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POTB 567: An IU basketball check-in with Galen Clavio of CrimsonCast · Podcast on the Brink

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcast on the
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Speaker 1: Brink Thursday, May twenty, first holiday weekend is upon us.
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Speaker 1: Big weekend obviously in the state of Indiana. With the
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Speaker 1: Indian Apples five hundred coming up, this weekend should be
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. The blackout, I guess is lifted
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Speaker 1: with the sellout, so I know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: around the state excited about that. Not going to be
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Speaker 1: talking too much Indy five hundred here on this week's
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Speaker 1: episode of Podcast on the Brink, but we do have
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Speaker 1: Galen Clavio Crimson cast host with us for this week's episode.
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Speaker 1: Has been a while since we've had a chance to
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Speaker 1: talk to Galen. Really excited for that conversation before we
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Speaker 1: appreciate the support there as well. Galen, Always good to
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Speaker 1: see you, Always good to talk to you. It's probably
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Speaker 1: found a little bit more lonely these days in Bloomington
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Speaker 1: with the students leaving campus. What's it like in the
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Speaker 1: spring kind of being around campus there once the summer hits,
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Speaker 1: you know, always Krona Kouzier likes to talk about b
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Speaker 1: town summers founding a patio, plenty of seating. Is is
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Speaker 1: that reality that these days in Bloomington with the students
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Speaker 1: headed at home for the summer.
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Speaker 2: It is there's always a taper off because you've still
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Speaker 2: got I core students from Kelly in town generally for
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Speaker 2: the first part of the summer, but it is noticeably
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Speaker 2: less busy. So yeah, you can hit the restaurants you
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Speaker 2: have been able to get into, you can grab a patio.
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Speaker 2: We would like the weather to cooperate a little bit
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Speaker 2: more because, as I'm sure it's been where you live,
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Speaker 2: we're basically just living underwater at this point thanks to
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Speaker 2: all the rain. But it's been nice and it's always
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Speaker 2: a nice breather after the craziness of March in April
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Speaker 2: and Bloomington is there.
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Speaker 1: I know we're mainly gonna talk basketball, but football season
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Speaker 1: is kind of what's next on the on the play
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Speaker 1: here is there is there a buzz in Bloomington already
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Speaker 1: building for next season? Obviously, the it's the honeymoon from
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Speaker 1: the National Championships still not worn off, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it ever will, because you know, it was
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Speaker 1: such an improbable season and people are gonna be excited
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Speaker 1: about that for forever. But what is the buzz already
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Speaker 1: building for football next fall?
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Speaker 2: I would say so. The thing about Bloomington, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to find a ton of buzz when there aren't students
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Speaker 2: here period. It's like a dull hum. But the hum
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Speaker 2: is definitely there for football. If you haven't been to
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Speaker 2: Bloomington in a while. There's this delightful mural that's been
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Speaker 2: painted on the side of the building that overlooks People's
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Speaker 2: Park on Kirkwood. It is entirely football themed. And you know,
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Speaker 2: with Kurt Signetti going up and driving the pace car
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Speaker 2: or the DY five hundred, you've had all this Fernando
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Speaker 2: related media coming out with him being drafted by the Raiders,
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Speaker 2: and obviously a lot of excitement coming out of spring ball.
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Speaker 2: I mean there were twenty five twenty six thousand people
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Speaker 2: in the stands for spring ball, which probably doesn't sound
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Speaker 2: like a ton, but if you've been to a spring
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Speaker 2: game before at IU, that's remarkable. So yeah, there's excitement,
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Speaker 2: and it's one of the things we're going to be
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Speaker 2: launching into a lot more on Crimson Cast here over
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Speaker 2: the next couple of months. We've got a ton of
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Speaker 2: season previews that we're getting ready to do so great,
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Speaker 2: good times, and certainly still trying to figure out what
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Speaker 2: the heck happened over the last two years and how
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Speaker 2: we got so fortunate with everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so IU basketball obviously a tough season. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to rehash too much of it, but basically I
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Speaker 1: don't know from my perspective. I picked him tenth in
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Speaker 1: the preseason. That's where they finished in the Big Ten.
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Speaker 1: I thought they had a solid chance to make the tournament.
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Speaker 1: I guess maybe if the expansion would have happened last season,
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Speaker 1: they would have been in there. They were right on
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Speaker 1: the cusp, I guess, depending on what projection you wanted
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Speaker 1: to look at. But big picture, in terms of how
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Speaker 1: last season went, where did it fall for you? In
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Speaker 1: terms of what you expected going in and what actually transpired.
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Speaker 2: I would say I had hope, but I had lower
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Speaker 2: expectations at the start of the season, and then when
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Speaker 2: the season started they were playing pretty well and I
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Speaker 2: was like, oh, my expectations have risen. And then I
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Speaker 2: feel like the way that they finished. It was very
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Speaker 2: It ended up being more disappointing than I think I
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Speaker 2: thought it was going to be, and so I think sometimes, well,
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Speaker 2: if that whole thing had been reversed, if they'd started
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Speaker 2: off disappointing and then rallied and just missed the tournament
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Speaker 2: at the end, would it been a more acceptable season. Maybe.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're always somewhat biased by what's happened most recently,
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Speaker 2: but I just feel like the team got progressively less
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Speaker 2: enjoyable to watch as the season went along, and parts
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Speaker 2: just weren't working for t picularly well, and I think
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Speaker 2: that that contributed to the feeling that it was basically
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Speaker 2: a continuation of what you've had from the previous couple
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Speaker 2: of seasons at the end of Mike woodson tenure, which
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Speaker 2: was kind of the last thing that IU basketball and
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Speaker 2: Darren Debrees needed for a debut year where things were
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Speaker 2: supposed to feel different.
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Speaker 1: So fast forward to the spring. What's what's again last season?
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Speaker 1: Let's let's try to forget it happened at this point.
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Speaker 1: I think if you're an IU basketball fan, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of the mindset you are. You you went into the
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Speaker 1: portal season hopeful that something would be different. Obviously, there
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Speaker 1: was the hiring of Ryan Carr, and it's kind of
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Speaker 1: been the impact that Carr had actually on this portal season.
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Speaker 1: You know, when Derez was asked about it a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, he kind of cited more of a
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Speaker 1: team effort and rather than just giving Ryan Carr the card,
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Speaker 1: which I think was actually a pretty good way to
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Speaker 1: to put it from his perspective, because obviously he didn't
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Speaker 1: want his coaching staff to feel underappreciated. And I do
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Speaker 1: think it was a team and I do think obviously
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Speaker 1: Carr had some impact, but in terms of what they
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Speaker 1: were able to accomplish in the portal, I feel like
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Speaker 1: last spring, and I'm probably guilty of this, you may
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Speaker 1: have been guilty of it when you talked about the team,
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Speaker 1: but I think we all kind of talked ourselves into
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Speaker 1: what was established in terms of the roster, and we
6:21
Speaker 1: kind of looked at some of these guys and we
6:22
Speaker 1: looked at, for example, a Reed Bailey. There was a
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Speaker 1: ton of excitement about him when he committed, and you know,
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Speaker 1: Kentucky wanted him some other high major schools, and he
6:30
Speaker 1: looked at him and said, well, he's not a traditional
6:32
Speaker 1: Big ten five. But Dereese is going to do things different.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's going to go with the small ball
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Speaker 1: lineup and it's going to be fun and a lot
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Speaker 1: of those situations. Taton Conway's another one that I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people were excited about didn't work work out.
