Latest / Talking Science / Entropy and the Arrow of Time — Why Yesterday Is Different From Tomorrow
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- 0:00You know, there is this this question that is
- 0:02just so obvious, so deeply baked into our everyday
- 0:05existence that we almost never bother to ask
- 0:07it. Right. And that question is simply this.
- 0:09Why does time only flow in one direction? It
- 0:12really is the ultimate unquestionable fact of
- 0:15reality, isn't it? I mean, you remember yesterday,
- 0:18but you have absolutely no memory of tomorrow.
- 0:20Exactly. Think about dropping like a delicate
- 0:22wine glass onto a hard tile floor. Oh, yeah.
- 0:25It shatters into a hundred pieces. And you could
- 0:29just sit there on the floor staring at those
- 0:31pieces and wait until the literal end of the
- 0:33universe. And you'll never see those shugs spontaneously
- 0:35leap back up and, you know, reassemble into a
- 0:38perfect unbroken glass in your hand. Right. Yeah.
- 0:41Time flows one way, past a future. It's a one
- 0:44-way street. It feels entirely intuitive to us
- 0:46as human beings living in this macroscopic world.
- 0:49But when you look at the source material we're
- 0:52diving into today, you realize this everyday
- 0:55experience completely masks a genuine mind -bending
- 1:00paradox. Which is incredibly counterintuitive
- 1:02when you first hear it. Right. Because almost
- 1:04all the fundamental laws of physics, like the
- 1:07mathematical rules governing how particles move
- 1:09and interact, they work perfectly well in either
- 1:12direction of time. Okay, give me an example.
- 1:14Well, if you film two billiard balls rolling
- 1:16across a table and colliding, and then you play
- 1:18that film backward for a physicist, the backward
- 1:22version obeys the exact same laws of motion as
- 1:25the forward version. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's absolutely
- 1:28nothing in the underlying physics of those particles
- 1:30or the atomic collisions taking place that says,
- 1:33hey, this is forward and this is backward. So
- 1:36if the underlying rulebook of the universe doesn't
- 1:39actually care about the direction of time, why
- 1:42doesn't reality work in reverse? That is the
- 1:45big question. Right. Where does that one -way
- 1:47arrow come from? That is our mission for today's
- 1:50deep dive. We are going to explain the arrow
- 1:52of time for you by unpacking one of the most
- 1:55profound yet heavily misunderstood ideas in all
- 1:58of science. Yeah, we are talking about entropy.
- 2:00Entropy. And entropy carries a lot of baggage
- 2:03as a word. People usually hear it and immediately
- 2:05associate it with like disorder or decay. Okay,
- 2:09let's unpack this. We really need to redefine
- 2:12entropy. stripping away all that scientific jargon
- 2:15and the common misconceptions. Right. Because
- 2:17they can really lead you astray. Because if you
- 2:19look at older textbooks, they often use this
- 2:21analogy of a teenager's messy bedroom to explain
- 2:25entropy. Right. The classic messy room. But that
- 2:28implies there is some invisible malevolent force
- 2:31out there actively tearing things apart or making
- 2:35a mess of the universe. Yeah. And the messy bedroom
- 2:37metaphor is highly misleading. I mean, it assumes
- 2:40a human value judgment on what messy even means.
- 2:44We really need a cleaner, more rigorous way to
- 2:46see it. Entropy isn't actually about messiness
- 2:48or decay at all. It's fundamentally about math.
- 2:52Just math. Specifically, it's a measure of probability.
- 2:54It is about counting how many microscopic ways
- 2:57you can arrange a system while keeping the same
- 2:59macroscopic appearance. Okay, so to make this
- 3:02concrete, our sources use a really brilliant
- 3:04analogy. Imagine a brand new deck of playing
- 3:07cards. A fresh deck. Yeah, when you first open
- 3:09the box, the deck is in perfect factory order.
- 3:12It's a ranged ace through king, grouped perfectly
- 3:15by suit. Beautifully organized. Right. And in
- 3:17the entire universe of mathematical possibilities,
- 3:20there's exactly one way for that deck to be in
- 3:22that specific pristine order. Just one single
- 3:26microscopic arrangement out of everything possible.
- 3:28But now take that deck and give it a thorough
- 3:31shuffle. Okay. How many possible arrangements
- 3:34can those 52 cards fall into? The number is staggering.
