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- 0:00Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen. Right now on crime Watch Daily, a.
- 0:11Speaker 2: Wealthy banker in the middle of a messy divorce falls
- 0:14Speaker 2: in love with his assistant, a former exotic answer.
- 0:18Speaker 3: It was like a kick in the stomach.
- 0:20Speaker 2: The wife who was in the way. The crook who
- 0:22Speaker 2: confessed to cops he was the hired hitman Holme Base,
- 0:29Speaker 2: Crime Watched Daily with a tale of big money, multiple lovers,
- 0:33Speaker 2: and a murder.
- 0:33Speaker 3: For hire, and I s, would do you know of
- 0:35Speaker 3: anyone that would want to kill you?
- 0:38Speaker 2: Then a crime spree that haunted and taunted Los Angeles
- 0:41Speaker 2: one by one, young women assaulted in murder. Today, the
- 0:46Speaker 2: woman who escaped the Grim Sleeper breaks her silence.
- 0:49Speaker 4: You're the only one who survived.
- 0:52Speaker 5: This serial killer was a survivor that we only know of.
- 0:55Speaker 2: And in a crime Watch Daily exclusive, Grim Sleeper on
- 0:59Speaker 2: the hull, grilled by police.
- 1:02Speaker 6: You have sex with them, you killed them?
- 1:06Speaker 4: Right now, Andrea Isisenser with Crimewatch Daily.
- 1:08Speaker 7: Jason Matara, Crime Watch Daily.
- 1:10Speaker 8: This I'm Elizabeth.
- 1:12Speaker 4: I'm here at crimewatch on.
- 1:13Speaker 8: Michelle from Crime Watch Daily, Ana Garcia from Crime Watch
- 1:16Speaker 8: is crime Watch Daily.
- 1:19Speaker 7: We'll find you again, we always do.
- 1:25Speaker 2: Welcome to crime Watch Daily Everyone, I'm Chris Hansen. We
- 1:28Speaker 2: start today with a wealthy banker in the middle of
- 1:30Speaker 2: a messy divorce. You see who was in love with
- 1:33Speaker 2: someone else, a former stripper now working as his assistant,
- 1:37Speaker 2: and police say he had to get his wife out
- 1:39Speaker 2: of the picture figuratively and literally. He's a small time crook.
- 1:44Speaker 2: You want to talk about what's going on? Turned hit man.
- 1:48Speaker 9: He's like a Martin robber Holm Bason.
- 1:52Speaker 2: She's a wealthy socialite. There was money involved, married to
- 1:55Speaker 2: one of South Carolina's most successful banker.
- 1:58Speaker 10: It's like, frankly, a lot of money.
- 2:00Speaker 2: But where these two lives from opposite ends intersect.
- 2:05Speaker 11: It was live sexual presentation.
- 2:09Speaker 2: Reveals one unbelievably dark and twisted conspiracy.
- 2:13Speaker 3: I cannot stop thinking about how horrific that would be.
- 2:27Speaker 2: Nancy Latham thrived in the well healed circles of Charleston,
- 2:31Speaker 2: South Carolina. Anyone who was anyone in this picturesque town
- 2:35Speaker 2: knew Nancy and her husband, Chris Latham, a top bank
- 2:38Speaker 2: executive with a high six figure salary. But by the
- 2:41Speaker 2: time the couple's two daughters, Emily and Manison, had reached
- 2:44Speaker 2: their teens, the family had drifted apart.
- 2:47Speaker 3: Chris wasn't incredibly involved in our lives at that point
- 2:50Speaker 3: in our lives. My two daughters and myself were sort
- 2:53Speaker 3: of acting as an independent unit.
- 2:56Speaker 2: And then the day that changed everything, one Nancy will
- 3:01Speaker 2: never forget.
- 3:02Speaker 3: It was Madison's spring break week, so Maddie was going
- 3:06Speaker 3: to be in the house every single day all day
- 3:08Speaker 3: that week. I happened to be taking my bath and
- 3:12Speaker 3: Madison answered the door and then ran upstairs and said,
- 3:17Speaker 3: the police are at the door. They both came in,
- 3:20Speaker 3: sat down and said do you know of anyone that
- 3:25Speaker 3: would want.
- 3:26Speaker 4: To hurt you?
- 3:26Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean hurt me? And
- 3:28Speaker 3: they said, would you know of anyone that would want
- 3:30Speaker 3: to kill you?
- 3:32Speaker 2: It began Comps would tell Nancy not long before, when
- 3:35Speaker 2: a man named Aaron Wilkinson was pulled over by police for,
- 3:38Speaker 2: of all things, a simple traffic violation.
- 3:41Speaker 10: You know, it was a typical traffic stop. But once
- 3:43Speaker 10: he was going to maybe write in a ticket, Aaron
- 3:45Speaker 10: started telling him about a plot he knew about, a
- 3:48Speaker 10: murder for hire, and the officer quickly realized he should
- 3:52Speaker 10: search the car, and when the officer found the gun
- 3:54Speaker 10: inside the car, he then arrested Aaron Wilkinson.
- 3:57Speaker 2: And once Wilkinson was in custody, did he have a
- 4:01Speaker 2: story to tell.
- 4:02Speaker 10: What Aaron told the local detectives was that he had
- 4:05Speaker 10: come down from Kentucky on the orders of another individual
- 4:09Speaker 10: to kill a woman, and he said he had paperwork
- 4:12Speaker 10: that showed what he was planning to do.
- 4:14Speaker 2: So then who was this supposed target? That's right, Nancy Latham.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Once investigator started digging into Wilkinson's claims and more specifically
- 4:26Speaker 2: that paperwork, they discovered just how meticulously the hit had
- 4:30Speaker 2: been planned.
- 4:30Speaker 10: Whoever put that together had gone to the extent of
- 4:34Speaker 10: saying exactly where she would be at what time so
- 4:37Speaker 10: she could be killed, And obviously that was a concern
- 4:41Speaker 10: we had, so some of the things Aaron Wilkinson was saying,
- 4:46Speaker 10: we're checking out, and then the next step was really
- 4:49Speaker 10: sort of getting the details about who was involved.
- 4:52Speaker 2: The Feds are brought in and the hitman drops another bombshell.
- 4:56Speaker 2: He claims he's not working alone. His partner in crime
- 4:59Speaker 2: is is this guy Sammy Yannawan And Wilkinson tells the
- 5:03Speaker 2: Feds he's got to check in soon or he'll be
- 5:05Speaker 2: in big trouble. Sammy will suspect something is up.