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Speaker 1: So this spring, the formula in terms of what they
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Speaker 1: did in terms of putting the roster together feels much different.
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Speaker 1: They went more for high major guys that have produced,
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Speaker 1: with the exception really of Darren Harris, who is a
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Speaker 1: high major guy who played at Duke. Didn't really produce
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Speaker 1: a lot, but you can kind of see the pedigree
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Speaker 1: in terms of the high school ranking. Do you when
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Speaker 1: you look at this portal hall, Obviously it's been ranked.
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Speaker 1: I think I've seen it as high as third nationally,
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Speaker 1: but most places have it in terms of the top
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Speaker 1: ten class wise. If you're an IU basketball fan, do
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Speaker 1: you feel better about what they got in terms of
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Speaker 1: talent wise from this portal class compared to last year?
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Speaker 1: And if so, why is that?
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Speaker 2: Well? Yes, I feel better, and it's because last year,
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Speaker 2: and I was just as guilty as you and others
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Speaker 2: on this I was going off of a theorem that Devrees,
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Speaker 2: having coached at Drake and then having coached at West Virginia,
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Speaker 2: would understand what was needed from a skill and physicality
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Speaker 2: and athleticism perspective to win games at the Big ten level,
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Speaker 2: that he was not bringing in players naively, that he
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Speaker 2: was assembling a roster that was going to be able
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Speaker 2: to compete with what you were going to face the conference.
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Speaker 2: And I was willing to wait because I had no
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Speaker 2: reason to disbelieve that that was the case. And then
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Speaker 2: once you got into conference play, it became very clear
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Speaker 2: that Lamur Wilkerson was an awesome scorer, and Sam Alexis
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Speaker 2: did have the physicality where he could compete on a
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Speaker 2: night in, night out basis, but there were a lot
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Speaker 2: of other pieces that just were not physically or athletically
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Speaker 2: up to the task. And the vast majority of those
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Speaker 2: players came from what we would call mid major schools
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Speaker 2: or lower And so I feel better about what they
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Speaker 2: brought in this year for a couple of reasons. First
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Speaker 2: of all, high major experience and proven production. In a
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Speaker 2: lot of cases, not all the way through, but where
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Speaker 2: there's not proven production at least among the core players,
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Speaker 2: there is at least a pedigree of athleticism, Harris being
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Speaker 2: a former five star, I think prospect and you've got
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Speaker 2: that case with a couple of other folks like these
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Speaker 2: guys were sought after players in the recruiting cycle amongst
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Speaker 2: power conference teams, and so you know, it's one of
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Speaker 2: those deals where I believe that, as we're seeing across
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Speaker 2: college basketball, there's just a certain caliber of athletes you
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Speaker 2: have to have if you're going to really be competitive
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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten and the SEC in the ACC
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Speaker 2: to some degree, and this looks closer to what you
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Speaker 2: would see on other rosters than what we've seen, frankly
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Speaker 2: in quite a while. And I think the question still is, well,
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Speaker 2: a can they mesh and coalesce and be You've got
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Speaker 2: several players, for instance, out of the ACC, which is
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Speaker 2: not the strongest conference in college basketball right now, So
9:41
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a reserve in my
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Speaker 2: brain about, well, did they get the best of the
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Speaker 2: second tier of players? Maybe they did, but this is
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Speaker 2: where you're kind of out of excuses if you're Darren
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Speaker 2: DeVries and the coaching staff already, which sounds sad to say,
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Speaker 2: but in an era where talent evaluation is so vital
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Speaker 2: where you have to be able to figure out very quickly,
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Speaker 2: and where we've seen, like at the University of Kentucky,
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Speaker 2: like we see what happens when that doesn't work. This
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Speaker 2: is one of those situations where I'll be willing to
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Speaker 2: go along with it and think, yes, I think this
10:15
Speaker 2: is the direction that they needed to go and that
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Speaker 2: they've done a good job with it. But obviously we'll
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Speaker 2: have to wait and see when the rubber meets the road,
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Speaker 2: and I guess, maybe more to the point, when the
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Speaker 2: shoes hit the floor.
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Speaker 1: In November. When we talked to Derez a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, you know, I asked him just point blank,
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Speaker 1: what was maybe what he learned from maybe the last
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Speaker 1: two cycles in terms of portal recruiting, because he's kind
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Speaker 1: of had to do the flip the whole roster thing now.
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Speaker 1: I think three straight years he did at West Virginia
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Speaker 1: with the brand new team. He did it last year
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Speaker 1: in Indiana, a brand new team again this year in Indiana,
10:48
Speaker 1: brand new team. And one of the things he brought
10:50
Speaker 1: up was just what felt different about this year is
10:53
Speaker 1: he actually had a staff in place and kind of
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Speaker 1: the infrastructure. Do you think that. Do you think there's
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Speaker 1: any merit to that and in terms of what they
11:03
Speaker 1: were able to put together from the portal class this year,
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Speaker 1: because I think back to last year and you know,
11:08
Speaker 1: I looked at some of these days. I think Rod
11:10
Speaker 1: Clark was hired into April, Kenny Johnson was a little
11:15
Speaker 1: bit into April, and then and you look at this year,
11:20
Speaker 1: that first weekend when they could have guys on campus,
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Speaker 1: I think they had three or four guys on campus,
11:23
Speaker 1: and then those commitments started. I think it was a
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Speaker 1: three day span where they got six players. It wasn't
11:28
Speaker 1: like that last year. And then you know, last year,
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Speaker 1: the commitments kind of kept trickling in, but then you
11:33
Speaker 1: look at the quality of those players, Like as time
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Speaker 1: went on, I felt like the quality of the player
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Speaker 1: diminished over time, so it was almost like they were
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Speaker 1: picking the best of what was left over. And even
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Speaker 1: watching now, what's the portal has kind of ground to
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Speaker 1: a hault at this point in terms of commitments and
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Speaker 1: you look at it, there's five or six happening every day,
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Speaker 1: but the quality of the player has gone down so much.
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Speaker 1: But I'm curious to you if you buy that argument
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Speaker 1: that maybe last year was underwhelming in terms of what
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Speaker 1: they were able to get based on needing to have
12:06
Speaker 1: to put the staff together and you know, just trying
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Speaker 1: to get acclimated to the new job. It seemed like
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Speaker 1: this year. I do buy the fact that they were
12:15
Speaker 1: a little bit more prepared, but that should be kind
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Speaker 1: of a given based on being in the job for
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Speaker 1: a year.
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Speaker 2: So I buy the argument that not having the staff
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Speaker 2: together and people remember, I think that the plan was
12:30
Speaker 2: they were going to bring in a particular coach, the assistant,
12:36
Speaker 2: the recruiting assistant at Alabama whose name is escaping me,
12:40
Speaker 2: Preston Murphy, thank you, And that negotiation went on apparently,
12:44
Speaker 2: or at least it seemed like, for about a week
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Speaker 2: and a half, and then it didn't happen. Then they
12:48
Speaker 2: were going to pivot to a different assistant from Texas Tech. Yep,
12:53
Speaker 2: that didn't happen, and then you had Kenny Johnson hired,
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Speaker 2: and then things started to happen. I buy the idea
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Speaker 2: that that put their portal recruitment process behind because Devrees
13:03
Speaker 2: was not hired particularly late. We did a whole breakdown
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Speaker 2: on this on Crimson Cast, and he was I mean,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't hired as early as say Jay Lucas at Miami,
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Speaker 2: but he was hired pretty darn early compared to other coaches.
