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Ep. 358: Finding the Buck of Your Dreams with Heath Cisco · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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  Speaker 1: and today the show, I'm joined by d I Y
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter Keith Cisco to discuss in detail exactly how
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  Speaker 1: he locates studies and moves in on top tier white
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  Speaker 1: tail box. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today the show, we
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  Speaker 1: have got another good one for you. And I might
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  Speaker 1: be biased here, but I feel like the last month
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  Speaker 1: of shows has just been loaded with great white tail knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rentmester, Any ma Ustin Hollandsworth and now Heath Cisco.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a stacked lineup of deer hunters, and that
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  Speaker 1: of course is by design. Hunting seasons quickly approaching and
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  Speaker 1: as all of our preparations are ramping up as we
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  Speaker 1: head in the hunting season, I want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we're ramping up the podcast and all the knowledge
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  Speaker 1: that we can bring you to. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: continue that in the coming weeks and months. We've got
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  Speaker 1: some really great how to stuff coming up, and today's
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  Speaker 1: episode definitely fits right in there with that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Heath Cisco is a very experienced big buck hunter from Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: He's been involved with filming for Don and Candy Kisski,
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  Speaker 1: The Learning Curve and White Tail Addictions, where his most
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  Speaker 1: recent hunts have now been airing. He's hunted in a
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  Speaker 1: variety of places all across the country, ranging from farm
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  Speaker 1: country scenarios to hill country and all along the way.
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  Speaker 1: He's targeted top tier bucks, you know, just pushing himself
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  Speaker 1: year after year after year to become better. And here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. You know, whether or not you want to
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  Speaker 1: shoot a doe or a young buck, or any buck
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  Speaker 1: or a big niture buck, whatever it is, whatever your
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  Speaker 1: goals are, you can learn from somebody like this, Because
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  Speaker 1: I think that when you've got a guy who is
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  Speaker 1: setting high standards for himself and he's figured out ways
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  Speaker 1: to meet those goals, you know what someone that's had
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  Speaker 1: to learn a lot, who's had to test a lot
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  Speaker 1: of new ideas, who's failed a lot, and then try
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  Speaker 1: to figure out new approaches, and then they have to
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  Speaker 1: do that over and over and over and trying to
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  Speaker 1: get over that next hump, over that next personal goal. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you can learn a lot from somebody like this, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of what your goals are. And I think that I
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  Speaker 1: think that I certainly didn't. I think you will to
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  Speaker 1: learn some things from Heath. And here's the other thing
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting is that Heath is actually hunting Buddies
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  Speaker 1: with Justin Hollandsworth, our guest on the podcast last week.
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  Speaker 1: And I did this on purpose, you know, having them
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  Speaker 1: on back to back episodes, because I think it. I
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  Speaker 1: think it is kind of interesting to compare and contrast
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  Speaker 1: their two approaches and these two discussions, because you've got
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  Speaker 1: two guys here who share ideas, who think about things
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  Speaker 1: in some of us in some similar ways, who swap
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  Speaker 1: hunting stories, who share hunting properties, even and you think
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  Speaker 1: that they would do the exact same thing. Maybe, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not entirely true, or at least it's not. It's
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  Speaker 1: not entirely true when it comes to how they think
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  Speaker 1: about some of these things and how they communicate them.
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  Speaker 1: So I think by having these two conversations back to
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  Speaker 1: back like this, by grilling these two guys separately in
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  Speaker 1: detail about how they hunt, we've kind of gotten a
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  Speaker 1: really cool master class on this aggressive style of hunting
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  Speaker 1: that they both use, but through two different sets of eyes,
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  Speaker 1: two different sets of experiences, and uh, at least from
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  Speaker 1: my vantage point, it turned out being very interesting and helpful. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm armed now with some new ideas that
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to give a shot. So that is what
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  Speaker 1: we have in store today. Uh. I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. I'm excited for you to hear it. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you guys tuning in. Man, we've been around a
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  Speaker 1: long time this podcast. I mean years and years and years,
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  Speaker 1: three and fifty some episodes of the main show, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, dozens and does and since dozens of radio
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and you guys have stuck with us.
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  Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that what am I trying to
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  Speaker 1: say here? I hope it's because we've been helpful enough
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  Speaker 1: to make this a worthwhile, valuable part of your day.
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  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, I'm tickled. That's that's all
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  Speaker 1: I can ever wish for. So all that is to say,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Enjoy this one. Sit back, grab a pen
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  Speaker 1: and paper because you might want to take some notes,
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  Speaker 1: and let's get ready to talk bucks. All right. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited now to have on the line with me, Heath Cisco. Heath,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Mark appreciate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is UH, this is gonna be a good chat.
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  Speaker 1: I can already tell I've I've been listening to various
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  Speaker 1: things you've done. I've I've seen various videos you've done.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked to people you know, UM and so I
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  Speaker 1: know you are a wealth of information. But before we
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  Speaker 1: dig into all sorts of things related to how you
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  Speaker 1: target big, old mature bucks for people that aren't familiar
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  Speaker 1: with who you are, can you just give us the
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  Speaker 1: quick rundown. Who's Heath Cisco? How did you get to
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  Speaker 1: this point? Sure? Well, I started bow hunting at an
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  Speaker 1: early age and set my goals for popeon class Bucks
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  Speaker 1: at the age of eighteen. I the following year I
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  Speaker 1: was successful with that. UH. Several years later, I got
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  Speaker 1: into video and and got to be friends with UH
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  Speaker 1: guy by the name of Don Kisski and worked for
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  Speaker 1: UH White Tail Extremes for a few years and videoed,
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  Speaker 1: and then I got back out of it because it
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  Speaker 1: took basically two people to in a tree to do
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  Speaker 1: the video and stuff. Got back out of it just
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  Speaker 1: was a hardcore bow hunter trying to pick up everything
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  Speaker 1: I could from different people of the means of Miles Keller,
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  Speaker 1: GANE Winsor, Roger Rothar, Bobby Worthington, different people like that.
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  Speaker 1: And then in two thousand six, UH stumbled onto a
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  Speaker 1: guy by the name of Andre de Quisto, and my
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  Speaker 1: hunting completely changed after that point, and I've been very
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  Speaker 1: successful over the past several years. Yeah, you've got a
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  Speaker 1: heck of a lot of UH impressive mentors and influences
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  Speaker 1: there that a lot of us have learned from from Afar,
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  Speaker 1: but you've actually been able to have some of that
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  Speaker 1: up close experience. And it's funny. One of the guys
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  Speaker 1: that I know that you run with now, a friend
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  Speaker 1: of yours, Justin Hollandsworth, was just on the show UH
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  Speaker 1: previously here. I chat with him last week. I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll be when this one airs. And I've never done
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  Speaker 1: this before, had hunting buddies back to back, So it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of kind of sets up an interesting thing and
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong on any of this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but it sets up an interesting comparison where two guys
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  Speaker 1: that have hunted together in the past, that know each
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  Speaker 1: other's ways. You know, I'm asking Justin last week what
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  Speaker 1: he does now this week. I'm gonna be kind of
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  Speaker 1: picking your brain and it's gonna be interesting to see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what you guys have in common where you
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  Speaker 1: guys deviate and I guess I should ask you first though.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that there are any big things that
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  Speaker 1: you and Justin differ on? Is there something that he
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  Speaker 1: thinks you're just nuts for doing? Or vice versa? H No,
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  Speaker 1: nothing jumps out at me. I mean we each have
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  Speaker 1: our own little thing we do, maybe just a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different, but most of them are the same. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we bounce ideas back if if he's doing something
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not doing, our conversations lead me into doing
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  Speaker 1: something like that or vice versa. I think because we
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  Speaker 1: bounced so much stuff off each other. Yeah. Can you
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  Speaker 1: can you think of any recent time when one of
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  Speaker 1: you guys brought up a new idea to the other
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  Speaker 1: that was like, ah, that's a damn good idea. Can
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  Speaker 1: you think of any example like that? Sure? Well, several
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  Speaker 1: years ago I was into making mock scrapes and running
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  Speaker 1: cameras over him, not necessarily hunting over, but running cameras
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  Speaker 1: over and I just happened to stumble onto using white
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  Speaker 1: pine branches above the scrapes. And I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it is, uh the sap, maybe it holds the scent
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  Speaker 1: more or whatever, but it seems like if you hang
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  Speaker 1: these white pine branches in the woods over a scrape,
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  Speaker 1: the deer kind of, uh you know, our funnel towards him.
