gonna hold up very well
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Speaker 1: in the history of the sport. And I just think
7:38
Speaker 1: this argument of like who the greatest athlete is of
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Speaker 1: all time is a much different argument than who the
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Speaker 1: best player is at their sport because being a great
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Speaker 1: player typically once you have the baseline of pro athleticism,
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Speaker 1: so much more is asked of you. Like Jokic is
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Speaker 1: it probably a top five athlete on his own team,
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Speaker 1: but his skill level, like in being skilled at what
8:04
Speaker 1: you do. And as we get into training camp and
8:07
Speaker 1: we see the haves and the have nots, you're definitely
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Speaker 1: gonna see this by three weeks from now, Well, why
8:14
Speaker 1: is in the second the guy we drafted in round
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Speaker 1: two and three? They're not playing because they don't know
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Speaker 1: the offense. Maybe the dude he's a defensive back. His
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Speaker 1: ball skills aren't very good. He turns out he can't
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Speaker 1: do X, Y and Z, and the dude they took
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Speaker 1: in the seventh round actually has those skills, but he
8:31
Speaker 1: can't run. He can't jump as high and as fast
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Speaker 1: as the other guy. But it doesn't matter because he's
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Speaker 1: a more skilled player. He has a better understanding of
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Speaker 1: the defense. He just is better at what is asked
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Speaker 1: of him to play cornerback in the NFL. It happens
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Speaker 1: every single training camp. It's why I don't get that
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Speaker 1: caught up around draft time of going this is the
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Speaker 1: greatest draft. Look at this guy they drafted in the
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Speaker 1: second round. We see every single year. And I went
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Speaker 1: to training camps for like fifteen years of of my
9:00
Speaker 1: adult life, and one thing you would see at every
9:03
Speaker 1: training camp, whether I worked in the league or whether
9:06
Speaker 1: I just went as a talking head, is that by
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Speaker 1: the end of camp, the dude that they were so
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Speaker 1: high on because they draft him in the first or
9:13
Speaker 1: second round was being outplayed by a guy there was
9:16
Speaker 1: a third day pick or an undrafted free agent. It's
9:19
Speaker 1: why on most teams, undrafted free agents make a team.
9:23
Speaker 1: Like all throughout the league on average, more you know,
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Speaker 1: like one guy makes a team and some teams several
9:28
Speaker 1: guys make the team. Now, depending on how good you
9:31
Speaker 1: are there, you know how many roster spots are available.
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Speaker 1: But if you're a first or second rounder, you're on scholarship,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make the team. It doesn't mean you're better
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Speaker 1: than that guy through the first thirty five days of
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Speaker 1: your NFL career. And I just think when we play
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Speaker 1: this game the greatest athletes, it's like there's a much
9:49
Speaker 1: bigger difference than being a great athlete and a great
9:53
Speaker 1: player at whatever sport you play. Like the Kyler Murray
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Speaker 1: thing when he was drafted to the Oakland a and
10:00
Speaker 1: Billy Bean took him. I think with the ninth or
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Speaker 1: tenth pick, it was a pretty bold pick because if
10:05
Speaker 1: you look at him statistically when he played at Oklahoma,
10:09
Speaker 1: it's not like he batted four hundred. It was betting
10:12
Speaker 1: on the traits, and anyone that falls baseball knows that
10:17
Speaker 1: traits don't always translate because you have to prove yourself
10:20
Speaker 1: once you get to the minor leagues. It's like, most
10:23
Speaker 1: guys can hit a ninety nine mile hours fastball, right,
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Speaker 1: but can you hit the breaking stuff? Can you be
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Speaker 1: a good two strike hitter? Can you go the other way?
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Speaker 1: Can you be a high end defender? Like these are
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Speaker 1: question marks at the highest level that you don't know
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Speaker 1: in baseball. You don't know in any of these sports
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Speaker 1: when you get drafted. So, I mean, we see in
10:40
Speaker 1: summer league all these guys that just in this draft class.
10:44
Speaker 1: I haven't watched that many Summer league games, but I've
10:46
Speaker 1: seen a lot of the highlights. I watched that first
10:47
Speaker 1: Aj debonsa Darren Peterson game. Yeah, they both look like
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Speaker 1: they got a chance to be especially debonsa like a
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Speaker 1: high high end player. But eventually people figure out what
10:58
Speaker 1: you do. You got to prove that you can do
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Speaker 1: other things and you have to adapt. And that's what
11:04
Speaker 1: you never know when you talk about the great athletes.
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Speaker 1: It's clearly what makes Messi so special. He can literally
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Speaker 1: do it all in terms of his sport. At soccer,
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Speaker 1: It's like I saw now Phil Simms. Chris Simms came
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Speaker 1: out with this thing best players he ranked his top
11:22
Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks when they were in the prime of their career,
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Speaker 1: like the peak of their ability, and he didn't have
11:28
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the top ten. And is Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback to come into the NFL? Obviously
11:35
Speaker 1: not even in the peak of his powers. Was he
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Speaker 1: the fastest, most mobile? Did he have the biggest arm.
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Speaker 1: You wouldn't say that John Elway had a bigger arm.
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Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks were more mobile. But I watched them in
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Speaker 1: the peak of his powers in the biggest moments. It
11:49
Speaker 1: didn't get any better than Tom fucking Brady. And like
11:53
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was on the list, Yeah, Lamar Jackson is
11:56
Speaker 1: extremely talented. He's had some great seasons his MVP. Like
11:59
Speaker 1: I've watched him in the biggest's not played that well.
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Speaker 1: Like say, you can see the same thing for Josh Allen,
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Speaker 1: who was also on that list. It's like, you can't
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Speaker 1: have him above Tom Brady because I watched them both
12:09
Speaker 1: in the biggest moments with it all on the line,
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Speaker 1: and I've seen the one guy come through and I've
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Speaker 1: seen the other guys not. That's just a fact, so
12:16
Speaker 1: I and that's why speak to Tom Brady's brilliance the
12:20
Speaker 1: Messi's brilliance is like they come through in the biggest moments,
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Speaker 1: not because they're the fastest, not because they're the biggest
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Speaker 1: or the strongest, because they're the best player and that's
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Speaker 1: what they're paid to do. The other big topic that
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Speaker 1: kind of surrounded this World Cup in terms of the
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Speaker 1: NFL was these fields and one thing that's become a
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Speaker 1: hot button topic for the last I don't know, four
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Speaker 1: or five years, and specifically like the forty nine ers
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Speaker 1: were big on this because they always had guys get
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Speaker 1: injured on turf fields. Specifically, they've had a lot of
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Speaker 1: big injuries in MetLife. And George Kittle, who attended the
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Speaker 1: championship game today, tweeted, the grass still looks great. Let's
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Speaker 1: use grass instead of turf at NFL, please question marks,
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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, And he's been the most outspoken of all
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Speaker 1: of the guys in the league. And there's been a
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Speaker 1: lot of outspoken guys in the league, and they're adamant
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Speaker 1: these players that they want grass fields. And clearly a
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Speaker 1: lot of teams use grass fields and a lot of
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Speaker 1: teams use turf. Well. I did some digging today, I
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Speaker 1: texted around, I talked to a guy, a prominent media member,
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Speaker 1: and I asked him, like, because he just he covers
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Speaker 1: a bunch of sports, he knows a bunch of owners.
