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Poisoned Chalice—Part 2- Do You Know What Is Coming Out Of Your Tap? · UK Column Radio

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Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview, and as you'll see,
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I'm absolutely delighted again to be joined by Joy Warren. Now. Joy Warren
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is the national coordinator of the Fluoride Free Alliance UK and Poisoned Chalice number one.
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That was our first interview that was screened a little while ago on the
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twenty first of March twenty twenty four. So if you haven't seen that one,
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please be sure to check in with it. Because many of our audience
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were very interested in knowing more about fluoride and wanted to have regular updates.
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So we've brought Joy back today for a very good reason because this is time
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sensitive and we need your help and we're going to be talking about a public
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consultation that's due to end fairly soon. So please stay tuned and keep listening
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because you're going to hear more about this. But Joy is also an environmental
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scientist. She has been an absolute stallwart in looking at the whole fluride agenda
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and if anybody, well, nobody knows more to be honest about fluide than
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Joy. But my question is, is we appear to be medicalizing water.
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Do you know what is coming out of your tap. Honestly I don't,
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and what is coming out of my tap today could be different from what is
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coming out of my tap tomorrow. So do any of us know what is
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coming through our tap and what we're drinking and potentially what many of us or
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perhaps all of us in England will be drinking. So in plain sight,
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we're going to now bring it to your site for you to do something about
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it. So Joy, welcome back. Thank you so much for agreeing to
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talk to us again. We're just so glad to have you back. Well,
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thank you very much. Debbie. You want me to talk about what's
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coming out of our apps that Joy I do, and you know my first
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question I think is going to be well, first of all, actually there'll
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be a little article beneath this interview and if anybody wants to find out more,
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and I really suggest you do the website to go for is uk FFFA
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dot org dot uk. Okay, but all of those details will be in
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the article beneath. But Joey, for people that haven't seen poison Chalice one
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and perhaps don't know the dangers or implications that fluoride has, how big of
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a problem is this for us, especially in the UK right, So the
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last count is about six million people receive artificial fluoride in their drinking water.
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That's about ten percent of England. The proposal is initially to increase that of
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forty percent. And they've made a start, i should say Department of Health
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and Social Care being they they've made a start on doing a public consultation for
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the northeast of England, which stretches from the border between Durham County, County
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Durham and Cumbria, which is now Westmoreland. There's a small area in West
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Mordland which is caught up, and there's also an area of about twenty three
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villages in the North Yorkshire borderland which connects the North Yorkshire people to County Durham.
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Both small areas receive their water from Northumbrian water and because it's in the
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pipes anyway, they can't isolate these two areas, so they're caught up.
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The lot was known as collateral damage. If in fact the proposal goes ahead
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to fluoridate one point six billion people, they are part of the one point
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six billion people. The consultation going on at the moment started on twenty fifth
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March ends the thirty first of July. We managed to get an extension because
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it was middle of the run up to the general election and you can't make
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political decisions such as floridation proposals during the run up of an election, so
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we got a nextra six weeks added on to the original twelve weeks after the
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consultation. And if we lose it, in other words, if they want
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to go ahead and fluoridate the whole of the Northeast, the next areas which
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are lined up by wishful thinkers Nottinghamshire County Council, and we've just had a
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spate of media reports about Blackpool wanting to fluoridate as well. They've incorporated it
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into their oral health strategy in the last few weeks. Other areas which are
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possibly targeted it's Leicester City. We haven't heard any any other saber rattling recently.
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The areas which are fluoridated at the moment are the the western seaboard of
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Cumbria, which includes Celarfield's still called Cellarfield, I can't remember, but it's
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it's the It's the sea towns of West Cumbria, part of Cheshire, Lantwich
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in particular, all of the West Midlands, all of Newcastle on Tyne,
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all of North Tyne Side and Gateshead. Let me think there are parts of
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Lincolnshire, parts of Nottinghamshire, parts of Derbyshire by default collateral damage, that
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is, I don't think there are only yes. But the thing is about
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six million people are getting artificial fluoride. So joy for people that don't know
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what fluoride is. And I want to come back to the consultation too,
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because I want people to try and join into that, so we'll come back
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to that. But for people that don't know the dangers of fluorid, for
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people that think that actually fluoride is good for you. There's two parts of
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my question here, So number one is what are the dangers of fluoride?
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And number two, because this is such a big agenda, my question is
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why why do the UK government want to do this? What are the benefits
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for the government and what are the risks for the public. All Right,
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The danger of fluoride is that it is an enzyme poison. It affects the
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endocrine system, which is your thyroid gland and all the other organs dottage throughout
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the body. It causes diabetes because the pancreas is an organ of the endocrine
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system. It causes hypothyroidism because the thyroid gland is the main organ of the
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endocrine system. It also has enough nasty effect on weakening our bones. And
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we can move on to hip fractures later if you want to. But this
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is the one thing that I'm really concerned about. It's such a damaging,
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painful, life limiting issue. It causes the reduction in intelligence. When the
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unborn child and the infant are exposed overexposed to fluoride during their development. There's
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no globin barrier or very very very poor globin barrier in the unborn child and
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the infant, so anything can get into the brain. It's not just fluoride,
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it's all the other toxins which pass to the unborn child via the mother's
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blood supply and pass to the infants via the fluoridated water which is used to
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make up baby formula. So those are the three main things hy both hybridism,
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fractures of the bone, diabetes, and then the other one which is
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IQ reduced by flu exposure. There are others, but we're concentrating on those
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four at the moment because they're much more easy to explain to people, and
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obviously they will be able to avoid drinking fluoride if they know that they're setting
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themselves up in the short term, but mainly the long term to ill health
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later on in life. So what are the benefits to the government, because
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there don't seem to be any benefits to us. I mean, this really
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is medicalizing water, and as everybody will know, I'm pretty hot on water,
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and we'll probably talk a little bit more about other things that might be
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going into water. But what are the benefits for the government. How are
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they trying to sell this to people? Because compared to the risks that you've
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just said, it would appear to me that the risks outweigh any benefits.
