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#373 - For Azeroth!: “Vanishing Valor" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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You are having a massive Crest Crest savings which means you
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can Max that gear out sooner, which then gives you an
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advantage in mythic plus against somebody who's not clearing the
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raid on mythic faster because your gear is now a higher level
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than they can get at the same point because we're capped by
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crests. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon for the Karen tour. For.
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Pandaria for calendar to the burning region for Gilnaeus or
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has not died for the Lich King for the Sindori for the Alliance
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for the. Horn for.
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Azeroth Hello and welcome back to another episode of For
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Azeroth. I am one of your host Manny.
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It gave true villain Manny and I have with me my 2 wonderful
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codes. First introducing from the
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lovely I was trying just trying to go for alliteration there,
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but I failed. What's the place in I was going
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to say Louisiana, but like I was thinking of something in between
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like Burroughs or like Countryside that I couldn't
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think of an L word. Anyways, Lex, how are you doing?
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What about Montana? I hear the Big Sky country.
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The mansions of Montana would work, but the like.
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What of Louisiana? Lagoons of Louisiana.
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Lagoons, I feel like there's there's another word that's like
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on the tip of my tongue, but I can't figure out what it is.
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And there's going to be like when people on Spotify made fun
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of us for not knowing the difference between crawfish and.
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Oh yeah, yeah. They make fun.
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Of yes, people like I can't believe three people don't know.
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I can't believe you get 3 people together and don't know anything
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about crawfish. And I'm like I want to take a.
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The La Bayous, we'll just go. We'll go flat out.
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We'll just go nice easy landscapes of Louisiana.
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There you go. And so Lex, how are you and
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how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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It's. Treating me good I got my little
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butterfly today I decided to actually grind for something for
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once in my life and because World of Warcraft loves bad luck
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protection. It was like 3 days and then I
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got my little butterfly. So yeah, I got a Pretty Little
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butterfly and tomorrow my Guild is doing our final run of
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dementias and then we will be obviously almost to actual
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midnight. So-called 1155 kids.
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There you go. Congratulations on the butterfly
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mount and I hope that you guys enjoy your last run of
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dementias. Everyone's doing.
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In my server about how we're never going to be able to do it
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because nobody's been practicing.
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And I'm like, well, we'll see. From what I've heard we will be
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OK. Yeah, I I think it was Sean who
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1st called it that. Like the heavy nerves made it
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pretty laughable to a lot of people so.
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You're doing it on Heroic, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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OK. Yeah, you'll be fine.
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And then the other voice that you just heard, of course, is
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Sean. Hello, Sean.
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How are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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I'm back. I took a show off.
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I recovered or recouped. I'm doing good.
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I haven't logged in to Warcraft. I did the love rocket a couple
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of times because I guess you're supposed to.
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I did see you logged in doing the love rocket.
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I was just like. Yeah, I just do it once a day.
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I pop in, I run it. If I get I got all of the other
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mounts except for the Love Rocket, but then because I got
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the butterfly I had to go and turn in my man card because that
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means I'm an awful person who doesn't love war enough or
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something. So there's that only.
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Hatred. That's right, there's that.
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Now I I had to sit in a re locked room with the lights
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dimmed and stare at that picture of gramma shell scream that was
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penned on a bar napkin by Chris Metzen 30 years ago until I felt
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the testosterone returned to my body.
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My penance has been served. OK, OK.
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They wouldn't let you out of the room until you could answer that
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age-old questions. Wahoo.
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What is it good for? That's.
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Right. That's right.
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Yeah, yeah. All right, OK, well, I, I
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haven't suffered that punishment yet, but I also got the
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butterfly this year, got the butterfly, got the sweeper broom
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that came out. And so all that is left is the
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X-45, which remains my Moby Dick.
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I am Captain Ahab. I have resorted to the old
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account. Yeah, I flat out like I was, I
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went like what? I think 3 days I was just like,
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I'll go run through it on all these different characters.
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I've actually got some characters I've hit like 80
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because of this now, so that now they're ready for midnight and
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like all of that. I guess I would have to do
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anyways, because in order to have a chance at the mount, you
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have to be like within, like, you have to like, at least try
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and run these characters through.
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But like, the first one is the highest, highest chance.
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And so, yeah, I eventually was like, screw it.
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Everybody was telling me like, just do the old account.
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And it feels dirty, guys. It feels like cheating.
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Do you have to pay for those accounts?
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No. Oh, they're just starter.
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They're starter accounts. Yeah.
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You so for people who don't know how this works because it isn't
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against the terms of service so I might as well just tell you
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here. What you do is you just go over
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to your Battle.net, you start up 4 starter accounts, you create
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characters that are level 10 on on a server, you group your
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starter accounts and your main account all into one party.
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So make sure that somebody can be a healer and somebody can be
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a tank. And then you've run the dungeon
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because you're getting the the heart-shaped box all at the same
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time and they're being generated at the same time.
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All of those five chances have the the increase odds of getting
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the the drops. So technically I've gotten 2
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butterflies on the same day. Go ahead.
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I remember in the before times when combat weak or as existed,
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a lot of people who I would classify probably as people who
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enjoy the content casually or collectors would scream you're
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only so good because the weak or as play for you when they're
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cheating. This is the collector version of
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weak or as playing the game for you.