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  Speaker 1: And it's great for getting trail camera pictures. And I
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  Speaker 1: tipped Justin off to that and he's been doing it
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  Speaker 1: with great success. It's a good little tip. So do
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  Speaker 1: you see you're cutting off a white pine branch somewhere
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  Speaker 1: else and relocating it to a spicer? Yes, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't I think some of its visual, But then also
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  Speaker 1: I assume that they're you able to leave more sent
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  Speaker 1: on it. And I don't know if they just like
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  Speaker 1: the pine limon or in their face or what, but
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  Speaker 1: it works very well. I just tried it one day,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, every place I've been it's been very successful.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm mainly for out of state
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  Speaker 1: like in Illinois and Iowa and stuff using those where
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  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to use let's say, some kind of
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  Speaker 1: bait or attracting or something like that. Setting up mox
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  Speaker 1: scrapes within pine tree limbs have been great. And how
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  Speaker 1: are you attaching those limbs to attachment to a tree
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  Speaker 1: or to a post or where? Where? And how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing that? Sure? Well, I have and one of
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  Speaker 1: my food plots I've got I've got a post with
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  Speaker 1: a piece of rebar coming out the top of it,
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  Speaker 1: bent over, and then I attached it to that rebar
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  Speaker 1: in the woods. It's mainly just taking some wire ties
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  Speaker 1: and tying it to another brand inchka and letting it hang,
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  Speaker 1: letting it hang straight down. Okay, Yeah, those mox scrapes
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  Speaker 1: are some of my favorite ways for forgetting those pictures
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  Speaker 1: like you described. But that's a good it's a good
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  Speaker 1: idea with the specific type of branch um. So back
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  Speaker 1: to back to justin for a second. Then, Am I
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  Speaker 1: right that you guys have in the past shared hunting
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  Speaker 1: property hunt the same place at the same time, Is
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  Speaker 1: that right? Yes? Absolutely, yeah, we did this past uh
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  Speaker 1: this past fall we were hunting on a new one
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  Speaker 1: noise farm together and he actually, uh, I've seen the
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  Speaker 1: buck that I took a couple of days from stand
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  Speaker 1: and then I got out there and was able to
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  Speaker 1: get on him. And get him down. Yeah, that that's
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  Speaker 1: what I saw. And so here's my question then about that,
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  Speaker 1: is what's the dynamic like when you guys are sharing
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  Speaker 1: a hunting property, Because I think this is something that
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  Speaker 1: that I've encountered but haven't really talked to other people about,
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  Speaker 1: Like what are some of the right ways or wrong
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  Speaker 1: ways to manage that when you've got two serious hunters
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  Speaker 1: or several serious hunters who are hunting the same place
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  Speaker 1: and in the back of their minds, they have a
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  Speaker 1: certain spot they want to hunt and you know there
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  Speaker 1: could be some competition going on there or I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: how do you guys manage that so it doesn't become
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  Speaker 1: a negative thing where someone's jealous or upset because someone
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  Speaker 1: gets the better spot or somebody killed the other guy's
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  Speaker 1: buck that he really wanted or anything like that. How
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  Speaker 1: do you manage that? Sure? And you gotta watch that
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  Speaker 1: because like me and Justin are really good friends and
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  Speaker 1: we share information on the properties that we hunt in Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: And uh so I used some of his information to
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  Speaker 1: actually tag this buck that I did. And it's not
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  Speaker 1: that he couldn't have done it, but when he was
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  Speaker 1: out there for his three or four day time span. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it just didn't work for him. He was he was
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  Speaker 1: basically unlucky. He picked one stand and the deer was
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  Speaker 1: by another one, and then it just didn't work out
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  Speaker 1: for me. When I went out there, I just got
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  Speaker 1: really aggressive and jumped right in on his bed and
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  Speaker 1: end up killing it. And he was tickled to death
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  Speaker 1: for me because we had other deer to hunt. So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's okay if you have several deer to hunt,
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  Speaker 1: if you only have one particular buck that you're both after,
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  Speaker 1: that could it a little harry? Yeah, So do you
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  Speaker 1: guys pick different times to hunt, or when you guys
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  Speaker 1: are there together, give a system for who gets first
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  Speaker 1: pick of what spot they want to hunt or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. Uh, we usually don't do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just whatever works out for him. Like I could
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  Speaker 1: have went out the same time in late October that
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  Speaker 1: he did, but I just decided to give him four
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  Speaker 1: days on hunting and then I would jump in afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: That way, I had the whole farm to myself. But
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  Speaker 1: at times, you know, we may be out there at
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  Speaker 1: the same time during the runt, and uh, we'll just
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  Speaker 1: use each other and try to team up and take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of opportunities. Okay, okay, it makes sense. So so
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  Speaker 1: I want to rewind out a little bit to something
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned the beginning. You said that when you were
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  Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen years old, you pretty quickly jumped into
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  Speaker 1: having some kind of goal attached to your hunting, and
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  Speaker 1: you decide you want to try to kill pop and
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  Speaker 1: young buck, and I hear i've heard recently that you've
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  Speaker 1: continued to advance that goal to now you're targeting one
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  Speaker 1: seventy plus white tails. Um, ideally, I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 1: curious to hear what was that process like for you,
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  Speaker 1: going from just trying to figure out hunting too, then
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  Speaker 1: deciding you want to set up type goal, and then
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  Speaker 1: bumping that up year after a year to where you
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  Speaker 1: are now, Um, why do you do that? What's that
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  Speaker 1: process been like? And what do you what do you
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  Speaker 1: what are you trying to get out of that? If
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sure, So for one, trophy
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  Speaker 1: hunt is trophy hunting isn't for everyone. So each person
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  Speaker 1: has got to set their own goals and do what
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  Speaker 1: they want to do. I don't look down on anybody
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  Speaker 1: for targeting smaller bucks or even dose. It's their own
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  Speaker 1: personal choice. When I was eighteen years old, when I
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  Speaker 1: was hanging out with a couple of guys that were
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  Speaker 1: older and had taken poping young class deer, and I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to step up. I killed a couple of bucks.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to step my game up. It actually the
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  Speaker 1: following year I was able to meet that goal, and
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  Speaker 1: I just kept my goal. Every year was at least
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  Speaker 1: a one thirty class, dear, and then it would jumped
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  Speaker 1: up to a couple of years later it would ump
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  Speaker 1: up to a one forty, and then you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: I can't say it slowly progressed because it's backtrack several
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  Speaker 1: times and stuff as well. I went down in score,
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  Speaker 1: and then some years I didn't kill a deer. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a goal I set for myself. And uh
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  Speaker 1: so going through the whole process. Uh in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: it was like, can I kill a good buck every
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  Speaker 1: two or three years. Then it got to a point
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  Speaker 1: to where, okay, I'm doing that. I want to kill
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  Speaker 1: one every other year, And then it got to where
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to kill a good one every year. And
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  Speaker 1: when it got to that certain point of killing one
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  Speaker 1: every year, uh my, I kept raising the bar on
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  Speaker 1: score wise. And it's not that I try to set
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  Speaker 1: my goal to kill a bigger deer than what I
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  Speaker 1: killed this year next. It's just a personal goal I
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  Speaker 1: set for myself so I can ohio. My goal at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season is a one seventy class buck,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll pass up really good deer to try to
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  Speaker 1: meet that goal. But when it gets close to uh December,
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  Speaker 1: when our gun season comes in after December, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: not on a really good buck, my standards drop. And
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  Speaker 1: I tried to hunt a really mature buck and then
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  Speaker 1: come into late December and January, that really mature buck
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  Speaker 1: maybe a hundred and twenty in buck and maybe a
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  Speaker 1: hundred forty buck, but that's what I'll target. I'll change
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  Speaker 1: my target goal towards the end of the season. Do
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  Speaker 1: you ever find yourself upset because you passed on a
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  Speaker 1: buck like a hundred and sixty inch great buck in
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  Speaker 1: mid October that in December you would have loved to
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  Speaker 1: get a shot at and then you don't or are
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  Speaker 1: you always pretty happy with that just because it was
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  Speaker 1: the process and that that pushing yourself that you're really
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  Speaker 1: going for well in the beginning when I first started
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  Speaker 1: setting my goal higher and higher. Yes, it was. I
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  Speaker 1: was upset a couple of times because one of the
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  Speaker 1: bucks I passed was a hundred and sixty some inch
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  Speaker 1: ten and three days later he got hit by a
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  Speaker 1: car and I was the reason I passed teams because
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  Speaker 1: I just knew he could be a booner class next year.
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  Speaker 1: And that was kind of tough. But over the years, uh,
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  Speaker 1: just like this year, I passed up a really good
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  Speaker 1: buck in Ohio, couple of them, and then end up
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  Speaker 1: killing a lot smaller deer, but it was an older
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  Speaker 1: age class deer. And you know you, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: set your goal. That's what you're gonna do. I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: with it, especially now that I got a camera with
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  Speaker 1: me all the time. You know, it's just like I've
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  Speaker 1: killed the buck, I've got any more on film, and
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  Speaker 1: it's great footage I can show my family and that's
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  Speaker 1: satisfying enough for me. Yeah, that is fun, and you
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  Speaker 1: can kind of relive that moment over and over and
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  Speaker 1: that's still pretty cool. Yes, Uh so, so tell me
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  Speaker 1: this then. So over the years you've set these goals,
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  Speaker 1: they've been growing over time. You continue to push yourself
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  Speaker 1: and continue to reach those goals most times are it.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm curious what have been the biggest changes in
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  Speaker 1: how you operate that have gone along with it? So
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  Speaker 1: from when you're eighteen and shooting one too now when
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  Speaker 1: you're targeting these one seventies at the beginning of the season,
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  Speaker 1: what have been the biggest changes in how you operate
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  Speaker 1: as a hunter? Has there has been you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if this will be the case, but could
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  Speaker 1: it be like, you know, every year I've gotten more
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  Speaker 1: serious about this type of thing, or I'm just kind
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: of curious if there's like a handful of things or
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: one particular thing that you could see as the most
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: dynamic changing factor in how you hunt that has allowed
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you to progress higher and higher with these goals. Sure,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I would say there's several things. For one, Uh, I've
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: taken my scouting to a whole other level. Used to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: all my scouting was done in January and February, and
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I would lay out my plan to hunt particular farms
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: during the rut the following year, and I would already
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: pre hung my pre hang my stands, get all my
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: spots set up, and that worked. But it didn't work
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: great because a lot of Some of the farms just
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: don't have the caliber bucks that I'm after, and I
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: would spend time in there just knowing that a buck
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: was of the caliber I wanted on the farm, when
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: in all actuality, there wasn't one. So I'm running cameras
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: now to determine which farms actually have the deer, plus
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: scouting on top of that, because a lot of times
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you can hang cameras on a farm and uh not
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: get pictures of a big buck, but could be one
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: in there. I just run multiple farms, UH, do a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: lot more scouting, uh, and I hunt. I try to
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: hone my skills. Let's say I got pretty decent at
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: killing bucks during the first week in November, Well, what
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: do I gotta do to kill one to last week
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: in November? What do I gotta do to kill one
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the first week of October? What do I gotta do
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to kill one the last week of January. I start,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you know, rounding myself out as a good hunter in
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: all phases of the season, instead of just sticking with
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: hunting the rut, which what I That's what I used
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to do when I first started. It was just hunting
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the ruts, spending as much time in the woods and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: on a stand as possible and just waiting on one
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: to walk by. And are you are you honing those
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: skills simply by just spending more time focusing on those
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: time periods, so actually being in the stand at different
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: parts of the year, or are you doing anything on
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: top of that, like I don't know, reaching out to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: other people and asking your buddy Andre, your buddy selling slowly, Hey,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: how are you killing bucks in January or whatever it
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: might be, in the starting to try to, you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: proactively find these ways to to kind of sharpen the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: blade for each different part of the season um or
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: maybe studying past history. I don't know, are there any
