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He Makes Medicine. But Turned To This For His Nightly Panic Attacks - Project UNWD Ep 58 · Project UNWD (Real People. Real Stories.)

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Welcome back to Project Unwind. My name
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is James. I'm your host. Today we have a
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super cool guest, Allan. For the
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audience who don't know who you are, can
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you give us a bit of a background on
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what you do and what makes Allen Allen?
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>> Well, uh, nice to meet everybody. So, I
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am actually a quality director for a
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pharmaceutical manufacturer.
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So, spent a lot of time dealing with,
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you know, making making a lot of drugs.
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So, I guess you can say I'm a legal drug
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dealer,
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>> but yeah,
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that's what I do. I've got a got a, you
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know, wife and one daughter. Great
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family. Uh, lot going on. Love fish,
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hunt, golf. I get out there and do all
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the normal things that that guys like to
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do.
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>> Have you ever gone elk hunting?
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>> No. No, I haven't. But my former boss
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about three times a year he would take
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about a week vacation and go to the
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northern states and and do a lot of elk
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hunting. He absolutely loved it. But
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apparently it's really difficult to get
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licensing and uh to get a permit to be
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able to do that. So he he was lucky to
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be able to do a lot of it.
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>> Yeah, that's been on my list. I've moved
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to Colorado this year and I've never
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gone hunting, but I'm an Eagle Scout, so
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I love all that outdoorsy stuff, so I've
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>> wanted I know elk is pretty difficult,
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so I want to work my way up, but I want
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to eventually get there one point.
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>> Yeah. No, that the biggest I've ever
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gone is deer. Uh
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>> yeah,
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>> never had the the chance to go hunt
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something as impressive as an elk,
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though. But yeah, it's uh the boy scout
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or the the scouting would would come in
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come in handy because from what I
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understand, you get out and there's a
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lot of just staking and camping and
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waiting outside in the outdoors. So,
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>> I'm sure that would come in handy.
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>> What is a quantity director? Uh I'm
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Christian. A quality
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>> quality director. Yeah.
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>> So, yeah, basically I make sure that the
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drugs we make don't do what they're
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supposed to do and don't end up hurting
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people.
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>> Great. Well, that's super important,
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right?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Well, for everyone who hops on this
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podcast, they usually have like a mental
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health journey that got them to meeting
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us or seeing my face on all the
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Instagram and Facebook posts. So, where
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does your mental health journey kind of
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start?
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So,
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I I guess what got me looking for
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something was probably about six months
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ago. Um,
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>> I would uh and I don't know what caused
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the onset of this, but I I would lay
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down. I'd go to bed, lay down, and then
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I would suddenly I start start having
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these I I guess I would call them panic
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attacks, but it was just this immense
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feeling of dread that would hit me. And
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to I would get up, I would walk around
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there. There was nothing I could do to
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get get rid of it. And and I mean, it
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was it's hard to describe. I know people
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that have had panic attacks will know
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what I'm talking about. people that have
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it probably won't, but it it's just a
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immense feeling of dread that um does
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not go away.
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>> And I thought it was just kind of a
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one-time thing, but it got to the point
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where um and I think a lot of it was
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mindset, too, as I would be fine
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throughout the day, and as soon as I got
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horizontal in the bed, it it would hit
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and I would have this attack. So, it got
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to the point where I would just sit up
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in the living room and sit and watch TV
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to the point where I was just so
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exhausted that uh either I would just
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fall asleep in the in the chair or the
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couch or I'd make set to bed and I would
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finally be able to sleep. And obviously,
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that's going to have a lot of impact
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when you're sleeping three hours of
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night. and and you know with with the
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the stress and the the my job that I've
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got uh you know there's a lot of
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important things that I deal with and it
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was making a lot of that really
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difficult. It it got to the point where
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I would say I was almost narcoleptic
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during the day because of my lack of
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sleep. So, um, I reached out. I I tried
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to get in touch with a few, uh,
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psychiatrists and and the first thing,
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you know, a lot of them automatically
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assume that, you know, you've got people
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looking for benzo or things like that.
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And I was like, no, that that's not I
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just want something to be able to lay
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down that I don't just get that immense
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sense of terror that hits me. Um, and
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the far the they were out three to six
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months before I could make an
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appointment for a lot of them. And I
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finally ended up I went to Tennessee and
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and got one and they prescribed me
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flavoxamine.
