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#111 - Carl Perera - Music, Malaysia, & The Machines That Move Us · The Chris and Mike Show

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  I don't know me and I could just listen that
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  song all day. We.
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  Could we Could just. Play that back to rap and and
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  just you know, and then all our songs we should just we just
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  have a podcast. We play all our songs, that's
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  all we do. We just introduce the song and
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  sit back and jam and just rock out because you know how cool
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  that be we. Could actually we could actually
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  make that happen. Let's make that happen, man.
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  Let's have just a Chris and Mike Rock'n'roll show.
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  You know, just just the music, man.
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  The music saves the masses, right?
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  We'll do that. The music saves the world.
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  So we had a guest scheduled and we rescheduled him and I had
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  something that's going to pop on and I haven't been able to
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  connect with them, so hopefully they still chime in.
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  So we're back to the basics the way it all started.
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  Back to the basics of love, let's go to Lukenbach, Texas
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  with Waylon and Willy and the boy.
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  That's a great song. That is a great song.
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  This successful life we're living, it's got a student like
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  the hat. He, he was, he died and and died
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  in Arizona. He's buried at the Mesa
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  Cemetery. Yeah, when I first moved there,
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  there was a guy that lived about four doors down and he
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  remembered going and seeing him playing the bars in Arizona
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  with. See, I wish I would have known
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  that, dude. That would have been cool,
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  right? Yes.
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  He told me some great stories. Man, just to just to well share,
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  share Waylon Jennings Arizona bar playing story Mike for our
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  our viewing audience on YouTube. Well, it was more, it was more
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  just the fact that like, you know, he was that much old.
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  He was probably 60 at the time. So he was really been there done
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  that as far as you know, every guys were nobody when I saw him.
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  You know, he he saw him go from the only people that knew him
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  were Arizona. You know, they toured around New
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  Mexico, Texas, the Southwest basically in in the beginning.
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  So they get, they both got their start in that part of the
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  country and that's the only part of the country that knew him at
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  that time. Well.
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  They were young men then. OK, so I don't know if you know
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  this or not, but Waylon Jennings was actually a backup guitarist
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  for Buddy Holly and the Crickets.
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  I seem to have heard that at one point in time and I had
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  forgotten the fact. So, true story, the night that
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  the music died, when the plane crashed, Buddy Holly and Waylon
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  got in a fight because Waylon didn't want to ride on a bus.
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  And they were just like, well, Buddy Holly's the star, this
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  other dude, what Big Bopper? Big Bopper the other and the
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  other guy that died, they were the stars.
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  So they got to go to the plane. Everybody else had to ride the
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  bus. Unfortunately, here you are.
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  Waylon Jennings lived a lot longer than Buddy Holly did.
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  The night that Stevie Ray Vaughan died, Eric Clapton was
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  supposed to be on that helicopter, but his manager had
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  never met Stevie Ray. Oh fuck dude, that would have
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  been catastrophic. Yeah, we could have lost both of
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  them. Wow, that's the reason.
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  That's the only reason why Eric wasn't on it, because his
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  manager didn't know him. That was the story I heard back
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  in the day. Now if you Google it, that could
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  have been urban myth, I don't know.
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  But Eric Clapton was definitely there that night because it was
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  one of those guitar festival deals.
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  So like Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray, Jimmy Vaughn, they
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  were all there. Some kind of Blues Festival.
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  I think it was Clapton's first. He does like a yearly Blues
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  Festival. I think that was one of the
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  first ones was in Alpine Valley, Wisconsin.
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  Oh, that's where the plane took off.
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  Yeah, so when it was a helicopter.
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  Oh yeah, I'm sorry. My bad.
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  And it flew into fog, which is against, I think, visual flight
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  rules for a helicopter. It's not supposed to fly into
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  dense fog. You know, you've been to the
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  Midwest. There's no mountains here.
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  It was in the sight of a hill. It.
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  Flew into Oh yeah, it's a pretty.
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  Good sized hill, but I mean it's still a hill.
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  Yeah, well, that's that's the the reason Kobe Bryant's no
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  longer with us. Correct.
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  You know, stay out of helicopters.
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  Yeah, well, unless it's clear, unless there's clear skies, you
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  know, I don't know if you can't, if you can't see the the world
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  in front of you, don't, don't get a hell, don't get in a
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  plane. If, for that matter, if you
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  can't see what's going on around you, there's no point in jumping
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  on the aircraft, man. At least they got autopilot and
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  you know you can keep the thing moving In a jet helicopter you
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  just straight to the ground if something bad happens.
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  Yeah, but. Even autopilot does.
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  Will autopilot adjust from hitting a mountain or will just?
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  Alert you. Good question.
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  We need to get a. Pilot on the We need to get a
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  pilot. Hold on, hold on, pilot.
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  I know a pilot. I know a pilot.
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  Let me see what he's doing. Like legit.
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  This is how these things happen, ladies and gentlemen.
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  We just start talking and strange, strange things happen.
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  Somebody knows somebody. Is this sound?
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  Hey, Carl, what are you doing right now?
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  Carl, we're reaching. Out to Carl, I know Carl the
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  pilot. He's also realtor.
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  I met him at A at a marketing shoot, I don't know, 3-4 months
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  ago and he's like, dude, you want to go to my plane, let me
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  know. I'm like right on dude.
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  I haven't taken a law on it. But now that we're sitting here,
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  I don't know It's it's it's I'm sure just a little a little
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  flyer plane. This is this is Carl the
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  realtor. And for those of you can't see,
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  I'm showing a picture of a of a human wearing a Gray suit jacket
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  with a white shirt. Dapper, very dapper.
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  You like that? I don't.
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  I don't know what nationality Carl is, but you know, he kind
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  of looks like somebody from the the Middle East, I want to say,
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  but I don't. Want to say probably get.
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  Away. Oh, there's Carl.
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  There's Carl. Hey, dude.
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  He's got a full head of hair. He does.
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  Hey, so we're on my podcast right now and we just started
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  talking about a flying in helicopters and planes and shit.
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  You want to jump on our show and have a conversation?
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  This is like real raw relevant. This is as.
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  Real, raw and relevant as you get.
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  It's almost as good as somebody calling in.
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  Right, right. We'll see what he says.
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  He's like I'm just working from home, man.
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  Let's find out if Carl wants to come on the show.
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  That would be awesome. That would be fun.
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  So he had and even has his his notification silence and he
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  still answered my my notification which is cool.
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  You would be one of the people that would get through on my
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  phone too. Actually, I do not disturb you
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  are because you're in my favorites list and those are the
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  only people that can get through.
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  He thumbed up the message. Boys and girls.
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  So let's see what his he's, he's got a little thought bubbles
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  going on right now. Ladies and gentlemen, we're
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  going to try and get a pilot live right here.
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  In the middle of this podcast. That's awesome.
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  Yeah, I'm down. Like just calling.
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  Give me your e-mail address and I'll share the link with you
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  right now. This is the way we put these
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  shows together, ladies and gentlemen.
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  You are seeing it right here in action.
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  You do it on your laptop or desktop.
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  As long as you have a webcam and a microphone, we're good to go,
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  man. Yeah, 'cause we know he has a
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  good Internet connection. He's working from home.
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  And he's a realtor. He's in my industry, that's all.
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  About good real estate connection.
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  And real estate. Connection got to have a good
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  Internet. Connection and he flies.
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  He's a pilot and this is good timing too 'cause then you guys
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  can. We'll take care of you while you
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  go do your thing. Man, why I go when I go drop the
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  thing in the in the dealio. So let's see if he's he's he's
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  thinking. I think I'm her in my wings.
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  I can get along without you now, Dad.
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  You can get along that way. And ladies and gentlemen, he
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  knows I mean that on some level. Yeah, yeah.
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  OK, OK, let's see. How do I get his e-mail off my
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  phone? Oh, it's, oh, it's it's he's,
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  he's, no, he's is he? I thought it was an iPhone but I
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  guess he's not OK. Yeah, so I learned something.
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  We got to make sure that if they're on an iPhone, they got a
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  they what do they call that? Landscape it, not portrait.
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  Yes. Because Lemoyne started out
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  landscaped and then he must have dropped his phone and he
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  portrait it on me and that makes it look weird in the background.
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  No, what I'm saying is, yeah, nothing but love, brother.
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  We worked it out, but for future reference, invitation sent Ask
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  Chris. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a
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  sticker for details. Yeah, check your e-mail, Carl.
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  Yeah, he's a he's a cool dude, man.
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  He's a nice guy. Awesome.
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  Oh, fuck me. Nikki Anne Burrell died.
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  Who's Anne Burrell? Anne Burrell died.
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  Sorry, that was loud. Who's Anne Burrell?
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  Anne Burrell. Food Network.
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  Oh yeah, now I recognize. Her yeah, Food Network.
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  Oh shit, 69. She's a fuck dude.
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  She's as old as I am. And that's not good.
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  That is not good. Wow.
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  Yeah, now I recognize her. Absolutely.
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  Channel 3, sorry, I mean, I didn't mean to blow.
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  I didn't mean to blow up the podcast.
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  Like no, that's. I know exactly who she is now
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  that you showed me a picture of her.
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  Wow, that's terrible. There he is.
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  There's Carl Pereira and this. Is Carl.
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  Things happen, ladies and gentlemen, just like that
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  welcome, Carl. Thank you so much for coming on.
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  You're welcome. That was impromptu.
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  Dude, that's like, well, we had, we had a guest coming on that
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  that had to reschedule. And I had a friend of mine, I
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  was like, dude, what are you doing tomorrow?
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  And he obviously got busy with day.
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  And then so Mike and I were talking about Waylon Jennings
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  and Stevie Ray Vaughan are not Waylon Jeans, Buddy Holly,
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  Stevie Ray Vaughan crashing. And then I brought up Kobe
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  Bryant. And then Mike's like, I wish we
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  had a pilot. And I'm like, hey.
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  Yeah. We're we're two morons here
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  talking about, hey, you can do this and that with the plane.
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  I'm like, really, I don't know what you can and can't do with
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  the plane. And he's like, I know a pilot.
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  So thank you so much, Carl. That's awesome.
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  Carl, Carl, this is MM, this is Carl.
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  Welcome to the Chris and Mike show You're you're you're live
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  with us on YouTube because when we do this it's live on YouTube.
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  This is like 109th episode I think and then we and then we
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  purpose it out you you'll be on here a couple weeks later.
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  We'll drop you all the links and stuff, you can share them so.
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  Yeah, like you said, we're going to have a guest.
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  And then we kind of started stumbling our way through the
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  beginning of this and talking about planes.
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  And he says, I know a pilot, I'm going to text him, see what he's
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  doing. Oh, that is so.
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  That is so funny. Yeah.
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  And then I and I and I still had your picture in our thread.
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  So so I introduced, I introduced you to the world like this.
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  This is Carl. This is Carl the realtor.
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  I look a lot better in that picture than I.
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  And it was like, he's, he's very dapper and like, I'm not sure
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  where you're from. Where he's from, you look very
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  dapper and you got a full head of hair, man, So you're doing
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  all right, buddy. I appreciate you guys.
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  Bald is a cute ball. Well, who knows?
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  We did it. We were at a marketing shoot for
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  a title with the title Rep. We know.
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  And, and so we were filming Jason.
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  I were filming this, this thing that I had dreamed up.
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  You know, you, you've all seen the commercials about
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  pharmaceuticals, right? Like, oh, you know, the, the
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  side effects of Viagra, you know, da da, da, da da.
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  So we did the side effects of of not working with a realtor.
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  Yeah, that was, that was perfect.
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  That was so good. Yeah.
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  So Carl was there and and we, I was, he kind of was gracious
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  enough to kind of be involved a little bit and we had to get him
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  out and get pictures taken and stuff.
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  So it was kind of. Fun volume up just a smidge,
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  Carl. Oh my volume.
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  Oh, like my my. There we go.
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  You. Got some facial hair now you
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  grew a beard. I know that takes takes like it
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  comes in every three days, you know, Then I got to shave it.
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  Is it really you can grow a beard in three days?
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  Like this beard, Yeah, like 2-3 days, yeah.
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  That's insane man. There's one that's great long
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  either. Yeah, no mine.
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  Mine was. I can grow.
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  Hair, yeah, mine would come in, but I don't think it would come
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  in that quick in three days. So what we're talking?
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  About, yeah. Well, when we first started this
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  show, it was just he and I kind of bullshit conversations that
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  we've grown. So I.
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  Actually, remember your last question?
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  So Chris's last question that inspired him to text you was, if
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  you're on a commercial jet and there's no pilot and you're
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  relying on autopilot, does it account for like a mountain?
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  You know, say you're flying at the same level as a mountain.
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  Would it account for that mountain and adjust?
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  Yeah, yeah. There's terrain.
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  Yeah, boy, yeah. So I mean like when you, when
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  you fly to like, I mean, I'm, I'm not super well versed on
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  jets because I haven't flown them yet.
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  But like there's a, there's a thing called like a Cat 3
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  approach, I believe. And, and you can fly all the way
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  down to the runway. And so there is, there's some
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  kind of device that measures the distance from the base of the
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  base of the airplane to the ground.
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  So it even knows like when to flare and everything.
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  And then even on the smaller airplanes, depending on what
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  kind of GPS you have, there's terrain avoidance.
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  So you pay your yearly subscription and it uploads map
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  and you'll have terrain and collision avoidance.
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  So, okay. So did Kobe Bryant just not pay
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  for have that to have that terrain when he took off in the
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  helicopter on the foggy day in LA?
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  Helicopters are different. That's where we're going to go.
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  What do you know about helicopters?
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  Anything. I don't know too much, but I did
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  look into that incident. Yeah, because that was, I don't
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  think that company was actually supposed to fly in Mount
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  Obscurement, so. The same thing happened to
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  Stevie Ray Vaughan, that the company violated that pilot, or
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  I think you have to have a rating for that.
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  He had a rating the pilot was actually like pretty
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  experienced, which is like surprising that that would
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  happen. But I think he I think there was
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  like external pressure. So as pilots, we always have
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  like certain checklist, like personal minimums.