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Speaker 1: I said, question for you, what's the deal here? Like
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Speaker 1: what do owners say to you when you ask? And
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Speaker 1: he said, well, I asked an owner within the last
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Speaker 1: probably four or five years ago, and the grass. Instead
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Speaker 1: of having they could have turf, they chose to have grass,
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Speaker 1: and it cost them. And this was four or five
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Speaker 1: years ago, so with inflation you probably could double this number.
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Speaker 1: It was a couple million dollars a year to take
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Speaker 1: it on and off for the other events that all
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Speaker 1: these stadiums host, right whether it's concerts, WrestleMania's final fource,
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Speaker 1: you name it. And that was two million dollars. And
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Speaker 1: he guestimated that at some places the number could be
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Speaker 1: as high as five. And David Tepper three or four
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Speaker 1: years ago took the grass out and installed turf. And
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Speaker 1: the guy that I was talking the owner that my
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Speaker 1: buddy was talking about, is not nearly worth as much
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Speaker 1: as David Tepper. We talked about this last week. I
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Speaker 1: googled that he's he's worth well over twenty billion dollars
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Speaker 1: and installed the turf because it was much more versatile
14:48
Speaker 1: for other events, for soccer team, for events Cosway less.
14:52
Speaker 1: Now I've said this for a long time that, like,
14:56
Speaker 1: I have no problem with NBA teams. You see this
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Speaker 1: lot on social media. You're like, you're just trying to
15:03
Speaker 1: save money so you don't have to pay the taxes. Well, yeah,
15:07
Speaker 1: I would trade that guy too. If I had to
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Speaker 1: pay the league two hundred and fifty million dollars in
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Speaker 1: luxury tax, no human alive would pay the league that
15:17
Speaker 1: then sends that money to other teams who are literally
15:19
Speaker 1: not trying to win two hundred and fifty million dollars
15:22
Speaker 1: for Lou fucking Dort. So yeah, if you traded Michael
15:26
Speaker 1: Jordan to save some money for luxury tax, I got
15:29
Speaker 1: no problem being critical. But if you're getting rid of
15:31
Speaker 1: Lou Dort to save two hundred and twenty five million dollars,
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Speaker 1: which I think is the number that I saw that
15:35
Speaker 1: Okac saved the day with a trade, anyone being critical
15:39
Speaker 1: of that. You and I just probably don't relate in
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Speaker 1: the real world. Like I don't have anything in common
15:44
Speaker 1: with you. I really don't. If you can't take a
15:46
Speaker 1: step back and be objective and be like, yeah, I
15:49
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that either if I own the team, nobody would.
15:52
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, if it's costing you, let's go
15:54
Speaker 1: the high end five million dollars a year. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: cost the team to have grass instead of turf, and
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Speaker 1: it's clearly better on the player's body, which is well
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Speaker 1: studied at this point. I have a hard time seeing
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Speaker 1: that argument now thirty forty years ago, when five million
16:14
Speaker 1: dollars would have been a lot to an NFL team, Okay,
16:18
Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty six, when you're getting four hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars just from the media deal and
16:24
Speaker 1: then all the other ancillary events that you have coming
16:28
Speaker 1: through your stadium throughout the year, I would imagine two
16:32
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift concerts would pay for that. I feel pretty confident,
16:35
Speaker 1: especially looking back in the numbers I was told when
16:37
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift came to Philadelphia fifteen plus years ago when
16:41
Speaker 1: I worked for him. So this argument to me kind
16:46
Speaker 1: of dies flat, Like I'm on the player side on
16:49
Speaker 1: this one, and I think these owners, if you told
16:53
Speaker 1: me the number was fifty million dollars, then so yeah,
16:56
Speaker 1: let's collectively bargain. Let's split the cost or something. But
16:59
Speaker 1: if you're telling me that it's three four five million dollars,
17:02
Speaker 1: that's a line item. That's a number that no one
17:06
Speaker 1: would even notice on their books in modern day NFL.
17:10
Speaker 1: So these players that are up in arms, there are
17:12
Speaker 1: some things that I didn't understand, Like they were adamant
17:16
Speaker 1: about no double days, Like looking back, that was really stupid.
17:20
Speaker 1: A huge part of football is callousing your body to
17:23
Speaker 1: get ready for the season, and I think that has
17:25
Speaker 1: directly led to more injuries in the sport. I don't
17:29
Speaker 1: even think that's debatable. The practice under the CBA, which
17:34
Speaker 1: the players fought for and the owners gladly gave them
17:36
Speaker 1: so they could keep more money, has directly impacted their
17:41
Speaker 1: longevity in their careers at a lot of different positions
17:44
Speaker 1: for a lot of different individuals because they're not allowed
17:47
Speaker 1: to practice anymore, and that's just the rules based on
17:51
Speaker 1: the collectively bargained agreement, and I think that has impacted
17:56
Speaker 1: the product on the field. I don't think anyone would
17:59
Speaker 1: would argue that, and I think that was the players
18:02
Speaker 1: felt like it was a big win and they've stuck
18:04
Speaker 1: with that, and I think that's directly hurt a lot
18:07
Speaker 1: of guys. But on this one, I just really really
18:11
Speaker 1: have a hard time. And there's a lot of arguments
18:12
Speaker 1: that the owners are going to try to collectively bargain
18:16
Speaker 1: this in the next agreement and like use this as
18:18
Speaker 1: a chip to get eighteen games. What are we talking about.
18:22
Speaker 1: I've negotiated my own contracts now with the volume for
18:28
Speaker 1: I don't know how many contracts through four, and there
18:30
Speaker 1: are some things like it shouldn't be that complicated. There's
18:33
Speaker 1: always a give and take in any contract. You negotiate
18:37
Speaker 1: for ownership, for equity, for revenue, for whatever. Like a
18:42
Speaker 1: wise man told me a long time ago that when
18:45
Speaker 1: you are in business with anybody, whether you own the company,
18:48
Speaker 1: whether you're working for somebody, you know, whether you split revenue,
18:52
Speaker 1: however it works, you want both sides to win. You
18:55
Speaker 1: want both sides to be invested. If one side gets
18:58
Speaker 1: too greedy, that's when you get problems. That's when you
19:02
Speaker 1: start they stop wanting to do business with you. Right,
19:06
Speaker 1: So you want them to make money as well as
19:08
Speaker 1: you to make money. You don't want it to be
19:10
Speaker 1: a ninety ten thing, right, That's just not the way
19:13
Speaker 1: it goes. Unless you're so powerful like a costco, which Historically,
19:17
Speaker 1: if you want to get into costco, they will tell
19:20
Speaker 1: you to jump, and you better say how fucking high
19:22
Speaker 1: because they know that the moment you get in there,
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19:28
Speaker 1: And when that's the case, like you don't have that
19:31
Speaker 1: much leverage. But that's not most business deals, right And
19:35
Speaker 1: in this clearly you can't have the NFL without the players.