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>> Um, so I started taking the flavoxamine.
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Um,
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I didn't really see any help from that.
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I saw a heck of a lot of side effects
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from it. Mhm.
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>> Um but I probably took that for about
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two months um and decided, you know,
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this this isn't working. So,
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>> um scrolling through and and I came
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across your product on Instagram
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um just, you know, the the typical ads
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that popped up. So, uh, looked into it
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and and
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I would consider myself knowing
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a considerable bit about
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medicine, pharmaceuticals, things like
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that. I know there's a lot of fly by
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night that that do a lot of claims that
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they have absolutely no business
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purporting to make the claims, but you
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know, I checked into your product and um
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yeah, I liked what I saw. So, ordered
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it. I was like, heck, I'm just going to
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give this a shot.
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So, few days later, the product came and
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I took it. And first day I took it, you
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know, I was expecting some sort of
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immediate
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uh I guess my body to tell me that I
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took something. But there was nothing
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there. I didn't feel any buzz,
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lightadedness, dizziness. I felt
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nothing. But when
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that night, you know, I did my normal
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routine. I sat up and I and I noticed I
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wasn't getting those pains of what I
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thought would be those nocturnal attacks
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that they were going to hit me.
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So, I went and laid down and, you know,
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there was a minor one, but it was it was
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very manageable. I didn't get that total
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sense of dread like, you know, there's
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no way out of this, no escape. I'm
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doomed kind of uh feeling. Um, after
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about day three or four, I would lay
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down and I would think, you know, am I
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going to have a panic attack? Am I going
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to have a panic attack? And and it
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wouldn't happen.
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And after about a week of taking uh your
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product, it it got to the point where I
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I can lay down now and I don't think I'm
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going to have a panic attack. And I know
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there there's a lot of I don't I don't
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believe in uh I guess coincidences that
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this happened, you know, a week after I
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started taking your product when I had
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taken actual medications that didn't
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work.
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And uh so yeah, I've been on your
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project about I think I'm on my third
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month now and I can lay down at night
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and and nothing. I I don't have racing
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thoughts, you know, that that go through
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a lot of people's heads when you lay
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down because at night time is when you
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think that's when all the bad things you
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think about, you know, is something
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going to happen to my family? Is my
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daughter safe at school? Things like
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that. And and I don't have those running
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persistent thoughts. Mhm.
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>> And u and I mentioned I did a review on
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your product on Google. I'd mentioned it
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got to the point that during the day I
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would go out to the truck and I would
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lay back and see to take a nap and they
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got to the point where they would start
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hitting me there during the day. Um, but
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now I haven't had a situation that has
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driven any sort of panic attack and and
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I've also noticed you know I I deal with
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a lot of clients and a lot of time not a
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lot of times but you know you will get
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clients that are not happy with you uh
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for something that you were supposed to
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deliver. I always dreaded those
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conversations
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and now I I really go into those and I'm
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a lot more killheaded even my or even
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headed and I I present myself I think a
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lot smoother and I don't have the the
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worry and the issues going into those
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conversations. So yeah, I took it for
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the panic attacks at night, the
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nocturnal attacks, but I'm seeing a lot
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of benefit overall just overall more
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level mood. um I don't get upset about
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things or I don't worry about things and
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I don't have those persistent, you know,
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thoughts that go through your head. So,
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yeah, long story short, I I I started
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taking your product. I've been on it
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three months and just I'm sleeping so
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much better. I'm better rested during
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the day, thinking better, more
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productive. Um and I'm pretty uh I'm not
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a real outgoing person, I guess. you
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know, this is not something I would have
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done ever uh when you invited me to do
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this, but um I find myself I I I'm, you
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know, a little more outgoing,
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not as introverted, I guess, is probably
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the best way to put it. So whether that
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is from your product, I don't know. But
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I I do know I for definite fact I can
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state that the nocturnal panic attacks
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uh going away is is attributed to the
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the unwind product.
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>> So a lot of talking there. Yeah.
