Latest / Chip Ingram Sermon Podcast / Everyone Acts in a Way that Makes Sense to Them
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- 0:11Today on Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram.
- 0:14What do you do when your boss or friend or spouse
- 0:17or one of your kids says or does something that
- 0:22doesn't make any sense? I mean, it makes you
- 0:24crazy. You get angry. You find yourself waking
- 0:27up in the middle of the night and you say to
- 0:29yourself, why did they do that? Why did they
- 0:32say that? Today, we're going to learn one simple
- 0:35principle that can change all that. Stay with
- 0:38me. I'm Dave Drewy, and this is Living on the
- 0:42Edge. Today, Chip Ingram continues his series,
- 0:44Caring Enough to Connect, building bridges to
- 0:47those we love with two personal stories from
- 0:50Chip's own life. One from the early months of
- 0:53his marriage and one from a painful misunderstanding
- 0:55with a fellow ministry leader, both showing how
- 0:58a single shift in perspective can completely
- 1:01change your most difficult relationships. If
- 1:04someone in your life has ever left you shaking
- 1:06your head, today's message may change how you
- 1:09see them. Here's Chip Ingram with today's message
- 1:12titled, Everyone Acts in a Way That Makes Sense
- 1:14to Them. I'm talking about basically life lessons
- 1:19in terms of building a great family and just
- 1:22great friendships. Principles that have to do
- 1:24with marriage, parenting, friendships, your boss.
- 1:28And so let me do a quick review. Principle number
- 1:30one, the biggest lesson I learned was it all
- 1:33begins with God. I come from a family background.
- 1:36There's a multi -billion dollar self -help industry.
- 1:39There's TV shows. There's books. There's movies
- 1:41that all tell you this is how to do relationships.
- 1:44My biggest lesson is God created relationships.
- 1:49And his word gives direction on how to have great
- 1:53ones by his intent. And so the passage was Proverbs
- 1:579, 10. It says, the fear of the Lord is the beginning
- 2:00of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One is
- 2:02understanding. Saying, God, the wisdom, the skill
- 2:06to do relationships, you have it. And then the
- 2:09practice was make God's word your handbook for
- 2:11relational guidelines. In other words, if God
- 2:14says, look, this is how to do marriage, do it
- 2:17his way. If he says this is how to raise your
- 2:19kids, do it his way. If he says this is how to
- 2:21respond to your parents, do it his way. If he
- 2:23says, look, here's how you do business relationships,
- 2:25friendships, do it his way. The second principle
- 2:28was that every, recognize that everyone is desperately
- 2:32insecure. We looked at the very beginning of
- 2:35time and Adam and Eve and that once sin entered
- 2:38the world, we're all, varying degrees, we're
- 2:41just desperately insecure people. That since
- 2:44that time, we're fear -based. And because we're
- 2:47afraid of what other people will think about
- 2:49us, we hide. And so we pretend. And we image
- 2:54cast. And we perform. And we manipulate. And
- 2:58we so fear rejection. It's in all of us. That
- 3:03we want to figure out what other people will
- 3:05like and accept. And then we project that. Or
- 3:07we perform for that. Or we'll look that way.
- 3:09Or maybe if I'm good in music or athletics or
- 3:12art. Or if I can make a lot of money. Or if I
- 3:13can live over here. Or if I can drive this. All
- 3:16these things. And we create these relational
- 3:19holograms. that are, you know, three feet away
- 3:22from who we really are so that people will like
- 3:24us. Unfortunately, even if they like the hologram,
- 3:28it doesn't touch the depth of our heart. And
- 3:31so we said the passage was Genesis chapter 3,
- 3:34and then our practice was take off your mask.
- 3:37Authenticity builds genuine relational intimacy,
- 3:39and hypocrisy destroys it. That great truth that
- 3:44people are not looking for perfect people. But
- 3:47people like you and me are really looking for
- 3:49authentic, real people. Principle number three
- 3:52is everyone behaves in a way that makes sense
- 3:55to them. Everyone you meet, every behavior you
- 3:59encounter, whether it's from your dad, your mom,
- 4:01your mate, your friend, your boss, an employee,
- 4:04everyone behaves in a way that makes sense to
- 4:08them. When people act in immature, inappropriate,
- 4:12or even have patterns that appear absolutely
- 4:17dysfunctional and damaging. They're doing it
- 4:20for reasons that at least inside their head and
- 4:22from their experience, it makes sense. I mean,
- 4:25most people don't say to themselves, I know what
- 4:28I could do that would just wreck my marriage.
