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GABBY PETITO AUTOPSY NOW: Boyfriend Brian Laundrie on the Run · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: At this hour, we know that a forensic pathologist is
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Speaker 1: on his way traveling across the state of Wyoming to
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Speaker 1: perform the autopsy on twenty two year old Gabby Potito.
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Speaker 1: This as the so called boyfriend Brian Laundry on the lamb,
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Speaker 1: missing or hiding as Gabby's parents say, But why and where?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories? With Nancy Grace joining me an all start
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of it all. But first I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut one
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Speaker 1: one one our friends at Fox thirteen. This morning, Norport
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Speaker 1: Police announced the search at the Carlton Reserves, meaning more
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Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty thousand acres had been finished.
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Speaker 1: He said, at this point it appears that they've exhausted
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Speaker 1: all avenues of searching there and they were moving on
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Speaker 1: to other locations now. The search started after Brian's family
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Speaker 1: called investigators on Friday to report him missing. They told
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Speaker 1: investigators he left on Tuesday with a backpack, saying he
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Speaker 1: was headed out to the Carlton Reserve. We know at
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Speaker 1: some point a car that Brian's parents said was his
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Speaker 1: was found at the park, but his parents then brought
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Speaker 1: it back home here to their Northport address. Okay, you're
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Speaker 1: hearing Kimberly Kazan at Fox thirteen. But what we know
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Speaker 1: is it's a twenty five thousand acre a reserve. The
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Speaker 1: search is back on now. It was called off. Many
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Speaker 1: league legals thought the search was done Carlton Reserve, but
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Speaker 1: apparently the search is back on with me Carson, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of Jacksonville and also former FBI agent.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Allan Blockkey, psychologist joining us out of Birmingham specializing
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Speaker 1: in criminal psychology. Cheryl McCollum, founder Director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State
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Speaker 1: University and author Audrey Collins joining us from Fox News
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Speaker 1: Digital and Michael Ruiz Special guests joining us also from
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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital. Straight out to Fox News Digital. Michael Ruiz, Now,
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Speaker 1: I understand that doctor Brent Blue is the Teton County coroner.
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Speaker 1: That's where the autopsy on Gabby is to take place,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that's who's performing the autopsy right Anthy, Yes,
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Speaker 1: there is going to be a forensic pathologist coming in
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Speaker 1: to assist with the autopsy. We're expecting to hear some
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Speaker 1: of that today, so we should maybe get result later
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Speaker 1: today or possibly depending on how long it takes into tomorrow. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about that one quick moment before we go
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Speaker 1: back to the search for Brian Laundry, the so called
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Speaker 1: boyfriend just got Morgan death Investigator Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University,
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Speaker 1: Just Scott. A regular autopsy will take anywhere between one
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Speaker 1: to ten hours. Would you agree on that? Oh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: very much so. This case in and of itself, Nancy
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Speaker 1: is going to be so very involved. And there's a
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Speaker 1: reason they didn't do this post yesterday. The reason is
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Speaker 1: is that they're attempting to marshal every resource they can.
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Speaker 1: Not only are they going to have a board certified
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist there to do the autopsy? First of all,
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Speaker 1: First of all, before we get to your suspicions and
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Speaker 1: all that's going on up in your head, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about what we absolutely know. Okay, you said a board
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Speaker 1: certified forensic pathologist. Now, doctor Brent Blue, we know he's
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Speaker 1: a doctor. Why would he performed the autopsy? He's right
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Speaker 1: there in teach On County. Why would you want somebody
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Speaker 1: that's not a board certified forensic pathologist to do this automi?
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Speaker 1: I'm just enjoy let me let me, let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you the why, because out of all
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Speaker 1: the cases that they have had to answer my questions
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Speaker 1: with a question, we don't like that go out. I'm
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Speaker 1: giving you a question. I'm giving you an affirmative statement here, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The idea is that this is the most high profile
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Speaker 1: case they have had, maybe ever. I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: The blaring light of the media is on them. They're
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Speaker 1: gonna want to board certified. That is somebody that has
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Speaker 1: got specific training in for forensic pathology to do this autopsy,
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Speaker 1: and they will be there to do this post. That's
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Speaker 1: why they didn't do it yesterday. Why are you calling
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Speaker 1: it a post You may post mortem. See the rest
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Speaker 1: of us calling an automist fortem examinations post all right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder director of the
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. He's right. And Joe Scott, I
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Speaker 1: know you've got a lot to say on this since
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Speaker 1: that's your specialty. But Cheryl, Jeff Scott is right. You
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Speaker 1: don't want a foot doctor to perform your brain surgery
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Speaker 1: or your open heart. This doctor, this local doctor, doctor
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Speaker 1: Brent Blue, is the Teton County coroner. That's an elected
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Speaker 1: position in most jurisdictions, which means he's probably a great doctor,
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if he is a board certified
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist. I mean when you see all this on TV,
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Speaker 1: like the coroners, the medical examiners that perform all of
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Speaker 1: these unusual tests, that's real. That is real, that really happens.
