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Lance Brozdowski talks Cubs dream Trade Deadline adds + Trevor Megill on The Miz, Brewers bullpen vibes · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: And I showed you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Here we are with one of my favorite guests.
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  Speaker 2: He loves me.
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  Speaker 3: The feeling sometimes is not mutual, but that's fine. Data
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  Speaker 3: Dish is delivered and powered by rap Sodo. We welcome
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  Speaker 3: in Lance Bresdowski from the player development analyst at Marquee Network.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get right into it and the pressure of the
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  Speaker 3: Cubs are facing of the deadline. We spoke to Patrick
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  Speaker 3: Mooney earlier of the Athletic and a Northside territory. What
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  Speaker 3: are you expecting from them? And with that question, I
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  Speaker 3: am going to Lance, I am just gonna disappear and
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  Speaker 3: I am gonna let you and Trevor urn out for
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  Speaker 3: the next twelve minutes, so you guys have a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go grab a quick snack.
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  Speaker 2: No, we need you here, man.
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  Speaker 4: No, the feeling is not mutual. I love conversing with you.
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  Speaker 5: I think we don't do a lot of the comboing,
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  Speaker 5: analytics and old school together. I feel like sometimes at
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  Speaker 5: our network too, I'm always like, no, don't play with
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  Speaker 5: the analytics guy.
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  Speaker 4: No, fench tray. I want to talk to the old school.
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  Speaker 5: I want to talk to sarge Orgy Friggy Jenkins when
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  Speaker 5: we have him at a Rick Stucklin and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So this is gonna be a blast.
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  Speaker 5: But I didn't hear what Mooney said, but great reporter,
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  Speaker 5: definitely respect all his perspective. I'm curious to see if
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  Speaker 5: my POV's a little bit different. They have to go
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  Speaker 5: get pitching, it's obvious, but I think to me, the
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  Speaker 5: more interesting question is how, like what kind of pictures
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  Speaker 5: do they value? Because Trevor knows as well, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: curious with both of your thoughts, but what we get
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  Speaker 5: publicly is a lot of like the residual that teams
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  Speaker 5: internally model out. So when they have a picture they like,
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  Speaker 5: it's not just like Jed Horror Carter Hawkins going no,
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  Speaker 5: I like that guy, Let's acquire him. It's more than
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  Speaker 5: looking at models. Those inputs driving their decision making based
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  Speaker 5: on you know, value and such. And I'm getting to
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  Speaker 5: the point where I have this half baked idea that
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if the Cubs just don't like velocity because
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  Speaker 5: I feel like every time they acquire anybody, it's someone
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  Speaker 5: who doesn't throw hard and somebody who cuts the ball,
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  Speaker 5: someone who throws like four or five pitches. They did
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  Speaker 5: this in the draft as well. They value spin, but
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  Speaker 5: it's always like, we're not gonna pay for the guy
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  Speaker 5: throwing ninety five to ninety seven. We'd rather pay for
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  Speaker 5: the guy ninety two to ninety three and a half
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  Speaker 5: with you know, the seven percent barrel rate a little
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  Speaker 5: bit below the average, and we're just gonna roll with
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  Speaker 5: a really good defense and hope that that guy succeeds.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like, you know, they've run into some
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  Speaker 5: injuries this year which are clouding this perspective slightly, with
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  Speaker 5: Kate Horton going down and Justin Steele being delayed and
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  Speaker 5: some of these other guys. But they acquire Cabrera. You know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe that's the counter to this logic. But David Peterson's
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  Speaker 5: an interesting example. My big question here is just do
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  Speaker 5: they actually go after someone at the deadline who throws
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  Speaker 5: hard or is this more of just like a David
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  Speaker 5: Peterson two point zero where they just acquire another guy
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  Speaker 5: who put the ball on ground. They rely on the
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  Speaker 5: middle of the infield pete and centerfield, and they call
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  Speaker 5: it a day in that perspective. So this is what
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about, right, This is percent of force even
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  Speaker 5: sinkers thrown above ninety five miles prior this season, they're
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  Speaker 5: dead last. They're the only team in baseball that hasn't
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  Speaker 5: thrown over two thousand fastballs called fastballs moving cutters ninety
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  Speaker 5: five plus. And they've been down there for the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of years and it really hasn't turned. And I
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  Speaker 5: find it fascinating because I just I don't know, like
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  Speaker 5: when you look at the teams that they're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to spar within the postseason, the Phillies, the Dodgers and
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  Speaker 5: some of these other clubs, they all throw hard, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like the Dodgers are the team in baseball and the
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  Speaker 5: Miners that have like an average fastball of ninety four
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  Speaker 5: point five ish, which is like a full tick above
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  Speaker 5: any other minor league gorg So, Trev, do you think
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  Speaker 5: like they can actually succeed in the postseason not throwing hard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I think the velocity is important.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot to do with that. And and
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  Speaker 1: and uh you.
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  Speaker 6: Mentioned something you said like do they just not want
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  Speaker 6: to pay for people that that the pay the throw hard?
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  Speaker 1: Right, It's it's almost interesting to think, like.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like more there's more guys who throw up
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  Speaker 6: ninety five plus than don't at this point, like guys
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  Speaker 6: like there's a there's so many of them that that
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  Speaker 6: there's so much supply that it feels like it might
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  Speaker 6: be something else. And and I'm trying to like, and
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  Speaker 6: this is what I where my question was going to
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  Speaker 6: go for you. I know, I'm just kind of fire
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  Speaker 6: one right back at you to answer your question real quickly. Now,
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  Speaker 6: I think that you need velocity somewhere. You need you
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  Speaker 6: need at least to have a difference of velocity. You
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  Speaker 6: need at least guys have back in Bullpene guys. And
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  Speaker 6: I know Palencia throws really hard and and and and stuff,
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  Speaker 6: but like you know, you should, you should you need
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  Speaker 6: velocity somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's always been that way too.