- 3:38It really is. It is roughly 80 unvigentillion.
- 3:41Which is a ridiculous word. It is. That is an
- 3:4480 followed by 67 zeros, a 68 -digit number of
- 3:48possible shuffled orders. What's fascinating
- 3:51here is the underlying mechanism. When you shuffle
- 3:53those cards, why does the deck become disordered?
- 3:56Right. Why? It's not because your hands are applying
- 3:58a magical destructive force to the paper. It
- 4:01becomes disordered purely because there is only
- 4:03one way to be perfect and a mind -bendingly huge
- 4:06number of ways to be mixed up. So it's just statistical
- 4:09probability. If you pull a random card order
- 4:11from that 68 digit number of possibilities, it's
- 4:14going to look to the human eye like a random
- 4:16meaningless jumble. Exactly. Mess is overwhelmingly
- 4:20more probable simply because there is vastly
- 4:23more of it to land on, like trying to roll a
- 4:26million dice and getting all sixes versus just,
- 4:28you know, a random mix of numbers. Yeah, that's
- 4:31a great way to think about it. And if you prefer
- 4:34a physics example, imagine a single drop of dense
- 4:37black ink gently squeezed into a glass of perfectly
- 4:41still water. Okay, I can picture that. Initially,
- 4:44all the ink molecules are clumped together in
- 4:46one tight little sphere right in the center of
- 4:49the water. That is a state of low entropy. Because
- 4:52there's only a few ways to organize them like
- 4:53that. Right. There are very few ways for the
- 4:55molecules to arrange themselves and still maintain
- 4:57that tight, perfect spherical shape. But the
- 4:59water molecules in the glass, they're constantly
- 5:01jittering and bouncing around, right? They bump
- 5:03into the ink molecules. Exactly. As they bump,
- 5:05the ink molecules drift. And over time, they
- 5:09spread out until the entire glass is just this
- 5:11uniform, pale gray. Yeah. Why doesn't the gray
- 5:15water ever spontaneously pull all the ink back
- 5:18into a single dark drop? Because the odds are
- 5:20just terrible. Yes, because there are trillions
- 5:22upon trillions of microscopic ways for the ink
- 5:25to be evenly spread out. and only a tiny handful
- 5:28of ways for it to be perfectly clumped together.
- 5:30So high entropy simply means there are vastly
- 5:33more ways to be like this. That's the perfect
- 5:35way to summarize it. The shuffled deck, the gray
- 5:38water, they have high entropy because there are
- 5:40so many microscopic paths to achieve that overall
- 5:43look. The sorted deck, the tight drop of ink,
- 5:46they have low entropy. It really is just a game
- 5:49of astronomical probabilities. Which brings us
- 5:51to one of the most bulletproof statements in
- 5:53all of science. The second law of thermodynamics.
- 5:56Okay, here we go. Now, I know thermodynamics
- 5:58can sound kind of intimidating, but the second
- 6:00law just formalizes the math we just discussed.
- 6:03It states that in any isolated system, meaning
- 6:06a system completely sealed off, where no energy
- 6:09or matter can enter or escape entropy, tends
- 6:11to increase over time. So things inevitably move
- 6:14from less probable ordered arrangements toward
- 6:18more probable disordered ones? Not because the
- 6:21universe actively wants to be chaotic. Right.
- 6:24Simply because the disordered states are so overwhelmingly
- 6:27more numerous that landing in one is a statistical
- 6:31certainty at the macroscopic level. Let's bring
- 6:33this down to earth with a perfect everyday example
- 6:36from our sources. Think about a cup of hot coffee
- 6:39sitting on a table in an ordinary room. Ah, a
- 6:42very relatable everyday scenario. Absolutely.
- 6:45When that coffee is freshly poured, you have
- 6:48a highly specific arrangement of energy. Because
- 6:50temperature is essentially just a measure of
- 6:52how fast atoms and molecules are moving. Right.