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>> No, that's amazing. I wanted to kind of
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tug on like the symptoms when you say
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that you got that dread when you're
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trying to go into bed. Was it mostly
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inside the mind or did you also get like
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physical um like this this um chest
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squeezing the short of breath as well?
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Yeah,
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>> it was it was physical um man I I can't
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describe it but it was
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>> I actually went to the emergency room
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about the third or fourth one thinking I
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was having a heart attack. Uh and they
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checked me out and they were like no
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everything's fine. um gave me some
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proprenal, you know, to get the blood
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pressure down, but they said that that
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more likely was was panic attack. And of
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course, they gave me some uh I think
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highine or or some other medicine to
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take for that just short term until I
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could get uh a psychi psychiatrist to
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prescribe something long term. But yeah,
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dude, it was
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the whole body mind body experience. It
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it was God, it was horrible. Don't wish
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it on anybody.
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But I know there's people out there that
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probably have the the just from the
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regular panic attacks to the the
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nocturnal where it's, you know, every
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night when you lay down. So
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>> yeah, none none of that anymore. No
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physical symptoms, mental system
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symptoms,
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anything like that.
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The one thing about I guess it's just
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anything in general, whether it's a
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supplement, whether it's a med, it's
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just if two people have the exact same
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symptoms, it's totally normal for things
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to work for one person and not to work
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for another just because we're all
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different. with what after trying that
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one medication rather than going and
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trying to find another medication
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um what made you want to try the
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supplement route instead?
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>> I don't really like uh any of the SSRIs
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or um a a lot of those medications.
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there's a lot of uh issues that can
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cause with liver, kidneys. Um,
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>> and just
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to kind of add on to that, when I
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stopped taking the fluoxamine after only
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taking it for a few months, um, I had
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almost what was can to think maybe like
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serotonin syndrome. It was like I was
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having withdrawals from opiates or
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something. I was just sweating
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profusely. Um, wake up at night covered
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in sweat. uh during the day I could sit
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in a chair and get up and there would
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actually be a pool of sweat in the seat
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>> and that was from from taking the
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fluoxamine just the short time that I
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was and getting off of it.
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>> Um the when I went to the clinic to kind
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of get checked out to make sure it
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wasn't COVID or anything like that. They
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had um they were pretty sure that I was
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taking a uh narcotic and I was having
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withdrawals from that. But um no it was
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it was from taking the fluoxamine. So
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>> there are a lot of I think side effects
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with
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uh medication and coming from me that
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that's my life is making medication for
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people to take.
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>> Yeah. Um, yeah. And and I just I didn't
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want to I didn't want to deal with
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another one, getting another medicine
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prescribed that could have had more
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symptoms and more issues. And with
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>> um with the hemp your product,
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>> no side effects. I can stop taking it.
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Um whether the the panic attack has come
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back, I don't know if I would stop, but
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I'm just I'm just doing it as kind of a
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dose a daily dosing regimen
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>> uh right now. But yeah, that that's why
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I kind of went to your product as
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opposed to looking for more medications.
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I I didn't want to deal with the side
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effects.
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>> Yeah, I know. Definitely there's place
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in in the world for meds. And then like
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I know that SSRS has probably saved
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millions of life. Benzo has probably
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saved millions of life. But the my goal
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for this company is to be that middle
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step because right now the middle step
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with all the calming and anxiety
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supplements out there. For me
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personally, I just haven't had luck with
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them. So I wanted to create something
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that has worked for me. So I'm like I
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want
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>> if someone goes to the doctor office and
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says like, "Oh, I'm having difficulty
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sleeping at night. My mind is racing or
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I'm getting a bit of anxiety." I want
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the doctors to go like, "Hey, go to your
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local CVS and get grab a box of unwind."
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We're not at CVS yet, but hopefully
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maybe one day we'll be there, but I want
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to be that middle step.
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>> No. And that's Yeah. And I I totally get
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you. You don't want to give medical
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advice. And you're right. SSRIs and
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other medication have saved lots of
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lives. Yeah.
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>> Um but yeah, I would I would agree.
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definitely recommend if you kind of want
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to find a interim step to see if it
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works before you jump to um a a
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medication you have to take on a daily
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dosing regimen. I would totally
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recommend trying this.