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I'd say it's. Worse, but keep going.
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So yeah, if you're doing this, you're not really a collector,
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you're just getting it because you're cheating.
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So. Good news, man, Would you, would
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you say that like weak horse makes you less of a would you
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say that weak horse make you less of a cutting edge Raider
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because you had weak horse helping you there?
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I would if I am being facetious, if we're if we're playing.
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If we're playing Sean on the everyday, not just trying to win
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this argument, where does Sean stand?
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Oh, Sean would say, go get that mouth.
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Go get. OK, just wanted to know.
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Just because. Yeah, I don't know.
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Because. Eventually people are going to
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be like, huh, Sean seems to be talking out of both sides of his
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mouth. Is that cheating?
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Yeah, which Sean is the real Sean?
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And the answer is neither. OK.
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Yeah. So it's there.
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It does give you the greatly increased chances.
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It does ramp up bad luck protection for all of them
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except for the of course the X 45, which doesn't have bad luck
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protection. It just has its inflated chance
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and then its regular chance. No bad luck protection on that
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anyways. So then after I did that, I went
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and I got the ZAI Trustee glider, the one that you have to
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go into the raid. So I did some LFR.
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Sorry to those people who were not expecting their tank to
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ditch them part way through the boss after he got the stuff that
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I needed. Manny.
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You guys are telling me you go into LFR and you don't expect
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your tank to ditch part way through?
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At least I am the I am the tank. I am the tank, I know.
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So you know you're ditching part way.
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Through. I know you're prepared.
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Yeah, technically I'm only planning to do that one boss
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anyway, so I'm not ditching part way through.
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I've done what I wanted to do in LF.
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Yeah, it was. It was actually the one run I
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only ditched after the first boss.
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The second one, one I ditched after clearing all three because
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you needed to get past Fractalis in order to get to the place
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that I needed. So, you know, I wasn't always
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bad, I was just bad when it convenienced me.
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Yeah. But there's a lot going on in
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World of Warcraft, but we're we've got so much that we're
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going to have to narrow this down.
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The first thing that I want to talk about is some upcoming
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stuff that people are going to be dealing with.
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This is a change in the way that you upgrade your gear.
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Now everybody knows that valor points are going the way.
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As a dodo, we're not going to be dealing with those anymore.
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But it doesn't mean that you only need Crest to upgrade.
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They have changed it so that on top of using Crest, you will
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also need to pay some gold to upgrade your gear.
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Now. It isn't that.
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It isn't that the price is fixed, depending on what track
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of gear you're on, that price will it will increase.
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So veterans gear versus like mythic gear will have a
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different cost per upgrade that you put out there.
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And this kind of makes me wish that the the change where they
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were allowing for up to 18 to give you further upgrades into
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the path was there. Because that means that mythic
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track at the end of the week from your vault, you're going to
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have to spend the full full way upgrade.
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Whereas every track below that you have the ability to save on
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some of that upgrade. So it feels weirdly punitive to
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the top level of play of play. Top level of mythic plus because
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from raid if you are a mythic Raider, your gear will drop at
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those elevated tracks the further in the raid you are.
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So yeah. I have a question, Sean, if when
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you're rating and you unlock the different gear because it's
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based on the bosses that you've defeated it in a in A tier, the
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earlier, the earlier gear that does get raised to the level,
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right? Correct me wrong.
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So like. It does.
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Yeah, that's like a savings across the board from your
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selection. Yeah, more so so the gold
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savings I think it's I have I have I have feelings with the
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gold savings, but I have had a converse, a very good and deep
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conversation with a friend who feels the exact opposite that I
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do. So I will say that I think the
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gold amount is negligible for the upgrades.
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I think Blizzard hurt us with the trans mug stuff and said OK,
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we will make this cost less. I will talk about his point of
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view later on. But more importantly, the the
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biggest savings is in the Crest cost because Crest cost goes up
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now when you upgrade. So it's like 10 for the first
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track, 20 for the second track, 30 up to whatever.
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So it ramps up so that it's going to be harder to upgrade
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tracks into the further ones. So if you're clearing the raid
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sooner in mythic, you are having a massive Crest savings, which
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means you can Max that gear out sooner, which then gives you an
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advantage in Mythic Plus against somebody who's not clearing the
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raid on mythic faster because your gear is now a higher level
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than they can get at the same point because we're capped by
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crests. So the the Crest savings from
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the vault from from mythic grading is is massive.
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It is a massive, massive advantage.
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Sort of be goblin on Maine, but doesn't this push a lot of weird
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power into crafted gear 'cause if you crafted something high
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and then suddenly you don't need to pay for those crests that
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means. Crafted gear is significantly
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more valuable in Season 1 at midnight as of this recording.
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We don't actually have like official numbers from Blizzard,
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but everything that we've data mined and seen on the PTR as of
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this recording, crafted gear is a massive, massive Crest savings
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over levelling up the gear over over gear.
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Like raising your your gear through the the upgrade system.
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Understood. I will say as the resident
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brokey on this podcast, I also think this cost is negligible.
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I think it's stupid and annoying, especially since so
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many other things are costing more gold.
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And as again the resident brokey.