- 6:55So in your fresh cup of coffee, you have highly
- 6:57energetic, fast -moving molecules tightly concentrated
- 7:00inside the ceramic cup. Meanwhile, out in the
- 7:04rest of the room the air molecules are moving
- 7:06much slower. And in the language of thermodynamics,
- 7:09this is a highly ordered, unusual separation
- 7:11of energy. The fast stuff is all corralled in
- 7:14one tiny area, and the slow stuff is everywhere
- 7:16else. It's segregated. Exactly. This is a low
- 7:19entropy state, exactly like the drop of ink before
- 7:22it diffuses. But if you just leave that coffee
- 7:24alone, we all know what happens. The fast -moving
- 7:27molecules in the coffee are constantly bouncing
- 7:29around. They slam against the ceramic wall of
- 7:32the mug. Yeah, doing physical work. Right. That
- 7:35kinetic energy causes the ceramic molecules to
- 7:38vibrate faster. And they, in turn, slam into
- 7:42the slower air molecules hovering right next
- 7:44to the mug. So they are sharing their kinetic
- 7:46energy through billions of microscopic collisions
- 7:50every fraction of a second. Just bumping and
- 7:52bumping. Yeah. And as they share that energy,
- 7:55the fast molecules slow down and the slow molecules
- 7:57speed up. The heat diffuses until the coffee,
- 8:01the mug, and the room are all the exact same
- 8:03lukewarm temperature. The energy is spread out
- 8:06completely evenly. Hold on, I have to stop you
- 8:08there. Okay. Because we just established at the
- 8:10beginning of our deep dive that the fundamental
- 8:12laws of physics are reversible. So when a hot
- 8:15coffee molecule hits the mug wall and transfers
- 8:18its momentum, that specific individual collision
- 8:21works perfectly in reverse according to the equations
- 8:24of motion. The underlying mechanics of the collision
- 8:27are completely time symmetric. Yes. So... Why
- 8:30can't the reverse happen? I mean, if the equations
- 8:32don't have a time direction baked in, saying
- 8:35it's just probability feels almost like a cop
- 8:37-out. It feels wrong, I know. It really feels
- 8:39like we're missing a fundamental law. You were
- 8:41telling me there is no hard physical barrier
- 8:44preventing the lukewarm air in my office from
- 8:46spontaneously bumping into my mug in exactly
- 8:49the right sequence to reheat my coffee and leave
- 8:52the room freezing cold. It sounds totally absurd,
- 8:55but it's true. There is absolutely no underlying
- 8:58law of physics. that forbids the room's ambient
- 9:01energy from spontaneously concentrating back
- 9:04into your cup. The laws of motion completely
- 9:06allow for your coffee to reheat itself. But I
- 9:08have stared at a lot of cold cups of coffee in
- 9:10my life. Haven't we all. And not once has one
- 9:13spontaneously started boiling on my desk. And
- 9:16it never will. This is where probability at the
- 9:19scale of Avogadro's number, the sheer quantity
- 9:22of atoms in a cup of coffee becomes an ironclad
- 9:25law. Because the numbers are so big. Exactly.
- 9:28The number of ways for the energy to be spread
- 9:30out in the room is so unfathomably larger than
- 9:34the number of ways for it to be concentrated
- 9:35in the cup that the odds of the reverse happening
- 9:38are functionally zero. Wow. If you waited trillions
- 9:42of times the current age of the universe, you
- 9:44still wouldn't see it happen. The coffee cools
- 9:47for the exact same reason the deck becomes messy
- 9:50when you shuffle it. The math is very incredibly
- 9:53stacked against it that statistical drift becomes
- 9:56indistinguishable from a physical law. So what
- 9:59does this all mean for our big mystery? We started
- 10:01out trying to figure out why time only moves
- 10:03forward. Well, understanding that the cooling
- 10:05coffee is a one -way street of probability brings
- 10:08us right back to our original riddle. This statistical
- 10:11drift is what gives us the arrow of time. Okay,
- 10:13I see. The individual laws of physics, the microscopic
- 10:16billiard ball collisions, they don't distinguish
- 10:19past from future. But entropy does. The future
- 10:22is literally defined as the direction in which
- 10:25entropy is higher. Exactly. The future is the
- 10:27direction of more probable, more spread out arrangements
- 10:30of matter and energy. The past is defined as
- 10:33the direction of lower entropy, the more concentrated
- 10:36ordered states. The shattered glass on the floor,
- 10:39the diffused ink in the water, the lukewarm coffee
- 10:43on the desk, they define the direction of the
- 10:45future because they represent an increase in
- 10:47entropy. Okay, so we've established the physical
- 10:50environment, but if I can push a step further,
- 10:53how does this mathematical probability actually
- 10:56force my psychological reality to experience
- 10:59time moving forward? Like, why do I only remember
- 11:02yesterday? This raises a really important question,
- 11:05and it takes us right into the biology and physics
- 11:07of the human brain. Oh, interesting. Because
- 11:09the two are deeply intertwined. Forming a memory
- 11:12is not some abstract, ethereal concept. It is
- 11:15a physical process. To write information into
- 11:17your brain, your neurons have to change state.