19:39
Speaker 1: And I also don't understand that for such a nominal
19:46
Speaker 1: number relative to the revenue and the money the league
19:51
Speaker 1: is making, being so caught up with we can't do
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20:03
Speaker 1: number one assets and the people you are paying two
20:07
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three hundred million dollars worth of players
20:11
Speaker 1: a year that clearly have a negative impact playing on
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20:21
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20:26
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20:33
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20:34
Speaker 1: the playoffs every year. This would be numbers if Woody
20:38
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Speaker 1: You could use a lot of different organizations would never notice.
20:45
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20:50
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20:55
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Speaker 1: Get on the internet and you'll see a lot of
21:00
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21:06
Speaker 1: But people that truly believe that all these people suck,
21:09
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21:13
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21:16
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Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. Remember several years ago there
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23:23
Speaker 1: got suspended. They had been betting from the facility, like
23:29
Speaker 1: through betting apps on college football games, on just NBA,
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Speaker 1: they've kind of amended some of the rules, like you're
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Speaker 1: allowed to bet on the NBA, the World Cup or whatever.
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Speaker 1: You just can't do it if you're a player for
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Speaker 1: whatever team from the facility. Do it from your house,
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Speaker 1: do it from wherever. Right where I live in Arizona,
23:48
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Speaker 1: the street from my house. I got a sports book
23:54
Speaker 1: right down the street from my house. I can place
23:56
Speaker 1: any bet I want on my phone. Not every state
23:58
Speaker 1: is that way, but more and more of that. This
24:01
Speaker 1: guy Ryan Gold, who was the director of college scouting,
24:06
Speaker 1: which is a pretty prominent role in a front office.
24:09
Speaker 1: I would say it would be the equivalent to kind
24:14
Speaker 1: of like a coordinator like it's it's a big gig.
24:18
Speaker 1: You are potentially one job away, maybe two from being
24:22
Speaker 1: a general manager, like you are right there. It might
24:25
Speaker 1: be like a more like a run game coordinator than
24:28
Speaker 1: purely the offensive coordinator. But it's it's a big time
24:32
Speaker 1: front office job, right. A coordinator probably would be like
24:35
Speaker 1: the assistant GM would be like the O, C and DC,
24:38
Speaker 1: but this would be maybe a special names coordinator, maybe
24:42
Speaker 1: you know, the pass game coordinator. Like it's a prominent role.
24:47
Speaker 1: He was just suspended indefinitely aka kicked out of the
24:51
Speaker 1: league for gambling. Now the details on this, There were
24:54
Speaker 1: some stories going around. One story that I think has
24:57
Speaker 1: been debunked. I don't even think this would be possible
25:00
Speaker 1: to place this bet. Was he placed like a fifty
25:02
Speaker 1: dollars bet on the Cardinal's first five draft picks and
25:06
Speaker 1: won seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which I wanted
25:09
Speaker 1: that to be true. I don't think it's true. If
25:11
Speaker 1: it is true, that is sick, which I'd even say
25:14
Speaker 1: like that shouldn't be a fireable offense because even if
25:18
Speaker 1: you know who your team likes, all that stuff's out
25:20
Speaker 1: of your control after the third overall pick. But I
25:24
Speaker 1: not true. Great tweet. I wanted to believe it. I
25:28
Speaker 1: think it's been debunked. But his lawyer came out today
25:32
Speaker 1: after he's been and definitely suspended. He is not on
25:35
Speaker 1: the Cardinals bio anymore, and he's just he's just gone.
25:39
Speaker 1: The way I look at it, this indefinite suspension is
25:42
Speaker 1: like he got kicked out of the league. This is
25:45
Speaker 1: one of those things that if this is true, he's
25:48
Speaker 1: not getting higher right, his career's over, and this is
25:51
Speaker 1: not one of those jobs. Even if you're a very
25:54
Speaker 1: impressive guy, it's not an easy transition to another fields.
25:58
Speaker 1: He's like, what have you been doing the last thirteen
25:59
Speaker 1: years evaluating guards? I've been banging the bushes, you know.
26:05
Speaker 1: Even though it does bring a lot of skills that
26:07
Speaker 1: would translate, he'd probably be fine. And by all accounts,
26:11
Speaker 1: I've never met the guy. Honestly, I'd never heard of
26:13
Speaker 1: the guy. I started texting around to a couple of people.
26:15
Speaker 1: I heard glowing reports like people really like this guy
26:19
Speaker 1: by all accounts, super high character, very impressive. The people
26:23
Speaker 1: I talked to in the league that knew him were stunned,
26:26
Speaker 1: like this to them was stunning. I was actually in
26:28
Speaker 1: the infrared sauna on Saturday, sitting down. This guy comes
26:33
Speaker 1: in with his buddy listener of the show, and we
26:38
Speaker 1: start talking to Arizona guys. They knew him personally, and
26:41
Speaker 1: they were both like, great guy because we were just
26:45
Speaker 1: started bsing about football, and this guy who knew him personally,
26:49
Speaker 1: was like stunned. He's like, I can't believe this. And
26:54
Speaker 1: one big picture take on the gambling stuff. I've been
27:00
Speaker 1: gambling well before this stuff became legal, Like I've met
27:02
Speaker 1: bookies in Costco parking lots. I also grew up in
27:07
Speaker 1: a world where if you wanted to buy weed, you
27:09
Speaker 1: went to the back of the McDonald's in South Davis.
27:13
Speaker 1: I'm not a big weed guy, but yeah, I've dabbled
27:16
Speaker 1: over the years. Last time I bought it when I
27:19
Speaker 1: lived in the Bay Area, it was delivered to my house.
27:21
Speaker 1: I pay with a credit card and I got Marriott
27:23
Speaker 1: points with the purchase. So things have changed dramatically. Historically,
27:27
Speaker 1: gambling up until recently, outside of Vegas and Atlantic City
27:31
Speaker 1: and some river boats in the South, you know, was
27:34
Speaker 1: viewed much more as a shady operation. Those days are
27:37
Speaker 1: long gone. This is above board. They are in bed
27:41
Speaker 1: with the leagues, and they are in bed with the government.
