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Personal Defense, Firearm Basics, and More · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: All right, if I passed the hour, it is the
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  Speaker 1: third hour. I have turned the page on the rundown.
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  Speaker 1: So we are officially now in the home stretch of
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  Speaker 1: the show, and we take this time twice a month
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little personal defense, a little second amendment,
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  Speaker 1: a little firearms ammunition, training, DA data and joining me
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  Speaker 1: of course from the Talent Training Group. Is co founder
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  Speaker 1: of the Talent Range and All Things Talent, including co
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  Speaker 1: host of Talent Outdoors.
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  Speaker 2: He is JD. Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, good morning.
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  Speaker 2: How are you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fantastic carry you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you can you even get your brain
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  Speaker 1: around how different things are in our nation in just
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  Speaker 1: ten days or so?
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  Speaker 2: It is?
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  Speaker 3: It's like a blur. I mean it's been a blur. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I quoted Grant who said winning never gets old. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get tired of winning, and there's some wins out there.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it has been. It's a whole different attitude in
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  Speaker 3: general from most of the folks that I deal with
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  Speaker 3: on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 1: I want to give everybody who's listening an opportunity. If
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  Speaker 1: you have a question pressing at iHeartRadio dot com or
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  Speaker 1: call in, I'll bump you ahead. Of me, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of guy I am. I have a list
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  Speaker 1: of questions, but I will let you call in with
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  Speaker 1: your questions. But I do have some email questions. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's just start tackling this stuff. I see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ads for magnetic firearm holders that you can
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  Speaker 1: just mount in your car.
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  Speaker 2: Is that legal?
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  Speaker 3: Not in Florida? Carried openly in the vehicle in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: The firearm or carried in a vehicle in Florida, it
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  Speaker 3: either has to be on your person with a you know,
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  Speaker 3: on your person, concealed or securely in case not ready
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  Speaker 3: for immediate use, which entails closed up in the glovebox,
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  Speaker 3: center consoles, snapped in a holster, in a gun rug,
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  Speaker 3: in a gun box.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a magnetic clip holster thing that has a
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  Speaker 1: snap on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fine. Then if it's secure. Let's say the
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  Speaker 3: holster is secured to some part of the vehicle and
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  Speaker 3: it has a snap on it, then you would be
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  Speaker 3: fine under the statute. And the statute is kind of
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  Speaker 3: conflicting now with the that statute is kind of in
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  Speaker 3: some conflict, and I think there's probably some attorneys out
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  Speaker 3: there that would say you're perfectly fine doing that. They
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  Speaker 3: need to clean up some stuff with there because of
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  Speaker 3: the lack of the necessity for a concealed carry permit
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  Speaker 3: to carry it concealed. So but right now I would
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  Speaker 3: err on the side of caution and carry it in
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  Speaker 3: the vehicle the way the statute says.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the practicality of it. Let's say you're
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  Speaker 1: doing it legally and you've got the snap on it
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  Speaker 1: and so forth. Are there advantages to having it mounted
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  Speaker 1: that way versus something else? Or is it literally vehicle
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  Speaker 1: by vehicle, person by person?
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  Speaker 3: Is a vehicle by vehicle person by person thing? You know,
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  Speaker 3: it is readily at that point. If it's mounted there,
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  Speaker 3: it's readily accessible and it's quite fast to retrieve it
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  Speaker 3: from there. But you know, if you're and I tell
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  Speaker 3: people this, if you're paying attention to what's going on
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  Speaker 3: around you, you don't need a one point five second
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  Speaker 3: draw from your you know, sitting in your vehicle, you
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  Speaker 3: usually have some time to react if somebody's approaching your vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: So next question comes from Chris. He said, and we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this, what are your thoughts on pepper ball
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  Speaker 1: guns like burners?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a any kind of pepper device is a
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  Speaker 3: pain compliance for eighty or so percent of the population.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of them. I'm really not. Just
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  Speaker 3: like I'm not a big fan of pepper spray. It's
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  Speaker 3: a great distraction technique or distraction device, keeping in mind
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  Speaker 3: that OC only works on about eighty percent of the population.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've shared some personal stories about dealing with that
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  Speaker 1: in your law enforcement career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just I've been exposed to OC spray countless
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  Speaker 3: times as an instructor, teaching that in the academy and
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  Speaker 3: with agencies, and some people that just doesn't do much
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  Speaker 3: to I'm one of those people. It doesn't do much
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  Speaker 3: to me. It might make me mad if you sprayed
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  Speaker 3: me with it, but that's about the extent of It's
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  Speaker 3: not going to incapacitate me in any way. Now, the
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  Speaker 3: pepper ball or the burno stuff, you're getting some impact too.