- 11:19They have to pump ions across membranes, forge
- 11:22new synaptic connections, and literally alter
- 11:25their physical structure. It's like writing a
- 11:271 or a 0 onto a computer's hard drive. It requires
- 11:30physical work. Exactly that. There is this principle
- 11:33in physics known as Landauer's principle, which
- 11:36states that any mathematically irreversible operation
- 11:39like erasing a piece of information or locking
- 11:42a new memory state into place has a minimum thermodynamic
- 11:45cost. Meaning what exactly? It physically requires
- 11:48energy, and in doing so, it generates a tiny
- 11:51bit of heat. So to write a memory of this conversation
- 11:54into my physical neurons right now, my brain
- 11:57has to expend metabolic energy. My brain physically
- 12:00heats up by some microscopic fraction of a degree.
- 12:03Yeah, and your skull radiates that heat out into
- 12:06the surrounding room. By generating that heat
- 12:08and releasing it into the wider environment,
- 12:10you are actively increasing the overall entropy
- 12:13of the universe. That is wild. The very mechanism
- 12:16of recording the past fundamentally requires
- 12:19dumping heat into the future. So I physically
- 12:21cannot form a memory without contributing to
- 12:23the universe's drift toward disorder. The arrow
- 12:26of time we experience psychologically is just
- 12:28the arrow of entropy. Remembering, aging, the
- 12:32fact that a cause always proceeds in effect.
- 12:34Every single process that distinguishes before
- 12:36from after rides on the back of entropy climbing.
- 12:40Time, in a very real physical sense, points from
- 12:43order toward mess. Which is profound, but it
- 12:46naturally forces another massive question. If
- 12:49the universe is a one -way street constantly
- 12:51drifting toward higher entropy, that implies
- 12:53the past had much lower entropy. It does. So
- 12:56if you rewind the clock all the way back, why
- 12:59was the universe ordered to begin with? If we
- 13:01connect this to the bigger picture, it leads
- 13:03us to the very birth of the cosmos. Our universe
- 13:06began 13 .8 billion years ago in the Big Bang.
- 13:09And for reasons physicists are still actively
- 13:11debating today, The initial state of the Big
- 13:14Bang was incredibly dense, incredibly hot, and
- 13:17possessed an astonishingly low entropy. The universe
- 13:19started as the ultimate, pristine, factory -ordered
- 13:22deck of cards. Beautiful way to put it. And it
- 13:25has been shuffling itself ever since. All the
- 13:27complex phenomena we see today, galaxies forming,
- 13:30stars igniting, planets coalescing, they are
- 13:33just the universe unwinding from that highly
- 13:36concentrated initial state, slowly spreading
- 13:39its energy out across the extending void. But
- 13:42when you follow that arrow far enough into the
- 13:44future, it leads somewhere incredibly dark. Physicists
- 13:49in the 19th century were actually the first to
- 13:51grasp this implication, and it remains the ultimate
- 13:54logical endpoint of the second law. Because if
- 13:57entropy always increases, then everything in
- 14:00the cosmos is essentially running down. The hot
- 14:02stars are radiating their concentrated heat into
- 14:05the freezing vacuum of space. The massive differences
- 14:08in temperature that drive the cosmos are forever
- 14:10being smoothed away. If you wind that forward
- 14:13far enough, you reach a truly bleak endpoint,
- 14:16a universe where all the stars have burned out,
- 14:18all the black holes have evaporated, and all
- 14:19the energy is perfectly evenly spread out across
- 14:22a massive expanding void. Just a giant dark equilibrium.
- 14:26Yeah, where everything is the exact same temperature
- 14:28everywhere. In physics, this uniform, unchanging
- 14:32equilibrium was christened the heat death of
- 14:36the universe. Because when everything is the
- 14:38exact same temperature, absolutely nothing interesting
- 14:41can ever happen again. Right. You need a gradient.