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: specific ways you're doing other than just being out there?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Sure well, And like you said, I'm looking into people
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: who are having great success early season. I started having
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: really good luck in early season, first couple of days
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the season, which normally I wouldn't even hunt. I would
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: hold off, say my vacation for the last uh last
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: week of October, the first two weeks in November. Now,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: after talking to in two thousand six, like I said,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: when White Teledictions came out, completely changed my outlook on
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: pursuing white tail. Just the aggressiveness tactics that Andre applied
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and and his hunting is I mean, he loves October
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and I hardly hunted in October back then. Uh So
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: what I did was I started listening to him, listening
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to other people, and started going in and trying things.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And I would try something. I would try setting up
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a certain way on a buck, uh you know, in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a feeding area on acorns in second week of October,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and then if fact didn't work well, then I would
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: try to find his bed moving closer. I would It's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: trial and error, listening to people that you believe in
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and taking note, taking their tactics and applying them in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a hunting setting and figuring out what works, and when
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it works, you just build off of that. And that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: what I've done. And then picking his brain and the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: same way with picking Justin's brain and several other people
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and just trying to apply that and seeing what works
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and hunting less skills. Yeah. Justin was talking the other
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: day about how one of the biggest, biggest kind of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: shifts for him when it went from having kind of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: average success to above average success was when he started
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: pushing outside of his comfort zone. That was his big
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: thing was was getting outside of the normal, getting outside
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of the routine, getting uncomfortable doing things that usually he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: would think, oh, I shouldn't do that. But once he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: started doing those things, then he started learning more, growing more.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Um would you would you agree that that was kind
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: of similar transition you went through when you started being
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: more aggressive with some of those the questo tactics and whatnot.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely so, basically I was real conservative, set back, only
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: hunt certain farms, certain places at certain times. I relied
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: more on the rut to get the bucks up and moving. Uh.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And now I go in and I scout, I run cameras,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I scout, you know, boots on the ground, try to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: locate travel corridors, beds, and hunt bucks accordingly. And I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: hunt specific bucks and then uh, you know, it was
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: always my main thing was it was fear of failure.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to screw it up. I finally started
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: getting over that hump because if I screwed up, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: screwed up. But if I don't push the envelope and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: get in there and try to make it happen, I'll
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: miss out on an opportunity. The last ten years I've
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: had so many great bucks that I've had the opportunity
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to hunt, but I kind of tiptoed around and set back.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Now I get it in and just get after it
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and UH and make my first hunt count. And if
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work, I tear down and I moved to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: another spot, scout out hang, and I make that hunt count. Yeah,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: just don't fear failure is uh is what probably is
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the biggest limiting factor for bow hunters in my opinion. Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I can definitely test to that. I've certainly had a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: long period of my hunting career where that's that was
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: kind of the state of operation where I was constantly
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: just trying not to screw it up. It was just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: so worried about blowing a deer out that that, Yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you can just become paralyzed and and never really put
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: yourself in a position to succeed because you're so worried
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: about messing it up. So it's a great it's a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: great point. Now with these high standards that you're setting
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: for yourself, you're setting pretty aggressive goals. You're going in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: after specific bucks. You mentioned that you used to do
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: all that scouting the spring and then come back and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hunt later in the fall, and sometimes these bucks who
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: were after warning even the neighborhood. So what are you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: doing now to to actually locate that best buck? You
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: know that the typed tier buck. Does that Does that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: start in the summer with glass sing? Does that start
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: with just trail cameras in season? How do you actually
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: locate that number one buck or two that you're after
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: each year? So several different ways. It may start during
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the previous hunting season. It may start two seasons prior
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: when I've seen this buck or got some pictures of it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: It may start when I'm scouting a new farm in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the spring and I locate some big sign and then
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: if you know, put hang some cameras in there over
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a mineral liquor whatever, just trying to locate and figure
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: out what bucket is and you go from there. Or
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it could be driving around on the back roads, uh
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, in mid August glassing bean fields anyway. Or
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it could be just from a rumor of somebody saying, hey,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, we jumped the big buck back here in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: gun season and nobody got him, you know that kind
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of deal. Then I'll try to uh figure I'll look
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: at aerial photos, figure out property owners, and then dive
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in after that if I can get permission. Do you
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: ever go into a summer period where there's not a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: buck from previous years that you're really thinking you're gonna
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be too interested in. You haven't picked up anything on camera,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: so you you actually go out proactively searching for a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: buck like that in the summer, knowing that you're gonna
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: have to get new permission, but you're just gonna drive
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: around until you see that one seventy or that one
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: eighty or that special buck, um, knowing that you're just
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out access somehow. Sure, well, I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: haven't you know a lot of farms that I can
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: hunt I have access to in Ohio, and uh so
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, the quality of buck
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: may not be on one of those farms, or maybe
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there's a couple bucks that are good bucks, but maybe
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm I hear about another just absolute giant on another farm,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and then I try to pursue permission on it as well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And then you know, I like, I like having three
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: or four bucks that I have on my list to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: actually go after, because something always happens, another hunter moves
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in here, or you lose permission and or this buck
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: just disappears and then you know, like this year, I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: had a buck that I was pursuing in Ohio that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: would I would have thought that would have hit that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: one seventy mark, and he disappeared on me. He lived
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: on a farm that I didn't have access to, but
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it had access to the neighboring farm and he didn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: live on me. So I hunting it, hunted him sparingly
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and hoping that during the rut he would slide over
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: through there with a dog because I had a lot
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of dose on my farm. And he ended up disappearing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: on November eight. I never got another picture of him again,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: never seen him. But I was I can't say I was.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I was somewhat in the game, but it was a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: rut game that I was playing. I was hoping one
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of the ladies would drag him over. It just never happened. Yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that's a it's a risky game to play, just never
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: know sure. And I was not able to locate another
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: huntable buck of that caliber, so uh, I spent my
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: season season looking around trying to find a buck like
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that and end up getting on an older age class
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Buck in late December and was able to take it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: in January. Nice. So let's let's keep talking summer. Um.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Can you walk me through your summer glassing. Is that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: simply a matter of driving around the neighborhood by properties
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: already hunt or do you have I don't know. Do
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you ever look at the maps and say, man, this
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: is a good looking area. I want to explore this
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: spot and start driving around. And I don't know any
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: specifics as far as how you try to locate summer
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: bucks in that way. So I'll take a few trips
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in my truck glass and bean fields from the road,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and I've had some success with that, some pretty good
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: success with that. Then other ones, uh they'll be like
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a hidden bean field or a a isolated uh CRP
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: field to where I know some deer hangout throughout the summer,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: maybe staging to go up go on out to the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: road where maybe beans are and stuff. So I use
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that a little bit. I'm mainly try to run my
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: cameras in different let's say water holes, because you when
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it gets real dry in the summer, you find seeps
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and subside of these hills and then maybe there're a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: pond or and in Ohio you're allowed to run minerals,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So running minerals is great to get pictures of bucks
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in July and August. So I'll try to locate them
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that way. Like I said, I haven't had a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of success driving around, but I have had some pretty
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: good success. What's your what's your routine with the summer cameras.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: How often do you check at that time of the year. Well,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I'll I put my cameras out this coming weekend. It's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: always round right around July four, and then I'll leave
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: him out till late August, and then I'll go back
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in late August and replenish the mineral and uh and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: pull the switch the cards out and then I won't
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: go back in there and tell um mid September and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: pull the cards again and then uh. A lot of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: times where we I hang cameras and stuff. You know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the deer aren't living there in the summer. Some of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: them are some of the mark they're on out staged
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in other areas, on other farms where the food is
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: because it's all about food. So and if I don't
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have anything come you know September that I know there's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: some areas where deer always when they do their transition
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: from summer patterns to UH fall ranges. Uh, they'll move
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: in and I can usually locate one that way. Yes,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So what's then the shift? When that shift happens, you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: get into September, dear kind of relocate. How do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: transition your trail camera strategy are you I'm assuming maybe
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you move to new locations. Uh, just the mock scrape
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: locations with those pines he mentioned, Or do you do
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: anything else? Well, I don't. Usually I don't put the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: pine tree limbs out. Tell about the first, first or
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: second week of October, and in almost all my pine
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: pictures or mock scrape with pine tree limb pictures are
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: UH the second week of October through the first week
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in November, and then I'll get some more I'll leave
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: them out, but it's mainly that time frame, and then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: at the end of November I'll get pictures again on
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: them because during the usually during the breeding phase, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: don't get bury made pictures because they're usually locked down
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: with the dose. But I transition my cameras back to UH.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: A big goal is to find the acorn acorn trees
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that are producing. Let's say, if I can find a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: white oak flat that's uh loaded with acorns, I just
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: know the deer are gonna stack in there. Down here.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: They they've cut a lot of timber and there's not
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of You may have a acre farm and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: there's only let's say thirty white oak trees. If you
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: can find them white oak trees and they got acorns
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: on them, you can guarantee you that the biggest buccaneer
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: area is probably gonna be in there eating acorns at
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: some point in time. Uh, if there's no pressure and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I set up cameras associated with food and so that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing that I'm constantly debating, trying to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: find those in seasoned food sources like that. You know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it requires you moving around more, checking out new areas,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and going back to what you alluded to earlier. The
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: whole fear of failure. I am always worried, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: if I move around too much looking for something like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that hot oak tree, Um, I couldn't bumping something around.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: How do you balance that? How do you get in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: there with a camera to check for oaks or just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to see it yourself and stept to hunt without doing
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it too often? Or in the wrong way. Sure, well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a quote that andre Quisto told me.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: He said, you gotta bump some deer to kill some deer. So, uh,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: if you've got to think about it. If let's say
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you have access to this two underd acre farm and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: there's also a squirrel hunter that has access to it
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: as well, or a coon hunter that goes in there,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: do you not think those deer are not getting jumped
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: by that rabbit, that squirrel hunter or that coon hunter.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: They're getting pushed around. It's it's what kind of pressure
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you're actually applying to it. If you go in there
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and you trump through the woods and you avoid certain
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: betting points and this and that. You know, you're just
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: going through there one day and the deer sees that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: they were able to avoid you, Uh, they got away. Uh.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: You know it worked for him. But if you go
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in there every day tiptoeing around, sneaking and acting like