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  And and so we, there's, there's a thing called external
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  pressures and usually, you know, if you have celebrities or high
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  net worth individuals that are pressuring you to go and maybe
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  it's against company policy or something.
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  It it seemed that might have been.
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  Chris Donald wants to go and he calls you up.
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  You got to move right now. Yeah, I mean, getting on this
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  podcast was like external pressure.
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  Dude, that's but that's the coolest, that's the coolest
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  thing, Carl, because legit, we just we just met and kind of
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  hung out for an hour and then he's cool.
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  He's a cool Duke. He's like everyone to go on my
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  plane, man, let me know. And I was like, alright, that's
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  cool. Dude, I thought that's what you
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  were hitting me up. For I figured, I figured.
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  I figured I'm like I'm. It's too hot now, though.
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  We can go at 6:00, it's a lot nicer.
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  OK, OK, that's cool, man. Yeah, so that's but so now
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  you're on the show for at least until we're done.
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  So you just stop this. So I'm going to go do my
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  irrigation thing. So you guys talk.
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  I'll be back. Yeah, so those were the those
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  were the two big issues that we brought up as far as he was
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  feeling like, I think what his argument was, was you were in
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  the same amount of danger in a helicopter as you were in a
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  plane. And I'm like, no way, dude.
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  I mean, I'm a moron when I don't know how to fly a plane or a
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  helicopter, but I watch enough documentaries to know that if
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  shit hit the fan, it seems like you would be pretty safe in a
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  commercial jet liner if somebody was.
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  Oh, totally incapacitated, yeah. Yeah.
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  So you would have to load the approach.
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  And I think you would have a better chance of doing that like
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  if ATC was guiding you through it or if they had like a pilot
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  like guiding you through that. Yeah, if you phoned or, yeah,
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  radioed into the tower and had somebody tell you step by step
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  what you should do and you were smart enough to push the right
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  buttons or whatever. Whatever.
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  Yes, average. Person be able to walk their way
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  through it with somebody experienced telling them what to
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  do I guess was my question. I believe so, because, yeah,
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  they have something called the FMS, which is like a flight
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  management system, I think. And so and so literally when you
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  get your clearance, you, you plug everything into the FMS and
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  then unless there's like an amendment or something, you
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  change it on the FMS. But, but I know typically like,
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  unless it's like a really, really bad weather day and, and
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  like both the airport has to have the equipment and your
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  plane has to have the equipment. Like I think most, most airline
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  pilots disengage autopilot at 500 feet and they hand fly it
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  down. Yeah.
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  But if it's it's a, if it's one of those 00 mins where it's like
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  the plane has to go all the way down and you can't see the
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  runway till you actually touchdown.
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  I think, I think to my understanding, the airport has
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  to have that equipment and then your airplane also has to have
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  that equipment in order to, to, to fly that approach.
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  So I guess technically it could, but like I don't think every
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  single airport is equipped for that.
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  So like, say, if you're flying to Sky Harbor, I don't think you
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  can fly. I mean, I don't know.
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  I haven't done this yet. Maybe you can.
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  I think they would probably, if you had enough fuel, they would
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  probably divert you to Los Angeles because I think Sky
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  Harbor's one of the harder airports to fly into because you
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  got to drop down so fast, you know, coming over the mountains.
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  Maybe I mean, I don't, I don't know, I haven't heard that, but
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  but they usually fly the visual. So so I mean because we barely
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  have weather here. So like once they have the
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  airport inside, they clear for the visual, then I think pretty
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  much they hand fly the plane down and it's pretty, pretty
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  easy going. But.
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  I came from Illinois. I lived out there from 1993
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  until what, 2009? Chris was the singer in a band
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  called Nemesis for quite a few years in the mid 90s.
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  He that's how we know each other.
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  I met him. At the box.
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  Concert and we put a band together and we had a
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  development deal with Metal Blade and.
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  Oh wow. Opened up for Pat Travers and
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  Sacred Reich and Sevendust and Armored St. and all kinds of
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  metal blade bands back in the OK.
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  That's another stamp on your desk there, yeah.
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  This is crazy, man. The amount of sounds.
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  I think I've talked about this on the show, but this amp is
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  probably $200. A friend of mine's just let me
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  borrow it for giving him lessons.
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  But the amount of sounds that you can get out of this thing
• 19:14
  for 200 bucks, 300 bucks now would have cost you probably, I
• 19:20
  don't know, fifteen, $20,000. And it would have been a huge
• 19:23
  rack system that, you know, three guys would have had to
• 19:26
  move to make it. Isn't that amazing?
• 19:29
  Crazy how far technology's come. Man, Oh, I know even like 15
• 19:33
  years ago because I like, I, I played in a band in college and
• 19:36
  I still play in a band now I play rhythm guitar and lead
• 19:40
  vocals. But we do like now we do like
• 19:43
  country and classic rock is mainly our, our deal.
• 19:46
  But what's wrong with that? But yeah, like when we're trying
• 19:49
  to record even 10 or 15 years ago, like the advancement and
• 19:54
  equipment now and the quality of sound you can get from your
• 19:57
  desktop is just like insane like.
• 20:00
  Yeah, I have this MacBook Pro that I bought to do the podcast
• 20:03
  and a producer friend of mine that lives in Georgia, he kind
• 20:06
  of helped me. This is still a makeshift setup
• 20:08
  I'm waiting on. I'm having a custom desk built
• 20:12
  and then I'm going to turn this thing the other direction, but
• 20:16
  did the amount of tracks that you can get out of this MacBook
• 20:21
  Pro is insane. I've I've never found the end,
• 20:24
  you know? And did you have to upgrade your
• 20:26
  Mac or is it just whatever standard?
• 20:29
  No, this thing's just the way I bought the best one they had.
• 20:32
  Believe me when I tell you this is the most expensive piece in
• 20:35
  the studio. OK, OK.
• 20:37
  Landslide. So the computing power is pretty
• 20:39
  good, but but yeah, it's still unbelievable what you can do in
• 20:42
  a box now. Yeah, like when I boot this
• 20:45
  thing up. So like, we usually start, I
• 20:47
  meet him on here like 4:50. At 4:49, I'll open my Mac and it
• 20:54
  takes about, I don't know, 35 seconds from the time you open
• 20:58
  it till the time you put your password in.
• 21:00
  I mean, you remember the days when you would wait like you
• 21:04
  would start your computer, go take a shower, come back, and
• 21:07
  you knew that everything had gotten going enough to where you
• 21:10
  could actually sit down and work.
• 21:12
  Yeah, that's how that's the generation I come from.
• 21:14
  No, yeah, then even like I remember summers, we were
• 21:17
  playing games online and stuff and I would have to dial up the
• 21:20
  network and take 5 minutes to connect to the Internet just to
• 21:23
  play a game of mini golf on the computer.
• 21:25
  I was. Like so frustrating.
• 21:28
  And then even when it got to the point where like I got in a car
• 21:32
  accident in 1998 and I was, you know, recovering and not able to
• 21:37
  move around a lot. So I started playing one of
• 21:39
  those massive whatever, whatever they call them, MMORG or what, I
• 21:45
  don't know. They got a bunch of like one of
• 21:47
  those fantasy role-playing kind of.
• 21:50
  Oh yeah, yeah. Medieval kind of shit you.
• 21:52
  Know. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:53
  EverQuest is what it was called. Oh, OK, OK.
• 21:57
  And then I think people got addicted to the next big one was
• 22:01
  World of Warcraft. World of Warcraft.
• 22:02
  Yeah, that. Took off all over.
• 22:04
  But right, right. Was one of the first ones.
• 22:07
  And so the people that are into those games are pretty smart,
• 22:10
  right? Usually, yeah, yeah.
• 22:14
  It just takes over your life though, man, It's amazing.
• 22:17
  Like to think of it now, all the time I wasted playing that
• 22:21
  stupid fucking game, I should have been sitting there playing
• 22:23
  my guitar more, you know? Well, I think like Elon Musk and
• 22:28
  stuff like those strategy games, like there's a component to
• 22:31
  there's like a connection between that and like
• 22:33
  entrepreneurs and stuff. It does help keep your mind, you
• 22:37
  know, because you're always thinking about your next move
• 22:39
  and upgrading your character. And you know, I'll agree with
• 22:42
  you, there's a lot of advantages to it, but I just think there's
• 22:46
  far more disadvantages. You you could be doing the same
• 22:50
  thing, playing a musical instrument.
• 22:51
  You know that you're in position, right?
• 22:53
  Yeah, yeah. So a lot of those things are
• 22:55
  excuses for not do not using your full potential.
• 22:59
  We talked about that at nauseam on this podcast because we have
• 23:02
  a lot of life coaches and stuff like that.
• 23:04
  And I enjoy it because I need to hear it too.
• 23:07
  You know, I always say that people that are listening need
• 23:09
  to hear it, but I'm careful to say I need to hear it too.
• 23:11
  Everybody does. We all do.
• 23:12
  We're guilty of becoming lackadaisical and just getting
• 23:15
  caught in our routines and making excuses for Oh, well, you
• 23:20
  know, I'm watching educational television.
• 23:21
  I say that to myself all the time, right?
• 23:23
  That's how I know about planes and a little bit about
• 23:26
  helicopters. Very little, but I know way more
• 23:28
  about planes, which is why him and I never get in arguments.
• 23:31
  We just I just started laughing. I'm.
• 23:34
  Like of. Course, of course, you know a
• 23:36
  pilot. It's so funny.
• 23:38
  I like saw his text and I'm like, what is this about?
• 23:42
  But what do you find like? Like is the biggest, biggest
• 23:46
  struggle right now with the new technology?
• 23:49
  Like what what? What do you struggle with?
• 23:53
  Just the addiction, man. Like here's the example I use.
• 23:57
  You walk in a restaurant. I try and, you know, go out to
• 24:00
  lunch with my mom as often as I can.
• 24:02
  We'll walk in and you look around a restaurant as they're
• 24:05
  going to seat you. And if there's eight people
• 24:07
  sitting at a table, a lot of times all eight of them are on
• 24:10
  their phone. Yeah.
• 24:12
  You know, and that's one thing that when I'm out in public, I'm
• 24:16
  conscious of who I'm with and whether they're going to be
• 24:21
  offended by that, you know? So like, my mom's on her phone.
• 24:24
  I'll be on my phone while she's on her phone.
• 24:26
  But. If she wants my attention, you
• 24:29
  know she gave birth to me. She kept me alive for 18 years.
• 24:33
  I owe her at least that right? We I can focus enough to have a
• 24:37
  conversation at lunch. But what I see is how old are
• 24:40
  you just out of? Curious, I'm 36.
• 24:43
  OK, so people your age definitely grew up with
• 24:48
  technology, right? So your whole life has basically
• 24:52
  been encompassed by a phone, a computer of some sort?
• 24:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. In people your age, don't you
• 25:00
  see that a lot where their attention is sucked into their
• 25:04
  phone, Especially in a social setting where they're not
• 25:07
  talking to each other? They're talking to or they're
• 25:10
  not. They're looking at their phone.
• 25:12
  I think so. I think, I don't know, maybe
• 25:14
  it's just my circle of friends, but I think we're a little bit
• 25:16
  more cognizant of it now like or even find relief that we can
• 25:19
  like not be on our phones because.
• 25:22
  Obviously you set your life up in your mind that way.
• 25:25
  You're a musician, you're a pilot.
• 25:26
  You're obviously an intelligent individual who is driven and
• 25:30
  wants to, you know, be active. And so you're the exception to
• 25:33
  the rule. I'm the exception to the rule.
• 25:35
  Chris is the exception to the rule in that we go over and
• 25:39
  above what's required of us on a daily basis.
• 25:42
  Most people don't do that. Yeah, possibly like it.
• 25:45
  Like for instance, when I go golfing, like like I never want
• 25:48
  to be on my phone. I mean that that is the time to
• 25:50
  like not be on your phone to just like chill out with friends
• 25:53
  and stuff like that. Obviously in an airplane, you
• 25:55
  don't want to be on the phone when you're on flying an
• 25:58
  airplane, but I, I noticed like everything that I do like the
• 26:01
  most enjoyable hobbies keep you in the present.
• 26:03
  So like playing live music, right?
• 26:05
  Like you're in the present flying an airplane, you pretty
• 26:08
  much have to stay in the present golfing.
• 26:10
  I just like to be in the present, like so anything that
• 26:13
  really forces you to be in the present, I find.
• 26:16
  And then, you know, when I'm scrolling away on my bed or
• 26:18
  something like brain rot at night, I just like kind of feel
• 26:21
  like shit. I just.
• 26:23
  I just had that conversation with the lady I work with today,
• 26:26
  I said. I told myself, you know, put
• 26:30
  your phone down. It's enough of that shit, you
• 26:32
  know it's time to go to bed. Like literally this is how
• 26:35
  psycho I am in my brain. 22 minutes later I know exactly how
• 26:40
  long it was because I looked at the clock when I said OK that's
• 26:43
  enough of that shit. And when I scolded myself I knew
• 26:46
  what time it was. Then it was 22 minutes later.
• 26:49
  I'm like, son of a bitch man, stop doing that shit.
• 26:53
  But you get sucked down a rabbit hole.
• 26:54
  You know, it's like, oh, I just got to learn one more thing.
• 26:58
  Yeah, and, and I and I have my wife put my screen time
• 27:00
  password, so I don't know it. So I have to force her to put
• 27:04
  the password in if I need more time.
• 27:07
  That's awesome. Because I originally I was just
• 27:10
  putting in my password, but it got to the point where I just
• 27:12
  ignore it, you know, put in my password and ignore it.
• 27:14
  And it was just becoming subconscious like, oh, there's
• 27:16
  no point to the screen time password.
• 27:19
  So she has my password now and that helps a lot.
• 27:23
  Yeah, Chris, we were just talking about how how technology
• 27:25
  like what, how it's kind of ruined us.
• 27:30
  It's very helpful. But it's because this is cool,
• 27:33
  because Mike's in Illinois. I'm in, I'm in.
• 27:36
  Well, I wrote Chandler, and you're where he was.
• 27:38
  Just he was just finishing that thought and that's exactly what
• 27:43
  I was going to say, Carl. Now here is an example of Chris
• 27:46
  and I using technology to our advantage.