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>> Um but yeah, obviously see a doctor, see
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a professional, but yeah, give this a
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try. It's I It helped me immensely. It
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actually helped me better than the the
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fluox did. So,
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>> yeah. Did you There's kind of like
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people create this imaginary war between
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supplements and meds. I see all of them
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as tools. Whatever tools work best for
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you, you go and grab the tools that work
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that you need. Um, but then people
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create this imaginary war like, oh,
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there's supplements versus meds and
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stuff like that. What were your thoughts
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on supplements um before you found us?
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I have um
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there's a lot of supplements
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uh that I know are for
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I guess lack of a better term are BS. Um
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>> okay,
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>> if if you think about it, a lot of the
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pharmaceuticals that we take today are
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derived from
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the the same materials that are used for
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supplements.
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>> Um it's just your starting point. And um
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and I think what kind of skewed me away
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from supplements is what were those
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uh
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I I forget what they were called, but I
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called my mom one of the mafia, but it
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was the uh nature.
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It was like the drops people would in
16:54
the diffusers. They would come rub on
16:56
the feet and the FDA actually got on
16:58
them because they were making claims
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that weren't being uh they couldn't
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substantiate.
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Um, but yeah, that kind of soured me on
17:07
supplements. And then a lot of times
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you'll see the ads for they're making
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claims that they have no uh basis to
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make. Um, so it's just
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>> do you when when you see a commercial
17:22
for a supplement, obviously do your
17:24
research. Um, you know, I looked into
17:26
your product and I I felt comfortable
17:28
ordering your product, but yeah, there
17:31
are a lot of supplement uh ads on
17:35
Instagram or whatever platform you're on
17:38
that are it's just a bunch of malarkey
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and
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it's Yeah. So, I'm I have kind of a very
17:47
um soured opinion of supplements in
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general,
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>> just the way that they are marketed.
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>> I get if that makes sense.
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>> But no, a lot of the supplements are
18:00
effective. A lot of supplements do work.
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And again, a lot of the supplements are
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the same starting materials that are
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used for pharmaceuticals.
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>> I didn't know that. as in can you give
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me like an example of like the starting
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material? Um how a supplement and a
18:16
medication will have the same starting
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material?
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>> Uh
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you going to put me on the spot right
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here. Let me if something pops up I I'll
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come back to you on that.
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>> Okay.
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Okay.
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>> But yeah, it's Yeah, a lot of like the
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natural ingredients, you know, the flour
18:36
extracts or things like that. um they'll
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take them and they'll further drift or
18:42
whatever and get into actual
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make actual medication.
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>> Um
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>> okay, that one I actually I have an
18:51
example myself. It's like how aspirin is
18:54
derived from the bark of a willow tree.
18:56
Uh but then it's just you
19:00
um I think not aspirin a set of
19:03
menophine is derived from a bark of a
19:05
willow tree. That's where the origins
19:07
are from. That's what I've read. But
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maybe I'm wrong. So if you're listening
19:10
and I'm completely wrong, just let me
19:12
know in the comments.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. It's um No, it's right. I mean, a
19:18
lot of the flowers I mean for example,
19:20
if you look at uh
19:23
>> poppy seeds, I mean poppy plant that a
19:26
lot of the opiates are derived from
19:27
poppies.
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>> Uh
19:30
but yeah, it's a lot of them are are
19:32
plant derived origin. They can
19:34
synthesize a lot now. Like a lot of the
19:36
C dimensional now is synthesized
19:38
material.
19:39
>> But yeah, most of it's plant origin or
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it used to be all plant
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>> origin.
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>> And so we've got one product that's a
19:46
root. Um it's a sugar derived product
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from a root that's used for skin
19:51
conditions.
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>> Uh that could easily be a a supplement.
19:55
Could be sold as a supplement, but we
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put it in a pharmaceutical grade
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product.
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M
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if you're allowed to share what are the
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top products that you manufacture?
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>> I can't. Sorry.
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>> Okay, no worries. I was just curious.
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>> We we do make a lot of pet medicated pet
20:18
products and a lot of human health
20:20
products, but a lot of your standard
20:22
cough and cold things like that. And
20:24
there's there's a few more that are um
20:28
I guess more
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uh
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specific I guess to certain other
20:35
problems. But yeah, I can't I can't get
20:38
into a lot of the
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>> No,
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>> it's nothing huge. Trade secrets are
20:42
like that. We just have NDAs with all
20:44
our clients and I can't discuss those
20:47
products.