- 4:30I think I'll do this and really alienate everyone
- 4:33that I know. That is not how people think. Now,
- 4:36they act in ways that do that, don't we? But
- 4:40they think in ways that actually make sense.
- 4:45To them. Everyone behaves. And you say, well,
- 4:48that seems kind of simple. I got to tell you,
- 4:50when you get your arms around that, it'll revolutionize
- 4:54how you interpret what happens. Because sometimes
- 4:57it's not even wrong. Sometimes people are very,
- 5:01very different. And so they respond in ways that
- 5:03make sense to them that are completely foreign
- 5:06to you, but it causes conflict. Let me give you
- 5:09my... First example where I begin to learn about
- 5:13this. Teresa and I come from very different families.
- 5:17I came from a family of school teachers that
- 5:20really believed in education and thought that
- 5:23the way you learn is around the supper table.
- 5:26And so we would eat dinner and then literally
- 5:28push the plates to the middle. You couldn't even
- 5:30clean them up. And then this is why I like coffee.
- 5:33I think my parents would get a cup of coffee.
- 5:35I didn't like milk. But if I would drink half
- 5:38my milk, they would put a little coffee in it
- 5:40and a little sugar. Seriously, from about four
- 5:43years old on. And we would talk for 45 minutes
- 5:46around the table. And that question like, so
- 5:49what did you learn in school today? If you went
- 5:51all nothing, that was like, that does not work
- 5:53in this family. And so what I learned is a dynamic
- 5:56occurred in our family that the way to even be
- 5:59heard is you have to interrupt somebody. So my
- 6:02family, when you talk, you have to track because
- 6:03they interrupt. And everyone's talking all the
- 6:05time. Well, Teresa came from a family that was
- 6:08just the opposite. And people were very polite
- 6:10and very cordial, but not overly communicative.
- 6:14Not good, not bad. Neither of us right, neither
- 6:16of us wrong. But it must have been about two,
- 6:19maybe three months after we're married. And we're
- 6:21going to drive up, I think, and visit her sister.
- 6:23It's a two and a half hour drive or so. And we
- 6:25have a little conversation in the car. And it's
- 6:27these beautiful winding roads. And there's lots
- 6:29of trees and a blue sky and puffy clouds, all
- 6:32of which I didn't notice at the time. And so
- 6:35we talk a little bit, and I notice that I'm way
- 6:38more talkative in this new marriage relationship
- 6:40than my wife. And so, like men do, we count things,
- 6:44probably not very wisely at times. So I decide
- 6:47that I'm going to run an experiment, and I'm
- 6:49not going to say anything and see how long it
- 6:52takes her to initiate the conversation and talk
- 6:55to me. Now, you've got to remember, all of us
- 6:58are desperately insecure. my experience tells
- 7:01me and my family, if you don't talk to me, you're
- 7:04rejecting me. Because that's how I grew up, but
- 7:07that's the way we punished each other. I mean,
- 7:08when you're fighting for airtime, the way you
- 7:11tell someone that, boy, I don't like you is you
- 7:14don't talk. So we drive, and I'm going to run
- 7:17this experiment. Ten minutes goes by. Kind of
- 7:21looks over and smiles at the car. We keep going.
- 7:23Looking out the window, who knows what's out
- 7:25there. Twenty minutes goes by. Now I'm starting
- 7:28to go. We're married like three months. Is this
- 7:32how you, you know, what's the deal? And 30 minutes
- 7:36goes by, 32 minutes goes by, 35 minutes, 37 .5,
- 7:40and I'm just going, what is, man, what is going
- 7:43on here? I thought we had a good marriage. I
- 7:44thought I married the right person. What's going
- 7:45on? She won't even talk to me. I mean, we must
- 7:48have a big problem. I mean, I'm, you know, in
- 7:50my mind, it's building and building and building.