• 27:48
  Right now. We're doing something
• 27:50
  productive, putting hopefully a quality product out there.
• 27:54
  I just got told again today, Mr. Dunham, that we have a very good
• 27:58
  podcast, thoroughly enjoyed it. To a new listener or from a new
• 28:01
  listener, so. Right on.
• 28:02
  Do you tell Carl how many countries we're in?
• 28:05
  18 countries, Carl. Are you serious?
• 28:07
  Yeah, for real. Are you in Malaysia?
• 28:09
  That's where I'm from. Yes.
• 28:11
  Oh, really? Actually are, I believe.
• 28:13
  Yeah, I will tell you in about two seconds.
• 28:17
  OK. Yeah, that sounds.
• 28:18
  Familiar so and now you can tell you call your family.
• 28:20
  Hey, in X days I'm going to be on a podcast.
• 28:24
  You should join and listen. On Spotify they can listen.
• 28:28
  Hey, that's pretty cool. We've grown the whole thing.
• 28:31
  We've grown the whole thing organically man.
• 28:33
  We've not spent any money like generating followers and shit.
• 28:37
  We've gone from like 28,000 in March to close to 100,000 views.
• 28:42
  I take that man. Close enough.
• 28:44
  Yeah, I can fly my plane from. There, this is the Philippines
• 28:51
  and Malaysia. That's pretty close.
• 28:52
  It's probably like, yeah, if you're taking an airliner,
• 28:55
  probably within an hour or. Big old jet airliner.
• 28:59
  Yeah, there you go. Steve Miller, man, there you.
• 29:02
  Carl with the knowledge boom. Only because my band asked me to
• 29:07
  do that so. Your band?
• 29:10
  You're in a band, Yeah. Yeah, I'm in a little cover
• 29:12
  band. OK, Chris, you're gonna have to
• 29:14
  come and watch this someday. OK, I did not know that dude.
• 29:16
  I didn't know you're in a band either, Mike was.
• 29:18
  Just telling. Oh, oh, yeah.
• 29:20
  Been there, Done the last subject.
• 29:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on iTunes from the last band
• 29:25
  I was in. Oh, cool.
• 29:26
  The Sturgis tore in 2008. So yeah, you know.
• 29:29
  Oh, very nice. He was on the radio, recorded.
• 29:32
  Yeah, yeah, was on the radio. Real, real talk to USA with the
• 29:35
  real estate for years for a year.
• 29:37
  The good news Arizona, 106 episodes of that was the
• 29:40
  mastermind behind that show. And then here we are with the
• 29:42
  Christmas, which I wanted to name with the Mike Michael show,
• 29:44
  but he forced Chris and Mike upon me.
• 29:47
  Good news Arizona, the Channel 3.
• 29:50
  That's the biggest misconception.
• 29:51
  People think it's Channel 3, but it was when COVID hit.
• 29:54
  Two weeks into COVID, I was tired of all the nonsense.
• 29:56
  So I was like reached out to my friend Dean not and I was like,
• 29:59
  dude, let's, let's do a show called Good News in Arizona and
• 30:01
  just focus on all the good we did.
• 30:04
  And I still get people reaching out to me like I it was, it was
• 30:08
  cool, man. It was a good thing.
• 30:09
  It it hits, it hit its stride about two months in and, and,
• 30:13
  and you know, just kind of took off.
• 30:15
  We had one of our a lot of our episodes we did live were 11,000
• 30:19
  plus viewers and stuff. It was pretty legit.
• 30:21
  Wow, cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 30:22
  They. Had some legit guests too like
• 30:24
  he had. Gene Simmons.
• 30:26
  Michael Bruce. Original.
• 30:28
  Yeah, original guitar player for Alice Cooper.
• 30:30
  Michael Bruce, right? We were actually in the studio
• 30:34
  with him. We had personal trainers on.
• 30:36
  We had, I mean, just I, I could go Butch Patrick from from the
• 30:40
  Munsters, Eddie Munster. OK, Soup Nazi, no soup for you.
• 30:45
  Just all kinds of all kinds. Of things that graphic in the
• 30:48
  background, Carl. Oh, I can.
• 30:53
  Actually, some of it's blocked by you guys.
• 30:56
  It just says that it's a top 10 Phoenix podcast.
• 30:59
  That's also a true story. He didn't just put that on
• 31:01
  there. #3 #3. Now we're number.
• 31:04
  Three now, yeah. In your metro area there.
• 31:08
  Hey, that's awesome. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 31:10
  I had no idea what I was walking into.
• 31:11
  Guys, that's. Just But you're a realtor man,
• 31:15
  so you get it. So you know, we don't know where
• 31:18
  to walk into daily musician. I just say yes.
• 31:21
  Yeah, exactly. And a musician.
• 31:22
  What do you play? What's the music?
• 31:23
  What instrument? I play rhythm guitar, acoustic
• 31:28
  and then I do main vocals. So we do country, a lot of
• 31:31
  George Strait. I like Keith Urban.
• 31:34
  Oh my ex is living, I like George Strait.
• 31:38
  We do the Firemen by George Strait.
• 31:40
  We do Alan Jackson. Yeah, stuff like that.
• 31:42
  They're just CCR. Yeah.
• 31:44
  Oh, so you just hit the button there?
• 31:46
  Mike loves CCR, one of my favorites man.
• 31:49
  So where's your next guest bands ever?
• 31:51
  Uh huh. Well, we, we usually play two to
• 31:55
  three times a month at the social birdie at Las Colinas
• 31:57
  golf course in Queen Creek. OK, it's a they revamp that
• 32:02
  whole restaurant and. But now during the summer, they,
• 32:05
  they don't do any shows during the summer because it's so hot,
• 32:07
  because it's outdoors. So we'll pick it back up in
• 32:10
  October, but. Yeah, when, when, when you get
• 32:13
  around to to playing, let me know and the wifey and I will
• 32:15
  come out and. Check out Oh yeah, it'd be
• 32:16
  great. That's a great date night spot
• 32:17
  too. And.
• 32:18
  Everybody in Phoenix, head out and see Carl play, please.
• 32:21
  Yeah, social birdie. Yeah, they.
• 32:22
  Put it on your calendar. We're giving you plenty.
• 32:24
  I noticed, man. It's June.
• 32:25
  He's been in. October.
• 32:27
  So you know, come on, what did you guys chat about while I was
• 32:32
  doing my my irrigation? Well, somehow I figured I owed
• 32:35
  him how I knew you because he told me how he knew you.
• 32:38
  So we talked about the band and then somehow that led into me
• 32:44
  playing EverQuest after I got in my car accident.
• 32:46
  And that's how we started talking about technology either
• 32:48
  being helpful, helpful or harmful.
• 32:51
  And I said, when I walk in a restaurant, I'll see eight
• 32:54
  people sitting at a table and no shit, a lot of times all eight
• 32:57
  people are buried in their phone.
• 33:01
  I can't imagine that, you know, two people wouldn't talk to each
• 33:04
  other. Yeah, no, I just.
• 33:05
  Went to the casino with two of my friends last Saturday and
• 33:10
  there wasn't one time that all three of us were sitting there
• 33:12
  on our phone. Two of us were always talking to
• 33:14
  each other. You know, usually it was all
• 33:16
  three. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:19
  And for Carl and I that that's that's I mean, our life is
• 33:21
  attached to that, unfortunately, because you know, back and when
• 33:24
  I got. Real.
• 33:25
  It's different when you're working.
• 33:26
  You don't do that when you're sitting there getting you at
• 33:28
  dinner, do you? No.
• 33:30
  No, but what I'm talking about, but I think it caused an
• 33:32
  addiction because like everything's an opportunity.
• 33:35
  So like now you almost feel like you're missing an opportunity
• 33:38
  and then it just gets built into your DNA, which is terrible.
• 33:41
  OK, then let me ask you both the same question.
• 33:43
  We'll start with Carl. Are you married?
• 33:46
  Yes. Remember, Remember his.
• 33:49
  Wife. Oh yeah.
• 33:50
  Yes. OK, Hello, Carl's wife.
• 33:56
  Carl's wife. So you're sitting there with
• 33:59
  what's her name? Oh, Mari.
• 34:01
  Mari, Mari, Mari, you're having a nice dinner out on a Saturday
• 34:05
  night and your phone goes off and it could be business.
• 34:08
  What does Carl do? Well I do put mine on sleep on a
• 34:14
  no notifications so unless unless the number's saved in my
• 34:17
  phone, it'll ring and then if it's usually somebody I know
• 34:20
  like my family member, I'll just send it to voicemail.
• 34:23
  I, I, I, I noticed, I noticed you had do not disturb on, but
• 34:27
  you still responded to me, so that was kind of cool.
• 34:29
  He he did comment. On it, I'm just sitting on my
• 34:31
  phone. Yeah, no, but legit dude, at the
• 34:33
  beginning of the show we talk about the fact that we had
• 34:35
  somebody had to reload, reschedule, which I knew ahead
• 34:38
  of time. Then I had a buddy coming on but
• 34:39
  he texted me since and he just got tied up unfortunately.
• 34:43
  So we organically just I, I text you on the show.
• 34:47
  I know Pilot. I know pilot.
• 34:50
  You see how it is? I was Plan B.
• 34:52
  You were. Plan C actually but but but but
• 34:56
  but but but it came the. Best option?
• 34:58
  I think but it right, but it turned out organically because
• 35:01
  again, it took it took me talking about when the music
• 35:06
  died, which was the we we started talking about Waylon
• 35:08
  Jennings, because I started singing Waylon Jennings and then
• 35:10
  and then just kind of trans and it went there to to the pilot
• 35:13
  thing, because then Mike referenced Stevie Ray Vaughn and
• 35:16
  how Eric Clapton was supposed to be on that helicopter and he
• 35:18
  wasn't right. And then I referenced the Kobe
• 35:21
  Bryant thing and then so that and then we talked about the
• 35:24
  hill and that's where I kind of thought about it.
• 35:25
  Mike's like, Oh, a pilot. And I was like, I know a pilot.
• 35:28
  It is pretty crazy. So bad, you were the first pilot
• 35:31
  I thought of. Yes, so.
• 35:34
  You know, I know another one, but he flies those big he like
• 35:38
  legit flies for. God.
• 35:41
  I think now. So he'd probably be more well
• 35:43
  versed on that 3. But he.
• 35:45
  Probably all my questions. And he probably wouldn't have
• 35:48
  been available, man, because yeah, that's like Aaron and you.
• 35:51
  Legit. Answered all our questions.
• 35:52
  Those were the questions, Would you be safer in a helicopter or
• 35:55
  a commercial airliner? And it's 100% a commercial
• 35:58
  airliner. I've never been in a helicopter.
• 36:01
  And the other thing helicopters have to look out for is power
• 36:04
  lines because they're flying so low, you know, like we don't
• 36:06
  have to worry too much about that unless we have an emergency
• 36:09
  situation where we have to do an off site landing.
• 36:11
  But yeah, the the helicopters have to constantly think about
• 36:14
  power lines because they're very like, when you're moving that
• 36:17
  fast, you don't see them. And so, yeah.
• 36:21
  Here's a here's a question then, since you're a pilot right now,
• 36:25
  it seems to be like an an an an abnormal amount of planes are
• 36:28
  falling from the sky. Good.
• 36:31
  Question. Yeah.
• 36:33
  Is that true or is it just us where all of a sudden the media
• 36:35
  is just focusing on plane crashes because legit it seems
• 36:38
  like every day. A plane is calling me Jason,
• 36:43
  Jason and Jason. Does he listen to this podcast?
• 36:47
  Text No text him and tell him to go on YouTube.
• 36:49
  The Chris and Mike show. He'll see us.
• 36:51
  Really. Does he know?
• 36:53
  Yeah, we're live on YouTube. We're live on.
• 36:54
  He knows. I've invited him a couple times.
• 36:56
  Oh, OK, OK. We're so it's So what I think it
• 37:01
  is with the airplane stuff is like the first US commercial
• 37:05
  airline crashed in Washington, right.
• 37:07
  And then ever since then there's been like a magnifying glass on
• 37:11
  airplane incidents that I, I was actually working like while I
• 37:15
  was doing my commercial ratings last year at Erguard flight
• 37:18
  school. And then there was that, that
• 37:20
  mid air collision at Tucson. I don't think that that that
• 37:23
  collision would have ever made the news if it wasn't for that
• 37:26
  Washington crash, you know, just the month prior because
• 37:29
  everything was just so hyper focused on airplanes now.
• 37:33
  So, so I think it's a little bit of that.
• 37:36
  I actually looked up like the stats of 2024 year to date
• 37:42
  compared to 2025 and actually there was less crashes this year
• 37:46
  than there were in last year at the previous year.
• 37:49
  So. So that's over 6.
• 37:51
  Months. What's that?
• 37:53
  Yeah. Six months, over six months or?
• 37:55
  Yeah. Year to date, yeah.
• 37:56
  Yeah. So I compared it cuz I'm like,
• 37:58
  is this like unusual? Like we're hearing about it so
• 38:00
  much? I never thought about the media
• 38:03
  with like the dog with a bone angle and they are like that a
• 38:06
  lot, right? Yeah, they like to
• 38:08
  sensationalize it. And fear causes abuse and.
• 38:12
  Unfortunately so. So we actually have less planes
• 38:15
  that have fallen out of the sky so far in 2025 than we did in
• 38:18
  2024 for the same length of time.
• 38:20
  Yes, the caveat is that there's more because of that that was U
• 38:23
  s s first, you know, since 2009 commercial incident, accident
• 38:28
  with fatalities. That was why it was like, I
• 38:31
  mean, there's more commercial fatalities this year because it
• 38:34
  was the first one since 2009, OK, as far as US crashes go.
• 38:37
  So I think that's what caused it, yeah.
• 38:39
  OK, so are you are you a flight nerd?
• 38:41
  Do you go in and, and and research that stuff?
• 38:43
  What'd you say, Mike? There's somebody behind you.
• 38:45
  Thank you. Good job.
• 38:46
  I saw. Them I just saw their yellow
• 38:48
  shirt. Amazon.