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Speaker 1: And this is an expertise. It's like in my world
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Speaker 1: hiring tax attorney to go in and prosecute a triple homicide.
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Speaker 1: That is not going to happen. So what are they
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Speaker 1: going to be looking for, Cheryl McCollum around the scene,
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Speaker 1: the scene where Gabby's body was found. What is critical
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Speaker 1: that they preserved at that scene before they even take
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Speaker 1: her body to the morgue. They are gonna mark and
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Speaker 1: take photographs of exactly how her body was laying, was
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Speaker 1: she faced up, was she on her side, where her
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Speaker 1: feet under her, where her arms under her, exactly how
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Speaker 1: she looked. They're going to measure everything. Then they're gonna
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Speaker 1: look for items that might be around her. Yl. For instance,
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Speaker 1: earlier this morning, I was having a conversation about Gabby's
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Speaker 1: body and the person said, how do I know she
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Speaker 1: didn't fall from a tree. Well, okay, number one, she
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Speaker 1: didn't fall from a tree, but the position of her body,
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Speaker 1: as you were just saying, when her feet under her,
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Speaker 1: that kind of a fall or an accident could be
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Speaker 1: revealed in just the position of her body. And that
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Speaker 1: is why God willing that the medical examiner said their
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Speaker 1: own investigators to the scene to look at everything, take
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Speaker 1: the appropriate pictures before the body was moved. Excuse me,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. They're also going to look for different types
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Speaker 1: of dirt on her. Does she have gravel and there's
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Speaker 1: no gravel where she is. Does she have you know,
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Speaker 1: injuries that don't have small rocks or sand or dirt
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Speaker 1: in them. They're going to look for bruises that she
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Speaker 1: might have had prior to her death. What were you
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Speaker 1: saying about the gravel and the sand and the dirt.
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Speaker 1: For example, let's just assume that somebody drug her and
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Speaker 1: then threw her off where she would have been drug
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Speaker 1: would have some you know, scratches from you know, briars
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Speaker 1: so to speak. Found out where the actual killing the
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Speaker 1: kurds Dale. They've got to find out where the actual
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Speaker 1: death occurred, and that might not be where the body
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Speaker 1: was found. You're right. You're right, because I understand from
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Speaker 1: I guess we spoke to yesterday who told me that
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Speaker 1: at her news agency had drones in the area they
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Speaker 1: saw Gabby lying under some trees. They couldn't really make
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Speaker 1: it out that well, but then suddenly all of the
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Speaker 1: searchers went to that area and she was convinced it
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Speaker 1: wasn't she. Wasn't she, Jackie, that Gabby was not buried
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Speaker 1: because they could see maybe it was a color of
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Speaker 1: a T shirt or something from the air that suggested
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Speaker 1: Gabby was lying out under some trees. So what Dale Carson,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Cheryl McCollum Cold Case Research Institute is saying
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Speaker 1: is correct. Was she dragged there? Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I want to go out to Audrey Colin joining us
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Speaker 1: from Wyoming right now. Audrey, do you believe, as many
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Speaker 1: of us do, that the social media person as I'm
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Speaker 1: calling them, the YouTuber that was on her own trip
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Speaker 1: I think with her husband, the Bethunes. Do you think
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Speaker 1: them driving by and seeing that camper, they were alerted
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Speaker 1: because it had a Florida tag there from Florida. They
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Speaker 1: wanted to say hello, but when they looked at it.
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Speaker 1: It was all closed up and dark and nobody was there.
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Speaker 1: Was that what tipped off the law to search that
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Speaker 1: area bridge or Titon the Spread Creek? Yes, absolutely, I
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Speaker 1: think that those travelers, those bloggers who captured the van
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Speaker 1: on their video, I think that was really helpful to
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Speaker 1: the FBI on Saturday. The FBI told us kind of
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Speaker 1: where to look, and we went over to the area
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Speaker 1: the next day and there was a cop car guarding
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Speaker 1: the entrance to the camp site and that's where the
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Speaker 1: search was underway. To doctor Alan Blockkeey, PA clinical forensics
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Birmingham, Doctor Blackie, is great
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Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I've done it too. I've
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Speaker 1: done it too, and I'm not proud of it. But
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Speaker 1: sometimes the hard questions have to be asked of law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's piling on the Northport police right now. Why didn't
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Speaker 1: you arrest laundry sooner? Why didn't you this? Why didn't
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Speaker 1: you that? Now people are arguing about the discovery of
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Speaker 1: her body, Doctor Blackie, why I've hated the area many
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Speaker 1: many times. It's like Nila and hey, so you say
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Speaker 1: the tea times, the tea times. The first time I
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Speaker 1: saw the Tea Times. I got off a planet turn
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Speaker 1: around went because I had never seen anything like it.