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>> Got it.
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>> Yeah.
20:51
When when you said you visited our
20:54
website, something about you made you
20:56
think like, "Oh, I'm willing to give
20:58
this a try." Do you recall what that
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was?
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>> Um,
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honestly,
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it started with the reviews
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and a lot of it was
21:13
your I guess I could say your engagement
21:15
with your customers. I was going through
21:18
looking at a lot of the videos and um I
21:21
I could tell one you had a commitment to
21:25
what you wanted to be a good product.
21:27
Two, you actually care about the people
21:30
taking your product. Um and then yeah,
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three, then I kind of did my own
21:35
research on it. And you're not using
21:38
you're not doing anything new. It's not
21:40
a groundbreaking product, but you know,
21:42
you're making you're using good starting
21:44
material.
21:45
uh you're making it right, making it,
21:48
you know, semiafordable
21:50
and and it it works for me at least, and
21:55
that's important. But yeah, a lot of it
21:57
was your engagement with your your
21:58
clientele is kind of what made me look
22:01
more into it. I could tell that you as a
22:04
person uh are not in this to just do a
22:07
quick get-rich quick scheme and walk
22:10
away from it.
22:15
Definitely not. I'm in this for the long
22:17
run. So, and I wanted my goal is just to
22:20
>> I want to be big enough where we can
22:22
make our and get like the fancy
22:25
equipment that your company probably has
22:27
to bring down the production cost so
22:29
that we can bring the price down and
22:31
make it more accessible for for just um
22:35
everyone. That's that's my goal. And go
22:37
global if
22:39
>> Yeah. No, I can understand that. I mean,
22:42
if I can ever help you out, let me know.
22:44
I mean, I chemist for 30 years of my
22:47
life and
22:49
>> and pharma manufacturing. So, yeah, if
22:51
you ever need any input on anything or
22:53
have any questions, let me know. I can
22:55
point you toward equipment and people
22:57
and
22:58
>> yeah,
22:59
>> kind of things that you would need.
23:01
>> I appreciate it.
23:04
If you had to paint a picture just on
23:07
like so we understand like how the
23:09
nighttime was but then when you can't
23:11
get good sleep that affects every other
23:14
aspect of your life the way maybe it's
23:16
harder to regulate emotions you snap a
23:18
little bit more and stuff like that. So
23:21
>> how has your dayto-day changed from the
23:24
few months before finding us when you
23:27
were having those panic attacks to how
23:30
it is now a few months after finding us?
23:34
uh more productive one, more level. Um
23:38
>> uh there's a lot more focus on what I'm
23:40
doing. I can think better. Um I I'll
23:44
tell you there were days that when I was
23:45
having those panic attacks and getting
23:47
two to three hours of sleep, I barely
23:50
remember the days. And you know, it's
23:52
possible I was making decisions that I
23:55
had no business making or I wasn't
23:58
looking at something that you know, one
24:01
of my people gave me. is like, hey, is
24:02
this something we can release? Um, maybe
24:06
I wasn't as focused on it, things like
24:08
that. But yeah, going from that to now,
24:12
it's there there is a lot more focus.
24:14
I'm obviously better rested, so more
24:18
productive,
24:20
uh, more attentive to, you know,
24:22
documents I'm reviewing, projects that
24:25
I'm working on. It's just Yeah.
24:29
And and that's, you know, that's I don't
24:31
I don't attribute that to your product
24:33
making me
24:36
more productive in that way. I I
24:38
contribute that to making me a better
24:40
well-rested, more overall kill,
24:44
>> levelheaded person. You know, anxiety
24:47
factors gone, better sleep, more
24:50
productive.
24:54
>> I guess that's the best way to put it.
24:58
Sleep is the foundation of everything.
25:00
With bad sleep, everything goes down.
25:02
Yeah. So,
25:04
>> you're sicker more often.
25:06
>> Yeah.
25:07
>> Yeah. So, yeah. Overall, man, that's a
25:11
lot better. A lot better state just
25:13
physically, mentally,
25:15
>> you know, in the past few months. And I
25:16
I do attribute a lot of that to the
25:19
product, you know, helping me get past
25:21
those nocturnal panic attacks and and
25:24
getting the better sleep.