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Or have I got that wrong? No, you haven't got it wrong.
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Risks are terrible and in fact, all the ill health that fluoride causes in
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adults is going to cost the NHS a lot of money. It does cost
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the NHS a lot of money, but somehow it doesn't seem to matter.
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The touted benefits sever since nineteen fifty five when it was first put into our
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water in England was because it reduces dental decay in tiny tots, who are
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disadvantaged, who do not clean their teeth, who do not refrain from or
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their parents don't refrain from giving them sugary food or acid forming food. It's
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been like this since nineteen fifty five. They the rezondete for doing it is
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because it reduces oral dental decay. But over the years, over the decades,
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the percentage claimed for fluoride preventing dental decay has reduced and reduced and reduced.
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People say, well, that may be because children are using fluoride toothpaste,
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and that may be, but I'm not an expert on whether fluoride in
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toothpaste reduces dental decay or not. My gut feeling is it doesn't, but
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we'll move onto that in a moment. The idea is that over the decades,
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with better oral hygiene and better food, better nutrition, the dental decay
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in primity in tiny tots has reduced not just because of fluoride, and it
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can't be because of swallow fluoride. It's because of better socio economic factors.
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Be a problem with thinking that fluoride reduces de kay if you swallow it is
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really flawed. But the governments of the world who favor fluoride never seem to
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ask about the age of the teeth when they have a five year old examination,
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and because we know it damages enzyme production and all the other physiological processes
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in the body. The reason is quite simple that fluoride prevents the eruption of
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primary teeth by anything from one month to what most part of time, it
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was fourteen months. Not all babies have teeth grow at age six months,
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but there's no studies do into this, and moms and dads don't think about
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it because if it, well, my little baby didn't have her teeth born
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till she was twelve months old. But that's okay. All children are different,
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aren't they, and they're not thinking about any toxin disrupting the actual development
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of the child. So what we have to say here is that if the
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government did do some studies into age of teeth at age five, they would
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find that the fluoridated children's teeth grew later than the non floridated children's teeth,
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and that means that the teeth have not been in the mouth for so long
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to be exposed to dental decay causing bacteria and accids, so they the teeth
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at age five seemed to be better simple smokescreen and liverals. I say,
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but there you go, right. So the most recent studies into dental decay
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done in Cumbria, and they had looked at corporate of fluoridated children compared to
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non fluoridated children, and they also looked at a huge number of adults in
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floridated areas and non floroughlyated aaries. And what happened was I found that there
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was a reduction in dental decay across the board between children and adults of between
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two percent and four percent. There was less decay in floridated children and adults.
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But the researchers describe this as a modest reduction, very modest. So
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we're talking now about thinking about floridating forty percent of English people or people living
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in England, I should say, because of a modest reduction in dental decay
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in floridated tiny tots who are disadvantaged. That makes no sense at all,
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does it. I mean, there's for that percentage which is tiny and I
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would say is probably flawed. Anyway, this is a huge extraordinary expense that
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they'll be going to, isn't it. Yeah, to four to four percent
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could be because of this delay in the eruption of teeth, but doesn't actually
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explain the adults why there's two percent less infloridated adults compared to non fluridated adults.
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So saying that the researchers found, and this is so important. It
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seems to me forever that the Department of Health has been claiming that fluoride swallowed
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reduces oral health inequalities across social groups, and it is definitely not true.
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There are four studies, two systematic reviews which are the top of the research
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pile, and two ordinary studies which couldn't find any evidence whatsoever that disadvantaged children
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were brought up, leveled up, if you like, because the fluoride in
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their drinking water. And it seems this sort of myth is so difficult to
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kill because even if I've wrote about it, you know, the pro floridation
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people would probably not want to know. They won't want to listen, you
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know, Joey, I'm seeing this constant, these constant attacks on children,
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on young people, and especially on pregnant women at the moment, and you've
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highlighted very eloquently your serious concerns about the dangers to an unborn baby and neurodevelopmental
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injury moving on in their lives. Say, for example, because I want
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to come back to the consultation because I think it's really really important. We
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know we're nearly at the end of it now, So the thirty first of
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July, I believe, is your last day, and I want you to
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tell us what we can do, where we can go, and what we
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can do. But before I do that, say worst case scenario and the
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consultation fails and they decide they're going to roll it out anyway, how quickly
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would you expect because people all around the country are going to be saying,
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well, I live in that area, Yeah, Well when is this likely
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to happen? Is this likely to happen this year, next year? And
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then the consequences? How long will that take before it's rolled out before people
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start to noticeably see detrimental effects. Well, for women planning to become pregnant,
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they would start having detrimental effects from day one of gestation. If the
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rider of the drinking water. But we don't know when they're going to be
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putting in these equipments. If they are going to be putting it in,
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there's no contracts signed version of thundbrid Water at the moment that they have done
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a feasibility study. So the next thing would be to sign the contract or
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something water and then get the tenders out for the equipment to be purchased and
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then installed. Once it's installed, it has to be tested commissioned. I
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would probably say end of next year. Wow, that takes that long to
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install and commission. Obviously they've got to order in more fluoridating acid. Yeah,
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there's a Commissioning does take time, right, So people are going to
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be looking at this and going, well, we need to do something about
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it, and you've only got a few days left. So tell us about
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the website Joy and where people go to to find the consultation. And people
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are going to be saying, well, what do I write? What do
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I say? Do I because I know that they're very particular in how you
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write things and how you phrase things. So before everybody goes to their computers
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and starts type out, I really would advise that you go to Joy's website
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to look because Joy tell us a little bit more about how specific this has
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to be and how time sensitive this has to be as well. Okay,
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so we set up a new website two years ago in full expectation that this
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consultation was on the horizon. We gave it a very interesting name of Northeast
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Water Fluoridation Concerns dot org dot uk, which shortened is n ew FC so
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it would hopefully spark the interest of people who liked football, because so any
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WFC dot org dot uk. It's got a homepage, but it leads straight
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into the portal, into the bits and pieces to do with the consultation.