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Like I would rather not spend as much gold, but currently we're
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looking at almost like close to 4000 gold to upgrade everything
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to mythic. Assuming I'm assuming the
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Wowhead did their math right, I'm not doing it again.
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And you get that in world quests and stuff like that just kind of
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drops over time. You got that through like
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reading and selling things. It's not like I again, I'm not
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looking at these numbers like this is devastating.
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I think it's dumb. I think it is a dumb gold sync
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for no apparent reason and the fact that the number like either
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the numbers are negligible and don't matter, in which case why
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are we doing this? It's silly, it's negatable, it
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doesn't matter or the gold is high enough that it hurts, in
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which case this is stupid. Why are we making it hurt right?
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So like why, frankly, valor stones were nicer because I
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could I don't know, I don't think I don't really I think
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it's annoying, but I don't really like deeply care right.
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This isn't ruining midnight for me.
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I I hope they don't I Blizzard don't do it.
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It's dumb but like. I, I want to, I want to talk
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about two points that you raised there.
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One was that like it feels negligible as a gold sink.
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Negligible costs are amazing gold sinks.
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If you get 5 gold from like a million players, that's better
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than hitting 500 gold from 10 players.
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People will block at 500 gold to be like, whoa, I'm not going to
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like suddenly 3 digits crazy right?
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But 5 gold, 5 gold, 5 gold and you hit and you hit like a
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million players you've made you've taken way more gold out
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of the system in general. So it's it being negligible to
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both you and Sean, but not Sean's friend, right?
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That's I think that's a really good way of doing a gold, a gold
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sink. The second thing is, yeah, Lex
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is like when you're looking at this and you're thinking of
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World Quest, a world Quest today, gold's back in World
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Quest. That was a little bit of drama
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we missed where gold disappeared from World Quest and then they
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came back in. But gold's back in World Quest
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and you're getting something like 809 hundred gold on a World
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Quest. I think I've seen some in the
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before times that were that like we're over 1000, which means
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that like throughout a week, yeah, you could build up enough
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gold to like pay through half, if not most of the of this
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upgrade track in today's gold runs.
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Whereas I don't suspect that most people will take something
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from like one out of six to six out of six in a single week
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generally right, because they'll be capped on Crest and other
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resources. So I think that the gold isn't
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going to be the limiting factor here.
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This isn't them trying to suddenly push everybody towards
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getting a token to like pay for their their gold cost.
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This is as I think this feels less painful than repair costs.
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When like you've had a hard night wiping like this, this
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feels far, far more manageable and actually rewarding rather
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than punishing. I so I don't care and I actively
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try to only give my point of view on on the podcast.
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I don't like to speak for the community at large or especially
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player groups that I don't belong to or even people in my
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own player group. I tried to just say, hey, here's
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how this feels to me and that this is my feedback for how it
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affects Sean. But I do want to address because
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you guys are sort of in the same boat.
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You're like, OK, whatever. It's.
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Sure, Yeah, I'd love to hear what your friend was trying to.
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Say so for the record my friend. Also this is negligible for
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them. He plays as much as we play, if
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not more so. He said this will never affect
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me, but he said he doesn't ever want the situation to be where
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buying a token is the right way to play.
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And I I bought at that. And he said there are players,
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let me find it here. There are casual players who log
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in twice a week and now you're telling them they have to choose
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between upgrading their gear or saving gold for amount.
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He said it's negligible to us, but for the majority of players
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who aren't playing this game like a living, they're going to
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feel this. And I don't belong to that
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group. And I would also say, is that
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group really getting that much gear to upgrade?
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But I don't, I don't know, maybe, maybe they are.
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I want to push back on that, but I'm going to let Lex have her
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say first. Oh yeah, I was going to have my
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collectors don't raid moment and say I don't really think as
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somebody who tends to raid log a little bit, like I don't think
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people who are only logging in once a week and I don't think
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they're pushing the gear. I don't think they're going to
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be doing these upgrades a lot. And again, I say this as one of
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them, right? I do not upgrade my like I'm
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looking at these numbers and I'm like, yeah, OK, that's about
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what I would collect and it's worth.
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I don't know that we've read out the gold numbers if we did and
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I'm. Forgetting no, I just gave a
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ballpark because it's beta. They might change and stuff.
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But yeah, for current reference of what we're talking about, go
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ahead and read those out. So currently Adventure track
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it's 10 gold per upgrade, Veteran track it's 20 gold per
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upgrade, Champion track it's 30 gold per upgrade, Hero track
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it's 40 gold per upgrade, and Mythic is 50 gold per upgrade.
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I actually think that does kind of scale with how much you play,
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right? If you are really just like
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logging in to do like a Dell of a week for the walls of it and
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you're not pushing anything, you're going to make at least
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enough to upgrade through 10 gold.
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You know, 1020, maybe 30 gold. But frankly, again, I'm pretty
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grade loggy and I am not. I wouldn't be concerned if it
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was all the 50 gold. I'd still think it's dumb, but
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like I I really think that these are pretty on par with what you
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are going to make doing the content that would give you
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those upgrades or giving that that would give you that right.