- 7:52We hit the 45 -minute mark, and I decide that's
- 7:54it. And so she's looking out the window. seems
- 7:58to actually be enjoying things, at times looks
- 8:00over at me and smiles, which is ridiculous. 45
- 8:02minutes you haven't talked to me. Then I turn
- 8:04to her, what's wrong with you anyway? I can't
- 8:07believe you. 45 minutes we've been in this car,
- 8:10you haven't said a word. And I mean, I attacked
- 8:13her. And after, you know, we realized we had
- 8:19little differences and I got clothed in my right
- 8:21mind emotionally and mentally and we worked it
- 8:24all out. everyone behaves in a way that makes
- 8:28sense to them. When Teresa's family drove in
- 8:31the car, people didn't talk a lot. My wife loves
- 8:34nature. My wife was sitting there, actually revealed
- 8:38she had good thoughts about me. And she was seeing
- 8:45how beautiful nature was and looked at me and
- 8:48said, oh yeah, I was having a wonderful time.
- 8:50I thought, how wonderful it is that... to be
- 8:52in the same car, enjoy all this beauty, to be
- 8:55newly married, and know that even without words,
- 8:57we can be close. All right? I'm thinking, without
- 9:03words, this marriage is on the rocks, and we've
- 9:06only been here two months, you know? Do you understand
- 9:10the difference? If you understand people behave
- 9:15in a way that makes sense to her. If you don't
- 9:19understand that, you'll assume that they behave
- 9:22in a way that should make sense to you. And when
- 9:27you place that demand on people, because a lot
- 9:29of times that wasn't moral. Her family wasn't
- 9:32right and my wrong or vice versa. But it produced
- 9:36tremendous conflict. Proverbs 14, 12 says, there
- 9:40is a way which seems right to a man. First part
- 9:44of that, there is a way that seems right to a
- 9:46person. There's a way that seems right to a man.
- 9:48There's a way to talk. There's a way to do business.
- 9:50There's a way to parent. There's a way to respond
- 9:52to parents. There's a way to spend money. There's
- 9:54a way to prioritize. There is a way that seems
- 9:56right to a person. All of us have in our mind,
- 9:59there's a way that seems right to us. But it
- 10:02says, if it isn't in alignment with God's wisdom,
- 10:05it says what? But the end thereof is the way
- 10:09of death. If you begin to understand, even when
- 10:14people blow up, even when people say things after
- 10:17a long time in a relationship, even when a kid
- 10:19slams the door, it doesn't mean you condone the
- 10:22behavior. But if you assume that it doesn't make
- 10:26sense to them, then you'll usually attack the
- 10:29wrong issue and the relationship will further
- 10:31deteriorate. I'll give you another quick example.
- 10:35I had an experience just in the last couple months.
- 10:39And there was a Christian organization. We'd
- 10:41built a good relationship, and they said, you
- 10:43know, we have this ministry to churches and people
- 10:45around the world, and we heard a series, and
- 10:48we think you have a couple messages that would
- 10:50really help them. I said, well, great. We've
- 10:52never done an international conference. Would
- 10:54you go to Hong Kong, and we'll have a couple
- 10:56other teachers go, and we think this would be
- 10:58great. And I thought, I've got a great friend
- 10:59in Hong Kong. We've mentored a church in Hong
- 11:01Kong. I really believe in what they're doing,
- 11:03so I go and I do it. And then I came back, and
- 11:06they had a couple other conferences they asked
- 11:07me to speak at. Had a great relationship, and
- 11:10this is the leader of this whole deal. And we
- 11:12just, I thought everything was great. I didn't
- 11:15really notice that they didn't ask me to speak
- 11:16for a year. I didn't notice that they didn't
- 11:19ask me to speak another. I was pretty busy anyway.
- 11:21And then we had a big project that we had talked
- 11:24about earlier, and they said, whenever you get
- 11:25ready, let us know about this project. So I call,
- 11:28no response. I email, not even a return call.