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Now, the Department of Health consultation pages are completely biased in favor of fluoridation.
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You're not giving anything away. They mentioned the two reports I've mentioned earlier
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about two to four percent reduction in dental decay, but they haven't said why
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they've mentioned them apart of the fact they are strengthening the evidence space, which
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seems to imply that these two research reports are in favor of fluoridation and they
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are not really in favor at all. But we can quote them. They're
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perfectly fine for us to quote them, but we need to know why we're
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quoting them, and they're not actually strengthening the evidence space in favor of floridation.
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Now, the page we have on any WFC, A consultation page has
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lots of little blue boxes and as a case of starting here, written and
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read this bit first, read through, see look at the steps you have
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to go through, and then we've given lots of information about each aspect.
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We've shown we had a hold on a second, we had anflet flier.
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It's a little bit or perhaps don't worry. We'll get us a screenshot of
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it and we'll make sure that we put the link in the article that will
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be beneath the interview. So this actually, this flyer is actually on the
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website and on the back they've got nineteen definitely can't see those nineteen reasons why
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you wouldn't want fluoride in your drinking water. Now on the website, we've
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also got underneath the nineteen reasons, we've got nineteen reasons repeated, plus all
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the references to research and the reasons why people wouldn't want to be fluoridated according
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to those nineteen points. So those are a good start, but you have
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to go through the downloaded questionnaire to have a look at exactly what's on the
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road ahead in the questionnaire, because there's no point opening the proper one until
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you know what's going to confront you later on. So if we've accumulated all
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the pages on the question, then put me into one file. Unfortunately,
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still have to go from page to page, and it tells you exactly what
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you need to say. We've tried our best to give as much good information
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with references, citations, research to selbstantiate. Now, the luridation consultation law
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does explicitly say you have to be cogent. By being cogent, retake it
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does meaning you have to say I don't want this because and then you have
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to give very good sighted reasons why you're right as opposed to wrong. So
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that's the important thing. Anybody who just says I don't want this full stop
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won't have any points smarty points as it were. They have to be not
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how can I say, not wonderful with their english, but they have to
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be accurate. The other have to be logical. Yeah. Now, and
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then, as I say it's important to quote the references, it's also important,
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I think, to read the abstracts and the conclusions of these research reports
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so you know where you go into. So that's a huss the overall thing.
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Once everyone's ready to fill in the console questions. Question there. We've
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popped it down the bottom of the screen. It's in a purple box so
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it can go straight into it. And it's a case of if you're going
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to do any any writing, any any report, or any reasoning, and
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they've got the three chances of doing three lots of two hundred and fifty works,
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it's best to write them first, check them over, do the word
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count, and then pop them into the boxes, as opposed to trying to
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write them in the boxes online. Is there? I'm just thinking when I
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was bringing up my five children, life's a bit chaotic and there's never enough
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time in a day to do anything. Is thereby any chance a way of
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an easy way where people haven't got to They take your word for it.
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They don't want fluoride, but they need to write something fairly quickly, or
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they need something prepared for them, rather than having to read through an awful
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lot or write an awful lot. Is there a quick way? Wouldn't need
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to read this research itself. It's great they could read the abstract and the
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conclusions, but underneath the flyer on screen we have got a very long table
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with the reasons and then the reasons why you wouldn't want it and the references,
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so you could actually stop there. You don't have to go any further
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unless you want to show that you have actually read around the sidect even more.
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And the more you read around it and the more you're convinced, the
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more value come is in your response. This is d dodibly important and I
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can't highlight it enough to everybody watching and listening. Is that this is medicine
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coming through your tap. You don't know. I don't know how much you
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drink a day, but you don't know how much fluoride you're drinking. It
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depends I guess on how much you're drinking every single day. And it's really
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important that we rise up against this. And you've got a time date now
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on this, haven't you. Joy's the thirty first of July. So people
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have got to get cracking on with it right now, including the thirty first,
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right up to eleven fifty nine at night. That's right, Yeah,
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so everybody, please, we don't have much time. In fact, we
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have no time. Joy. We'll talk more about the consultation and will remind
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people before our interview is finished about the consultation. But I want to just
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quickly ask you for a little bit of an update. In poison Chalice one,
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you were talking about America and legal suits that were going on. Could
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you explain for people that didn't see number one, just a little brief overview
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and where we are now with the case in the United States with fluoride.
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Okay, So it started in twenty sixteen with a petition by about three or
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four groups of concerned people where they petitioned the Environmental Detection Agency against fluoride,
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but the EPA decided they weren't going to do anything about the petition and just
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poo pooed it. So a year later, the son of one of the
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group's leaders, Michael Kolett, who is a solicitor and attorney, started legal
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action against the EPA, and the court case has been going on ever since.
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The final hearing was in March April this year, and the judge,
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his name is Judge Edward Chen has adjourned as it were, and is now
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sitting back and considering his verdict. We gave very very strong evidence against fluoride
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over exposure in the child's environment and the born child's environment. The evidence centered
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on the reduction in IQ when you're unborn and when you're drinking fluoridated baby formula.
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In America, the level of fluoride added to drinking water is point seven.
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It varies, but point seven is what is added and that showed a
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reduction in IQ points are between five and six IQ points, which is significant.
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The male unborn child is more damaged in the womb and the girl infant
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is more damaged from drinking fluoridated tappled fluoridated baby formula. The mechanism for this
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is something to do with the endocrine system, the thyroid gland, the availability
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of iodide in the in the mother's blood stream and therefore in the unborn child.
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There's also been three mechanisms detected of how the brain is damaged by fluoride
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when the child is in the womb, and that also has a permanent effect
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in reducing IQ. So together with the iodide factor and the should we just
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say disruption of neurotransmitters, I'm going to do more details, but that's the
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sort of thing that's happening. And then, of course, if that child
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continues to drink fluoride via fluoridated formula, then the IQ drops even more.
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It's it's something apparent would probably not notice to begin with, and it's something
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really that you only see if you look at a population as a whole.