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So I'm, I, I guess I'm also a little bit curious what you're
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trying to meant specifically by like, we don't want someone
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who's like has to choose between saving for a mount and like, I'm
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actually, I'm trying to think of what dude, there's always going
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to be competing desires. If you're like, if you're, if
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you're pushing and saving goals, that's an entirely different
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world if you're like trying to get something, but I don't
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think, I mean at that point it's the same thing as like, are you
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going to feel like you have to buy a craft so you can do your
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gear upgrade, right? I don't think Sean can like
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debate for his friends, right? Yeah.
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But like I would, I would caution anybody who is making a
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claim like that, that you are trying to invent a character
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that exactly is the is the perfect victim of the of such a
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system, right? Somebody who is looking to
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purchase a mount, but upgrading their gear who somehow was able
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to pay the hundreds and thousands of gold that we paid
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in the War Within to get gems, enchantments and so forth, like
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commissions on crafting gear, right, but it's somehow now
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balking at these numbers in the inflated goal that we're going
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to get in midnight is such a strange case to make to me that
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I like I want to call an illogical extreme.
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I I like it's creating the straw man almost.
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But again, like this is like, yes, this is a little bit more
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strained one way, right? And it can negatively impact
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some players that are like, I really just wanted to raid log.
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But those people who were just raid logging, were they getting
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enough valor to go straight through to the top?
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Or did they then need to log in and get more valor, which is
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now, hey, just go get gold and congratulations, you get gold in
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a myriad of different ways. I don't see this as a
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punishment. I just think this opens up
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different ways for people to do it.
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If they want to not leave town and instead sell stuff on the
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auction house that's now valid for of them.
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They don't have to go do the world quest.
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They don't need to be like, well, I got to go look through
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the world map and see what's available to get me this thing,
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right? Indestructible gear is now
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suddenly like that much more powerful for them because now
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they save on the repair cost and they go through this, right?
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I can ask, I can like easily transfer gold from 1 alt to the
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to the other. Now people don't need to
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complain that valor points are character locked for so long,
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right? Like there's so many ways that
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this is an improvement. I think people are so quick to
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find this special case where it's going to hurt somebody and
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it's like on the average, on the vast majority of the cases, I
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think this is a win. Yeah, me, me too.
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Yeah, I said, I dramatically said something about like, I
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wish we didn't. I would rather have Valor.
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That's not true. It is, as Manny pointed out, it
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actually is significantly easier to grind gold than Valor and.
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And you can just buy a token like you know.
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What I mean, that's, that's what we don't want to know what he
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wants. Nobody wants to hear that, but
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like tripper boost is going to hit and it's going to be a
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while. I got to upgrade all this shit.
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There. Are times.
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Token like almost like at least a few months ago and I've been
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riding that high. I still log in sometimes.
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I'm like I have over 300. Go.
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We just finished a pretty big series of sales, so I'm over
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2,000,000 for the first time ever.
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There you go, there you go. I I wanted to just take this
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moment to give a shout out to all the Ray leaders that ate way
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too many of those beans that like taste different ways and
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may have had like the needed to get their stomach pumped.
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We we, we give a cheer out to you, Brock and everyone who did
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that. Oh, the bean boozle.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But moving on from that, we've got another piece of power
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that's coming into the World of Warcraft.
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And this one I'm a little bit more upset about because it has
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been data mined that there is a quest where you and five people
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need to complete this quest in order to get augment runes or
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crests or a myriad of different things that you might want to
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improve your power and get through World of Warcraft.
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I know that doesn't sound like anything that I should be upset
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about, but the reason that I dislike this is because it is a
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quest that requires you to go to one of the players houses and
24:17
just be there while the house owner is there.
24:22
Player housing shouldn't be connected to power in my eyes,
24:26
not even in the slightest. This is very low hanging fruit
24:30
and it's so easy to do. It doesn't seem to say what the
24:35
duration is. It's probably something that
24:37
once all of you have zoned in and the game checks, which is
24:40
like I think every every second or so, it'll be like
24:44
congratulations, go turn this in.
24:46
It's incredibly easy to complete.
24:49
It is such a quick and easy way to get those augment runes
24:53
because we have had over the last couple of expansions, those
24:57
runes becoming a little bit harder to come by if you're not
25:01
a tank or healer that can like get them from the LFG system.
25:07
And so, hey, like I'll take advantage of this, but I don't
25:11
want it to exist. To be fair, Throwing this to you
25:16
first, Lex, what what do you think about this this quest I.
25:20
Think there's no world where they leave this weekly.
25:22
I think that is insane. I think this is going to be a
25:25
one time quest. I could be wrong, I'm wrong
25:26
about a lot of things, but I do agree.
25:29
Reading this Wowhead article I they're talking about how like
25:33
it's not that big of a bump because it doesn't give you
25:37
mythic Don crafts. I cannot.
25:39
Again, maybe it's just that I don't tank.
25:41
I can't imagine anyone knocking. That's huge, right?
25:44
Like those are so hard. At least I I had a really hard
25:47
time getting them. I don't know, maybe I'm bad at
25:49
this. Well, I'm OK.
25:51
You know what I did, you did forget to list all the different
25:54
things that you could get. So would you be able to list
25:56
those for us, Lex? Just so we we bring everybody up
25:58
to speed. Yes, so you're you can choose
26:01
either 20 hero Don crafts 40 champion Don crafts 60 veteran
26:07
Don crafts 500 void like moral. I'm not sure what that is.