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Speaker 2: Where I don't buy it as an excuse is if
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Speaker 2: you understand how the portal process works, and Devrees should have,
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Speaker 2: because as you just noted, he went through this at
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Speaker 2: West Virginia the previous year. You have to have a
13:31
Speaker 2: staff in place, or at least a core person who's
13:34
Speaker 2: on campus working on your behalf, working on the program's behalf,
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Speaker 2: from the moment you get there, in advance of when
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Speaker 2: that portal comes open, and so I do think that
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Speaker 2: it was a situation where they got harmed by not
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Speaker 2: having it. I just don't particularly feel sympathetic to the
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Speaker 2: excuse for that, because I think you can do those
13:55
Speaker 2: types of negotiations for a day or two, but when
13:57
Speaker 2: time is ticking and you know you've got to be
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Speaker 2: in competition for players, you've just got to act faster.
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Speaker 2: I do think that perhaps there was a feeling that
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Speaker 2: the brand of Indiana was perhaps going to pull players
14:11
Speaker 2: in a way that would compensate for that. And I
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Speaker 2: also don't think that they expected to wait as long
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Speaker 2: as they did, And I'm sure there were things that
14:18
Speaker 2: went on behind the scenes that we don't know about
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Speaker 2: that made delays. And I get all that, and look,
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Speaker 2: I'm not blaming anybody. I just don't think if you're
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Speaker 2: in a place like Indiana, I just don't think that
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Speaker 2: that's a reasonable excuse given what we already knew about
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Speaker 2: how the portal works.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we saw plenty of other examples of first
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Speaker 1: year coaches around the country who had to do I
14:35
Speaker 1: don't want to say they had to bring in as
14:37
Speaker 1: many players because I think most of them at least
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Speaker 1: retained a little bit, which Indiana did not for various
14:43
Speaker 1: reasons that we won't get into, just kind of based
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Speaker 1: on going from a completely different style of play players
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Speaker 1: that were clearly some of them, a lot of them
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Speaker 1: I think Indiana probably didn't want back to begin with.
14:54
Speaker 1: But anyway, there was plenty of other examples from coaches
14:57
Speaker 1: around the country that made the tournament their first year
14:59
Speaker 1: that kind I had to do a rebuild, a quick rebuild.
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Speaker 1: So fast forward to what they actually got from this
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Speaker 1: portal class, and Marcus Burton and Aiden Scharrell seem like
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Speaker 1: kind of the headliners in terms of what they're able
15:13
Speaker 1: to bring to the table. Just what of what you
15:17
Speaker 1: know about those two. What I guess intrigues you the
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Speaker 1: most about Burton and Cherrell And in terms of the
15:24
Speaker 1: roster at hole, maybe what are your biggest question marks
15:27
Speaker 1: in terms of what could be missing or what potential
15:31
Speaker 1: pitfalls they could run into next season with the team
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Speaker 1: they've assembled.
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Speaker 2: I think the biggest question mark with Burton is does
15:37
Speaker 2: he have an injury problem or is you know, did
15:40
Speaker 2: he just have a situation where he had an injury
15:43
Speaker 2: and that he's such a talented player that I'm I
15:49
Speaker 2: tend to think that if from from the way the
15:51
Speaker 2: injuries happened, that it was a situation where perhaps you know,
15:56
Speaker 2: it's not something that's going to be recurring. These were
15:59
Speaker 2: kind of unavoidable things. But I think you'd be remiss
16:02
Speaker 2: by if you didn't mention the injury issue and the
16:05
Speaker 2: fact that he only played ten games last year, So
16:08
Speaker 2: you're taking it somewhat on faith that he's going to
16:10
Speaker 2: be the player that he looked like he was going
16:12
Speaker 2: to be at the start of the year last year
16:15
Speaker 2: for Notre Dame. I also would say that, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm curious how he looks in an environment where he's
16:23
Speaker 2: got I think a more talented team around him. So
16:27
Speaker 2: you might have bought low on a player who really
16:30
Speaker 2: has a high ceiling, and I do think that that
16:32
Speaker 2: is exciting. I think the fact that this is a
16:34
Speaker 2: guy that Darren Devrees was very familiar with, you know, famously,
16:38
Speaker 2: Drake was his first offer, and Devrees was there when
16:41
Speaker 2: he made the offer. So those things I don't think
16:44
Speaker 2: that I think they went in eyes wide open. This
16:46
Speaker 2: was clearly a guy that they had targeted. And the
16:47
Speaker 2: fact that Houston was also interested in Marcus Burton and
16:51
Speaker 2: he came to Indiana instead tells us a lot. I
16:54
Speaker 2: don't think it was just him coming because the nil
16:56
Speaker 2: check was better or something like that. Charrell, I think
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Speaker 2: this is one. This is the type of player. I
17:04
Speaker 2: kind of feel the same way about him. This will
17:06
Speaker 2: sound weird, I know, but I feel the same about
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Speaker 2: him that I feel felt about Omar Balo. It's a
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Speaker 2: player that you watched and you're like, wow, we never
17:14
Speaker 2: get players like that at Indiana, and now we've got
17:16
Speaker 2: him on the roster at Indiana. And you look at
17:20
Speaker 2: his numbers, you look at his size. I mean, to
17:22
Speaker 2: be six' eleven and to be that efficient of a,
17:25
Speaker 2: scorer to be a great offensive, rebounder but also to
17:28
Speaker 2: be a guy that seems to want to play a
17:31
Speaker 2: bit outside because he knows that that's the type of
17:33
Speaker 2: game he's going to have to have if he's going
17:35
Speaker 2: to make it in THE. Nba that's going to present
17:38
Speaker 2: some interesting. Challenges BUT i also think this is one
17:40
Speaker 2: of those talents that you, Know Nate oates has done
17:44
Speaker 2: a great job of finding exactly the right types of
17:46
Speaker 2: guys that can play modern basketball at a championship level
17:50
Speaker 2: At alabama the last few. Years and to be able
17:51
Speaker 2: to pull this guy away and have him come To
17:54
Speaker 2: indiana IS i think a sign that there is a
17:57
Speaker 2: belief that What Darren DeVries and his staff want to
18:00
Speaker 2: do can get players to the next level and can
18:03
Speaker 2: put them in a position to. Succeed, so you, know,
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Speaker 2: YEAH i think that those two guys are definitely the,
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Speaker 2: headliners AND i Am i'm excited about both of them
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Speaker 2: being In indiana. Uniform i'm also Really i'm quite interested
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Speaker 2: in Uh In yeguitolu FROM. Smu this is another player
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Speaker 2: the likes of which we just haven't seen that much At.
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Speaker 2: INDIANA a seven to two guy who's.
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Speaker 1: Has there ever been a seven to two guy In.