- 5:12Speaker 12: His farm, but we make that The FEDS set up
- 5:20Speaker 12: an undercover call between Aaron Wilkinson and Sammy Yanawy.
- 5:24Speaker 2: Special agent Joe Boykin is releasing part of it to
- 5:27Speaker 2: Crime Watch Daily. Listen carefully because Fed say it reveals
- 5:30Speaker 2: one of the most chilling aspects of the crime.
- 5:32Speaker 11: This is an undercover phone call made to an individual
- 5:35Speaker 11: known as Sammy.
- 5:41Speaker 7: Can I popple with him in the car?
- 5:46Speaker 2: I want to do his to day? As the call reveals,
- 5:49Speaker 2: the gunmen have been given the green line to take
- 5:51Speaker 2: out anyone who gets in the way of their target
- 5:54Speaker 2: and his authorities were about to learn that included Nancy's
- 5:57Speaker 2: own daughter.
- 5:58Speaker 10: Wilkinson sad, what should I do? Somebody's there if the
- 6:01Speaker 10: kids are there, and Yenowine told him, well, it'll make
- 6:05Speaker 10: it look better, so go ahead and kill them too.
- 6:07Speaker 2: Then Aaron Tell's comps it was Sammy who gave him
- 6:10Speaker 2: that hit packet in the first place.
- 6:12Speaker 9: She came back and he had that minill envelope like
- 6:15Speaker 9: the you know, pretty much all the hierocracticals, and then
- 6:18Speaker 9: it had like a Google map, not satellite ima sure more,
- 6:24Speaker 9: just like a colored map.
- 6:28Speaker 10: There's also a separate word document that talks about the
- 6:32Speaker 10: type of car she drives the people that live with her.
- 6:35Speaker 10: I think what it shows is there were multiple ways
- 6:37Speaker 10: to commit the shooting or the murderer.
- 6:40Speaker 2: During the investigation, authorities also uncover the disturbing details of
- 6:44Speaker 2: how payment for a job well done would break down.
- 6:46Speaker 11: If the hit occurred. They were to received I think
- 6:49Speaker 11: believe I think it was twenty thousand dollars, but if
- 6:52Speaker 11: they made it look like an accident, they would get
- 6:55Speaker 11: more money. Regardless, she had to die, and you know
- 6:58Speaker 11: it was just a you know, a robbery on bad
- 7:00Speaker 11: or a carjacking gone bad. That would be fine.
- 7:04Speaker 2: Now with a plot uncovered and one of the hitmen
- 7:06Speaker 2: still on the streets, the clock was ticking. Feds had
- 7:09Speaker 2: to find Nancy and fast.
- 7:11Speaker 11: We had a victim that we didn't know her whereabouts
- 7:15Speaker 11: that we needed to make sure we could find and
- 7:17Speaker 11: secure she was safe.
- 7:19Speaker 2: And once they found Nancy and her daughter's there was
- 7:21Speaker 2: no time.
- 7:22Speaker 3: To waste and they sailp off and paid to kill you.
- 7:25Speaker 3: And they said pack a bag, and so we packed
- 7:28Speaker 3: a bag. It was like a kick in the.
- 7:30Speaker 2: Stomach up next.
- 7:33Speaker 10: So far we hadn't had anybody with any real motive
- 7:36Speaker 10: to want to have Nancy Latham killed.
- 7:38Speaker 2: The hunt is on to fined Nancy's conspirators, a trail
- 7:42Speaker 2: filled with sex, money, and malon. Nancy Latham's ruld of
- 7:50Speaker 2: Southern comfort is suddenly flipped on its genteel head when
- 7:54Speaker 2: federal agents.
- 7:55Speaker 1: Tell her she's the target of a murder for hire plot.
- 7:58Speaker 2: But that isn't the worst of it. There's proof her
- 8:01Speaker 2: young daughters are in the crosshairs too. They had to
- 8:04Speaker 2: be kept safe.
- 8:05Speaker 10: So far, we hadn't had anybody with any real motive
- 8:08Speaker 10: to want to have Nancy Latham killed. They had to
- 8:10Speaker 10: be given.
- 8:11Speaker 2: Protection, protection from these two hitmen, Aaron Wilkinson and Sammy Yenowan,
- 8:18Speaker 2: a tough guy once accused of murder. They were considered
- 8:21Speaker 2: partners in crime until Wilkinson spills his guts in this
- 8:24Speaker 2: police interrogation.
- 8:26Speaker 10: I could tell, so you know, the concern right then
- 8:31Speaker 10: was how many people were involved and how much danger
- 8:34Speaker 10: was there to the victim.
- 8:35Speaker 2: Nancy and her daughters are rushed to a safehouse, but
- 8:37Speaker 2: this mother of two is on pins and needles.
- 8:41Speaker 3: The best case scenario for me would have been that
- 8:45Speaker 3: they shot me, and that I instantly died. The worst
- 8:51Speaker 3: case scenario would have been that they came to my room,
- 8:56Speaker 3: shot me, woke up Ma Addison, and I wouldn't have
- 9:03Speaker 3: died immediately, and there would have been nothing I could do,
- 9:09Speaker 3: and I would have listened to them killed my daughter,
- 9:13Speaker 3: and I just that's the one thing that I cannot
- 9:19Speaker 3: stop thinking about, is how horrific that would be.
- 9:24Speaker 13: It's never going to be okay.
- 9:28Speaker 2: But who would want Nancy Latham dead and didn't care
- 9:31Speaker 2: if her beautiful daughters got in the way. Cops are
- 9:34Speaker 2: stumped until they asked Nancy herself and she lets them
- 9:38Speaker 2: in on a little secret.
- 9:39Speaker 3: And I said, well, considering I'm divorcing on Monday, I
- 9:43Speaker 3: would have to say Chris Latham.
- 9:46Speaker 2: Chris Latham, the man Nancy had been married to for
- 9:49Speaker 2: twenty four years.
- 9:51Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know of anybody who's ever been
- 9:53Speaker 3: married that didn't have that fleeting thought of, oh I
- 9:56Speaker 3: wish you were dead, but nobody ever acts on it.
- 10:00Speaker 2: But now fed suspect that's exactly what Chris Latham did.
- 10:04Speaker 10: And so we knew from the hit packet she was
- 10:06Speaker 10: the target.