26:12
I'm not sure if everyone else is or three void touched augment
26:15
rooms. And then you also get the base.
26:18
So you pick one of those and you get in the essence of lumber 500
26:23
more void light moral for 25 community coupons, which for
26:27
those of you who haven't been playing the in housing yet,
26:31
that's how you buy cute little things at the end of the
26:33
endeavors and like 34 gold. I again am famously not very
26:40
good at this game. 3 augment runes a week would be a huge
26:45
power upgrade for me. I wasn't getting those until I
26:48
was hitting the end of the rain track.
26:51
So unless they were going to be giving you void light augment
26:54
rune or void touch augment runes much more generously in in
26:59
midnight overall that in and of itself is a huge upgrade.
27:05
And I just I I don't think this will be weekly.
27:09
I I really see this as a one time thing that is going to be
27:13
fun. Like you know when you log in
27:15
you get your first 3 rooms and you all go hang out at someone's
27:18
house and then you're. Done OK I if it was a one time
27:25
thing I feel like every guide writer is going to say grab the
27:32
runes you'll get everything else.
27:34
You'll get everything else quicker.
27:35
Especially unless those press don't crown towards your weekly
27:40
cap or something. It like the which would be
27:42
utterly broken. But do you find it more
27:45
acceptable as a one time thing with those with those rewards?
27:51
Yeah, I'm not as concerned about it being like, like I think a
28:00
little bit of player power from housing like one time, this
28:04
isn't getting right. Like you can get all of these
28:06
things pretty easily, including the augment ruins that are
28:09
losing my mind about. I agree.
28:10
I think that they would be the number one choice regardless,
28:12
but especially if it's a one time thing.
28:15
But it's not that hard to get. It's hard if you're whiny like
28:18
me, but it's not that terrible to get Augment Ruins if you
28:20
really want to. So I don't think it's a huge
28:23
crazy boost. The one thing that I'm a little
28:27
bit icky on is that it does kind of reward having friends, right?
28:31
I'm sure, especially this weekly, that they'll be like
28:34
group finders that you can join. But I think power that goes to
28:42
having just people you can log in and hang out with, I would
28:47
argue is potentially a little bit worse than like player power
28:53
coming from housing because you built a really cool house.
28:56
But again, I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal.
28:58
I think it's going to be really easy to find a group if this is
29:00
the thing you need to find groups for, right?
29:02
Like it'll be in discords and they'll be group Finder things.
29:06
Oh, yeah, I'll set it. I'll do it myself.
29:07
I will like literally sit there with four friends and be like,
29:10
we'll rotate you through everybody, get you, get your
29:12
prize because I, I would hate for this to be gate kept.
29:17
But Sean, what are your thoughts on this?
29:22
I well, first of all, I don't think there's any shot this is
29:25
weekly. I'm pretty sure this is much
29:27
like the cracked keystone that you got at the end of delves was
29:30
a one time thing to push you into.
29:32
Hey, you like delves? Try mythic plus.
29:35
I think this is a hey, why don't you check out housing in case
29:39
you haven't, you know this, that's what this is.
29:42
This is a my suspicion is this is a one time quest.
29:45
I also think the augment runes are going to be soul bound, much
29:47
like the augment runes that we got from the quest for killing
29:50
the soul hunters were at which completely devalues them.
29:55
And the real big brain play is to take the purple enchanting
29:58
material on all of your alts and sell that on the auction house.
30:03
Take the augment runes on your main if they're soul bound, and
30:06
then take the enchanting mats on every alts that you have and
30:09
sell those on the auction hose. That's the play.
30:11
I don't, I mean, I understand they said we're not going to tie
30:14
power to player power to housing.
30:18
If if this is a one time quest, which is what I suspect it is
30:23
for, crests aren't moving the needle, 3 augment rooms aren't
30:28
moving the needle. This is fine.
30:29
If it's just as a goal post to say, hey, we have this new
30:33
feature called player housing. Maybe you haven't tried it out
30:36
yet. Go check it out.
30:38
I think that's fine. You want to direct people there.
30:41
This is our this is the the box feature of midnight player
30:45
housing. It's targeted at bringing
30:47
players back to the game, bringing in new players.
30:52
It just makes sense that you would have something pointing at
30:55
it. Yeah, I don't think there's any
30:58
shot it's weekly. But I got to be honest, even if
31:00
it is weekly, I still don't really care.
31:02
I understand everybody's concerns, but if it's weekly,
31:05
it's just free gold. If it just if it's weekly, just
31:07
go get your camping mats and sell them on the auction house
31:10
and pay for your upgrades that you were upset about earlier.
31:15
Yeah, I I think it's probably a one time quest that says, hey,
31:18
check this out, you know, check out player housing is what I
31:21
think. I also think we don't need to
31:23
raise our pitchforks until we know data mined stuff doesn't
31:26
always make it to live. Yeah, but I do hear.