27:45
Speaker 1: If something shady goes down with my bookie fifteen twenty
27:49
Speaker 1: years ago, he wasn't gonna say shit. Nowadays they're looking
27:53
Speaker 1: to nail you. So all the NBA guys that got busted,
27:57
Speaker 1: they're getting turned in by the companies because they want
28:01
Speaker 1: to operate above board. So anyone in the league, and
28:06
Speaker 1: at this point there is no excuse to be involved
28:09
Speaker 1: because if it can be traced back to you, you
28:13
Speaker 1: are in just in this world of you could get
28:17
Speaker 1: turned in by them now. I would also I want
28:21
Speaker 1: to defend the scouting community because I do think there's
28:25
Speaker 1: a lot of resentment in it that they are underpaid
28:29
Speaker 1: now relative to most of society. They probably make more money, right,
28:35
Speaker 1: whatever the average income is in that city, the director
28:39
Speaker 1: of college scouting would make way more. But let's use
28:43
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals for example. They are historically cheap organization.
28:48
Speaker 1: They pay less than basically every other team in the league.
28:53
Speaker 1: My guess, if I just had to guess he'd been
28:54
Speaker 1: there thirteen years this role, Let's just pick a number,
28:58
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Let's say he lives
29:01
Speaker 1: in Gilbert Chandler Arizona. He probably makes more money than
29:05
Speaker 1: a lot of his neighbors. So in the real world
29:09
Speaker 1: he's doing well. On paper, it looks good. Yet in
29:13
Speaker 1: his own building he's looking around. He's got wide receiver
29:16
Speaker 1: coaches on the Cardinals who are probably making double him.
29:19
Speaker 1: And if you're an ambitious person, there is a natural resentment.
29:23
Speaker 1: When you start looking around and you know other people's salaries,
29:26
Speaker 1: you go, I'm kind of getting screwed, and this is
29:29
Speaker 1: not one. It's like, well, bro, you've worked for a
29:31
Speaker 1: fucking deli. What do you think he works for? Even
29:34
Speaker 1: a cheap organization. If the Cardinals went on sale, they
29:37
Speaker 1: might not go for what Seattle went for, but they
29:39
Speaker 1: would go for billions upon billions of dollars. So he's going,
29:42
Speaker 1: I'm working for this billion dollar organization in this multi
29:45
Speaker 1: billion dollar industry. I have a very prominent job, and
29:50
Speaker 1: I don't make much money relative to my peers, where
29:53
Speaker 1: most people around the league at his point in time,
29:55
Speaker 1: in terms of tenure in the league, are probably making double.
30:00
Speaker 1: Don't care who you are. Money's all relative, whether that
30:02
Speaker 1: number fifty grand, other people are making one hundred grand,
30:03
Speaker 1: whether it's one hundred and people making two hundred grand.
30:06
Speaker 1: You start becoming, you get some resentment and for a
30:09
Speaker 1: lot of us. Right in my world, the better I do,
30:13
Speaker 1: the more sales we do, the more advertiser we do,
30:16
Speaker 1: the more people that listen, the more money we all make.
30:19
Speaker 1: That's not the case in the NFL. As a scout,
30:22
Speaker 1: the only way you get bonuses if you make the playoffs.
30:25
Speaker 1: You're working one hundred hour weeks. You're working year round,
30:29
Speaker 1: and no matter what happens, whether you win or lose
30:31
Speaker 1: on a week, or whether you specifically in his role, Hey,
30:35
Speaker 1: I pushed these two players, and this guy became a
30:37
Speaker 1: pro bowler and this other seventh rounder made our team.
30:41
Speaker 1: It's no different than if every guy that you promoted
30:44
Speaker 1: got cut before week one. You get paid the same. So,
30:49
Speaker 1: in this weird way, there's not that much incentive to
30:53
Speaker 1: like you don't make any more money. There's not a
30:56
Speaker 1: bonus structure. Now, depending on the team, you're paid handsomely
30:59
Speaker 1: the cardinal. That's not the case. I could understand being bitter.
31:04
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in the scouting community
31:06
Speaker 1: get bitter. They feel like they're underpaid, especially relative to
31:10
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches. They see these assistant coaches who
31:12
Speaker 1: they go, This guy's a fucking idiot. He's not even
31:15
Speaker 1: any good at his job, and he's making three x
31:17
Speaker 1: what I'm making. How's that even possible? So I could
31:21
Speaker 1: comprehend how you could make a stupid decision. Now, stupid
31:26
Speaker 1: decisions they have consequences, right, and consequences depending on what
31:30
Speaker 1: your decisions made. Look at Matt Miller, right, Matt Miller
31:34
Speaker 1: sure looks like he's running some scams, charity scams like
31:37
Speaker 1: whether you've got two arms or one that typically leads
31:41
Speaker 1: to prison, you know, and this is type Listen, you
31:46
Speaker 1: want to make some bets because you got some inside information,
31:49
Speaker 1: you know the rules, even if you're bitter, even if
31:51
Speaker 1: you've got some I'm psychoanalyzing here, don't know them. I'm
31:54
Speaker 1: just guessing because I can't comprehend why a guy who
31:59
Speaker 1: at this point this isn't five years ago where the
32:01
Speaker 1: rules are kind of murky, it's pretty well established, would
32:04
Speaker 1: even put himself in a position where you were doing this.
32:08
Speaker 1: It's not some harmless like hey, he played in some
32:10
Speaker 1: march madness pool. Remember when guys would get in trouble
32:13
Speaker 1: for that. It's like, what are we doing? Right? Or
32:16
Speaker 1: I played in some master's pool. If you're actually betting
32:20
Speaker 1: on NFL games and you work in the league as
32:23
Speaker 1: an executive, like you're making a the the what's it.
32:32
Speaker 1: The risk isn't worth the reward there, It's just not
32:35
Speaker 1: because whether you'd be like, well, I'm not betting that
32:38
Speaker 1: much money, well, then what's the point? And if you
32:40
Speaker 1: are getting super aggressive to make a lot of money,
32:43
Speaker 1: they might red flag you, look up your name, put
32:45
Speaker 1: you into a query, and send it up the chain.
32:48
Speaker 1: So we'll see how this thing plays out. Clearly doesn't
32:53
Speaker 1: look good. I'm sure more details will slowly leak out.
32:56
Speaker 1: That's typically the way it comes. But I think there
32:59
Speaker 1: are just a lot of disgruntled scouts in the sense
33:03
Speaker 1: that I have zero sympathy for coaches right that they
33:07
Speaker 1: are paid absorbing in amounts of money. And for every
33:12
Speaker 1: coordinator who's awesome, like a Brian Flores who's making three
33:16
Speaker 1: or four million, I think the Flores makes like six
33:17
Speaker 1: or Josh McDaniels oc making six. There are a lot
33:20
Speaker 1: of guys making two or three that fuck couldn't coach
33:24
Speaker 1: themselves out of a wet paper bag. And not that
33:28
Speaker 1: there's not some scouts in the league who aren't frauds
33:31
Speaker 1: or scam artists or whatever, but they don't get paid
33:34
Speaker 1: nearly as much and the like. I have a lot
33:37
Speaker 1: of friends that work in a lot of different industries.