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  Speaker 3: The downside to it is if you have somebody that's
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  Speaker 3: highly motivated to do you harm, it's not going to
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  Speaker 3: stop them. And just it's not like what you see
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  Speaker 3: on television or you know, it may stop a percentage
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  Speaker 3: of people that are not highly motivated to hurt you.
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  Speaker 3: But you get somebody that's on drugs mentally not all there,
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  Speaker 3: mentally in a state of rage, it's probably not going
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  Speaker 3: to stop them.
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  Speaker 2: They're at a totally different adrenaline level.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, and adrenaline is a very very powerful drug that
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  Speaker 3: our body manufactures.
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  Speaker 2: Levin passed the hour J. D.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson with me, and we are talking about personal defense,
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  Speaker 1: second amendments and things in the news. Before we get
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  Speaker 1: to that. I'm always putting the audience first, sir, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I always put them first.
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  Speaker 3: You do.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: This is a question from well, I'll leave the name
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  Speaker 1: out of it. I want to keep my ar in
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  Speaker 1: my bedroom closet for home defense. Any recommendations for a
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  Speaker 1: quick release locking system to keep it there safely?
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  Speaker 3: But ready, Yeah, there's there are some out there.
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  Speaker 2: She said, feel free to name brands.
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  Speaker 3: I can't, you know, I'm having a having not quite
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  Speaker 3: seen your moment yet. I can't remember there there is
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  Speaker 3: a company out there that makes one with a with
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  Speaker 3: a you know, a barrel lock set up that that
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  Speaker 3: clamps around it. And for the life of me, I
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  Speaker 3: can't call the brand. When you say a barrel lock,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a coke machine. Lock the realm the round key, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that you you push in and turn and then do
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  Speaker 3: the opposite to do you unlock the buttons?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, But let me ask you, if you had an emergency,
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  Speaker 1: is that the type of release you want?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it beats the alternatives, which I don't know of
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  Speaker 3: another alternative. I don't know anybody else I know the
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  Speaker 3: ones that I've seen uses that kind of device. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, under stress, it might be hard getting that
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  Speaker 3: key in the in the hole, right, you know. But
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  Speaker 3: once again, if you're locking it up for because you
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  Speaker 3: have kids in the house, that's one thing. Sure, you're
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  Speaker 3: locking it up because when you leave the house, you
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  Speaker 3: don't want it accessible to a bad guy that breaks
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  Speaker 3: into your house. That's a whole different citizennario. So hypothetically,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't have kids in the house that you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to secure it from, leave it unlocked while you're home,
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  Speaker 3: you know, lock it up when you leave the house.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, you have to kind of figure the circumstances,
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Federal Court ruling eighteen nineteen and twenty year olds cannot
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  Speaker 1: be prohibited from purchasing handguns. It has now been ruled unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably gonna end up in the Supreme Court. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to be ruling probably the same thing. But your thoughts, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it should have been that should have
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  Speaker 3: been overturned years ago. You know, at eighteen years old.
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  Speaker 3: I remember sending my draft card in at eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 3: saying that, you know, I could be drafted in the
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  Speaker 3: military service.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm responsible at eighteen years old for my actions. I'm
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  Speaker 3: an adult, and you know it shouldn't be it. It's
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  Speaker 3: bad to say there's some twenty five and thirty year
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  Speaker 3: olds that probably shouldn't be allowed.
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  Speaker 2: Beat me to the punch.