• 38:49
  This is a running theme on this podcast, Carl, I cannot let him
• 38:53
  get killed by the UPS guy. Or if it doesn't happen to be
• 38:58
  the UPS guy, it could be a serial killer, right?
• 39:01
  So, so I text ADHDI text Jason for you Carl, I said, I said you
• 39:06
  can find Carl here in cinema link and he's like.
• 39:09
  No, I didn't even text him yet, so I'm glad you.
• 39:10
  Didn't so he's he's like, yo, I don't know how I missed your
• 39:13
  podcast text. I'd love to be a guest and
• 39:15
  assistant any way I can. I'm sorry for the delay.
• 39:18
  Jason's the guy that he's a title Rep, that marketing Rep
• 39:21
  that helps U.S. market and stuff.
• 39:22
  He's a cool guy. Awesome.
• 39:23
  Very. Cool guest.
• 39:24
  That's funny. That's funny.
• 39:26
  He would be. He used to be a model.
• 39:28
  So, and an actor, yeah, and. An actor?
• 39:30
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.
• 39:34
  We've had some great guests, man.
• 39:36
  What were we talking about for my squirrel moment?
• 39:40
  And my and my flight nerd that. Oh yeah.
• 39:42
  Yeah, so, so like when that crashed into Washington, did you
• 39:45
  guys like dive into the research and the and the, you know, all
• 39:48
  the stuff? Yeah, I mean, because even at
• 39:50
  Chandler Airport, right, like, like the difference between US
• 39:53
  and Washington was that you don't see a military helicopter
• 39:57
  on your iPad. Like, you know, you don't see
• 40:00
  that traffic on there because they're, they're not required to
• 40:02
  be on there. With us, we can see the
• 40:05
  helicopters on our iPad. However, there's there's been a
• 40:08
  lot of close calls that even at Chandler, you know, because our,
• 40:12
  our traffic patterns are very tight, like very close to each
• 40:14
  other there's. Helicopters take out of front of
• 40:17
  Chandler too. Oh, just a lot of helicopters
• 40:19
  training out of Chandler. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:21
  So what's? Your flight rating.
• 40:23
  So what? What kind of planes are you
• 40:24
  flying? So right now I I own a little
• 40:27
  Cessna but I last year I got my commercial rating in multi
• 40:30
  engine so I can be paid to fly multi engine aircraft now.
• 40:35
  And so now, now. Explain Explain to our viewers
• 40:38
  what a multi engine aircraft is. Oh yeah.
• 40:40
  So you you have single engine ratings, which is 1 engine on
• 40:44
  the airplane, usually at the nose of the aircraft.
• 40:46
  Yeah, prop in the front and then multi engine.
• 40:49
  There's a lot of different flight flight characteristics,
• 40:51
  but there's usually a engine on each wing.
• 40:54
  So you have a left and right engine and the difference is it
• 40:57
  can be a little bit more dangerous.
• 40:58
  You would think having 2 engines is more safe, but if you don't
• 41:00
  know what you're doing in a multi engine, if one fails and
• 41:03
  you over control or don't control the airplane enough, it
• 41:06
  can actually do this flat spin kind of thing and kill you
• 41:09
  faster. So what happened?
• 41:11
  To cool. So yeah, so you have to be
• 41:14
  trained on how to fly a multi engine, especially in emergency
• 41:16
  situations where one engine goes goes dead.
• 41:19
  And that's why the airlines are pretty much safe because if if
• 41:22
  you have a bird strike in one engine, most likely you didn't
• 41:24
  you didn't bird strike both engines.
• 41:26
  Unless you're Sully, you know, they're still looking into what
• 41:29
  happened in Air India there because yeah, they're not really
• 41:33
  sure Let. Me ask you a.
• 41:34
  Person who lived. What?
• 41:36
  Happened to that flight that disappeared MH370.
• 41:40
  Oh, I think I know. Tell me, oh, this is this is I.
• 41:45
  Don't know breaking news this. Is like breaking news on the
• 41:47
  Chris and Mike Show. So, yeah, yeah.
• 41:50
  So my, my cousin, my cousin's husband flies for Malaysia Air.
• 41:54
  Used to, used to. He was a he was a captain on
• 41:56
  Malaysia and he was friends with that guy.
• 41:59
  He was friends with that guy. Oh, really?
• 42:00
  No. Wow, no.
• 42:04
  I'm so glad I asked this question.
• 42:05
  And so, well, the, the media kind of, and if you looked at, I
• 42:08
  don't know if you guys watched that Netflix documentary, but
• 42:11
  they kind of pinned it on The Captain.
• 42:13
  You know, they said he was having marital problems, he was
• 42:15
  depressed and like flew that flight in this flight simulator
• 42:19
  or whatever. Yep.
• 42:20
  So me and my wife went to to Malaysia last summer.
• 42:23
  I took her for the first time and we were, I was talking to my
• 42:25
  cousin's husband and he's like, he's like the only people that
• 42:31
  confiscated that flight simulator was the Malaysian
• 42:33
  government. He's like, nobody cross checked
• 42:35
  the information on that flight simulator.
• 42:37
  So no shit, whatever whatever said, whatever they said goes
• 42:41
  essentially and, and, and Malaysia Air.
• 42:43
  I mean, that's like a government subsidized airline, right?
• 42:47
  Like so like they need to protect their reputation and
• 42:49
  whatnot. But it went missing kind of by
• 42:52
  Diego Garcia military Island, which is AUS owned military
• 42:57
  island. Are you guys familiar with Diego
• 42:59
  Garcia? I only know because.
• 43:00
  I'm not familiar with Diego I. Only know because of this
• 43:03
  incident. Yeah.
• 43:04
  So the plane kind of went messing around there, correct?
• 43:09
  And and my, my daddy's company that he worked for his Freescale
• 43:13
  and there was like 20 top execs at Freescale on that plane.
• 43:17
  And there was like a patent. There was a patent pending
• 43:21
  technology that there were maybe multi governments wanted.
• 43:25
  So, so wouldn't it be convenient that Obama met met with, with
• 43:30
  Malaysia government quite frequently during that time,
• 43:33
  which is quite, quite unusual. And then the plane goes missing
• 43:36
  and then those execs are on there and everybody disappears.
• 43:39
  And then a month later, Malaysia Airline gets shot down by a
• 43:44
  Ukrainian missile or a Russian missile.
• 43:47
  With the more scientists or some shit on there like that too,
• 43:51
  right? Wasn't there like some top?
• 43:53
  On that flight, see, I don't, I'm not too sure, but it is kind
• 43:56
  of weird that like there was no wreckage found from the MH370
• 44:00
  and then all of a sudden there's wreckage from the missile that
• 44:03
  was shot down the other plane. And some, some theories are
• 44:06
  like, oh, that might be the same.
• 44:07
  They might, they might be covering up the wreckage of that
• 44:10
  plane with the wreckage of the original crash and.
• 44:13
  There's only, there's only. Two times that a plane of that
• 44:17
  size has just disappeared off the face of the Earth.
• 44:19
  Because Carl knows better than we do.
• 44:22
  But we know well enough Chris Dunham.
• 44:24
  The governments of every world know where every plane is at all
• 44:28
  times. And Australia poured a ton of
• 44:31
  money into that investigation. But what if it was a multi
• 44:34
  government cover up because. That's what I'm saying.
• 44:36
  So the two times that a plane of that size has just disintegrated
• 44:40
  into basically nothing is that and the Pentagon.
• 44:44
  Is Russia part of NATO? Is who?
• 44:48
  Russia part of NATO? They're not.
• 44:51
  They're not right. So all of a sudden they shoot,
• 44:53
  they shoot down Malaysia, maybe in retaliation.
• 44:56
  They don't get that technology. I hate NATO.
• 44:58
  That's the whole Ukrainian war. So, so you opened, you opened
• 45:02
  the door. I wanted to, you unlocked the
• 45:03
  door. I wanted to open mic about the
• 45:04
  Pentagon because I had. Many keys.
• 45:07
  The plane that hit the Pentagon, like I've always kind of
• 45:10
  questioned that. I'm not a big conspiracy
• 45:12
  theorist on a lot of things, but.
• 45:14
  Some of them are true. That, that one is, I mean, what
• 45:18
  do you think about that, Carl? That plane that hit the Pentagon
• 45:21
  completely disintegrating? Because I've seen video, because
• 45:23
  you see videos all over the place now where it looks like a
• 45:25
  like a missile going into the Pentagon.
• 45:27
  And there's no, there's no wreckage that was found in the
• 45:30
  Pentagon. There's power lines still
• 45:32
  intact. Like how did the wings not take
• 45:34
  out? Those power well, isn't it
• 45:35
  interesting that the Air India right plane crashed into the
• 45:39
  side of a building and the building still standing and the
• 45:42
  plane the back of the plane is still intact, right And it's and
• 45:45
  it's Indian construction. Thank you.
• 45:47
  I mean, Indians are my people. I mean, I'm happy.
• 45:51
  He can say, yeah, that's why I said thank you, yeah.
• 45:54
  Yeah. So, but OK, I just think it's
• 45:56
  all kind of strange. The whole 911 thing is a little
• 45:58
  strange to me. That to me, yeah, because they
• 46:01
  built those towers, because we've all watched the
• 46:03
  documentaries on that stuff. They built those powers to
• 46:04
  withstand that kind of impact. And then you have the.
• 46:08
  Only time in recorded history that an airliner has hit hit a
• 46:14
  skyscraper, right? And the skyscraper
• 46:16
  disintegrated. Yeah.
• 46:17
  I wonder if you interviewed America, what percentage of
• 46:20
  people actually believe that the story that was told to us?
• 46:23
  Because I I almost think. Zero at this point.
• 46:26
  Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't think a lot of them believe it.
• 46:29
  We should have asked. We should.
• 46:30
  We've had people on here from Australia.
• 46:32
  We asked him what he what, what they think of Americans, which
• 46:37
  was fascinating because they actually embraced our culture
• 46:41
  and stuff. Like when I think Australian, I
• 46:43
  think shrimp on the Bobby Foster's for lager, right?
• 46:47
  Good day, mate. Right.
• 46:49
  All that kind of funny stuff. But you know, there was one
• 46:51
  thing that he said about that that I picked up on Chris, that
• 46:55
  he said there's as much, you know, he appreciates the good
• 47:00
  that came out of the American culture.
• 47:02
  But it's probably not known to the whole world.
• 47:05
  But I think it's pretty common knowledge that Australians are
• 47:08
  some of the nicest, most giving. You know their culture, they
• 47:11
  take care of each other, right? Yeah, he said.
• 47:14
  Our culture is ruining that part.
• 47:16
  I picked up on that. Did you hear that?
• 47:19
  I did. I think that's sad.
• 47:21
  So you're so so you're a Malaysian.
• 47:23
  Did you grow up in a Malaysia or did you grow up in America,
• 47:25
  Carl? I grew up in America, I was born
• 47:27
  in in Malaysia, but we used to go back every summer for like
• 47:29
  2-3 months at a time. So cumulatively, I spent
• 47:32
  probably 2-3 years in Malaysia. So what's the Malaysians take on
• 47:36
  Americans? Because this, that fascinates
• 47:38
  me, like because we're in so many countries, we're trying to
• 47:39
  get people to come on from the other countries, but you know,
• 47:41
  language barrier and stuff. So every time I went back to
• 47:43
  Malaysia, like, yeah, obviously I look, I look somewhat Indian,
• 47:48
  but but they, they would detect my English accent and I always
• 47:52
  noticed like, you know, if you're, if you're like a white
• 47:54
  person in Malaysia, like, like you're treated off really.
• 47:58
  But apparently, even if you just sound like a white person,
• 48:01
  really, but now, but now it's so westernized.
• 48:05
  It's so Westernized. Like, you know, the world has
• 48:07
  really shrunk. I remember, like when we first
• 48:09
  came to America, we had no clue what Halloween was.
• 48:12
  And my mom hid us in the bathroom because there were
• 48:14
  people with mass at the door knocking.
• 48:18
  When did you come to America? In 1990, that's.
• 48:21
  Fantastic at what age? I was one, my brother was 5, and
• 48:25
  my mom was alone and in the, in the whatever apartment we were
• 48:29
  having. And she and she, yeah, she was
• 48:31
  like freaking out. Like we had no idea what
• 48:34
  Halloween was. But now, like, Halloween is like
• 48:36
  such a global thing, right? Right, that's crazy.
• 48:38
  Now put that in perspective. I just graduated high school in
• 48:42
  89. 91 OK. Yeah, I was born in 89.
• 48:46
  So there you go. Well, yeah, because you were one
• 48:48
  in 90. So yeah, you were two when I
• 48:50
  graduated. Where you go?
• 48:56
  That's crazy, man. Yeah, so the culture, the
• 48:58
  culture shift is big in Malaysia and there's an Islam country,
• 49:02
  but it's not like it's not like 90% Islam like Afghanistan.
• 49:06
  So like it's not, it's Sharia law for for Muslims, but it's
• 49:10
  not like applied to everybody. No.
• 49:13
  If you're a woman and you're Christian, you can drink at the
• 49:15
  bar. But if if you're Muslim, you're
• 49:16
  not supposed to be drinking at the bar, you know, like.
• 49:18
  And the and the and the Muslims and again, I'm I'm little
• 49:21
  ignorant about it. The women are the Muslim women
• 49:23
  that wear I forgot the. Yeah, that I think it's a hajib.
• 49:27
  Yeah. So all you see is there nothing
• 49:29
  else. That's yeah.
• 49:30
  Well, in Malaysia, like they're not even required to do that.
• 49:32
  So you'll, you'll, you'll. I see some but honestly like
• 49:35
  it's not that many anymore. OK.
• 49:38
  And Malaysia's again, my nurse with geography, Nikki, just got
• 49:41
  this tapestry map of the world. She's like, oh, this will help
• 49:44
  you, but it's for her classroom. Malaysia's an Asian country,
• 49:47
  right? Yeah.
• 49:48
  It's like Southeast Asia kind of by Thailand and.
• 49:50
  OK. So they speak Asian or they or
• 49:52
  is there? Their, their country's language
• 49:55
  is Malay, Bahasa Malaya. So, yeah, everybody's required
• 49:59
  to learn it if you're growing up there.