- 10:07Speaker 2: Her picture was there.
- 10:08Speaker 10: So the universe of people that would want to have
- 10:11Speaker 10: her killed is fairly small, and we didn't know the
- 10:13Speaker 10: scope of the danger.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Divorce by death didn't seem to fit Chris's profile a
- 10:19Speaker 2: well respected, well paid bank executive, but Nancy says behind
- 10:23Speaker 2: their picture perfect family was a dark secret.
- 10:26Speaker 3: We got plenty of evidence that he was having multiple
- 10:30Speaker 3: affairs with women with whom he worked, and I file
- 10:34Speaker 3: for a divorce on those grounds, and then, surprise of
- 10:38Speaker 3: all surprises, in I think it was three or four months,
- 10:43Speaker 3: he started saying that I was having an affair and
- 10:46Speaker 3: I was trying to kill him.
- 10:48Speaker 2: One of his affairs was with this woman Wendy Moore,
- 10:52Speaker 2: who copsy was Latham's very personal assistant.
- 10:56Speaker 11: They definitely had something corn on between the two of them,
- 11:00Speaker 11: and they were all, you know, caught up and you know,
- 11:04Speaker 11: passionate about each other.
- 11:06Speaker 2: Chris Latham and Wendy Moore got so closed. Her voice
- 11:09Speaker 2: was actually on his answering machine.
- 11:12Speaker 3: One time, I'd called my husband's voicemail at the office
- 11:15Speaker 3: and there was this woman speaking in a British accent,
- 11:19Speaker 3: and you know, you have reached.
- 11:22Speaker 4: The office of Chris Latham.
- 11:24Speaker 3: You have a British receptionist. And he said Oh no,
- 11:28Speaker 3: that's that's my new assistant, Wendy. I just had her
- 11:33Speaker 3: take a British accent because it sounds more upscale for
- 11:36Speaker 3: my clients.
- 11:40Speaker 2: And as it turns out, that wasn't her only talent.
- 11:43Speaker 2: Wendy Moore had once been an exotic dancer, and there
- 11:46Speaker 2: were even reports she used to live in what amounted
- 11:48Speaker 2: to a sex studio with her ex.
- 11:50Speaker 11: Husband downstairs, where they entertained clients. My understanding was it
- 11:54Speaker 11: was live sexual presentations as well as online sexual entertainment.
- 12:04Speaker 2: But here's the biggest shocker. That ex husband was none
- 12:07Speaker 2: other than Sam Yenowine, one of the hired hit men.
- 12:12Speaker 2: In fact, authorities learned it was Wendy who actually delivered
- 12:15Speaker 2: the hit packet and a lot of cash to the
- 12:18Speaker 2: hotel in Charleston where the triggerman were staying. Unfortunately for
- 12:22Speaker 2: the conspirators, cops tracked them down one by one and
- 12:25Speaker 2: placed Wendy Moore, Sam Yenowine, and Aaron Wilkinson under arrest.
- 12:30Speaker 2: But where was Chris Latham and how involved was he?
- 12:33Speaker 2: His stripper girlfriend wasn't saying a thing.
- 12:35Speaker 11: We really hoped that she would cooperate and testify against Chris,
- 12:39Speaker 11: but again, their relationship, you know, and their fates were intertwined.
- 12:44Speaker 11: Hit package was invaluable, but starting to try to tie
- 12:47Speaker 11: in these other players with direct evidence of their participation
- 12:51Speaker 11: was equally important.
- 12:53Speaker 2: But Fens don't necessarily need her statement. They soon obtained
- 12:57Speaker 2: recordings of jailhause phone calls between the Blonde bombshell and
- 13:00Speaker 2: Chris lath.
- 13:01Speaker 14: Your own arm on every single second, and we will
- 13:06Speaker 14: not give up until you're here with her. Okay, escape
- 13:14Speaker 14: to say, and you know we're doing everything we can
- 13:19Speaker 14: to get you home as quickly as you can. Okay,
- 13:23Speaker 14: thank you.
- 13:23Speaker 2: I love that. At the very least, the recording proved
- 13:30Speaker 2: the two were connected, and while searching through the hit packet,
- 13:33Speaker 2: they find more evidence that seems to incriminate Chris. The
- 13:36Speaker 2: paperwork is traced to his office computer and printer Copsey.
- 13:40Speaker 2: He supplied the torn family photo of Nancy and daughter
- 13:44Speaker 2: medicine and this snapshot of Nancy's car was taken with
- 13:47Speaker 2: his cell phone.
- 13:49Speaker 11: Yes, that's damning evidence. How do you explain that? But
- 13:53Speaker 11: I think they thought that somehow they were going to
- 13:55Speaker 11: beat this, and they were going to beat it together.
- 13:58Speaker 2: Now they just had to bring lead them in. That's
- 14:01Speaker 2: when they turned to his soon to be ex wife.
- 14:04Speaker 3: And they said, well, we can't find him and we
- 14:06Speaker 3: need to find him.
- 14:07Speaker 5: Can you help locate him? I said, give me a
- 14:09Speaker 5: few minutes.
- 14:11Speaker 2: Nancy was betting her ex was squirreled away where they
- 14:14Speaker 2: used to go on family vacations. With a couple of
- 14:16Speaker 2: phone calls to area real estate agents. She hit Peters.
- 14:21Speaker 3: I called the ATF agents, said this is where he is.
- 14:24Speaker 3: They said that's five hours away. How sure are you?
- 14:26Speaker 3: I said, I would bet my life's where he is.
- 14:29Speaker 3: He said okay, so they took off. I got a
- 14:34Speaker 3: call at about nine thirty at night from Joe Boykin
- 14:38Speaker 3: who said we want to let you know that your
- 14:40Speaker 3: husband has been arrested and thank you for helping us
- 14:43Speaker 3: find him. And my husband happened to be in the
- 14:46Speaker 3: car with Joe at that time when he said that.
- 14:49Speaker 3: So I'm sure that kind of got Chris's got.
- 14:52Speaker 2: The banker had treated his three piece suits for prison stripes,
- 14:56Speaker 2: brought down, some say by a pair of heels.
- 14:59Speaker 11: I think when he got tangled up with Wendy Moore,
- 15:01Speaker 11: it was his own undoing. You know, he would have
- 15:03Speaker 11: gone and had an ugly divorce like a lot of
- 15:05Speaker 11: people do, but I think she was probably the instigator
- 15:10Speaker 11: of putting this whole thing in play.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Now, the rogues gallery of conspirators was headed to trial,
- 15:16Speaker 2: but there is yet another shocking twist in the case.