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  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, for fifty year olds, that
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  Speaker 3: people my age that shouldn't be allowed to have guns
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  Speaker 3: because of their behavior, their mindset, their attitude, whatever, lack
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  Speaker 3: of maturity, lack of maturity. But there's plenty of eighteen
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  Speaker 3: year olds that would be perfectly fine having access to
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  Speaker 3: or being able and in Florida right now, because of
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  Speaker 3: the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Act, you have to be twenty
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  Speaker 3: one to purchase a firearm of any kind period.
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  Speaker 1: Now, doesn't that render that law at this point pretty
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  Speaker 1: much unconstitutional?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it no, because it's a state law. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a federal law. There's things that are like right now,
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  Speaker 3: bump stocks are not prohibited federally in Florida. They're still
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  Speaker 3: illegal because of Florida statute. And there's a Florida statute
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  Speaker 3: that says any device that you put on a gun
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  Speaker 3: that increases it can increase the cyclic rate of the
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  Speaker 3: firearm or the speed in which you can fire the firearm.
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  Speaker 3: There's a law on the books in Florida. Bump stocks
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  Speaker 3: are illegal in Florida. Reforced reset triggers, all of these
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  Speaker 3: things that are have been federally made legal through court
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  Speaker 3: decisions are still not legal in Florida right now.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not subject to what the United States Constitution
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  Speaker 1: says because of.
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  Speaker 3: The Tenth Amendment that says states can make their own laws.
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  Speaker 2: It's still but aren't there limits to that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what the courts have to decide.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's challenged it in Florida. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know of anybody. I don't know of any chance.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if there's a state that ought to be smart
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  Speaker 1: enough to do the right thing and get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the red flag law, the long gun ban etc.
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  Speaker 2: Here in Florida. It's this legislature. They need to just
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 3: It needs to be addressed one way or the other
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  Speaker 3: so that there's some clarity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I would appreciate the consistency as well.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty one past the Hour. JD.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson of the talent training group talent range dot Com
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  Speaker 1: is our guest co host with Charlie on the weekends
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  Speaker 1: with Talent Outdoors, and a cast of characters has evolved
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  Speaker 1: over time. You can do his laugh at this point.
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  Speaker 3: I do a lot of that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I get so tickled in there sometimes, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you do. All right.
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  Speaker 1: We got to call off air and it was something
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  Speaker 1: we were going to talk about anyway because the governor
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  Speaker 1: has said, look, let's let's cross the finish line on
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  Speaker 1: the second Amendment here and let's get open carry to
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  Speaker 1: my desk.
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  Speaker 2: I will sign it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got Wayne Ivy, Sheriff of Broward I believe it
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  Speaker 1: is Broward County saying, look, the majority of sheriffs in
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  Speaker 1: this state are fine with open carry and support it.
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  Speaker 1: The association is the one that's opposing it. So let's
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  Speaker 1: let's just talk open carry for just a second, because
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  Speaker 1: the lady you called in said, women need it so
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  Speaker 1: they can not be targets and it can be seen
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  Speaker 1: that they have a firearm on their person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've made my position really clear about this
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  Speaker 3: many many times over. I am I am in favor
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  Speaker 3: of it constitutionally speaking correct. I think everybody should have
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  Speaker 3: the right, just like we have the rights to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other things that are not the smartest
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  Speaker 3: thing in the world to do. Tactically. It's a horrible decision.
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  Speaker 1: Speak to that can please address it from the women's
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  Speaker 1: perspective as best you can.
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  Speaker 3: So the downside to it is most women are not
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  Speaker 3: going to go to the trouble of having a security
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  Speaker 3: type holster because they're big and bulky and not friendly
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  Speaker 3: to small guns. They don't make them for small guns.
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  Speaker 3: They don't make them for concealable firearms. And what I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about is when you see a police officer on
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  Speaker 3: the street that's openly carrying. One of the big concerns
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  Speaker 3: of being a police officer because they have a gun
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  Speaker 3: sitting there in wide open spaces is retention. If somebody
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  Speaker 3: decides they want to take your gun from you, and
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  Speaker 3: there's times when police officers and crowds there's people arms
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  Speaker 3: reach right behind them, this, that, and the other. Holsters
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  Speaker 3: take one or two or most of the time at
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  Speaker 3: least three different steps to draw that gun from the holster.