• 50:01
  But but it was colonized by the English.
• 50:03
  So, you know, that's how the Indians, the Indians were
• 50:06
  brought over by the British to run the railroads over there.
• 50:09
  And so a lot of everybody speaks English there.
• 50:12
  Oh, yeah, you, yeah, everybody pretty much speaks English
• 50:14
  there. Yeah.
• 50:14
  OK. But they do have some pretty
• 50:16
  harsh laws when it comes to like public intoxication drugs.
• 50:22
  Yeah, yeah, I think drug use is definitely frowned upon like,
• 50:25
  but like public intoxication, I've seen that have.
• 50:29
  You seen that personally, Carl? Have you been looking in the in
• 50:31
  the in the cell phone camera? I was like.
• 50:34
  I've been public intoxication. But you know, it's crazy,
• 50:39
  Malaysia, even though it's like a third world, I mean, it's not
• 50:42
  a third world country, but it's a developed country.
• 50:44
  But like, OK. Like you see more homeless
• 50:46
  people in America than you do in Malaysia, Like.
• 50:49
  Really. Yeah, OK.
• 50:50
  Where did you go in Malaysia? Like, what were you in?
• 50:53
  A small town? Big city?
• 50:55
  Like what kind of area? So we grew like when I went to
• 50:59
  go back in the summers to visit my grandmother, we would go to
• 51:03
  Clang, which now Clang is a pretty like, it's like not, not
• 51:08
  the greatest area. But when I went back last last
• 51:10
  summer, we would go visit these areas for family and stuff.
• 51:13
  But we stayed in like a more nicer place.
• 51:16
  Yeah. OK, So what size town?
• 51:19
  Like where's your grandmother from population wise?
• 51:23
  I don't know, let me let me Google it.
• 51:25
  Clang Malaysia. Google Machine Google.
• 51:27
  But now is all your family in Malaysia?
• 51:29
  Do you have other? Do you have immediate family
• 51:30
  here now? Now most of my mom's side is
• 51:33
  here. Wow, there's 1,000,000 people in
• 51:38
  clang. Wow, so big city.
• 51:40
  That's a big city, man. Yeah, big shit, big shit.
• 51:44
  But yeah, my dad's side still, a lot of them are over there.
• 51:47
  So when we go over there, we visit all my dad's side, but my
• 51:51
  mom's side migrate to Australia, Europe.
• 51:53
  Really. Yeah.
• 51:54
  Okay. Yeah, they were trying to get us
• 51:57
  out of there as possible. Why was that?
• 51:59
  They just didn't like what They didn't like the environment.
• 52:01
  They went to more opportunities in America.
• 52:02
  More opportunities and less biases for.
• 52:05
  Sure. Well, he said it.
• 52:06
  It is a third world country. I mean they're.
• 52:08
  Working that way. Out, but yeah.
• 52:10
  Yeah, yeah. Do they have?
• 52:12
  Do they have? You may not be able to answer
• 52:15
  this because you're not, you don't live there and stuff, but
• 52:17
  what would, what would their opinion be?
• 52:18
  You think of the president of the United States at this moment
• 52:21
  in time? I think we're not getting
• 52:23
  political. It's just a general question.
• 52:25
  Yeah, no, I think a lot of them like listen to CNN or something.
• 52:28
  I don't know. Yeah, which kind of sucks, but I
• 52:35
  don't know. I don't know why, like I don't.
• 52:37
  Yeah, but so I think their opinions are like very.
• 52:41
  But I'm like, man, you guys actually need to live here.
• 52:45
  Who? What does what does Malaysia
• 52:47
  have? Is it a is it a democracy?
• 52:49
  Like who's in charge? They say it's a democracy, but
• 52:51
  like even the last election, I mean, I, I don't know if we're
• 52:55
  too far away, but there were, there were, there was like cars
• 52:57
  bringing in a bunch of ballots at the end, right?
• 52:59
  So a lot of that, a lot of that corruption still there.
• 53:02
  It's a little puppet regime. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 53:06
  If if the opposition's winning, they'll find some way to to keep
• 53:09
  the the the the same people in power somehow.
• 53:13
  Yeah, President King. Prime Minister.
• 53:16
  Prime. Minister OK, so kind of like
• 53:17
  England, because that's how Australia is, right?
• 53:19
  They have the Prime Minister and they still answer to they still
• 53:22
  answer to Charles. So do you guys answer to Charles
• 53:24
  because you were, you were developed by British, But no,
• 53:27
  no. No, no, now we have our own
• 53:29
  thing. And then like Singapore used to
• 53:30
  be like, so it used to be Malaya.
• 53:32
  The whole thing was Malaya. Then Malaysia separated from
• 53:34
  Singapore. Singapore has gone on to to
• 53:38
  create a much larger economy than Malaysia, but they were
• 53:40
  part of the same thing at the same time, like, you know, so
• 53:43
  you can drive to Singapore from Malaysia.
• 53:45
  That's. Why I asked the question?
• 53:46
  That's awesome. Yeah, you guys, what kind of,
• 53:48
  what kind of sports are played in Malaysia?
• 53:50
  Because we're educating the world.
• 53:51
  You're educating the world now, Carl.
• 53:53
  You're educating 19 countries here and all about Malaysia. 18
• 53:56
  I'm waiting for 19 We're Malaysia white, white.
• 53:59
  Yeah, you're gonna have your, you're gonna have your, your,
• 54:01
  your dad's side of the family listen to the show.
• 54:03
  And then, oh, gosh, Carl. And then you're the third.
• 54:05
  World thing and they'll be like, Carl is not the third world,
• 54:07
  right? Right.
• 54:09
  Then you'll send us a, a, a a violent, you know, a very harsh
• 54:12
  written e-mail. We mean that in the nicest way
• 54:15
  possible. Malaysia, yeah, but Google says.
• 54:17
  No, Malaysia is not a third world.
• 54:20
  It's a Second World. It's a upper middle income
• 54:22
  country, OK. It's it's considered developing
• 54:25
  apparently. I think I said that they're
• 54:28
  working their way. That's it.
• 54:29
  Yeah. Say that, Mike.
• 54:30
  Yeah. I mean, they have the, they used
• 54:31
  to have the tallest towers in the world, the Patronus Twin
• 54:34
  Towers. That's the one point.
• 54:35
  Then the verge of the beach is now the tallest and and now
• 54:37
  they've built another one which is now I think is the second
• 54:40
  tallest tower in the world. OK, let me go on record.
• 54:42
  I apologize Malaysia. I forgot you had those bad ass
• 54:45
  buildings. They are spectacular.
• 54:48
  I apologize. Frozen building.
• 54:51
  Rock on Malaysia. There you go, Carl, so you can
• 54:54
  tell your people to listen. To us, yeah.
• 54:56
  Yeah, no, I love Malaysia. I mean, my wife loved Malaysia.
• 54:59
  We were like, I was thinking like maybe I should go fly from
• 55:01
  Malaysian Airlines. A lot of the work through my
• 55:04
  head. What's the climate?
• 55:06
  What's the climate like? It's like Florida, it's very
• 55:09
  humid. All the time.
• 55:11
  Pretty much all the time, yeah. So you'll get tropical storms
• 55:13
  and stuff. I think my skin likes humidity.
• 55:16
  So to speak. No, no, no seasons.
• 55:20
  Yeah, you can go into a higher elevation and it's a little bit
• 55:23
  cooler, but it's pretty much like Florida.
• 55:26
  OK. Yeah.
• 55:28
  Do you guys have Americanized restaurants like McDonald's and
• 55:31
  Arby's and Burger King and stuff?
• 55:33
  Yeah, they even. Have real food, really.
• 55:35
  But they have real food, right? Because you don't, you don't.
• 55:37
  We're big on. We've had a lot of people on the
• 55:40
  show that are all health and fitness and health and Wellness
• 55:43
  and stuff, and we've talked about the fact that the
• 55:47
  countries outside of America would not accept the food that
• 55:50
  Americans eat because of they're so it's so bad.
• 55:52
  Like Nikki and IA Little about a month ago now, we stopped from
• 55:56
  talking to Nathan and Peter. We stopped bad carbs and
• 56:01
  starches and crackers. Did you do you know what's in a
• 56:03
  Ritz cracker, Pete Carl? Because it's insane, man.
• 56:06
  It's absolutely insane. Go to my Instagram, go to my
• 56:10
  Instagram and watch the reel about Ritz crackers, man.
• 56:13
  It'll blow your mind. It is crazy.
• 56:16
  I'm hungry, yeah. No, no, no, no, you can't.
• 56:21
  Ritz bad and it's it's. Bad.
• 56:22
  But see, here's here's the thing.
• 56:24
  Here's the struggle with it. Because the convenience of a
• 56:26
  tortilla and the convenience of a sandwich.
• 56:28
  Like when I'm doing yard work like I did today, I came inside
• 56:32
  and I'm like, what do I eat? Because we don't need bread.
• 56:34
  We don't have tortillas. Now let me tell you the
• 56:37
  distinction right there that I just heard.
• 56:38
  OK, I agree with you on the convenience of the bread.
• 56:42
  Yeah. But I fucking love a tortilla.
• 56:45
  I do too. I mean, like, love, you know,
• 56:48
  And then I love what's inside and I'm like.
• 56:51
  You like Chipotle? Yeah.
• 56:53
  Just yeah, whatever you put inside, I make breakfast.
• 56:56
  Burritos. I do.
• 56:58
  I do too. There's love inside that
• 57:00
  tortilla, and the tortilla is delicious and it's that it's one
• 57:03
  with me. I just can't give up my
• 57:05
  tortilla. Right.
• 57:06
  Well, see, now I have I have egg wraps, but a problem with an egg
• 57:08
  wrap it's only about the circumference of.
• 57:11
  And Peter told us that. Like a like, yeah, like a like a
• 57:15
  10 LB weight weight, OK, because people explain.
• 57:18
  So you can see like an egg wrap is just about the circumference
• 57:20
  of a 10 LB weight you put on when you go work out, right?
• 57:23
  That's that's it. It's not big, right?
• 57:27
  So I've had those. But like today I had, I realized
• 57:30
  we still had tuna. So I actually just dumped 2
• 57:32
  packets of tuna fish in a bowl and put Mayo, mustard and spun
• 57:35
  it up. And that was my lunch.
• 57:36
  But and it's satisfied, but it wasn't the same as having the
• 57:41
  burrito man because the Portilla you just you jonesing for that.
• 57:44
  Like since we stopped since we stopped like no, no lie.
• 57:48
  Nikki are doing dance lessons Mondays and Thursdays.
• 57:54
  Yeah, and twice now we've stopped after dance lessons and
• 57:56
  went to Filbertos because this just go extremely bad that way.
• 58:01
  Wait, so you're doing no carbs? No carbs.
• 58:04
  We're not doing no carbs, we're doing, we're doing no, no bad
• 58:07
  starch. So no breads, no tortillas, no
• 58:09
  crackers, because it's all refined and stuff.
• 58:12
  Oh, got it. So we're focused more on because
• 58:15
  the inflammation that it causes and all of the bad stuff that
• 58:18
  comes with it. So we just decided to try it for
• 58:20
  a couple weeks and then. Have you noticed?
• 58:23
  When I do something, I just. Do oh, he's noticed.
• 58:25
  Like huge. He just asked if he noticed
• 58:27
  anything. Yeah.
• 58:28
  Oh, yeah, yeah, I have. I have a degenerating vertebrae
• 58:31
  in my neck to the point that we stopped running because it it
• 58:35
  was so jacked up and and I'm a runner.
• 58:38
  Like we were going to run the Marine Corps Marathon in
• 58:40
  October, like we've probably done 60 half marathons.
• 58:44
  Like we legit we were runners. But once I the short version of
• 58:47
  the longest story stress fraction my foot, I wore a boot
• 58:50
  fate months that throw me off all of the the cardio stuff
• 58:55
  getting back into it once I was released and healthy and the
• 58:57
  bone was healed was good for, I don't know, maybe a month or
• 59:01
  two. And then all of a sudden I
• 59:02
  started noticing some more pain going on because it's everything
• 59:05
  has shifted a little bit because it wasn't generating anyway.
• 59:08
  So all the bad starches and, and the enriched, the enriched food
• 59:11
  and stuff, it creates inflammation.
• 59:13
  So the inflammation, the tingling and the numbness and
• 59:15
  the pain in the neck stopped pretty much 95% of it went away.
• 59:20
  So I was like, OK, so that's, that's a good thing to stay away
• 59:23
  from. I mean, like I said, we still
• 59:25
  kind of fell off the wagon and had Filbertos a couple nights
• 59:28
  and burgers aren't that hard, you know?
• 59:32
  It's just you, you go have a burger and you just hold the
• 59:35
  button, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 59:38
  And then I'm. OK with.
• 59:39
  I mean, I could probably live without a Bono.
• 59:42
  My hamburger. Yeah, man.
• 59:45
  Giving up the thought of giving up tortillas.
• 59:46
  I just don't. I know it's hard.
• 59:47
  I just don't think it's going to happen.
• 59:50
  I don't see why I should. Well, I'll tell you what you can
• 59:53
  be. Hundreds of years old.
• 59:55
  Right, You can keep the tortillas, get rid of the vape
• 59:57
  because a whole new thing came out about vaping.
• 1:00:00
  And. The popcorn lung is the real
• 1:00:02
  thing. That's crazy, is that is vaping
• 1:00:05
  the same as E cigs or is that different?
• 1:00:07
  So it's the same concept. Thing it is.
• 1:00:10
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  What? Yeah, he's smoking a cigarette,
• 1:00:12
  basically on a vape. Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  OK, Yeah, yeah, I've never been a big smoker or anything, or a
• 1:00:17
  vapor. That's good.
• 1:00:18
  Well, you're from Malaysia, you have hook, but you have hookahs
• 1:00:21
  in Malaysia. You.
• 1:00:21
  Just naturally inhale smoke and just walking outside.
• 1:00:27
  Right. In Arizona, it's common.
• 1:00:32
  He's walking to the haze. It's.
• 1:00:34
  Very polluted in the valley, I'll give you.
• 1:00:36
  That it is so sports. What kind of sports are in
• 1:00:40
  Malaysia? Is it?