- 15:19Speaker 11: Was a deputy US Marshal saying, Hey, it's sami Enowine.
- 15:24Speaker 11: You're a prisoner, and I said, yeah, he is. He goes, well,
- 15:27Speaker 11: he's dead, And I was like, what do you mean
- 15:29Speaker 11: he's dead? He goes he committed suicide. He hung himself
- 15:32Speaker 11: in the jail, and my job just dropped. I mean,
- 15:35Speaker 11: I couldn't even believe what I was hearing, because we
- 15:37Speaker 11: knew with his interaction with Wendy, we had a real
- 15:41Speaker 11: shot at getting some criminal evidence against Chris.
- 15:45Speaker 2: In a suicide note left to his current girlfriend, y Know,
- 15:48Speaker 2: Wine wrote these words, I'm finally free. Satan is killing
- 15:52Speaker 2: me with memories of us, love you always and forever.
- 15:55Speaker 11: I guess he really didn't want to testify against.
- 15:58Speaker 2: Wendy ultimate Lee. Wendy Moore is found guilty and gets
- 16:02Speaker 2: fifteen years for her role in the murder for Higher plot.
- 16:05Speaker 2: Chris Latham is also convicted and gets ten years in
- 16:09Speaker 2: federal prison, just has served, but what about the daughters
- 16:13Speaker 2: who have to live with the reality of what their
- 16:15Speaker 2: own father has done.
- 16:17Speaker 15: He wanted to take away someone who meant the world
- 16:21Speaker 15: to me, and then it's like he also didn't care
- 16:25Speaker 15: if I got hurt. How can you throw away relationships
- 16:29Speaker 15: with your own children and someone that you've been married
- 16:33Speaker 15: to for twenty plus years.
- 16:38Speaker 2: Nancy is still hard pressed for answers.
- 16:40Speaker 3: I will never, ever, ever forgive Chris Latham for including
- 16:45Speaker 3: my children. I absolutely forgive him for anything that he
- 16:50Speaker 3: wanted to do to me. I will never forgive him
- 16:53Speaker 3: for what he wanted to do to my children, our children.
- 16:57Speaker 2: But there's an unlikely hero in all of this, Aaron Wilkinson,
- 17:01Speaker 2: who got four years. Nancy says she's forever in his debt.
- 17:05Speaker 3: I think that the hit didn't take place because of
- 17:09Speaker 3: Aaron Wilkinson. I think that, at the end of the day,
- 17:14Speaker 3: for whatever reason, he is the person that saved our lives.
- 17:18Speaker 3: I'll be forever grateful to him for that.
- 17:22Speaker 2: From behind bars, Chris continues to maintain he is one
- 17:25Speaker 2: hundred percent innocent, and his family says he still wants
- 17:28Speaker 2: to be a part of both of his daughter's lives,
- 17:31Speaker 2: but that appears to be a bit one sided. At
- 17:33Speaker 2: his sentencing, one of those daughters told the court quote,
- 17:36Speaker 2: a father is supposed to protect his daughters from evil.
- 17:39Speaker 2: I'm disgusted. I have to call this man my father.
- 17:44Speaker 2: Coming up. A demon roaming the streets in this city
- 17:47Speaker 2: of Angels.
- 17:48Speaker 13: Young women are being snatched off of streets in South LA.
- 17:51Speaker 2: Prime Watch Daily follows the trail of terror left behind
- 17:55Speaker 2: by notorious serial killer the Grim Sleeper and the one
- 17:59Speaker 2: woman escaped as clutches.
- 18:01Speaker 8: He's shot you, yes, sexually violating you, yes, driving you
- 18:06Speaker 8: around right, and you're dying.
- 18:09Speaker 16: Yes.
- 18:11Speaker 1: Yes. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy.
- 18:16Speaker 2: They're three of the most infamous serial killers in American history.
- 18:20Speaker 2: And today we have the story of another mass murderer,
- 18:23Speaker 2: one who may have never been discovered if not for
- 18:25Speaker 2: a little bit of luck and a slice of pizza.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Here's Ana Garcia.
- 18:30Speaker 8: Chris Lonnie Franklin Junior was living under the radar, married
- 18:34Speaker 8: with two children, but he also had a secret double life,
- 18:38Speaker 8: one as a ruthless serial killer. A reign of terror
- 18:44Speaker 8: casts an ominous cloud over the city of Angels. A
- 18:50Speaker 8: demon is murdering innocent young women.
- 18:52Speaker 13: Young women are being snatched off of streets in South LA,
- 18:57Speaker 13: young black women.
- 18:59Speaker 8: Suddenly the watering stops and the elusive killer is dubbed
- 19:03Speaker 8: the Grim Sleeper.
- 19:04Speaker 16: There was this span of time where they weren't aware
- 19:06Speaker 16: of any murders.
- 19:07Speaker 5: That's why they were referring to him as the grim Sleeper.
- 19:10Speaker 4: But he wakes with a vengeance.
- 19:13Speaker 13: The corner list had potentially thirty eight bodies.
- 19:18Speaker 8: Police are stumped until the killer makes one critical mistake.
- 19:22Speaker 4: He lets this woman live. We thought you were dead,
- 19:26Speaker 4: he thought I was dead.
- 19:27Speaker 8: It was an ugly era in South Los Angeles. Crack
- 19:31Speaker 8: wars were rampant and crime was at an all time high.
- 19:35Speaker 8: Jill Stewart, former managing editor of LA Weekly, says it
- 19:38Speaker 8: was the perfect time for a serial killer to strike.
- 19:42Speaker 13: I think it allowed serial killers to operate in silence.
- 19:45Speaker 13: You couldn't tell who was killing who. We just called
- 19:48Speaker 13: it random violence.
- 19:50Speaker 8: So when Deborah Jackson was found shot to death and
- 19:53Speaker 8: dumped in this alley, police first assumed it was a
- 19:57Speaker 8: random drug hit until the bodies of more and more
- 20:01Speaker 8: young women started to pile up.
- 20:03Speaker 17: What was he doing?
- 20:04Speaker 5: He was hunting for women.