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And if you look at all the fluoridated children going through school and you do
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an IQ test on them all, then you will see that there are going
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to be less geniuses and more educationally challenged children because of this. But children
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in the middle, the ones who would have been quite intelligent will be intelligent,
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and the ones who are were intelligent will be a little less intelligent.
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So it's not going to be obviously in the middle of a spectrum of intelligence,
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but you won't have quite so many geniuses, and you will have far
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more children who need special education. And at the far end of the spectrum
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you will have those who you would have called with thretonism. You don't like
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use that worthy anymore. It's not very nice, but you get the drift
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these up children who will never never have any potential whatsoever. Wow. Wow,
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that's quite shocking. Final piece of evidence we had, which was very
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strong, was what is known as a systematic review, where the US government's
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National Toxicology Program looked at fifty five research studies into IQ and fluoride and found
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that fifty two of them robustly showed a correlation, strong correlation between over exposure
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to fluoride in the room and baby formula and reduction in intelligence. That's so
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strong. I mean we're talking about it doesn't matter about the judge pronounces today,
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tomorrow, or next year. The systematic review is the very strong piece
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of evidence because when you have systematic reviews, you're looking at every single piece
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of research, and you're looking at the high quality research then and then you're
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powering on down and side which ones are really very very good, and you
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look at the very good ones, and then you find fifty five of them,
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fifty two of them actually really look laded on the line to say that,
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look, this is a problem. So we have to warn all women
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in this country who are fluoridated now, who are planning a family, and
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all women who might be fluoridated in future if we don't win this consultation.
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And that is why the consultation is so incredibly important, and I have to
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remind everyone, and you know, Joy, we're living in difficult times at
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the moment. We're having an awful lot thrown at us. The world Economic
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Forum tells us it's a poly crisis, so there's one emergency after another.
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There's one new story coming out that's dominating the headlines, and people get distracted.
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But I've always said water affects each and every one of us. None
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of us can survive without water. And I'll go back to my original question
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as do you know what is coming through your tap? Because I don't believe
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that anybody does or perhaps will know accurately in the future. For those of
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you that aren't in the United Kingdom, I'm sure you've probably realized by now
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that we have a new government. We have a labor government who have got
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big plans for water. They've got big plans for water regulation as well.
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So we had off what who I say, do what pretty much nothing,
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And now we seem to have a new water regulator that's going to be formed,
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which is going to include off what the water, the Drinking Water Inspectorate
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and the Environment Agency, So we're going to get all three lumped in.
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Now, I know from experience that in each area there is a drinking water
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inspector that's allocated, but there's one inspector for large areas and they're not testing
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water water isn't being tested every day in a specific area, It's being tested
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randomly. So my question, I think, Joy, is if this rolls
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ahead, and I really do plead with everybody please we have to row against
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this. This is water, this is medicalizing water. It's going to be
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coming through your tap and everybody needs water to survive. And will come on
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to what we can do about fluoride in the water and what methods we can
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take to prevent us from drinking fluoride in a minute, but this is like
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super important. But Joy, if if it is rolled out, what would
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you expect to drinking water inspector to do? I mean, how often would
32:51
somebody in Northumbria's water be tested? I mean, could they just page into
32:54
a website and see, oh today I've got a certain amount of fluoride in
32:59
my water into or I've got a different amount, or will they never know
33:02
what they're drinking? Okay, the water companies have to do certain number of
33:08
tests on each chemical per year, so they can't get away from it.
33:14
They have to do it. Whether they tell the truth or not. I
33:16
don't know. We have this assume they're telling the truth. So most of
33:20
the chemicals are calling chemical parameters. By the way, then mostly are below
33:25
the maximum allowable and we're talking about ordinary drinking water here. If they rise
33:31
above the maximum allowable, then the water company has to tell the drinking water
33:37
in spectrate and then they have to try and mediate the problem. When it
33:42
comes to medical water or medicinal water, and we have to accept that it
33:46
is medicine water because it's put in the drinking water to prevent a human disease,
33:52
there's no to worries about it. The government will accept that it's medicine.
33:57
But we have got the Drinking Water Director on our side on this particular
34:00
aspect. It's a medicine. When it comes to medicinal water, the water
34:07
companies pretend that they're following the guidelines for drinking water. They don't sort of
34:15
discriminate between the disinal water chemicals and ordinary drinking water chemicals. It's all lompding
34:21
together basically, so they have to try and keep to the guidelines. But
34:24
unfortunately, because it's a medicine, there are no guidelines for medicinal water,
34:30
because medicinal water does not come under the protection provisions of the Drinking Water Directive.
34:36
Because medicinal water is not drinking water. So I would say that the
34:40
guidelines are not quality for every single chemical in the medicinal water. Now that's
34:47
just going to one side. I'm sorry. I have to get onto that
34:50
because it's so important to realize that if you're getting medicinal water, you're not
34:54
getting drinking water, why should you pay for it? So if you're going
34:59
to be flur data, the first thing you can do is tell the water
35:01
company as soon as the furride taps are turned on that you will stop paying
35:07
for your drinking water, medicinal water because it's not something you want. You
35:13
have been paying for drinking water all this time, and now it's going to
35:16
be product substitution. Why should you have to drink and medicine when you don't
35:21
need it, don't pay for it. You can get away with it.
35:24
It's it's reasonable. And I've been refusing to pay drinking water for four years
35:30
now. I still pay for sewerage, and that's another the subject. We're
35:36
not going to go into the day, right, But I don't pay.
35:40
I pay fifty percent, but you know, fifty is still more than I
35:44
would probably pay if I had a water meter. So what's coming at you?
35:49
What what is coming at your tap. Well, you can easily check
35:52
all the water companies have to publish the results of their analysis of each chemical
35:58
online accord into your postcode. Oh, everyone has to make it more difficult
36:05
than others. I think seven trends are quite quite easy. You stick into
36:09
your search engine seven trend water water Quality Report and that's all you have to
36:15
do. Then you come to a screen where it's pretty colors that were baded
36:20
whatever, and you're a post code box where you put your postcode in press
36:24
return, and then you scroll down the page and then you see all the
36:29
list of all the chemicals which are in your treated drinking water or in your
36:35
fluoridated medicinal water. You need to know that one column is the maximum allowable
36:42
and these are measured in milligrams or micrograms. You also need to know that
36:47
that particular column is separated from the minimum, average, and maximum values found
36:54
by the testers from who are employed by the water companies. So you need
37:00
to know your way around the columns. Unfortunately, the headings don't follow down
37:05
the table, so it's really difficult if you don't know don't know anywhere around.