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a predator, you know they will start acting a little
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: bit differently. But you just gotta keep the wind in
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: your face going there and scout different corners of the farm,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: going there a little bit deeper at times. Uh, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like going in a week or so before season and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: just tearing a farm apart to figure out everything you
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: can see the sign, and then when season gets here,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: already have a game plan on where you're gonna set
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: up the first day, and then once you hunt there
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the first day, tear your set down, scout around just
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit tiptoe, don't let your scent blow into
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the betting area, don't go up there and push the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: betting spots, and just set up again on fresh sign
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and hunt in and just continue moving around, and then
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: as the season progresses you should be figuring a lot
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: more out. Then if it gets to the timeframe like
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: happened to me last year in Illinois where it was
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the last week of October and you still haven't been
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: able to get it done. But you know around about
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: where that buck's betting diving there, scout it out and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: hang a set on their bed if everything works out right.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So so you gotta you gotta walk me through that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: week before opening day scouting session. First off, is that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: something that you're that you're gonna try to do every
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: year on some of your top spots, no matter what
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: or does it have to be, that you have to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: get that right wind and it has to be a
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: rainy day or really windy day, or something that allows
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you to be particularly stealthy with it. What's you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: what are some the qualifiers there? Sure? So if if
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I have my choice, I would prefer to go in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: uh during the day when it's going to rain that night.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I want a good, good heavy rain after I'm already
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: through there. If at all possible, if it's a couple
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of weeks before season, if I can time it that way,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: then great. If not, I'll just go in there, tramp around,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know, do the best I can cover every inch
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of the ground to see, you know, where a dear
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: betting at what acorn trees are dropping in your feeding on?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: What kind of sign of a laid out to this point?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: What kind of tracks have I seen? Is the crossing
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that I've seen in the spring? Is it? You know?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Is it? Are they using it as much as they
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: were before? Because it's a it's a week or two
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: before season. So I go into that one day, tear
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: it apart, and then leave and I'm not back in
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: there again until I'm going in there that morning to hunt. Mhmm.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: You said something that kind of stuck with me. You
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned about some of the things not to do. You said,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: if you're walking all over too often, sneaking around like
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a predator, you might spook these dear more so than otherwise.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So when you go out and do this preseason scouting session,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and you're going into that one day and you're tearing
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: apart to learn everything just before, are you actively trying
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to be louder than you had to be? Are you
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: trying to kind of be like, hey, I'm a farmer
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: walking through here, or I'm just like a random dude
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: walking with my dog um or do you sneak and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you can kind of get away with it? So the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: two weeks before, usually I just trumped through there, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I try not to, uh. I try to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: keep the wind in my face as much as possible.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: That way, if I do jump a buck, he doesn't
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: get wind of me. He'll just know that something scared
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: him up out of his bed or whatever. But I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: just I trump around a lot. I want to leave
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: no stone unturned. Uh. But then when I go back
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: into hunt and and then I do my scouting, then
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of tiptoe a little bit, you know. I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: keep the wind. I keep my wind out of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: bedding areas that I found two weeks prior. And then
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I just go down and look at this crossing. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: go up there, look at this tree and see if
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: they're you know, eating acorns or it started dropping order.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: If I seen a big rub over here, is it
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: still look like they're using this trail, then I'll jump
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: over and hunt those. Do you have any kind of
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: system for recording everything you find? Do you mark up maps,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: do you write down in a journal what you saw?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Or do you just kind of store in your mind
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and just remember the very most important stuff? Well used
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to I, Uh, I just wrote down in logs. I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: kept everything. I'd have an aerial photo and I would
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: write down different things I've seen and uh and where
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: my tree stands were the sign and stuff. Now, uh,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I can't say I've used it. But because I just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: this Father's Day discount they had for on X, I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: just purchased. Justin talked me into that. So he's a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: good salesman. But uh, but I'm planning on I used
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: hunt stand before, but I had some issues with it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: But yes, I like uh, I like putting way points
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and different things like that on different locations that I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: find maybe in the spring or maybe you know, the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: two weeks before when I'm in there looking around. But
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: usually if it's just two weeks, well it's it's not
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: going to leave my memory. I'll remember it pretty good.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, now, what about the scenario you outline there
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: where you're walking through when you bump a deer and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: he doesn't win you, but you bumped a buck. Um,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Let's let's lay two scenarios. One scenario is the week
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: or two before the season, and then the second scenario
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: is is actually in season you're scouting in season you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: bumped the buck, would you do the exact same thing? Um, Like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: would you go right to the bed and look at it?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Or would you back away and say, Okay, I bumped
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that buck out of here, but I don't want to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: mess it up anymore. I'm gonna wait until hunting season.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: What do you what's your next move after you bump
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a buck up? So it depends on if if I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: bump it pretty close, then I'll just stand there and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: look around and surveying the situation and then try to, uh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: if I need to move over twenty yards, if I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: need to go up and look at his bed, just
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to see what he will see what he can see.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I will do that if I'm purposefully going in to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: jump a the buck out of a certain bedding area,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: then once I jump him, I'm gonna go over and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: check out what he's stand up or buy his bed,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just to kind of try to find his travel route
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: into that bed, and then I'll back off, hang my
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: stand and then I'll be there to the next morning.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But I definitely don't during season go in jump a buck.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I don't purposely go in and jump a buck unless
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunting the next morning during season. Now, what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: what do you how do you actually do that next step?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: When you described actually going in there standing in the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: bucks bed and trying to learn how he comes in
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and out and what he's doing. Can you walk me
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: through like exactly what you're looking at, exactly how you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: kind of read the clues. Sure, so, I said, if
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: if I'm purposely going in to jump a buck out
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of the bed, for one, I know what the wind
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: direction is that day, and that tells me where this
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: buck's probably going to be bedded from where I seen
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: let's say a couple of weeks before or the prior
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: spring I'll get the wind in my face, head into
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that bedding area and just you know, ease forward, ease forward,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and and eventually hopefully jump that specific buck and see
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: exactly where he's bed and where he runs off. When
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I do that, I'm thinking, Okay, the wind this morning,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: at let's say seven o'clock in the morning, was blowing
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: this way. It's still blowing this way. It's coming out
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: of the north, let's say. So if I know that,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I know that he's gonna try to get as much
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: nose wind from that bed as he can before he
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: gets up into it. If the wind had stayed constant
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that day. So I'll figure out how they're kind of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: jay hooking into that bed, whether he's coming in out
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of a ditch down below, walking straight up towards it,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: or he's coming down a ridge and just making a
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: little loop out into that bed. Then I'll set up
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: my stand from there, uh to hopefully the next morning.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Usually when I go into too hunt bucks bed or
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: look for a buck's bed. If if there's gonna be
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a rain that night, it's a perfect situation because it'll
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: wash away my scent and then I have maybe a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: day or two to play with it. If it isn't
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: going to rain, but the wind's supposed to remain constant
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in the same direction the following day. I have more
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: confidence than going in there knowing that if I jump him,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I can set up on that and the wind is
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: gonna be the same the next morning, and he's going
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to take the same travel path more or less into
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that spot again, and I can take a bandage of it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But I would not. I would not do that if
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: if today the wind's coming out of the north, I'm
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: going to jump in the buck out of his bed,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: but tomorrow morning is supposed to be coming out of south,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I would not do that. I would I want the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: conditions it could change, but I want the conditions to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: be the same wind that day as it's going to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: be the next day. We're on the same wavelength. Heaf.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: That was exactly what I wasn't ask you about. What, um,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: what type of scenario would you have to be in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to do that to actually proactively go in there and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: try to bump a buck out of his bed. Is
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that when you get to desperation mode and you're thinking,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: all right, I gotta make something happen, UM, or I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: don't know what gets you to the point where you
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: decide that you're gonna go and use that strategy other
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: than just the consistent wind direction thing which you just mentioned. Sure, well,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: one of the main things is you got to know
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: when to lay back and let things, uh, you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: develop theirself, and then you've got to know when you
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: gotta lay on it and get it done. Uh. I've
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: sent back too many years in the past and just
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: waiting on things to develop, and maybe the neighbor kills it,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: or maybe the buck disappears. Knowing the roundabout area bucks
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: betting in what I usually do is hunt travel corridors,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: food sources, and stuff in early October the first week
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: or two. Then when it gets into the uh to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the going on the third week, and if I'm getting nervous,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that's just something's gonna happen to this book or whatever.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm gonna be able to have
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: time to get it done, then I'll get aggressive the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: same way. Out in Illinois this past fall, Justin had
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: four days to go out there and and hunt. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: he went out there and hunted and seemed to buck
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. It was the last week of October.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I got out there on I didn't have time to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: screw around. We knew this buck was in this block
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of timber. I had scouted it before, uh not that season,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: but the any years past, and I kind of knew
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: there was several knolls or fingers that this these uh
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: older age class bucks like betting on. So it was
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: supposed to rain that night, the wind was supposed to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: stay consistent the following day, so I dove right in
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: there after I suspected that most of the deer would
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: have been moved down into the field. Dove in air,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: scouted out several points, located a couple of big beds,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: some big rubs, and a couple of big tracks, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I could see kind of how I knew by the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: lay of the land and the way the wind was
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: going to be blowing that how they would assume would
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: be approaching approaching the bed. And I hung a stand
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and and you can see in the video and white
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: tell addictions to where the bucks were looping right in.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: They got a little nervous, Uh the wind was gusting
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit, and they decided, for
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: some reason they wouldn't go bed under this big hedge
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: apple tree where all these beds were, and they decided
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to cut down the bank to go to the other
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: bed and that's when I was able to take my shot. Yeah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I was. I was struck by the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: timing of your scouting session because, like you mentioned, Justin
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: had been seeing this buck going out to a field
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and so you I feel like the first thing I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: would have thought would have been to hell. I don't
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: know what I would have done. You had to go
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: into a betting area in season and try to scout
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it out, but you planned it in a way so
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that that buck would hopefully be already on his feet
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: heading to the food source. I think I remember hearing
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: or seeing the video or somewhere that you headed in
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: there like four o'clock in the afternoon or four thirty
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon to go scouting. Um, how did you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: how did you tell? Maybe I'm wrong on that, correct