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  Speaker 6: You know, even even back in the day, you still
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  Speaker 6: wanted some guys who could throw harder and some guys
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  Speaker 6: who didn't throw as hard. So it's almost like there's
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  Speaker 6: something else that they value more and that they don't
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  Speaker 6: just they just put it down the priority list.
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  Speaker 1: And and what that is is what's interesting and in
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  Speaker 1: that and.
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  Speaker 6: That side of things, because we know justin Steele, he
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  Speaker 6: throws all his pitches. It's the same grip. He's got
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  Speaker 6: this feel thing going. I would say the same thing
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  Speaker 6: about Boyd. I would say the same thing about a Managa.
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  Speaker 6: Like these guys they're like unique in the way that
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  Speaker 6: they can manipulate a baseball and the way that they pitch,
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  Speaker 6: and the uniqueness might be that, like they're just different
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  Speaker 6: than everybody else. Maybe that's what they're looking for. So
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  Speaker 6: I wanted your take on that, like they do. You
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  Speaker 6: mentioned the draft, and you've been following the draft very closely.
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  Speaker 6: Would that apply to those guys as well in your opinion?
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  Speaker 6: Or are they like guys with just nice arsenals that
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  Speaker 6: you could find anywhere that are risks soaring ninety two
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  Speaker 6: ninety three.
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  Speaker 5: They have the heaviest tendency in the miners to cut
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  Speaker 5: the ball. So if you look at like armside movement
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  Speaker 5: of fastballs and the miners, they're the lowest. So they
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  Speaker 5: they definitely prize like the ability to get on side
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  Speaker 5: of the ball, and as a result of that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like the mix is just largerly able to seem shift
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  Speaker 5: into more shapes. If you look at the majority of
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  Speaker 5: the guys they took in the draft, almost every single
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  Speaker 5: one of these guys has like a sweeper above eighty
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  Speaker 5: four and it's great shape, and they cut the ball
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  Speaker 5: and it's like a little lower release. So that low
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  Speaker 5: slot soupernator style thing that we hear about a lot,
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  Speaker 5: that was the overarching tendency. Kay townsend their first round
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  Speaker 5: pick slightly different, but again, Sam I d throws like
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  Speaker 5: an eighty five mile prior sweeper. I think almost like
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  Speaker 5: every arm, I want to say, in the first like
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  Speaker 5: eight rounds that they took, they took eleven in their.
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  Speaker 4: First thirteen picks.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't looked through.
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  Speaker 5: I think the back two guys, I'm thinking they're but
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  Speaker 5: the majority of them, everyone I was looking at was
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  Speaker 5: just like, oh yeah, you throw a three thousand r
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  Speaker 5: pm eighty four mile power sweeper as well. So that's
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  Speaker 5: clearly what they value, and I think that's a fair
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  Speaker 5: thing to value. Like they love those shapes, and as
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  Speaker 5: a result of that, you're probably gonna end up with
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  Speaker 5: the guys that throw sinkers, and maybe that backs into
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  Speaker 5: the ball and ground point. But I guess, like I
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  Speaker 5: wonder almost whether the anti velo approach in certain arms,
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  Speaker 5: I agree it's not everyone, right. I wonder if it's
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  Speaker 5: almost more of like a this is getting really narrady,
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  Speaker 5: but like a dollar per war thing, Like you're talking
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  Speaker 5: about the supply of of the guys that throw really hard,
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  Speaker 5: and I agree with that, but I almost wonder whether
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  Speaker 5: you have so many teams constantly vying for all those arms,
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  Speaker 5: whether they're like, we're just gonna go from a dollar
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  Speaker 5: per war standpoint and see that the guy who has
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  Speaker 5: historically had a six and a half bearl rate in
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  Speaker 5: his career, on a dollar per war basis, there is
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  Speaker 5: a better chance of returning a surplus as opposed to
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  Speaker 5: paying for the guy at ninety six. And again, like
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  Speaker 5: I understand the counters here, irare Daniel Plentzi's hurt, Cad
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  Speaker 5: Wharton's hurt. But I think they're trying to thread that needle,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not entire really sure. I just want to
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  Speaker 5: see them go out, Like, of course i'd love for
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  Speaker 5: them to get school. I like Joe Ryan as a
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  Speaker 5: fit for them as well, but he's another guy doesn't
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  Speaker 5: really throw really hard, but I think he's an exceptional pitcher,
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  Speaker 5: so he'd be an obvious exclusion to this rule if
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  Speaker 5: they go get him. But like Clay Holmes, would be
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  Speaker 5: the obvious name that like fits perfectly with their scheme
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  Speaker 5: right where it's.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, you're ball on ground.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you spin the ball really well, and we're
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  Speaker 5: just gonna rely in the middle of the infield as
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  Speaker 5: opposed to going and getting like an impact arm. I
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  Speaker 5: think Boyd could be a game one or two starter.