31:31
If it is a weekly, that would also make it even more punishing
31:36
to not have friends, right, Because it'll be so like if if
31:41
it's like, for example, if it's weekly, what we're but I'm sure
31:43
my red Guild is going to do is every single Thursday when we
31:46
all log in, the first thing we all do is go to someone's house
31:49
for two seconds and then go jump in the right and everyone gets
31:52
their augment rooms and we use that for the night and we move
31:54
on. Or whatever you want to get from
31:56
your class that I'm sure will be harder if like if it is a
32:01
weekly, I my guess is it, it's going to get a little bit more
32:04
challenging to find things like group Finder or Discord groups,
32:07
especially if you aren't really in a lot of communities, you
32:09
don't really know how to lock into that.
32:11
And so you're going to just every week get a little
32:14
disadvantaged. I'm with Sean, though.
32:16
Like I said from the beginning, I really don't think they're
32:18
keeping. This quickly hi, I'm I'm
32:22
wondering if raid teams are going to be like Timbermont
32:25
Tavern. They're going to create the
32:27
group and then just invite the Raiders 1 by 1 into the house
32:30
and that's when they inspect them and be like, oh, go to the
32:32
doctor house, go get your gear set up.
32:36
But you know, for the nicer teams like I'm sure they'll do
32:39
they'll just do it as like a fun little thing.
32:41
But yeah, that'll be I don't like it.
32:43
I don't like when they like if you set something, you should
32:48
stay the hell away from it. And there should be no player
32:51
power attached to attached to this.
32:53
Really. I don't mind if it's like gold
32:57
and here is like some cool little decor like they'd be
33:04
doing Twitch drops like they've been doing all these
33:07
advertisements. That's how you get people Be
33:09
like, oh cool, what? How do I set this up?
33:11
Cool, let me go do the tutorial and throw my little plushy
33:15
plushy down. That to me is how you guide
33:18
people to do this. If you suddenly be like, hey,
33:21
hey, hey, hey, want to get some like epic gear or and attach
33:28
that to like doing the tutorial for housing.
33:31
I don't like it. I like it all.
33:33
Anyways, I'd love to hear what the FAST community thinks about
33:39
this. So Fazzers, join in at bit dot
33:41
LY slash FAST discord and let us know.
33:45
Still can't believe FAZZ Hands didn't win.
33:49
I'm happy fazzers, I'm happy, I'm happy for us.
33:52
But next year we're doing another vote and I'm just saying
33:55
I've been pumping the discord full of FAZZ Hand fans.
34:01
I will make 100. The voting will continue until
34:03
Sean wins. That's.
34:07
Right. All right.
34:09
With that said, I think this is a great opportunity to thank all
34:14
of our patrons. Sean, would you be willing to
34:19
give that little? Yeah, I don't have the thing
34:21
open. I'm going to do this.
34:22
Natty, from memory. Are you ready?
34:24
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So we're that. Let's talk about our last news
35:31
story. I'm going to pass this to you,
35:33
Sean, so you can get through it quickly.
35:34
I don't. Even have it in front of me.
35:36
I don't remember what the third story was.
35:38
Our third story. Is I don't know, it's the.
35:42
Customization, Customization. It's the customization, yeah.
35:46
So it was a big interview. And Blizzard said, hey, we hear
35:50
you. We're going to focus on doing
35:51
customization for new classes. And I got to tell you, I just
35:54
wanted to talk about this because I just wanted the chance
35:57
for FAZ dev to hear me say pleadingly, make up undead one
36:03
of the customization options, please.
36:05
I care about nothing else. Yeah, everybody has the
36:11
customizations that they have on their wish list.
36:13
There are a lot of things that seem like low lying fruit.
36:16
There are customizations that are on the night Elves or Blood
36:21
Elves that aren't on the Night Born or on the Void Elves and
36:26
vice versa. There are things that can be
36:29
done for macro orcs versus orcs and so forth just across
36:33
pollinate. Those are the low lying fruit.
36:35
But further from that, I think that there is a great thing to
36:39
do to add additional customization.
36:41
I would love if my like wizard or priest did not look like they
36:45
benched like my body weight every week I give.
36:50
Me, those thin colturans I want, you know, like the the scary
36:53
skinny colturans with a book, Ichabod Crane.
36:55
I want those. I think I think so too.
36:59
Like, I think there's a lot of things I would love if they had
37:02
like a just like the ability to select various animations so
37:07
that your character didn't move, like every character of your
37:10
race, slash, slash, like body type.
37:13
I think that there's different body types that they can throw
37:16
out there and all sorts of things that they can do that are
37:19
obviously far more labor intensive.
37:22
And therefore, I don't expect that this is something that they
37:25
should do all at once, But I would like them to switch away
37:29
from what they did in Warlords where they did a big update to
37:32
all the player models in. And instead do what they've been
37:39
doing more recently, which is adding new hair colors in this
37:44
batch. Because hey, we want to throw in
37:45
hair colors, adding in a new animation here because we're
37:49
doing this animation with like this enemy.
37:52
And I think that'd be cool for players to have that animation.
37:55
So we got lean, so we got stuff like that.
37:58
And if they can, I think forward where it's like, hey, we're not
38:02
going to just do this for like this one time thing, but we're
38:04
also going to throw this in with players.
38:06
I think they can like give us a more steady stream of these
38:10
things without having to like devote a ton of resources to it.
38:14
Because I know immediately there's going to be a question
38:17
of like, is this going to cost us a raid tear?