• 1:00:40
  Is it? Is it?
• 1:00:42
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Soccer. Soccer.
• 1:00:43
  Yeah, I was going to say soccer, but football, right?
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, yeah, they're really big into the English league over
• 1:00:47
  there. That's like, huge.
• 1:00:49
  Nothing else. No baseball, basketball, none of
• 1:00:51
  that. I think the Indians are really
• 1:00:52
  into cricket and badminton. Badminton's huge.
• 1:00:54
  Too Badminton's. Huge.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah, Really. They love cricket.
• 1:00:59
  Indians love cricket for sure. Yeah, that's huge.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah, that's a huge thing. But you know that going back to
• 1:01:05
  the food thing with Malaysia, Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  It's like baseball, kind of put it.
• 1:01:09
  Going on. OK, OK, OK.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah, go back to. Food.
• 1:01:11
  I don't think there's like. A never ends, yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Well, I was just thinking about the food in Malaysia.
• 1:01:15
  You know, what we noticed is like, you know how here in
• 1:01:18
  America, it's like if you go out to eat, it's gonna cost you
• 1:01:20
  more. But in Malaysia, you can
• 1:01:22
  actually go out to eat and it's like cheaper to go.
• 1:01:25
  It's like if you go to go to like the street foods, right?
• 1:01:29
  Like. That's why I was going to ask
• 1:01:30
  the street vendors. Yeah, the street vendors, you
• 1:01:32
  get chicken rice, man, like perfect macros, like like
• 1:01:35
  chicken pure, pure ingredients. It's like, oh, it's so good.
• 1:01:38
  And you're paying like literally like $1.50 USD.
• 1:01:42
  So so you do that three times a day, you're like less than like
• 1:01:45
  4 bucks or 5 bucks or whatever and you're eating great food
• 1:01:49
  literally for 5 bucks USD you can eat like really good and.
• 1:01:53
  OK, so what's what, what's the chicken rice in in Malaysia?
• 1:01:56
  What's that meal? Oh, she's.
• 1:01:57
  Like a it's rice some some like a black sweet, like soy sauce,
• 1:02:01
  cucumbers, some we call it sambal, which is like, just like
• 1:02:04
  a little spicy sauce that you can you can have it with it, but
• 1:02:07
  then like the chicken, you know, like a lot of chicken like
• 1:02:09
  sounds. Delicious.
• 1:02:11
  It's my. It's my.
• 1:02:12
  Favorite dude? Yeah, because see Mike's, Mike's
• 1:02:14
  in Illinois. So it's what is it 610 there?
• 1:02:16
  So he's he's knocking on the door.
• 1:02:19
  And here's the other thing that I hear.
• 1:02:21
  So Chris knows this and the people listening because I've
• 1:02:23
  said it probably 1000 times, but I'm allergic to dairy.
• 1:02:26
  So like, I gravitated towards Mexican food when I moved to
• 1:02:30
  Arizona because contrary to popular belief, people from
• 1:02:33
  Mexico don't use cheese like Americans do in Mexican food.
• 1:02:37
  If they use cheese, they use goat cheese.
• 1:02:40
  Oh, yeah, Yeah. But a lot of times they just
• 1:02:42
  sands the cheese. You know, it's just in your
• 1:02:45
  burrito is beans and rice and, you know, the meat, whatever you
• 1:02:48
  want. The same thing goes for any kind
• 1:02:52
  of Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian. Now you're talking Malaysian.
• 1:02:56
  And everything you said sounds so good, especially to me,
• 1:02:59
  because those are things I know I can eat without worrying about
• 1:03:02
  getting sick, right? There's no dairy in any of that
• 1:03:05
  stuff. And we ate like crazy for two
• 1:03:08
  weeks. Like like we ate like crazy and
• 1:03:10
  I came back and I gained 2 lbs Really.
• 1:03:13
  I was like, that's it. I thought I was going to gain
• 1:03:15
  like 12 lbs dude when I came back.
• 1:03:17
  But I think it is because they don't use the the same food
• 1:03:20
  processing that we used here in the States.
• 1:03:23
  I don't know what we do to our food.
• 1:03:24
  Like, well, Chris just said, so the things that he's trying to
• 1:03:27
  avoid is any kind of processed food.
• 1:03:30
  So what Peter and Nate both kind of they had a little differing
• 1:03:35
  opinion, but the one thing that we agreed on is you want to
• 1:03:39
  stick with one or two ingredients in the main.
• 1:03:42
  You know, like Peter was saying no rice and I freaked out about
• 1:03:45
  that too, right, because I love my I love my Mexican rice and I
• 1:03:48
  just love rice in general. Right as a bed to what Carl just
• 1:03:53
  said. Chicken.
• 1:03:54
  Pork. Well, that was my that's that
• 1:03:57
  was essentially my lunch every day was it was a chicken rice
• 1:03:59
  burrito with Sriracha sauce and and some cheese in there.
• 1:04:02
  And that's like like when I came in from from doing yard work,
• 1:04:05
  that's what I would have made or I would have had one made.
• 1:04:07
  I would make 3 or 4 Sunday night and have them throughout the
• 1:04:10
  week, especially when I get done working out.
• 1:04:12
  I'd come home and eat the, you know, the protein burrito.
• 1:04:15
  But the problem is, is I have the same thing that Chris has
• 1:04:18
  where we have degenerative disc disease and any kind of
• 1:04:21
  processed food like that, especially bread crackers, the
• 1:04:25
  bad starches that he named, they cause horrible inflammation in
• 1:04:29
  your joints. So that was that whole podcast
• 1:04:32
  was basically about that subject.
• 1:04:33
  Anybody that's listening, go listen to the Peter Ho and Nate
• 1:04:36
  Palmer, any of those interviews. That's exactly what that's about
• 1:04:40
  is. Conversations, conversations.
• 1:04:44
  We don't have interviews. There are conversations on the
• 1:04:46
  Chris and Mike Show. I I walked right into that.
• 1:04:49
  Car you walked right into that I had.
• 1:04:51
  Bitched about that from the get go.
• 1:04:56
  I got to, I got to go, I got to go move a port.
• 1:04:58
  So you guys continue the conversation.
• 1:05:01
  I, I, I did walk right into that one.
• 1:05:05
  You know, we're not doing interviews, man.
• 1:05:07
  We're just, you know, like when we're sitting around and you'll
• 1:05:09
  appreciate this after band practice sitting around talking
• 1:05:13
  to your brothers, man. You know, those are some of my
• 1:05:16
  favorite conversations, dude, because you could talk about
• 1:05:20
  anything from how do you buy a house to do you think that we're
• 1:05:25
  alone here? You know, you mean like, no
• 1:05:30
  dude, like in general, you know, in the universe, those kind of
• 1:05:34
  conversations. You know.
• 1:05:36
  I would be the one saying you mean like here, just in the
• 1:05:38
  house. Like you think there's a ghost.
• 1:05:40
  No, I mean like in the universe. Well, that's a great question
• 1:05:44
  because, like, you know, now all that alien stuff is coming out
• 1:05:46
  on Netflix, and it's like, OK, it really makes you think.
• 1:05:49
  And then I had a pilot that flew with me last week that swears
• 1:05:52
  he's like, I don't even tell people this, but during my
• 1:05:54
  training, which was close to, you know, Luke Air Force Base,
• 1:05:58
  Seder area, just just West of Deer Valley, he said he saw a
• 1:06:03
  basketball sized orb fly under his right wing.
• 1:06:08
  And how do you, how do you discount You said it at the
• 1:06:11
  beginning when you came on the show.
• 1:06:14
  These kind of things are for what we all in society like to
• 1:06:18
  call above average intelligent individuals, right?
• 1:06:21
  So yeah, when you. Have a sheriff's deputy call in
• 1:06:24
  saying I don't know what I'm looking at, but here's what I'm
• 1:06:26
  looking at. Or, like you said, a bona fide
• 1:06:29
  pilot who has no reason to say anything for fear of losing
• 1:06:34
  their license due to insanity. Right.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I hear it from my own
• 1:06:39
  father has had experiences that have caused me to have to
• 1:06:43
  believe in things that I probably wouldn't believe
• 1:06:46
  otherwise. Because he's a no nonsense kind
• 1:06:48
  of guy, man. He's common sense to the bone.
• 1:06:51
  You know, here's the way shit's going to be.
• 1:06:53
  And you know, I've, I've said a million times on this show, he
• 1:06:56
  never had to yell. He never had to hit us.
• 1:06:58
  He's 6 foot four and he's got a lot of common sense.
• 1:07:02
  So you can't argue with somebody who's been there, done that, you
• 1:07:05
  know? Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  And he saw stuff. Oh, he's had encounters with
• 1:07:10
  ghosts. He saw a UFO on his way to a
• 1:07:13
  fishing trip, like close encounter, not just like out
• 1:07:17
  and, you know, bright light, that whole kind of what people
• 1:07:20
  describe. So I guess it could be like, I
• 1:07:24
  mean, it could be advanced technology that humans made, I
• 1:07:27
  mean, but it just can't be nothing.
• 1:07:29
  Like it just can't be nothing. When we, you know, like when him
• 1:07:32
  and I go down that rabbit hole together when we're riding in
• 1:07:34
  the car, you know, just wherever at the casino or hanging out,
• 1:07:38
  just me and him, you know, talking like guy stuff.
• 1:07:43
  How do you know that it's not just especially like things like
• 1:07:46
  Bigfoot because they never found evidence, right?
• 1:07:48
  So how do you know that's not an interdimensional being?
• 1:07:52
  And every now and then there's, you know, Sedona's one of those
• 1:07:55
  natural vortexes, right? It's one of the seven wonders of
• 1:07:57
  the world. They say as far as energy goes.
• 1:08:00
  And I've been there and I experienced it.
• 1:08:02
  And it's not, it's not bullshit. There's something different
• 1:08:06
  about that spot on the earth because I've been beautiful and
• 1:08:11
  you feel different. I felt like I was weightless
• 1:08:14
  there as far as stress and. Wow.
• 1:08:17
  Fascinating. Just one weekend.
• 1:08:19
  There's that in the window. One weekend I remembered it
• 1:08:24
  forever, so you know. Wow, can't.
• 1:08:26
  Say that about a lot of places. But that's a great airport, by
• 1:08:29
  the way, if you have a little plane to fly into Sedona.
• 1:08:31
  I bet it's got to be beautiful. Oh, it's one of the top, I would
• 1:08:34
  say probably top five airports in the country to fly into.
• 1:08:37
  If they ever want to pay a stupid money to keep doing this
• 1:08:40
  podcast, believe me, that's where I'll park my ass.
• 1:08:42
  Oh yeah, that'll be great. I love that place.
• 1:08:47
  You know, I've never really explored Sedona in that kind of
• 1:08:49
  manner, but maybe, maybe next time I have to be more
• 1:08:51
  cognizant. Of it, I can't recommend it
• 1:08:53
  enough and it's right up the road from me.
• 1:08:55
  I'm like 1800 miles away now. Like what did you do to feel
• 1:08:58
  that? Like to feel that?
• 1:09:00
  Just be in there man. OK.
• 1:09:02
  We went down and checked out like the Red Rocks and, you
• 1:09:06
  know, that Canyon tour, whatever.
• 1:09:09
  We kind of, yeah. And just going into the shops
• 1:09:12
  and talking to the people, more so than anything, the people
• 1:09:16
  that actually live there on a day-to-day basis, you can tell
• 1:09:20
  the people who are there for the wrong reasons versus the people
• 1:09:23
  that are there for the right reasons.
• 1:09:25
  And I'm not sure I ran into any people that were there for the
• 1:09:27
  wrong reasons. You know they.
• 1:09:29
  'D like to tell you about the history of it and how they ended
• 1:09:32
  up there and just that seventh wonder of the world thing, you
• 1:09:37
  know? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Well, I definitely got to be a little bit more aware because I
• 1:09:40
  do love Sedona. I think it's a beautiful place,
• 1:09:42
  but I guess I never had that feeling.
• 1:09:45
  I, I, I have that feeling a lot in the beaches like like Florida
• 1:09:49
  or or Hawaii. Hawaii, definitely.
• 1:09:53
  For some reason, it's just like every beach.
• 1:09:57
  You can find a peaceful beach in Hawaii.
• 1:09:58
  You can find a violent beach in Hawaii.
• 1:10:00
  You can find the geography. Like for some reason, Hawaii
• 1:10:03
  kind of has that effect That sounds like that that Sedona has
• 1:10:06
  on you. For me and what I guess my point
• 1:10:08
  was, I think maybe if there is all these dimensions that
• 1:10:12
  physicists have now told us are there, you know, especially
• 1:10:16
  quantum physicists. I like where this went.
• 1:10:18
  Well, we were talking about the difference between like, ghosts
• 1:10:21
  and aliens. And I'm starting to wonder if,
• 1:10:25
  you know, like the flip side of some of these conspiracy
• 1:10:28
  theories aren't true in that are we living in a simulation?
• 1:10:31
  You know, a lot of these things would make sense, but the
• 1:10:36
  dimensions for me answer way more questions because these
• 1:10:40
  things might be so thin at those spots that literally that energy
• 1:10:44
  is right next to right. So now you're feeling that next
• 1:10:47
  dimension. Maybe that's all about love and
• 1:10:50
  unconditional love and everybody's happy and, you know,
• 1:10:54
  Donald Trump loves everybody and.
• 1:10:57
  So there's a big, beautiful bill.
• 1:10:59
  Instead of mean things you know. It's a big, beautiful bill.
• 1:11:01
  Everybody's going. To love.
• 1:11:02
  It Bill, it's beautiful. It's beautiful.
• 1:11:06
  But instead, in that dimension, he's saying on page 39, here's
• 1:11:10
  where I'm going to fuck you, right?
• 1:11:12
  Or here's where Congress is going to fuck you.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah, but let's be honest, every, every, every president,
• 1:11:18
  all they all have their own bills.
• 1:11:21
  Everybody's got their agenda, right?
• 1:11:23
  They all got their legacies that they want to pass.
• 1:11:25
  And then it it ends up. It just has nothing to do with
• 1:11:28
  the three people who are talking on this podcast.