18:29
Speaker 2: Indiana we debated this and AND i believe Uve blop
18:33
Speaker 2: was only seven, one but there's there is there is
18:38
Speaker 2: disagreement in the statistics from back in the. Day His
18:42
Speaker 2: MAVs stats have him at seven to, one SO i
18:44
Speaker 2: doubt he shrank between college and THE. Nba so, yeah
18:47
Speaker 2: he might be the tallest certainly the tallest STARTER i
18:49
Speaker 2: think That indiana's ever brought. In and you know this
18:53
Speaker 2: is you're gonna have a non traditional four and a
18:57
Speaker 2: non traditional five the way that this roster is laid,
19:00
Speaker 2: Out And i'm excited about that because that really is
19:03
Speaker 2: to some, DEGREE i think What Darren davrez's offense is
19:07
Speaker 2: most likely to thrive with is mismatches and being able
19:12
Speaker 2: to drag players off the. Perimeter you, know you could
19:15
Speaker 2: tell is not a guy who's going to shoot from,
19:16
Speaker 2: outside so he's going to offer a little bit more
19:18
Speaker 2: classic grim. Protection but he's also a really good. SCORER i,
19:21
Speaker 2: mean he shot sixty three percent from two last. Year
19:24
Speaker 2: that's that's really really. Exciting and he also pulls down
19:26
Speaker 2: a ton of offensive. REBOUNDS i do think that this
19:29
Speaker 2: has a chance to be based upon the players they brought.
19:31
Speaker 2: In from a statistical profile, perspective a different type of
19:37
Speaker 2: team than perhaps we've seen From Darren. Devrees you go
19:41
Speaker 2: back and look At derees's history on Ken, pom and
19:45
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i love is if you click on
19:46
Speaker 2: the coach, name it'll line up like everything that they've
19:50
Speaker 2: done in offensive and defensive efficiency throughout his whole career
19:53
Speaker 2: and outside of a couple of years At, drake this
19:57
Speaker 2: is a coach that has treated offensive rebound funding as
20:01
Speaker 2: not that important.
20:02
Speaker 1: HISTORICALLY i, mean of.
20:03
Speaker 2: The four factors that make up what statistically we think
20:08
Speaker 2: leads to efficient play in college, basketball which is effective
20:12
Speaker 2: field goal, percentage turnover, percentage offensive rebounding, percentage and free throw.
20:15
Speaker 2: Rate his teams have essentially not cared about offensive. Rebounding
20:20
Speaker 2: Mike woodson's teams didn't care about offensive rebounding, either and
20:24
Speaker 2: so this could be a much different looking roster as
20:26
Speaker 2: a result of. It SO i am really interested in.
20:28
Speaker 2: THAT i like the complimentary. PIECES i Think Bryce lindsay
20:31
Speaker 2: is sneakily an excellent pickup and a guy that kind
20:34
Speaker 2: of came in off the radar from where we thought
20:37
Speaker 2: things were. Going And i'm Really i'm intrigued By Jaden
20:40
Speaker 2: mustaf From Georgia. Tech And i'm also intrigued by whether
20:43
Speaker 2: any of the guys that were already technically on the,
20:45
Speaker 2: roster whether that was trans, sistently or any of the incoming,
20:48
Speaker 2: freshmen can. Contribute you asked me about, like where AM i.
20:52
Speaker 2: Nervous i'm nervous about the lack of post, depth BUT
20:57
Speaker 2: i think that that's something that a lot of people
20:58
Speaker 2: across the country are going to be nervous. About one
21:01
Speaker 2: of the things we noticed in college football is there's
21:03
Speaker 2: very little traditional depth even among the top programs in college,
21:07
Speaker 2: football because it all transferred away to go get playing time.
21:10
Speaker 2: Elsewhere that is essentially what you're going to see with
21:13
Speaker 2: all but the elite teams in college basketball this upcoming.
21:18
Speaker 2: Year you, Know i'm Sure michigan And yukon And duke
21:21
Speaker 2: and a couple of other teams are going to be
21:23
Speaker 2: pretty stocked in the post and have guys that can
21:25
Speaker 2: bring it off the. Bench, INDIANA i think that when
21:28
Speaker 2: they have to Spell yugatolu Or, sharell they're probably bringing
21:32
Speaker 2: in a smaller lineup and they're playing more small ball
21:35
Speaker 2: because they're gonna have. To but that might not be
21:37
Speaker 2: a bad. Thing so you know anything beyond. That, again
21:40
Speaker 2: it's just, like who's Your do you have a regular
21:43
Speaker 2: number two ball handler Behind? Burton that would be the
21:47
Speaker 2: other thing THAT i would look for who takes on that.
21:49
Speaker 2: Role there seem like there's three or four guys who
21:50
Speaker 2: could do. It i'm just curious who ends up being
21:53
Speaker 2: the one that does.
21:54
Speaker 1: It, yeah the one, thing a couple of THINGS i.
21:58
Speaker 1: Had someone asked me, recently like about the post, steps
22:01
Speaker 1: and my answer to them, was you, KNOW i not
22:06
Speaker 1: to Say i'm doing this with anybody, anybody BUT i
22:09
Speaker 1: tracked The Big ten rosters probably as closely as anybody
22:11
Speaker 1: in the offseason BECAUSE i put myself through this exercise
22:13
Speaker 1: WHERE i basically track every move and just SO i
22:15
Speaker 1: know what's going on with every team BECAUSE i feel
22:18
Speaker 1: LIKE i need to know about the league and know
22:20
Speaker 1: what's going on and. Everything and, so you, KNOW i
22:23
Speaker 1: just took a quick look when someone asked me that
22:25
Speaker 1: at the Other big ten, teams and there's not like
22:29
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that have two big players Like
22:32
Speaker 1: indiana of that caliber on their. ROSTER i, mean there's
22:35
Speaker 1: obviously teams with good big. Men but so my question
22:39
Speaker 1: back to that person, was would you rather Have indiana
22:42
Speaker 1: spent their money on four big guys that were maybe
22:47
Speaker 1: not as good as those two and spread the money
22:49
Speaker 1: around that because you only have a finite amount of
22:51
Speaker 1: money to, Spend SO i would rather get the two
22:53
Speaker 1: guys who Are power five starters THAT i know can,
22:57
Speaker 1: help and then try to fill in the gaps the
22:59
Speaker 1: BEST i. Can the other THING i would, say just
23:00
Speaker 1: in general about the roster THAT i THINK i like
23:03
Speaker 1: better than about this year and last, year is it
23:06
Speaker 1: seemed like they've kind of taken most of their resources
23:09
Speaker 1: and spent them on six or seven players rather than
23:12
Speaker 1: trying to spend out to like the tenth or eleventh
23:15
Speaker 1: the last couple of guys that they've. ADDED i don't
23:17
Speaker 1: know this for a, fact but my guess is they're
23:19
Speaker 1: coming for a scholarship and not much more than. That
23:23
Speaker 1: AND i think with the fact that they Retain sicily
23:27
Speaker 1: and they've got the three, FRESHMEN i think ideally they're
23:32
Speaker 1: going to need to play the six guys that they
23:34
Speaker 1: got from the portal Play cicily and then hope that
23:37
Speaker 1: one or two of the freshmen can give you minutes
23:39
Speaker 1: and there's your eight and nine in the. Rotation Because
23:41
Speaker 1: i'm also thinking ahead to the. Future if you want
23:45
Speaker 1: to have this model of bringing in freshmen and have
23:48
Speaker 1: them grow in your, program at some point you have
23:50
Speaker 1: to play them and give them an. Opportunity otherwise they're
23:53
Speaker 1: just gonna leave and you're going to continue to have
23:55
Speaker 1: yourself in this position where you have to fill the whole.