38:20
And I really don't want that. We're getting so many raids and
38:22
and such in midnight. And I love that switch.
38:26
I'm not asking you to stop that. I just if you're going to do
38:28
this and I want you to do this, just mix it into the in the
38:33
natural flow live team. Come at come at it right.
38:37
I don't I don't think we need we need to like radically change
38:44
things from what what they are right now.
38:48
But like you guys are putting out amazing mounts and amazing
38:54
cinematics and like some of the music in in these raids and in
39:01
these areas has been really amazing.
39:04
And so I think like you could similarly do the same thing with
39:09
player expression because like that's how we interact with this
39:11
world is through our characters. Yeah, I do think there's
39:15
actually a little bit of an argument for doing a really deep
39:19
push for character upgrades. In my head, I'm almost thinking
39:24
of this is like the same way that they've dedicated to an
39:27
absurd team, to housing spending a tier where they're like is an
39:31
art team that is just laser focused on character
39:33
customization. Partially because it does feel,
39:38
and I say this is a blood off player.
39:39
So I'm, I believe in one of the lucky classes.
39:44
It's not like the number of customizations per class or per
39:46
race are identical. And so it does kind of feel like
39:49
I worry that if it's just we're rolling things out as we think
39:52
of them, that the less thought of class of races, I really
39:58
cannot put my brain on straight today, the less thought of races
40:02
are. Just going to keep kind of
40:05
getting ignored and it's going to keep being like, oh, sick,
40:08
you know, be a really cool human customization.
40:11
Oh man, you know what? I'm really good on a night owl.
40:14
Like there's a risk that if you are not very careful and
40:18
thoughtful about how you are building customizations to make
40:21
it comfortable and equal to all of the races, that it becomes
40:26
like you just kind of accidentally keep piling the
40:28
popular one that most of your devs are probably playing just
40:31
by virtue of the fact they're most popular.
40:33
So you're getting those feedback on just by virtue of the fact
40:35
that they're most popular? Yeah, that's how old.
40:40
Sorry. Go ahead.
40:41
Oh yeah, it's also not like that.
40:44
Think of a deal. And they are talking about other
40:45
things they could do, like using glyphs and things like that.
40:48
So they could also hit this kind of creatively.
40:50
So they, for example, give different walk styles that you
40:54
can kind of do whatever your race is.
40:56
So it's less like, I'm just going to like, we have to go fix
40:59
the goblins, we have to go do the gnome.
41:03
And it's also not like housing in a sense of like you don't
41:05
need a huge team to work on it because it's more cute little
41:09
upgrades than not. We are going to build a whole
41:12
new system from scratch and make sure it works and give you a
41:14
bunch of stuff so that it's fun for the.
41:17
UK yeah. I mean like I I pointed to the
41:22
allied races because in my mind Volpeer don't move like Volpeer
41:27
they are just goblins with fur and that annoys the crap out of
41:30
me. But like, to your point and I, I
41:33
think this might be a quote from Sean.
41:36
I think, Sean, this is where where I got it from.
41:38
So, so correct me if I'm wrong, but like, humans don't need a
41:42
million different eyebrows because like.
41:47
That's not a quote from me. I love my eyebrows.
41:49
OK OK. Not my real ones.
41:50
I barely have any in real life, which is why I want so many in
41:53
the game. I only use one pair.
41:55
There's only one set I use, that's the ones that look like
41:58
they're drawn on really thick. So I actually, I guess we only
42:01
need one set of eyebrows. You're right, Manny, it wasn't
42:03
me who said that, but I agree with it.
42:04
OK, one set of eyebrows and beardless dwarfs.
42:08
And beardless dwarfs. And, you know, beards for
42:10
trolls, Beards for trolls. Yeah, give the dwarf beards to
42:14
the trolls I'm down for. That not a dwarf.
42:16
Beards are garbage. Give trolls their own beard.
42:19
Beards we don't. We don't beard judge here.
42:21
They're not garbage, they're just not for you.
42:24
I'm sorry, they're not for me and some of them may actually
42:28
have cans of garbage in them the way that they like put them
42:31
together. So I don't think I'm being here
42:35
regardless. Yeah, I would love to see a lot
42:39
more for different for different players.
42:44
One thing that I would want to prioritize is hairstyles and
42:52
different skin tones. We had that entire push where
42:56
they're like, hey, we're going to put in like different skin
42:58
tones for, for characters. And we got some black
43:03
representation and Black History Month.
43:05
So I will, I will flat out say that.
43:07
But like there are other people of color other than like black,
43:12
black and white. And I'd love to see some some of
43:16
that representation put in to like the races where it makes
43:20
sense, such as elves and humans and dwarves and gnomes, because
43:24
they're basically all humanoids of the of similar.
43:29
So I'd love to see it, would love to see those prioritized.
43:34
And yeah, like, get on it, please.
43:37
I would love that. Is there any particular
43:43
customization that you would like to see just like off the
43:47
top of your head? I'm going to first hand it to
43:51
Sean, actually. Sorry I put you guys on the
43:54
spot. I'll give mine and then I'll
43:56
I'll. I already gave it.
43:57
I can go. I can go first.
43:58
OK. Yeah.