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  Speaker 5: He's weird enough. He gets enough z own miss for
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  Speaker 5: that to work. But I worry about them a little
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  Speaker 5: bit in a playoff series where it's like, Okay, you
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  Speaker 5: got Boyd and then it's like, oh, where are we
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  Speaker 5: going now? You know, like showed is good, but huge
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  Speaker 5: home run problem a lot of the time. Maybe if
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  Speaker 5: that game's at Wrigley in the in the team's a
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  Speaker 5: little susceptible to lefties. Yeah, I could see him starting,
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  Speaker 5: look at game two or something, or maybe split it
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  Speaker 5: up the lefties and go one in three. But finding
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  Speaker 5: that number two starter, it's either Edward Cabrera comes back
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  Speaker 5: and is amazing from his injuries, which we really haven't
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  Speaker 5: seen the season, or you go out and get someone
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  Speaker 5: that's actually Stunn and you put him at the top
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  Speaker 5: of the rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we're always going to push great starters to
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  Speaker 5: teams that need starters. It's just a matter of whether
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  Speaker 5: they pulled the trigger and ten year innniversary of twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 5: like that team went out and made some moves. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I hope that the reunion they had recently maybe spurred
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  Speaker 5: some some ideas in Hoyer and carlier Hawkins had to
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  Speaker 5: get them going in a direction that's a little more
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  Speaker 5: aggressive than they've been at prior deadlines.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I just want to make this clear for
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  Speaker 3: all the Cup fans that are watching on Marquee, Lance
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  Speaker 3: says the Cubs are cheap.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. You guys continue to know.
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  Speaker 3: I stand you said they don't want to get into
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  Speaker 3: barry numbers about velocity, so you said it. Enjoy Marquis.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm I'm out.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you don't really we don't need Lance and
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  Speaker 6: tell us that the team will refuses to go one
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  Speaker 6: dollar over the luxury tax every year.
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  Speaker 2: Age like clear, it was just funny.
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  Speaker 3: It was just funny because Lance was like because of
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  Speaker 3: what Lance said, No, Lance, I understand what you talked
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 4: He posted me there, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got him, you got him. It's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Now now you got me off my game and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what was my I follow up a question.
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  Speaker 6: Uh okay, so talking talking more about like what could
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  Speaker 6: they go get them? So okay, so outside's let's let's
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  Speaker 6: start to maybe think about some of these options outside
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  Speaker 6: of Joe, Ryan and Karry Scoble. Honestly, though, even when
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  Speaker 6: it comes to the dollars and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Schoogle is just like he's a free agent. You're paying
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  Speaker 1: with ten million dollars.
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  Speaker 6: He's gonna be owed and then you get him for
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  Speaker 6: two months, Like that's what's gonna happen unless you want
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  Speaker 6: to extend him.
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  Speaker 1: But he's gonna be so expended like it's he's.
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  Speaker 6: Gonna think about Yeah, let's go to the market, like
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  Speaker 6: and he's gonna be good every game.
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  Speaker 1: He just is.
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  Speaker 6: You're gonna get a level that he's not gonna go below.
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  Speaker 6: And you can't say that outside of those guys, who
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  Speaker 6: who who do you think is a great fit? And
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  Speaker 6: then who in your in your heart of hearts is
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  Speaker 6: like this, this is a cup, This guy's a cup.
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  Speaker 1: Who's out there available? Who do you think it could be?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I I think pretty much any of the
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  Speaker 5: starters make a lot of sense for them. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: entire I don't have a lean or inside in front,
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  Speaker 5: like what direction they'd be lead. I think that the
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  Speaker 5: name that I found most intriguing is I was looking
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  Speaker 5: through Jeff Passing and Kyle mcdanie put together a great
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  Speaker 5: piece where they ranked all the trade deadline pieces basically
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  Speaker 5: like one through one hundred and kind of rode a
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  Speaker 5: blurbs and match teams and stuff. Clubs are basically mentioned
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  Speaker 5: under every starting pitcher. They weren't mentioned under Mason Miller.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, that'd be a great fit. I like, I
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  Speaker 5: kind of like Josh Hater. Here's a kind of fascinating one.
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  Speaker 5: He had some relationship with Council. I believe he's a
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  Speaker 5: TRED Athletics guy too, And the Cubs have Tyler Zombro,
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  Speaker 5: who used to be one of the bigger guys at
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  Speaker 5: TRED Athletics. From a development standpoint, I wonder if there's
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  Speaker 5: some connection between all those pieces that makes that a
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  Speaker 5: little more of a fit. He's also owed a good
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  Speaker 5: amount of money. I think it's off the time I had.
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  Speaker 5: I want to say it's between sixteen and twenty mil
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  Speaker 5: for the next two years, or at least this year,
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  Speaker 5: and one more correct me on that if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 5: But he makes a lot of sense to me, just
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  Speaker 5: from the standpoint of every time he's ever been on
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  Speaker 5: the mound. He misses his bats like he does weird
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  Speaker 5: stuff from the left side.
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  Speaker 9: We all know this.
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  Speaker 5: Anytime we see him, it's like, Oh, he's throwing like
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  Speaker 5: this weird riding sinker and I love that, Like, I
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  Speaker 5: think they could use another leverage arm. Jacob Webb's been
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  Speaker 5: great this year. I think that acquisition was awesome. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you go in a play series
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  Speaker 5: and go can't wait for him to be my guy
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  Speaker 5: in the bottom of the ninth, you know, like I'd
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  Speaker 5: love for him to be like the eighth and the
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  Speaker 5: seventh guy. If they get Polencia back like that, If
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  Speaker 5: you can get a bullpen of like Hater Polenci and
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  Speaker 5: Jacob Webb like you're cooking man, Like that's awesome, then
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  Speaker 5: you got to figure out how to bridge to get
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  Speaker 5: to the seven, eight nine. If we could talk about
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  Speaker 5: separately with the starters. But I really like Josh here
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  Speaker 5: is a fit. I just think he's a good pitcher.