23:57
Speaker 1: Roster SO i actually hope that whether it Be Prince Alexander,
24:01
Speaker 1: moody whether it Be Man, hurts or whether it Be Von,
24:03
Speaker 1: carbala that one or two of those guys at least
24:07
Speaker 1: can give you seven to ten minutes a game regularly
24:11
Speaker 1: and have a plan to develop for the. Future because
24:14
Speaker 1: that was one of the more disappointing things to me
24:16
Speaker 1: about last season WAS i kind of understood what happened
24:19
Speaker 1: With Trent sisly later in the season where he wasn't.
24:21
Speaker 1: Playing obviously they were trying to make a. Tournament Tucker
24:23
Speaker 1: devrees got pretty much all those, minutes was playing forty
24:26
Speaker 1: minutes a lot of. Games Trent sisly wasn't getting off the,
24:29
Speaker 1: Bench but in terms of, development it didn't really Help
24:32
Speaker 1: Trent sisily for this. Year So i'm hoping that some
24:35
Speaker 1: of those younger players can get an opportunity and you
24:38
Speaker 1: spend the money on the core five or six. PLAYERS
24:41
Speaker 1: i don't know what siscely, costs but freshmen aren't not
24:43
Speaker 1: nearly as expensive as a portal. Guy you got to
24:45
Speaker 1: help that some of those younger players develop and give you.
24:47
Speaker 2: Something, YEAH i, mean the point about there not being
24:51
Speaker 2: a lot of development is another flaw with the approach
24:55
Speaker 2: from last, year and AGAIN i think it was a calculated,
24:58
Speaker 2: gamble but the fact that they brought so many players
25:01
Speaker 2: in who can have a couple of years if they
25:03
Speaker 2: stick around or more is important because you just can't
25:08
Speaker 2: keep flipping the roster every single. Year it's not economically
25:11
Speaker 2: viable AND i don't think it's developmentally viable. Either and
25:14
Speaker 2: you've got to have people who will advocate for the
25:18
Speaker 2: program amongst the current. Players when you're talking to either
25:22
Speaker 2: incoming recruits or you're talking to portal players next, year
25:26
Speaker 2: you'd rather be topping it off with a couple of
25:28
Speaker 2: players to add to the mix and have your current players, saying, hey,
25:31
Speaker 2: man come join, us we're Having we've got a great
25:32
Speaker 2: thing going. Here whereas this, YEAR i, mean you essentially had.
25:36
Speaker 2: Nobody you Had Trent, sisley who didn't play for the
25:38
Speaker 2: last half of the season more or, less and nobody
25:41
Speaker 2: else stuck, around so you need that AND i think
25:44
Speaker 2: it's a much smarter, approach AND i agree with you
25:48
Speaker 2: in terms of the resource. Allocation there's not an unlimited
25:52
Speaker 2: amount of, money AND i think people would be surprised
25:55
Speaker 2: at the number of players that You i'm sure people
26:00
Speaker 2: Wanted indiana to go try and get players that would
26:03
Speaker 2: not have been worth the money that they ended up getting.
26:05
Speaker 2: Elsewhere they wouldn't have been worth the money that you
26:08
Speaker 2: spent to bring them in because they wouldn't have been
26:10
Speaker 2: playing regularly enough to warrant. IT i think that they
26:14
Speaker 2: fell into a little bit of that problem last year
26:16
Speaker 2: just by a happenstance of how they brought certain players
26:20
Speaker 2: in and when they brought them in and what roles
26:21
Speaker 2: they were trying to. FILL i think they were a lot,
26:24
Speaker 2: smarter at least on, paper with the types of guys
26:27
Speaker 2: they went and, got the budget that they, utilized where
26:30
Speaker 2: they allocated their money and where they didn't allocate their.
26:33
Speaker 2: Money we're all kind of learning this on the. Fly
26:37
Speaker 2: salary cap, management for lack of a better, term in college,
26:40
Speaker 2: basketball it's a, reality and one of the realities is
26:44
Speaker 2: even the richest programs can't just buy. Everybody you, know
26:48
Speaker 2: there is No Texas tech equivalent right now in college
26:51
Speaker 2: basketball except Maybe Texas tech, itself you. Know but the
26:56
Speaker 2: idea of there has to be some discipline and who
26:59
Speaker 2: you go out and. Get and unless you are a,
27:02
Speaker 2: top top, program you're not gonna get guys to come
27:05
Speaker 2: for money less money than they would and just sit
27:09
Speaker 2: behind other. Guys and so you are dealing, with as you,
27:13
Speaker 2: mentioned a lack of depth, everywhere and you'd really rather
27:16
Speaker 2: focus your money on the starters and the guys that
27:19
Speaker 2: are going to play and hope that you can figure
27:21
Speaker 2: it out as you, go knowing that almost everybody else
27:24
Speaker 2: you're playing is going to be in the same.
27:25
Speaker 1: Boat, Yeah and people like to point out now, that,
27:28
Speaker 1: well these guys can be around for two years if
27:30
Speaker 1: five and five, passes several of them could be around
27:33
Speaker 1: hypothetically for three, years which would BE i think even
27:36
Speaker 1: better for continuity if they're players don't work. Out BUT
27:39
Speaker 1: i do like the fact that they brought in more
27:42
Speaker 1: guys with multiple years of. Eligibility the last GUY i
27:45
Speaker 1: wanted to just get your thoughts on what are this
27:48
Speaker 1: was the guy that going back to the season THAT
27:50
Speaker 1: i was looking at just based on where he, was
27:54
Speaker 1: AND i knew that there was a connection potentially With Kenny.
27:57
Speaker 1: Johnson But Darren harris coming in From, duke what do
28:00
Speaker 1: you make of that signing and the fact that they
28:03
Speaker 1: make it's kind of it kind of feels like a
28:05
Speaker 1: bi low situation with a guy WHO i don't want
28:08
Speaker 1: to call him a distressed, asset but you look at
28:10
Speaker 1: who he went Into duke, with you, Know Cooper, Flag Konka,
28:14
Speaker 1: nipple he another, Guy Isaiah evans who's going to be
28:16
Speaker 1: a top pick in this year's. Draft these are the
28:18
Speaker 1: guys that he was competing with for. Minutes AND i
28:20
Speaker 1: think he looked at the situation At duke and, said you,
28:23
Speaker 1: KNOW i played a little bit more as a. SOPHOMORE
28:24
Speaker 1: i could probably go back as a junior and play fifteen,
28:27
Speaker 1: minutes BUT i could go To indiana potentially and play
28:30
Speaker 1: twenty eight or thirty. Minutes and you look at the
28:32
Speaker 1: film from high school and you, say this was a
28:35
Speaker 1: guy that coming out was built as one of the
28:37
Speaker 1: top shooters in the. Country duke. Doesn't the THING i
28:40
Speaker 1: like about the fact that he went To duke is
28:41
Speaker 1: Because duke doesn't usually recruit anybody that can't play at that.