- 11:33Well, they're busy. I understand they're probably
- 11:34out of the office. So I wait two months, go through
- 11:36the same. No response. And all of a sudden, I'm
- 11:40thinking, now, wait a second. I went all across
- 11:42the world to these people, gave them a week of
- 11:43my life. I've done two major events for them,
- 11:45and you can't even get a return phone call? And
- 11:48so then I decide, a guy taught me, okay, I'll
- 11:50do a phone conference. So I called, and our assistants,
- 11:53we set up a phone conference. And on the day
- 11:55of it, five minutes before the conference, oh,
- 11:58an emergency's come up. So -and -so can't make
- 12:00it. So now I'm thinking, now, am I connecting
- 12:03these dots and these are all just coincidences
- 12:05or is there a problem here? Well, I don't want
- 12:07to tell you about the second phone conference
- 12:09that was canceled, the time I learned to talk
- 12:12to his assistant. And she goes, oh, yeah, he's
- 12:14right in the other room. And then after she checks,
- 12:17oh, I didn't realize, and her voice tells me,
- 12:20you all have been here, right? I need to figure
- 12:22out how to cover for my boss without making you
- 12:24feel too bad. He doesn't want to talk to you.
- 12:28Eventually, I end up talking with a board member
- 12:30and had another big meeting that he at the last
- 12:32minute dropped out of. Now, here's what I've
- 12:35got to tell you. If I don't understand that people
- 12:38always behave in a way that makes sense to me,
- 12:40I want to tell you some thoughts that casually
- 12:42went through my mind. What kind of a jerk is
- 12:45this guy? I go all across the world. I do this,
- 12:48I do this, I do this. He won't return my phone
- 12:50call? Are you kidding? Who does he think he is?
- 12:54Is he the most arrogant guy in the whole world?
- 12:56Does he just use people? You know what? I thought
- 12:58that was a good organization, but you know what?
- 12:59I guess I was wrong. They just used me. Not that
- 13:03any of those thoughts would ever go through my
- 13:04mind, but if my flesh was in control, they could
- 13:07have. Of course, all those thoughts and all those
- 13:13feelings, and what would have happened? And then
- 13:16probably in my flesh, I would have thought of
- 13:18very subtle, sophisticated ways to tell other
- 13:20Christian leaders about what bums they are. That's
- 13:23sort of what sin does, isn't it? And instead,
- 13:26by the grace of God, I thought to myself, everyone
- 13:29behaves in a way that makes sense to them. And
- 13:33I got on a phone call with two of his leaders,
- 13:35and I said, I would do this directly, but I can't
- 13:40get an audience with your boss. and I just recited
- 13:43the things that we had agreed upon and what I've
- 13:45done. And I said, would you tell him I have a
- 13:49conviction from God that I must have wounded
- 13:52him in some way because all the data of his life
- 13:55has been he is a good man, he's a godly man,
- 13:58you have a great organization, and he won't even
- 14:01return my phone call. So I'm assuming there's
- 14:04a problem between us. And since one of the relational
- 14:07principles is it always begins with God, All
- 14:12those feelings and thoughts that were angry and
- 14:16bitter and unforgiving came to my mind. But I
- 14:18have a verse that says, Matthew 5, 23 and 24,
- 14:21if when you come and present your offering to
- 14:25the Lord, there at the altar, and remember, your
- 14:28brother has something against you, you lay down
- 14:32your offering and go to your brother. And so
- 14:34I said to these two guys, tell your boss. I will
- 14:37be bugging him until he answers my call, and
- 14:41I believe in some way. I don't know what I did.
- 14:43I don't know why, but I don't have relationships
- 14:46with Christian leaders like this, and I don't
- 14:48put it under the rug, and he and I are going
- 14:50to talk, and we're going to get this resolved
- 14:52and tell him in advance. I'm not mad at him,
- 14:55but this can't go on. I need to hear what I've
- 15:00done wrong. So long and the short of it is a
- 15:05board member. called me the next day of his organization
- 15:08and just in conversation asked a couple questions.
- 15:11And I said, brother, I'd like to talk directly.
- 15:14I can't get him to talk to me. He said, let me
- 15:16see what I can do. And when board members call
- 15:19you and you head Christian organizations, it
- 15:21has immediate impact. And so I got a call the
- 15:24next day, and we set up this thing, and we talked.