43:59
Upright undead. All right, All right, Right.
44:02
It's the. So if you go to Zoltazar, the
44:04
only redeeming qualityable Zoltazar is that the forsaken
44:07
guards at stand inside of King Rasta Khan's temple are all
44:10
standing upright. And they look imposing.
44:13
They look confident. They're majestic.
44:15
They are majestic AF, as the kids would say they are.
44:19
Looks maxing. I learned that term this week
44:22
and I want that in the game. I would swap a lot of my
44:26
characters over to undead if I could just stand up straight.
44:29
Let me fix that posture. No, I don't want to be
44:31
shrimping. That's my pick.
44:33
I want that. Fazdev, please, I will do
44:35
anything. I will even stop saying
44:38
incendiary things that make Manny frustrated if you just
44:41
give me upright undead for legal reasons, I can't guarantee that
44:46
will. Happen yeah that that's a that's
44:47
a lie. Don't promise things that you
44:49
can't deliver. What are you a Blizzard dev?
44:52
So I want to say that in chat, Goblin graphics has said undead
44:58
need elf ear options like having like different races that can be
45:03
undead since we've gone past that, especially with the
45:05
trailer that came out today. Did I miss lore?
45:09
Have I said this every single time?
45:10
Did can Blvd. now change non humans?
45:14
Well, considering Death Knights are all races, yes.
45:17
Well don't, but as an old undead role player this is actually a
45:21
little bit sticky because the Arthus could raise non humans as
45:25
undead but Sylvanus couldn't. She was only able to raise
45:29
humans and so that's one of the arguments for why undead are all
45:33
humans is. I think even with Arthus he was
45:35
overwhelmingly raising humans. Well, the problem is that like
45:40
when Arthur's came on upon Silver Moon and it's and see
45:44
Silver Moon and they just did the entire short animation.
45:52
They have now confirmed right that the elves did get turned
45:59
into into undead, especially since Sylvanas also got turned
46:03
into undead so long ago. So like it's it's just it's such
46:06
a pigeonhole sort of thing of like a kind of just weird
46:09
justification where you should have.
46:11
And we've had dark dark Rangers, right, that Sylvanas made in
46:16
BFA. So I don't know what is being
46:21
like picked out. Like it was probably a thing
46:23
that those said at the time and then later on they just threw it
46:27
out the window. There's been multiple times
46:30
where we have seen other races, well particularly elves, become
46:36
undead. Right, that's fair.
46:37
OK, I took it back up. We should get elf ears.
46:40
We're undead. Yeah I would I would love a a
46:45
undead organ, just bone wolf. But they have way more lore to
46:52
say that they can't be. Undead.
46:56
No, no, no, that what I'm just like there's like like that's
46:58
what it's like. Oh, even though I would want to
47:00
at least I know that there's a solid Lord that says that that's
47:03
a no go. Like the curse protect protects
47:06
them from the from one death anyways.
47:10
So yeah, I think that that that would be a very cool thing to
47:13
see Goblin. But Lex, what about you?
47:16
So. This isn't what you wanted me to
47:18
say at all because I'm not answering the question
47:19
correctly, but I would like customization or just options
47:23
that make my pets interact practice anymore.
47:26
That is one thing in Final Fantasy Online that like the joy
47:29
that it brings me when I'm running around and I realize
47:32
I've had something on my shoulder.
47:33
I'm like that baby or like you would a pet one and actually
47:37
moves like yes, 100% that. There's that one that they did
47:41
on the like sale thingy that does climb on your shoulder.
47:46
I just think hunters would love that if like whenever you did an
47:49
emotion, your pet reacted to that same emotion.
47:52
So you're doing like slash chair and like your fox just runs
47:56
around you and does like it's a little an emotion and stuff.
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Hunters would love that. I don't even care if that's
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considered not answering the question.
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I think that's great for character customization.
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I think that's a big win there, Lex.
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I meant little pets but actually I like that one even more.
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I think that you're like hunter. Pets should 100% also be
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interacting with you. Or Warlock, you know, Warlock
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doesn't roar and your demon behind uses like it's just like
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look back at your MP, like come on, Steve, what's that?
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There's a lot of things that would just bring it in so that
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yeah, that would be cool. And then for me, just to give us
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our last one, I would say that that I would love for animations
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to sort of linger in your idol. They did this in Legion where
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depending on what weapon you had, you had different idol
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animation. So like you had like the water
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that was around you, if you were a resto shaman or little nature
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that would come up if you were a druid and so forth.
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Animations like that just to like lend to your, your
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character would be great as well.
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But even just changing voice lines so that again, I just, I
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don't like that if you are a mag car or male body type or body
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type 2 or 1, like you just have the exact same voice and exact
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same lines, different lines that you could select and be like,
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this is my voice in in there. And like, this one's a little
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more grouchy or this one's a little more playful, and that
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sort of stuff would be fantastic anyways.
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Go back to old Blizzard world where you just get the interns
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in and have them do a bunch of voice lines you like.
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Pick from these. Would be would be definitely
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against a lot of union stuff, but we'll leave that for a
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different episode. With that said, we are going to
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call this a short episode because people have loved ones
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to see or you know, chili to make if you're me.
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Either way, we're all going to feel warm inside.
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And so until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.