28:45
Speaker 1: Level the opportunity just wasn't. There so he's a guy
28:48
Speaker 1: That i'm kind of looking. AT i don't want to
28:50
Speaker 1: say AN x, factor but he's a swing. Guy you,
28:51
Speaker 1: know if he comes in and he's twelve to fourteen
28:54
Speaker 1: points a game and shooting thirty seven or thirty eight
28:57
Speaker 1: percent for, three all of a, sudden you're feeling a
28:59
Speaker 1: lot better about the upside of your. Team.
29:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, LOOK i think my feeling on him is essentially
29:07
Speaker 2: it's worth taking the flyer on, him and you'd rather
29:12
Speaker 2: roll with guys that had a high ceiling coming out
29:17
Speaker 2: of high. School this is a and you, know he
29:19
Speaker 2: played twenty two percent of the available minutes that were
29:22
Speaker 2: that he had last, year so it wasn't like he never.
29:24
Speaker 2: Played he just wasn't a key. Player and That's it's
29:29
Speaker 2: one of those. DEALS i think you'll you'll see this
29:32
Speaker 2: sometimes at certain. Programs you see it in football all the.
29:36
Speaker 2: TIME i, Mean Ohio state brings in huge classes of
29:39
Speaker 2: five stars and four stars and they don't all end
29:41
Speaker 2: up panning out and they. TRANSFER i, mean, Ironically Ohio
29:46
Speaker 2: state's quarterback is a guy who started At alabama and
29:49
Speaker 2: transferred because there was going to be a better opportunity
29:51
Speaker 2: to play somewhere. Else and SO i Am i'm curious
29:55
Speaker 2: about what he might be able to. Do AND i
29:58
Speaker 2: think that the the fact that he doesn't have to necessarily,
30:02
Speaker 2: start but probably as being penciled in as a, starter
30:07
Speaker 2: it probably bodes well for His like it's both protection
30:12
Speaker 2: For indiana because if it just doesn't pan, out if
30:15
Speaker 2: there was something that stunted his growth and development into
30:18
Speaker 2: a regular player At, duke then you're not completely up
30:22
Speaker 2: the river having brought him on the, roster but you're
30:26
Speaker 2: also going to give him every opportunity to take advantage
30:28
Speaker 2: of what's there in terms of playing, time and if
30:32
Speaker 2: his skill set can be, unlocked THEN i really like
30:36
Speaker 2: What i'm. SAYING i, MEAN i try to think back
30:37
Speaker 2: to What duke players have had that type of a,
30:41
Speaker 2: profile And i've been going back a few. YEARS i
30:44
Speaker 2: haven't found a, ton but you, know even The duke
30:46
Speaker 2: players that were playing somewhat regularly and decided to transfer
30:49
Speaker 2: because they were getting recruited over Like Mark mitchell is
30:51
Speaker 2: a good example of. This you Know Mark, mitchell you
30:54
Speaker 2: know played two YEARS i think started maybe all the
30:58
Speaker 2: games in both seasons and played a majority of. Minutes
31:02
Speaker 2: transferred TO missoo the final two years of his career
31:06
Speaker 2: and was a senior this last. Year and it was
31:08
Speaker 2: a really good.
31:08
Speaker 1: Player you.
31:09
Speaker 2: Know it was a key player for That missouri team
31:11
Speaker 2: that ended up making THE ncaa. Tournament SO i think
31:15
Speaker 2: you always have to be a little bit careful when
31:16
Speaker 2: you look at a guy like that Like harris and, say,
31:20
Speaker 2: well he didn't he didn't break through At, duke so
31:22
Speaker 2: he's probably not good enough to play at this. LEVEL
31:24
Speaker 2: i think there's plenty of examples of guys who are good,
31:27
Speaker 2: enough but if you get caught behind players that are
31:30
Speaker 2: better than, you you just never get the. Opportunity and
31:33
Speaker 2: the nice thing about this era is you can go somewhere.
31:35
Speaker 1: Else, Right, yeah last THING i wanted to ask you
31:39
Speaker 1: about kind of a load of, topic BUT i do
31:41
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this BECAUSE i know
31:42
Speaker 1: you're into The you're maybe not into the bracketology scene
31:46
Speaker 1: as much As andy who follows, it you, know starting
31:49
Speaker 1: in Sometimes December, january BUT i know once the nitty
31:52
Speaker 1: gritty gets into, it you're doing your bracket updates and
31:55
Speaker 1: podcasts and making your. Projections what did you make of
31:58
Speaker 1: Theon are you one of those people that says this
32:03
Speaker 1: is gonna damage the tournament some way or A i
32:06
Speaker 1: know we're all gonna watch, Anyway but what kind of
32:09
Speaker 1: WHERE i came down on it was my interest in
32:12
Speaker 1: the first four was already pretty limited to the you,
32:15
Speaker 1: know the really the one year That indiana was in,
32:17
Speaker 1: IT i can really say is the only TIME i
32:20
Speaker 1: really watched it start to finish most of the, games
32:23
Speaker 1: and OTHERWISE i kind of just skipped A thursday because to,
32:26
Speaker 1: me Like thursday's the day where the tournament's actually. Starting
32:29
Speaker 1: so the fact that we're gonna have more of this
32:32
Speaker 1: play in uh stuff doesn't really excite. Me but at
32:36
Speaker 1: the end of the, day once we get to the
32:37
Speaker 1: sixty four or whatever it, is it will still be the.
32:39
Speaker 1: Tournament But i'm curious kind of what what you made
32:42
Speaker 1: of this whole situation and if it if it damages
32:45
Speaker 1: the tournament in any.
32:45
Speaker 2: WAY i talked about this With Grace I'm Crimson cast
32:49
Speaker 2: earlier this. WEEK i am pretty agnostic about this from
32:54
Speaker 2: the standpoint THAT i wasn't strongly in favor of. EXPANSION
32:58
Speaker 2: i wasn't strongly opposed to. Expansion i've made the point
33:02
Speaker 2: many times that we've added about one hundred teams To
33:06
Speaker 2: division one since nineteen eighty, five and we've added four
33:10
Speaker 2: tournament teams since then prior to this, expansion WHICH i
33:14
Speaker 2: think that we're missing out on some teams that would
33:18
Speaker 2: probably be able to win a game or. Two and
33:19
Speaker 2: as much as we get caught up in the lead
33:22
Speaker 2: into the tournament about oh, god all these bubble teams
33:24
Speaker 2: are terrible and you, know why are we letting these teams?
33:27
Speaker 2: In as much as it doesn't look good on the criteria,
33:31
Speaker 2: front we keep seeing teams in playing games win, two,
33:36
Speaker 2: three four games in the. TOURNAMENT i, Mean texas made
33:39
Speaker 2: it to The sweet sixteen and almost knocked Off purdue
33:42
Speaker 2: and started in the playing game this past. Year ucla
33:46
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago made it all the way
33:48
Speaker 2: to The final four and came.
33:50
Speaker 1: Out to, you DIDN'T vc you make it? Once yes they.
33:53
Speaker 2: Did and so that's WHERE i have a hard time
33:56
Speaker 2: with the argument that adding eight teams damage is the
34:00
Speaker 2: tournament in any meaningful. WAY i understand the people who
34:05
Speaker 2: feel like we're letting in teams that don't deserve to be,
34:08
Speaker 2: There Yet i'd also note that when we've let teams
34:11
Speaker 2: in like, that LIKE i just, said sometimes they actually do.
