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Dee Dee Moore_ What She Told Me That Didn_t Add Up(M4A_128K) · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: I remember standing just inside the main gate of the
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Speaker 1: largest women's prison in the United States. It's deep in
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Speaker 1: the heart of Florida. A guard hands me this little box.
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Speaker 1: It looks like an oversized pager with a little button
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Speaker 1: in the middle, and he clips it to my belt
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Speaker 1: and his instructions are blunt. If someone tries to kill you,
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Speaker 1: press this button.
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Speaker 2: Prison is in you may I will have to say
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Speaker 2: I never knew we treated humans like this at all.
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Speaker 2: I really didn't believe we treated humans like this.
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Speaker 1: That's the woman I'm there to interview, Doris d. D Moore.
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Speaker 1: She's serving life in prison with no possibility of parole.
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Speaker 2: A lot of these people could be we could save
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Speaker 2: taxpayer money and could be in houses on ankle bracelets
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Speaker 2: and stuff and actually work instead of taxpayers paying d D.
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Speaker 1: Moore is not one of those people. This is a
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Speaker 1: woman who once staged her own kidnapp, who committed fraud
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Speaker 1: on a staggering scale, convicted of first degree murder. I'm
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Speaker 1: there to sit across from her face to face and
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Speaker 1: hear her story. Not that she's honest. She isn't. In fact,
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Speaker 1: Dedie Moore is almost incapable of telling the truth.
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Speaker 3: I've done this. I took a gun and shut something.
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Speaker 4: You look at the brighton anybody.
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Speaker 1: The lies are where her story really lives, and it's
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Speaker 1: through those lies that you will come to understand. Deanie Moore.
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Speaker 2: Do I deserve a life in prison to die from
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Speaker 2: killing a man I didn't have nothing to do with.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: I'm James Buddy Day. This is unmarked. When I sit
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Speaker 1: across from Deanie Moore, She's wearing prison blues. We're in
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Speaker 1: a cavernous cafeteria that echoes with chairs scraping against the cement.
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Speaker 1: There's a guard beside me, close enough to tell much.
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Speaker 1: Dede smiles, chatty, eager, and immediately she begins talking about
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Speaker 1: her innocence.
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Speaker 2: You've got to be crazy if you think that I
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Speaker 2: did this. The evidence shows that the DNA shows.
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Speaker 1: That I've been corresponding with d d for a while now.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I have her letters right here. Despite being
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Speaker 1: written from a prison cell, it's printed on Doris Moore
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Speaker 1: custom stationary. Most of the letter is her complaining about
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Speaker 1: her TV appearances. It reads, in part, people could not
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Speaker 1: believe twenty twenty did not show my side of the story.
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Speaker 1: I've got letters from all around the world snapped it
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Speaker 1: a little better, you know, and then.
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Speaker 2: You've got somebody like twenty twenty going, oh you could
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Speaker 2: make this paper? Have you lost your mind? You ought
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Speaker 2: to see what they cut and cropped.
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Speaker 1: Out to be clear. D. D. Moore is undeniably guilty
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Speaker 1: for the murder of Abraham Shakespeare, a Florida man who
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Speaker 1: won a thirty million dollars lottery prize in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven and vanished in two thousand and nine. His
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Speaker 1: body was eventually found buried under a concrete slab in
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Speaker 1: Dede's backyard two gunshot wounds to the chest from a
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Speaker 1: thirty eight special. Despite her complaints she hasn't been misrepresented
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Speaker 1: in the press. She is by every definition, a violent,
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Speaker 1: pathological liar.
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Speaker 2: I had one lady write me and say something happened
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Speaker 2: in the jury room.
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Speaker 1: There's no point debating her. As a true crime filmmaker,
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Speaker 1: I've had years of practice talking to pathological liars people
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Speaker 1: like DEDI live in a sort of blurred boundary between
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Speaker 1: truth and invention. Sitting across from her, as far as
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Speaker 1: I can tell, she believes every word she's saying. So
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Speaker 1: instead of arguing, I want to understand how did she
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Speaker 1: become capable of all this.