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  Speaker 3: They have retention hoods, retention snaps, trigger guard snaps, and this,
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  Speaker 3: so they're having to push two or three buttons. So
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  Speaker 3: let's just call it two or three buttons to draw
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  Speaker 3: that weapon out. Civilians are not going to go to
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  Speaker 3: that trouble to carry a Level three Safari land you
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  Speaker 3: know s l S, a LS security holster. The likelihood,
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  Speaker 3: in my in my humble opinion, the likelihood of somebody
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  Speaker 3: taking your gun away from you when you're not paying
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  Speaker 3: attention is much higher if they know you have it.
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  Speaker 1: So you and the lady you called was concerned, and
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  Speaker 1: I get it, concerned about being a target in the
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  Speaker 1: world we live in today, which is absolutely a reality.
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  Speaker 1: But your contention is that this in fact might make.
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  Speaker 3: You more of a target or of a target, and
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  Speaker 3: some bad guy is gonna end up taking your gun
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  Speaker 3: from you because you've never trained to physically retain your
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  Speaker 3: gun or get in a fight over a gun that
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  Speaker 3: you're wearing on your host.
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  Speaker 1: And to be abundantly clear, we're not talking about carrying
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  Speaker 1: concealed We're talking about openly carry.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about open carry where it's I'm you know,
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  Speaker 3: two feet away from you, and I can see that
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  Speaker 3: within arms reach. You're wearing a gun in a holster
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  Speaker 3: that's probably not a secure holster that and I can
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  Speaker 3: physically overpower you and take your gun from you. And
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  Speaker 3: whether I use it on you or not is up
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  Speaker 3: to me at that point. Is that if I'm the
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  Speaker 3: bad guy, right, so there is a lot of drawbacks.
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  Speaker 3: I would not carry openly even if it was legal
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  Speaker 3: for me to do so. And I was a police
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  Speaker 3: officer for twenty six years. Know how to defend and
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  Speaker 3: fight to keep my gun. I've been trained at that
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  Speaker 3: time and time again that was an every year thing.
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  Speaker 2: And you're just not afraid to punch someone in the face.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm six foot three, two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: pounds and save enough to overpower a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: where a smaller, weaker person may not be. Right. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad idea Tactically, I think we
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  Speaker 3: all should have the right to make a bad decision.
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  Speaker 3: If that's you know what we want to do. So,
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  Speaker 3: I think that you know, the ladies like the lady
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  Speaker 3: saying I think, but I think you can give off
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  Speaker 3: the air of don't mess with me by the way
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  Speaker 3: you carry yourself and the way you behave and the
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  Speaker 3: things you say, and the way you look at people
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  Speaker 3: and all you can send a whole lot of signals. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you can don't mess with me. I'm capable of taking
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  Speaker 3: care of myself exactly, eye contact, paying attention to your surroundings,
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  Speaker 3: not getting so caught up and doing whatever it is
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  Speaker 3: you're doing out in public that you're not aware of
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  Speaker 3: your surroundings. Yeah, and you know I harp on being
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  Speaker 3: aware of your surroundings. And that's what I'm talking about
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  Speaker 3: when I say that, not not just you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking around and watching who's moving or whatever, but make
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  Speaker 3: an eye contact, carrying yourself the right way.
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  Speaker 1: Got to get right back to it. Personal defense. Time
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  Speaker 1: always goes so fast. When we've got JD. Charlie in
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  Speaker 1: the studio, JD Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group,
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  Speaker 1: we go right to the phone lines. Alan, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being patient. What's your question for JD?
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  Speaker 3: Great?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much. My question is is that While
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  Speaker 4: I don't disagree about open carry and the problems associated
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  Speaker 4: with letting people know that you're carrying a weapon, the
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  Speaker 4: question I have is is there are they going to
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  Speaker 4: modify the seal carry so that in the event that
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  Speaker 4: I inadvertently flash or print, I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 4: in trouble because as a big man, my shirts don't
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  Speaker 4: always go down as far as they need to go,
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  Speaker 4: and if I raise my arms, there's a possibility that
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  Speaker 4: my weapon might show. So I know that that's a
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  Speaker 4: problem with the concealed from it as it is.