• 1:11:31
  Well, and that's kind of what I posted the other day, like
• 1:11:33
  protest. I know I love.
• 1:11:34
  You all you want, right? Protest all you want, but just
• 1:11:37
  you're destroying. Don't wreck other people shit.
• 1:11:40
  Right, right. You're destroying families,
• 1:11:42
  legacies. You're destroying families that
• 1:11:44
  have worked hard and just trying to make a living and make their
• 1:11:46
  life better. Talk about real, raw and
• 1:11:48
  relevant. We are literally talking to
• 1:11:50
  somebody who immigrated to this country.
• 1:11:52
  His mother made a better life for her family.
• 1:11:55
  He became a productive member of society.
• 1:11:58
  Not everybody that comes here. I was wondering if you guys
• 1:12:00
  were? Talking about.
• 1:12:04
  But that's, but that's the that's the thing.
• 1:12:06
  That's what strikes me about the riots and and.
• 1:12:08
  No, really. I mean, actually, you're an
• 1:12:10
  immigrant, right? Your.
• 1:12:12
  Mother came here, she made a better life for herself.
• 1:12:14
  You became a productive member of society.
• 1:12:17
  I want the people listening to the podcast who maybe don't
• 1:12:19
  think the way I do so open mindedly in the way the all
• 1:12:22
  three of us do that, you know, not everybody that comes here is
• 1:12:27
  coming here for the wrong reasons.
• 1:12:28
  Most of them are coming here for the right reasons.
• 1:12:30
  Yeah, Nikki Nikki's family, immigrants, they came over this
• 1:12:33
  whole. Country is founded on
• 1:12:34
  immigrants. Don't get me down that rabbit
• 1:12:36
  hole. No, well, no, but and and they
• 1:12:37
  were the Italian immigrants, so like legit they built the East
• 1:12:41
  Coast. Yeah, I would love to explore
• 1:12:45
  the East Coast because I feel like everybody that's been in
• 1:12:47
  New York and Jersey and everything, there's like a
• 1:12:49
  different energy there. And I'm like, I haven't
• 1:12:51
  experienced that yet. I need to I need to go
• 1:12:53
  experience that well. The fun thing about New York
• 1:12:55
  when we were there is we didn't drink as much water, man.
• 1:12:58
  What do you drink? Wine.
• 1:12:59
  We just didn't drink. We didn't.
• 1:13:01
  We didn't feel the need in Arizona.
• 1:13:05
  This this, this is like probably the 10th glass of water today.
• 1:13:08
  It's so dry. It's so dry.
• 1:13:09
  Right. So you're constantly.
• 1:13:11
  You're constantly. It's not here today, Carl.
• 1:13:13
  It's like 98% humidity. Over there where you're.
• 1:13:16
  At Yeah, we got a front moving in.
• 1:13:19
  Oh my gosh, You know, I think my skin is like made for humidity
• 1:13:23
  just because I was born in that climate.
• 1:13:24
  Every time I go back to Florida. For humidity, because it's good
• 1:13:27
  for you, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's probably
• 1:13:29
  true. But when it gets excessive, it's
• 1:13:31
  hard to breathe. Yeah, we're we're this is our
• 1:13:33
  next 5 days. And Carl you may not know this
• 1:13:35
  or not, but one O 8 today 1101141O91-O2 then it drops
• 1:13:39
  Sunday. Oh, good to a calm 98°.
• 1:13:43
  Like. Three with 65% humidity.
• 1:13:46
  There you go, Carl. We don't.
• 1:13:48
  See where? Humidity is.
• 1:13:50
  That's probably exactly what you had about every day, right?
• 1:13:52
  87. 7% humidity. 60 to 80% humidity.
• 1:13:58
  Yeah, yeah, you, you would be drenched in your shirt.
• 1:14:00
  You would have to change your shirt 3-4 times a day.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah. That's how that's here, Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  No bueno. That is no.
• 1:14:06
  Bueno. Yeah, I guess it would be harder
• 1:14:08
  to control mold and stuff, but. Well, Jake, my son was in Japan,
• 1:14:12
  OK and stationed in Japan for a couple years during He's still a
• 1:14:16
  Marine, but he was in Japan for a couple years and we actually
• 1:14:18
  Nikki sent him stuff that would help keep things dry because of
• 1:14:22
  the. You know.
• 1:14:24
  And so we never really dove deep in that.
• 1:14:28
  Did you? Did you guys deep into the
• 1:14:29
  conversation with him when he was on the show, Mike, about
• 1:14:32
  Japan's weather? Because I never really talked.
• 1:14:34
  I don't think we talked weather that time.
• 1:14:37
  We just saw. But the one thing that I will
• 1:14:39
  say is Carl's right. So like if I didn't have central
• 1:14:41
  air or like, you know, people that don't have central air,
• 1:14:46
  which is not uncommon here, they'll have multiple window
• 1:14:49
  units. Because you're right, man, in
• 1:14:51
  the summertime, if you don't have air conditioning,
• 1:14:53
  everything will mold. Oh, I see.
• 1:14:57
  The lady that put the air conditioning in this house, my
• 1:14:59
  mom was, well, still is really good friends with her and that's
• 1:15:04
  what inspired her to put Central Air in.
• 1:15:06
  As my mom said, we had a horrible summer where it was,
• 1:15:09
  you know, like over 100 heat index every day, and she came
• 1:15:12
  home from work one day and the whole front of her cabinets were
• 1:15:15
  all full of mold. Mold.
• 1:15:17
  Yeah, just from being oppressive, humidity for days
• 1:15:20
  and days and days, yeah. That's the that's the downside,
• 1:15:25
  I suppose. You.
• 1:15:26
  Got to have central air. That's what keeps your house
• 1:15:28
  from molding. So does Malaysia have
• 1:15:31
  electricity? Yes, you know what we allow we
• 1:15:37
  have we have those like you know, I don't know why they
• 1:15:40
  don't do it more in America, but they have like the the
• 1:15:42
  individual units like the AC units in each room.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah, which which I think is actually more effective and
• 1:15:47
  easier to maintain because like if one of those breaks down,
• 1:15:49
  it's like way cheaper than if the whole central.
• 1:15:51
  No, I agree. Yeah, I have a client in Cave
• 1:15:54
  Creek that they put, I forget what they're called, but he
• 1:15:56
  legit put one of those in every single room of the house, every
• 1:15:59
  single room split. I forget what they're called.
• 1:16:00
  I want to say split system, but I don't think that's right.
• 1:16:03
  I know you talk about the white things.
• 1:16:04
  Yeah, yes, on the. Top of the wall.
• 1:16:07
  Yes, yeah, I know exactly. People say their eyes, but I
• 1:16:11
  think they look fine. No, I don't think they look bad
• 1:16:13
  at all. No, I think if you just, if you
• 1:16:16
  can dress them up a little bit, you know, you put some waves on
• 1:16:18
  them, you know, maybe a little characters, you know, little
• 1:16:23
  little flames would be cool. Maybe a little.
• 1:16:25
  You know, maybe put flames. On things you know.
• 1:16:27
  My conspiracy mind is that it's that you can get a bigger ticket
• 1:16:31
  item for a fix on a on a huge AC system than just one of those
• 1:16:34
  little ones, you know? And the same thing with water
• 1:16:37
  heaters, like in Malaysia, there's electric water heaters.
• 1:16:40
  So they don't have big tanks that are heating up a bunch of
• 1:16:43
  water. It's just every shower head has
• 1:16:45
  a box like this big. Well, you know.
• 1:16:48
  Why? And you just press the button
• 1:16:49
  and the electricity, and the electricity instantly heats up
• 1:16:51
  the water that flows through it. Seriously.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. And so I'm like.
• 1:16:55
  Wow, that's way more. Next time you go to Malaysia,
• 1:16:57
  take a picture of that and send it to me.
• 1:16:59
  Oh yeah, I'd be interested. I'd be interested to see I.
• 1:17:01
  Probably can just Google it and send it to you, but.
• 1:17:03
  But that's not as fun. He wants to get a live picture
• 1:17:07
  from. Drop $2000 on an Airtech.
• 1:17:09
  You, just like Mara. Chris wants us to go to Malaysia
• 1:17:11
  and I can take a picture of the water heater in the shower.
• 1:17:13
  It's got to be legitimate, right?
• 1:17:14
  OK, OK, honey, let's go. You got to be in person
• 1:17:18
  pictures. Right, you know, I want a
• 1:17:20
  selfie, man. Here it is, Chris.
• 1:17:22
  Just point to like this is the micro Harris click.
• 1:17:25
  And he wants the timestamp to say whatever city Malaysia.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah, so then I can see it. That's hilarious.
• 1:17:33
  That would be awesome. That would be.
• 1:17:34
  Awesome. That's the way we roll it, man.
• 1:17:36
  Oh my gosh, he. Can write it off.
• 1:17:38
  He can write it off. He's just, you know, just say
• 1:17:40
  it's for real estate, you know, but I had a client that wanted
• 1:17:43
  to understand what. The.
• 1:17:45
  Landing client A. Water heater was in in in a
• 1:17:50
  Malaysian bathroom because they wanted to build a house in
• 1:17:53
  Arizona that matched that concept.
• 1:17:56
  So you know. I just got you a free trip, man.
• 1:17:59
  You're. Welcome.
• 1:17:59
  That's true. Thank you.
• 1:18:00
  You're good. I'm sure waiting for my tickets.
• 1:18:06
  Now when you when you go back to Malaysia, do you ever play, do
• 1:18:08
  you ever play music in Malaysia? Like go to a bar and just jam
• 1:18:11
  out like a couple of like. Sash No, I play for like family
• 1:18:15
  members, but I don't think I played I played in a music
• 1:18:17
  store. You know the thing about
• 1:18:18
  Malaysia, they're very good musicians like like you can't
• 1:18:22
  like I feel like I can get away with some mediocre performances
• 1:18:25
  here, correct. But in Malaysia you will get
• 1:18:28
  like you would get torn down, you know, like there's so many
• 1:18:31
  good so. They know good from bad.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah, yeah, I think, I think Americans, which I love, are a
• 1:18:37
  little bit kinder, you know, yeah, Asians, not so much.
• 1:18:41
  They they kind of just say it like how it is.
• 1:18:44
  So you. Suck.
• 1:18:45
  They're gonna tell you you suck. Yeah, yeah, they won't.
• 1:18:47
  They won't pat you on the back and say good job.
• 1:18:49
  I feel like that the most terrible.
• 1:18:52
  That's crazy. So our our Australian friend was
• 1:18:55
  on and they like totally embrace American Music.
• 1:18:58
  Does Malaysia embrace American Music?
• 1:18:59
  Oh yeah, Top 40. Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:19:02
  You can hear the same Top 40. Is there, is there anybody we
• 1:19:04
  would know that came out of Malaysia from a, from a musician
• 1:19:07
  standpoint? Guy Sebastian, he won Australian
• 1:19:09
  Idol. He he's pretty.
• 1:19:12
  He's pretty famous in the pop world.
• 1:19:15
  OK, are. They big in the how do I are
• 1:19:18
  they big in like the K pop scene or is that more?
• 1:19:21
  Korea, I think, I think there's because Malaysia is kind of like
• 1:19:24
  a melting pot. We have Chinese, India and
• 1:19:26
  Malays. Yeah, yeah, I think K pops like
• 1:19:30
  my my cousins, they like K pop a lot and.
• 1:19:33
  So K pop is just Korean pop music or is it K pop?
• 1:19:36
  Is that's where it originated, Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Korean Pop. Their style of boy band, kind
• 1:19:42
  of. I'm probably Butcher.
• 1:19:43
  Very intense training. Yeah, dude, it's they're amazing
• 1:19:48
  musicians. He's.
• 1:19:49
  He can't be any. Ridiculously fucking good.
• 1:19:53
  I was introduced to this whole scene by a girl I work with and
• 1:19:56
  she's like, totally into it. Knows as much about that as I do
• 1:20:01
  about Hard Rock and heavy metal, you know?
• 1:20:04
  And I like to, you know, I like to think of myself as educated
• 1:20:07
  and worldly, especially when it comes to music.
• 1:20:09
  So I'm sure as much as she thought she was boring me, I'm
• 1:20:13
  like, no, tell me all about it. I mean, it may not be my scene,
• 1:20:16
  but I want to know about it, you know?
• 1:20:18
  And I was fascinated at how she'll show me these TikTok
• 1:20:21
  videos of their music and then them playing like a Metallica
• 1:20:26
  song on their guitar, you know, and their note for note,
• 1:20:29
  probably better than the band. Wow.
• 1:20:32
  They are very intense with the practice and they're like,
• 1:20:36
  there's a great documentary on Netflix now called Dirty Pop.
• 1:20:39
  It's about Lou Perlin. Did you see it?
• 1:20:41
  I saw that I. Did dude, what did you think
• 1:20:43
  about that? What did you think about that?
• 1:20:45
  I just, I mean, it's all about the money, right?
• 1:20:47
  That's what he did it for. All about the money.
• 1:20:49
  I think so, but then I'm going. To have to watch.
• 1:20:52
  His. His.
• 1:20:53
  Scheme, Mike, you got to watch it, dude.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah, you guys need to talk about it after you watch it,
• 1:20:58
  because there's aspects almost of Lou, Lou Pearlman, the guy
• 1:21:01
  that I actually admire. True, because he built he.
• 1:21:05
  I don't know if. You feel the same way, but.
• 1:21:07
  I do because he took, he took, he took, he took nothing and
• 1:21:10
  made it into. This it was his vision, right?
• 1:21:12
  Yes but but yeah, he built Backstreet Boys and and Snake.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah, I'm familiar with who he. Is OK.
• 1:21:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but then the.
• 1:21:20
  You guys can talk about it. I know the whole story behind
• 1:21:22
  Ron or Luke. Perlman, Luke Perlman.
• 1:21:24
  Oh, OK. Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  So, I mean, he built these, like, these amazing boy bands
• 1:21:28
  and then he got sued out of their contracts and then still
• 1:21:30
  went on to build some fairly big boy bands like O Town and LFO.
• 1:21:34
  Like they were fairly successful.
• 1:21:36
  So who? Shoot him the guys in the band.