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Speaker 2: Plant City, Florida.
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Speaker 1: Dede is born Doris Donegan. She's from Hillsborough County, population
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, high poverty, and like most people, her
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Speaker 1: childhood shapes her. According to her mother, a certified nursing assistant, Dee,
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Speaker 1: Dee was a gleeful kid, a Brownie girl scout, elementary
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Speaker 1: school cheerleader. But Dede was always embarrassed by what the
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Speaker 1: family didn't have, the cars, the clothes, the money. So
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Speaker 1: when she turns nineteen, she escapes the only way she can.
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Speaker 1: She gets married. Her husband is James Daryl Moore, a
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Speaker 1: man her own age, and at first life is quiet.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety five they have a son, Robert, and
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Speaker 1: in two thousand they buy their first house. And this
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Speaker 1: is where things start to get strange. Dede's first major
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Speaker 1: scam is to fake her own kidnapping. It begins on
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Speaker 1: June fourteenth, two thousand and one, when the bank attempts
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Speaker 1: to reap his Dede's fifty thousand dollars black Lincoln navigator.
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Speaker 1: Six days later, the navigator is stashed inside a garage
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Speaker 1: in Pascoe County, Florida. Dede promises the garage owner five
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Speaker 1: hundred bucks to store it and warns him that it
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Speaker 1: might be involved in an insurance scam. Next, an accomplice
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Speaker 1: drives her to a secluded area, ties her up, and
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Speaker 1: leaves her in a ditch. A passerby finds her, but
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Speaker 1: Dee Dee tells deputies two Mexican men kidnapped her from
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Speaker 1: a post office, tied her wrists and ankles, threatened to
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Speaker 1: burn her alive in her own car. They stole her jewelry.
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Speaker 1: They dumped her by the roadside. It's these kind of
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Speaker 1: outrageous stories that Dede will become known for. Two weeks later,
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Speaker 1: on June twenty sixth, the Pasco County garage owner recognizes
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Speaker 1: Dede on the news and calls police. Dede's story quickly unravels.
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Speaker 1: Under questioning, she pleads no contest to filing a false
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Speaker 1: report and receives a year of probation.
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Speaker 3: I don't care if you're my sister, my sister somebody
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Speaker 3: killed her. I would not go file a false report
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Speaker 3: and saying I've talked to her. If I didn't, in
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Speaker 3: dead is my sister, i'dnther be dead myself.
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Speaker 1: That's Dede speaking to a pair of detectives. Years later,
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Speaker 1: after watching hours of interrogation and even sitting across from
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Speaker 1: d D, I've noticed something. She can cry on command,
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Speaker 1: not real tears. It's the performance of emotion, and her
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Speaker 1: tells her obvious once you know what to listen for.
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Speaker 2: The judge keeps telling me stop crying, like I'm supposed
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Speaker 2: to be emotionalless. I'm supposed to be like this in
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Speaker 2: trial and I.
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Speaker 1: First, she ramps up fast, her voice cracks, her breathing stutters.
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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to just sit there emotionless, and you're gonna
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Speaker 2: yell at me and tell me that you're gonna put
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Speaker 2: me in the back room for crying, for being human.
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Speaker 1: It looks emotional, but it's not felt. It's performed.
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Speaker 2: It was wrong, and they allowed them to do it
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Speaker 2: because it was.
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Speaker 1: It was wrong.
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Speaker 2: But I tell my lawyers the whole time.
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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and one, after d D is
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Speaker 1: convicted for faking her own kidnapping, she files for bankruptcy
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Speaker 1: and divorce. This is d D speaking to investigators years later,
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Speaker 1: offering her version of events from that time.
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Speaker 5: Because I helped every low life, every person, I never
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Speaker 5: would say no to anybody I helped everybody. I took
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Speaker 5: in stragglers. I helped everybody I could. I would pay
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Speaker 5: other people's car payments when they couldn't pay them.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think that for your divorce. And that's
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Speaker 4: me here nor there. Because we had a long, extensive
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Speaker 4: conversation with James.
