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Chris and Jesse Finally Agree · PlanetGeo: The Geology Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Planet Geo, the podcast where we talk about our amazing planet, how it works, and why it matters to you.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Christopher.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, how you doing, Dr.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Rymink?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just it always makes me feel good because you have said Dr.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Rymink hundreds of more times than you ever planned to in your life, I think.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it makes me happy.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: To be clear, I roll every single time.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Internally, you say it and you're like through gritted teeth.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: I do it to establish credibility.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's it, because you really don't deserve the I don't know.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's hard.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like um it's like calling your best friend sir or something like that.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's hey, you know, Chris, we are in a professional setting here.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta, you know, call me by my real name, Dr.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Jesse Rennes.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm looking at you right now and I'm gonna tell you, and I'm gonna tell everybody that's listening.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is not really that professional of a setting.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really not that professional.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're wearing a hoodie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do have the Harvard classics though behind you.
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  SPEAKER_01: That it's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had somebody ask me about them the other uh the other day over a Zoom meeting, and so I had to just tell me about that.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're just like, what are those books behind you?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Are they for show or what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, well, you know, partially.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know they're a gift and you know, it told them the story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it was good.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I have, you know what else I have.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: Did you did you actually give me credit for the gift?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I did.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I give you credit.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I give you credit when you're not here mostly.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you're not in the room, is when I give you credit.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also have our books, the books of uh people we've interviewed on this podcast, which is kind of fun to have as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I like having those in the uh bookshelf behind me too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by the way, I got another one sent to us that I gotta send to you.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, good, okay, exciting.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was for some reason she sent me two copies, and I gotta I gotta get it to you.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: So another publicist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, that's exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love interviewing authors about cool geoscience books.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really uh really exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which, Chris, actually is a good segue to this episode, which is a bit of a different one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really, we're gonna ask you, the listener, a favor this week, and we're gonna describe kind of what's happening, but we're really excited because we have a mobile app that is now available on the app store, on your iOS and Android app stores.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we're really excited about this, Chris.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why are we excited?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: We've we've been working forever, but we have.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a long time coming, it's exciting, but this is one of the few things that you and I actually full on agree with each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like this doesn't always happen.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is something that we both think is pretty awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just a little bit of the backstory on this, you know, we developed a web app a while back, and it's great, it's functional, it's pretty awesome.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And people are using it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you are one person who uses it, but but it is being used, which is a good sign and kind of what we wanted out of this, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is our unique approach on a video audio book.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's got our conversational podcast, which is typical, but then it's supplemented with you know custom designed gifts and diagrams and schematics and and video segments.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Chris, let me interrupt you real quick because I I agree completely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think maybe a little history of this is maybe interesting because when we started talking about doing Planet Geo, this podcast, you I think were really of the opinion that we should do kind of like a course, you know, like a structured kind of flow through geoscience, like the introductory geoscience thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was kind of against that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was one of our first fights.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it was one of our first fights about one of our first of many fights about planet geo.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what ended up happening is kind of we we batted around the idea, decided not to do it for the podcast, but we kept kind of coming back to it, circling back to it.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then we kind of tried, we did some trial stuff with I think we recorded minerals.
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  SPEAKER_00: We recorded a couple discussions where we talked about minerals, and people liked it, but the feedback was you gotta have visuals because like the silica tetrahedron is kind of hard to visualize if you don't have it in front of you, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So then it kind of dawned on us wait, we gotta put images in this thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We looked around for a long time at different platforms, and basically there's no platform that does what we wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we ended up thinking, well, crap, we gotta go build it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're excited because this is like the result of all of that work, all of that effort.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a mobile app that's really nice, really polished.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't agree more with you, Jesse, because this is something that I am passionate about down to my soul, and that is that geoscience is a beautiful science and it needs to be visual.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is what attracted me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with geoscience from pictures, from video segments that the people that were teaching me, that's what drew me in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't see a lot of the things firsthand, but I fell in love through the visual aspect of geoscience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I do my best to incorporate that in my own teaching now.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the most important things.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is get people outside, get them in the field, get them to see this amazing planet that we live on.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the next best thing to that is make it absolutely as visual as humanly possible, and that's what this app is all about.