37:10
So you can tell that in most cases you'll find that all the values
37:14
are below the maximum allarable for ordinary drinking water. So let's take a case
37:22
of arsenic, which I'm really fond of. Fond I don't need n distill
37:30
all my water, so don't have asking in a body. I hope we'll
37:32
come on to dissisolation minute. I promise. Okay. The maximum allowable for
37:39
arsenic is ten micrograms, which is one hundred times less than the amount of
37:46
fluoride added to drinking water. Microgram is a billion of a litter a billions.
37:58
Wow, So ten micrograms. Yeah, it's not not a billion if,
38:04
of course it's so it's a very very tiny Amountly, do we have
38:10
any arsenic in our water? Joy? Yeah? I mean just that,
38:15
just the very name arsenic is going to send people going, wow, have
38:19
we really are we really allowing that in water? Yes, in ordinary drinking
38:22
water, we have to below ten micrograms. They can't get it any lower
38:29
because water treatment is not capable of reducing it down even further. There's arsenic
38:34
in the raw water which comes in from the reservoirs and rivers and lakes,
38:38
and although the water treatment process does remove some, there's still some gets into
38:44
your tap. But because it's below ten, it's legal. Okay. Now,
38:51
the thing is, when you're fluoridated, the floridating acid contains arsenic.
38:58
So it's deliberately added, innocently, adventitiously added. It's by accident, shall
39:07
we say, just to be generous to the government, it's added by accident
39:12
with your fluoride. And that will increase the amount of arsenic going out your
39:16
tap. It may not, it may never get to more than ten micrograms,
39:21
because in your raal water you might get two micrograms and in your fluoride
39:24
you might get three micrograms. That's five, and that's not going to be
39:29
more than ten. But there's a possibility it could be over ten, right,
39:34
because you don't know. It could go either way. I'll be hoping
39:37
that the water companies are turning the truth when they do their analysis or the
39:42
samples coming out of a tap which they provide water to. I just want
39:47
to add to that that water companies, because they're private companies, although they're
39:52
performing a public duty, they actually don't have to reply to freedom of information
39:59
requests. Yes, so sometimes even if you write to a water company and
40:04
say, under a freedom they say, sorry, it doesn't apply to us,
40:07
and you don't get the information that you want. And a lot of
40:12
the water laboratories that this water's being tested are the water companies laboratories themselves,
40:19
So I don't know is it ever tested at independence, I mean completely state
40:25
independent laboratories. I suspect the commercial laboratories employed by the water companies have to
40:32
be truthful, but it doesn't mean that the analysis sent back to the water
40:38
companies don't change, right. You know, they don't want the brigging water
40:47
inspect that on your back all the time because you're over the maximum. But
40:51
we're talking about going back to sefluoridated the stal water you've got. There are
40:57
no guidelines because no one has defined guidelines for medicinal water. Has always been
41:02
assumed that they're the same as the guidelines for drinking water. So if you've
41:07
got three micrograms of arsenic in your drinking water per liter, then should it
41:14
not be not? Yes, I haven't thought of that, right, So
41:19
they're not They're not the only things added to the drinking water. When you
41:22
have fluidating acid added to treated water. The ones which are heavy metals are
41:27
antimony, arsenac, of course, cadmium, chromium, lead, mercury,
41:34
nickel, and lenium. The seleniing is okay, I don't mind that become
41:38
beneficial. It's pretty bad though, isn't it me thinking about it? And
41:44
this is my most important thing that can emphasize is that the water companies are
41:51
employed or are in business to treat water, to make it potable. It
41:58
should be absolutely crisp, little clear when it comes out of your tap,
42:01
and they try their best. They've got the technology they can do their best.
42:06
I mean the chlorine I don't like the idea of They surely should have
42:09
nicer ways of disaffecting our water these days. All right, we'll move on
42:14
twenty years. Who might get some nutter of violet systems. They are so
42:20
constrained. They have to produce potable, wholesome drinking water. They have to
42:25
obey the guidelines, they have to do it. Everything must be as pure
42:30
as possible. But when it comes to fluoridating, they add back in the
42:34
stuff they've taken out. Wow, I know that is is abysmal. How
42:39
can that be? In case? It's insane? Actually, isn't it rageous?
42:45
Is that rageous? Wow? But you know for all that we're saying
42:50
here. And I'm very aware that many people watching will be in some of
42:53
those fluoridated areas that you've just talked about, and I know that you're in
42:57
a floridated area as well, Joy, And our intention here today is not
43:02
to frighten anybody. It's not to panic anybody. What it is is it's
43:08
here to inform you so that you know what to look for and you can
43:15
take your preventative measures. This is for information, but it's also for action.
43:21
We need to get people really on the ball with this now. And
43:25
please, please, I can't ask you enough. Please go and look at
43:30
the consultation. So for people that are living in floridated areas, I thought
43:35
it was very interesting that you said, don't pay your that side of your
43:38
water bill. And I'm sure a lot of ears are pricking up now because
43:43
you're quite right. Drinking water is not medical water. It's not medicalized water.
43:49
They're two completely different products, if you like. So whilst you're agreeing
43:53
to pay for drinking water, say drinking water, what you're getting is effectively
43:59
medicine through the tap. So for people that are living in florid dated areas,
44:05
and maybe are now only just realizing thinking, oh my goodness, I
44:07
didn't realize what can they do? Joy, because they'll all be going,
44:13
well, what do I do to stop this? Or if I've got it
44:15
coming through my tap, how do I distill it? Or make it fluorid
44:21
free, make it friendly and safe to drink? All right, So if
44:24
you're not paying for your medical water, you can actually save the money and
44:30
buy yourself some equipment. Three goods of equipment are distillation but one hundred pounds.