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Speaker 1: I remember the moment I went when I saw the
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Speaker 1: Tea Times for the first time in real life, not
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Speaker 1: just a picture or in the encyclopedia. Yes there was
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Speaker 1: an encyclopedia. Then they're overwhelming. So why do we want
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Speaker 1: to pile on? Is it because we're so angry about
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Speaker 1: what happened, Gabby that we want to just point the
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Speaker 1: finger anywhere? Yeah, and we want quick answers, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of times the answers are not quick. It's a
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Speaker 1: slow process. It's methodical, and we have to be patient,
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Speaker 1: and we're not good at being patient. I'm not good
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Speaker 1: at being good at being patient. Oh. Back to Audrey
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Speaker 1: Conlin and Michael Ruise, our special guests joining us today
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Speaker 1: from Fox News Digital. I mean, Michael, I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: what Audrey, your counterpart, just said about having one cop
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Speaker 1: car or sheriff car. They're guarding the area of this vast,
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Speaker 1: vast preserve. And we also have to remember, Michael, you've
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Speaker 1: just come back from Wyoming. They were in a dispersed
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Speaker 1: camping area, which means you're not on the grid at all,
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Speaker 1: you're away from those porta parties and that gravel parking lot,
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Speaker 1: and you're out in the wilderness with the animals, which
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Speaker 1: makes it even harder to find. It makes me lad
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Speaker 1: when everyone is piling on for law enforcement for not
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Speaker 1: finding her earlier. Yes, Nanthy, that's exactly right there. That's
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Speaker 1: bear country. There are grizzlies, there are black bears. There
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Speaker 1: are at least three wolf packs, the wild Blore mountain lions,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of animals out there that could have, you know,
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Speaker 1: interacted with the body if they came across at first.
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Speaker 1: So it's a wild land and it is very remote,
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Speaker 1: several miles outside town plus several miles up the trail
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Speaker 1: from where we were, according to off By Police. Describe
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Speaker 1: what it looks like, Michael Nanthew, you were just talking about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the pictures of the Tea Time Mountains in
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Speaker 1: the encyclopedia, and in person it's it's so vast and
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Speaker 1: so beautiful, and the weather can change. In the harpeat
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Speaker 1: we were there, it was pouring raining for a couple
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Speaker 1: of minutes, then the sun came out. There was a
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Speaker 1: time where right after the corner van laughs, the clouds
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Speaker 1: cleared up and a rainbow came from the back of
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Speaker 1: the trail near where they found her body. So that
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Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of of high dynamic the
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Speaker 1: sky can be when you're when you're out there. You
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Speaker 1: know another thing, Audrey Colin, who's joining us from Wyoming
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Speaker 1: right now, Audrey, listen to what Michael always says. Jackie,
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Speaker 1: you're the first person that told me that a rainbow
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Speaker 1: had manifested over where Yeahby's body had been found during COVID.
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Speaker 1: At the height of COVID, Audrey, when nobody really knew
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Speaker 1: anything and there wasn't a vaccine, we canceled everything that
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Speaker 1: summer and it was last summer and got an RV,
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Speaker 1: rented one and went all the way from Atlanta, all
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Speaker 1: the way across the country to the Tetons in Yellowstone.
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Speaker 1: And when we first got there there for one day
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Speaker 1: we had a guide. Then we hoofed it on our own.
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Speaker 1: The guide insisted we all take bare spray. It's like
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Speaker 1: a big aerosol can and you put it in the
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Speaker 1: side of you know, like on your hip, or take
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Speaker 1: it with you in your backpack. And my son and
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Speaker 1: I was looking at my son said, you really think
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Speaker 1: I can of air sau sprite is going to stop
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Speaker 1: a bear. It is bear country, Audrey, and that's another
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Speaker 1: thing they have to take into account. Has her body
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Speaker 1: been so attacked by animals that we cannot get a
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Speaker 1: cod cause of death. Absolutely. We have talked to some
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Speaker 1: locals in the area. We talked to one photographer in particular.
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Speaker 1: His name's Tim Mayo and he has lived here for
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Speaker 1: a while. He was telling us that it's very likely
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Speaker 1: animals could have gone into her remains, you know, if
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Speaker 1: she was killed, and that'll definitely make it more difficult
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Speaker 1: for a forensic pathologist, I think. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: know his expertise, but it will definitely make it more
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Speaker 1: difficult to examine those remains. To Austrey Colin, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: circle back with you, Joe Scott, just hold that thought
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Speaker 1: for just a moment. I'm going to ask Audrey Colin
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Speaker 1: and Michael rewis a question I bet nobody's asked you before.