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  Speaker 3: Actually it's not. That has been corrected years ago. The
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  Speaker 3: printing is absolutely not a problem. And the inadvertent exposure
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  Speaker 3: of your weapon, the unintentional inadvertent exposure of your firearm
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  Speaker 3: under the current concealed carry laws has been has been
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  Speaker 3: fixed all.
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  Speaker 2: That they fixed that in the law.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, it's not now just we're talking about No,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's in print now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been that was fixed five or six some
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  Speaker 3: years ago.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Alan, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate, uh appreciate your call. I want to continue
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  Speaker 1: our discussion on because it really gets to the heart
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  Speaker 1: of what we always talk about here with personal defense
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  Speaker 1: and how one carries oneself and just some simple things
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  Speaker 1: that you can point listeners to on just what needs
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  Speaker 1: to be pattern and habit for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when you're out in public, you're pulling
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  Speaker 3: into a parking lot at a big store, don't pull
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  Speaker 3: in straight off the road and straight into a parking space.
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  Speaker 3: Slow down a little bit, maybe drive the parking lot,
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  Speaker 3: drive through the parking lot to park on the opposite
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  Speaker 3: side from where you entered the parking lot at you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you see somebody sketchy that you think doesn't look right,
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  Speaker 3: listen to that little voice in your head that says, hey,
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  Speaker 3: something's not right here, and either don't go in, or
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  Speaker 3: don't get out of your car, or keep moving or
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  Speaker 3: find somewhere different or whatever. You know, if you get
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  Speaker 3: surprised with something, make eye contact. Let that guy that
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  Speaker 3: makes you nervous, let him know that you see him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, make eye contact with him, and don't let
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  Speaker 3: somebody out in public. Have one of my one of
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  Speaker 3: my dear friends and customers come in the store yesterday
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  Speaker 3: or day before and was telling me she was at
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  Speaker 3: the gas station on her way out to the range
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  Speaker 3: and some guy, some shady looking fellow, comes up to
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: her at the gas pumps, and she said, I stopped him.
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  Speaker 3: I put my hand up when he was about ten
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  Speaker 3: feet away and just said, no, I don't have anything
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  Speaker 3: for you. Leave me alone. And you know, so what
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  Speaker 3: you offended somebody that was fixing to ask for money
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it was that they were fixing to do.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: But she said, he immediately turned around and went the
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  Speaker 3: other way, you know. And I'm like, well, that's exactly
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: you handled that exactly right. She said. I was very
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  Speaker 3: forceful and said no, I don't have anything for you,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and addressed him before he got in that distance. And
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  Speaker 3: I know for a fact that she was carrying and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: always does so concealed and she was able to back
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  Speaker 3: up that posture and that behavior that she took, but
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  Speaker 3: because she was forceful about it on the before it
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  Speaker 3: ever got there.
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  Speaker 1: That is a classic example of the old mom's adage
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  Speaker 1: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've shared this story. I was we
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  Speaker 3: were at took the kids up to the Imax Theater
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  Speaker 3: and Claiming Plaza to a movie in the afternoon, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I saw this guy come off the sidewalk as we
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: were all walking out and as me and my family
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  Speaker 3: and he comes off and he's making a bee line
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  Speaker 3: for us. I mean he changed direction, locked on and
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  Speaker 3: he's coming right straight for us, and the kids kept walking.