33:40
Speaker 1: It's it's not close to the workload. It's just not
33:43
Speaker 1: And I'm not acting like, you know, these guys are
33:46
Speaker 1: doing the hardest physical job. It's a white collar job,
33:51
Speaker 1: but relative to the travel, the hours, it's pretty abnormal.
33:57
Speaker 1: It really is. For a guy that you know, it's
33:59
Speaker 1: not like he owns the company. He's got no equity,
34:00
Speaker 1: he's got no he's got no juice in the game.
34:03
Speaker 1: But I could understand how people I understand how people
34:09
Speaker 1: are bitter and resentful. I can't comprehend risking your entire career,
34:15
Speaker 1: you know, on a three gamer, and I love a
34:18
Speaker 1: good three game parlay as much as the next guy.
34:21
Speaker 1: What else, Well, camps are about to start. We'll dive
34:23
Speaker 1: into some pressure rankings as the week goes on. I
34:27
Speaker 1: know Seattle the forty nine ers, so I would imagine
34:31
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the Rams, all these teams that are playing
34:34
Speaker 1: early in that first week on the Wednesday and Thursday,
34:38
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the teams over the course
34:40
Speaker 1: the next three or four days, all their rookies will report.
34:42
Speaker 1: I will say this the number one because usually there's
34:46
Speaker 1: like a three or four day period where the rookies
34:48
Speaker 1: are there kind of doing more of a serious another
34:52
Speaker 1: onboarding process. Get out on the field on their own.
34:56
Speaker 1: Two things that are most important because until pads come on,
34:59
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can prove you better because
35:04
Speaker 1: the OTAs are pretty chill, and there can be a
35:06
Speaker 1: false sense of the urgency and the craziness that comes
35:10
Speaker 1: with training camp, of the intensity of like they will
35:14
Speaker 1: not put you on the field if you do not
35:16
Speaker 1: know what you're doing it, it just simply won't happen. Now,
35:21
Speaker 1: some guys deserve to get more shots because of their talent,
35:25
Speaker 1: but these coaches can be very, very stubborn, and most
35:29
Speaker 1: of their jobs are on the line every single year,
35:33
Speaker 1: and the way they feel, it's why so many guys
35:36
Speaker 1: stick with guys as the season goes on. It's like,
35:37
Speaker 1: why so and so out there because he knows what
35:40
Speaker 1: he's doing. So these players now have had OTAs in
35:44
Speaker 1: the entire summer to have a pretty good understanding of
35:47
Speaker 1: the playbook. Now you shouldn't have it mastered like some
35:50
Speaker 1: fifth year guy. But if you come into camp and
35:55
Speaker 1: do not know what's going on, it is extremely difficult
35:59
Speaker 1: to get on the field. And in twenty twenty six,
36:03
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day you could show up fat,
36:05
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes and build yourself into shape. Those days are over,
36:09
Speaker 1: so you've had forty to fifty days, depending on however
36:12
Speaker 1: long the offs you got to come in shape. So
36:15
Speaker 1: you better be in shape, and you better know what
36:18
Speaker 1: you're doing if you want to attempt to make the team,
36:20
Speaker 1: because the majority of young guys are not first or
36:23
Speaker 1: second round picks, and the only way to prove yourself
36:27
Speaker 1: just to get on the field. Before you can even
36:29
Speaker 1: go make a play, you gotta know what you're doing.
36:32
Speaker 1: So if you know what you're doing, then you can
36:34
Speaker 1: let it rip and try to make plays. And that's
36:36
Speaker 1: and then you get some momentum going into the preseason games.
36:39
Speaker 1: But it's harder and harder because there's one less preseason game,
36:42
Speaker 1: so there's just gonna be less snaps. Now you could
36:43
Speaker 1: argue maybe there's more snaps because none of the starters play,
36:47
Speaker 1: but I just think the easiest way to not make
36:50
Speaker 1: the team is to not understand the playbook. And these
36:54
Speaker 1: playbooks are really complicated, especially if you're playing for certain teams.
36:59
Speaker 1: I mean, anyone that had that Sean Payton article. But
37:02
Speaker 1: he's not alone. All these all these Shanahan guys all
37:04
Speaker 1: over the place. The offensive playbooks are crazy. Playing for
37:08
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37:12
Speaker 1: and you better know what you're doing, because you know,
37:15
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37:19
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37:21
Speaker 1: like they will just get rid of you. And all
37:24
Speaker 1: these guys the only thing they care about is trying
37:27
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37:30
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37:34
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37:37
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37:42
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37:45
Speaker 1: it's sick. I mean, read that Sean Payton article if
37:48
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37:51
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37:55
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Speaker 1: fuck around on the side. He loved fly fishing, loved
40:03
Speaker 1: Guy Duck hunted up until he was like late eighties,
40:06
Speaker 1: early nineties before his eyes went. He loved the outdoors
40:11
Speaker 1: and he used to take my dad. I got to
40:15
Speaker 1: go when I was twelve years old. I flew out
40:17
Speaker 1: by myself, actually, and because my dad wouldn't let me.
40:22
Speaker 1: It was like sixth grade. It's like, what are they
40:24
Speaker 1: even teaching me about? Like cowboys and Indians. I can't
40:26
Speaker 1: just go with you, but I had to go, like
40:28
Speaker 1: I got to go for like I can't even remember,
40:30
Speaker 1: seven days, ten days, flew out by myself. It was
40:34
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. So New Zealander one, This guy Ryan Fox's
40:40
Speaker 1: dad was like a famous rugby player for the key
40:44
Speaker 1: for the All Blacks. Pretty legend, I mean major legend
40:47
Speaker 1: over there. This guy picked up golf of like seventeen
40:49
Speaker 1: eighteen years old because he played rugby's whole life and
40:52
Speaker 1: didn't even make the PGA Tour until he was like
40:54
Speaker 1: thirty six years old, thirty nine, So it's just an
40:57
Speaker 1: incredible story. Walk off Birdie Putt. But the story of
41:01
Speaker 1: the weekend was Bryson D. Schambeau, who goes viral on
41:05
Speaker 1: Friday for getting pop two shots after he finished his plan,
41:09
Speaker 1: goes back to the scene of the crime. He's screaming,
41:12
Speaker 1: he's animated. And I've seen a lot of people in
41:15
Speaker 1: the media, other players that call him performative, and I've
41:24
Speaker 1: always had the stance I love authenticity. It's like I
41:29
Speaker 1: appreciate like Tiger Woods in the peak of his powers,
41:31
Speaker 1: didn't pretend to be friends with anybody, right, didn't pretend
41:34
Speaker 1: to be friends, didn't have any friends. All he cared
41:37
Speaker 1: about was winning. He didn't no relationships, just him, his caddy,
41:42
Speaker 1: his family, maybe a couple older PGA Tour players. But
41:46
Speaker 1: he didn't become softer till till he was in his
41:49
Speaker 1: mid to late forties, in the peak of his powers.
