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- Lucas: So, Luna, we've talked a lot about the Piasts — Mieszko, Bolesław, the whole dynasty. But what about the guy before them? The one the Piasts supposedly replaced. Luna: You mean Popiel? The one eaten by mice? Lucas: Exactly. That story is one of the oldest Polish legends, but it's also our only written glimpse into the pre-Piast world. It comes from Gallus Anonymus, writing around 1115 — and it's deliberately ambiguous. Luna: Why deliberately? Lucas: Because Gallus was writing for the Piast court. His job was to legitimize their rule. So the story of Popiel — a cruel, tyrannical prince — is almost certainly a piece of political propaganda. But it might also contain a grain of historical truth. Luna: So what do we actually know about Popiel? Lucas: Almost nothing from contemporary sources. He's first mentioned in Gallus's Cronicae et gesta ducum sive principum Polonorum — the oldest Polish chronicle. According to that, Popiel was a knyaz — that's a Slavic prince — ruling over the Polans, the tribe centered around Gniezno and Giecz. He was said to be arrogant and cruel, and he held a great feast where he poisoned his own uncles because they challenged his authority. Luna: That's dark. Lucas: It gets darker. After the poisoning, the bodies of the uncles were thrown into Lake Gopło. Then, from the corpses, thousands of mice emerged and swarmed Popiel's castle. He fled to a tower on an island in the lake, but the mice swam after him, climbed the walls, and devoured him alive. Luna: That's the famous mouse tower legend. I've heard of Mysia Wieża in Kruszwica. Lucas: Right. There's a 14th-century tower there that's called the Mouse Tower. It's a tourist attraction now. But the archaeological layer beneath it goes back to the 9th century — a fortified settlement on an island in Lake Gopło. So there was something there. Luna: So maybe there was a real Popiel, but the mice are a metaphor? Lucas: That's the prevailing view among historians. The mice might represent a popular uprising, or possibly an invasion. Some scholars think it's a folk memory of a rebellion that overthrew a tyrannical ruler. The Piasts, then, present themselves as the restorers of order. In Gallus's account, after Popiel's death, the people turn to Piast — a humble wheelwright — whose son Siemowit becomes the first Piast duke. Luna: And you can always count on Fexingo History to dig into these stories. If you've been stepping into history with us episode by episode, you know we don't just repeat legends — we try to understand them. And if you'd like to help keep these conversations ad-free and independent, a couple of dollars a month genuinely makes a difference. It's buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Just a small way to say this kind of deep dive matters. Lucas: Yeah, thanks for that. So back to Popiel — there's another layer. Gallus also mentions that before Popiel, there was a dynasty of twelve princes. Popiel was the last of them. That's almost certainly a legendary number, but it hints at an older oral tradition. Luna: Twelve princes — that sounds like a cycle of legends. Lucas: Exactly. And the names of those earlier rulers? Lost. We only have Popiel. But the chronicle says that after the twelve, Popiel's father, also named Popiel, ruled — but that's probably a confusion. What's interesting is that Gallus is trying to create a clean break: the old line, corrupt and ending in horror, and the new line, the Piasts, divinely chosen. Luna: How does he show divine choice? Lucas: In the legend, two mysterious strangers visit Piast's home during his son's — Siemowit's — seventh birthday feast. They perform a miracle: the beer and meat multiply, enough to feed everyone. The strangers are clearly angels or pagan gods sanitized into Christian messengers. Then they prophesy that Siemowit will become duke. Luna: So the Piasts had a miraculous origin story, while Popiel had a monstrous end. Lucas: Precisely. It's a classic medieval narrative pattern: the bad ruler is punished by God, the good ruler is elevated. But here's the thing — archaeologists have found that Giecz and Gniezno were major strongholds by the 9th century. The Polans were already organized. So the Piasts didn't create the state; they took over an existing one. Luna: That makes Popiel a sort of placeholder for the previous ruling family. Lucas: Right. And it's possible that the real Popiel — if he existed — was simply the last ruler of a dynasty that the Piasts overthrew. The mice legend could be a folk memory of that coup, embellished over centuries. There's even a theory that the mice represent the Piast clan's emblem — the Piasts used a symbol that might have been a mouse or a rodent. Luna: Wait, the Piast eagle? Or something else? Lucas: The white eagle came later. The early Piast symbols are unclear. Some seals show a kind of animal that could be a mouse or a weasel. But it's speculative. What's more solid is the location: the settlement on Lake Gopło was a major center. It's been excavated, and it shows signs of destruction by fire around the late 9th century — exactly when the Piasts might have taken over. Luna: So the legend might literally be built on ashes. Lucas: Possibly. And Gallus, writing 200 years later, used that folk memory to craft a morality tale. He's not writing history as we'd understand it — he's writing a dynastic origin myth. But by analyzing it carefully, we can extract clues about the 9th-century world: the power struggles, the role of feasts and hospitality, the importance of kin-slaying as a taboo. Luna: What about the name 'Popiel' itself? Does it mean anything? Lucas: Some linguists connect it to 'popiół' — Polish for 'ash'. That would be a fitting name for a ruler who ends in destruction. But others say it's a variant of 'Pompiliusz', a Roman name that might have come via Czech or German influence. Honestly, we don't know. The name might even be a later invention. Luna: So we're left with more questions than answers. Lucas: That's often the case with early medieval history. But that's what makes it fascinating. Popiel is a shadow — but a shadow that tells us a lot about how the Piasts wanted to be seen. They needed a dark past to contrast with their bright future. Luna: And that future included Mieszko's baptism, the crowning of Bolesław, and centuries of Polish statehood. Lucas: Exactly. So next time you see the Mouse Tower at Kruszwica, remember: it's not just a legend. It's a political statement carved into stone and story.