25:30
has when you were just when you were
25:34
going into these nightly panic attacks,
25:37
you can't sleep, you're going to the
25:38
sofa. Did your family notice that you
25:42
were going through this?
25:44
Uh
25:46
the wife did eventually
25:50
um cuz I had made
25:54
she had made a comment about hey I don't
25:56
really know what is how we could make
25:58
this stop and I had kind of made a very
26:01
off color comment that I should have
26:03
never made. Um,
26:06
>> and it would it would it would have been
26:07
a comment that I guess somebody in a
26:09
very depressed
26:10
uh state with not really a lot of future
26:14
outlook would make if you kind of get
26:16
what I'm the drift that I'm saying.
26:18
>> Yeah.
26:18
>> And and uh
26:21
that kind of really set her off that I
26:22
would say something like that.
26:25
>> Um so yeah, she after that she was aware
26:30
and she would do what she would can at
26:32
night. you know, we've got one of those
26:34
beds that allow you to sit up and she
26:37
was like, "Hey, you can turn the TV on
26:39
in the bedroom. I'll just put a night
26:40
mask on and you can sit up in here and
26:42
watch TV. Maybe that'll help." So, where
26:46
she was able, she changed a lot of her
26:48
life to kind of help me get through that
26:52
point. And you know in the long term it
26:54
would have if it would have impacted her
26:56
too because I know me and there watching
26:58
TV at night, light blaring from the TV.
27:01
I know that impacted her her sleep as
27:03
well.
27:04
>> But I got a great wife. She you know
27:06
she'll do that for me. So
27:08
>> yeah.
27:09
>> And she likes her sleep.
27:14
>> Did you did you tell her, oh this scoop
27:17
is it helped helped me out? Does she
27:19
know about Unwind?
27:21
>> Yeah, she does. So, when it first came
27:23
in, I showed it to her. I was like,
27:24
"Hey, this we're going to give this a
27:26
try and see how it works." And
27:28
>> yeah.
27:28
>> Um, yeah. Few days in and it works.
27:33
>> Fantastic.
27:35
>> Oh, Alan, I always like to wrap these
27:37
podcasts up with three speedrun
27:39
questions just to throw you some curve
27:40
balls before I let you go about your
27:42
way. Are you ready?
27:43
>> Yeah.
27:45
If you and your wife can be had two
27:49
weeks off and you can go anywhere in the
27:51
world right now, where would you be?
27:54
>> Ireland.
27:55
>> Ireland. Okay.
27:59
>> If What's the worst thing that you have
28:02
worst and dumbest thing you've ever
28:04
spent your money on?
28:07
>> Oh my god.
28:09
Um,
28:15
God, man, that's a tough one.
28:20
I
28:24
It's I was not the best with money for a
28:26
long time just for buying a lot of
28:27
stupid things.
28:29
I, you know, I don't know an answer to
28:33
that. I'm trying to think of a big
28:35
purchase where
28:38
Yeah. I don't know, James. That's That's
28:40
a
28:43
That's a good I know. When I was
28:44
younger, probably just Yeah. I don't
28:47
know. I don't know.
28:49
I don't have an answer for you on that
28:51
one.
28:52
>> Okay. No worries.
28:54
>> If you can go back in time and speak
28:58
with younger Allen and just give him one
29:00
life advice that you had to learn the
29:02
hard way, what how old is younger Allen
29:05
and what's the message?
29:08
Um, it would probably be
29:13
uh the worst things that I've had issues
29:15
with was you know what
29:18
19year-old Allan started smoking and
29:22
stopping smoking was it it was pretty
29:24
difficult and you know I know the other
29:26
people trying to get off a lot harder
29:28
things but I would go back to that guys
29:30
like dude
29:31
don't try to be cool smoking with your
29:34
boys. Yeah, don't ever start that.