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Speaker 1: Between two thousand and one and two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 1: DD's schemes get much more complicated. She learns how to
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Speaker 1: use companies, credit and bank accounts. Car payments disappear, payroll
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Speaker 1: goes missing. It's that sort of thing, and by two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, her financial trail is a mess of
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Speaker 1: credit card debt, broken leases, prepaid phone schemes, and fraud investigations.
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Speaker 2: Because I was wanting to do something different in my life,
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Speaker 2: go a different avenue, and I already had a successful
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Speaker 2: business at that time, and I wanted to do something
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Speaker 2: in book writing, and so I have that on documentation
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Speaker 2: through a bank account, which I'm going to give you.
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Speaker 1: She did, in fact mail me her bank statements, but
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Speaker 1: they're poor photocopies of bank statements, misaligned and smudged, and
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Speaker 1: they tell a different story. Her statements begin shortly after
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Speaker 1: her bankruptcy, and they show extravagant charges, golf courses, two
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Speaker 1: trips to Las Vegas, staying at the Luxer, and Billaggio
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Speaker 1: not the footprint of a successful entrepreneur, more like someone
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Speaker 1: living beyond their means with other people's money. In two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Dedi attends a small business conference in
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Speaker 1: Kissing me Florida, where she meets a real estate broker
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Speaker 1: named Barbara Jackson. It's Barbara who tells Dede about a
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Speaker 1: client of hers, a quiet man from Lakeland, Florida, who
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Speaker 1: won thirty million dollars in the lottery two years earlier.
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Speaker 1: In Deedee's version of events, she intends to write a book,
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Speaker 1: and Barbara Jackson suggests that Abraham's story would make an
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Speaker 1: ideal subject.
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Speaker 2: Barbara had suggested he would be an interesting subject because
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Speaker 2: of his scenario and what happened to him and everything.
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Speaker 2: So we got to talk at the government conference.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long for Barbara to arrange an introduction.
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Speaker 1: Having no idea, she's just handed a lifelong con artist
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Speaker 1: her newest mark. Abraham Shakespeare lives in Lakeland, which is
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Speaker 1: a small city between Tampa and Orlando. People who know
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Speaker 1: him describe him as soft spoken, kind and and overwhelmed
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Speaker 1: by his sudden wealth. When I ask Dede to describe him,
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Speaker 1: she struggles. She falls back on the same adjective over
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Speaker 1: and over and over.
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Speaker 2: He's very street smart. I very street smart. He uh,
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Speaker 2: very good and very street smart.
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Speaker 1: This is something pathological liars do when they're trying to
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Speaker 1: hide something. They get stuck on a phrase because they
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Speaker 1: can't improvise beyond their own script. Psychologists call it a
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Speaker 1: verbal anchor, a memorized line meant to shape the narrative.
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Speaker 1: And then she does something else that pathological liars do.
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Speaker 1: She slips in a small detail meant to skew the
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Speaker 1: victim's reputation.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you look up his you'll have
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Speaker 2: to look up his record, but I know he was
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Speaker 2: charged with invading a house at one time by gunpoint,
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Speaker 2: so he had very good street smarts.
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Speaker 1: This is textbook minimization. If Abraham Shakespeare is a street
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Speaker 1: smart criminal, then DEDI couldn't have taken advantage of him.
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Speaker 1: But here's what really happened. After winning the lottery, he
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Speaker 1: opts for a lump sum about twelve point seven million
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Speaker 1: after taxes. A coworker sues him over the winning ticket,
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Speaker 1: but Abraham wins the lawsuit in two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 1: He buys a one hundred thousand dollars BMW that same year,
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Speaker 1: and a four to five hundred on July ninth. He
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Speaker 1: also purchases a one point one million dollar home in
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Speaker 1: a gated community. By all accounts, when d D meets Abraham,
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Speaker 1: he's struggling. He's worn down by friends, family, and acquaintances,
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Speaker 1: constantly asking for money. We talked to many people in
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Speaker 1: Lakeland who knew Abraham, and they all confirmed the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Abraham would often lend out money on handshakes, no interest,
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Speaker 1: no plan for repayment.