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Speaker 1: What was it like there during the search for Gabby
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Speaker 1: and you're out in the middle literally of nowhere, overwhelmed
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Speaker 1: by the huge expanse, the beauty of it and the
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Speaker 1: wildness of it all. I mean, what's your takeaway, Audrey
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Speaker 1: as You're standing there waiting to find out where's Gabby
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Speaker 1: as you hear what did you see? What did you feel?
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Speaker 1: What did you hear? Well, the whole thing has been
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Speaker 1: really surreal. I think it was surreal for both of us.
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Speaker 1: The beauty is really kind of shadowed by the tragedy here,
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Speaker 1: or at least what we think is a tragedy, And
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Speaker 1: it's just wild in the most literal sense of the term.
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful landscape, but the situation is very scary. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Michael Ruise, I'm hearing what Audrey is saying. I remember,
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Speaker 1: just for example, I remember memory going into a courtroom
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Speaker 1: pushing open the swinging doors because I'd wait till everything
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Speaker 1: was settled before I would go in and start an
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Speaker 1: opening statement. I didn't want any distractions. And that moment,
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Speaker 1: that moment where either you hit a home run, are
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Speaker 1: you struck out? What was that like? As you're standing there, Michael,
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Speaker 1: and everybody's you know, that out and that rugged terrain,
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Speaker 1: people are looking for this girl who's probably dead. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was it was very difficult for me in my
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Speaker 1: head to put together how someone could do hurt someone
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Speaker 1: in such a beautiful area. I mean, you know, if
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Speaker 1: you just look at the landscape, it's so tranquil and
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Speaker 1: you're in nature, and it's really just gives you an
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Speaker 1: idea of how impressive our country can be if you
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Speaker 1: just go out into the national parks and look around
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Speaker 1: in nature. And another thing I want to note, you know,
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Speaker 1: when the search crew as we're leaving after they found
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Speaker 1: the body, there were people with cheery eyes in those
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Speaker 1: vehicles as they were pulling out, and it was so
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Speaker 1: I think it was not only upsetting for everyone and
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Speaker 1: everyone watching, but the volunteer search and rescue crew who
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Speaker 1: was up there helping the investigators. I mean, it must
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Speaker 1: have hit It must have hit them pretty hard too.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, you know doctor Alan Blocky,
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Speaker 1: clinical and forensic psychologists joining us out of Birmingham. Doctor Blocky,
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Speaker 1: I guess everybody on this panel may do this because
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Speaker 1: I did and still do. If I let myself think
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Speaker 1: about the details that Michael Rui's and Audrey Colin are
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Speaker 1: telling us, I get overwhelmed, flummixed. I have to have
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Speaker 1: tunnel vision and look only at the facts for their
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Speaker 1: probitive value. What do they prove? What can I prove?
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Speaker 1: With this fact? We can I prove with that fact
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Speaker 1: because if you think about the human aspect, best case
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Speaker 1: scenario leaving her body there to be destroyed by animals
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Speaker 1: and decompose like rotting fruit or killing her, or just
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Speaker 1: leaving her chasing the van, don't leave, don't leave, don't
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Speaker 1: leave as he has done before. Those are really the
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Speaker 1: only three scenarios. If you think about that, it's overwhelming,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to keep going. What is that part of
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Speaker 1: us that switches it off so we don't compartmentalization? Is
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Speaker 1: that what it is? Yeah, exactly being able to compartmentalize, because,
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Speaker 1: like you said, if you stick with the emotional part
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Speaker 1: of it, it's overwhelming and it's upsetting and it paralyzes you.
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Speaker 1: And you have to get away from that. You have
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Speaker 1: to put it in your back pocket to stay focused
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Speaker 1: as best as you can on the facts, on the
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Speaker 1: reality of it in order to make progress in an
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Speaker 1: order to do what needs to be done for this
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Speaker 1: young girl. Yeah, Cheryl McCallum, you and I've been in
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Speaker 1: the trenches, and I mean in the physical trenches and
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Speaker 1: so many crime scenes across Atlanta and Metsho, Atlanta, in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, early morning, sun, hot afternoons
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Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, Cheryl about what I think
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Speaker 1: it was, Michael said, Michael Ruise that when a lot
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Speaker 1: of the searchers left, they started crying, but in the
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Speaker 1: moment they performed. How many times, I mean, have I
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Speaker 1: had to just pull off the road leaving a crime
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Speaker 1: scene or an autopsy or a day in court and
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Speaker 1: just breakdown. I could just see them after finding Gabby's body.