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  SPEAKER_01: This technology that, by the way, is patent pending.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's pr it's pretty awesome.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: It speaks to my own pedagogical approach to teaching geoscience.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we have these images, you can navigate them independently, like with YouTube video.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you want to rewind the audio, you have to rewind the image as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this, you can just scroll back and forth through images when you have a moment and then listen to the audio separately.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we think that's really a nice thing.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: The mobile app, what's really exciting, is you can now download content and you can listen offline.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're going somewhere out of service, you can download chapters and episodes, you can listen to them offline, you get the images and the audio file downloaded.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: We also have some really nice features like the ability to display images on your lock phone.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, if you are listening to the episode, let's say you're listening to Camp Geo Minerals Introduction to Minerals, and you lock your screen, that image will pop up on your lock screen in your little native audio player now, which is a really nice feature.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can just quickly glance at your phone, see what image is there, and and you know, continue listening along.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things to like double-click on is the ability to download the content because when you're in national parks, you're usually in quite remote areas and you have limited coverage at best.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: And our web app is awesome, but the benefit of the mobile app is that being in these remote areas, you can download the content before you get to those remote areas and have complete and total access to it as you're saying driving through Yellowstone and wanting to learn about what exactly you're seeing and experiencing.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: So the mobile app now is available on the iOS and Android App Store.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: So if you go to your app store on your phone, you can just search Camp Geo.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what we've called the app.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or even easier, just use the link in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a link down there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Click on that link, it'll automatically bring you to the app store on your phone and you can download our app.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now we've added another feature in here, which some of you requested.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: On our web app, we only had the ability to log in using either a Google password or a Facebook login, what are called social logins.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now you can create a new account.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if you don't have Facebook and don't want to use your Gmail account to log in to CampGeo, you can make an account using an email address and a password that is your Camp Geo login password.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, Chris, this one in our beta trials, a couple people who shall remain nameless were a little confused by this, let's say.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: So do you find this confusing, Mr.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: I delete all my emails when I run out of storage space or not?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's not really fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: And no, I don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a piece of cake.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did have to help my mom with this, but you know, I guess she's not going to remain so nameless.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: But no, that's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Joyce, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's all good.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a dedicated, loyal listener, and so that's okay.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's totally okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're willing you are willing to help her out whenever she needs it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I let me just double-click on this real quick.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: When you go to CampGeo, you can log in with your Google account, your Facebook account, which uses your Facebook or Google email address and your password for that account.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we never know those passwords.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Or you can make a separate Camp Geo account.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: You can plug in an email address there, make up a password.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: That is now your Camp Geo password, and that'll be a separate account.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you can reset your password to do all of those things that you might need to do.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Chris, I get really frustrated with passwords.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: I use a password manager to manage all my passwords, and it was like life-changing a couple years ago when I started doing that because oh my goodness, the amount of forget your password things.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I always use the social logins um or have a password manager that manages that stuff for me, and it's worth every penny.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: But some people don't, and they like to use Crisple Heist12345 as your password for everything.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: So just to be clear, Jesse, I also use a password manager, and so that is not me.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: I am somewhat with the times.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the last thing to note, the web app still works, it's still up and running, it's still working.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if you like using that through your browser window on your phone, you can continue doing that.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: We think that the mobile app, just because it's a downloadable app, has more functionality and a few more features, so you can migrate over there.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I use that downloadable feature all the time, like when I'm listening to Spotify or something like that.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I love music.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know that about me.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: I love music, I love live music.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I'm in remote areas and I don't have access, I all my playlists are downloaded, and it it's that same functionality that we've been able to incorporate now.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: But Jesse, let's talk about what's in it, right?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you go and you download the Camp Geo app, okay.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: We have our conversational textbook that has what, Jesse, almost 30 hours of content on there.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at least, yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Covers everything from minerals we've gotten all the way to volcanoes and earthquakes, and we're we're continuing to build that stuff in the background as well.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, it's not quite completed.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say it's like a complete and total replacement for an intro to geoscience textbook, but it's pretty dang close.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's very close.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a couple chapters we need to knock off, but apart from that, we're pretty close.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're still working on it, but absolutely it's an awesome way to have this structured learning that scratches that itch for me, you know, with our discussion sitting on my front porch about how are we going to do our podcast.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this book, it does that for me.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: It scratches that we're finally doing four years later, we're doing what Chris wanted initially.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we have that on there that's free, and we have also our podcasts that are organized by topic.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: This was an interesting, I think, decision for us is that you know, we recognize we have so many podcast episodes, and they don't have images integrated with them because the way we do our podcast is, you know, we're not talking about images.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're not built on the back of images.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: But we decided that, you know, looking at the list, the way I wanted the podcast to work is kind of how it has worked out, where it's somewhat random, and you know, it's kind of a random walk through geology based on whatever we're interested in talking about that week.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's not always the best for going back and learning.