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Speaker 2: He had loan documents for it. He only gave a
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Speaker 2: couple people money, but most of it was loaned out
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Speaker 2: so they could pay him back in increments. He loaned
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Speaker 2: out mortgages, and he loaned out loans, and loaned out
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Speaker 2: car money, and loaned out house mortgages, and they were
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Speaker 2: supposed to pay him back on these debts. At first,
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Speaker 2: I felt sorry for him. I knew that feeling. I
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Speaker 2: knew that that way of you. It's hard to say
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Speaker 2: no because you want to try to help save everybody,
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Speaker 2: and you can't save everybody, or you'll have nothing left.
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Speaker 1: When de d is interviewed by investigators years later, she
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Speaker 1: tells them that she offered to help Abraham by recouping
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Speaker 1: the money he'd leant out.
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Speaker 5: That he was having all these problems. He had a
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Speaker 5: problem with doing all his collections because.
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Speaker 3: No one would pay him back once he gave them money.
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Speaker 4: They wouldn't give him.
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Speaker 5: Any They would say, get the f off my property,
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Speaker 5: threatening and everything. So he was having a problem with
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Speaker 5: doing that. So he had asked me about doing his
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Speaker 5: collection form.
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Speaker 1: But Dede has since changed her story. Instead of recouping
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Speaker 1: the money, he wanted to cash out and disappear from
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Speaker 1: all the pressure.
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Speaker 2: What happened was Abraham wanted me to cash out his money. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Abraham cashes out his money and he wants to bury it. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I don't want it buried on one of my properties.
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Speaker 2: But he begs me and begs me, and I'm like,
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Speaker 2: and he keeps asking me, and so finally he says,
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Speaker 2: I'll pay you three hundred thousand dollars. Well, I look
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Speaker 2: at myself, I gotta be stupid. Not I meant you
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Speaker 2: gotta be really stupid. Okay, three hundred thousand dollars. Sure,
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Speaker 2: what's it gonna hurt?
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Speaker 1: This becomes her entire defense. Abraham wanted to disappear. He
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Speaker 1: trusted her to hide his money. She thought she was
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Speaker 1: just burying cash, not a body. So here's the timeline,
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Speaker 1: and it's remarkable. D D meets Abraham in October of
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Seven months later, he's murdered. In
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Speaker 1: that short window, she gains control of virtually everything he owns.
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Speaker 1: His one million dollar home goes to Moore's company, followed
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Speaker 1: by two more properties. He cashes out three point five
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Speaker 1: million dollars and receivables for just one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars That goes to d D. As well,
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Speaker 1: Moore assumes multiple mortgages. She buys a Lincoln MKS, trades
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Speaker 1: it for a BMW and puts the title in her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's name, and she registers a new company, Abraham Shakespeare LLC.
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Speaker 2: D D.
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Speaker 1: Moore is named as director. This pattern continues for three
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Speaker 1: more months until April of two thousand and nine. At
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Speaker 1: that point, according to d D, she takes all the
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Speaker 1: money that Abraham has asked her to cash out and
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Speaker 1: buries it under a concrete slab.
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Speaker 2: I admit to that. I feel bad. I made a mistake.
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Speaker 2: I let them bury money on one of my properties.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think nothing was wrong in it. I didn't
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Speaker 2: think of the consequences. That was my stupidity. But do
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Speaker 2: I deserve a life in prison to die for killing
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Speaker 2: a man I didn't have nothing to do with. Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: No money was ever buried on Dedie Moore's property. Abraham
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Speaker 1: Shakespeare's body was. D D can't lie about digging up
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Speaker 1: her yard. Too many witnesses, too much evidence. So she's
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Speaker 1: invented this story about buried cash.