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. But secondly, how did you plan
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: your your route in there so you weren't spooking a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: bunch of deer? What you know? How did you actually
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: scouted out? I gotta imagine that must have been high stakes,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: high stakes, high intensity sneaking in there when he could
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: have still been right in there. Sure well, uh so
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Justin told me when he's seen him out in that
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: field a couple of times he was out there. Most
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of the deer got out there around four thirty, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the buck was shortly after. So my goal was, I thought,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know what, I I know this area real well.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: My goal is to dive in let's say the winds
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: coming out of the north. My goal was to dive
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: into the south side of this uh block of timber.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Slowly worked my way up through there, and my plan
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: was to get as much scouting in from four thirty
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: till dark as I could. And I was hoping that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: either the deer would have already moved out into this
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: field to feed, or if I did bump them, they
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: would already be up and headed that way. So I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: come in from the south side. I checked out two knolls,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: or it is that I thought that they he could
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: possibly be on. One of them had some big beds,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: but didn't have really any sign meaning a rubs or
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: or big tracks. But the beds have been used, you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: within the last couple of weeks. Then I went to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the other ridge and it was just like a lightbulb
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: come on. I mean you you could just feel a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: big buck with staying right there, several big rubs. I've
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: seen a couple of big tracks in these huge beds,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: big as a car hood, and I just knew that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: was his. And what's funny is I did not jump
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a single deer that evening when I come in from
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the backside at four thirty. Normally, what I would do
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: is I would go in around noon and try to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: scalp this out. But I thought, you know what, I'll
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: just let the deer move out and I'll come in
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: behind him and and figure it out because I knew
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that I could find that buck's bed and I didn't
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: need to jump him out of it. I just I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: knew he was on one of these three points. And
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: when I went in there, like I said, it was
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: just like a lightbulb went off. When I seen it,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I thought, this thing is dead. If I can get
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a stand up in there and the windstays can stim
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: it's kind of genius. And it's not something you hear
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: about a whole lot. I don't know if I've had
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: anybody else talk to me about waiting for a deer
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to leave in the afternoon and evening, scouting out their
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: bedding area and setting up for next morning. I've heard
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: of bumping them, but I've never heard of people actually
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: trying to wait till they left. It's a it's a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: small little shift, but it makes a lot of sense. Um,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: how did you actually I know you describe some of
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: your thought process there, but what the tree set up?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: How did you What was that actual tree? Where was
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it set up? In relations where you saw that bed.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I just kind of curious about how you exactly picked
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that spot, because that decision picking that tree close to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a bed seems so crucial. Trying to guess how they're
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: gonna come back in the next morning, all that stuff.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: It definitely isn't and you're gonna The only way you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: can learn that is to screw up, uh, set your
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: stand in the wrong spot on numerous occasions before you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: start figuring things out. Every situation is a little bit different.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: But I know that just these bucks weren't gonna just
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: come come from the south end of the farm and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: walk in with a nose wind and walk straight up
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to that bed. I knew they were feeding to the north,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: so I knew that they were gonna have to make
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a loop to just get enough
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of that bed to where they felt comfortable to walk
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: up into it. So basically, the bed was northeast of
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: me about thirty yards, if that makes sense, with a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: northerly to a little bit of a west northwest wind.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm off to I'm off the edge of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: that wind just a little bit, so I'm kind of south.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of south west of the bed. The bed
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: is northeast to me with a little with a mainly
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: north wind, but a little bit of west to it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And what about Yeah, what about the ridge? So this
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: is on a little knoll. So were you downhill from it,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: off the side of the ridge from it, right on
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the point with it? What was that looking like? I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: was where? I wasn't right on the point, because that's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: where the bed was. I was damn on from it
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: down towards that ditch. That's why I got up pretty high.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I was probably uh pushing maybe thirty feet, But it's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: just because of the the drop in elevation of the tree.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And you set up that evening, am I right when
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you scouted it out? You picked the train got set
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: up right then. Yes, I I went in with a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: stand on my back, and that's uh, that's one of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the great advantages of having a altar light tree stand
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: in the Quista series. One point, I had it on
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: my back, had my backpack with UH, and I had
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: my trimmor and stuff with me and just went right in.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And the whole purpose was to uh find that bed
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and set up on it immediately, and I was. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: got out of there right after dark. You mentioned that
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: your trimmor. How much trimming did you do in there?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to do much at all. I had
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: one limb I needed to cut that was dead, it
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: was only about two ft long. And I had another
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: branch that I needed to trim that was I got
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: an extended poles all and I reached up and cut
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it down and got right out of there. Do you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: usually out to keep it pretty minimal like that? Or
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: at times if you're going in this kind of scenario
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: where you're just basically trying to kill him the next morning,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: would you be willing to do a bunch of cutting
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: if it requires it, just because you're so dead set
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: on it's a swinger. A miss is a home run
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: kind of situation. You're either gonna go for it all
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: or nothing. Well, you gotta be able to get the shot.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: So if I need to trim a couple of tree limbs,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: what have you, I'll do it, Uh, because when he
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: comes back and then realizes what the heck happened, you
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: better have an arrow in him. Yeah. But in this case,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I could have trimmed, in my opinion, as much as
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I wanted to, because a big storm was coming in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that night. We had X amount of rain and then
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it turned to snow, so whatever I did was going
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to be gone. I just didn't want to make things
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: really obvious. But uh, I didn't have to trim hardly anything.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: That's nice. So here's here's something I feel like most
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: people in the scenario you described where your buddy had
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: been hunting there and he saw the deer come out
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to a field in daylight multiple days in a row.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Most guys at this time period in October would think,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna kill him in the evening. I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: gonna go back to that field or sit back from
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that field edge a little bit and try to kill
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: him where my buddy's been seeing him. Why didn't you
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: do that? Why did you instead want to kill him
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, and that questionnaire is exactly why
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I end up killing him. I had four days to hunt. Uh.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: The first day, the first evening when I got out
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: there was burnt hanging a set. It was the end
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of October, it was. I got out there on the twenty,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I got out there on nine, and I killed the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: thing on October thirty one. I knew it any second
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: that Buck would be hooking up with a dough and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: be gone, be on the neighboring property, being who knows where.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't have time to waste. I could have set
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: after and played the game on the edge of the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: field and possibly got a crack at him because he
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: was coming out there almost every evening. But I didn't
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: have time to gamble. I didn't have time to get
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: out there and you know, set a couple of evenings
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and maybe he cut my track, maybe he busted me.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. I knew with the lay of this
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: farm and those betting points, I knew that I could
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: get in there and get it done, especially with the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: everything added up, the weather conditions. Justin saying he's seeing
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: him out in the field of four thirty the end
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of October, all that played together. If it was a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: week prior, I would have probably sat back and played
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the edges of that field. So when you when you
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: want to make this gopher broke move, when you really
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: got to get it done, you gotta kill him. Is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: taking that morning hunt swing in the betting area you're
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is that the go to move or could another option
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in a different set of scenarios be an evening hunt
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: but just pushing and really tight um. I'm kind of
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: curious about that. So a couple of things in my opinion, uh,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: late October, like that the morning hunt in his specific
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: bed is the way to go because that's where he's
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: coming to. If I'm hunting the edge of the field,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I know he's coming out in that field. But Justin
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: said he come out in that field two different times,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: in two different spots. So do I take a gamble
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and get over here in this spot and he comes
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: out in the other one, But then when I'm exiting
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the field that he bust me or another one bust me.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Or do I take a gamble and jump on the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: other spot that he said he come out of and
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: maybe it not happened, or he end up cracking me
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: while I'm on the stand and then starts playing that
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: game and avoiding that field. I just knew that getting
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: in there, with the timing and everything. Like I said,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: if it was a different time frame, different weather conditions,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I may have played a little bit safer, but I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: went for broke. Yeah. How early do you try to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: get in for those morning hunts? Because I feel like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that's always the biggest worry, especially in October, is that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: these bucks are going to come back to bed earlier
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: than you know you'd normally or earlier than you want
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: them to, and then you might they might beat you there.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: How early did you try to get in there? Sure,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: So when I'm hunting, when I'm targeting a buck bed
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and going in and hunting that specifically bad a couple
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: of things that I play. The weather. You know, if
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: there's a storm late in the afternoon and it could
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: possibly keep them bucks out feeding longer the next morning.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: If the moon I go off, the moon guide go off,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the overhead and underfoot moon times f it's a red moon,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and it's saying those bucks are gonna be feeding within
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the first couple of hours of daylight. That's the time
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: to jump on that bed because they're gonna be late
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: coming back to it. And like I said, to the weather,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: the weather Trump's moon, always Trump's moon. If I can
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: play the weather conditions, that's what I'll do. That's whatever's
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: going to keep them on their feet longer in the morning.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That way, they're delayed getting back to their bed. But
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: when I go into a hunt, Uh, everybody does a
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: little bit differently. I know that Andre and Cody, Uh,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: they get in there, they don't get in real early.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I get in real early. I get in there at
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: least half an hour before daylight. I like things to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: settle down and get situated because you know, pack and
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: camera gear and all that kind of stuff, and just
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: get comfortable. And it takes me a lot longer to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: get to my spots because I make sure I don't
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: you know, break a sweat, stay as clean as I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: can and quiet as I can, and slip right in there.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: What if you do everything you try, you do everything
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you describe, you never do everything as best as you
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: pie stably can. You're in the right spot, the conditions
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: were right. Uh, you you picked the right area. But
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: he comes circling in and the wind swirls, or he
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: comes in just a little bit different than you thought
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and he busts you. Your your high risk, high reward
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: scenario doesn't pan out, and you spook the buck. What
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: is your game playing after that? How would you just
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: how do you relocate him? Sure? First off, you that
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: was a great learning experience. You tried it. He did
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: something a little bit differently. You learned that for the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: next time. What I would do is I would, uh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I would back off. I would move to another location
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: in that wood lot, maybe that that there's some good
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: sign good travel, and I would I would hunt that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Or I would back off and just go hunt another
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: buck for a day or two and then bounce back
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: in there. Not necessarily into bed, but uh, but maybe
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: hunt the edge of the field. See if he's still
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: coming out, because you know they're not gonna I mean,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: if he cracks you on that bed, more than likely