- 15:27And it was really interesting. We get on the
- 15:30phone together, and I tell him kind of my side
- 15:33of the story. Here's what my assumption is. He's
- 15:37behaving in a way that makes sense to him. And
- 15:40I say to him, use his name. All my experience
- 15:43is you're a good man. You're a godly man. It's
- 15:46a great organization. We've partnered in three
- 15:49or four major events. This behavior is totally
- 15:53contrary to everything I know about you. But
- 15:56I have to assume it makes sense to you. And the
- 15:59only explanation I have is that I've wounded
- 16:01or offended you in some way. And so will you
- 16:03please get that on the table so I could ask you
- 16:05to forgive me? And he said, you know, as a matter
- 16:10of fact, you did. Remember two years ago when
- 16:13he cited it and we agreed that we weren't going
- 16:15to bring up one issue in this conference? I said,
- 16:17fine, you're the head of it. And then when I
- 16:19got up two hours later, the person who was emceeing
- 16:22the event asked me two questions about that issue.
- 16:25I assumed, I guess he talked with his boss and
- 16:27he changed his mind, so I took three minutes
- 16:29on it and went on. We didn't talk with his boss.
- 16:32He just did that. His perception was, you and
- 16:35I talked, we agreed not to address that one issue,
- 16:38and then you got up in front of my constituency
- 16:40and addressed that issue. And then I said, and
- 16:45what part of coming to me and addressing that
- 16:49was left out? Why didn't you come to me? And
- 16:54then all of a sudden, are you ready for this?
- 16:57Two leaders get to talk. And he didn't use these
- 16:59words, but basically said, you know something?
- 17:03I'm premising. Because I'm desperately insecure
- 17:06just like you. You know, all of my leadership
- 17:09life, I have not addressed issues with people
- 17:12when there's conflict. I hate conflict. And what
- 17:15I've done is I've just pushed it down, pushed
- 17:17it down, pushed it down. And I didn't really
- 17:19even know. I just knew there was something. I
- 17:21couldn't put my finger on it. But when the board
- 17:23member called, and when I got your email, and
- 17:26when the two, my COO and the other vice president
- 17:29said, you're going to keep calling until this
- 17:31gets resolved, he said, I put my finger on it.
- 17:35And you know what's amazing? When you begin to
- 17:38treat people and understand, they always, always
- 17:43act in a way that makes sense to them. It is
- 17:47amazing what healing can occur than assuming
- 17:50their motives are bad, they're carnal, they're
- 17:53evil, they're trying to hurt you, they're out
- 17:56to get you. Doesn't mean you condone the behavior.
- 17:58And so here's the practice I want to give you.
- 18:01Two things that have been so helpful over the
- 18:03years. Number one, become a student of others'
- 18:05behavior to learn the why behind the what. Become
- 18:09a student. of others' behavior. I literally have,
- 18:13and Teresa has with me, we've become students
- 18:15of one another's behavior. I've become a student
- 18:17of my kids' behavior. I've become a student of
- 18:19the people that I work with. A student. I now
- 18:22know the why behind the what of her silence and
- 18:25her silence now. Of course, she talks a lot more
- 18:27now and I shut up more now, so we've both grown.
- 18:30But the why behind the what is there isn't a
- 18:32problem. I've learned that my wife gets refreshed
- 18:35by being alone. I get refreshed by talking and
- 18:38verbalizing. And so there's times where she's
- 18:41getting refreshed and I know the why behind the
- 18:44what so I can give her space and not feel rejected.