- 20:06Speaker 8: Thirty five year old Henrietta Wright and twenty three year
- 20:09Speaker 8: old Barbara Ware are found shot dead. They're partially clothed
- 20:14Speaker 8: bodies left in dark alleys.
- 20:17Speaker 7: Yeah to border a murder or a dead body.
- 20:20Speaker 8: Police received this anonymous nine to one one call from
- 20:24Speaker 8: someone saying he witnessed a man dumping Barbara's body. Police
- 20:30Speaker 8: actually suspect the caller may be Barbara's real killer, but
- 20:35Speaker 8: have no proof. Three dead women, all shot and dumped
- 20:43Speaker 8: in nearby alleys. LAPD homicide Detective Darren Dupree says it
- 20:47Speaker 8: may have been the first sign a serial killer was
- 20:51Speaker 8: on the prowl in South LA.
- 20:54Speaker 18: They were checking vehicles, cars, people, so many people were questions.
- 21:00Speaker 18: There was people who they thought possibly could have been
- 21:02Speaker 18: a suspect.
- 21:03Speaker 8: And then Bernita Sparks turns up dead, but where she
- 21:07Speaker 8: is found raises questions about the serial killer theory.
- 21:12Speaker 16: She was found inside of a trash dumpster and almost
- 21:14Speaker 16: all of these victims were found in alleyways.
- 21:17Speaker 4: For these two separate cases.
- 21:18Speaker 18: There were several serial killers growing around south central LA
- 21:22Speaker 18: when the crack epidemic hit. It was a hard time
- 21:26Speaker 18: deciphering who killed each one.
- 21:29Speaker 8: Was this the evil work of two different killers? Cops
- 21:33Speaker 8: are stumped when Mary Low turns up dead in another alley.
- 21:38Speaker 16: A lot of them were covered with trash from the alleyways,
- 21:42Speaker 16: whether it be an old mattress or in one case,
- 21:45Speaker 16: car engine.
- 21:46Speaker 8: This time cops catch a much needed break. A witness
- 21:50Speaker 8: tells police he saw Mary getting into a souped up
- 21:54Speaker 8: Orange Ford Pinto with an unknown man.
- 21:57Speaker 13: They even did DMV studies of every Orange Pinto in
- 22:02Speaker 13: the entire southern California area, but before.
- 22:05Speaker 8: They can locate the car, they find another half naked
- 22:09Speaker 8: body in an alley. Twenty two year old Lucretia Jefferson.
- 22:13Speaker 8: He never really went outside that comfort zone.
- 22:16Speaker 18: He knew the alleyways, he knew the people, he knew everything.
- 22:20Speaker 19: I think each each time woman was murdered and it
- 22:24Speaker 19: would be reported in the news, and he was probably
- 22:28Speaker 19: waiting and say, hey, they haven't caught me yet.
- 22:32Speaker 8: The killer had a definite mo but detectives also noticed
- 22:36Speaker 8: a pattern with his victims.
- 22:38Speaker 4: Most of them had cocaine in their bodies.
- 22:41Speaker 8: Police suspected the killer was luring the women into his
- 22:44Speaker 8: car with the promise of drugs, but instead giving them
- 22:48Speaker 8: a bullet.
- 22:49Speaker 18: I think when someone got feisty with him, or they
- 22:52Speaker 18: had a you know, an attitude with him. Those are
- 22:54Speaker 18: the ones he chose to kill.
- 22:56Speaker 8: Porter Alexander Junior says his eighteen year old daughter, Meek
- 23:00Speaker 8: Alexander was always spunky and had recently taken up with
- 23:04Speaker 8: the wrong crowd. She was exactly the type of young
- 23:08Speaker 8: woman the killer was targeting.
- 23:10Speaker 20: He said, I want to go to the store. I
- 23:13Speaker 20: said okay. I said, please go. When you go, come
- 23:16Speaker 20: back home, will you please? She said okay, Dan, And so.
- 23:24Speaker 17: I fell.
- 23:25Speaker 18: I lay on back and I.
- 23:28Speaker 20: Fell off to sleep.
- 23:29Speaker 4: Porter woke up to a nightmare.
- 23:32Speaker 8: Two weeks after Monique disappeared, her body was found dumped
- 23:35Speaker 8: in this alley, just ten minutes from her family's home.
- 23:39Speaker 5: You didn't know at that time that your daughter was
- 23:42Speaker 5: the victim of a serial killer. You didn't even know
- 23:44Speaker 5: that there was a serial killer. I did not.
- 23:48Speaker 8: The LAPD starts to piece together a blueprint linking seven
- 23:52Speaker 8: of the murders. All are shot by a small twenty
- 23:56Speaker 8: five caliber handgun.
- 23:58Speaker 16: All of these murder victims were all shot from left
- 24:01Speaker 16: to right, front to back, with in a downward direction,
- 24:05Speaker 16: so that was consistent with being seated in the right
- 24:08Speaker 16: front passenger seat of a vehicle and the driver turning
- 24:11Speaker 16: towards you and shooting you.
- 24:14Speaker 8: But the key would be in the DNA. It was
- 24:17Speaker 8: all swabbed off the victim's breasts and it all matched.
- 24:21Speaker 5: Low in the hul We wound up with the same
- 24:23Speaker 5: DNA profile.
- 24:24Speaker 8: However, at the time, DNA was not an advanced crime
- 24:28Speaker 8: fighting tool. There was no database and no way to
- 24:32Speaker 8: identify the killer.
- 24:33Speaker 13: He was still a needle in a haystack.
- 24:36Speaker 8: But instead of warning the public and women of South La,
- 24:40Speaker 8: Jill Stewart says, the LAPD made a highly controversial decision.
- 24:45Speaker 4: To keep the serial killer theory a secret.
- 24:48Speaker 13: They were trying to figure out who he was. They
- 24:50Speaker 13: didn't want to spook him, send him out of state,
- 24:52Speaker 13: for example. But that has a twoage sword.
- 24:55Speaker 4: If you don't let him know that you're on to him, right,
- 24:57Speaker 4: he can kill freely.
- 24:59Speaker 13: Yes, he just thinks he's free to go ahead and
- 25:01Speaker 13: keep doing what his evil son of a bitch has
- 25:03Speaker 13: been doing all this time.
- 25:06Speaker 4: And that's exactly what he did.
- 25:08Speaker 8: The serial monster was soon back in business and on
- 25:11Speaker 8: the prowl for his eighth victim.
- 25:13Speaker 4: But when he found Denitrio, Washington, his number was up.
