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DIDDY SEX VICTIMS PADDLE BOARD INTO OCEAN STORM TO ESCAPE COMBS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We learn that Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: Ditty's sex victims enduring so much paddle board out into
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Speaker 1: the ocean during a storm to escape further beatings and
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Speaker 1: rapes from Sean Combs, and they can see him at
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Speaker 1: a distance, pacing back and forth and back and forth
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Speaker 1: like a tiger on the beach. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: Didty was menacing, threatening, intimidating.
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Speaker 3: Because of a power need, three guns across his lap.
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Speaker 1: He gets angry and says, quote, I should kill you, and.
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Speaker 3: He told his manager, I don't like this back and forth.
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Speaker 1: I prefer guns.
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Speaker 4: Because that's what criminal enterprise bosses do.
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Speaker 1: He needs to go under the jail, joining me in
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Speaker 1: all Star panel to make sense of what we are learning.
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Speaker 1: As the testimony pours from the witness stand. That's right,
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Speaker 1: Sean Comb's aka Ditty aka Puff aka Puff Daddy aka
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Speaker 1: Love It goes on and on in court battling a
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Speaker 1: multi count federal indamond, including claims charges of sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Bombshells pouring from the witness stand on the stand right
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Speaker 1: now known only as Mia. Her passport has been shown
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Speaker 1: to the jury, so they know her real name, but
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Speaker 1: she is in such fear she doesn't want her name
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Speaker 1: out there. No one else is allowed to say her
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Speaker 1: name straight out to Kila Brantley joining us investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: reporter at large dailymail dot com. She is the host
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Speaker 1: of the wildly popular Daily Mail podcast The Trial of
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Speaker 1: Ditty Kella. Thank you for being with us. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of MIA's testimony today? Yeah, thank you for
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Speaker 1: having me, Nancy. So, Mia has taken the stand.
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Speaker 5: We know that she was his assistant, working for him
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Speaker 5: from twenty nine to twenty seventeen. And one of the
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Speaker 5: most shocking things I think that she said was that
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Speaker 5: he sexually assaulted her multiple times. And not only that,
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Speaker 5: is that it was very sporadic. There wasn't any you know,
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Speaker 5: rhythm to when he would come and you know, sexually
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Speaker 5: assault her. But she really described some awful, awful behavior,
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Speaker 5: described a toxic work environment, and she had to stay
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Speaker 5: awake for five days at a time, was not allowed
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Speaker 5: to sleep, had to be on call twenty four to seven,
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Speaker 5: and wasn't even allowed to lock her bedroom door.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I want to follow up on that.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter who has
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Speaker 1: been covering the child since the very beginning and before Sydney.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what Cala Brantley from
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Speaker 1: Daily mil just said. So Diddy and his mansions would
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Speaker 1: not allow women to lock the door.
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Speaker 6: Explain what he had testified to was that employees were
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Speaker 6: not allowed to leave his property without his express permission,
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Speaker 6: so they frequently stayed in staff quarters at his mansions,
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Speaker 6: whether it be in La or Miami, and Colmes always
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Speaker 6: instructed them to not lock the doors because it was
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Speaker 6: his house. He was like, you cannot lock a door
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Speaker 6: in my own home.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: joining US. I need a shrink big time. Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall renounced Psychoanalysts, joining us out of LA. She's the
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Speaker 1: author of deal Breakers. You can find out on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: She is starring on Peacock right now. She's at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethanymarshall dot com. And I heard Sidney Sumner reporting and
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Speaker 1: Kila Brantley reporting about how he refused to let females
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Speaker 1: and female staffers Cassie included lock their bedroom doors in
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Speaker 1: his mansion. Can you imagine After Mia was allegedly raped
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Speaker 1: the first time, she kept working there and was not
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Speaker 1: allowed to lock her door and just lay there in
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Speaker 1: terror at.
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Speaker 2: Nine you know, Nancy. She also was never allowed out
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Speaker 2: of his eyesight. She wasn't allowed to sleep. One time
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Speaker 2: she was on her mestraal cycle and blood was dripping
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Speaker 2: down her leg and he would not even let her
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Speaker 2: go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 7: So basically he set the stage for like a total
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Speaker 7: raping environment by not letting them lock their doors and
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Speaker 7: so sadly, in MIA's testimony, she goes through all the
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Speaker 7: things she told herself to rationalize and justify the abuse
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Speaker 7: because she was so young, just a very young woman.
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Speaker 7: She thought that maybe she was being tested for whether
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Speaker 7: or not she would be a good assistant, or maybe
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Speaker 7: p did he didn't really mean to rape her, or
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Speaker 7: maybe he didn't remember it or even know that he
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Speaker 7: raped her because he had had so much to drink,
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Speaker 7: and on one occasion, his fortieth birthday party, he supplied
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Speaker 7: her with two shots of alcohol, asked everybody else to.
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Speaker 1: Leave the room.
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Speaker 2: I believe they were in the kitchen. She drank the
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Speaker 2: two shots, felt woozy, woke up in his bed and
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Speaker 2: realized that she had been raped. So this, to me,
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Speaker 2: it's not even just sexual assault. This is just plain
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Speaker 2: old slavery, Nancy. These people are enslaved in his house,
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Speaker 2: They're not allowed to shut their doors, and each rape
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Speaker 2: is one more attempt at dominance and control over them.