- 14:43Exactly. To do work, to power an engine, to drive
- 14:46a chemical reaction or to sustain biological
- 14:48life, you need a gradient. You need a difference
- 14:51in temperature. You need a hot place and a cold
- 14:54place so energy can flow between them. Without
- 14:56differences, the universe is just a static, featureless
- 14:59soup. Time itself effectively loses its meaning
- 15:03because... Nothing changes from one moment to
- 15:05the next. It is the ultimate consequence of probability.
- 15:08It really is. The heat death is simply the most
- 15:10mathematically likely arrangement of a universe's
- 15:13worth of energy. But to put this into perspective,
- 15:17we are talking about time scales that defy human
- 15:19comprehension. Right. No need to panic yet. No,
- 15:22we're talking trillions upon trillions of years
- 15:24into the future. The current 13 .8 billion year
- 15:27age of the universe is not even a microscopic
- 15:29fraction of a percent of the time it will take
- 15:31to reach thermodynamic equilibrium. Okay, so
- 15:34the heat death is an unimaginably distant problem.
- 15:37But here's where it gets really interesting,
- 15:40because looking at the world around me right
- 15:42now, I find myself wanting to mount a massive,
- 15:45hopeful counter -argument to this whole concept
- 15:48of relentless decay. Oh, let me guess. You're
- 15:51thinking about biology. Yes. Look at you and
- 15:53me. Look at the listener going about their day.
- 15:56If the universe is constantly breaking down into
- 15:59a featureless, chaotic soup, how do we explain
- 16:02the complex, highly ordered existence of life?
- 16:05A living organism is exquisitely ordered. It
- 16:08is arguably the most complex, low -entropy, localized
- 16:11structure we know of in the entire universe.
- 16:14We build complex, highly structured biological
- 16:16bodies out of simple inputs. Like, think about
- 16:19a towering redwood tree. Okay. It starts as a
- 16:21tiny seed. And it builds a massive, structurally
- 16:24perfect, living wooden tower using nothing but
- 16:27thin air, liquid water, and some photons from
- 16:29the sun. That's incredible. It is taking chaos
- 16:32and turning it into structure. Aren't living
- 16:34things actively decreasing entropy? Aren't we
- 16:36walking, talking defiances of the second law
- 16:39of thermodynamics? It is a wonderful observation,
- 16:42and it's the ultimate intuitive pushback against
- 16:45the bleakness of entropy. But the answer is deeply
- 16:48illuminating. Okay, get me. To understand it,
- 16:51we have to look closely at the fine print of
- 16:53the rules. Remember the crucial caveat I mentioned
- 16:57when I first defined the second law? You said
- 16:59it applies to an isolated system, a sealed box
- 17:02where nothing gets in or out. Yes. Yeah. And
- 17:04a living thing is the exact opposite of an isolated
- 17:07system. You are an open system. You interact
- 17:10vigorously with your environment. I am constantly
- 17:13taking things in and pushing things out. Exactly.
- 17:15You maintain your beautiful, highly ordered internal
- 17:18state. Only by constantly absorbing incredibly
- 17:21low entropy energy from the outside, you eat
- 17:25complex carbohydrates and proteins. Right. The
- 17:27redwood tree absorbs highly concentrated, low
- 17:29entropy sunlight. This is premium structured
- 17:32fuel. And what do we do with that premium fuel?
- 17:34Your cellular machinery extracts the energy it
- 17:36needs to maintain your internal structure, repair
- 17:39your DNA, pump your blood. But the thermodynamic
- 17:42cost of doing all that work is high. Once you've
- 17:45extracted the useful energy, you dump massive
- 17:47amounts of higher entropy waste back into your
- 17:50environment. We exhale carbon dioxide, we produce
- 17:52physical waste, and most importantly, we radiate
- 17:55body heat. And that heat you radiate is dissipated,
- 17:58disorganized energy. You are an island of complex
- 18:01order, yes. But you essentially purchase that
- 18:04internal order by acting as an engine of chaos.