- 25:18Speaker 8: He's shot you, Yes, he is sexually violating you? Yes,
- 25:24Speaker 8: driving you around right and you're dying?
- 25:27Speaker 16: Yes?
- 25:29Speaker 5: And he didn't let to save me.
- 25:31Speaker 4: Coming up, what happened inside the killer's car?
- 25:34Speaker 2: How could you kiss me?
- 25:35Speaker 7: Add thisten?
- 25:36Speaker 2: I'd bleeding?
- 25:37Speaker 4: And the police interrogation of the grim Sleeper.
- 25:43Speaker 2: We're back with more on our investigation into the Grim Sleeper,
- 25:47Speaker 2: a convicted serial killer who prayed on victims in Los
- 25:50Speaker 2: Angeles for years. Anna Garcia is here now with more
- 25:54Speaker 2: on his trail of horror.
- 25:55Speaker 1: Chris.
- 25:56Speaker 8: What makes this case so scary is that this madman
- 25:59Speaker 8: took a break from kill, and had it not been
- 26:01Speaker 8: for a lucky break, he might still be walking the
- 26:04Speaker 8: streets of Los Angeles. Few people can say they've survived
- 26:10Speaker 8: the wrath of a serial killer.
- 26:13Speaker 4: Any Tria Washington is one of them. You're the only
- 26:17Speaker 4: one who survived.
- 26:18Speaker 5: This serial killer was a survivor that we only know of.
- 26:23Speaker 8: When Antria, a home healthcare provider, accepted a ride from
- 26:26Speaker 8: a friendly man driving an Orange Pinto, she had no
- 26:30Speaker 8: idea she was getting into the car with a notorious
- 26:34Speaker 8: grim Sleeper.
- 26:35Speaker 4: Where were you headed that night?
- 26:37Speaker 2: I was going to a party and he said, well,
- 26:39Speaker 2: can I go?
- 26:40Speaker 8: The man behind the wheel, had already savagely killed seven women,
- 26:45Speaker 8: and Anytria was supposed to be number eight.
- 26:48Speaker 4: And you didn't get a weird vibe from well, your
- 26:52Speaker 4: gut said, don't get it, don't get in a car,
- 26:54Speaker 4: and I did it.
- 26:55Speaker 8: Anyway, what happens inside that car, she says, plays out
- 26:59Speaker 8: like a real life horror movie.
- 27:02Speaker 18: Everything just got really quiet, I mean eery quiet.
- 27:07Speaker 5: And I'm going.
- 27:10Speaker 8: The madman shot any Tria point blank in the chest
- 27:14Speaker 8: and then began to savagely rape her.
- 27:16Speaker 4: He's shot you.
- 27:18Speaker 18: Yes, he is.
- 27:21Speaker 8: Sexually violating you, Yes, driving you around right, and you're dying.
- 27:26Speaker 2: I'm going, how could you kiss me and do all this?
- 27:29Speaker 2: And I'm bleeding?
- 27:30Speaker 8: After hours of torture, Andy Tria makes a life or
- 27:33Speaker 8: death decision.
- 27:34Speaker 4: She grabs for the door handle. He probably thought you
- 27:38Speaker 4: were never gonna make it. He probably thought you were dead.
- 27:40Speaker 18: I believe that he thought the same thing that I
- 27:43Speaker 18: probably could run over and just lay there in the
- 27:45Speaker 18: street anyway, But.
- 27:46Speaker 4: Any Tria was a fighter.
- 27:48Speaker 8: Doctors are able to retrieve a small twenty five caliber
- 27:52Speaker 8: bullet from her chest. Ballistics reveals it's a match the
- 27:56Speaker 8: same gun was used on.
- 27:58Speaker 4: The Grim sleepers, seven other victims.
- 28:00Speaker 13: This is the same guy, same gun, Samemo.
- 28:03Speaker 4: She changed everything for the LAPD.
- 28:06Speaker 13: Really the fact that she had the bullet in her chest.
- 28:09Speaker 8: Cops finally had someone who could put a face on
- 28:12Speaker 8: the killer. Anitria helps a police artist with this sketch.
- 28:16Speaker 8: She also tells detectives about a bright light inside the car,
- 28:20Speaker 8: possibly the flash from a camera.
- 28:23Speaker 19: I remember, is that flashbit in front of my face?
- 28:26Speaker 18: Fighting Lehi.
- 28:27Speaker 16: She set out the blueprint for what happened to all
- 28:30Speaker 16: these victims couldn't speak because they were.
- 28:31Speaker 4: Dead, same caliber, bullet, same DNA. Still, the LAPD kept
- 28:38Speaker 4: the serial killer theory a secret.
- 28:40Speaker 13: This was a live acting killer that the girls in
- 28:45Speaker 13: South LA didn't know about.
- 28:47Speaker 8: Then the killings stop and the killer goes eerily quiet.
- 28:53Speaker 8: The LA Weekly dubs him the grim Sleeper, and cops
- 28:56Speaker 8: are on pins and needles.
- 28:58Speaker 4: They know this isn't over.
- 29:00Speaker 13: He was the longest running serial killer in the United
- 29:02Speaker 13: States west of the Mississippi. E've been operating longer than
- 29:05Speaker 13: anyone else that was known. And he stopped for thirteen years,
- 29:09Speaker 13: or it looked.
- 29:09Speaker 10: Like he did.
- 29:10Speaker 4: Then suddenly he wakes.
- 29:12Speaker 8: His thirst for blood rekindled with Princess Bartholomew, a fifteen
- 29:17Speaker 8: year old runaway, and Valerie McCorvey both are found not shocked,
- 29:22Speaker 8: but strangled to death.
- 29:24Speaker 5: Then he kind of changed it up a little bit, but.
- 29:26Speaker 4: It wasn't long until he went back to his primal instinct.
- 29:31Speaker 8: Geniesia Peters, a mother of a four year old, is
- 29:34Speaker 8: found shot with a small caliber handgun, but this time
- 29:38Speaker 8: he stuffed her body in a garbage.
- 29:40Speaker 16: Bag, and the DNA that linked the defendant in this
- 29:43Speaker 16: case to her murder came from the zip tie that
- 29:46Speaker 16: sealed that bag.
- 29:48Speaker 8: By now, DNA was a common crime solving tool, but
- 29:51Speaker 8: LAPD Detective Darren Dupree says the Grim Sleeper's DNA wasn't
- 29:56Speaker 8: in any of their databases.