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Speaker 1: You know, Dr Bethany, you said something that I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that haven't studied it or haven't
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Speaker 1: been victims themselves. It's hard to understand, and there's no
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Speaker 1: reason they should understand. I'm glad they don't understand, because
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Speaker 1: if they did, that might mean that violent crime has
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Speaker 1: touched their lives. But rape victims think, oh did I
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Speaker 1: encourage that was? Did? Is that my fault? Did I
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Speaker 1: flirt with him? Did he misread what I said? Or oh,
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Speaker 1: he's drunk. We already see Shawn Combs. Did he claiming
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Speaker 1: he's bipolar? That's new, Nobody heard that before that. He
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Speaker 1: had substance abuse problems, drugs, alcohol that made him act out,
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Speaker 1: in other words, rape and beat people. Did she think, oh, Okay,
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Speaker 1: he's drunk, He's not going to do that again. I'm
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Speaker 1: just not going to say anything. I'll lose my job,
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Speaker 1: I'll be blackballed. They rationalize what happened, and I think
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Speaker 1: part of it and I'm not a shrink. You're the
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Speaker 1: shrink is because they don't want to admit to themselves.
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Speaker 1: I was just raped. Killa Brantley joining us from Daily Mail.
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Speaker 1: She's the star of podcast the Trial of Did He Kla?
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Speaker 1: You just heard doctor Bethany describing what I think was
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Speaker 1: MIA's first rape, alleged rape by Shawn Combs. What was
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Speaker 1: her exact position. I've heard her described as being and assistant,
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Speaker 1: but she had a lot of duties as just a
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Speaker 1: measly assistant.
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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, Nancy, I mean you talk about a toxic workplace,
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Speaker 5: this is completely next level. One of her tasks, she said,
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Speaker 5: was to crack Sean Combs's knuckles if he was writing
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Speaker 5: too much, and it was anything from doing that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I hold on, Caleb Brantley White, there must be
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Speaker 1: something wrong with my earpace, because I swear I think
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Speaker 1: you just said one of her jobs is to crack
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Speaker 1: Sean comes knuckles for him, and that can't possibly be right. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what did you say?
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Speaker 5: Yes, so her job was to crack his knuckles for him,
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Speaker 5: as if he couldn't do it.
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Speaker 6: Himself.
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Speaker 5: But another one that was really disturbing was that she
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Speaker 5: would have to clean up after what she described as
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Speaker 5: a nightmare freak off.
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Speaker 6: So you can only.
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Speaker 5: Imagine what the hotel room, what the bedroom looked like,
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Speaker 5: and before the cleaners came in and then potentially you know,
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Speaker 5: saw things that they shouldn't have and then reported that
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Speaker 5: back to the papers. She would have to go in
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Speaker 5: and clean up what she said was oils, stains, blood
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Speaker 5: even and so as an assistant, it ranged from you know,
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Speaker 5: small tasks to huge ones to things that you wouldn't
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Speaker 5: even think of.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Caleb Brantley, I would never have thought
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Speaker 1: that King Colmb's had a nail, had a knuckle cracker.
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Speaker 1: That's new, okay, And I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: putting that mental image up here, okay, because that's never
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Speaker 1: going to go away. Just like that video that we
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Speaker 1: dug up of him getting a facial, He's got all
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Speaker 1: these people working on his body, facial, the arms, the legs,
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Speaker 1: getting his feet done. To me, it looked like he
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Speaker 1: was getting facial on his feet. So now he has
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Speaker 1: a royal knuckle cracker. Okay. That said Simmy Summer joining
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Speaker 1: me Crime Stories investigative reporter. I know that she's titled
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Speaker 1: as an assistant, but she had some pretty heavy duty
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Speaker 1: responsibilities in addition to all that knuckle cracking. All of
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Speaker 1: comes as social media presence. That's a lot liaison with
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Speaker 1: Hollywood daily routine, keeping him on schedule, protect him at
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Speaker 1: all times in all caps, staying in his eyesight. What what?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a very odd requirement, but that was something
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Speaker 6: that Comb's demanded. If Mia was not in his eyesight
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Speaker 6: while she was working, he apparently had no idea what
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Speaker 6: she was doing. So that list that you're reading came
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Speaker 6: from when Combe's aingerly question, what do you do all day?
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Speaker 6: So she wrote to another employee, here are all the
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Speaker 6: things that I do. I'm with him from the moment
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Speaker 6: he wakes up till the moment he falls asleep and
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Speaker 6: doing a billion tasks at one time. I do one
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Speaker 6: thing and then he yelled at me that I'm not
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Speaker 6: doing another while I'm doing something else. So this was
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Speaker 6: kind of a be all the things that I do
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Speaker 6: every single day, it's a lot. I'm not doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: Also, I say that one of her duties caler Brantley
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Speaker 1: was anticipating his needs, whims and moods. That's still what
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Speaker 1: does that mean?
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Speaker 5: You talk about horrible bosses and micromanaging. This is completely
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Speaker 5: on a whole other level. So anticipating his needs is
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Speaker 5: basically asking her to be a mind reader and to
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Speaker 5: know what he wants, and to really know him so
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Speaker 5: well and so intimately that she can just anticipate anything
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Speaker 5: that he could possibly want to really try to keep
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Speaker 5: herself safe and keep him from blowing up.
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Speaker 1: Her real title, as I understand it, Kili Brantley is
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Speaker 1: with Revolt Films Director of Development and Acquisition.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she held that position at Revolt TV, which of
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Speaker 5: course was Ditty's company, but clearly her duties went far
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Speaker 5: beyond that, and far beyond that of a personal assistant.