41:52
Speaker 1: Hated everybody all he hated Phil. You just call him fat,
41:56
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. He was being very authentic to
41:59
Speaker 1: what he was. But Phil Mickelson, who if you want
42:03
Speaker 1: to google, is going through a lot of shit right now.
42:06
Speaker 1: People around the sport always called him a phony, always
42:09
Speaker 1: called him a big performer. You know what, you kind
42:12
Speaker 1: of need that, you know, in golf specifically, it's not football,
42:18
Speaker 1: it's not basketball. You need some guys to just, I
42:23
Speaker 1: don't know, be a show, be a little bit of
42:27
Speaker 1: a circus. When I grew up, Like I think about
42:30
Speaker 1: one thing the NBA has lost. They used to have
42:34
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy motherfuckers, and they weren't faking it
42:39
Speaker 1: like Rashid Wallace wasn't putting on an act. It's why
42:42
Speaker 1: Draymond really stands out right now. Draymond ain't putting an
42:46
Speaker 1: act like that's who he is. He's nuts. You know what, sports,
42:51
Speaker 1: the NFL has been full of nut jobs forever. That
42:55
Speaker 1: kind of works. This is all entertainment we're trying to
42:59
Speaker 1: watch and it creates crazy conversations, forces people to be
43:03
Speaker 1: more interested. Bryson D Chambeau is currently kind of a
43:08
Speaker 1: circus animal and he plays into it and people think, oh,
43:12
Speaker 1: he's just putting on a show. Yeah, he kind of is.
43:14
Speaker 1: That's kind of what he is. So was Phil, and
43:18
Speaker 1: beside Tiger, no one else, no other athlete in the
43:23
Speaker 1: two thousands made more money than Phil Michelson because of that.
43:27
Speaker 1: Is he a phony? Sure looks like it. You know what,
43:31
Speaker 1: when people were coming and watching golf at historic rates
43:34
Speaker 1: and Tiger needed somewhat of a foe kind of helped.
43:37
Speaker 1: Here's what I know. If it wasn't for Bryson D. Chambeau,
43:41
Speaker 1: a lot of casual sports fans wouldn't have paid attention.
43:45
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have paid attention, and that made him kind
43:48
Speaker 1: of peak on Saturday, what's going on here? So I
43:51
Speaker 1: have less of an issue with the performative stuff, especially
43:57
Speaker 1: in something where you need some of that. So, like,
44:01
Speaker 1: there are always gonna be some phonies, and as long
44:04
Speaker 1: as you're a phony that can play, especially in a
44:07
Speaker 1: situation in an individual sport trying to create a brand
44:10
Speaker 1: or whatever that's not for everybody. I couldn't do that. Like,
44:13
Speaker 1: I actually respect a lot of the guys that like
44:17
Speaker 1: don't have any social media that don't give a shit.
44:21
Speaker 1: All they care about is playing well. Xander Schoffley says
44:24
Speaker 1: all the time, like I don't have social media. I
44:26
Speaker 1: don't even check. He's not thinking he does, not like
44:29
Speaker 1: I don't think Scotti Scheffer is sitting there scrolling on
44:32
Speaker 1: the phone, right, some athletes are. It's kind of a
44:36
Speaker 1: problem in the NBA. I think they spend too much
44:39
Speaker 1: time scrolling. It's like, guys don't even worry about this,
44:43
Speaker 1: but some guys play into it. Kevin Durant, it's a
44:45
Speaker 1: huge part of his brand. He's he's accessible, and you
44:50
Speaker 1: could argue he's not really putting on a show. He's
44:52
Speaker 1: just being authentic to who he is. So you could
44:55
Speaker 1: argue Bryson D. Chambaud, here's the other thing. Bryson D.
44:59
Speaker 1: Schambaud a golf prodigy. If you're the equivalent as a
45:02
Speaker 1: quarterback as a football prodigy, you're the star athlete in
45:07
Speaker 1: high school, meaning you're probably dating a beautiful girl. You
45:11
Speaker 1: have a ton of friends throughout you know, the school,
45:16
Speaker 1: your team, like you kind of have a little tribe.
45:19
Speaker 1: People look up to you as kind of the head
45:21
Speaker 1: honcho of that group. Same thing with basketball. All these
45:26
Speaker 1: up and coming stars probably a big deal on their
45:29
Speaker 1: high school campus. And you have friends of teams you
45:33
Speaker 1: play with, AAU teams, your high school team, whatever. As
45:36
Speaker 1: a golfer, especially Bryson d. Chambeau, I would imagine you
45:40
Speaker 1: could count his friends from growing up on one hand,
45:43
Speaker 1: because to be good at golf you have to spend
45:47
Speaker 1: a lot of time by yourself. Young, all you do
45:51
Speaker 1: is practice. You're kind of a nerd. Golf honestly has
45:56
Speaker 1: gotten way cooler over the last five years than it
45:58
Speaker 1: ever was, even when Tiger Woods was this peak. Honestly,
46:01
Speaker 1: it's one of my biggest regrets. When I was young,
46:04
Speaker 1: Like I like, playing high school football, I sucked, you
46:07
Speaker 1: know why. My friends were on the team and in
46:10
Speaker 1: golf season, which I should have just tried at golf,
46:13
Speaker 1: not even played football, and just spent all my time
46:15
Speaker 1: playing golf. Not that I would have played in college
46:17
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I would have had a much better
46:19
Speaker 1: chance than ever did. But you know what football was.
46:21
Speaker 1: It was fun. I got to be with my friends
46:23
Speaker 1: every time I got on the field. It was incredible.
46:25
Speaker 1: There was something like you got to there was a
46:28
Speaker 1: bonding element to the sport, right even though I was
46:33
Speaker 1: going nowhere past high school. I could barely get on
46:35
Speaker 1: the field in high school, and then when golf season came,
46:39
Speaker 1: all my friends went to the baseball so I played.
46:42
Speaker 1: Not that I didn't have friends on the golf team,
46:44
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't quite the same. And I can't
46:47
Speaker 1: imagine Bryson D. Chambeau, who was clearly headed for big
46:51
Speaker 1: things by the time he was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old.