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Speaker 1: You know, they did what they had to do. They
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Speaker 1: it's a scene, and then just go to their car
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Speaker 1: and fall apart. You know, you and I both have
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Speaker 1: talked about when we were younger. To Kill a Mockingbird
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Speaker 1: was a very influential book for both of us. And
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Speaker 1: there's a part of that book where it says some
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Speaker 1: of us are chosen for the unpleasant jobs, and that's
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Speaker 1: just true. There are a lot of times where you
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Speaker 1: and I both have been inside a crime team that
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Speaker 1: was just evil and what another person can do to
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Speaker 1: another is just unspeakable. But we're in the middle of it,
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Speaker 1: and we have got to make sure that the worst
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Speaker 1: thing has happened. But we're going to gag umwell do
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Speaker 1: something about it, and so we have to rise to
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Speaker 1: that occasion. Now again once that's over. We're human and
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Speaker 1: we're going to react like anybody else is going to
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Speaker 1: react at the loss of this incredibly beautiful young life.
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Speaker 1: That should not have happened. Oh yeah, I talked about
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Speaker 1: it should not have happened. Where sound a male caller,
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Speaker 1: not the cops in Moab that separate them, and you've
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Speaker 1: got the body cam, and I thought the cops were very,
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Speaker 1: very gracious, although I think Laundry was the aggressor. I
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Speaker 1: think they got that part wrong. But there's another ni'm
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Speaker 1: one call where they see Brian Laundry slapping and hitting
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Speaker 1: Gabby and she's running up the sidewalk and then they
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Speaker 1: drive away. So yes, there are all the warning signals.
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Speaker 1: But Joe Scott Morgan and we're gonna circle back to
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, where the hey is he right now? But
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I guess everything. I don't think you
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Speaker 1: liked anything that Michael Ruis or Autrey Colins said because
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Speaker 1: they're talking about the vastness of the scene, animal activity,
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Speaker 1: the elements. You know, it's cold, and it's hot, then
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Speaker 1: it's rainy, then it's wet. What is that going to
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Speaker 1: do for this medical medical exam that as we speak
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Speaker 1: is probably right now entering the Teton County Coroner's office
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Speaker 1: to commence the autopsy on Gabby Potito, and we go
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Speaker 1: to air right now with this in our minds. That's
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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. Yeah, all of those elements are
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Speaker 1: going to play into the final judgment that this forensic
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Speaker 1: pathologist makes, Nancy, because the environment that a body is
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Speaker 1: found in is going to dictate, most importantly the rate
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Speaker 1: of decomposition. And as you well know, time is the
22:31
Speaker 1: biggest issue here when we're trying to develop a timeline
22:34
Speaker 1: as to what has happened. This has got to be
22:37
Speaker 1: one of the most confusing cases relative to evidence, where
22:40
Speaker 1: people were all these sorts of things and everybody is
22:43
Speaker 1: looking at this body that to this point is not
22:47
Speaker 1: officially identified as that marker in time. Do you think
22:51
Speaker 1: that data from the tattoos? I don't believe in tattoo
22:55
Speaker 1: I d I think that I want scientific place to start.
23:00
Speaker 1: Not what I asked you. They came out and said,
23:04
Speaker 1: while we don't have an official ID, we think it's Gabby.
23:08
Speaker 1: Why did they think it was Gabby? I assume because
23:11
Speaker 1: of the color of the hair, which would still be
23:14
Speaker 1: attached to the scalp, and the possibility that her tattoos
23:17
Speaker 1: are still intact. Yet we're making a big but who's
23:21
Speaker 1: that is that? Dale? If the personal items would tell
23:24
Speaker 1: you as well, do you mean her close her her clothes,
23:27
Speaker 1: anything like that would give you a clue. In combination,
23:31
Speaker 1: It's like a so you find a piece of luggage,
23:35
Speaker 1: the turs, you find a mark on our arm, the
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Speaker 1: tchurs from the tattoo. All those things in combination tell
23:42
Speaker 1: you pretty quickly whether a turn or not. And I
23:45
Speaker 1: can assure you the Bureau's not going to go on
23:47
Speaker 1: live and say it's her when it's not. Yeah, you're
23:51
Speaker 1: right about that, crossing your form an FBI agent Joe
23:55
Speaker 1: Scott that I've immediately jumped the next step, and that
23:58
Speaker 1: is if they could I identify her or from a tattoo,
24:01
Speaker 1: well you know what that means. That means she still
24:04
Speaker 1: her skin is still on her body, which may mean
24:07
Speaker 1: we're going to get a cause of death. Yeah, we
24:10
Speaker 1: very well might, and we will. We will. They'll come
24:12
Speaker 1: up with something at this point, but not today. It's
24:16
Speaker 1: not going to happen today. Everybody needs to just diving back.