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Speaker 5: I honestly don't know what job would have stay in
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Speaker 5: someone's eyesight as a as a duty.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to the Federal Courthouse in Manhattan, standing by
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lauren Column, star of Pop Crime TV, Lauren,
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Speaker 1: what happened in court today?
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Speaker 3: Yes, Mia, who is Ditty's former assistant and a director
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Speaker 3: of development at Revolt TV, also Cassie's very good friend.
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Speaker 3: She said they were like sisters and they still are.
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Speaker 3: She finished her direct testimony today and then we started
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Speaker 3: the cross examination with Brian Steele. What she said towards
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Speaker 3: the end of her testimony I thought.
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Speaker 1: Was really really chilling.
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Speaker 3: She described, after Cassie's twenty twenty three lawsuit dropped, she
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Speaker 3: started getting text messages from Ditty's former security d Rock. Now,
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Speaker 3: she testified that Dee Rock didn't work for Ditty in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three anymore, but she knew that he had
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Speaker 3: landed in Miami and said that he was going to
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Speaker 3: take care of something in Miami that was pertaining to
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Speaker 3: Ditty's son. So again this is a few days after
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Speaker 3: cassie lawsuit dropped, he called Mia. He said he wanted
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Speaker 3: to talk to her. Said, oh, you know, this stuff
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Speaker 3: with Puff is crazy. Cassie and Puff were just fought
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Speaker 3: like a regular couple. And Mia described being very alarmed
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Speaker 3: because she thought to herself, look, I want no part
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Speaker 3: of this. And she was confused. She said, you know,
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Speaker 3: dee Rock was there. He witnessed a lot of this.
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Speaker 3: So Dee Rock tried multiple times to get in touch
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Speaker 3: with her. And then during Brian Steele's cross examination, he
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Speaker 3: started by giving or the defense started by giving the
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Speaker 3: jury binders and Inside those those binders were social media posts,
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Speaker 3: various social media posts from Mia throughout the years, you know,
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Speaker 3: thanking him for everything, calling him her best friend. And
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Speaker 3: then Mia would respond by saying, yeah, I you know,
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Speaker 3: that's kind of saying that's trauma. And it was clear
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Speaker 3: to me that she had been through therapy because she
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Speaker 3: referenced her therapist, she referenced being a survivor, and she
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Speaker 3: would say things like, you know, I will leave this
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Speaker 3: up to the experts. Additionally, they pointed out some birthday
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Speaker 3: posts that she made for Diddy, and the birthday was
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Speaker 3: significant November fourth, because she told us during her direct testimony,
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Speaker 3: this was one of the first times that he had
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Speaker 3: allegedly sexually assaulted her. So Brian Steele kept bringing up, well,
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Speaker 3: this was a really significant day for you in terms
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Speaker 3: of trauma, but you continue to post year after year
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Speaker 3: these loving birthday messages, you know, even though this day
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Speaker 3: doesn't really signify anything great that happened to you. So
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Speaker 3: that was the extent of what we saw today. And
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Speaker 3: I believe her cross examination may go until Monday.
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Speaker 1: And Lauren Conlin, they have saved Brian's steel for the
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Speaker 1: cross examination of a very important win is Mia not
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Speaker 1: her real name on the stand. Tell me about his
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Speaker 1: demeanor as he cross examined Maya today.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Steele, he has great pacing. He continues to move
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Speaker 3: things along. He's very polite to the judge and and
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Speaker 3: with and he's always polite to the judge by the way,
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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the most well spoken defense
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Speaker 3: attorneys that I've seen in a very long time. Sorry,
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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm sorry I said that that was
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Speaker 3: kind of rude to the other ones.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I.
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Speaker 8: Didn't mean that.
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Speaker 3: You'll probably cut that, Okay, yes, thank you.
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Speaker 8: Let me think.
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Speaker 3: Brian Steel's demeanor towards Mia is stern, but definitely not
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Speaker 3: even close to badgering. He's really just reiterating what we
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Speaker 3: are seeing and a lot of these images, and he's
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Speaker 3: having her read her own words, and it seems like
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Speaker 3: he's just trying to understand where or what her mindset
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Speaker 3: was when she was posting these posts, and you know,
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Speaker 3: when she was saying that she loved him but also
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Speaker 3: felt traumatized by him, and by the way, MEA's response
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Speaker 3: to a lot of that also was the fact that
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Speaker 3: we're seeing these pictures on Instagram and Instagram at one
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Speaker 3: point was a place really where everybody seemed to lie
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Speaker 3: about their life, wanted everyone to think that their life
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Speaker 3: was so great. And I think a lot of people
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Speaker 3: could could relate to that. But overall, Brian Steele, I
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Speaker 3: think he's doing a good job. Again, He's definitely got
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Speaker 3: to be careful. I think that there's a very fine
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Speaker 3: line that he really can't cross so he doesn't come
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Speaker 3: off as insensitive to the jury or he doesn't come
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Speaker 3: off as a bully. So he's got to be careful.
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Speaker 1: But so far, so good. He always has somebody else
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Speaker 1: do his dirty work. He has his minions do everything.
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Speaker 2: They've been known as dirty did He disciples. I am
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Speaker 2: not kidding when I use dirty Diddy.
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Speaker 4: They order their little minions to do what they want,
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Speaker 4: and it's his power that controlled them.
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Speaker 2: They are terrified of him.