34:14
Speaker 2: Win And i've kind of gotten to the point with
34:17
Speaker 2: bracketology WHERE i do wonder if the criteria that we're
34:21
Speaker 2: using to select the, best like the best teams in
34:24
Speaker 2: the tournament or the most deserving teams are really doing
34:27
Speaker 2: a great job of capturing all of the teams that
34:30
Speaker 2: are capable of contributing something in postseason. Play And i'm
34:34
Speaker 2: not particularly bothered by adding four more games or whatever
34:38
Speaker 2: it would. Be during the opening week before the tournament proper.
34:41
Speaker 2: Starts you might not watch, THEM i might only watch
34:45
Speaker 2: some of. THEM i might watch all of them Because
34:47
Speaker 2: i'm kind of a tournament junkie AND i have been
34:49
Speaker 2: my whole. Life i'm not going to be mad about extra,
34:52
Speaker 2: basketball AND i just feel like when the tournament actually rolls,
34:55
Speaker 2: around everybody's going to collectively shrug their shoulders and just move.
34:58
Speaker 2: FORWARD i really do feel like there's it's it's probably not,
35:06
Speaker 2: ideal BUT i also feel like the vehement disagreement and
35:12
Speaker 2: the proclamations about ruining the tournament that have come from
35:15
Speaker 2: so many circles in, media, especially it's way. OVERBLOWN i
35:19
Speaker 2: JUST i don't see like there's there's there seems to
35:22
Speaker 2: be an, attitude and this happens in college football coverage,
35:25
Speaker 2: too this attitude, that, well we're protecting the. Game someone's
35:30
Speaker 2: got to do. It we're protecting what, works and they're
35:33
Speaker 2: going to ruin it by changing. It and yet there
35:35
Speaker 2: have been so many changes that have happened in college post,
35:38
Speaker 2: seasons whether it's football or, basketball over the last forty.
35:41
Speaker 2: Years what it often turns into is people defending what
35:45
Speaker 2: they grew up with or what they what they came
35:47
Speaker 2: of age being a fan, of and that becomes the
35:50
Speaker 2: thing that has to be, preserved not because it's necessarily
35:54
Speaker 2: been there since time immemorial or that it's absolutely the
35:56
Speaker 2: best way of doing, things but it's because that's what
35:58
Speaker 2: they're comfortable. With and that's WHAT i interpret a lot
36:01
Speaker 2: of the talk around the tournament expansion as. Such so
36:06
Speaker 2: AGAIN i just kind of shrugged my shoulders at and it's, like,
36:09
Speaker 2: WELL i probably at this point wouldn't have said yet
36:12
Speaker 2: expand the, tournament BUT i don't think it matters that
36:14
Speaker 2: much that they.
36:14
Speaker 1: Did do you feel the same way about the college
36:17
Speaker 1: football playoff or is that a different discussion.
36:19
Speaker 2: NOW i actually think they should expand the college Football,
36:22
Speaker 2: playoff and it's largely BECAUSE i don't think that twelve
36:26
Speaker 2: games gives us anywhere close to a clear sense of
36:31
Speaker 2: who the best teams in college football, are especially with
36:34
Speaker 2: sixteen and eighteen team conferences where you're only playing fifty
36:37
Speaker 2: to six percent of your conference schedule in the regular.
36:40
Speaker 2: SEASON i, mean you look at this upcoming. Year it's
36:44
Speaker 2: Like indiana doesn't Play. Oregon we're not going to see
36:47
Speaker 2: that in the regular. Season the idea that we're going
36:50
Speaker 2: to capture everything that happens in college football in a
36:52
Speaker 2: twelve game span and then figure out what the twelve
36:55
Speaker 2: best teams are out of one hundred and thirty six
36:58
Speaker 2: to play for the for the. Championship, again like last,
37:02
Speaker 2: Year miami barely made the field and made it all
37:06
Speaker 2: the way to the national championship. Game in, football we
37:08
Speaker 2: keep getting evidence that the way that we've done things
37:11
Speaker 2: hasn't really been, sufficient and we just don't have enough
37:14
Speaker 2: evidence from the regular. SEASON i don't think to tell
37:16
Speaker 2: us definitively by the end of a twelve game. Season
37:19
Speaker 2: SO i am one of those people THAT i am the.
37:23
Speaker 2: Enemy i've been told BECAUSE i am fine with expansion
37:26
Speaker 2: in both, sports AND i think it actually be better
37:28
Speaker 2: and gives a lot more fan bases something to be
37:30
Speaker 2: excited about when tournament time comes. Around So i'm happy
37:34
Speaker 2: to wear the crown of the, ENEMY i guess in
37:36
Speaker 2: this case Because i'm all for the extra.
37:37
Speaker 1: Opportunity, Yeah i'm not for, it but not also not
37:40
Speaker 1: one of the people that necessarily is going to make
37:43
Speaker 1: some grand proclamation that the tournament's, ruined, because LIKE i,
37:47
Speaker 1: said at the end of the, day once we get
37:49
Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty of, it everyone's going to tune,
37:51
Speaker 1: In everyone's going to be. Excited everyone who's in their
37:53
Speaker 1: survivor pool or their bracket challenge is still going to
37:56
Speaker 1: be locked. In THE tv ratings will still be. GREAT i.
37:58
Speaker 1: Mean the only thing that concerns me specific to college,
38:03
Speaker 1: basketball and maybe the same in college football depending on
38:06
Speaker 1: if they go to twenty, four is does it diminish
38:09
Speaker 1: the regular? Season because for college basketball to, me like
38:12
Speaker 1: specific To, indiana it's felt like since we've lost some
38:15
Speaker 1: of the things like The Big TEN Acc, challenge The Gavit,
38:17
Speaker 1: games it almost feels Like november And december outside of
38:21
Speaker 1: the Two Big ten, games and maybe this is specific
38:23
Speaker 1: To indiana and how they've, scheduled but the season hasn't
38:27
Speaker 1: really seemed to take on any meaning Until Big ten
38:30
Speaker 1: play starts, Up and SO i wonder if you, know
38:33
Speaker 1: by letting more teams, in if you diminished the regular season.
38:36
Speaker 1: Anyway but, again it's only eight more, Teams so that's
38:39
Speaker 1: a whole nother. Discussion but that's kind of my only
38:42
Speaker 1: pushback on.
38:42
Speaker 2: IT i, mean my response to, THAT i think it's
38:47
Speaker 2: a reasonable perspective is the regular seasons in both of
38:52
Speaker 2: these sports are not great, anyway regardless of what the
38:56
Speaker 2: postseason looks. Like and you, know this is where again
39:00
Speaker 2: WHEN i go back to the college football side of,
39:02
Speaker 2: things the conferences are too big and you only play
39:06
Speaker 2: at home or, away like there's not a round. Robin
39:09
Speaker 2: it's an incomplete picture a college. Basketball you, know most
39:14
Speaker 2: college basketball programs at the power conference level schedule a
39:17
Speaker 2: bunch of games that their fans don't want so that
39:20
Speaker 2: they can make ticket revenue to pay for everything. Else
39:24
Speaker 2: no one seems to care about. That, Like i'm less
39:27
Speaker 2: concerned about seventy six teams and more concerned about the
39:30
Speaker 2: number of low major opponents that Most Power conference teams
39:33
Speaker 2: play on a yearly, basis and when my ticket package
39:36
Speaker 2: comes in THAT i just renewed FROM iu, BASKETBALL i
39:40
Speaker 2: know there's going to be about seven or eight games
39:43
Speaker 2: That i'm paying good money for THAT i could frankly
39:46
Speaker 2: care less. About you, know you.