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  Speaker 5: There's a relationship between those organizations of Dana Brown and
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  Speaker 5: Jed Hoyer with the car Kyle Tucker trade, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's pure speculation on mind.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have no idea if the conversations are ongoing
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  Speaker 4: on those guys. But I'm just trying to.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to open the third eye a little bit
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  Speaker 5: and find a guy that I think makes sense. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know is one of the side's
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  Speaker 5: gonna eat money? Do do the Astras eat money to
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  Speaker 5: get better prospects back? And that's where I think the
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  Speaker 5: Cubs are uniquely positioned because they have Jefferson Rojas, who
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  Speaker 5: I believe is like pretty consensuscy in.
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  Speaker 4: That like top fifty area. He can get you a
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  Speaker 4: pretty big piece.
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  Speaker 5: He's completely blocked right now as well, like they tied
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  Speaker 5: up Nico Horner, Dansy Swanson and Alex Braigman. I had
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  Speaker 5: no idea where Jefferson Ross is gonna play. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he looks great. You know, he's kind of moving off
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  Speaker 5: short a little. I think he's filled out body wise.
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  Speaker 5: It started to add power and if you look at him,
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  Speaker 5: like Fangrass does some like surplus value stuff and I'm
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  Speaker 5: putting out a YouTube video on my channel that kind
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  Speaker 5: of goes into it.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, he from.
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  Speaker 5: A surplus value standpoint would line up in like the
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  Speaker 5: forty to fifty five million dollar area, which is a
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  Speaker 5: lot like that is a massive chip to put down,
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  Speaker 5: And I kind of wonder whether they get to the
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  Speaker 5: deadline and if they want to make a move, why
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  Speaker 5: not take the guy that's blocked and go.
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  Speaker 4: Go get something?
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if that would swing and end up
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  Speaker 5: getting them put them on the table for like a
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: school ball, that'd be amazing, you know, But I imagine
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers are just gonna be like, hey, make sure
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: we're able to make the last offer because it's going
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: to be better than anybody else's. But you know, could
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: that get him a Joe Ryan? Is that a Sanuel
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: Countra style thing? I like personally Joe Ryan. I think
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: he'd be a fit on the team. Again, kind of
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: no idea if like that conversation is ongoing, But if
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: you're asking me for like the dream package or the
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: Cubs go after, it'd be Joe Ryan, It'd be Josh
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: Hater And to be getting rid of some of these
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: prospects that I think are kind of blocked, Jackson Wiggins,
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: Jefferson Rojas, maybe some subtle pieces they would a lot
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: of depth in the Dominican too. Maybe some teams like
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: you know, cobbling up a Dominican guy way off alongside
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: an immediate impact type in Jackson Wiggins who's kind of
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: trending more to me as a reliever, but really fun
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: fastball there.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: So they got chips, man.
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: I think I was looking at some of these other
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: teams and I don't know how many of them have
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: the bargainy chips the Cubs do, Like the Yankees, are
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: in an interesting spot.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Are they gonna trade Lagron, Hay and Lombard?
• 14:22
  Speaker 9: No?
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: Beyond that, you got to convince a team that they love,
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: like a Ben Hesser, Elm Rodriguez. The Braves have a
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: ton of pitching depth they I think could be a player,
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: and the Dodgers as well. But I think the Cubs
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: are uniquely positioned to go beyond where the Dodgers and
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: the Yankees are shopping and have pieces to entice a
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: team to give up an asset that would really help them.
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: See, this is why we love having you on Lance
• 14:45
  Speaker 6: because I know that AJ and I AJ probably agrees
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: with me here.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: You could have made like half those names up. We
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know. You know, you know everything.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: God, I think he did, Trevor, I don't any of
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: those you got me like you.
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: Just I mean, I'm chasing material old right like I'm like,
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: there is a lot of names on a list of
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: keeping I'm glad we have you to keep us updated.
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: And and someone is tracking as closely what everyone has,
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: because it does sound like the Cubs have some pieces.
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: Are like, guys, this makes all the sense in the world.
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: They're being blocked. Anyways, you have already signed your core.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: This is the core that you think you're gonna win with. Yep,
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: So let's go try to win right now. Okay, so
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna switch gears. Just we're gonna zoom out a
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: little bit more or go ahead.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: No, I said, let's do it.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: We're gonna zoom in a little bit, a little bit more.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about pitching labs. Aja's favorite thing in the
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: whole world. Don't worry, AJ, You're coming in to this
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: conversation in just one moment. Pitching labs and every team
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: has them. Everyone hears about what a pitching lab is.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: I also myself am am developing one in a in
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: a facility here as well. Lots of nerd stuff going on,
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: But in reality, it's you go there and you get
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: a bunch of you get a bunch of different ways
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: look at it, and then you guys try to make
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: better decisions, make yourself better. It's the same thing was
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: happening in bullpens. Now there's just cameras around, and but who,
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: what team, what team is doing.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: This the best? Because we just talked about the Cubs.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: They have something they specifically look for, and pitching labs
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: are where a lot of this what they're looking.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: For comes from.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: And also when they put people in their pitching lab,
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: they then try to get the most out of what
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: they're looking for.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: So it's it's approaching it from both directions.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: As of right this moment, let's just say like from
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: the beginning of this year maybe to the end, because
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: it's this stuff is.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Like going all over the place. One's really good at
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: it one year and the next year that's gone because.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: A lot of recency bias. So right now, who do
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: you think has the best pitching lab right now with
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: what they're doing is working the best this year in
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, in twenty.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Twenty six with that qualifier, I think it's a debate
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: between four teams. I think it's the Rays, the Guardians,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: the Brewers, and the Yankees. Each of them has done
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: some really cool stuff with pitchers. I mean, the Brewers
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: is the obvious one between Yzowski and Arison, and they
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: have like the Sorcerer magic, where it's like any picture
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: they pick up, it's like, Oh, of a sudden, he's
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: like ammdiate better. Like Joe kuhnele throws two miles per
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: hour harder just because he walked into American Family Field
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: out there, which is just I don't know if there's
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: some black magic going on there or what.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: The Yankees I think are number one.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: And this may be a little controversial, but if you
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: talk to people in baseball, they're the one team that
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: I've had multiple people from different organizations that are not
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: the Yankees tell me that if you were to, like
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: name a team that's number one with a bullet, it's them.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: And I think it's a byproduct of how well they
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: manage workload. And I know you're gonna be.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, they've blown out arms.