- 29:58Speaker 18: Sometimes you get a murder and you just can't saw
- 30:00Speaker 18: You give everything you got, and you just can't solve it.
- 30:03Speaker 8: But there was a possible solution, a groundbreaking DNA test
- 30:07Speaker 8: that could link the killer's DNA to any family member
- 30:11Speaker 8: found in the database.
- 30:13Speaker 13: And one person in prison lit up like a Christmas
- 30:17Speaker 13: tree turned out to be the Grim Sleeper's son.
- 30:21Speaker 8: Chris Franklin, had just gotten out of jail and was
- 30:24Speaker 8: living in a mint green home in South LA with
- 30:27Speaker 8: his mother and father. Lonnie Franklin Junior, who wouldn't you know,
- 30:32Speaker 8: was a retired garbage man for the city.
- 30:34Speaker 4: And how did people in the neighborhood think of him?
- 30:37Speaker 8: They love them and you would describe Lonnie Franklin Junior as,
- 30:42Speaker 8: you know, a.
- 30:42Speaker 13: Fun guy who was LA's most famous serial killer.
- 30:47Speaker 8: Police believed they had their man, but they had to
- 30:50Speaker 8: prove it, so they came up with this elaborate undercover
- 30:53Speaker 8: sting where they had to pose as workers in a pizzeria.
- 30:57Speaker 8: She wanted the DNA sample in the conformation rather than
- 31:01Speaker 8: going directly to him and saying, give me a DNA sample.
- 31:03Speaker 18: Correct.
- 31:04Speaker 8: This surveillance video obtained by Crime Watch Daily shows Lonnie
- 31:08Speaker 8: Franklin Junior inside a local pizza restaurant.
- 31:11Speaker 4: That's him right there.
- 31:13Speaker 16: One of the undercover officers acted as his busboy at
- 31:17Speaker 16: this pizza party, and.
- 31:18Speaker 5: I was able to collect multiple samples from Lonnie Franklin.
- 31:21Speaker 19: But they were able to develop beautiful, complete DNA profiles
- 31:28Speaker 19: from the piece of pizza.
- 31:31Speaker 8: The LAPD then assembled a special grim Sleeper Task Force
- 31:34Speaker 8: to arrest Lonnie Franklin Junior at home for the murders
- 31:38Speaker 8: of ten women and the attempted murder of Anetrio, Washington.
- 31:42Speaker 4: What they found was a house of horrors and the.
- 31:45Speaker 16: House and especially the garage area, it was like packrack conditions.
- 31:51Speaker 8: Cops uncover one of the most gruesome trophy rooms of
- 31:54Speaker 8: any killer ever.
- 31:55Speaker 4: Caught a treasure trove of.
- 31:58Speaker 8: Guns, morbid momento photos of women, some presumably dead, and
- 32:03Speaker 8: pornographic home videos of Lonnie Franklin Junior with more than
- 32:08Speaker 8: one hundred and sixty women.
- 32:09Speaker 18: Mister Franklin would take a professional pornographic video and he
- 32:14Speaker 18: would splice in there something that he's doing with the
- 32:17Speaker 18: female sexually, and then you go back to the actual
- 32:20Speaker 18: pornographic video.
- 32:22Speaker 8: But the key piece of evidence was a polaroid picture
- 32:25Speaker 8: found buried between two pieces of plywood.
- 32:28Speaker 4: Detectives actually found those photo the photo of me, so
- 32:33Speaker 4: we know it's actually him.
- 32:36Speaker 8: And it supported what she had told the policeac that
- 32:38Speaker 8: he had photographed her with polaroid.
- 32:40Speaker 7: Exactly sitting here having a chat with the grim Sleeper.
- 32:45Speaker 8: In this interrogation of Lonnie Franklin Junior, Cops confront the
- 32:49Speaker 8: grim Sleeper with that picture and a photo of every
- 32:53Speaker 8: single woman he's accused of killing.
- 32:55Speaker 6: You have a major problem today. You creep out, pick
- 33:00Speaker 6: up these young ladies, you have sex with them, you
- 33:03Speaker 6: kill them, and then you dump their bodies and alleys
- 33:06Speaker 6: throughout the city of Los Angeles.
- 33:08Speaker 7: I don't know these people totally.
- 33:10Speaker 6: Mister Lonnie Franklin has the e NA makeup that's found
- 33:14Speaker 6: on those young ladies right there. Of how in God's
- 33:17Speaker 6: name is that possible?
- 33:19Speaker 7: I don't know.
- 33:20Speaker 4: Just listen to his defense.
- 33:22Speaker 8: Franklin has the nerve to tell police these women are
- 33:26Speaker 8: too ugly for his taste.
- 33:28Speaker 7: Go ahead, take the close look. No, no recollection at hope,
- 33:38Speaker 7: no recollection. You just don't I don't know. I don't know.
- 33:42Speaker 7: I don't know what, but I do know.
- 33:47Speaker 8: After decades of terror, the families of the victims finally get.
- 33:51Speaker 4: Their day in a Los Angeles courtroom.
- 33:54Speaker 16: The theory of the defense is basically equivalent to the
- 33:58Speaker 16: skies opening up a spaceship, descending and murdering.
- 34:03Speaker 4: All these women.
- 34:05Speaker 8: Lonnie Franklin Junior, the Grim Sleeper, was convicted of murdering
- 34:09Speaker 8: nine women and one teenager and the attempted murder of
- 34:13Speaker 8: Anetria Washington. But the Deputy DA wonders how many more
- 34:17Speaker 8: of the Grim Sleeper's victims are out there. He was
- 34:21Speaker 8: sentenced to the death penalty exactly thirty one years to
- 34:25Speaker 8: the day of his first victim, Deborah Jackson.
- 34:28Speaker 4: What do you want to see happened to him?
- 34:30Speaker 5: He should be put to death. I mean, how many
- 34:32Speaker 5: women do you have to kill? How many girls do
- 34:35Speaker 5: you have to murder?
- 34:35Speaker 16: How many people's lives do you get to destroy before
- 34:39Speaker 16: you pay the ultimate price?
- 34:41Speaker 8: Any Trio Washington is now hoping people will forget about
- 34:45Speaker 8: the Grim Sleeper and instead remember all those victims who
- 34:49Speaker 8: didn't get away.