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Speaker 2: So we bury the money April sixth We ended up
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Speaker 2: burying it there, so it's on camera, and we bury
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Speaker 2: it out back April thirteenth. I put concrete just over
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Speaker 2: the edge of the money.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting is that buried money is an evolution from
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Speaker 1: the original excuse she gave investigators after her arrest. This
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Speaker 1: is d D in the original investigation telling detectives that
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Speaker 1: she dug the hole to bury concrete.
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Speaker 5: We were burying some concrete. We had very concrete out
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Speaker 5: there on the property before. If you look a front.
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Speaker 4: Of that.
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Speaker 5: In front of that building, there's concrete buried. There's concrete
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Speaker 5: buried right in front of the brown building to the left.
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Speaker 1: Sitting across from d d I notice another tell. She
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Speaker 1: starts using her hands pointing in the air, gesturing downwards,
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Speaker 1: drawing maps, trying to fill that space between us. Then
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Speaker 1: she grabs whatever piece of paper is in front of
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Speaker 1: her and begins demonstrating. She slides it around, taps it.
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Speaker 1: She recreates imaginary trenches, timelines, and movement. This is not evidence,
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Speaker 1: it's more theater. Pathological liars often try to anchor their
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Speaker 1: stories in a physical space, and Dedi needs these props
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Speaker 1: to make her fantasy feel real for both me and
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Speaker 1: for herself. The more elaborate the lie, the more she
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Speaker 1: performs with her hands. Back in April of two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine, Dede brings in her ex husband, James Moore
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Speaker 1: and asks him to dig a large pit behind her house.
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Speaker 1: He rents equipment, he digs the hole, and a couple
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Speaker 1: hours later, Dede calls him back to fill it in.
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Speaker 1: The true reason for the pit is to hide the
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Speaker 1: body of Abraham Shakespeare. Investigators later determined Abraham Shakespeare was
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Speaker 1: shot on April sixth, two thousand and nine, the week
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Speaker 1: before the pit was dug. His murder takes place at
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Speaker 1: a different property, also owned by DEDE. Moore. Blood evidence
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Speaker 1: is detected in the master bedroom, Cadaver dogs alert in
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Speaker 1: the bedroom and the bathroom, and the Florida Department of
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Speaker 1: Law Enforcement later recovered two thirty eight rounds from Abraham's body. Unsurprisingly,
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Speaker 1: De d disputes all the physical evidence.
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Speaker 2: Everybody out there knows Abraham did not die.
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Speaker 1: Able six.
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Speaker 2: Abraham got a DNA test done April twenty eighth, proving
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Speaker 2: he was not under the concrete when it was poured.
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Speaker 1: When I'm with her, she hands me this low quality
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Speaker 1: photocopy of a DNA test that she supposedly ordered a
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Speaker 1: month after Abraham died. She insists that this proves Abraham
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Speaker 1: was somehow alive, but she ignores the obvious His body
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Speaker 1: was recovered from beneath the concrete slab. She says she poured,
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Speaker 1: but she has an explanation for that too, and it
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Speaker 1: just shows how elaborate her fantasy world has become.
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Speaker 2: There was a trench dug underneath this concrete, so far
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Speaker 2: out they didn't see how far the trench was dug,
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Speaker 2: proving they trenched up under the concrete, trenched the dirt out.
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Speaker 2: The money out and then put his.
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Speaker 1: Body in secret underground tunnels post mortem DNA tests. This
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Speaker 1: is where Dede Moore lives now where every contradiction has
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Speaker 1: a fantastical escape patch. But here's what we know. On
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Speaker 1: November ninth, two thousand and nine, six months after he
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Speaker 1: was shot in Dede's home and buried at another of
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Speaker 1: her properties, Abraham Shakespeare is finally reported missing by a
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Speaker 1: friend and the Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office opens an investigation.