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Speaker 1: Because of intimidation, because of a power need. We are
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Speaker 1: learning from the witness stand today. Mia not her real name,
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Speaker 1: on the stand describing an incident where she had another
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Speaker 1: victim go out on a paddle board a peddle board
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Speaker 1: out into the ocean in a storm to escape fur
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Speaker 1: their beatings and rapes. When Sean comes, as he paces
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Speaker 1: the beach and they can see him like a tiger
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Speaker 1: waiting on them to come back. Before I get to that,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Brian Fitzgibbons, Special Guests joining
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Speaker 1: US Director of Operations usp A nationwide Security. He leads
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Speaker 1: a team of investigators. You can find him at uspasecurity
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Speaker 1: dot com. Brian, I want to talk to you about
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Speaker 1: as I'm calling them, minions. All right now, Shortly we're
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Speaker 1: going to hear from Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney, and
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Speaker 1: he's going to try to tear down everything you and
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Speaker 1: I are about to say, just like Shawan Combs's defense
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Speaker 1: is going to do. But Brian, minions, it's important. It's
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Speaker 1: important everything that Mia is saying that she was forced
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Speaker 1: to do or coerced to do. At one point somebody
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Speaker 1: asked her on the stand, well why didn't you say no?
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Speaker 1: She said, I was afraid to say no about making
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Speaker 1: him a sandwich, much less argue with him about a
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Speaker 1: rape or anything else he told me to do. I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, talk about Mina's He even had a royal
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Speaker 1: knuckle cracker. As that said, fitz Gibbons, think about it.
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Speaker 1: The reason the menings aren't important is because they did
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Speaker 1: his bidding and he was their boss. He ran bad
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Speaker 1: Boy Records enterprises, and he used his employees to commit crimes.
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Speaker 1: Specifically with you, I'm talking about Frank Black, a pseudonym,
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Speaker 1: a fake name that comes with forces employees to go
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Speaker 1: get there's one of them right there, prescriptions under fake names.
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Speaker 1: That's a crime, and he used his employee to do.
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Speaker 4: It, absolutely, Nancy. And what you're seeing here is the
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Speaker 4: scope of this investigation and the scale of the number
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Speaker 4: of people within Ditty's organization that they're bringing up onto
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Speaker 4: the stand, and it's painting a picture and laying a
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Speaker 4: foundation for the jury for this racketeering conspiracy charge. So
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Speaker 4: you're seeing what's delegated, What activities are these folks are
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Speaker 4: carrying out on Ditty's behalf, and the fear that they
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Speaker 4: have should they not carry this out.
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Speaker 1: These orders out to his specifications. Caleb Brantley joining us
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Speaker 1: from DLA Mail, star of the Trial of Ditty podcast.
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Speaker 1: I've learned well, I've her reports that Capricorn Clark was
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Speaker 1: shredded on Cross because at one point, after all the abuse,
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Speaker 1: she went back and tried to get her job back.
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Speaker 1: Now I've learned that she is the mom of an
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Speaker 1: autistic teen boy that has to have special schools and
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Speaker 1: has to have around the clock care. If she's not there,
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Speaker 1: that ain't gonna pay for itself.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 1: She needed that job. She needed not to be blackballed
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Speaker 1: in the industry, exactly.
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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what we're hearing from Mia is that
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Speaker 5: she felt that Ditty's quote authority was above the police.
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Speaker 5: And like you said, Capricorn, Clark was a working mom.
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Speaker 6: She needed this job.
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Speaker 5: If you're black bed in the industry by someone as
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Speaker 5: powerful as Ditty, you will never find a job in
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Speaker 5: Hollywood again. And what I think is really interesting Cassie
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Speaker 5: was asked this, a previous assistant was asked this, and
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Speaker 5: I believe Deontay Nash said this on the stand, is
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Speaker 5: that none of them hate Diddy, that they don't have
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Speaker 5: any hate for him. And I think what that is
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Speaker 5: a testament to is kind of you know, I'm no psychologist,
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Speaker 5: but that Stockholm syndrome feeling that even though someone may.
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Speaker 1: Have what you're so kind and gracious, it's I don't
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Speaker 1: hate Diddy. I hold him in high regard in case
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Speaker 1: he gets out of jail. Yeah, exactly right, It's to
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Speaker 1: saying I'm here under subpoena. I don't want to testify
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Speaker 1: against you. Man. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a founder
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Speaker 1: and director of Len's Warriors, committed to ending sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: and abuse of girls and women. You know, this story
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Speaker 1: is as old as time. Women who are willing to
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Speaker 1: do anything, put up with anything to support their child,
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Speaker 1: to hold onto their house, else to hold onto their job.
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Speaker 1: I mean the way they cross examined Capricorn Clark, and
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Speaker 1: I dread, you know, I've been dreading throughout the day.
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Speaker 1: I dreaded when Mia would be subjected to cross exam,
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Speaker 1: which you know happened. But Capricorn Clark was cross exammed
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Speaker 1: over Well, you went back, You crawled back and try
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Speaker 1: to get a job, didn't you. They didn't mention anything
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Speaker 1: about her having to support her autistic son, about the
21:30
Speaker 1: around the clock care that requires while she's at work.