39:48
Speaker 1: Can't you. Can't you can't sell those games, EITHER i
39:50
Speaker 1: mean if you're a ticket. HOLDER i mean that's that's the.
39:52
Speaker 1: Thing Is like, yesterday This Diamond cup idea came, out
39:55
Speaker 1: and it's like the first THING i start Seeing in
39:57
Speaker 1: responses to the brief rite, up it, was, well there
40:01
Speaker 1: goes even less reason for me to have season tickets
40:04
Speaker 1: to buy you. BASKETBALL i mean The marque home games
40:06
Speaker 1: the last two seasons have been Like South carolina And Kansas. State,
40:11
Speaker 1: YEAH i MEAN i want to get excited about that's a.
40:13
Speaker 1: Problem it, is and SO i. AM i find it to.
40:17
Speaker 1: Be you WERE i just want to make clear you
40:19
Speaker 1: were not making this, argument but you were bringing it.
40:21
Speaker 1: Up but when people argue that expanding the postseason diminishes
40:26
Speaker 1: the regular season in either of these, Sports i'm, like
40:28
Speaker 1: that sounds. Great why don't we fix the regular season
40:30
Speaker 1: first and then talk about, that because it's we are
40:35
Speaker 1: hanging on to scheduling practices and principles that are, two,
40:40
Speaker 1: three four decades out of date because there's nobody in
40:43
Speaker 1: charge of either. Sport there's, nobody there's nobody in charge
40:47
Speaker 1: of how this stuff. Operates AND i would take the
40:50
Speaker 1: arguments that the regular season is being diminished more seriously
40:54
Speaker 1: if anybody was around to be accountable for what they've
40:57
Speaker 1: done to the regular seasons in both. Sports, YEAH i
41:00
Speaker 1: MEAN i think college. BASKETBALL i mean The Big, ten for,
41:03
Speaker 1: example there's eighteen. Teams how much different would the regular
41:06
Speaker 1: season and The Big ten feel like if there was
41:08
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty eight regular Season Big ten? Games
41:10
Speaker 1: you actually get close to a regular Season Big ten
41:14
Speaker 1: champion that, was you, know actually won the title by
41:18
Speaker 1: playing a somewhat equitable. Schedule same thing with. Football what
41:21
Speaker 1: if there was actually Twelve Big ten conference games in
41:24
Speaker 1: football rather than you, KNOW i understand Why indiana schedules
41:28
Speaker 1: like it does in a non, conference but the season
41:30
Speaker 1: doesn't start until game. Four the three three first, games
41:33
Speaker 1: especially Utter signetty maybe Under prereister, games those games could
41:37
Speaker 1: have been, competitive but they're going to walk through the
41:39
Speaker 1: first three games and then we're going to start learning
41:41
Speaker 1: something in potentially game.
41:42
Speaker 2: Four there are three. Teams indiana gets homes and home
41:47
Speaker 2: and away games versus in the basketball season this, Year, Maryland,
41:51
Speaker 2: northwestern And.
41:52
Speaker 1: Purdue so every other game.
41:55
Speaker 2: Is either you will either play the other team at
41:58
Speaker 2: home only or away. Only this is this is not
42:02
Speaker 2: apples versus. Oranges this is like apples versus. Dolphins like
42:06
Speaker 2: there's no there's no how do you compare in? It?
42:09
Speaker 2: Right conference records are essentially meaningless because there's no comparative,
42:15
Speaker 2: points or very few comparative points in terms of how
42:19
Speaker 2: good these teams actually. Are so this is actually to
42:23
Speaker 2: me a great argument for expanding the postseasons in both,
42:26
Speaker 2: sports because the conferences have gotten so big and there
42:29
Speaker 2: are so few actual comparative points team to. Team i'd
42:33
Speaker 2: rather put them all in a tournament at the end
42:35
Speaker 2: of the, day because that at least gives us some
42:38
Speaker 2: opportunity to, say, well these two teams, played and this
42:41
Speaker 2: team is definitively, better and THAT i think is what
42:44
Speaker 2: we're supposed to be doing in.
42:45
Speaker 1: Postseasons. Anyway for, sure you've talked me into, It, Klen
42:49
Speaker 1: i'm coming over to your, Side so don't don't let
42:51
Speaker 1: the national guys go that are know that are upset
42:54
Speaker 1: about this. Expansion but, again it's it's supposed to be.
42:57
Speaker 1: Fun it's supposed to be sports when it gets to the.
42:59
Speaker 1: POSTSEASON i, mean the college football plays last year obviously
43:02
Speaker 1: biased Because indiana was in and it was a ton
43:04
Speaker 1: of fun to. Watch same. Thing, hopefully WHEN iu basketball
43:07
Speaker 1: hopefully gets back in the, tournamently the same. Thing people
43:09
Speaker 1: will watch, it people will, Enjoy it'll be. Fun.
43:11
Speaker 2: Well and it's the greatest thing ABOUT iu football winning
43:14
Speaker 2: the title last year is that there is zero ambiguity
43:17
Speaker 2: That indiana was the best team in college football last.
43:20
Speaker 2: Year there's literally nobody has an argument other than they.
43:24
Speaker 2: Do they didn't lose a. Game they Beat Ohio, state
43:27
Speaker 2: they Beat, oregon they Beat, alabama they Beat miami in
43:31
Speaker 2: the title. Game there's so this is the one situation
43:35
Speaker 2: where even with incomplete, data every computer ranking and all
43:39
Speaker 2: of the game results indicate That indiana was the best
43:42
Speaker 2: team in college football last. Year and WHEN i look at,
43:45
Speaker 2: basketball Like i'll have people, say you, know the tournament,
43:50
Speaker 2: SITUATION i Think Griffin gonzalez was trying to argue this with.
43:52
Speaker 2: Me it's, like, well the tournament is a bad way
43:54
Speaker 2: to decide who the best team in college basketball. Is
43:57
Speaker 2: and it's, like, well if you're trying to decide, who, like,
44:00
Speaker 2: definitively without a question or a shadow of a, doubt
44:03
Speaker 2: is the one hundred percent best team in college. Basketball
44:06
Speaker 2: there are some flaws because you could have teams lose
44:09
Speaker 2: before they get to the title game that might be
44:11
Speaker 2: technically better than the ones that. Did but, again now
44:14
Speaker 2: you're getting into a situation where there's no real way
44:18
Speaker 2: to determine definitively this team is the one hundred percent
44:22
Speaker 2: best unless you play home and away all teams for
44:26
Speaker 2: the entire, season and even then there's variables you could
44:29
Speaker 2: throw in there that would make it so that you
44:31
Speaker 2: couldn't actually. Tell SO i am happy enough with the
44:34
Speaker 2: way the tournament. Works AND i don't, KNOW i Think
44:37
Speaker 2: michigan was probably the best team in college basketball this last.
44:39
Speaker 2: YEAR i think it worked out for.
44:41
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