29:38
But yeah, it's no, I'm I'm happy with
29:40
what I've done in life with my school,
29:42
my career choice,
29:44
>> uh my family, the person I've met. It's
29:46
it's just Yeah, that's that's one thing
29:48
that I've always hated that I started
29:50
doing was
29:51
>> was uh smoking and and getting off that
29:54
was brutal just from
29:58
I mean, it wasn't like getting off, you
30:00
know, something illegal. some of those
30:03
controlled substances that people may be
30:05
taking, but stop. Yeah, that was I was I
30:07
was a grumpy iate man for several weeks
30:12
>> and it took a lot. You took a toll on
30:14
the health. So, yeah, getting over all
30:16
that finally.
30:20
>> This
30:23
is not part of the questions, but um
30:26
questions, but I just wanted to have
30:28
squeezing a fourth. What is one of the
30:31
most important decisions you've made in
30:34
your life that you can contribute to
30:38
getting you to where you are right now
30:40
with like being happy with where you
30:42
are, happy wife and just
30:46
feeling very
30:49
like very sat like h I guess satisfied
30:52
with where you are in life because I
30:54
feel like so many people are always like
30:56
unsatisfied with life.
30:58
>> Yeah. Um
31:00
I I guess probably the one thing that um
31:04
and and I tell my daughter this too,
31:07
there's only
31:10
you you have to not worry about the
31:14
noise other people, you know, take care
31:17
of yourself. I've got a few people that,
31:20
you know, being my family obviously that
31:23
their opinion of me matters, you know,
31:26
wife, daughter, my mom, dad, things like
31:29
that. Um,
31:32
but I think if I had to put so much
31:34
focus on what people think about me, um,
31:38
if trying to please others,
31:41
um, doing all that as I was growing up,
31:45
uh, I think that would have helped a lot
31:47
if I would have put more focus on
31:49
myself, you know, do what I want to do.
31:52
Um, if I've got a stupid hobby that
31:55
everybody else thinks is ignorant, go
31:57
out and do it. Who cares?
31:58
>> Yeah. you know, do what makes you happy.
32:02
Um, you know, just only worry about your
32:05
family. You, you know, the the people
32:08
that matter to you are the people that
32:11
you need to work at pleasing and and get
32:14
along with. Everybody else is just just
32:16
noise,
32:19
>> you know?
32:19
>> Yeah. I guess that that's kind of over
32:22
the past couple of years something that
32:24
I've really
32:26
uh I guess kind of my mindset has gone
32:29
to and I've uh kind of really impressed
32:31
that on my daughter especially when she
32:33
was getting through high school going
32:35
into college and you would you would
32:37
have the the high school drama um
32:40
>> you know I would tell her I was like hey
32:42
that what are they going to matter to
32:44
you in five years you know is anything
32:47
in your life gonna be different because
32:50
uh
32:51
Jane said this about you or didn't like
32:54
you or Jane doesn't like you. It it it
32:57
doesn't matter. Focus on you. Focus on
33:00
the people that are important to you and
33:02
and be done with it. You you'll be a lot
33:04
happier when you stop worrying about
33:06
everybody else.
33:08
if you're making everybody else happy.
33:14
>> I love that one because that was one of
33:16
the first lessons I had to learn when I
33:19
was coming out of my own depression and
33:21
anxiety. It was through a book, The Soul
33:24
Art to Not [ __ ] Yourself. And then
33:26
that's exactly the message that the book
33:29
tries to portray.
33:30
>> So, I love that. Yeah.
33:34
>> Yeah. It makes a lot of difference.
33:36
>> Yeah. makes a lot of difference.
33:38
>> Yeah. Um it was a subtle art of not
33:41
giving a [ __ ] And I'm gonna I don't
33:43
think I need to bleep it out. It's 18
33:45
bucks. But yeah,
33:47
but yeah, Al and I truly appreciate you
33:51
for hopping on and sharing your story.
33:54
Our goal is
33:56
>> to hopefully this reaches one more
33:58
person in dark place and we can pull
33:59
them out and help them out.
34:02
>> Yeah, I I agree. If anybody out there is
34:05
having a panic attack issue, give this a
34:08
try at least. Obviously, see your
34:10
doctor, but give it a try.
34:13
>> Yeah,
34:14
>> it it it definitely helped me.
34:18
>> Well, I thank you all for listening. If
34:21
you guys have any questions, make sure
34:22
to leave a comment down below. And Allan
34:25
and everyone listening, I wish you all a
34:28
healthy and happy day. Peace.