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: he's not going to come back to that bed. And
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: he's just moving over two ridges, you know what I mean.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: So it's you just gotta know it's it could be.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But but the most of the time what I found
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: is that they just move. I mean, he may move
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: over to ridge just he may move to the south
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: end of the farm. He may move to the neighbors.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: But you know, I could sit back and play this
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: game and he may move there. Anyways, why not go
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: in and uh, if I know where he's at, go
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in and get it done or at least or at
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: least put myself make an opportunity for myself. If I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: fail and don't succeed with that opportunity, then I worked
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: my butt off to get me another one. What about
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the the actual ways when you said you said you
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: go hunt a different spot on the farm, or go
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: hunt a different farm when you're trying to pattern a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: new situation, pattern a new buck, or repattern a buck
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: or relocate him. Uh, you you've got cameras out, You've
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: talked about that. I know that you're scouting in season,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: walking around, moving around, but what are you what are
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: you specifically doing to try to find a specific buck?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Is it simply doing all those things with one buck
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: in mind and just adjusting off that. Were there any
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: particular things you do when it's hey, I want this buck, Like,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: how do you tighten the news on them? So, for one,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it depends on what time of year it is. Every
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: situation is different. If it's early season, I'll do these
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: these things. If it's mid to October, I may do this.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: If it's the last week October and may do this.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And then if it's the rut, it's just a crapshoot
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: or late seasons completely different. I'll sit back and watch fields.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I mainly go in and try to scout and find
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the biggest sign I can find, and then find the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: biggest tracks, especially if I already know a buck is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: on that farm that I'm wanting to target. Usually I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: can go in there and look for the biggest sign
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and find the biggest tracks, and that's usually him. I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: have done that before and it turned out to be
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: a you know, just a big body. You know, let's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: say a hundred and thirty inch and I'm trying to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: kill it one seventy. It just depends. You know. Some
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of these dear heck, they if you get pictures of them,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you need to go in and inspect area where he
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: was getting pictures, especially if you got them over a scrape,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and see what kind of track you got, what size
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of track? Is there any identification things that you can
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: note about that track, and then if if there is,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: if you can measure it, you know, when it's not
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: skewed in the dirt. And you may see that track
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: two days later and say, how that's him, you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: because here's that sign, and then start building off of that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: What is the how big of a track is that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to be? To get your attention? Well, I mean, I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: mean I like three to three and a half finger
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: track when I'm looking at them, you know, one that's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: not screwed in the dirt or slid or whatever. But
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the the track I put three fingers
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: in it. If it's bigger than that, that gets my attention.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I try to look and if you can see where
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: they've let's they walk down the edge of the creek
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever I want to. There's a couple of things
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you look at. Uh. Older bucks are usually the bigger bucks,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: of course. And older bucks, uh you know they're they
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: start getting arthritis and stuff like that, so they have
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: they have a little bit wider shoulders, and there arthritis
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and stuff in their back legs and stuff in their spine.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Their feet their back feet don't cover don't completely cover
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: their front track. So if you look at a track,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: it's three fingers wide or wider. That back foot does
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: not come all the way up or cover the front track.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: That usually is an indication that it's an older buck,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: especially if the shoulders are a little bit wider and
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the back foot goes on the inside just a little
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: bit of that front track. So what makes sense? Yeah?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: It does? But what do you do when you find
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that track? So you're out there, you're poking around. Um,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you come across this big track, it's a three and
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a half finger track. You see, you see these things
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and tells you okay, yes, this should be a big
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: old buck. Do you stop and say, okay, I got
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the intel I need? Or do you follow that track
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of ways? Um, I'm curious what are your next steps
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: after that? Okay? So it depends on where I found
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: that track. If I out of before and I know
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that they bet on this ridge here, and I find
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: this track and it's headed away from that bed, but
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: it's still a couple of hundred yards from the food source,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I look at how I can take advantage of that
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: particular spot, or in my mind, how they're gonna work
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: their way up through there. Let's say there's another rub
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: on up the on up the hill. Let's say sixty yards.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, okay, I cut his track here, here's
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: where it crossed the creek. Especially if there's multiple there's
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: a fresh track and then maybe a couple of old
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: ones of of what looks like the same track. Then
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, here's how he's headed into that being
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: field or whatever. I can take advantage of south wind
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: by hunting here, or I can take advantage of a
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: north wind by hunting here, And then go ahead and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: throw a stand at it and set on it. And
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna find out whether he's moving in
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: daylight in there or it's a different bunk. I heard
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you say somewhere that, um, you feel that mature box,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: especially in certain different types of areas, laid down more
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: or less signs. I think you said that you've seen
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: in old country the bucks left a lot less signed,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: while in farm country you see a lot more. They
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: just tear stuff up. Um, yes, can you is that
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: still true? Do you still feel like that's the case,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and and just elaborate on on why you think that is? So?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: A couple of things. For one, every deer is difference.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: They each got different temperaments. Some of them are just angry,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: mean bucks that are dominant, they will tear up everything,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and in some are kind of It seems like a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: lot of times the bigger rack bucks are kind of shy,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: kind of stay back, aren't really hardcore going into the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: rut kind of bucks or whatever. Of But what I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: do is, uh, well, in in the hill country, what
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I found is the deer density is a lot less
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and the sign the deer travel a lot further and
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: there's not they don't leave as much signs. What I found,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I mean I was. I mean, a buddy of mine
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: was hunting a two D class two hundred class buck
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, and you would have never thought,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: other than tracks that there was a buck of a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty inch range in that whole on that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: whole farm, there just was zero sign, but there was
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: big tracks, and we were getting this giant on camera.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Then you go to another farm, let's say hill country,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: or not hill country, but a farm land farm. It
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: may have two or three one thirties on it, and
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: it looks like a world records in their tearing up jack.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I assume because of the population, you have a higher
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: deer density, more competition, they're leaving, laying down a lot
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: more sign. In the hill country, it's fewer bucks, fewer deer,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and there's not as much competition, and they travel a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: lot farther. I'm assuming, and just like I said, the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: temperament of the deer, Yeah, that makes sense. Would you
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: would you say then that a big track is the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: number one most important piece of signed to work from
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: when you're looking for these kinds of deer, Well, uh, yeah,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I mean I like to see big rubs, don't get
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: me wrong, but I definitely like to see big tracks.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: And for example, a deer I found dead out in
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Iowa this year had one of the biggest feet foot
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: tracks that I've ever seen, and it had the crappiest
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: rack that you've ever seen. M But then again, I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: know out there on Andre's farm they found a two
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty inch and non typical that had to
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: attract the size of a small dough. So so that
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't So if you can if you can add you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: if you take several things, if you can get a
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: picture of a buck, whether out a mineral leck, mock
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: scrape or whatever, and know that that specific buck was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in there that day, and you can look at that
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: track and associate that track with him. That helps you.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: If all you see is little, little small tracks, and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: that's great, but that buck was in there the day before,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: then hey, he doesn't have a very big track. But
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: if you go in there and you haven't got a
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: picture of this buck on, that's great for three weeks.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, he shows up one day.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: And when you check the cameras all these other times,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: all you've seen small tracks, the net buck shows up
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and you check the camera and you see them giant
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: foot tracks, then you know what to look for. Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Are there any other things like that when it comes
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: to behavior differences or any kind of difference between your
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: farm country hunting versus your hill country hunting that you've
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: noticed over the years with with how dear acting or
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: how you need to adjust. Uh, Like I said, in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: hill country, it seems like they move a lot farther,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: uh when there's not much pressure, especially during the rut.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Uh In farm country, you know, they I mean they
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: move a lot to they just don't I say cover
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: as much ground in my opinion. And uh, but definitely,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like in hill country. Uh, and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: even in farm ground. A lot of times the bucks
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: are traveling areas that don't have there's not a defined trail. Uh,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: there's not a you know, war and a dirt trail.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: They're kind of you know, moving through the area on
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: their own. For instance, I had just one wood lot
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that had a big had a high fence through it,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and there was a good buck in that area. And uh,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: he was a kg buck that I've had pictures of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: for two years, and I wasn't hunting him that year
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: because I was after another one. But I wanted to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: figure out where he was crossing down through that woodlock
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: because there was a high fence through there. I say
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: high fence, a four foot woven wire fence with a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: strain of bob wire along the top, and there was
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: two openings in it where them deer could cross through.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: So I hung cameras on it. But when I went
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: in there to hang cameras on it, there was there
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: was a tree that fell across that fence, and I thought,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: there ain't gonna be there's not gonna be any deer
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: crossing where that tree is at. When they got an
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: opening down here and an opening over there, because it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: would be awkward and kind of you know, there wasn't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: any deer traffic across it that I could tell by
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: just visically looking at it. I hung a camera on
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: all three of those locations, and that buck, every picture
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I got on him, was crossing where that tree was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: laying down. It was it was out of the way
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: path for him to get up through there. But he
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: did not want to follow where all them other deer went.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: He wanted to pave his own way. Interesting, So that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: that then makes me wonder this. So, so going back
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: to your own personal history, right, you started targeting a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: certain size of buck or age of buck, and every
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: year you've you've ranked, you've ramped it up more and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: more and more till now you're after the absolute top
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: tier buck. Have you noticed a few I mean, I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: know the gennary things, but has there been any thing
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: or two that you've noticed about these absolute top tier
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: hundred seventy class bucks, five six year old ers, whatever
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: they are as far as their behavior, I know they're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: going to be more cautious. I know that they you know,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: are smart, etcetera, etcetera. But have you noticed any specific
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: things that those types of deer do differently than the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: four year old one. For it is it used to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: be chasing. Sure, well, uh, they're not out there running
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: around like crazy most of the time. In the first
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: week in November, seems like they usually the action starts
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: picking up with those around a six or seven from
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: what I've seen, But then also seen too that most
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: of them have smaller cores areas. So you may go
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: into a farm and think, you know that this buck's nocturnal,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: he's just not moving, so I need to wait till
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the rut. Well he's in there moving, but he's just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: got a small tight area he's moving in. And then
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it depends on personality to Uh had a bucker a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: few years ago that was an older age class buck,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: and he was a traveler. I mean, you would seem