21:36
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole job in itself. You know,
21:38
Speaker 1: my ninety three year old mom lives with me, and
21:40
Speaker 1: when I'm at work, somebody's with her, and I'm constantly
21:43
Speaker 1: juggling who's going to be here, Who's going to take
21:45
Speaker 1: care of mom? Right, She's got a young teen boy
21:49
Speaker 1: that she has to support. She would do anything, Lynn, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Moms will do anything to put food on the table,
21:56
Speaker 2: to get medical care for their kids, to take care
21:59
Speaker 2: of their We have to remember the public has to
22:02
Speaker 2: be educated. That's why I'm so happy we are actually
22:04
Speaker 2: talking about these issues in the media in the public. Nancy,
22:08
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes down to being desperate and
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Speaker 2: really desperate and also being part of I'm going to
22:15
Speaker 2: use the word brainwashed. When you've been involved in something
22:19
Speaker 2: like this, you will do anything, and if you don't
22:21
Speaker 2: have a job, you will go back to that job,
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Speaker 2: even if it's abusive. We deal with the warriors with
22:26
Speaker 2: stories like this all the time. The women don't have
22:30
Speaker 2: anywhere to go, they go back to that abuser. But
22:32
Speaker 2: I really want to get real here about Triple D.
22:35
Speaker 2: I like to call him dirty Diddy, degenerate, I'm I'm
22:38
Speaker 2: you know, he's he has a lot of characteristics of
22:42
Speaker 2: a pimp, of a trafficker. Force brought coercion is the
22:46
Speaker 2: definition of human trafficking. So he's got sex trafficking charges.
22:49
Speaker 2: But I'm hearing about it's like forced labor, forced into sex.
22:54
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping, I'm praying because my heart is aching
22:57
Speaker 2: hearing about me today and what she's gone through.
22:59
Speaker 1: I have heard this story a thousand.
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Speaker 2: Plus times, Okay, that this can really be laying the
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Speaker 2: groundwork for a criminal enterprise, and that those sex trafficking
23:09
Speaker 2: charges can stick. We need accountability and this monster must
23:13
Speaker 2: be held accountable.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, doctor Bethany Mia, not her real name,
23:19
Speaker 1: I believe, was very meek and mild on the stand
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Speaker 1: and I could see her not fighting back and rationalizing
23:31
Speaker 1: and staying in during three rapes, thinking she was going
23:34
Speaker 1: to get black balled in the business and she'd never
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Speaker 1: work again. That whole thing. It's so common, and each
23:41
Speaker 1: one of these women that we're hearing from had a
23:43
Speaker 1: lot to lose. Cassie Ventira had her whole career. She
23:48
Speaker 1: wanted to be a star, a singer, and she's talented,
23:51
Speaker 1: regardless of what everybody else is saying about her. You
23:55
Speaker 1: have Capricorn Clark, who needed to support that son. Now
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Speaker 1: you've got Mia starting her job right, starting out in
24:02
Speaker 1: the business. She thinks she's got the big break. They
24:05
Speaker 1: all had so much to lose if they crossed Combes.
24:09
Speaker 2: They had so much to lose because they needed the jobs,
24:12
Speaker 2: and they also knew that he was going to blackball
24:14
Speaker 2: them if they ever tried to leave. They tried to
24:17
Speaker 2: get positive job recommendations, he would get give them. So
24:21
Speaker 2: he was also a stalker. You can't get away from
24:24
Speaker 2: a stalker like this. And Nancy the fact that Capricorn
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Speaker 2: had this autistic son who needed full time care. This
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Speaker 2: is the sex traffickers reson to et. This is what
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Speaker 2: they do is they choose victims where there is a
24:37
Speaker 2: power differential, single moms, disadvantaged youth, people are trying to
24:44
Speaker 2: go over state lines.
24:45
Speaker 1: Shawn comes on trial and the Monahana Courthouse, the federal
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Speaker 1: Courthouse in Manhattan, facing a slew of charges in a
24:52
Speaker 1: multicount federal indictment. Can he persuade a jury the way
24:58
Speaker 1: he's persuaded so many others to do his bidding, including police.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Another incident regarding Mia, and remember
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Speaker 1: part of the significance of her testimony is that she
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Speaker 1: bolsters Cassie Ventura, victim number one that cried this case
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Speaker 1: wide open listen.
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Speaker 9: Mia describes another violent incident between the couple on a
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Speaker 9: trip to Turks and Caicos. Cassie burst into the room
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Speaker 9: where Mia was sleeping, terrified and screaming that Combs was
25:27
Speaker 9: going to kill her. The women piled furniture in front
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Speaker 9: of the door before running out through the back patio
25:33
Speaker 9: and down to the beach. Cassie and Mia took paddleboards
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Speaker 9: out into the ocean to escape. Combs ran back and
25:38
Speaker 9: forth on the beach, screaming at them as a storm
25:41
Speaker 9: rolled in, and the women tried to decide if they
25:43
Speaker 9: wanted to face some other nature or seawan.
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Speaker 1: Comb's, Shawn comes or death. Kileb Brantley dealing Mia what happened?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well you heard there. They were on a trip
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Speaker 5: to Turks and Kko's in twenty twelve, and Mia testified
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Speaker 5: that Cassie came into the room woke her up, running
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Speaker 5: and screaming, asking for help and saying that Diddy was
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Speaker 5: going to kill her. And what was interesting is that
26:05
Speaker 5: she said, typically Cassie was always calm, cool and collected,
26:09
Speaker 5: and she was really shocked to see her like this
26:12
Speaker 5: in such a state of panic and really with fear
26:15
Speaker 5: in her eyes. So, as you said, you know, they
26:17
Speaker 5: escaped on a paddle board and really chose mother nature.
26:21
Speaker 5: A storm was rolling in over going back to the
26:24
Speaker 5: beach and facing Ditty. Eventually they did end up going
26:27
Speaker 5: back to the beach.