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: It's like I.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Had some director of pitching the other day tell me
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: every arm is either hurt or about to be hurt,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: So it's a little bit hard to like look at
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: the last two months and be like, well Freed was
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: on the al It's like, okay, Well, also, how about
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Cam Schlitzer adding seven miles per hour, you know, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: still healthy, Like everyone told me he was gonna blow out.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: That kid might win the al cy hung right now,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: you know. So I think it's personally Yankees, but I
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: think it's a fourteen debate at this present moment. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: also would throw in the Guardians and the Rays. The
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Rays I think are just so sneaky with acquisition and
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: roster construction and like like pitching staff construction. They're always
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: a team that's considered a little behind on the biomech side,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: and like ken Max and how a body moves and
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: integrating that back to ball flight. I never hear them
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: at the top of that list, but they do the
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: ballflight stuff so well that I think a lot of
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: people kind of don't blame them for not being great
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: on the body side. But this year they're throwing like
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: a bazillion change ups, a lot of right right change
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: ups too. So to me, this is this is like
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: clever and fun where it's like, Okay, we can't go
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: out and pay twenty five million dollars for a pitcher.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: So let's go get Nick Martinez and Acchoir Brian Baker.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: And throw them. Just throw.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Have these guys throw a pitch that always models out positively,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: but the league just never uses. They're up at like
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: twenty one percent change ups here, right right, change ups.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: They're also number one in baseball. I think it's around
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: like fourteen percent or so. So I love the Guardians.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: I think the Brewers are good, and the Yankees are
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: good and the Rays are good. So like that's my four.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to order them, but I would put
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: the Yankees up top, and I think I might get
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: some pushback just because the Brew's done so much amazing
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: stuff this year. But I'm curious what you guys think.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I think you're you're, you're. Those top
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: four are definitely the right top four.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: I think that a lot of teams do really, uh
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: do a really great great job here.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But here's my last question before we let you go,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: because we've covered a lot of ground here.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and this one's going to both Aja and you
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: because I think this is a really interesting thought experiment.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Uh just got done talking with our friend, you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: Sarah's about usage and how a bunch of players are
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: just like just change usage of a bunch of bitches,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: like over the last month. And this is pretty common
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: going into the break, like they see something like I'm
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: gonna I'm gonna lean into throwing this pitch, and a
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: lot of it's is pitching lab information. They like have
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: stuff they can act on. So my question is, uh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: let's assume that that you let Prime Greg Maddix go
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: and just throw in one just He's not trying to fix,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: change or do anything. He just wants to understand, uh
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: like have more uh points to like if something changes,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: he knows immediately opposed to like having to feel it
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: and get results to tell him. Right, say, Greg Maddox,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: who is the professor, like he's named the professor, gets
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: this information and gets to go out.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Do you think that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Greg Maddox would have made his adjustments through a start
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: pitch to pitch faster had he had access to being
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: in a pitching.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Lab that is both to Lance and AJ.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Do you think that Greg Maddox if he pitched now
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: and had just get to do it one time and
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: got to get that information that he would just be like, oh,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: like I can, I can make these adjustments even.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Faster me or AJ first, go ahead, A J first,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I want to hear AJ.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think he was just fine. I loved hitting off
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Greg Maddicks.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So I think whatever Greg Maddox did, he should have
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: stuck with exactly what he did. Don't chanse the thing. Greg,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I love you, I loved titting off of you, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I love hanging.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Out with so great.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, of course he would have done it
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: faster because he would add more information. So yes, but
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you know what the best part about Greg Maddox was
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: he'd go like this and go I'd be like, oh,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: here comes the RX bok, so get ready for the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: change it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That was my That was my key to hitting Greg Maddix.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I agree with it. I mean I
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: think I think every picture would have been better. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: was asked the other day like like we had we
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: were talking to Rick Sutcliffe here and uh, and he
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: was like, I would have of course, I would have
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: been better, you know. And it's like it's like if
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: you have more information, like of course, you know, Like
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there were things even Greg Maddox maybe was like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: oh I wish I knew this or that, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: and if there's any data that could have progressed him,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: then absolutely. I think it's a no brainer that a
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: lot of these guys. I think the interest the more
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: interesting question to me, if you cause I think if
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you take any picture from the past and bring them in,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: any great picture from the past, bring them into the
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: modern era, they would be successful. My larger question is
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: how many of those guys would have to add velocity
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: to be good because we've seen forcing fastball villa just skyrocket,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: you know, like who's the guy from then? They could
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: have stayed at the villa they threw and if you
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: brought them into twenty twenty six, they'd still be successful.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I think the majority, vast majority would have to add villo.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: But I feel like Greg Maddox might be the unicorn
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: where he could have just pitched, like you you time travel,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: take him and put him in a game tonight, like
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: who has the best line? I think Greg Maddox will
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: be up there. It's it's just that's kind of how
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I think of that question.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense, that's fascinating.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thinking about which guys would have had who
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: would have probably added velocity, like uh, I know Pedro
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: couldet ninety eight, he would have been thrown in seven
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: ninety eight all the time.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He would have been thrown it the whole time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: And that's also like, if this were the way he
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: if this were what valued so as much when he played,
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: he would have done it, and he would have done it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: He would have been just as he would have been
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Pedro still like, I'm I'm I'm of the same I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: of the same line.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely true.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: These guys would have adapted the same way, and it
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: would have been pretty interesting to see.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you Lance.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It's good to see Jake Bowers has become the player
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: he thought he would be four years ago. So thanks,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I can't believe he didn't. Okay, well that's that's usually
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: what they said. But thanks Lance. And whether you're building
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: a program developing.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Players are just guess.