24:20
Speaker 1: What if they say dark bruise marks. You're telling you
24:23
Speaker 1: why we've been doing this long enough Nancy that all
24:25
Speaker 1: of us understand what they're going to come out and
24:27
Speaker 1: do is they're gonna say this is going to be
24:29
Speaker 1: pending toxicology. That's what they're looking at. This is a
24:32
Speaker 1: big beast of this. Remember that moment in time when
24:34
Speaker 1: she was on the side of the road and she
24:36
Speaker 1: was saying, I'm suffering from OCD, I've got to anxiety issues.
24:41
Speaker 1: And there's also been this has been floating around out
24:43
Speaker 1: there that both of these individuals were without medication. Now
24:48
Speaker 1: I can tell you they're going to want to determine
24:51
Speaker 1: what was in both in her system specifically, they're going
24:55
Speaker 1: to want to know that because again this goes to
24:57
Speaker 1: the narrative, the investigative narrative about the behavior at the line.
25:03
Speaker 1: They're not going to give us a COD cause of
25:05
Speaker 1: death today, although I want one, but I think they're
25:08
Speaker 1: gonna know. They're gonna say they're waiting on toxicology, but
25:11
Speaker 1: they're gonna know what thee If they're gonna ever get
25:14
Speaker 1: the COD, they'll have it today. They'll be able to
25:18
Speaker 1: determine is their deep tissue bruising under her neck and
25:22
Speaker 1: the muscles are their strangle marks on her neck? Is
25:26
Speaker 1: there a stab wound to her body? And nick to
25:29
Speaker 1: one of the bones? Guys, could at all have been avoided?
25:36
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut one fifteen the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call Grant Kenny Chairs office, a description of Hi,
25:45
Speaker 1: can you hear me? Sir? Yeah, Hi, I'm calling. I'm
25:50
Speaker 1: right on the corner of Main Street by Moonflower and
25:55
Speaker 1: we're driving by, and I'd like to report a domestic
25:57
Speaker 1: dispute to Florida with the white van Florida lighting, white
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Speaker 1: Land gentleman beard. They just drove off. They're going down
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Speaker 1: Main Street. They made a right onto Main Street from
26:09
Speaker 1: Moonflower or what were they doing? Operatives? But what do
26:14
Speaker 1: you say? What were they doing? We drove by and
26:17
Speaker 1: the gentleman was slapping the girl who was slapping her, yes,
26:22
Speaker 1: and then we stopped. They ran up and down the sidewalk.
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Speaker 1: He proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and
26:27
Speaker 1: they drove off. Okay, you said, it's a white van. White,
26:32
Speaker 1: Then I give you the I give you license plate
26:34
Speaker 1: if you give me one sec. I took a picture
26:36
Speaker 1: of it. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. They ran up
26:55
Speaker 1: and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hopped
26:58
Speaker 1: in the car and they drove off. Okay, you said
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Speaker 1: it's a white van. Wait then I give you this.
27:05
Speaker 1: I give you licenseated to give me one sec. I
27:07
Speaker 1: took a penture of it. You just heard a nine
27:09
Speaker 1: one one call that was played. It went to the
27:13
Speaker 1: sheriff's office. This is not the same incident where the
27:17
Speaker 1: Moab police saw Gabby's van jump up on a curb
27:24
Speaker 1: and then they stopped them. You've all seen that body
27:27
Speaker 1: camp footage. This is an entirely different thing, same jurisdiction.
27:33
Speaker 1: But remember they were talking about they were talking about
27:37
Speaker 1: the Moonflower co op. This was before they were pulled over.
27:41
Speaker 1: Another nine one one call comes in and the witness
27:45
Speaker 1: sees Brian Laundry slapping and hitting Gabby. Then, as I
27:50
Speaker 1: understand it, they go on and then they jump a
27:54
Speaker 1: curb and are going a few miles over the speed limit.
27:57
Speaker 1: Then they're pulled over. Then the body camp happens, and
28:00
Speaker 1: you never hear Gabby one time. Stay Brian Laundry just
28:04
Speaker 1: hit me and slap me. In fact, they named her
28:07
Speaker 1: as the aggressor. They're very gracious and very kind and
28:10
Speaker 1: very professional, but they named her the aggressor when I
28:13
Speaker 1: believe she showed all the hallmarks of being a battered woman.
28:17
Speaker 1: That's said, we've got a whole another can of worms
28:21
Speaker 1: as they search for Brian Laundry resumes. Audrey Conlin joining
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Speaker 1: us from Fox Views a Digital The search for Brian
28:30
Speaker 1: Laundry has resumed. What's happening. We've got reporters down in
28:34
Speaker 1: Florida right now. In Northport police are still searching the
28:39
Speaker 1: reserve down there near Brian tom near his family's home.