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Speaker 1: A month later, December ninth, two thousand and nine, Abraham's
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Speaker 1: mother receives a phone call from someone pretending to be
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Speaker 1: her son. It's a crude attempt to make it seem
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Speaker 1: like Abraham is still alive, but deputies trace that number
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Speaker 1: and it comes back to a man they can't immediately find.
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Speaker 1: That man is named Greg Smith. For several days, investigators
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Speaker 1: try to locate him. They're looking for the person behind
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Speaker 1: the fake call, someone who by definition has information about
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Speaker 1: Abraham's disappearance. And then they get lucky. During surveillance, detective
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Speaker 1: spot the same man, Greg Smith, and he's meeting with d. D. Moore.
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Speaker 1: This is Detective David Wallace from Dede's two thousand and
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Speaker 1: nine interrogation, explaining what happens now.
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Speaker 4: I pulled Greg over and I say, Greg, guess what.
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Speaker 4: You got a choice here? Song, You got two things.
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Speaker 4: You can either jump on board with me or you
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Speaker 4: can go right down the river with somebody else. And
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Speaker 4: guess what, Greg said, I'm on board with us to Wallace.
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Speaker 1: At this point everything spills out. Greg admits that he
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Speaker 1: made the fake call to Abraham's mother, that he made
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Speaker 1: another fake call to police in Miami, and it was
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Speaker 1: Dede who paid him to do it.
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Speaker 4: You had Greg Smith call the phone and talk to
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Speaker 4: his mother and say he was Abraham Shakespeare. You had
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Speaker 4: Greg Smith do this, Okay, Oh, don't tell the police
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Speaker 4: and mama because they're just help looking for me. He
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Speaker 4: orchestrated everything.
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Speaker 1: When I ask Dede about this, her explanation is suspicious,
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Speaker 1: to say the least. She claims that Greg Smith lured
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Speaker 1: the police to himself to implicate DDI.
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Speaker 2: He wanted the cell phone to track the police to
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Speaker 2: him because he wanted to be on the police and
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Speaker 2: so the side of it so that he could put
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Speaker 2: the police in my direction.
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Speaker 1: By early two thousand and nine, investigators are recording every
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Speaker 1: interaction between D. D. Moore and Greg Smith, and it
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Speaker 1: doesn't take long before DeeDee pushes things even further. She
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Speaker 1: asked Greg if he knows anyone who might be willing
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Speaker 1: to take the fall for Abraham's murder, and Greg plays along.
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Speaker 1: He introduces her to an undercover officer, posing as someone
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Speaker 1: desperate enough to confess to a killing that he didn't commit,
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Speaker 1: and right away Dede makes an offer ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: up front with another forty thousand dollars in installments if
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Speaker 1: Greg will falsely confess to Abraham Shakespeare's murder.
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Speaker 2: If you listen to the recordings, there's twenty hours of
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Speaker 2: recordings that show my innocence. He's the one that suggests that,
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Speaker 2: I say, why do I have to do that?
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Speaker 1: What Dede isn't saying is that Greg Smith was not
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Speaker 1: the only person she tried to pin this on, not
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Speaker 1: even close Investigators would later learn that she'd been shopping
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Speaker 1: around for a fall guy. At one point, she even
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Speaker 1: approached her own father, asking him to confess to Abraham's
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Speaker 1: murder on her behalf. That's the part she leaves out.
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Speaker 1: It shows how far she's willing to go, not just
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Speaker 1: to avoid accountability, but to rewrite reality itself. Four days later,
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Speaker 1: on January twenty fifth, twenty ten, More hands the informant
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Speaker 1: a Smith and Wesson thirty eight special with an attached laser.
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Speaker 1: At the time, she says, it's the murder weapon.
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Speaker 2: You can't manipulate the system and make something up and
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Speaker 2: say this person killed them when they didn't, When the
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Speaker 2: gun doesn't match, when the DNA doesn't match, when all
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Speaker 2: the circumstantial evidence, when the crime itself doesn't match.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's Deed herself who connects all the evidence
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Speaker 1: and hands it over to authorities. She takes Greg Smith
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Speaker 1: out to her Plant City home. She stands on the
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Speaker 1: concrete slab and she tells him Abraham Shakespeare is buried underneath.