• 23:01
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• 23:03
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• 23:06
  Speaker 10: We'll be right back. I get to it, I get
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: to injury. I feel like aj right now, I do
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: like I'm not as good looking but here with Trevor McGill,
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: closer extraordinaire, just elitist pitcher for the second half Brewers,
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: the league leading Brewers.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: You guys have the most wins.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Did you realize that?
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean a couple of days ago, right, that happened.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: It happened, They happened.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Does it matter?
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: Not really?
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: I mean, we we did it last year and you
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: know it fell a little bit short. So I you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: I think the team's got our sites, you know, said
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: a little different this year, a little more experience.
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: Is there something different though that you talk about or
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: is it just well, well we have more experience, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: so when we go in and have a three game
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: series against the you know so and so, or have
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: a five game series, this is how we have to
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: attack it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, not for your bullpeng guys, but yeah, the offense.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: I mean, I imagine.
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: So it's just you get to a point in the
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: playoffs where you know, you run into guys that are
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: you know, paid the amount of money they are to
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: pitch that way in the playoffs, and uh, you know
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: it's rant into three guys during that series.
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: So I mean.
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: Tip the cap to them, you know, I'm sure down
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: there in the dugout they got a lot of different
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: things they you know, they're going to do this yere,
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: but uh, you know, we're just in the bullpen and
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: join the vibes until it's time to you know, bitch,
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: So you just kind of handle our little r little
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: thing over there.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, big dog?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Question for you?
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: Fifteen straight appearances without giving up a run. My question
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: to you is, because you know people out there, the
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: normal people are going to be like, is that on
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: your mind? Like how do you go in day in
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: and day out when you go in there, like it's
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: got to be in the back of your mind knowing
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: like I got to get this guy out. Man, I'm
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: trying to get this going. I think that's pretty cool.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: You you've been doing fantastic.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well we gave it one yesterday, so we're that's why. Yees. Yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: we're right. It was okay time. Yeah, we're right back.
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: We're right back to zero.
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: But uh, you know, like I mentioned on the network
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: the other day, is you know, we're kind of climbing
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: down from Evis Everest a little bit there at the
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: beginning of the season. So kind of when you got
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: an inflated the ra like that just zero's are your
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: friend and uh, you know, you got to get in
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: the good graces of your manager after kind of bought
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: a few there, so we just kind of kept our
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: head down and just kept grinding and the guys setting
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: up everything after we got back in that closer role.
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: Just been fantastic and have been putting.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: Me in positions to, you know, go out and get
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: says and help the help the team the way I can.
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: Is that tough when you I know, as a hitter,
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: if I look up at the I'm looking at the
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: scoreboard right now. The thing it's bigger every year. I
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: haven't been back here for eight years. But you look
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: at your status and you're like, ah, man, I'm hitting
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: like one fifty. I needed to go higher. Yeah, do
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: you look because you're running in your angle, you never
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: see your numbers. I mean actually, I mean right here
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: on the banner. So like if you peak your you
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: peak your veilo, you might catch a glimpse through your
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: ra A. I try not to do that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: What do you look at more?
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: I'm always staring at the field up.
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: They did have some metrics now up on the top
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: right screen by right field, so I'm able to kind
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: of catch a glimpse of what the heater Kurr balls
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: at for the day.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: But yeah, I just try.
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: Just try to throw it in a good spot and
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: you know, let my defense work. Those dudes have been
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: killing for me this year, especially the last couple of outings.
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: Not many punch he's a lot of great plays. So uh,
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: it's it's always, you know, always the guy's behind me
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: helped me out them, you know, more than I'm probably
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: helping myself out.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: So yeah, for sure.
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: I want to I want to talk about one of
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: your teammates, Jacob Mezarouski. I mean, this guy has been
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: absolutely dynamite. I know you're out in the outfield, you
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: can't see it. I know you've seen him throw before.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: Just talk a little bit about how how good this
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: guy is, you know, can you explain to the viewer,
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: like exactly how far he gets that arm down there,
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: how lanky he is and just throwing over one hundred
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: and three hundred and four miles an hour, How incredible
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: that is.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: Watching to play catch right now and I'm going to
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: hit it, like, can you explain what he was just doing?
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: Because he's playing catch? Out there right now when you
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: answer toimes question, but you can't explain what.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: He was just doing there.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's just getting some work in.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: You know, he's throwing the ground balls.
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: Well, yeah, he's young, he's you know, he needs to
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: work a little bit. So that's kind of Charlie Green's
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: department to make sure everybody on the PfP side of
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: things is on the It's not though.
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: Charlie is a big part of our culture here.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: You know, he drills it in from you know, the
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: beginning levels of our organization.
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: And when they get up here, things are expected.
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: But with Miserowski, I mean last year, still throwing hard,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: you know, a little bit more sporadic with the fastball
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: and kind of where he is in the zone. And
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: you know, he made that one big adjustment of kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: of leaning over into his uh, into his setup a
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: little bit more, and you know, I think that's kind
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: of helped him be a little more consistent. And uh
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: now you're just kind of seeing him blow up the
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: zone with heaters and uh when William or Gary you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: kind of senses it's time to throw a curveball, he
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: drops out on him and usually it works.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Do you see it when you're when this game starts
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: with him, do you see it?