• 1:21:39
  Yes, **NSYNC and Backstreet Boys student.
• 1:21:42
  They they got what was there was a they got platinum right
• 1:21:45
  million million sale for. Sure.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah. I think they generated $200
• 1:21:49
  million in sales in revenue and they gave them 10 grand each. 10
• 1:21:52
  grand each, fuck. Right.
• 1:21:54
  And then so but the. But The thing is, they were so
• 1:21:56
  naive about it because they. Were so I didn't know.
• 1:21:58
  I got AI, got a $10,000. Check.
• 1:22:00
  Yeah, you would think you would make it like 100 LB grand each
• 1:22:02
  to to try to like lengthen this, this deal out a little bit more.
• 1:22:05
  But yeah, he kind of threw it himself there.
• 1:22:07
  Right. And then and then the one, I
• 1:22:09
  forget who it was, but he had worked at at Texas Roadhouse or
• 1:22:12
  something equivalent to that. And so he was like showing this
• 1:22:14
  $10,000 check. They're like, dude, you make
• 1:22:16
  more than that in a year here. And that's when it kind of
• 1:22:19
  dawned on him like, wait a minute.
• 1:22:21
  But the way he treated, but the way he treated them was like
• 1:22:24
  like first class all the way, like all the way.
• 1:22:28
  They wondered for nothing, except they got this.
• 1:22:31
  Can you imagine working for a whole year for nothing like?
• 1:22:34
  For 10 grand. For 10 grand.
• 1:22:35
  And playing out the sold out show.
• 1:22:37
  And they worked hard. Oh, Oh my God, they work hard.
• 1:22:40
  The, the, the, the time we talked about this before, Mike,
• 1:22:43
  the time and effort that you got to put into the, you know, like
• 1:22:47
  rock bands. Don't we all know for graphing
• 1:22:48
  and stuff. But we watched, we watched, I
• 1:22:51
  saw a thing with Bruno Mars with his prepper for his upcoming
• 1:22:53
  tour he was on or he's currently doing the behind the scenes of
• 1:22:57
  what he does. It's just insane.
• 1:23:00
  And I never thought about it. I never put it together that all
• 1:23:02
  that dancing has to be choreographed in practice right
• 1:23:08
  time and time again. Like you could just like I
• 1:23:10
  remember when back in the 80s, remember that band CC in the
• 1:23:13
  music Factory, right, the semi Hammer Air stuff.
• 1:23:16
  I remember them stopping their tour because of exhaustion and
• 1:23:20
  all the members of the band went to the hospital for exhaustion.
• 1:23:23
  I'm like, what the fuck? You're just standing on stage
• 1:23:26
  and then, oh, the choreography part of it.
• 1:23:28
  Yeah, they're probably running equivalent of 5 miles or
• 1:23:30
  something on. Stage It's unbelievable that
• 1:23:33
  that Backstreet Boys *NSYNC could sing that well while
• 1:23:36
  moving like that. You know, it's like.
• 1:23:38
  Because lip syncing wasn't a thing back then.
• 1:23:40
  It wasn't there, no. Well, and the thing that.
• 1:23:42
  The word. Attracts the thing that we would
• 1:23:44
  all be familiar with is a drummer will tell you if you
• 1:23:47
  play a 2 hour show that's equivalent of running 5 miles
• 1:23:50
  that's why most drummers are runners yeah for.
• 1:23:53
  Sure. Wow.
• 1:23:54
  Yeah, that's. True, that's a cardio.
• 1:23:57
  Like I always tell people, it takes a certain kind of
• 1:23:59
  mentality to want to beat the shit out of something for hours
• 1:24:01
  on end. Because it's not really a
• 1:24:03
  musical instrument, right? Unless you have a band there.
• 1:24:06
  Don't tell that to a drummer. Don't tell to Neil.
• 1:24:08
  Pierce I tell that to drummers all the time.
• 1:24:11
  Neil, Neil would Neil would roll over the great.
• 1:24:13
  Wait a minute. What'd you say, Mike?
• 1:24:14
  When you put it in context, you're not making notes right.
• 1:24:19
  You got to tune the Toms right a little bit.
• 1:24:20
  You do. No, not even a little bit, Ask
• 1:24:23
  Chris. I was a stickler for that one
• 1:24:25
  too. Oh yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Scott taught me a lot about how to arrange songs and how to
• 1:24:30
  write songs. I taught him how to fucking put
• 1:24:32
  his drums just right because when I met him they were over
• 1:24:36
  ringing over each other and not they just weren't tuned.
• 1:24:40
  Right. Well, you can't hear.
• 1:24:41
  I don't think drummers can hear behind the kit.
• 1:24:43
  I don't think they're hearing what we hear because it's going.
• 1:24:45
  Forward. Here's the difference.
• 1:24:48
  You go from being a guy playing in his bedroom, we've talked
• 1:24:51
  about this to a guy playing in the garage.
• 1:24:54
  The first time a drummer has to be on APA system, that's the
• 1:24:58
  first time they've ever been electronic, right?
• 1:25:01
  Guitar players have always had their amplifier.
• 1:25:03
  Bass players always have their amplifier.
• 1:25:05
  Chris and Carl both have to have APA system because they're the
• 1:25:08
  lead singer. But that's the first time
• 1:25:11
  drummers have ever had microphones on there.
• 1:25:13
  And shit changes dramatically when you put a microphone on an
• 1:25:17
  acoustic drum. That's true, yeah.
• 1:25:20
  And I'm a stickler for them sounding badass coming out of
• 1:25:23
  the PA because if there's too many overtones, then that starts
• 1:25:27
  to bleed into your vocals, my guitar, the bass, and bad things
• 1:25:31
  happen. That's where the audience
• 1:25:33
  leaves. Mike, I would love to send you I
• 1:25:36
  just released a song on iTunes this past week called To the
• 1:25:38
  Future and What called. What called what?
• 1:25:41
  To the future, To the future. My Carl Anthology is my stage
• 1:25:45
  name, but but we recorded that in in college, like years and
• 1:25:50
  years ago and I found it in the archives and I'm like, I'm just
• 1:25:52
  going to put this on iTunes. Sweet.
• 1:25:53
  But you could probably RIP that one apart like I don't.
• 1:25:56
  Know no. Only if you ask me.
• 1:25:58
  Now see. No.
• 1:25:59
  So you'll have to go. I love it you you'll have you'll
• 1:26:01
  have to go listen to a couple episodes now, Carl, because we
• 1:26:03
  always open with a song Mike and I wrote called Freeman that is
• 1:26:06
  that lyrically it's still relevant today, but.
• 1:26:08
  Didn't you? Nice.
• 1:26:09
  Hear hear me singing a mic jam and you can hear the band.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, I'd love to hear that. I want to.
• 1:26:14
  Re record that, it's so bad. It's yeah, I do too.
• 1:26:19
  Are you man? What?
• 1:26:19
  What's the artist on? On iTunes it's under.
• 1:26:22
  You won't. It's not.
• 1:26:23
  We're not on iTunes. Yet you got to figure out how to
• 1:26:24
  OK. It's just a demo from like 1995
• 1:26:29
  that we recorded basically in my apartment and I drums in a
• 1:26:33
  double wide trailer. I see.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah. So, but I mean, it's still, it
• 1:26:38
  still sounds like it. I mean it's.
• 1:26:40
  We get so many compliments on it, man, but the way I hear it
• 1:26:43
  in my head and the way Chris was going to lay his vocals down
• 1:26:46
  originally, I just so want to do that.
• 1:26:48
  He had the megaphone idea before Weiland or anybody.
• 1:26:54
  That's where that's where that idea originated from, was that
• 1:26:56
  song. He's like, here's what I want to
• 1:26:58
  do. I want to have this guy talking
• 1:27:00
  in this voice and I want to have this guy telling this part of
• 1:27:03
  the story. And it was genius.
• 1:27:05
  But we just never got to put it down the way that we had talked
• 1:27:08
  about it years ago. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:10
  Oh, yeah. I want to hear it.
• 1:27:11
  You got, you guys are more in like heavy, heavier stuff,
• 1:27:14
  right? Heavy metal.
• 1:27:14
  It would be the Hard Rock. It's Hard Rock.
• 1:27:17
  We, we, I, I always tell people when they ask what we sound
• 1:27:19
  like, we were Creed before Creed was Creed.
• 1:27:21
  Because that's how I wrote lyrically.
• 1:27:23
  Our oh, Creed. But Creed's kind of like, not
• 1:27:25
  that hard. Right.
• 1:27:26
  No, but we had elements of it like we opened for Sacred Reich
• 1:27:28
  and enough's enough in Marshall Tucker Band, just to name three.
• 1:27:31
  Oh yeah, the dynamic there the. Marshall Tucker Band's like,
• 1:27:34
  yeah. Uh huh.
• 1:27:35
  But we could. That's the thing.
• 1:27:36
  We could play with anybody because our music was just that
• 1:27:39
  music. It was it was it invited you in?
• 1:27:41
  We'd come out, bust 3 songs without me saying a word to the
• 1:27:44
  crowd and just boom, boom, boom in your face.
• 1:27:46
  And then they were just like, oh sweet, what do we have?
• 1:27:48
  Here we'd beat him over the head for like 11 straight minutes.
• 1:27:52
  And then you finally say something.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah, you win them over. Yeah, I like that.
• 1:27:55
  Yeah, that's sweet, but you know that the.
• 1:27:57
  Chris, he was shy. He had to warm up to the crowd a
• 1:28:00
  little. Bit he was so I'm kind of like
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  that too. I mean, no, no, no, I'm Chris is
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  not shy but. He's not on any level.
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  But for some reason I get shy when I'm get on there.
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  Do you get shy or do you get like, I used to call it, like an
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  adrenaline? Are you talking like stage
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  fright? No, not stage fright.
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  Like I'm I'm excited to perform, but like in the middle of songs
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  and stuff, I'm just like so bad. Like saying stuff.
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  Oh, he. He was not.
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  Yeah, like that's a talent that maybe I need to practice a
• 1:28:30
  little bit more. Our band takes a little bit of
• 1:28:32
  time in between because we, I don't know if they got to do
• 1:28:35
  their stuff and I'm just like standing there, like, come on,
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  guys like mix up. I can't.
• 1:28:39
  I can't talk Chris up enough to like if shit hit the fan.
• 1:28:43
  He was just take control, kind. Of he.
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  Would start giving away free drinks to the crowds or T-shirts
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  or bumper stickers it's like do what you need to do man I got
• 1:28:55
  this it's. All that's sweet.
• 1:28:58
  That's awesome. Probably the first conversation
• 1:29:00
  I had with my drummer when we had first met Chris was that was
• 1:29:06
  the compliment I gave him right away.
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  I'm like, we're going to be able to walk on a stage and this
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  guy's not going to have any fear.
• 1:29:11
  We went from a guy who had stage fright.
• 1:29:13
  The first gig we played in front of like 1000 people got the best
• 1:29:18
  gig you could imagine at the Electric Ballroom back in the
• 1:29:20
  day, OK? And there was literally like
• 1:29:23
  1000 people there that night and this guy froze and my drummer
• 1:29:27
  was like, that can never happen again.
• 1:29:29
  And I couldn't argue with that. You can't be afraid to go on
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  stage. Yeah, you got to be pumped.
• 1:29:34
  Yeah, so Chris was the antithesis of being afraid to go
• 1:29:37
  on stage. He was like, let's go.
• 1:29:39
  How'd? You find Chris, stop there.
• 1:29:43
  Just firing that other guy. I just wanted to jam, man.
• 1:29:46
  I just want to jam. I have to bail because my my
• 1:29:48
  truck's ready. So this.
• 1:29:49
  I probably got to go to man. I'm braid that.
• 1:29:51
  We got to wrap. This up?
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  Yeah, too much fun. Carl, you got to come back and
• 1:29:54
  do this again with us for sure. Man, yeah, we'll do.
• 1:29:57
  We'll have a show on you what you actually planned to have you
• 1:29:59
  come on and we can talk all kinds of things again because,
• 1:30:02
  you know, whatever you want. We had to answer the text, man.
• 1:30:05
  That was, that's fucking right on, dude.
• 1:30:07
  Thanks for having me on guys, I appreciate.
• 1:30:09
  It so nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet you.
• 1:30:12
  We'll have to I'll text you my link to my iTunes.
• 1:30:15
  Yeah, absolutely. Please let me know what your
• 1:30:17
  honest thoughts are, that'd be great.
• 1:30:18
  Yeah, absolutely. And then we always wrap up the
• 1:30:20
  show that don't let the bad days win.
• 1:30:22
  Mike and I have both been touched by someone who's who's
• 1:30:24
  taking their life. So Somebody Loves You, somebody
• 1:30:26
  miss you. Don't put that hole in
• 1:30:27
  somebody's heart. Talk to somebody, go to sleep.
• 1:30:30
  Tomorrow's going to be a better day.
• 1:30:31
  You will be missed. You are loved.
• 1:30:34
  Peace. Love you brother.
• 1:30:35
  Love you man, thanks. Carl.
• 1:30:37
  Have a good night, Carl. You too.
• 1:30:39
  Peace. This is the place where you will
• 1:31:01
  go. Feel the trail behind your eyes.
• 1:31:07
  Feel yourself and need yourself. Take a moment, Look until you
• 1:31:14
  see him. Fight the battle.
• 1:31:16
  That's you boss wheel. Fight the battle.
• 1:31:20
  But you boss wheel. Who is this baby?
• 1:32:04
  The. Come down here, you haven't
• 1:32:48
  found salads in your sand. You don't fight him.
• 1:32:54
  Wait for the dead when he's closer.
• 1:32:57
  I'm here for the wind. You ain't no creature.
• 1:33:02
  When the plants found you, should you put it on the
• 1:33:06
  Almighty? You've got a dream.
• 1:33:11
  Who in your life to keep our soul in every man?
• 1:33:18
  Take the trail behind your eyes. Feel the soul evolution now.
• 1:33:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Take your moment. We can see you.
• 1:33:37
  See him find your family. To you more clear.
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  You gotta, you gotta.
• 1:34:09
  You gotta. You gotta.
• 1:34:11
  You gotta. The.