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different places, so he didn't have that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: small core area. But most of them that I've seen
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you talked to start talking about, you know, six and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a half year old deer or older, they got a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: small core area, and to kill them outside the rut,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you gotta get in that circle. So what about in
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the rut with that kind of buck, would you do?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: You do you stick with standard rut tactics when you're
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: after that buck and just hope that you get lucky
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: or do you have to do anything different during the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: rut for that caliber. So what I found in several
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: circumstances is hopefully you've got some history of him during
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the rut prior to that, let's say cameras, because you're
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: talking about a five six year old deer, So hopefully
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: you got a little bit of a history with him.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: If I see an area on camera that I got
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the previous year where he was at, let's say on
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: a certain date the year before, I kind of play
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: in my mind and I'm gonna try to get over
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: in that area around that same date, hoping that he's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing. A lot of times. To these
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: older bucks, they've been through this game several years. This
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: is a this is a rut phase, and they have
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: learned which does come in first. Let's say, for instance,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: uh uh, the year before I got a picture of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: this buck, uh hitting a scrape really hard in this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: one area the last week of October. Well, I'm gonna
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt and scout and hunt the sign. But
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: that last week of October when I got pictures of
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: him the year before. I'm gonna try to get in
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: there because I'm hoping that he does the same thing before.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm also playing my game of Okay, there's fresh
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: sign over here. Here's what he's doing. This is what
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I need to do during the rut, though it's it's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: kind of a crapshoot. I mean, the dough can take
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: him off to who knows where, And my opinion, I mean,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I've struggled a lot in the rut. I say in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the rut meaning from let's say the fifth through the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: uh Thanksgiving, I've just struggle cales, I'm after a particular
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: buck and you just don't know where they're at. It's
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: that time of year. It's being in the right stand locations,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: whether it's funnels or hunting dough betting areas and putting
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: time in the stand. What about time of day, I've
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I've talked to some guys that believe that they've got
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: a better chance during the rut, during the midday for
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: those top tier bucks or other guys. I've heard say
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a time of year difference. So during the rut, I've
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: heard that sometimes that last part of November is your
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: very best time for the very best buck. Have you
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: seen any of that kind of thing or is it
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: all across the board? Possible? Uh? During the rut, especially
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: if I go out of state, I mean, I'm out
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to hunt, so I'm going to get up in the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: stand before daylight. I'm gonna at least hunt that stand
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: and tell one thirty to two o'clock. Then I may
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: end up getting down and moving towards the edge of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: a food store, so I'll be back in bedding cover
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that until about one thirty or two,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: or I may hang out in that spot all day long.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: But normally, when you're back in the finals back into
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: dough betting areas, the actions a good up until around
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: one two, and then I like relocating to a food
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: source and that way I catch that action coming back
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: out to the food sources. But yeah, hunting during mid
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: day is always great during November. I say great, as
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna see it's gonna be a long set.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: But at any chance, at any point in time, a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: giant buck can come walking by and you just gotta
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: be there. It's time on stand during the rut. And
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't I don't care for it as
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: much because I'm I'm I'm hunting in October. It's on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: my terms, you know what I mean. It's gonna happen
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: in the morning, it's gonna happen in the evening. I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about midday because I'm scouting and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: resetting up for the that evening. During the rut, it's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: just you know, button your stand. Okay, So this this
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: is an interesting dilemma to consider. You are. I know
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: you're pretty mobile. Um, I'm assuming, and I guess I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: don't even know if maybe I didn't ask you this.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I guess Let's ask this first. This question. First, if
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you're setting up somewhere it's morning hunt. Let's say it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: could be morning or afternoon. I guess you see the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: buck you're after, and he moves, he does something, he's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: out of range. Let's say he's eight yards out of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: range or something. UM, My question is would you immediately
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: tear down and move to go hunt that buck? You
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: know at that spot you saw him? And so I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: guess the question is answer me that, but answer me
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that for two scenarios during the rut versus sometime in October.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'm curious if you would do things differently during the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: rut because it's more random versus mid October late October,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: when they're on a little bit more of a pattern. Sure,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I would definitely do it differently, uh, each depending on
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the situation. During October, I would let the if if
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: he I've seen one cross and uh, let's say eight
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: yards out in front of me at eight thirty in
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the morning, I would probably play it out until about
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: nine thirty, let things settle down. Then I would tear
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: down my stand and I would slip up there. If
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I seen some things that led me to believe that,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you know, he's crossed here more than just once, I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: would definitely hang a stand and be back in it
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: the following morning to hunt and hopefully catch him crossing
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: back through there again at eight thirty at least give
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: it a good shot to see what happens. And I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: may even set that evening on that spot if the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: wind plays out right, uh during the rut, And it
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: all depends on a situation. If I'm setting in the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: spot because I've seen all this stuff play out here before,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna set where I'm setting. If I'm gonna
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: stay where I'm at if if I'm just in a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: spot that is kind of mediocre or whatever, and I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: see that happen and one buck cuts through there, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: then possibly another one I may tear down immediately and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: jump up there. What kind of situation would make you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: believe that you are in the spot. I know that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it's always gonna be various different things could be telling
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: you that. But I'm just kind of curious if you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: could paint the picture of of a scenario where you
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, yeah, this is the kind of spot
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna stick it out, and what does that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: look like for you? Let's say, possibly the the down
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: wind side of a bedding area on a ridge to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: where a lot of does are bedded in, and I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: just I've had little bucks and different things come up
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: there where and clue me in on exactly where the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: bucks are traveling, or at the top of a ditch
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: hunting a rut funnel, or at the uh, you know,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: at the at the we're a bottleneck of the woods
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: bottles down and heads over into another block of timber.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: But you know I've set the I've set those funnels
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: on the block of timbers where it narrows down and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: goes to the next one, and then you know, one year, Uh,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: everything's traveling right underneath of you. Then the next year
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you see one or two bucks and they're cutting across,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: you know, upwind of you, cutting across the open field
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and then cutting in. There's some reason they're doing that.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Normally I'll jump over there if I see uh multiple
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: deer go through that same area. Uh. But I've also
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: screwed up and moved and looked back and it was
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: happening where I was at. So I just gotta every
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: situation is different, and you make the best uh, you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: make the best decision you can, and you live with it. Yeah.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I've definitely felt the uh, the negative effects of that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: decision on occasion myself. I've played the cat and mouse
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: game the wrong way sometimes, sure, and you you you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: can only learn from that by uh failing doing it
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: and failing then you just learn from it. Yeah. So
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: is there is there a buck like this that you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: already have on your mind for the season? Do you
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: have the one already picked out or in your sights?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I have a couple that I'm hoping to show back up.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll be getting pictures of him here in the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: next month. And uh, I've already got you know, ran
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: through my mind several times on how I'm going to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: approach hunting it. Uh. You know this buck has been
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: active before in early October, and he definitely gets active
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: the second week of November. So we'll just I'll play
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: it by ear. I'll scout and uh when uh, when
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I see that, I need to, you know, get in there.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. I gotta know more so he
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: he's he can get active in early October. So I'm
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: curious how are you going to monitor him leading into October?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And We've already discussed some of your generic ideas, but
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I'm curious specifically with this buck. How are you gonna
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: get heap tabs or no when to strike early in October?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And are you willing to go hard at him in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: early October even though you know you'll get that maybe
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: better chance in November. Or is it you want to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: go really hard in October because he's patternable while in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: November he might be more random. What's the thought process
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: there with this guy? Sure, so what I'll do is
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: hunting the whole time. But I know in October from
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: years past, the last couple of years that he's been
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: active on a certain feeding source the first couple of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: weeks this season, so I'm gonna try to I'm not gonna,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: you know, dive in their deep, get onto bed or whatever.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna actively hunt that feeding source when you know
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: when the conditions are good to go in there, like
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: right you know the's on high pressure days, right after
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a weather front, a rainstorm or whatever come through. When
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I know that's it's primo dear activity evening, I'll jump
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: in there and hunt in the morning. This buck in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: early October, I don't I don't have figured out, so
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to hang back. I'll when I hunt
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: in early October, it'll be hunts that uh that aren't
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not jeopardizing a lot. I'm not giving up a lot. Uh.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: And then if I can continue scouting in there tiptoe around,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: then later on in October, I'm gonna jump in there
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: where I think he's bet and if things aren't playing
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: out for me, and I'm gonna go in there and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: see if I can bust him out of his bed,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: because there's betting area that I think he stays in
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: he could be betting in multiple spots. So if it
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: plays out and I get into the last week of October,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I'll tiptoe in there with the wind in my face
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: and see if I can bust him out of there
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and get in there the next day and try to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: kill him. If not, I'll probably blow him out of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: that spot, and then I'll have to play it for
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: about the fifth or sixth of November. And knowing that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: he prefers these different no betting areas and I'm one
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: hunt those do betting areas and funnels in between. You've
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: a couple of times through our conversation you've alluded to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: these spots that you know or that you think he's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: betting in. UM, and I haven't drilled down more into that,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and as should. Can you describe some of the types
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: of setups that you typically find these bigger, older bucks
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: choosing his betting areas. Um, there's a handful in my
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: mind that I can think of, Like, hey, if i'm
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: if you know, if I'm expecting or if I'm trying
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: to figure out where a buck might be betted, I'm
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: gonna guess, well, my first guest on this property would
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: be this thicket here, or it would be this knob
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: on a ridge or something like that. I'm curious what
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: the generic types of scenarios you look for when trying
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: to find those buck beds. Sure, well, it's just by
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: trial and error mainly, uh in the past, different forms
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: and off enough hunting for several years, and uh you
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: may think of bucks betting in this spot and it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: turns out he's not, because I've guessed a lot of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: times and been completely wrong. But what I do is
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you go in and scout, and like I said, two
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: weeks before, you go in there and jump all these
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: spots that maybe that you uh maybe that you found
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in this in the spring, or maybe you're just it's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: a new farm and you're in there trumping around looking
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: and you end up coming up and it's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: they're betting in here bucks. Especially with rubs, big beds,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: it's usually on a uh let's say a ridge, uh
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: inside of the timber uh with predominant you know, like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: in southern Ohio we get predominant of southwest winds. So
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you know he's gonna how he's gonna be setting up
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to uh to take advantage of that wind. And and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: they like to be able to look where they can