46:55
Speaker 1: Most of his time was spent by himself. He probably
46:59
Speaker 1: wasn't going on in high school. You know why. He
47:02
Speaker 1: was at the driving range, he was on the putting green,
47:04
Speaker 1: he was playing tournaments all throughout the West Coast. So, yeah,
47:09
Speaker 1: is this guy a little bit performative? I'm sure because
47:11
Speaker 1: for the first time once he went to YouTube, which
47:14
Speaker 1: is literally performing right, Like, think about my podcast everything
47:19
Speaker 1: I say. I believe if you guys have listened to
47:22
Speaker 1: me long enough, you know I'm doing Steven A. Smith,
47:24
Speaker 1: not making things up, but like I'm getting animated like that.
47:28
Speaker 1: There's a performance element to this job. It just kind
47:32
Speaker 1: of comes with the territory. I'm probably not this animated
47:36
Speaker 1: just when I'm sitting on my couch talking to Jack
47:38
Speaker 1: and Maria, not that I can't get animated, but that
47:41
Speaker 1: comes with thee So Bryson shooting these YouTube videos, which
47:45
Speaker 1: has given a more popularity than he's ever had in
47:47
Speaker 1: his entire life, turns it into the performance art in
47:52
Speaker 1: which he's become since he kind of became famous as
47:55
Speaker 1: a golfer, I would say, in the last five years,
47:58
Speaker 1: and he's really leaned into that doesn't bother me as much,
48:02
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's only good for the sport now. I
48:05
Speaker 1: get it. If I was a PGA Tour player and
48:07
Speaker 1: some of these guys can't stand him, think he's a
48:08
Speaker 1: fucking loser, I get it. But all these people in
48:11
Speaker 1: the media, they're like, this is bullshit. Guys, if you
48:14
Speaker 1: cover golf for a living, you should want this sport
48:17
Speaker 1: to be as big as possible. I feel very fortunate
48:21
Speaker 1: right now. I'm forty one years old. I talk about
48:25
Speaker 1: football for a living. Football is literally never been bigger.
48:31
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand by this take. It is not gonna
48:34
Speaker 1: be like this forever. Hopefully for the next twenty five years.
48:38
Speaker 1: It keeps getting bigger and we can just ride off
48:40
Speaker 1: it in the sunset in my seventies, right and who knows.
48:43
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm still throwing fastballs, but just give me a
48:46
Speaker 1: couple more decades. But I do not take any of
48:48
Speaker 1: this for granted. It could end at any fucking moment.
48:52
Speaker 1: Football is not always just gonna be the biggest thing going.
48:55
Speaker 1: I'll promise you that when it ends. I don't know.
48:58
Speaker 1: We still got a pretty goodway it looks like. But
49:02
Speaker 1: I I know this. If football wasn't as big and
49:06
Speaker 1: this was what I did, I would do everything possible
49:09
Speaker 1: to try to make it bigger and get more people involved.
49:13
Speaker 1: Because the seat that I'm sitting in depends on it
49:16
Speaker 1: being as big as possible, for this business to grow
49:18
Speaker 1: as big as possible, our podcast to get as big
49:21
Speaker 1: as possible, and everyone associated with the show be as
49:24
Speaker 1: successful as possible. So I just can't wrap my head
49:28
Speaker 1: around some of these people that push back on it,
49:32
Speaker 1: like he's good for the eyeballs of the sport without
49:37
Speaker 1: stuff like this, like Tiger Woods is never coming around again.
49:40
Speaker 1: It's not happening. Let's say I got forty years left
49:44
Speaker 1: on this on this earth, I've never seen another Tiger Woods.
49:47
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident about that. We're lucky in football,
49:51
Speaker 1: Like Joe Montana happened, John Elway happened, Brett Favor happened,
49:54
Speaker 1: Tom Brady happened, Peyton Manning happened, then Patrick Mahomes happened,
49:58
Speaker 1: then Josh Allen happened. Like quarterbacks have been pretty consistent,
50:01
Speaker 1: but in golf, like there ain't never been anything quite
50:04
Speaker 1: like that. Pretty confident, there ain't never been anything like
50:06
Speaker 1: that again, And I'm definitely not saying Bryson is that,
50:10
Speaker 1: but Bryson brings an element that Scottis Scheffler is just
50:13
Speaker 1: never gonna bring. Scottis Schaffer ain't gonna be doing YouTube
50:16
Speaker 1: videos on his own. I mean he's been in other
50:19
Speaker 1: people's but you know what I mean, Ry McElroy, same thing.
50:23
Speaker 1: And I don't fault them for that. If I was
50:26
Speaker 1: all these guys, I would live like Scottish Suffler. I
50:30
Speaker 1: would just be super rich. I would do everything possible
50:32
Speaker 1: to dominate on the course, and then I would just
50:34
Speaker 1: leave me the fuck alone. That's more my personality. But
50:39
Speaker 1: I also respect, like, yeah, he's just he's he's a
50:43
Speaker 1: caricature kind of works. Could we argue did should he
50:47
Speaker 1: got penalize? Should you not? I don't know. I don't
50:49
Speaker 1: even give a fuck it ultimately didn't impact anything. Do
50:53
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit like when he said
50:57
Speaker 1: on Friday night that he might quit not show up
50:59
Speaker 1: the next We've all gotten arguments with our significant others
51:03
Speaker 1: and said things. I regret what I just said, but
51:06
Speaker 1: in the moment, sometimes you stay stupid shit I'm leaving
51:09
Speaker 1: ten minutes later is like, I'm not leaving. I was joking.
51:13
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that takebacks. So I think sometimes we
51:17
Speaker 1: get so caught up with all this stuff, like Tom Brady,
51:22
Speaker 1: for example, the video that went viral with him getting
51:25
Speaker 1: slapped or him slapping Jake Paul, Like I got so
51:31
Speaker 1: many texts like is this real? Is this not real?
51:34
Speaker 1: If you told me tom Brady was setting up a
51:37
Speaker 1: boxing match against Jake Paul, I would believe you, because,
51:40
Speaker 1: you know what, Tom Brady would probably make two hundred
51:43
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars to fight somebody, And for a
51:46
Speaker 1: guy that I'm sure wants to buy more and more
51:48
Speaker 1: of the NFL team kind of needs the money, you know,
51:53
Speaker 1: tom Brady, the circles he's running in, what he aspires
51:56
Speaker 1: to do, he needs a shitload of money to keep
52:02
Speaker 1: moving up at the levels he's moving up and is
52:06
Speaker 1: that something I could see Peyton Manning doing getting in
52:08
Speaker 1: the ring. No, you could also argue Peyton Manning's a
52:11
Speaker 1: little bit of a performer when he's on that's comes
52:13
Speaker 1: with a gig. Like I wasn't as like taken back
52:16
Speaker 1: by the slap. Tom's in this kind of world now
52:22
Speaker 1: he hangs out with Michael Rubin. I don't quite understand
52:25
Speaker 1: what Fanatics Fest is. Uh, clearly I'm not invited or
52:30
Speaker 1: ever gonna be invited. Not really my cup of tea,
52:33
Speaker 1: but it is for Tom, and Tom's in all this stuff,
52:37
Speaker 1: and Tom doesn't typically do things that don't come without
52:41
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So that slap if it leads
52:45
Speaker 1: to something else. If you're telling me Floyd and Connor
52:48
Speaker 1: can generate fights making hundreds of millions of dollars, you
52:51
Speaker 1: don't think Jake Paul and Tom Brady good. Didn't Tom
52:54
Speaker 1: Brady get paid like thirty or forty million dollars for
52:56
Speaker 1: his roast an hour roast on Netflix? What do you
52:58
Speaker 1: think a boxing match would do? Didn't Jake Paul to
53:01
Speaker 1: fight Mike Tyson. These guys get like one hundred million
53:03
Speaker 1: dollars on Netflix? What do you think Tom Brady would
53:06
Speaker 1: get for I'm not disputing the poll's name, power, name, image,
53:12
Speaker 1: and likeness. It's clearly bigger than most of you listening
53:15
Speaker 1: probably are you serious, Like, yeah, I promise you it is.