44:37
That's one. I bought one hundred and forty. But I bought the
44:39
top of the range, stainless steel, a glass receptacle, and it's really
44:45
good. It does fall intos in four hours. Now. It is using
44:50
electricity, unfortunately, so if you're income constrained and it's not the easiest thing
44:57
to do, but it's going to save your health term not having all those
45:01
chemicals going into your body. It's going to help your body recover its vibrancy.
45:07
The other one is reverse osmosis. That is the actual system. You
45:13
can buy it so many places now online and again we're talking about one hundred
45:17
pounds top with their first filters included. Now you have to keep buying the
45:23
filters and replacing when you've got to a certain stage where the total dissolved solid
45:31
reading for your filtered water is around about twenty to thirty tds total dissolved solids.
45:42
You can buy a TDS meter for about five pounds, so always good
45:45
thing to do that. Once it gets to that stage and you change your
45:49
filters, it's not a straightforward thing. You just have to try and empty
45:54
the reservoir and everything from under the sink because it'll nip a bit, Put
46:04
tells down, and then the filters and put the new filters in, and
46:08
then we've filled the system. Pour off the whole system once because you don't
46:14
want to be taking in anything which is in the first draft of water,
46:17
as it were, and then you're good to go for the next few months.
46:22
Joy can I for people that don't know and they're watching for the first
46:27
time, they're going to be many people that are saying all sorts of brands,
46:30
and I can hear people probably going Burkie water distiller doesn't it doesn't need
46:35
electricity. I know that you've got reservations and we'll talk about that in a
46:38
minute, but other people will be going, oh, yes, I've got
46:42
a water filter. I put it in the fridge. But a water filter,
46:46
a filter jug is not what we're talking about here. We're talking about
46:52
distillation and we're talking about reverse osmosis. But I think many people will be
46:55
going, what's the difference. What is the difference between a water distiller one
47:02
that isn't electrically powered because something like a burkie, And I'm not advertising them
47:07
in particular, it's just I know a lot of people will be more familiar
47:10
with that make it looks a bit like a tea urn and it doesn't need
47:16
power. So it sits on your kitchen worktop and you pour water into it,
47:21
and the carbon filters and the fluoride filters will filter the water for you
47:24
to drink, and then you clean out the container, which I know you've
47:30
got reservations because of course it's aluminium, and maybe you've got an alternative.
47:36
But so the electric distillers which you were talking about, which eighty to one
47:39
hundred pounds, which you can buy in a in a supermarket or well pretty
47:45
much anywhere on the internet. And then you've got these more expensive systems which
47:51
don't need power. So, for example, a water distiller that I've got
47:54
cost me four hundred pounds, so it's quite It is quite a lot of
47:59
money to fork out in one time. And then similarly, we've got reverse
48:04
osmosis, which many people probably won't even know what does that mean? And
48:09
if it's somebody that's elderly or maybe it's a young mum, are there people
48:15
about that can come and do this? Is there a I mean showers,
48:20
baths? You know, how far do we go with this? Could you
48:24
simplify filtration, distillation, reverse osmosis just for people that aren't quite familiar with
48:31
all of this. Right, So you talked about the jug filters. The
48:37
only one in this country as far as I know, which does rerumin fluide
48:42
is the zero filter jug and it is very good and you can get away
48:46
with cleaning the filter and putting it back into the jug into the housing of
48:52
the filter, and that's quite good, but it's reducing the profits of the
48:55
company which is the filter. Yeah, okay. Dissolation is the only one
49:01
I would recommend to anybody who is elderly because it's not as difficult to fulfill
49:08
the distiller with water and then to pour off the water from the jug into
49:15
your kettle. But you had very careful to put the jug underneath the spout,
49:19
otherwise you flood the kitchen. Zero filtered drug is fine, but it's
49:24
it's not so easy for people who haven't got full use of their hands.
49:30
Reverse osmosis plumbed in you do need a plumber. But once it's plumbed in,
49:36
it's the easiest to use. But you need to check it every now
49:39
and then make sure it doesn't need changing. So then you have to bring
49:43
along the plumber again to change the filters for you. Because if you haven't
49:45
got full use of hands, then you do need somebody able body to do
49:50
it. It's not difficult to do it for anybody, but for an older
49:53
person with wee cans, it's pretty difficult. And our policy and if haven't
50:00
got much money then but getting the plumber out every time is not so good.
50:05
And the temptation would be then to continue to use the filter without checking
50:08
it and then then start increasing the fluoride overload in your body. Burkie from
50:15
America. They've had bad press. The white fluoride filter candles. The filter
50:22
rate medium is. It's made of aluminium particles which attract the fluoride atoms and
50:32
ions if you like. But unfortunately the filter rate media does not stay in
50:38
the filter rate. It actually gets into the product water. So by the
50:43
time you dronk the water, you've got the aluminum in the drinking water that
50:46
you want to drink as opposed to the drinking water you put in the top.
50:51
So we've gone from there to buying similar filters from a company called as
51:00
Around the Riken wr e K I M, which do actually not have aluminum
51:06
in the film rate medium. So you can keep your filter, you can
51:09
keep your American Burkey if you buy the Reacan filters. What about the UK?
51:15
There's a UK site for Burkey. Are they the same? Are they
51:19
all manufactured in Are they all USA? I would not like to say,
51:24
I have no idea. I don't. I wouldn't want to go there because
51:28
I'm just thinking if somebody in the UK is ordering, they'll go to Burkey
51:32
UK. And I know that there have been some supply issues with Europe.