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Speaker 1: When I'm with her, she actually reads the police report
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Speaker 1: to me herself, as if it helps her case somehow.
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Speaker 2: It says that Greg Smith says Moore told him that
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Speaker 2: she was in possession of the gun. She further told
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Speaker 2: him where Shakespeare was buried on the property, and she
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Speaker 2: needed to have the body moved. Okay, right there, that's
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Speaker 2: what he says. But if you look right here, when
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Speaker 2: you listen to the tape recordings, if you examine the
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Speaker 2: transcript of the meeting. Moments later, Moore says nothing of
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Speaker 2: the kind, never mentions having a weapon, nor Shakespeare was shot,
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Speaker 2: nor she knew where Shakespeare was buried. Then in twenty
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Speaker 2: twelve's deposition, Smith says that she did. He clearly got
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Speaker 2: that information from Greg Smith. So you cannot sit there
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Speaker 2: and manipulate something when you you've got it all along.
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Speaker 2: Take everything is tape recorded.
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Speaker 1: What Dede leaves out is that authorities were listening in
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Speaker 1: when all of this took place. They saw her hand
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Speaker 1: over the gun, They saw a hand drawn map with
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Speaker 1: the location of the body. DEDI also had supplies with
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Speaker 1: her gloves, bleach, a metal tub for the remains, and kerosene.
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Speaker 2: I don't buy kerosene because that body is not going
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Speaker 2: to be burnt if it's found, because I think that's
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Speaker 2: disgusting and sick. I'm not going to buy kerosene. But
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Speaker 2: guess what in Discovery it says there was kerosene there
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Speaker 2: or gas, but it never was. I gave yeah, but
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Speaker 2: I gave him the illusion because I wanted to know
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Speaker 2: if the money was there. I didn't really believe the
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Speaker 2: body was there.
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Speaker 1: I want more bad answers more contradictions. In reality, she
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Speaker 1: shows them the exact location of Abraham's body, but according
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Speaker 1: to her, it's a coincidence or an illusion, or a
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Speaker 1: trench was doug or there's a DNA test. Her story
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Speaker 1: changes by the minute. It's now twenty ten, and it
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Speaker 1: doesn't take long for the Sheriff's office to find what
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Speaker 1: they've been looking for. On January twenty eighth, Abraham Shakespeare's
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Speaker 1: body is recovered exactly where Dede said it was. D
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Speaker 1: d is arrested and taken into custody, and it begins
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Speaker 1: a marathon interrogation that lasts for days.
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Speaker 4: Abraham Shakespeare gets killed. Not only does he get killed,
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Speaker 4: he gets killed. It's your office. He gets killed with
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Speaker 4: your gun, and he gets married on your your property,
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Speaker 4: and you pour a slab within a week later, right
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Speaker 4: over where he's at.
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Speaker 3: Why would I have him killed?
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Speaker 1: Why would I have him kill?
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Speaker 5: Why would I have.
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Speaker 4: Somebody come there and kill him? Why? Okay, you know
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Speaker 4: as well as I do. Abraham Shakespeare was killed the
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Speaker 4: night of August of April sixth Okay, is that right?
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
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Speaker 4: Let's just start off on just these little baby steps.
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Speaker 5: Look at you, I told you you need to go
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Speaker 5: and wait until they give you time and death and
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Speaker 5: check that on.
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Speaker 1: Detectives use the strategy of telling that they know what happened.
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Speaker 1: They act exasperated, and they tell her it's over.
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Speaker 4: You were telling him the same silly ass stories you
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Speaker 4: were telling us. We've done it all on tape. Did
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Speaker 4: your stories have all fallen off? You can't come up
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Speaker 4: with a new one. The only story that's gonna last,
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Speaker 4: Now that's the truth. James Moore did dig that that thing? Okay,
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Speaker 4: I know he did, all right, James Moore knows he did. Okay.