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: And like WHOA, Like I can tell these guys are
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: not on it or can you see it? Like, oh,
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: you know what this might be? Somebody might need to
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: be ready in the in the fifth.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I get it. This year he's been eleague, but you
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: know you can sense that well.
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: I mean we've had a nice little couple of months
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: run where you know, it's Misraowski day. We're pretty much
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: kick our feet up till the seventh. So right now
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: the team's you know, got them on a little bit
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: shorter of a plan just to kind of give him
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: a cool down before you know, September rolls around. But
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: you know, it's just the work that he's put in
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: and just kind of the commitment to what he's doing
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: is very impressive.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Doesn't that cook you guys? I mean, knowing that he's
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: only going to go four like no, no, it's all right.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: I mean it's just one day.
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: I mean he's picked us up for seventies multiple times
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: in a row, and you know, you post up like
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: that and you know team gives you orders to go
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: out and pitch seventy five for the day. Yeah, it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: all right. We're all here to pick each other up.
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: And and you know he's he's done it plenty.
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: For us this year or so, right, you know what
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: had Arnold looks like? Yeah, do you avoid him when
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: you see him in the hall out? Now, I know Matt,
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: he's like very cordial. He's an awesome dude. But do
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: you see him because it's a trade deadline?
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: Do you see him and go No, he's uh, that's
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: that's a one one GM president. So you know it's
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: there's not anybody that I've really comeing across yet. It's
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: like truly like him. Uh, always in the clubhouse, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: always seems like he's doing some kind of like team
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: building exercise with you know, his office for the coaching staff. Uh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: pickleballs are many things, you know, always playing pickle ball
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: at the staff.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: So he loves it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: But no, he's not a guy that you know you
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: see walking down the hallway and you're like a ship,
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: we gotta you know, duck out of this Guy's what it's.
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: You know, he's such a good guy. You're on help
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: me run into him just to say hello. And you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: as long as you enough fire and you're sending you
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: it's okay. You know, we joke around too, even during
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: our little downstrend there in you know, late April, middle
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: of April. You know, it's still cordial and you know
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: has faith in me, and you know it's just bumps
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: in the road.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: You know, he understands that kind of stuff.
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: So that helps when your boss has faith a lot.
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: So yeah, it's just he's the one, one guy. It's
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: nothing like I've ever seen before.
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• 31:31
  Speaker 8: I want to ask about the challenge pictures. I just
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: found out about this that you guys as hitters have
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: just challenged two point eight percent of the pitches this
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: season that are challengeable.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Is there is there a reasoning for that? Is there?
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Are you trying to save it in the later innings?
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: Do you know much about that? Are you just worried
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: about pitching?
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: Hire low low Low Gary?
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: Ease up a lot of those things. Man, He's usually
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: right too, El Gary, El Gary just challenging.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Just does know.
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: I likes challenging more than cracking, man.
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: But he's been on it this year, and you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: I just flipped a lot of counts for himself and
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: for our pictures.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Just just check.
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, but do you sit out there and you go,
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: I'm one hundred percent following what El Gary or wild
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: Bill says, Oh, we're.
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: Not challenging his pictures nobody. No, it's we had a
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: challenger in the air and the phone got picked up.
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: Not to do that, you know, coming from Murphy.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: Me and William.
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: You know, if I we kind of have the relationship
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: to where if I throw a heater or curveball down,
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: you know, I'll probably I'll give him like a nod
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: real quick, like I want that, and it's up to
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: him to do it or not.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: That's quick. That's a quick because he can't delay.
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: No, well, I mean he got three seconds, which is
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: honestly a lot more time than you think out there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Does he give you this?
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: Nah?
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: I really, I mean I usually know if it's a ball,
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: but if it's a close one, I think we had
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: one who gets Miami. You know, I nodded my head
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: real quick out low heater and immediately hit the challenge
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: button and we want it. So that was that was
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: pretty cool. That's awesome.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, do you do you feel like your pitches
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: change where people view them? You know what I mean,
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: Like you know where the strike zone is, but while
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: Bill's pulling it up, do you feel like yours planes
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: out more?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Somebody with the sinker?
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: Does that?
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: Do you feel like it changes, like like umpires routinely
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: missed a certain spot for you, and so you're like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: I feel like because you got so much carry on
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: all the ball sometimes and just kind of my height
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: in which I throw the ball to, I feel like
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: that down the down heater, the down curveball, especially if
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: it's a little bigger that day, Like, those are the
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: two that get missed the most. But you know that's
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: that's what we got challenged just before. Now, right, so
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: we get for sure.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Right, Trevor, does Murphy have a nickname for you?
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: I mean it was calling me Lance for a while while,
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: but uh, now we got I don't have no idea, man,
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: now we got Now he got mccoller. So I haven't
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: heard that one, but Charlie.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: Charlie called me gorilla a few years ago and that's
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: kind of been the one since.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: So but nothing from Murph.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: I don't know he's Gorilla. I don't know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It just stuck gorilla, don't you all know what the mcguilla?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Gorilla was a.
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: Little younger.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: By the way, do you guys make fun of Murph
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: for his hip problem that he had when he had
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: that machine. He was wheeling that machine around with him everywhere.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Please tell me y'all wore him out about that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: So Wade Wade Bottom the wheelchairs what two three years
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: ago and Wade Miley was talking about he got it
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: like he used it for a couple of days, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: just to go along with a joke. And it's been
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: in the closet since. You know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: I kind of wish he would be on that thing
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: a little bit more, just save himself. But uh yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: I mean I give him a hard time every once.
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: In a while. He's the boss, though, so you got
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: to kind of keep it light, do you.