53:18
Speaker 1: Tom's is bigger. So if you told me Tom got
53:21
Speaker 1: in a ring for one of these celebrity boxing matches
53:23
Speaker 1: for Jake Paul's promotion company that he's involved in, it
53:29
Speaker 1: would probably do some numbies and it would probably come
53:32
Speaker 1: with a massive paycheck. A massive paycheck. Think Floyd Mayweather
53:37
Speaker 1: in his Hey when he was like doing a fight
53:39
Speaker 1: making two hundred and fifty three hund million dollars. Somehow
53:41
Speaker 1: people are saying he's broke. I don't even know how
53:43
Speaker 1: that's like humanly possible. It's like, wait, you've made a
53:46
Speaker 1: billion dollars. It's like, well, he's got a lot of expenses.
53:50
Speaker 1: I understand, blowing through like the stupidest content going. It's
53:54
Speaker 1: like the athletes, they're like, you know, a hundred million
53:58
Speaker 1: dollars contract, Like, guys, we all pay, like, we get it.
54:02
Speaker 1: We understand, like it gets cut in half. We get it. Well,
54:06
Speaker 1: if you cut upon one hundred million, it's still fifty million.
54:09
Speaker 1: I do understand. Like if I gave you or someone
54:13
Speaker 1: else fifty million and say blow it. We could all
54:16
Speaker 1: blow it, right, just make it, just do it. Yeah.
54:19
Speaker 1: I could do some stupid shit, so could anyone could.
54:22
Speaker 1: Most of us would not, especially the older we got.
54:25
Speaker 1: It'd be pretty hard to blow a billion dollars. I
54:28
Speaker 1: mean you'd have to. I don't even know how you'd
54:30
Speaker 1: approach it, even if you were addicted to gambling. I'd
54:33
Speaker 1: take a lot of bets. I guess he lives in Vegas.
54:35
Speaker 1: But a couple other things. The Scataboo thing he went
54:44
Speaker 1: viral for doing the backflip. He's coming off a knee injury.
54:48
Speaker 1: It looked like he blew out his knee right when
54:51
Speaker 1: he landed, and that's kind of been his thing since
54:54
Speaker 1: like college, doing the flip. When he hit the ground,
54:57
Speaker 1: my first thought was he just ripped his acl and
55:00
Speaker 1: then he kind of come to shook it off. Even
55:03
Speaker 1: when he walked off, I was like, holy moley, uh,
55:10
Speaker 1: I'm sure John's gonna light his ass up. But that's
55:13
Speaker 1: you know you're in business with Skataboo again. This is
55:15
Speaker 1: like Scattaboy is a crazy man. Like if you're watching,
55:18
Speaker 1: I never understand this, Like I saw a lot of
55:22
Speaker 1: this online media does this a lot, Like how could
55:25
Speaker 1: you stomach watching a guy like Connor all the stuff
55:28
Speaker 1: he's got in this past? Like, Guys, if you're turning
55:31
Speaker 1: on a UFC fight and you're like trying to take
55:35
Speaker 1: the moral high ground, you just don't ever turn it on.
55:38
Speaker 1: Like if you're watching these UFC fighters and thinking they're
55:42
Speaker 1: gonna be like buttoned up outside of the octagon, all
55:45
Speaker 1: of them, Like, I don't know what world you're living in.
55:49
Speaker 1: No different with the NFL, like a lot of guys,
55:54
Speaker 1: not a lot, but clearly, year after year, guys get
55:57
Speaker 1: in the situations that most human beings do not find
56:00
Speaker 1: themselves in. Right. I would imagine the domestic violence and
56:04
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff relative to like if we
56:07
Speaker 1: just did the insurance industry or the restaurant industry or
56:10
Speaker 1: whatever leans a little higher in football per capita. Right,
56:16
Speaker 1: So it's like, how could you watch the NFL with
56:18
Speaker 1: some of the stuff these guys are doing. It's like
56:20
Speaker 1: if you're coming for the uh for a moral stance
56:25
Speaker 1: in watching a sport which is literally paying people to
56:28
Speaker 1: be like modern day gladiators. A lot of these positions
56:32
Speaker 1: are paid to physical violence, like create physical violence on
56:39
Speaker 1: another person. You're not trying to necessarily injure them, but
56:41
Speaker 1: you're trying to inflict pain. Like you gotta be a
56:46
Speaker 1: little crazy. Not everyone is just like yeah, buttoned up,
56:49
Speaker 1: got it together, like everything's that's not a lot of
56:52
Speaker 1: these human beings. I'm not defending these people's actions outside
56:55
Speaker 1: of the octagon or outside of the facility, but like,
56:59
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you think think we're watching? You
57:01
Speaker 1: know this? This isn't like a chess competition. This is
57:05
Speaker 1: a violent, violent, violent sport where to strap it up
57:10
Speaker 1: on a Saturday or a Sunday to get in that octagon.
57:14
Speaker 1: I want half my team to be fucking batshit crazy.
57:18
Speaker 1: And if the balance of having some normal guys head
57:22
Speaker 1: on their shoulder and some batshit crazy guys is typically
57:25
Speaker 1: how you win. Is typically great fighters come from they're
57:30
Speaker 1: not usually like always like I want this guy's my accountant, No,
57:33
Speaker 1: I want my defensive end to like have a couple
57:35
Speaker 1: of screws loose. And sometimes when you get back into
57:38
Speaker 1: normal civilization, it's it can create problems. But and I'm
57:44
Speaker 1: not saying Skatabooze ever gotten any trouble, but he's got
57:49
Speaker 1: a few screw looses. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll
57:51
Speaker 1: have a big, a big week talking football. But hopefully
57:54
Speaker 1: everyone's doing well and good to get back on the uh,
57:58
Speaker 1: get back on the horse. Here to talk a little
58:03
Speaker 1: the volume