51:38
I don't think those are applicable to the United Kingdom per se. But I
51:43
just wondered if there was a difference in product, or if it was the
51:45
same product. The UK Burkey filters are the same as the European Burke of
51:51
Feldt, then it should be okay. But I think sometime ago there was
51:55
some clones which were I'm going to say, pushing up the alum in your
52:00
particles, right, And Turky is great. I mean it's a filter,
52:04
it's a gravity fair system. The slower the water goes through, the better
52:07
it's is. But as I say, we have to be really careful about
52:10
the anum England. Yeah, and I think it's fair to say as well
52:15
that if anybody is considering buying a Burkie, you do have to buy the
52:21
fluoride filters. They come with carbon filters, but they don't come standard with
52:28
fluor eyded filters, and I believe when I last looked, I think they're
52:31
about one hundred and forty pounds, so you could be paying five hundred forty
52:37
five hundred pounds for a full system. So that is a significant outlay.
52:43
However, in the case of power outages, which we may get in winter,
52:49
then you're not reliant then on electricity, because as you've said, it's
52:52
gravity and it looks very like a t eurn, doesn't it that sits on
52:58
your kitchen worktop. What do you do joy? Because you're in a fluoridated
53:04
area. So you're the expert. What do you take personally? I don't
53:10
have a full house filtration system. I have sort of held back for some
53:15
time waiting for the perfect one to come online. I've got a few leads
53:19
and now we're following that doing this year. Why do you have a distiller?
53:23
I just bought myself an all singing, more dancing one for one hundred
53:25
and forty pounds, and that's stainless steel, glass receptacle, a tiny little
53:30
carbon tea bag filter in the spout to polish it off, to make sure
53:36
it's fine. And I see the make of that because everybody will be going
53:39
which one is it? Which one is it? I wouldn't actually recommend any
53:43
at the moment. I just just go online and find the one year want.
53:46
If you want stainless steel, that's fine. They're all stainless steel.
53:50
Make sure they're not aluminium inside in the interior, and a plastic fully carbon
53:57
receptacle is okay. But I just bought myself the glass receptacle and that's about
54:01
fifty pounds more than the low priced one. Then I've got the zero filter
54:07
jug. It was a devil to get the filter in really tight. The
54:10
housing wouldn't give way, and it leaked. But after a time the housing
54:15
eased and then we could actually screw the filtering properly. And it works beautifully
54:21
now. And with a TDS gauge you can tell when you have to change
54:25
the filter, or as I said, you can actually dismantle the filter,
54:29
wash it out several times into silk water, and put it back in again.
54:32
Can you tell us what TEDS? A TDS meter is again total dissolved
54:37
solids. It just measures a little particles in the water. The more particles
54:43
there are, the less efficient the filter is. It's coming to the end
54:45
of its life. Now where do you get those from? Joy? And
54:49
how much do online? I mean, I bought the bog standard zero filter
54:53
jug. I think about thirty pounds, but they can go to about one
54:58
hundred and fifty two hundred, depending how sophisticated you want your water joke to
55:02
look? Okay? And I finally reverse osmosis. I've had the same system
55:07
now for four or five years. I don't change the filter as as often
55:10
as I ought to because I put the reverse osmosis water into my distiller,
55:15
so the distiller doesn't get so clogged up it doesn't be cleaned quite so often.
55:21
So there, let's talk about that, actually, Joey, because I
55:24
was shocked. I was genuinely shocked after I'd used my water distiller for a
55:30
little while at the stuff that was inside. It was It's not nice,
55:36
is it? Having to clean one out and that's what's actually coming out of
55:38
your tap. I found that quite alarming. I don't know what your thoughts
55:43
are on the gunk that sits in the bottom. It's dehydrated gunk, which
55:47
is all the minerals and all the chemicals which are in your tap water.
55:52
Some of them are beneficial calcium, you get hard water area, your Kettleston
55:58
gets furred up. That's what you're seeing in the bottom of your distiller,
56:01
plus all the other components. Right, so exactly fluoride isn't there somewhere?
56:08
And all the heavy metals in the tap water not very many, but over
56:14
time it builds up. You just get your back out the sod and you
56:17
clean inside and where to go again? Joy, you know, I would
56:22
say to people, if you want to know even more, especially about children's
56:28
teeth and teeth cleaning, et cetera, have a look at poison Chalice one
56:32
because Joy did an amazing interview with tons more information and parents, young mums,
56:39
pregnant mums. Really important for you to watch this. I'm keeping an
56:45
eye on the time, Joy, and I'm eager to ask you if there's
56:52
anything today that we have missed out. I know that we're going to be
56:57
going to you for your last word, which is hugely important, but is
57:00
there anything that we've missed out that you want to cover for today, especially
57:06
with the consultation ending literally days away. That's right, I'd say that's the
57:15
reasons why is this happening? This would be going into the realms of conspiracy
57:21
theories, but that's okay. I'm happy with those. There's two reasons as
57:27
the main reasons is to try and reduce decay. The hidden reasons are that
57:35
the phosphate fertilizer manufacturers and the aluminium smelters are laughing all the way to the
57:42
bank because instead of having to neutralize their waste, which is a fluoridating acid,
57:46
they you can sell it at a small profit, so they balance the
57:52
books very nicely, thank you very much. It also solves the problem of
57:57
having huge quantities of liquid waste piling up around their manufacturies, facilities which make
58:04
phosphate fertilizer, which make aluminium. Those are the two sort of hidden reasons.
58:12
Is there anybody in the establishment and the government got money in those sort
58:16
of industries. I have no idea, but you know there'll be some sort
58:22
of the dividend, the really hidden issue about this all. And this is
58:30
where you know it's something I would not normally wish to discuss online, but
58:37
I'm fed up with having to put his foot around it. I've read a
58:40
book by population scientists about three or four weeks months ago called Kevin Galilee,
58:49
and it's called killing Us Softly, and it's it. It does it gradually
58:57
tells you that it's not anything to do with my industry or dental decay,
59:01
is to do with the global depopulation. And because we know that fluoride has
59:10
been used in the past in history to reduce population, reduce stability, I'm
59:16
sorry, to increase stability and to reduce the kundity, if you like.
59:22
And it also does that make people ill, especially hyperthyroidism and diabetes and broken
59:30
bones that sort of thing. Then is it not hastenings office mortal coil sooner
59:37
rather than later. The whole idea there would be a reduction in population.