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so we decided to put all of our planet geo episodes on our app, on the Camp Geo app, and we've organized them kind of by topic, loosely based by topic.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to learn about critical minerals, you can go and listen to lithium, uranium, interview in the Daldasar, like a bunch of things in that theme.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to learn about streams, all of our streams episodes are in you know a streams chapter there, which makes it a lot easier, I think, to navigate.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you can go there and listen to our old podcast episodes as well.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing that you and I are overly excited about is our Yellowstone National Park video audio book.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, real quick, Chris, let me interrupt here.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we are a little bit struggling, so we're asking you to do a couple things for us.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: One of them is to, if you have an idea, if you're using Camp Geo, if you're using the Yellowstone book, we've been calling these things between Chris, you and I, our conversations, we've been calling them visual audiobooks.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's not the best name ever.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: We'll admit that.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: We've been calling it conversational textbooks.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of a little bit better.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: We don't really know what to call this thing.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have an idea, if you're listening to it and you're like, hey, this is what they should call it, send us an email.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Ping us with that, because we'd really appreciate your feedback.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: We've thought too deep.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: We are too in the weeds to come up with like a name for what this thing is.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's more than an audiobook, but anyway, if you have an idea, let us know.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And in this Yellowstone audio visual book, we have 13 chapters covered.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we always start because we're gonna do not just Yellowstone, we're working on Grand Canyon, which is gonna become live in a in a couple of months, and then we're gonna work on Zion and we're working our way through the places that we think are where this fills a need.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so the Yellowstone National Park visual audiobook, and and that's what we're calling it for now, has 13 chapters.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: We're always kind of starting each chapter on the national parks with the human history, and then we really think it's important to cover the 30,000-foot view.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like Chris, you built this beautiful mental imagery of hanging out in a hot air balloon really high above the geological region and watching it for all of Earth history.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just what are the major events?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are we looking down on the earth and seeing happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's with a remote control in your hand, with a remote control.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you can fast forward, you can rewind, you can push pause, and and then that's the way that I have always wanted to see geology.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's just such a beautiful visual, and it gives us kind of the overview of the geological story.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then for Yellowstone, we've gone into detail on all of you know the marquee features.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: So old faithful, mammoth hot springs.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: We have chapters on each of those.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: With we get into some detailed geology there and geochemistry and really interesting, important stuff.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Detailed though, it's really informative.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I've had my uh in-laws went in Yellowstone this past summer and they had this, they had our Yellowstone book, and they thought that it really, really enriched their experience because they could learn about the thing while they're driving to Old Faithful and then see it and be like, Oh, yeah, this makes sense.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can picture the camera that the geologist sent down the throat of Old Faithful.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Think about what it looks like inside of there.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we think it's it's super valuable to people.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know it's super valuable to people a bit because that's how confident I am in the quality of this product.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: But we don't just cover the marquee attractions, we also cover the major geologic concepts that surround that area, that geographic area.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: So Yellowstone is very different than the Grand Canyon.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so the overarching geologic concepts are different.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we have chapters devoted to those overarching geologic concepts for that particular place, also.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's this is not I think this is important to point out too that this is not a like a tour guidebook where you go from stop one to stop two, stop three, and so on.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is organized in a way where, especially with a place like Yellowstone, it's so big.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, they have a chapter devoted to old faithful.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go to old faithful today.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you can skip around in terms of this audio textbook thing based upon where you're gonna be at that particular time.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a great point, Chris.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think we can wrap up by asking a couple favors this week.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: One, go download our Camp Geo app.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: We really would appreciate that if you go check it out.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Apps, it turns out, require ratings and reviews, and these help almost even more than podcast ratings and reviews.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: So if you go and download our Camp Geo app, again, just search Camp Geo in your app store or click on the first link in the show notes there.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Download it, leave us a rating and a review that really, really helps us sort of build upon the framework that we've got here.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the other two things, if you have uh an idea for a book, an audio book, a visual audio book that you think would be really interesting to have, shoot us an email.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: We're playing around with a couple different ideas of how to grow this and what different things to build.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you have an idea, shoot us an email.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Something you'd like to see there.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Can't promise we'll get to it in a couple months, but we can start thinking about what we want to do in the future there too.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So if you could do that for us, we would really appreciate it.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: So one other thing that I want to add, Jesse, my idea for a title, and I want to again emphasize what you said.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Just if you have an idea for what we should call this, then we would appreciate an email.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: But my idea is understanding and then fill in the blank.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like understanding Yellowstone, understanding the Grand Canyon.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you don't like it, um, but we rarely agree on titles.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, if you have an idea for a topic or a title or any or a a different style of audiobook that were that would be interesting, we've talked about Chris a short history of the earth from a geological standpoint.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hey, that's something we could probably put together if people are interested in it.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: So let us know what you think.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: And as always, you can head over to our website, planetgeocast.com.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: There you can like, subscribe, review, learn more about us, see our old episodes.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can also head over to the Camp Geo Mobile app now to see old episodes.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Leave us a rating and review on your podcast app.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: We always appreciate that.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And send us an email, planetgeocast at gmail.com.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers, Erica Dahlman, next week.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Peace.