- 34:50Speaker 7: I pray this is peace for them. That's really the ultimate.
- 34:57Speaker 8: It sounds to me like you're almost angrier with him
- 35:00Speaker 8: for what he did to them than.
- 35:02Speaker 3: What he did to you.
- 35:03Speaker 18: Because I'm still here, my piavide grace, I'm still here.
- 35:08Speaker 5: They're not.
- 35:11Speaker 2: As for the thirty women still unidentified, Deputy da Beth
- 35:14Speaker 2: Silverman says they may never know where they ended up.
- 35:18Speaker 2: One theory is that Lonnie Franklin Junior dumped some of
- 35:20Speaker 2: the missing women in the landfills around Los Angeles when
- 35:24Speaker 2: he was working as a garbage man. Up next, Murder
- 35:29Speaker 2: and Mayhem has made his career. Now we go inside
- 35:32Speaker 2: the criminal mind of best selling crime writer Harlan Coben.
- 35:36Speaker 17: Every time I finish the book, the same little voice
- 35:38Speaker 17: comes in my head and says, that's it, You're done.
- 35:41Speaker 1: The new novel that has caught the intention of an Oscar.
- 35:44Speaker 17: Winner, They said, Julie Roberts wants to talk to you
- 35:46Speaker 17: on the phone. Coming up.
- 35:51Speaker 2: Today, We've got a new member of our team, the
- 35:53Speaker 2: best selling author of the book Ghosts of Manhattan, Doug Brynt.
- 35:56Speaker 2: And for his first story, he's sitting down with a
- 35:58Speaker 2: crime writer who readers and stars like Julia Roberts can't
- 36:02Speaker 2: get enough of.
- 36:03Speaker 21: He's published seventy million books in forty three languages. New
- 36:07Speaker 21: York Times number one best selling author Harlan Coben.
- 36:11Speaker 2: Murder, mayhem and mystery. It's all in a day's work
- 36:15Speaker 2: for novelist Harlan Coben.
- 36:16Speaker 17: I've done forty eight hours straight writing. You have to
- 36:19Speaker 17: do it. That's the key. You can't wait for the
- 36:22Speaker 17: mood to arrive.
- 36:23Speaker 2: Harlan is behind the murders of more than two dozen people,
- 36:26Speaker 2: all fictional. Of course, his characters often die horrible deaths,
- 36:30Speaker 2: such as fatal accidents. Harlan says, my Creditor series actually
- 36:34Speaker 2: inspired his bestseller Caught. It's all about a crusading TV
- 36:38Speaker 2: reporter who helps solve a murder after she catches a
- 36:40Speaker 2: predator in the act. Today, Harlan's latest novel, Home is
- 36:44Speaker 2: in bookstores, starring his hero Myron Bollatar.
- 36:48Speaker 21: Your character, Myron Bolatar is based here in New York City,
- 36:51Speaker 21: where you live. How does this city inspire you?
- 36:53Speaker 17: The greatest city in the world. Let's face it, there's
- 36:55Speaker 17: always something going on, there's always a heartbeat to it.
- 36:59Speaker 17: You're always with other people, and yet you can always
- 37:01Speaker 17: be alone.
- 37:02Speaker 2: Harland grew up in Livingston, New Jersey, in the same
- 37:05Speaker 2: neighborhood as a real life Tony Soprano.
- 37:08Speaker 21: You had some colorful and possibly criminal neighbors as a kid.
- 37:12Speaker 17: That there was a house that had two lionheads in
- 37:15Speaker 17: front of it in the gate, and then if you
- 37:17Speaker 17: stepped on a property, you were shot. And it was
- 37:19Speaker 17: owned by a mobster named Richie the Boot, and there
- 37:22Speaker 17: was a furnace in the back and he burned bodies.
- 37:26Speaker 2: Richie the Boot, Now that's a name for a mob boss.
- 37:29Speaker 2: He reportedly got the moniker when he was a bootlegger
- 37:32Speaker 2: during prohibsion.
- 37:33Speaker 17: Some people claim they based both the Godfather and the
- 37:35Speaker 17: Sopranos on him, but we get a lot of that
- 37:38Speaker 17: growing up in my time.
- 37:40Speaker 7: I just didn't just didn't realize it.
- 37:41Speaker 2: Well, the mobster down the street was infamous. Some of
- 37:44Speaker 2: Harlan's homeboys are famous in their own right. New Jersey
- 37:48Speaker 2: Governor Chris Christie was his childhood buddy, and Da Vinci
- 37:51Speaker 2: Code author Dan Brown was a fraternity brother in college.
- 37:54Speaker 2: But he says he doesn't base any of his characters
- 37:57Speaker 2: on his friends. He just makes them all up.
- 38:00Speaker 21: Work directly with law enforcement or visit crime scenes as
- 38:03Speaker 21: part of your research for the books.
- 38:04Speaker 17: Almost never. I've never done the ride along. First of all,
- 38:08Speaker 17: I'm a big fan of not doing so much research.
- 38:10Speaker 17: When you're writing modern fiction. Sometimes you use that as
- 38:15Speaker 17: an excuse not to write.
- 38:16Speaker 2: Harland created a popular TV crime drama in Britain called
- 38:19Speaker 2: The Five, and also produced a six part series for
- 38:22Speaker 2: French television. Now Hollywood has discovered what millions of fans
- 38:27Speaker 2: already know. His novel, Fool Me Once, is in development
- 38:30Speaker 2: with Oscar winner Julia Roberts producing and starring. How's that
- 38:34Speaker 2: process been, It's been great?
- 38:35Speaker 17: You know about a few days after the book came out,
- 38:38Speaker 17: I got a call from my agents telling me that
- 38:40Speaker 17: Julie Roberts is reading it. Literally, like an hour later,
- 38:43Speaker 17: they said, Julie Roberts wants to talk to you on
- 38:45Speaker 17: the phone. And she was so insightful and so knowledgeable
- 38:49Speaker 17: and had angles on the story that I hadn't really
- 38:52Speaker 17: even quite and in the character that I hadn't really
- 38:55Speaker 17: thought about.
- 38:56Speaker 2: And will this twenty first century Hitchcock do a cameo
- 38:59Speaker 2: like The Master?
- 39:00Speaker 21: Can we expect a cameo?
- 39:01Speaker 17: Yeah, I'll definitely play a cameo. I won't do nude
- 39:03Speaker 17: scenes unless a masked then I'll do them right away.