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Speaker 1: So Cidi Cumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. What
26:32
Speaker 1: more do we know about that incident? The two women
26:37
Speaker 1: going out in a storm on a paddle boat turks
26:41
Speaker 1: and kekos and that water there. I've dived there and
26:48
Speaker 1: the beach starts like this before I had the twins,
26:51
Speaker 1: by the way, the beach starts off like that, then
26:53
Speaker 1: it drops down. You can see it in the daytime
26:56
Speaker 1: turn really dark blue very quickly. They were out in
27:02
Speaker 1: that deep water in a storm at night to get
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Speaker 1: away from Sean Combs.
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Speaker 6: Yes, they were so terrified. Mia, taking Pathy's demeanor the
27:19
Speaker 6: level of fear she should feel that they stood out
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Speaker 6: on that water on those power boards for god knows
27:26
Speaker 6: how long, debating whether or not it was worth just
27:30
Speaker 6: sitting through that storm or going back to the beach
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Speaker 6: to face Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: Again, joining me and all star pal and I want
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Speaker 1: to go straight now brace yourselves to a veteran defense
27:41
Speaker 1: attorneys Troy Slayton. He is based in la at Slayton Lawyers. Troy,
27:49
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Mia did an amazing
27:55
Speaker 1: job on direct But then we've seen a lot of
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Speaker 1: the defense team up there. They bring in Brian Steele
28:05
Speaker 1: to do her cross Let me tell you what I
28:07
Speaker 1: know about Steel. He's very likable. I bet you thought
28:12
Speaker 1: I was going to say something else. Steele is very,
28:15
Speaker 1: very likable. I've seen him use as I call it,
28:19
Speaker 1: the Andy of Maybury cross examination approach, which when you've
28:23
Speaker 1: got a witness it's not going to be a hostile witness,
28:26
Speaker 1: as that's a term of art under the law. When
28:28
Speaker 1: a witness will not respond to your questions, you can
28:32
Speaker 1: I sugjudge to declare the witness hostile witness, and you
28:36
Speaker 1: can then cross examine your own witness if you have to.
28:39
Speaker 1: I've seen him be very okay harsh on cross so
28:47
Speaker 1: he's got me on the stand. This is what else
28:49
Speaker 1: I know about Steel. He's very likable, likable to the
28:54
Speaker 1: other members of the defense bar and to prosecutors. He's
28:57
Speaker 1: always prepared, because there's a big difference Troy, as you know,
29:03
Speaker 1: I know all about you. You're always prepared in court.
29:06
Speaker 1: But there's a big difference in someone that's gregarious and
29:09
Speaker 1: has this big personality that doesn't prepare right like Johnny Cochrane,
29:15
Speaker 1: my old co anchor. He could carry the day in
29:17
Speaker 1: a court just on his personality. And he wasn't grandiose.
29:21
Speaker 1: He was just likable. He really was likable. Same thing
29:26
Speaker 1: with Steel. I know he's a teetotaler, always been devoted
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Speaker 1: to his wife. Doesn't cheat that I know of anyway.
29:35
Speaker 1: He drinks practically nothing but water.
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Speaker 8: I know that.
29:41
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've seen him do this in the courthouse.
29:44
Speaker 1: That he usually brings his own lunch, like he makes
29:48
Speaker 1: a sandwich. Anyway. Those are just some tidbits that I
29:51
Speaker 1: know about him. I'm pretty sure about the sandwich. Can't
29:55
Speaker 1: swear to it. The rest I know. So is a
30:01
Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, got a great reputation. I think you
30:05
Speaker 1: just got young thug off that said, why have they
30:09
Speaker 1: reserved steel for MIA's cross? Don't fight with me, I
30:14
Speaker 1: need your insight. Why have they saved Steel for? I mean,
30:18
Speaker 1: he's done other things. But they need a special touch
30:22
Speaker 1: to cross examine Nia. This can go horribly wrong for them, Nancy.
30:26
Speaker 10: A case can be won or lost on cross examination,
30:30
Speaker 10: And when you have a witness that is as sympathetic
30:35
Speaker 10: as Mia is, you can't go in with the hard,
30:38
Speaker 10: charging cross, trying to discredit her at every step, because
30:42
Speaker 10: then you will lose the white hat in front of
30:45
Speaker 10: the jury. You need the jury to like you as
30:48
Speaker 10: an attorney, to believe you. And so here he has
30:52
Speaker 10: to walk a very fine tightrope and just try and
30:58
Speaker 10: be her friend and point out things, get her to
31:01
Speaker 10: start agreeing with the narrative that he is going to present,
31:05
Speaker 10: get her to start nodding yes the things that he said, Like,
31:09
Speaker 10: you know, you liked there were other times that you
31:12
Speaker 10: liked working for Diddy. There were times that you enjoyed
31:16
Speaker 10: some of the benefits that came with working with all
31:20
Speaker 10: that lavishness, all that money. You enjoyed living in the
31:24
Speaker 10: mansion and being able to ride in the fancy cars
31:27
Speaker 10: and go on the yachts and take trips all over
31:30
Speaker 10: the world. There were benefits to that, and you never
31:34
Speaker 10: went to the police department. You had an opportunity in
31:38
Speaker 10: twenty ee.
31:38
Speaker 1: You're saying that, well, to take the fancy trips and
31:41
Speaker 1: drive around in the fancy car, it was worth getting
31:43
Speaker 1: raped three times. Is that what you're saying, because it
31:45
Speaker 1: sounds absolutely not.
31:47
Speaker 10: But what he's going to do is say that there
31:49
Speaker 10: was a lot of great things that happened. There was
31:53
Speaker 10: a lot of good things that happened during her employment,
31:57
Speaker 10: and maybe those good things in her mind and outweighed
32:00
Speaker 10: the bad. For example, and the the analogy that I
32:04
Speaker 10: was thinking about as you were talking earlier was Harvey Weinstein.