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  Speaker 3: I just stopped, took a little bit, changed my stance
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, took a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 3: defensive stance as he's walking up, and just that I
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: didn't have to say anything or do anything. I just
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: stopped and I locked on his eyes, made very you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: made eye contact with him, changed my posture and got
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: into kind of a defensive stance, and that guy just
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: made a hard rite and completely changed his direction just
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: from that little bit of body language projection, And that
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  Speaker 3: can absolutely change a bad guy's behavior. He decided he
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: didn't want to come up and talk to us anymore,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and just from my body language. Yeah, because people that
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: live on the streets and there's all kind of signals
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: that they pick up. We take for granted sometime you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: know that we don't pay attention to, but they do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're reading you every step of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Shadie Johnson with.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Me for a few more minutes, and we're going to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: just take take this where it has led us, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that is some tips. We always try to find something
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that we can help people get better at being more
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: prepared to be safe. And let's take these examples that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. You just mentioned a situation where you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: took a more defensive stance. Accelerate that a little bit
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to the range where someone can practice, and some things
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: that they should maybe think about and do if they
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: should have to draw firem.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the things President is is and I
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: see it people all the time at the range. They'll
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: start out it. They'll start out from the time they
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: fload their gun and put it in the hollister or whatever,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and they're going to go practice their shooting drill. They
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: stay in that defensive posture the entire time they're there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: So why not try starting from a very relaxed position,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: hands down below your waist or in your pockets or whatever.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: You start out with your hands in your pockets like
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: you're you know, happy, go lucky, whatever, walk into the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: store looking for your wallet, trying to get your credit
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: card out to pay with whatever. Start in that position.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Start in that position of disadvantage. Maybe your back is
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to the target, and then get somebody to help you there,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: or use a shot time, or we rent them out,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you can buy your own. Where you're prompt prompted either
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: verbally or with a shot time or beep to change
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: to go from being relaxed in that relaxed state to
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a fighting stance or to a fighting position or to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: a straight to a draw. You know you can. You
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: need to practice. If you're going to carry conceal, you
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: need to practice getting your cover garment out of the way,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: whatever that is, whether it's a shirt, a jacket, a vest,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: to whatever you're carrying in a bag. You need to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: practice from that from that starting point.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is if you're carrying concealed, you're you've got
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: something covering it, even if you're just wearing a simple
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: untucked shirt.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: But there are things that you need to know about
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: preparing to draw. One of them that we talked about
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: just briefly in the break was you know, I'm wearing
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a little sweater vest right now and just casually having
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: my hand on the bottom of that garment to get
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: ready to tug it out.
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  Speaker 2: Of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know, whether it's a whether it's pulling
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the jacket to the side lifting the T shirt up right,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, and you don't have to lift it from
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the bottom. You can you can keep your hands.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know any boxers that fight starting out with
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: their hands blow their waist. So generally when we get
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: into a fighting stance of some kind or another, our
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: hands are pretty significantly above our waist and below our shoulders, right,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: So we're somewhere in this with our hands out in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: front of us. So if you're starting from that position,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you can grab your shirt, you know, halfway up and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: lift it high enough to get your support hand in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: there to or get your support hand up high enough
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: to lift the shirt so you can get your strong
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: hand on your fiarm.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: You love people coming out to the range and plinking.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: It's a great fun, it's a lot of it's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's a great family time. But if you're carrying for
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the purpose of personal defense.
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  Speaker 3: You need to practice the way you're going.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: You can't just stand still and shoot paper targets.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Get in the habit of side stepping to the left,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: to the right, to the rear, maybe even stepping forward
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to advance. If you're you're carrying a farm that you're
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: not proficient with at whatever distance may be. You may
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: want to be an effective To put an effective shot
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: on target, you may have to take a couple of
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: steps forward.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: If you're carrying concealed and you're practicing at the range.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of people shoot one shot and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: kind of look over their gun and stare it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Did they do?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But in this concealed carry situation where you have to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: deploy your firearm and fire, one shot is not the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: thing to do well.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: One shot might do the trick if you put that
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: one shot in the right place. You just have to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: be prepared for that second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever to do.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: You advise people to do one shot and look or
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: two or three.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I said, you you you want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: make that first shot count. But I don't ever want
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to stop with that first shot, as I don't want
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: There's no guarantee and is more likely than not that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that one shot is not going to do the trick
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: right and unless you just get really lucky, you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Know, and that includes people that are professionallyslutely.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, law enforcement, you know you're you have it
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: in your head. I'm going to pull the trigger while
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: aimed at the bad guy until the thread is not
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: there anymore. If that happens in one shot, you got
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: to be prepared to turn off the turn off the switch. Uh.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't happen in the first shot and I'm
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: still presented with a threat there, I'm going to keep
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: shooting until the thread is not there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: As always, thanks for the time, my pleasure, appreciate. Always
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: fun to visit JD. Johnson with us remember Talent Outdoors
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: on the weekend, and of course you can go see
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: him at the Talent Training Group online a talentrange dot
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  Speaker 1: com