59:45
That's theory has the great merit as far as I can see it. When
59:49
I read the book, everything I've been self doubting or doubting about fell into
59:52
place. I just couldn't see why they're so stubborn about reducing dental decay all
1:00:00
this time, where we know it doesn't work. It doesn't reduce oral health,
1:00:04
inequalities, It can't do that. It doesn't help anyone's health. It
1:00:08
causes dental ferusis lucky teas, it causes brittle teeth, little girls a lot.
1:00:13
And all the evidence I've been going through during my response to the consultation
1:00:19
tells me there's a huge amount of research out there which, taken together and
1:00:23
looked at in reviews, should tell the governments they are barking up the wrong
1:00:28
tree. Instead of doing this in secrets, they should be persuading us not
1:00:36
to have so many children, if possible. They should be up front.
1:00:40
And you know there is another issue as well that I'm old enough to remember
1:00:49
my mum taking me to the dentist every six months for a checkup. It
1:00:53
was really easy. I used to dread it, but I used to go
1:00:58
and it was without question. The appointment was made. My following appointment was
1:01:04
made at the appointment I was at, so it was all scheduled. But
1:01:07
today, well you're lucky. If you can find an NHS dentist, you're
1:01:14
lucky. Many people I know that have got my kids are grown up now
1:01:19
and their friends they're all having children. I've got grandchildren. It is virtually
1:01:23
impossible to get a dental appointment for adults and children in this country now,
1:01:30
and anytime a dentist has got appointments open, I see reports of people queuing
1:01:37
literally around blocks to try, you know, at six o'clock in the morning,
1:01:40
waiting for them to open. That there doesn't seem to be a dental
1:01:44
service anymore in the UK's nick and private. So those are those who care
1:01:51
about that. You going to join up with dent plan And I've put that
1:01:55
way, And during COVID it was really not possib I would have done it,
1:02:00
that was at all. No, it wasn't. I have to say
1:02:04
joy that, you know, I can't. I can't tell people enough what
1:02:09
a store you are and how much work you have done. You are a
1:02:15
phenomenal campaigner, and you have been literally the driving force of the fluoride agenda
1:02:22
because without you and everybody that's working around and with you, and without you
1:02:28
keeping your eyes out on the rest of the world, we wouldn't know what's
1:02:31
going on. And that's where I come back to my original question is do
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you know what is coming out of your tap? And if you were told
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that you were going to get medicine that could harm you and your babies,
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your children, would you drink that water? My suggestion is that you probably
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wouldn't, and without people like Joy, we might never know. So this
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is incredibly important. Water affects all of us, and the agenda is changing
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where they're even thinking now of moving water from one area to another. So
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even if you're not in a fluoridated area, can you be sure one hundred
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percent sure that you're not receiving water from another area? I doubt that any
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of us could. So water affects us, all, every single one of
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us. So please please take caution from both of these interviews, and we'll
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be joining Joy again because this is an ongoing situation and we're going to need
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to know the results of consultation, So please do or go and make your
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comments known to try to stop this. But like always, Joy, I'm
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going to throw to you for your last word, which I believe is going
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to be extremely powerful, and I'd just like to thank you so much for
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everything that you do, and to anybody watching you know, whether you're a
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subscriber to UK column or not, if you like what we're doing and you
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find this information valuable, which we believe it's incredibly valuable, please share it,
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Please pass it along, and please spread the word and ask people to
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go to the website and make their comments known. You've only got a few
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days left, so thank you again, Joy, and it's over to you
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for your last word. Thank you very much, Debbie. I must emphasize
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that for the consultation, everyone in the UK can take part, even though
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they're not going to be directly affected. I think I'll probably emphasize the point
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that if you are planning a family and you live in a floriated area,
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is so important to be aware of what you're eating and thinking, and even
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if you have a bath in your house, we really know that fluoride is
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absorbed through the skin, and the skin is an end of chrime system components
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not many people understand that. But each sell on this upper skin layer performs
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the same function as the thyroide land it actually does produce thyroxin. So if
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you poison the skin with fluoride, because that means it won't be produced in
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the thyroxin, then you would go into a low thyroid condition, which is
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not what you want to do. If you are planning a family. Older
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ladies in this country and the main do get hyperthyroidism if they like their hot
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bands, and they should stick to shower as if they're fluoridated. Pregnant girls
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women, you know, you do need to understand also that you're not allowed
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when you're discouraged from drinking alcohol, you discourage from eating this, this,
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smoking whatever. But nobody ever tells you not to drink tea and tea,
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the Indian tea, black tea, the tea that the cup of cheers is
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full of fluoride. And if you're in a fluoridated area, making your tea
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with fluoridated water, so you're easily getting to the maximum recommended by the World
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Health Organization per day of six milligrams of fluoride. And if you're pregnant or
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you're planning at putancy. Be aware that fluoride could affect your pocunder tea and
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your ability to conceive, and can also then damage the intelligence of your endond
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child. It's so important to avoid Indian tea, avoid fluoridated water, avoid
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bathing in fluoridated water, and only having brief showers if you can manage it.
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Now, there are other foods on the market which contain fluoride, and
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you're not going to know because never on the list of ingredients. But assume
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that anything that comes in from the Ireland Republic of Ireland is going to contain
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fluoride, including guinness, So don't like a guinness is doing you any good.
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And anything coming from America, you don't know which parts are floridated or
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not. And a good sixty percent of the area of America USA, which
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has no natural fluoride of drinking water, is fluoridated. So a lot of
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the foods over there are contain flow right from irrigation water or whatever unwise food
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the animals are being given. It's a case of looking at not looking at
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labels, because fluoride is not on labels. Just consider where the food's coming
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from and whether it's likely to have been watered with fluoridated water, and some
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plants accumulate fluoride because that's the way they are. Tea is one, and
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blueberries is another, and I think spinach also. So if you can get
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your spinach film and organic farm which isn't in a fluoridded area, it's all
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well and good. Okay, So the inder shess is not going to tell
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you about this, and you just have to look out for yourself. So