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Speaker 4: I just spent the afternoon with James Moore. Okay, I
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Speaker 4: just left with James Moore. All right, we know what happened.
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Speaker 5: I'm supposed to hold on to it till he comes back.
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Speaker 5: He's supposed to be getting money when he wants, and
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Speaker 5: he did. He got money.
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Speaker 4: When Hang on a minute, he's not coming back because
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Speaker 4: we just dug him out your property.
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Speaker 1: You knew then this is a poor strategy with DEDI.
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Speaker 1: Pathological liars don't break under pressure. They inflate, And that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what happens.
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Speaker 2: If you had nothing to do with his murder, Why
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Speaker 2: do you keep lying? I had a reason to lie.
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Speaker 2: They were gonna kill my son. My son put him
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Speaker 2: on my doorstep.
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Speaker 1: This is her most recent excuse. It's the one she
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Speaker 1: tells me in person. She had to lie because unnamed
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Speaker 1: people were trying to kill her, trying to kill her son.
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Speaker 1: In criminal psychology, they call this the victim stance or
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Speaker 1: the victimhood inversion. When evidence is overwhelming, the offender attempts
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Speaker 1: to reframe themselves as the true victim.
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Speaker 2: Because I couldn't tell him the truth, because they wouldn't
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Speaker 2: protect my son.
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Speaker 1: Her son was never in danger except from her. When
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Speaker 1: all else failed, she tried to blame him for the murder.
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Speaker 1: He's only fourteen years old at the time, but detectives
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Speaker 1: don't bite because he's not the only person she accuses.
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Speaker 1: She cycles through suspects the same way she cycles through stories.
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Speaker 5: They live to meet Ronald and and lied to me.
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Speaker 5: The drug dealer live to me. I don't care if
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Speaker 5: you think I did it, okay.
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Speaker 1: She blames a drug dealer, She blames her ex husband,
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Speaker 1: she blames her cousin, and later she even blames her
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Speaker 1: own attorney. Completely different killers, all mutually exclusive, all impossible.
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Speaker 1: When D. D. Moore is cornered. Her lies don't shrink,
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Speaker 1: they multiply.
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Speaker 5: Okay, you think I did it?
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Speaker 2: Stop me?
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Speaker 5: An innocent person's going.
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Speaker 3: To go to jail.
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Speaker 1: Ddi Moore is still at Lowell Correctional Institution in o'kalli, Florida.
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Speaker 1: She maintains her innocence to this day. She continues to
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Speaker 1: write letters, She continues to blame everyone but her, and
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Speaker 1: she continues to rewrite the truth until even she seems
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Speaker 1: unsure where the lies end and the fantasy begins. But
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Speaker 1: no matter what d D says, the facts don't change.
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Speaker 1: Abraham Shakespeare trusted the wrong person, and in seven months,
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Speaker 1: Dede stripped him of his money, his home, his identity,
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Speaker 1: and finally, his life. She buried him in her own
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Speaker 1: backyard and spent the next year manufacturing a fiction so
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Speaker 1: elaborate she can still recite it without hesitation. Listening to
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Speaker 1: her now, it's easy to forget what happened. But that's
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Speaker 1: her gift and her curse.
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Speaker 2: I passed the lie detector test.
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Speaker 1: Pathological liars tell the story they need to hear.
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Speaker 2: This is what people do. They hear what they want
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Speaker 2: to hear.
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Speaker 1: So we have at one point during our conversation Dede
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Speaker 1: summed herself up in a way only she can. A
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Speaker 1: sentence that collapses in on itself, circles back, contradicts, and
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Speaker 1: somehow tries to stand as proof of innocence.
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Speaker 2: For me.
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Speaker 1: This sums updeting more.
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Speaker 2: I lied. I told you I was lying. Why did
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Speaker 2: they lie? They had no reason to lie. I lied profusely.
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Speaker 2: I kept telling you I was lying. I didn't lie
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Speaker 2: that I was lying. I didn't lie that I was lying.
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Speaker 2: Think about it.
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