32:08
Speaker 10: There were women that were willing to sell their bodies
32:13
Speaker 10: in order to get a role on a TV show
32:16
Speaker 10: or a movie. And they, in their mind thought, you're.
32:19
Speaker 1: Digging really deeply. I just got to ask you a question.
32:22
Speaker 1: Do you hate yourself?
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Speaker 10: Do I hate myself?
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Speaker 6: No?
32:26
Speaker 1: Hear all that. You're just like, ah, it's great, my
32:29
Speaker 1: tongue off is so tastes bad in my mouth. So
32:33
Speaker 1: they're willing to sell their soul to what drive around
32:36
Speaker 1: and Diddy's su They are you kidding? To go to
32:39
Speaker 1: a white party or the freak Freakov goes on upstairs.
32:44
Speaker 1: They get to go by Diddy's baby oil, oh joy.
32:49
Speaker 10: There was a million opportunities to do other things, to
32:53
Speaker 10: work for other employers, to have other jobs to do.
32:58
Speaker 10: This wasn't the only employer in the entire world.
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Speaker 1: And you're saying the same thing that rape apologists always say,
33:09
Speaker 1: doctor Mathey. No, look, Nancy, Everything that He's gonna let
33:18
Speaker 1: Bethany talk. Okay, Bethany hit it before survival.
33:21
Speaker 2: The reason they don't leave is that the survival instinct
33:24
Speaker 2: is stronger than any other drive we have, and when
33:26
Speaker 2: you believe you are going to be killed, you will
33:30
Speaker 2: not leave a perpetrator. Also, domestic abuse is a crisis
33:33
Speaker 2: of boundaries, meaning the victim often blames themselves for the
33:37
Speaker 2: aggression of the perpetrator. So there's this confusion about well, is.
33:41
Speaker 1: It your fault? Is it my fault?
33:43
Speaker 2: And then everything becomes calamitous and breaks out into terror
33:47
Speaker 2: like when they were out, you know, paddleboarding into a storm.
33:50
Speaker 2: And that also when the amigdala is very activated, when
33:53
Speaker 2: the fight and flight is activated, you can't think. When
33:57
Speaker 2: we are anxious, we cannot think. So their capacity to
34:01
Speaker 2: even strategize in a basic way was compromised.
34:05
Speaker 1: Mia not her real name under cross examination on the
34:09
Speaker 1: Standard Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight out to Special
34:22
Speaker 1: Guests joining US RV. Brandt, former Senior inspector with the
34:26
Speaker 1: US Marshall Service. He has traveled around the world hunting
34:30
Speaker 1: down the bad guys with the doj Atsha two embassies
34:35
Speaker 1: around the world, and he's the author of a series
34:39
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34:43
Speaker 1: after on Amazon or brand. Thank you for being with us.
34:47
Speaker 1: Do you ever get just exhausted hearing what victims endure
34:53
Speaker 1: in this case rape working on godly hours? As a
34:58
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I want you to hear this about
35:00
Speaker 1: Mia getting her arm slammed in a door allegedly by
35:05
Speaker 1: comes Colmbs.
35:06
Speaker 11: Wasn't just violent with Cassie. Mia describes an incident at
35:10
Speaker 11: the Revolt production office when Combs asked to borrow her phone,
35:14
Speaker 11: then ran off with it. Mia chased Combs and tried
35:16
Speaker 11: to snatch it back, so he ran into a restroom.
35:19
Speaker 11: MIA's arm was in the door, but Combs continued to
35:22
Speaker 11: slam the door shut so hard. Mia thought her arm
35:25
Speaker 11: was broken. When Combs finally came back out, he told
35:29
Speaker 11: her he sent himself her compromising photos, so he had
35:33
Speaker 11: something on her in case she had something on him.
35:36
Speaker 1: It's like he's got something on everybody. Do you ever
35:40
Speaker 1: get tired? It's like second verse same as the first,
35:44
Speaker 1: and Mia has been on the stand on a cross
35:46
Speaker 1: exam all afternoon.
35:48
Speaker 12: Yes, Nancy, it is exhausting, and it's because my adult
35:53
Speaker 12: life in law enforcement. I have the investigated cases like these,
35:58
Speaker 12: just countless cases like these, and it's all the same.
36:03
Speaker 12: He is a pimp and this is what pimps do.
36:07
Speaker 12: They destroy people psychologically to keep control of them. And
36:11
Speaker 12: I'm sure Lynnshaw and doctor Bethan he can talk more
36:15
Speaker 12: on that subject, more of an expert than I am.
36:18
Speaker 12: But I've seen it, and I've interviewed these victims countless times,
36:23
Speaker 12: and we've gone to trial countless times, and it's all
36:28
Speaker 12: the same. And people like him, the pimps, they punish
36:33
Speaker 12: the people to keep them in line. I've heard pimps
36:37
Speaker 12: talk about working their girls and they would and they
36:41
Speaker 12: would intentionally put them out on the street in the rain,
36:45
Speaker 12: in the cold, just to teach them a lesson. And
36:48
Speaker 12: this is what they do and he is no different.
36:52
Speaker 1: I don't like anything you're saying. I hate everything you
36:55
Speaker 1: just said, although our rant sadly it's all true. And
36:58
Speaker 1: now I know where we get special trial advice from?
37:04
Speaker 1: Who else? Shoug Night the convicted killer. Listen.