28:45
Speaker 1: They concluded their search I think yesterday. I'm not sure
28:50
Speaker 1: about that, but they resumed this morning, so they're still
28:53
Speaker 1: searching in that area, but so far there's been no
28:55
Speaker 1: signs at all at either his family's home or in
28:59
Speaker 1: the reserve. They've moved to the other side. They're in
29:05
Speaker 1: the Venice side of the reserve now, which is only
29:09
Speaker 1: a short distance from the family home, about two and
29:12
Speaker 1: a half miles, So they're just taking up another area
29:16
Speaker 1: that they're going to do a matic search on looking
29:18
Speaker 1: for him. No, Carson, are they out there with shacker dogs. Absolutely,
29:24
Speaker 1: They've still got a time frame for him and if
29:27
Speaker 1: he's moving about, you know, damp weather. It's better for
29:30
Speaker 1: dogs than fire. So yes, absolutely they're gonna find him
29:35
Speaker 1: if he's in that area. And remember when they took
29:37
Speaker 1: the car, They were looking in that car to determine
29:41
Speaker 1: whether or not he actually used that car to go
29:45
Speaker 1: to that other location where the car was ultimately found.
29:49
Speaker 1: Because after that search, they decided we'd better go back.
29:53
Speaker 1: He's not in the house. We've searched that thoroughly. We'd
29:56
Speaker 1: better to help go back to the reserve, the reserve rather. Yeah,
30:00
Speaker 1: you said something really important, Dell Carson straight out to
30:03
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining us. They thought there was a chance
30:06
Speaker 1: he was in the home when the FBI swarmed the
30:08
Speaker 1: home yesterday, because witnesses say that one of the Feds
30:12
Speaker 1: said looking there and was holding a gun and a
30:16
Speaker 1: big garden container that had a top on it, and
30:19
Speaker 1: they hit the top off and looked in there. So
30:22
Speaker 1: obviously they were thinking Brian Laundry maybe there, guys. The
30:26
Speaker 1: FBI and police have announced they are resuming the search
30:30
Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry right now in a twenty five thousand
30:33
Speaker 1: acre Florida reserve. This is the rainy season, much of
30:37
Speaker 1: it is underwater. There are times where cops are having
30:40
Speaker 1: to searchers are having to wade through two and a
30:43
Speaker 1: half three feet of water looking for Brian Laundry. They
30:48
Speaker 1: call the search off yesterday, they're back at it today.
30:51
Speaker 1: Jos got Morgan. If del Carson is right and there
30:54
Speaker 1: are treker dogs out there, if Brian Laundry had killed
30:59
Speaker 1: himself out in this preserved they would know it very quickly.
31:02
Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, yeah, they would. However, they are going
31:06
Speaker 1: to want to specific cadaver dogs as well, So that's
31:11
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting point relative to what kind
31:14
Speaker 1: of resources are they bringing out there. They are they
31:17
Speaker 1: going to use bloodhounds to look for a living individual.
31:19
Speaker 1: They're going to go back and get a cadaver dog
31:21
Speaker 1: that is actually trained for this. So this is something
31:24
Speaker 1: the media needs to start with, you would think so.
31:29
Speaker 1: And this is the other thing. If he is intent
31:31
Speaker 1: on and he knows he's purposed and what he's doing
31:35
Speaker 1: to kill himself, let's just put that out on the table.
31:38
Speaker 1: It's going to be even more difficult to find him
31:42
Speaker 1: if he's gone to a specific location that's in the
31:45
Speaker 1: water for it, perhaps, which I've actually had happened in
31:49
Speaker 1: this environment. It's going to make it doubly difficult to
31:52
Speaker 1: find his body. I'm still not buying that he's deceased,
31:55
Speaker 1: though I said dangerous, warn't for search cruise. They're waiting
31:58
Speaker 1: through gator AND's sake infested swamps and flooded hiking and
32:01
Speaker 1: biking trails. Cherylan say you jump in, mama. Nope, Dale,
32:06
Speaker 1: this is really important. His mama is not acting in
32:11
Speaker 1: a way that would be indicative of her believing that
32:14
Speaker 1: her baby is not alive. Without getting coffee. She is,
32:19
Speaker 1: you know, waiting Tuesday. She's waiting Wednesday, She's waiting Thursday.
32:24
Speaker 1: She's waiting all day Friday before she reports him quote missing.
32:29
Speaker 1: She ain't out there searching for him. She ain't frantic.
32:32
Speaker 1: She ain't got the priest at her house. She's not
32:34
Speaker 1: begging any friend that she might have left to look
32:38
Speaker 1: for him. She don't believe it, and neither do I.
32:41
Speaker 1: Devoid of urgency, I gotta say, Mike, So, doctor Alan Blacky.