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: see out in front of them, and then kind of
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: want to know where they can bounce off on one
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: side or the other and disappear. And it's just time
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and time again going in and looking at these areas
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: and jumping deer out of them and hunting these spots.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Actually figure out what they're doing. Someone may be doing
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: it a little bit differently, but they're all trying to survive,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to protect theirselves from a kay slipping
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: up on them, a hunter or whatever, and they manipulate
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: them just maybe just a hair different, but but they're
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: all still trying to do the same thing. They want
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: to look at their back trail, They want their back
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: kind of up against some cover, and they want to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: be able to catch that wind coming over their shoulder. Yeah.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Do you find any similar um patterns when it comes
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: to how these oiler bucks or bigger bucks move when
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: they're heading defeat? I hear I've heard very some people
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: think they're always gonna move with the wind quarter and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: two or in their face. Some guys have said they've
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: seen tail winds. Um is it kind of everything for
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: you or do you kind of live sorry? Do you
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: go into hunts with certain assumptions about how they use
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: wind in those scenarios. Sure, well, uh so for one,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: uh I mean dear trial. You know, with a tailwind
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: a lot their most vulnerable spot on them is their
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: back trail because coue is coming up on them. They
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if people can can track them or scent
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: track them or what. They don't know. So what I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: found a lot of times is the deer will travel
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: quartering down wind or just kind of headed down wind.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: A lot of times I know that in the morning,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: when you're hunting beds the wind, their travel is completely
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: based on wind. In the evening, it's mainly on where
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: they want to go. If if they're wanting to go
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: to a food source that's to the north of them,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and they got a south wind, well they're still going
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to go to the north because that's where they want
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: to go. They may loop a little bit more out,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: but that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna use more
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: of their eyesight then the wind because they don't have
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: the wind to their advantage. Now, when hunting in those situations,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you want it depends on where they're going. If you
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: can get it to where they can if they are
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: using the nose wind, let's say, to get to that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: food source. But then you gotta take a advantage of
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: that by just getting off to the side of that wind.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: If if that's uh, if you could see what I'm
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: talking about, you just want to be off to the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: side to where you know he thinks he's comfortable with
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: what wind he's getting, and you're just on the edge
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of that where your winds blowing out down that way,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: but he's too far over to one side to get it. Yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: but it's not impossible. You're saying that he might come
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: out there with it blowing right out into the middle
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: of the field completely away from him, making it super
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: safe for you as a hunter. But you know you've
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: seen some bucks do that sometimes too. Sure, absolutely, And like,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, you got a north wind, the bucks bedded
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  Speaker 1: to the south. He gets up out of his bed.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say the wind isn't that strong that evening. So
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the bucks back here messing around doing whatever they do, feeding,
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  Speaker 1: maybe making some rubs, making scrapes or whatever. Back in
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  Speaker 1: his bedding area. He hasn't moved too far. He feels
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  Speaker 1: comfortable in that little fifty yard bubble because he's been
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  Speaker 1: layding there all day, and let's say he's waiting till
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  Speaker 1: the un sets a little bit, and then he's moving
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  Speaker 1: over towards closer towards the field, and he's starting to
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  Speaker 1: catch them thermal's coming from out in the field back
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  Speaker 1: into the woods. And if you notice a lot of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: these bucks like coming out in the low spots of
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: these fields, it's like a the thermals all pulled down
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  Speaker 1: to those lower spots, so he can stand in that spot.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if the wind isn't blowing very hard, even though
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: it is coming from the south to the north, he
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: could be headed north. The thermal switch, everything starts sucking
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  Speaker 1: down to those cold spots, which are the low spots
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: in the field, And he's gathering all this stuff uh
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: in the field through his nose before he even steps
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  Speaker 1: out in it. Plus he has all the dummies out
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: there that's been out there half an hour to an hour,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: all these other young bucks and does and all this
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it makes me feel more comfortable.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: How do you as a hunter play that scenario when
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you've got a high deer population where there's going to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: be a bunch of deer out in that field. So
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you don't want to have your wind blowing too much
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: into the woods because there's a lot of doughs and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: young bucks coming out. Um. But at the same time,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: if they get past you safely and your winds blown
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: behind you into the field, they'll eventually catch your wind
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and blow out, maybe ten minutes before the end of daylight,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: and then the buck gets you know, cascaded back to UM.
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  Speaker 1: I heard Andre de Quisto talk once about how he
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: really likes a right along the edge of the field
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: wind in that kind of scenario. Um, is that something
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you look for to or is it? I realize it's
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be dependent, but what are your thoughts on that.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: It's definitely dependent? Uh, I mean, I completely understand the
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: concept of it blowing down along the edge of the field. Normally,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: if it's blowing like kind of back into the woods,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I usually hunt back into woods forty yards or so.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: You know that way I let the deer. If I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: let the deer get past me and they get out
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: there in the field, you know what I mean, And
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: my winds blowing back into the woods, but it's off
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: to the side of where I suspect suspect the buck's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: going to be moving out and through so and in wind,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: you know, hunting the edge of the field with the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: wind blowing out into the field, it's tricky because all
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the other deer can possibly wind you. I hope that
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: if I do hunt in that situation and the deer
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: actually win me, that it's early and they head out
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the other way. Yeah, and if they head out the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: other way, you know what's what's gonna be tricky is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: is when a buck comes out less that you stand
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: in her an edge, if you don't see any other
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: deer in the field. He may get a little larry
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but hopefully he's got another young buck or
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: something with him or out in front of him, and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: they don't catch my wind until I get an opportunity. Yeah. Well,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: this scenario I've had happened before where I've I've been
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: out set up in a scenario where a doe kind
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: of wins me. I had a kind of risky wind,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm counting on that buck coming in late, and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can get away with it. But
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: a dole gets something, she's not happy, but she's not
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: gonna blow right out. So maybe let's say it's forty
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: five minutes till dark or an hour before dark or
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: something like that. It's kind of getting the prime time,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: but it's not the very end of the night, and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: she's getting wonky. She's doing the foot stomp. She's bobbing
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: her head up and down, and maybe she's maybe she blew.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Once she blew, she bounded off five yards. Then she
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: looks back, she does the foot stomp. Her head's going
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: up and down. I've been in that situation where I've
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I'm cursing myself, I'm upset. I want that deer to leave.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Would you ever proactively do something to get her out
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: of there completely because you don't want her to linger
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: there for another twenty minutes blowing every once in a while,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: or do you worry that if you were to spooker
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: even more it can make things worse? How would you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: handle that? So it's gonna get Every situation is different.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: If it's early and I know that no other deer
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: has another chance to uh see me, especially if she
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: if she knows something's up, and maybe a couple of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: little ones or other ones that are out don't I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: will look around and when these other deer are looking
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: the other way or doing whatever, and she's staring at
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: me unless they should see me in the stand, I'm
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna make some movements to try to blow her
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: out of there, just to get her down over the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: hill and out just wander away from me, and used
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: to I would just I would almost just end the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: hunt if I got busted by any deer anymore. Over
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: the years, I've learned and by talking to other very
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: successful hunters that you know, as long as it's not
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: the deer y're after, then it doesn't matter. And then
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, because if they snored, if they run, if
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: they you know, blow or whatever and run off, well
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: that buck doesn't know. If it's a coyote, doesn't know.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: If it's somebody driving down along the edge of the field,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't know, if it's a hunter, they don't know. I mean,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: if you've been setting in the woods before and heard
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: deer over there blowing and acting up or whatever, you
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: don't have any idea what they're doing over there. It
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: could be a coon, So don't let that ruin your hunt.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: But if I can, if in some way, shape or
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: form other than send in an era through her, UH
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: can get her to leave. I've waved my hat before
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to get them to leave. Yeah, yeah, I've I've yet
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: to purposely spook those doughs away, but I've gotten to
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: thinking that that's probably the smart thing to do in
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: some scenarios. So I think I'm gonna start doing this.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Is Uh, this is good stuff, Heath. I've been enjoying this. Um.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I've been keeping it here for a while though, And
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I know it's even later where you're at on the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: East coast or east part of the United States versus
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: where I'm here on farther west. I gotta let you go,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: but uh, I want to end this. If your life
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: was dependent on someone, you know, killing a big, huge buck,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: killing a six year old one seventy plus, and I said, hey,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: if if such and such person doesn't kill a boon
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and crock a buck within this week, you're done, Heath.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I'm taking away your bow, I'm taking away your hunting rights,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm taking everything away, and you're you're going to jail
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: or whatever whatever it is. If you had to bet
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: your life or your hunting future or whatever it was
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: on someone killing a buck like that, who would you
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: pick and why would you pick him? So I know
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the hunting industry. Uh, mainly
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: all the big famous deer hunters or whatever I've I've met,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: talked to listen to podcasts, followed along with him or whatever.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: There's one guy that I would that's at the top
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: of my list every time something like this would come up,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: and I hang on every word when he's speaking, and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: that's Andre de Quisto. He is the most lethal, deadly
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: killer that I know. He looks at everything differently. I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: mean he's like you can stand here in the woods
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: and talk to him and the guy is looking over
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: your shoulder, he's looking out the side, you know. I
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: mean he's he's he's a predator and that's who I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: would have. That's uh, I thought that might be it.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: He I certainly wouldn't want him hunting me. No. No,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: his boys a chip off the old block, which is scary,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: it seems like it. So he If people want to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: follow along with your hunts this year or anything else
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you got going on, where can they? Where can they
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: find that stuff? Sure? My videos are on why Tell
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: addictions and that you can go to a Lone Wolf
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: custom gear YouTube channel and watch them and uh, look
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: for all the new equipment coming out from a Lone
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Wolf custom gear. They got their point five stands coming
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: out that are less than six pounds. Uh, several things
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: coming out here in the future, hopefully before season, so
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: look for all that stuff. Awesome. Well, I'll be looking
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: forward to watching the future videos and see how you
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: guys do this season. I uh, I'm hoping that you
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: get that one big buck down early October and we
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: can chat again and hear how you did it. That
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: sounds good. I appreciate you have me on Mark, and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: good luck to you this fall. Thanks he alright, guys
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: and gals, that is today's episode. I hope you enjoyed
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that one as much as I did. Um. You know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: if you wanna see what Heath spin up to and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: justin as we talked about last week, make sure check
• 1:25:47
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• 1:25:50
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• 1:25:55
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• 1:25:58
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:03
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• 1:26:06
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• 1:26:10
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• 1:26:13
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• 1:26:15
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• 1:26:18
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