37:09
Speaker 8: I feel if he guilt till his truth, he really
37:12
Speaker 8: would walk. If propably go out there and say, hey,
37:14
Speaker 8: I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't control of my life
37:17
Speaker 8: at the tiller or I shall not from.
37:19
Speaker 1: My friends at CNN. I feel like if he tells
37:22
Speaker 1: the truth, he really would walk. Obviously he's not been
37:27
Speaker 1: following the trial. If Puffy goes up there and says, hey,
37:30
Speaker 1: I did all the drugs, I wasn't in control of
37:32
Speaker 1: my life at the time, or myself. Troy Slayton from
37:36
Speaker 1: the Expert trial advice from sug Not who's behind bars
37:40
Speaker 1: for murder. His trial strategy didn't work out that well
37:42
Speaker 1: for him. If Coms tries to say, when I commit
37:48
Speaker 1: when I committed all these acts, I was high on
37:51
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol, that's not a defense under the law.
37:54
Speaker 10: No, that's not going to do it. But what we'll
37:57
Speaker 10: do it for his defense attorneys is showing that all
38:01
Speaker 10: of these things were just if they were done, they
38:04
Speaker 10: were acts of an eccentric rock star, an eccentric billionaire,
38:08
Speaker 10: but they were not all related to a criminal.
38:14
Speaker 1: They were not related to Shorn. He didn't rape anybody,
38:19
Speaker 1: he didn't beat anybody. He's just eccentric. Did I hear that? Okay,
38:23
Speaker 1: you said that. You just said that you're going to
38:25
Speaker 1: expe away all of these felies by climbing. He's eccentric.
38:29
Speaker 10: Look, he may have done these things, but he hasn't
38:32
Speaker 10: been charged. He wasn't charged with rape. He wasn't charged
38:37
Speaker 10: with He was charged with sex trafficking, but he was
38:40
Speaker 10: not charged with rape. He was not charged.
38:43
Speaker 1: You say tomato, I say tomato. Paddle was going to
38:49
Speaker 1: do backflip.
38:50
Speaker 10: He was in charge with the battery of smashing someone's
38:53
Speaker 10: arm in the door. All of these things have to
38:57
Speaker 10: relate the do your bidding in order to advance him.
39:02
Speaker 1: She didn't bit his bidding, she didn't want her arm broken.
39:05
Speaker 10: How does that advance his business interests? That they haven't
39:09
Speaker 10: tied that bow together yet, So I think all court
39:13
Speaker 10: watchers are trying to watch and see how they tie
39:17
Speaker 10: together all these disparate acts to show that it was
39:20
Speaker 10: advancing his business.
39:23
Speaker 1: Okay, listen to more trial advice from convicted killer sitting
39:26
Speaker 1: behind bars. Should Knight he.
39:28
Speaker 8: Can humanize his old self in a jury magula shot,
39:31
Speaker 8: but if they keep down, it's like he's scared to
39:34
Speaker 8: face the music.
39:35
Speaker 1: Now from my friends at CNN. Of course, there's a
39:37
Speaker 1: fifth Amendment. He doesn't have to take the stand, but
39:41
Speaker 1: I will say this, should Knight's write about this. Should
39:44
Speaker 1: Knight very talented, still a convicted killer. He looks like
39:47
Speaker 1: he's scared to face the music if he doesn't testify. Okay,
39:52
Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw, did you just hear veteran trial lawyer Chroice
39:57
Speaker 1: Layton refer to times his behavior as just eccentric.
40:02
Speaker 2: I'm almost silent, but I'm never a silent person because
40:06
Speaker 2: I can't believe what I had to hear. I'm going
40:08
Speaker 2: to say this. This is the problem we have here
40:10
Speaker 2: with a lot of lawyers with these cases. This is
40:13
Speaker 2: sex trafficking. He's beating people up. This isn't fetishes or
40:18
Speaker 2: a weird lifestyle rock star. This isn't just having sex
40:22
Speaker 2: orgies and stuff like this. This is drugging people allegedly,
40:26
Speaker 2: you know, feeding them drinks they don't know what's in it.
40:28
Speaker 2: It's shoving people against walls. It's threatening them if they leave,
40:32
Speaker 2: they can't lock their doors. They're paddling out in the ocean.
40:35
Speaker 2: This is a little bit more than eccentric rock star
40:38
Speaker 2: style lifestyles.
40:40
Speaker 1: This is a pimp.
40:40
Speaker 2: This is a human trafficker. He's going to go down.
40:43
Speaker 2: He puts people in these positions they can't find their
40:46
Speaker 2: way out of and you know what, I'm going to
40:49
Speaker 2: say it again, force fraud, coersion, laying the groundwork for
40:53
Speaker 2: sex trafficking and also for a criminal enterprise.
40:56
Speaker 1: And he can't.
40:57
Speaker 2: Everybody just keep thinking about that Cassie video. He cannot
41:01
Speaker 2: be humanized in any way, shape or form.
41:04
Speaker 1: MIA on the stand all afternoon, enduring cross examination at
41:11
Speaker 1: the hands of a master trial lawyer, Brian Steele. We
41:17
Speaker 1: remember American hero Sergeant Daniel Baker, or Dixon County Sheriff's Tennessee,
41:22
Speaker 1: just thirty two years old, shot down in the line
41:26
Speaker 1: of duty. Served LA law enforcement for ten years, leaving
41:32
Speaker 1: behind grieving wife Lisa and daughter Meredith. American hero Daniel Baker.
41:42
Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,