- 18:48She has now learned that she may not feel like
- 18:50talking but I've been through a board meeting
- 18:52or this or that or been out of the country and
- 18:53we need to go to Starbucks and she's going to
- 18:55sit and just ask four or five questions and I'll
- 18:57talk for an hour and a half and I feel better
- 18:59when I get done. But be a student the why behind
- 19:04the what. You know, one of my sons went through
- 19:07a real rebellious stage and he butted heads,
- 19:11butted heads, butted heads. And I remember near
- 19:13the end toward the breakthrough and God did an
- 19:14amazing thing. Everything he did, I assumed was
- 19:17rebellion against me and challenging my authority
- 19:20in God. And I remember I started thinking, you
- 19:23know. He's a smart kid. He keeps doing really
- 19:26dumb stuff, in my opinion. And it causes all
- 19:28this conflict. And we sat down on his bed. He's
- 19:3117. He lifted weights, was a big wrestler, was
- 19:34huge, big, strong kid. And I remember thinking,
- 19:38there's got to be a why behind the what. And
- 19:40I pushed and I pushed and I pushed. And I'll
- 19:42never forget the strapping, big, muscular guy
- 19:45breaks down and balls like a baby in his bedroom.
- 19:49And the why behind the what was not as much rebellion
- 19:52as it was fear. And it was scared to death at
- 19:55not measuring up. And you know, as a parent,
- 19:58don't you as a parent deal differently with a
- 20:00child who's afraid than a child who rebels? Become
- 20:05a student of the why behind the what of people's
- 20:08behavior. Second, choose to ask this question.
- 20:11What is the most generous explanation for their
- 20:13behavior? When your mate or friend does something
- 20:17that really bugs you, ask yourself, what's the
- 20:19most generous explanation? And really what that
- 20:21means is, you're saying, they're behaving in
- 20:25a way that makes sense to them. I don't understand
- 20:27it, and it may have hurt me, but what's the most
- 20:30generous explanation? See, the harshest explanation
- 20:34from a friend who's a Christian leader was he's
- 20:37arrogant, he's a jerk, he used me, he's insensitive.
- 20:42And he is unwilling to address hard issues, which
- 20:46tells me he has lack of integrity. That's my
- 20:48harsh assessment. The most generous assessment
- 20:51is, why would a good, godly leader of a great
- 20:56organization act in a way that is so contrary
- 20:59to everything that I know of him? Do you see
- 21:02the difference? The approach is completely different.
- 21:06So ask yourself when, with one of your kids or
- 21:10with your mom or dad or with a business associate
- 21:12or even with a neighbor, ask yourself in relationships,
- 21:16hmm, you know what, I don't know what's going
- 21:19on here, but this makes sense to them. You're
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- 23:00you to really pause right this moment. I don't
- 23:02care if you're driving in the car, you're on
- 23:04the treadmill, whatever's going on right now.
- 23:07I want you to think about what relationship,
- 23:10what person in your life is just a perpetual
- 23:14relationship challenge, right? I mean, they just
- 23:18keep doing things or saying things that just
- 23:22frustrate you. Is it your mate? Is it one of
- 23:25your kids? Is it one of your parents? Is it a
- 23:27coworker? Is it someone at church? I mean, you
- 23:30know, you just keep finding yourself frustrated
- 23:33with this person. And instead of blaming, instead
- 23:37of accusing, instead of having sleepless nights,
- 23:40let's just kind of play a little game. What's
- 23:44the most generous explanation that you could
- 23:47have of their behavior? Why? Because they're
- 23:50actually acting in a way that makes sense to
- 23:53them. And so often what happens is we experience
- 23:56people's behavior and it literally makes no sense.
- 23:59And we do get mad and we do react. And often
- 24:02how we react escalates the problem instead of
- 24:05making it better. And if you could learn this
- 24:08little principle, and by the way, it takes discipline.
- 24:11You sort of have to pause. And then you sort
- 24:14of play a little game where you say, okay, if
- 24:16I had to make up an explanation or two, For why
- 24:20this person would keep saying this when they
- 24:22know it makes me nuts, what would it be? And
- 24:26when you do that, you'll be amazed how it will
- 24:30change your thinking and then change how you
- 24:32relate to someone. My point is, we all act in
- 24:36a way that makes sense to us. And if you get
- 24:38behind that, understand the person. It is the
- 24:41first step toward resolving some really big problem
- 24:45relationships. That's Chip Ingram and the end
- 24:48of today's program. Join us next time as we continue
- 24:51our series, Caring Enough to Connect, here on
- 24:53Living on the Edge. Today's program is produced
- 24:59and sponsored by Living on the Edge.