32:48
Speaker 1: Based on what Cheryl and Dale Carson Joe Scott are
32:51
Speaker 1: saying about the mother's own behavior, let me throw this
32:55
Speaker 1: at you. You're the shrink. If he were a remorseful
33:00
Speaker 1: over what happened to Gabby, why would he wait till
33:03
Speaker 1: now to kill himself? I mean, what's the likelihood? I
33:07
Speaker 1: know this is a crapshoot, but why would you go
33:10
Speaker 1: out into a swamp, snake and gator infested, soaking wet
33:18
Speaker 1: reserve to kill yourself? Yeah? I don't. I don't buy
33:23
Speaker 1: it either. I don't buy that he's trying to kill
33:26
Speaker 1: him Is this block key? Yes? Go ahead, go ahead, doctor.
33:29
Speaker 1: I don't buy that he's trying to kill himself. None
33:31
Speaker 1: of it makes sense. Like you said, he hasn't been
33:34
Speaker 1: remorseful since day one. Everything he's done has been to
33:37
Speaker 1: a zone skin right and to hide, to hide, to hide.
33:41
Speaker 1: So I don't buy that this is a suicidal mission.
33:44
Speaker 1: He may end up to cease, but I don't believe
33:47
Speaker 1: this is a suicidal mission, which lays me to one
33:50
Speaker 1: of my old adages you've all heard when you don't
33:53
Speaker 1: know a horse. Look at his track record. He with
33:56
Speaker 1: his parents' help, had been hiding him and all pertinent
34:00
Speaker 1: evidence since September one. Why would they stop now? Hey guys,
34:07
Speaker 1: here's an update. Take a listen to our cut one seventeen.
34:11
Speaker 1: This is Brendan Kirby Fox ten in mobile A check
34:14
Speaker 1: with Mobile police here and also with the Mobile County
34:17
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. Lots of tips coming in, but nothing confirmed.
34:21
Speaker 1: All this exploding on social media, with people posting on
34:24
Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter about supposed sightings of Brian Laundry over
34:29
Speaker 1: the weekend here in the Mobile area. Some have indicated
34:33
Speaker 1: that with certainty that he's been here in the Mobile area.
34:37
Speaker 1: Law enforcement officers have been today busily trying to run
34:41
Speaker 1: down those leads, but a spokeswoman for Mobile Public Safety
34:44
Speaker 1: Director Lawrence Batiste tells me that none of those leads
34:48
Speaker 1: produced anything solid. They may not have produced anything solid,
34:53
Speaker 1: but do we believe Michael Ruiz, Fox News Digital that
34:57
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry has been sided Well, I do think that
35:01
Speaker 1: the social media tips are very helpful in this case.
35:05
Speaker 1: I mean, they've led us to a few breaking news incidents,
35:08
Speaker 1: incidences the people around the country recognize his face now,
35:12
Speaker 1: and people are seeing what his movements and they're very
35:15
Speaker 1: alert for that, and they're sharing that information with authorities
35:18
Speaker 1: and sort of closing in on someone on the LAMB
35:23
Speaker 1: Right now. Austrey Colin, reporter, Fox News Digital, cops are
35:27
Speaker 1: probing a Brian Laundry siding in Alabama near Mobile. What
35:33
Speaker 1: if anything. Do we know now? I do know they're
35:36
Speaker 1: at Tilman's Corner that a body was found near Walmart.
35:40
Speaker 1: It's not him, that was a homeless person, not Brian Laundry.
35:44
Speaker 1: But what about these sidings Autrey is or anything to them?
35:47
Speaker 1: Like Mike mentioned, I think social media tips can be
35:50
Speaker 1: really helpful, but they also need to be screwnized. They
35:55
Speaker 1: need to be looked at by law enforcement, by the FBI,
35:59
Speaker 1: to the German if they're you know, real or feak.
36:02
Speaker 1: And I think the authorities are probably handling that in
36:06
Speaker 1: this case. About the sighting in mobile, I don't know
36:10
Speaker 1: for certain if it was a real sighting or not.
36:13
Speaker 1: I've seen conflicting reports, so I can't speak to that
36:17
Speaker 1: somebody gave him a ride. I'm guaranteeing you that that
36:20
Speaker 1: vehicle is being processed right now for fingerprints, if we
36:24
Speaker 1: even have his fingerprints. Back home, guys, right now, let's
36:30
Speaker 1: keep in mind that the autopsy on this beautiful girl,
36:34
Speaker 1: Gabby Petito is occurring as we speak, as you are listening,
36:40
Speaker 1: She's being autopsy cut open to find a cause of death.
36:45
Speaker 1: This as a search for Brian Laundry resumes. And let
36:48
Speaker 1: me tell you one thing. I don't know what's going
36:51
Speaker 1: to happen at the end of the day with the
36:54
Speaker 1: cause of death or finding laundry today, but I can
36:56
Speaker 1: tell you this with certainty. If the cod is homicide,
37:02
Speaker 1: there's going to be hell to pay. Nancy Gray's Crime Story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,