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: I mean, they build a platform for him, do you
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: worry about Murph? They build a platform in the dugout.
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: If you guys haven't seen it, like you got to
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: look it up. They build a platform right at the
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: end of the dugout towards home plate with a big,
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: high padded chair, not a regular padded chair, like a
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: high padded chair.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I think we.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Lost that first game he sat in there. He went
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: right back to his cave, went right back to his But.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: He looks like he's in pain, Like you can't have
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: your manager in pain.
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: So but if he's up there, he's getting picked off
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: by some you.
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: Know, and someone gets deeper and you know it's it's over.
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: But I don't know, man, he's I think he kind
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: of sets the tone on, you know, expectations with what
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: he's going through a little bit.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: You know, he's out there.
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: He don't want to, you know, be taken off the fielder,
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: be taken away from the action. And you know, there
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: could be a lot said for that as well. You know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: he could just taken a three week hiatus, but he
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: chose not to. And you know, I got a lot
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: of respect for that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Though he didn't he have something done at the All
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Star break? Didn't he take the All Star.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: Break off or the Little starbreak, got his.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Hip worked on or whatever he had gone?
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: He took one day off. I think like his nerve,
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: his nerve block wore off and that he took that
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: rest of that day off. It was right back in
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: there the following day. So he's got a high pain threshold.
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: I'll tell you that is.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, aj go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: I was just gonna say, what is the if you
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: were to put one thing on it, because we're talking
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: about you said about murph like culture. I tried to
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: explain the culture of the Brewers organization. What you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: what goes on here, what I saw on eighteen, what
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: I know from the people that still work here. If
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: you were to say the one culture thing that you
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: see as a team, what do you think is the
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: best thing that you're like, this is what keeps the
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: boys together?
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: Just the effort, I think.
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: You know, there's very very few times where you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: balls hit that ain't like one ten to the second
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: basement where they're like jogging the first Like that's a
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: great example of the outfielders always busting the ass on balls.
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: Just I think that kind of I would just always
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: joke with Merphs. It's like that collegiate mindset he has
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: is kind of contagious up here because you get away
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: from it a little bit. You know, you kind of
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: depend on the long ball, and you know, certain aspects
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: of the game like that and all the hustle plays
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: and kind of get lost throughout the league. And I
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: feel like over the last decade or so, and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: think that's kind of what he brought back to baseball,
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: was like the bunting and the small ball in the
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: hustle and just like the underlying grit and a player,
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: So that's I think this is the main thing.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: But he'll also call you out for it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: No, because there was plays the other day where you
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: saw him he was pissed off it at Durang he did,
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: you know, he misread the hop and it got past him.
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: We've seen we've seen different pictures get called out. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: is that necessary because if you have the expectation but
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: never the call out, I think that it's very necessary.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: And he's a guy that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: You know, if if it's warranted and it's you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: an obvious mistake, like yeah, you kind of deserve to
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: get aired out a little bit. That's just it's we're
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: not really here for feelings. We're here to win some
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: ball games. And I feel like guys just don't take
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: it too personally. And a lot of people here, you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: take that challenge and take it the right way. So,
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: I mean, I've been called out before plenty of other
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: people and that Doug I have been called out before
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: as well. But at the same time, like you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: he's doing it because he's got expectations, you know, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: he wants you to be your best self, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: just just a little push.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Trevor can ask me win twenty games this year and
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: you guys call him the vulture.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: He wants funny.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: Twelve still he's at twelve, still playing magic left in
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: the season.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I thought he got to thirteen. Did he not know
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: he's still twelve. He's stuck on twelve.
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: He's at twelve. But yeah, there's there's some magic left.
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: We'll see if he can get a few.
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: And flipping, do you.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Guys get him a hard time in the bullpen for
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: what AJ said?
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: He's earned.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: He's coming.
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: He's coming to a lot of down one games or
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: tiede games and you know, pitch two innings and this
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: is especially early in the season. He racked up a
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: lot of those earlier where he was throwing two three
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: innings and uh, you know, I'd say, I say a
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: lot of those are are are earned, and maybe two
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: or three have been the Vulture. But now he deserves
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: every bed of that man. He's just a great leader
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: in the clubhouse. And you like to see cool ship
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: like that happen for good guys.
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: Right, do you let absolutely when the boys do well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: you're like, yeah, I want that? Is there somebody's like
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: roll in the bullpen that you're just sittingenamored by because
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: Aaron's way different than you. Throwing from the left side.
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: He's got you know, he's not gonna go just an inning.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: Is there somebody in the bullpen that you're like, Man,
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: I wish I had.
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: That, sir, and you got the rubber arm you could
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: just throw up, dude.
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, he'll throw two three innings one day and
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: like that would be up.
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: The next day. I mean, he's he's just a dog
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: like that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: You watch him throwing, your arm gets sore.
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: I mean I try to keep I try my best
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: to keep it fifteen pitches, but uh you know that's
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: what we got full terrence for. Okay, But yeah, i'd
• 40:28
  Speaker 11: probably say Aaron man, the way he spends that baseball
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: and like his sinker, like it's just everything he throws.
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: His plus plus I always called it too sixteen because
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: that's a stuff plus score on a slider.
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: Things gross, Come.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: On, you actually know what his stuff plus score is.
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: So what's your stuff plus score on your It's like
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: one thirty nine or so one thirty five, one thirty
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: one for you on like.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: My best best day. But uh no, it's like slider.
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: It grated out like a two thirteen or A two
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: sixteen last year and all that, and I was.
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: Like, damn, that's a good freaking pitch man.
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: It's like top top, top tier in the league two thirteen.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I love it, Trevor.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Cratchy, thanks for grabbing Trevor McGill
• 41:11
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