- 18:07You increase the entropy of your surroundings
- 18:09far more than you decrease it within your own
- 18:11skin. So life doesn't violate the second law
- 18:13of thermodynamics. We are spectacular local exceptions
- 18:17funded by a cosmic credit card. That's a great
- 18:19analogy. When you add up the whole ledger you
- 18:21plus your surrounding environment, the total
- 18:23entropy of the system still goes up, exactly
- 18:26as the mathematical probability demands. Life
- 18:29is actually a spectacularly efficient machine
- 18:31for obeying the second law. We consume concentrated
- 18:34energy and rapidly convert it into dispersed
- 18:37heat. And the ultimate source funding all of
- 18:40this local order on Earth, the bank issuing that
- 18:42cosmic credit card, is the sun. The sun is a
- 18:45massive ball of low entropy energy. It pours
- 18:49incredibly concentrated visible light out into
- 18:52the solar system. Life on Earth intercepts a
- 18:55tiny fraction of that pristine flow. uses it
- 18:58to build forests and ecosystems and civilizations,
- 19:00and then the Earth eventually radiates all that
- 19:02energy back out into deep space as diffuse, high
- 19:06entropy infrared heat. The universe's books always
- 19:09balance in entropy's favor. Always. We are just
- 19:11spectacular little biological machines surfing
- 19:14this massive cosmic wave of energy dispersal.
- 19:16Yeah. Let's gather up all these threads for you,
- 19:19the listener, because this has been quite the
- 19:20journey today. It really has. We started with
- 19:23the mundane mystery of time flowing in one direction,
- 19:25and we found our answer by fundamentally reframing
- 19:28entropy. Entropy is not some invisible, destructive
- 19:31force of decay. It is simply math. Just math
- 19:35and probability. Right. It is the inescapable
- 19:37statistical probability that there are vastly
- 19:39more ways for a system to be mixed up and spread
- 19:41out than there are for it to be highly concentrated
- 19:44and arranged. And that statistical drift is so
- 19:47incredibly reliable, backed by numbers so unfathomably
- 19:51large, that it governs the physical universe
- 19:54as an ironclad law. Out of that mathematical
- 19:57near certainty. comes the direction of time itself.
- 20:00It is the reason the past is fixed and the future
- 20:03is open. It's the reason the dropped wine glass
- 20:06shatters instead of mending, the reason the ink
- 20:09spreads in the water, and the reason we all get
- 20:11a little bit older, not younger, with every passing
- 20:14day. I think the most beautiful takeaway from
- 20:17this deep dive is how it changes your perspective
- 20:19on the mundane world around you. The next time
- 20:22you are sitting at your desk and you watch your
- 20:24coffee go cold, you aren't just watching a hot
- 20:26drink equalize with the room temperature. Right.
- 20:28It's so much bigger than that. You are witnessing
- 20:30the exact same cosmic principle that points the
- 20:33entire universe from its ordered Big Bang past
- 20:35toward its mixed up dispersed future. You are
- 20:39watching the arrow of time, one lukewarm cup
- 20:41at a time. But I want to leave you with one final,
- 20:44slightly provocative thought to mull over, building
- 20:47on what we've unpacked today about human memory
- 20:49and heat. We learned that our brain's physical
- 20:52ability to record the past relies entirely on
- 20:55expelling heat and increasing the universe's
- 20:57disorder. Right. Landauer's principle. Exactly.
- 21:00So does that mean our deeply felt conscious experience
- 21:03of time passing isn't actually a fundamental
- 21:06feature of reality? Is it just an artifact of
- 21:09our biological hard drives surfing on a wave
- 21:11of increasing messiness? That is a deep thought.
- 21:14Because if a being existed outside of this...
- 21:17Thermodynamic drift -like, a theoretical entity
- 21:20whose consciousness wasn't dependent on chemical
- 21:22reactions and entropy generation, how would they
- 21:25experience existence? Could they experience all
- 21:28of time at once? past, present, and future laid
- 21:30out simultaneously like a vast, static landscape
- 21:33rather than a one -way street. It's a concept
- 21:36that completely bends the mind, and it is exactly
- 21:38why we love doing these deep dives. Remember
- 21:40to keep questioning the obvious things around
- 21:42you. The falling glass, the ticking clock, the
- 21:45cooling coffee. There's a lot of magic in the
- 21:47ordinary. Sometimes the most mundane things hold
- 21:49the keys to the most profound cosmic secrets.
- 21:53Thanks for joining us on this deep dive, and
- 21:55we'll catch you next time.